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Quick, show of hands - who participated in the last Touhou Seimoe?
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Quick, another show of hands - who was even aware Touhou Seimoe was a thing?
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Making its first appearance since the fall of 2007 (man, I feed old), Touhou Seimoe has returned!
Okay. What the hell is Seimoe and why do I care?
Touhou Seimoe is the Western Touhou-exclusive equivalent of Saimoe, the annual anime character popularity contest held on 2ch. It is a scientifically-sound* way to definitively* determine the best* Touhou character through a series of rigorous trials that span a couple of months.
*not really
So how does this work?
It's a 128-character single elimination tournament. Each match lasts a day, and is decided by YOU, the Touhou fan! For each match, you can go to this year's official Touhou Seimoe website and vote, just like in Saimoe! (Except Seimoe doesn't ban non-Japanese IPs, because it would be silly to ban Western IPs from a Western popularity contest.)
A chance for my clearly-superior opinions on which Touhou characters are better to be given their proper spotlight! Intriguing. Where is this "official web sight?"
I'm glad you asked! You can find the main site here (http://seimoe.lunar-tokyo.net/), which will have links to where you can get your vote code, the tournament progress so far, and where you can actually cast your vote. Right now, the tournament is still undergoing some final testing (mostly related to checking anti-votespam detectors), so it's not quite prepared yet, but you can at least see the testing in action.
Hold up, I have to wait an hour for my vote code? What the hell is this? Nobody makes Glenn Unger wait for his ballot!
That is one of the many anti-votespam measures in place. It's no big deal - you can request your code, go off and do something else, and when you come back later in the day you'll be all set!
All right, all right. So now all I have to do is gather some friends and have a large block of us vote strategically to make sure Remilia and Flandre have easy paths to the finals...
Not so fast, Kaiba! Unlike Saimoe, which waits until the quarterfinals to reshuffle, the bracket will reshuffle at the end of EVERY round. You never know which round winners will square off against each other next! No strategic voting to be had here!
Can the Japanese cast votes?
If they find the tournament and decide it worth their while, then more power to them! We've had Japanese participation in the past, and we've never had a problem with it, just as they don't have a problem with Westerners voting in their yearly survey. Surprisingly enough, in our experience, they do take some interest in seeing which characters the Western fanbase prefers!
Can I vote for yukkuris?
Get out.
So when will this be live?
Whenever Suzuran decides it's ready. (Su-sans are preparing...) He's hoping to have it ready in the next week or so, but don't take that as set in stone. Whenever the tournament starts, however, we'll be sure to provide some notice. The posted start time is now Wedneday, November 16th at 9 AM Suzuran time!
That's it from us for the time being! If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask. Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy Touhou Seimoe 2011!
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Crosses fingers that Reimu doesn't win.
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Koishi will win.
Gpop said so
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Can I vote for yukkuris?
Get out.
You will be hearing from my lawyer.
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It's like Touhou Sort, except Westernly/English or non-Japanese community/globally ranked or something...is how I see it xD.
Regardless of me not being a fan of such character tournaments & stuff, congrats for even announcing its near-completion! =w=
Can we participate in its testing, too, at least? :3
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Yes, participation in the testing is encouraged.
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Can I vote for yukkuris?
Get out.
deibu4lyf g go qq
It would be interesting to see a Myouren vs. Toyosatomimi pair with very close votes.
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Crosses fingers that Reimu doesn't win.
I expect she will.
The reason Reimu and Marisa always come up at the top is that they have the most exposure. Although not many people have Reimu as their favorite character, a lot of people do have her somewhere in their top 20 or so, so when Reimu comes up against more niche characters they feel "meh" about, they'll just go with Reimu.
I've got no problem with that, she's a fine representative for Touhou as a whole, being its main character and all :V
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Do please note this is a MOE contest, not a POPULARITY contest.
You're supposed to be voting for the most moe.
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Do please note this is a MOE contest, not a POPULARITY contest.
You're supposed to be voting for the most moe.
Moe characteristics
See also: neoteny
large eyes (1/5 size of face)
small nose
flat face
tall iris
body 5.7 heads tall
thin limbs
large head
colorful hair
bangs over eyes
neotenized face
anime antenna hair called ahoge (アホ毛?)
???
What is moe?
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Honestly, nobody is really sure.
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Koishi is the definition of moe
Anyone who says otherwise will be Koi'd
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Moe cannot be explained. It can only be experienced.
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[13:40] * +Tamano_no_dorMae MOE! http://tinyurl.com/3fwc8st
This is the true definition of moe.
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Do please note this is a MOE contest, not a POPULARITY contest.
You're supposed to be voting for the most moe.
Ah o_o. Thanks for clearing that up! (and sorry for not looking up beforehand >_<;;)
Going by the context going on here, Reimu isn't going to win then xD...methinks... (don't hurt me :ohdear:)
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I am a Tsundere MOE, but i dont like Alice at all.
Can anyone name some fandom tsundere in Touhou?
Note: I like Eiki, she so damn cute, yet she is a Hell Judge xDxDxD
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Unless any new issues are discovered that cannot be solved, I plan to start the real contest THIS WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, at 9 AM EST.
I will stop the test and reshuffle the bracket somewhere around 7 AM that morning. Please continue to participate in the test.
Please inform any other forums or boards about this, the more voters we have, the better the results.
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Thread updated to reflect as such.
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Moemiji for #1!
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Moemiji for #1!
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Seimoe Again Hooray!
It's going to take place in a few hours?
I can't wait （＞ワ＜）
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Final bracket is set, system armed to start at 9 EST.
Here we go!
Edit: And we're off!
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No, Dusty old maid full of green dust is gonna win the first match. :(
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I apologize for the bracket, the Random Number Goddess was downright EVIL this time.
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Oh man the tally board now has links to character wiki pages. Living in the fast lane now. 8)
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The Giant Catfish is going to win. :I
*in my bones*
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Oh man the tally board now has links to character wiki pages. Living in the fast lane now. 8)
And GRAPHS!
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The green bar that shows after someone wins might have to be a bit lighter as I can't really read who the winner of each round is.
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Yeah, it needs to be another color.
Does this work?
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Of course it does. Pink is moe.
I really wish more people would post comments while voting, this is kinda boring as-is.
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Of course it does. Pink is moe.
I really wish more people would post comments while voting, this is kinda boring as-is.
You mean here in this thread or on the voting board itself?
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Either, really.
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I voted for the SDM Fairy Maid yesterday. Sakuya is too cool to be moe, Wriggle is a boy so he doesn't count and Maribel doesn't really have much going for her unless you think stumbling into other worlds is clumsiness. The fairy maids are at least incompetent to the point that their presence really doesn't change a thing.
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Bracket 21 is gonna be a tough choice for me...Lyrica's snarky imouto moe, Marisa's hard-working main character moe, or Momiji's fluffy loyalty moe...
Sara? Who's that? :p
Also, Tenshi is the anti-moe, *why is she close to leading*
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I don't really get why we put things like SDM Fairy Maid or incredible minor pop ups on the voting block.
Whats next the random Kappas in Wild and Horned? Heck I'm sure the fan characters will get more votes than the random canons.
Anyways enough of me blubberin'
I didn't expect Mystia to get more votes then Tenshi.
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The reason for the oddballs is to make the bracket square.
I can't have an odd number of results at any round.
It also simplifies the software if each match in a round has the same number of contestants.
3*32 = 96, and there are more than 96 canon touhou characters now.
4*32 = 128, and there are less than 128 canon touhou characters. So I had to find extras to square the bracket.
The bracket was posted for two weeks before the contest, and linked in three places. Nobody said a word.
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Guessing that flying cycloptic tanks, mystical gemstone quintuplets, and hungry hungry trees don't have that much of an effect on people.
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Yeah, I deliberately dropped some people who I thought had no moe potential, or were inanimate objects.
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Nooooo Futo!
What's so moe about Aya anyway :ohdear:
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Not much shes just more iconic compared to the newer touhous.
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Holy shit, Shizuha's actually winning o.O She shall avenge her sister with her moe head crabs :V
Also, just throwing this (http://www.nekohentai.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/999.jpg) out there as an alternate definition of moe.
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I originally intended to vote for Shizuha...but then there was a little bird who needed a hug.
I'm surprised (and glad) the Yuugi fans haven't been putting in for her though.
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Shizuha won~!
Hooray~!
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I can't believe Medicine isn't getting many votes. Oh well, better chance for us Kogasa fans.
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Alas, poor Tokiko! And Medicine too! :( I knew this would happen with her being paired with Kogasa, but I didn't think it would be this bad. Hang in there Medicine, for the Doll Liberation Front!
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Well, I voted for Kogasa :P
I was surprised :V to see that Medicine and Toyohime got so few votes though.
Next match will be difficult to decide, too...
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Kogasa is really winning...
i expect kogasa and medicine would be close to each other...
quite a surprise...
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Not a surprise at all. Kogasa IS absurdly moe. In fact, I'd go so far as to say she's going to the final four.
Next match will be difficult to decide, too...
Kyouko vs. Patchy...yeah, not an easy pick here either. I'm not big on Nazrin but I know she's got good support too...
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Suwako's hat's moe is so advanced, only true moe afficionados recognize it as top class.
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Lots of people care about Kogasa. No one but Suzuran cares about Medicine. :V
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*looks down the list
Alice Margatroid vs. Alice Margatroid (PC-98)
Clearly the strongest matchup.
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Lots of people care about Kogasa. No one but Suzuran cares about Medicine. :V
And yet I was still able to resist the temptation to rig things in her favor ^_^
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Glad Mystia won. She's kinda cute in general, but after I first found Night Sparrow Love, I also found a flurry of fanart that supported the cute kid angle real well. Match 3 was a mess, while match 4 sorta proceeded as how I thought it would.
Nooooo Futo!
What's so moe about Aya anyway :ohdear:
My thoughts exactly. I'll be voting for the characters who I think are the most moe, but I've already been in a discussion about the number of people who will vote for their favorite character or the most popular one in general instead of which one is the most moe. I know there's going to be a few who will stand a significant chance of getting very far in the brackets even if both their canon and fanon interpretations are far more geared toward making sure you wish you never met them instead of endearing and cute characteristics. Case and point, as much as I love characters like Byakuren, I can't consider her as moe as the twin-braided cat girl with an idiosyncratic speech pattern.
That's actually a pretty tough match today. Voting for Kyouko despite my impression that she doesn't stand much of a chance.
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Even though Patchouli is my favorite character, I think I will still vote for Kyouko because she's just MORE moe, IMO.
Nazrin is not so moe alone, but together with Shou... :3
*waits for the vote code*
Glad Mystia won. She's kinda cute in general, but after I first found Night Sparrow Love, I also found a flurry of fanart that supported the cute kid angle real well.
Mystia's art in IN was also very cute, unlike some of the other ones :3
Edit: Wow, Patchy is leading. I thought Kyouko would have more votes...
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Said_it_before,_will_say_it_again:_anyone_that_says_Aya_is_not_moe_has_not_read_Rinnosuke_Manga.
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I'm worried about the Koishi Match-up because she's in the same bracket as Suwako :ohdear:
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Lots of people care about Kogasa. No one but Suzuran cares about Medicine. :V
Hey I voted for Medicine! :( Oh well, this time it's all about Patchy. If she isn't moe I don't know what is.
"Today I'm in good health," *smiles* "I'll show you my special magic!"
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[23:51:13] <Tamano_no_dorMae> Kyouko is moemoe
[23:51:17] <Tamano_no_dorMae> Renko has awesome hat
[23:51:22] <Tamano_no_dorMae> Nazrin since she's Nazrin
[23:51:31] <Tamano_no_dorMae> and patchouloli has dick moe I guess
:V
Kyouko is a far more deserving winner of this match by far.
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Oh screw you Pesco.
[08:49] <Tamano_no_dorMae> sick moe
[08:49] <Tamano_no_dorMae> SICK MOE
[08:49] <Tamano_no_dorMae> OGOD
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Oh_hey,_I_think_I've_seen_that_doujin.
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Well I just did my part to help propel Kyuuuuute-ko to victory
:salute:
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why is Patchi winning ???
do not understand :fail:
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Anemia
So moe~
Or more closer to the reality Mercury poisoning! Hooray!
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I voted for Kyouko, but Patchouli is fine, too. ;)
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Patches won? Well I sorta saw it coming, though I'm glad Kyouko got what love she did.
Go go fairy princess moe!
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Poor Iku, forever incredibly underappreciated. Hopefully she can at least beat out the raccoon.
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But...but...
That tail.
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/tar60853_1.gif)
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http://i44.tinypic.com/2vmuakj.gif
Iku is far too much olev, sorry.
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Iku is one of my favorites, but she isn't very moe. She is too cool to be moe.
Mamizou might be a better vote.
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Go follow ptkan and giselebon and tell me Iku isn't moe.
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not canon
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She's moe, and it's a moe contest.
That's why it's SeiMOE and not SeiRELEVANCE or SeiPOPULARITY
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If Chen ends up beating Reimu then we'll know for sure.
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I doubt Yuugi would have lost to Shizuha if voters weren't taking moe into consideration. Then again, maybe Yuugi fans just aren't the kind of people to participate in this kind of thing.
(But if Chen beats Reimu I'll eat my hat)
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I would have voted for Yuugi but voting from phone = lolno
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On the other hand Kyouko's support *completely vanished* after the first half of the match. Meanwhile, everyone piled on Patchouli and, surprisingly, Renko. Not that I can't see the moe in Renko, but...the group had Patchy and Kyouko for crap's sake!
(ps reimu got a moe-ectomy along with the shrine renovations let's go cheeeeeen)
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The only one from the results I'm kinda confused about is the "Sakuya" moe factor.
I never EVER saw anything moe from her. Maybe elegance and perfectionism and maybe even a motherly figure, but I doubt anyone ever saw her as "moe". It just ain't her.
inb4sakuyapopularitycontest :V
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Hey, do you guys think I should postpone a day during Thanksgiving?
Is anyone going to have trouble voting?
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What is this Thanksgiving that you speak of? :V
No skipped days. It's an international event after all.
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Thanksgiving? Didn't that happen last month? :V
I don't think it would matter, it's only in the US anyways (for the most part)
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If there was an objective way to quantify moe, I imagine we wouldn't need to hold a survey tournament for it. <_<
EDIT: For Sakuya in particklars, she has canon airhead and fanon InuSakuya, so there you go.
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/2883.png)
Dat hour wait. Come on Chen needs to win.
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The only one from the results I'm kinda confused about is the "Sakuya" moe factor.
You're saying that somehow maids aren't inherently moe? I... don't understand.
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The only one from the results I'm kinda confused about is the "Sakuya" moe factor.
I never EVER saw anything moe from her. Maybe elegance and perfectionism and maybe even a motherly figure, but I doubt anyone ever saw her as "moe". It just ain't her.
inb4sakuyapopularitycontest :V
Well, a big factor is who she was up against. It's not like Maribel is bursting with moe, I've never seen her say anything interesting, much less endearing, in canon.
But Sakuya isn't devoid of moe, especially with her character development as of PoFV. Being the only one that actually heeded Eiki's lecture advice, she decided to stop being so cold and try to show some warmth to others. She isn't the same icy stabby maid she was in PCB anymore.
Also, as I mentioned in the vote thread, I think having the amount of devotion and diligence that Sakuya has is pretty moe. (Momiji will get my vote for that same reason.)
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I'm glad Star won. I really thought she deserved it most of that group.
not canon
I have to agree to a certain extent, but if the fandom is all over how cute a character can be, I'll probably stick to that one. Just look at Alice. Also, a milligram of moe won't put a dent in the 100 kilograms of scrappy/squick attributes I see in a small percentile of the characters (though Iku isn't one of the 3-4 that I'm thinking of). Might be that way with many others, too.The only one from the results I'm kinda confused about is the "Sakuya" moe factor.
Dojikko factor, too. This is a girl who opened up a window to let a little air in while IN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE.
Chen - 25, Reimu - 3
Hokay, I think at the end of the day I (we?) might stand corrected. Here's hoping that this will be more than just a popularity contest.
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I'd prefer to go by canon because otherwise there's a lot of different interpretations a person could go by.
Case in point, relevant to today: CHEEEEEEEN is pretty much a complete fabrication. The real Chen is uppity, bossy, and aggressive, more like a rambunctious teenager than a child. I'll be picking the lazy shrine maiden over her, regardless of how futile it might be :V
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there's a lot of different interpretations a person could go by
I always figured that was the point. >_>
Hell, the core term the entire tournament is based around has is nebulous at best. There are a wad of different ways to consider someone "moe".
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Yes, but we must be objectively subjective when we cast our votes!
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Wow, I don't want to eat my jester hat! But I am surprised.
I'd prefer to go by canon because otherwise there's a lot of different interpretations a person could go by.
Case in point, relevant to today: CHEEEEEEEN is pretty much a complete fabrication. The real Chen is uppity, bossy, and aggressive, more like a rambunctious teenager than a child.
And this Is why I'm voting for Kotohime. (Her bomb is a close-up of her face! And somehow that destroys things?) Maybe she can actually beat Reimu, though Chen is clearly out of the question.
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Holy shit, Reimu's getting walloped.
Chen's on pace to ruin the standard Kogasa set. I didn't even think that was possible, let alone possible against the one that wins the Japanese popularity contest every year.
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I don't know about you...
But I LOVE this! Take that, you useless miko; I'm going to enjoy this moment~ <3
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CHEEEEEEEN is pretty much a complete fabrication. The real Chen is uppity, bossy, and aggressive, more like a rambunctious teenager than a child.
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uppity, bossy, and aggressive, more like a rambunctious teenager than a child
moe!
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You're saying that somehow maids aren't inherently moe? I... don't understand.
Depending on the type of maids. There are the relaxed, elegant kind of maids that aren't moe, but more "beautiful". This is where Sakuya fits in in my books.
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Reimu isn't moe, Chen isn't moe.
Kotohime is TOTALLY moe. She only wanted to lock Reimu up just to see what it was like. And she kept her in there until she got tired of it.
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Idk being defeated simply by having water tossed on you is kinda moe.
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So sad, Reimu is losing. Not enough people watch Neko Miko Reimu or something.
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So sad, Reimu is losing.
this is a popularity contest not a moe contest
Too many people watch Neko Miko Reimu or something.
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VOTE FOR THIS (http://i43.tinypic.com/xaz813.jpg)
JUST LOOK AT THAT :3
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I agree. Lettys fat.
Vote string butt!
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Mint is gonna kill me if I don't vote for Letty.
Ah well, I don't care.
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(x)Yamame Kurodani
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Hard choice between Momizi and Koa... I'll give my vote to Koa.
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Might have well just said Sunny wins and moved on with this match up.
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Might have well just said Sunny wins and moved on with this match up.
Pretty much. I'm torn over who to vote for tomorrow though.
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Another day; Another match. Udongein must be beaten.
:Fieryeyes:
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Oh HELL no.
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Oh HELL no.
This. Udongein, GO!
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I contend that Reisen would be winning right now if there were actually a thread in which to vote and therefore she should be given the match by default.
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This is sad... Dai needs more love than that only-good-for-her-sex-appeal-bunny...
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What's a Reisen? :3
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Well at least we have a more interesting bracket this time.
I wasn't expecting Keine to even take the lead. I don't find her very "moe" rather motherly.
Might just be people voting in order to make Reisen lose and for that I thank you.
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This is interesting. Normally I'd vote for Daiyousei, as I find her to be the most moe. But If I vote for Keine, my vote may actually make a difference! Not sure if that's the responsible way to vote though.
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This is interesting. Normally I'd vote for Daiyousei, as I find her to be the most moe. But If I vote for Keine, my vote may actually make a difference! Not sure if that's the responsible way to vote though.
Responsible enough.
Besides,
http://piketh.deviantart.com/art/Ex-Keine-gif-142356221?q=boost%3Apopular+EX+Keine&qo=2
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how come when I try to vote, it says "ACCESS DENIED: Botnet Node"?
I need to vote for Keine, just a bit more, and she might win,.....
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Well now I feel terrible for actually voting for Dai. Now that useless rabbit might win :c
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how come when I try to vote, it says "ACCESS DENIED: Botnet Node"?
Because you are a botnet node. Your router or computer has been taken over by someone else, and they are using your computer as a node on their botnet.
To be more specific, your IP address is 69.196.73.195, you are running an open HTTP proxy on port 80, and you are listed on DroneBL.
Edit: According to the googles, you're listed on several other open proxy lists too, you've been used to attack several domains, and you've been used as a spam relay.
People have used your IP to spam and vandalize several wiki sites, and it's been involved in hosting content for pornography.
Edit Edit: wait, this isn't your IP at all! You're using an open proxy on purpose! LOL CHEATER! Now I wish I'd been less nice! I'll be calling that server admin Monday, so whore it up while it lasts.
Conga Rats, you are the cancer killing the internet.
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Because you are a botnet node. Your router or computer has been taken over by someone else, and they are using your computer as a node on their botnet.
To be more specific, your IP address is 69.196.73.195, you are running an open HTTP proxy on port 80, and you are listed on DroneBL.
Edit: According to the googles, you're listed on several other open proxy lists too, you've been used to attack several domains, and you've been used as a spam relay.
People have used your IP to spam and vandalize several wiki sites, and it's been involved in hosting content for pornography.
This must be like the internet equivalent of your doctor telling you you have cancer.
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This must be like the internet equivalent of your doctor telling you you have cancer.
Just how does one get into that kind of situation? I'm not at risk by voting here am I? (Sorry I'm a computer noob) :V
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I'm not at risk by voting here am I? (Sorry I'm a computer noob) :V
No, you're fine. This guy was deliberately using an open proxy server to try to cheat.
Nothing Seimoe does is going to give you a virus or worm.
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Looks like people will try just about anything to defeat the rabbit. I can't blame them.
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There is a lot of attempted cheating going on tonight!
The server keeps full logs of every votecode request, including those refused. If the attempted cheating continues, I will run the list of attempted cheaters by the forums administration, and they can tell me which forum user matches that request. Then we will publish a list of all the attempted cheaters for everyone to laugh at and make fun of, for being so lame as to try to cheat.
Also, since the server keeps full logs of every vote, accepted and otherwise, I can manually check EVERY vote after the end of a match.
This means:
ANY VOTES FOUND TO BE CHEATING AFTER THE FACT WILL BE DELETED.
ANY ROUNDS WON BY CHEATING CAN BE LOST AFTER SAID MANUAL CHECKING! (THIS INCLUDES USING LINODES OR OTHER VPS HOSTS TO VOTE!)
DO NOT ASSUME THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU SNUCK A PROXY OR VPS PAST THE COMPUTER THAT IT WON'T GET CAUGHT LATER. I DO CHECK THEM ALL BY HAND.
I haven't had to delete anyone's vote yet.
Let's not go there, OK?
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Lots of people care about Kogasa. No one but Suzuran cares about Medicine. :V
Hey hey hey, Medi's my favourite touhou :c
I just didn't sign up for anything until like 3 days ago because I'm a butt.
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OK, I'm totally confused at what i did wrong.....
im pretty sure i did nothing............honestly
I have no idea what i did to get this message.......
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You are connecting through an open proxy. Basically the server you are connecting through (which your connection to us is originating from) allows anyone on the Internet to connect through it, allowing people to do all sorts of nasty shit anonymously and just ruining the lives of sysadmins like me and Suzuran. It has already been recorded doing malicious shit like spamming and wiki vandalism and other unsavory things so it was stuck on a blacklist so sysadmins can filter it out.
If this is willingly, then turn it off and connect normally and stop trying to cheat. If this is unwillingly then you need to bitch at your admin who runs the server (unless this is your server then FFS never run Squid with a default setup) to fix their shit so they're no longer spewing spam and other nasty stuff. Either way the decision to block was based on behavior of the IP you're connecting from and will not be overridden. Clean your act up so your IP is no longer on blacklists.
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Reisen Lost?!
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100707020520/luckystar/images/9/94/Tsukasa_crying.gif)
EDIT: Why does someone have to cheat?
You wont get something like "THE MOST AWESOME PRIZE EVER!" if the one your voting wins...
Please Vote Fair...
Mostly goes through the same way...
Anyways... might as get my hopes up for flan...
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From what I could tell yesterday, there was some anti-Reisen voting going on. Lamesauce, but not cheating, so it is what it is. Reisen's time will simply come some other time.
Besides, I'm pretty sure she wasn't making it all the way, since I can't see anyone outside of Chen, Utsuho, Remilia or Momizi winning. >_>
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Okay... This time I gave my vote for Flan. Cirno is cute but not moe.
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I didn't even vote that round.
Honestly I don't even know what's the beef against Reisen though. =/
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There's just something about her that causes you to love her or hate her.
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Reisen Lost?!
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100707020520/luckystar/images/9/94/Tsukasa_crying.gif)
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It occurs to me that Daiyousei doesn't have much "canon moe," so I'm glad Keine won (hopefully fair and square). This next round will take some serious consideration though.
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There's just something about her that causes you to love her or hate her.
So I'm special because I'm right in the middle? :V
But I think she'd be more moe because she's the "only sane girl in all of Gensokyo" :V Keine is more motherly since she's a teacher and all :V
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So I'm special because I'm right in the middle? :V
But I think she'd be more moe because she's the "only sane girl in all of Gensokyo" :V Keine is more motherly since she's a teacher and all :V
Speak for yourself.
I voted for
(http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/bb31a01c788a2723898be4ab1720d13b.gif)
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Haha, nekorin isn't getting the votes she's usually supposed to get.
Oh well, better for us flandres.
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I don't see how Flan is all that moe to be frank. Cirno is canonically a Ted Baxter that tries way too hard. Flandre is canonically an insane shut in.
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Where in the rules did it say your vote had to be founded in canon?
And where in the rules does it say that those things can't be considered moe? >_>
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I just said I don't see how she is, I never said some one else might not XD
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Well to be honest, I find that a slightly crazy shut-in girl who has no friends is basically the quintessence of moe, so Flan's got my vote for this round. Her unbelievable hotness also helps. :D
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In the end though, Koishi will always be the moe-est.
Actually, I'd be super happy if it ends with Koishi vs Flandre. oh god.
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It's hard being the strongest and the moest at the same time, but Cirno pulls it off because she's also a genius.
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Youkai moe~
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Okay... This might sound a bit forced, but in this group I see only one option: Yuka Kazami!
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Hmm. Vote count has gone up for the most part as the first round wears on. Mind you, there were a few real popular characters yesterday, but it's good to see this get a bit more attention. As for match 10, well, I can see that as a gimme round with one character that trumped the others quite easily.
As for today, I'll be voting both against the meme and for a character I genuinely find to be moe. And I'll be actively antagonizing Yuuka well past this round simply because I think she has negative moe points. Her canon personality makes her out to be an antisocial liar on a good day while her fanon one involves ten times as much gore as the rest of the cast combined. I'm going to vote for characters that don't make my stomach churn. Besides, I know I wasn't the only one who was sold on the idea of Kogasa being the new (and genuine) youkai moe by the time she popped up again in TD.
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Her canon personality makes her out to be a hilarious prankster every day
Agreed! You should have tacked on confident, polite, gorgeous, and free-spirited while you were at it, but I'll let it pass since you seem to have been on the right track.
fanon
should be ignored when it's shit.
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Yuka is beating Kaguya is a contest of moe?
I'm going to the moon. (http://youtu.be/35TbGjt-weA)
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The long and short of my impression of Yuuka is that her negative attributes have been emphasized to an extreme degree while her positive ones are only mentioned in passing if at all, which makes them seem dubious. Either way, moe doesn't enter into the equation.
Yuka is beating Kaguya is a contest of moe?
I'm going to the moon. (http://youtu.be/35TbGjt-weA)
Y'know, I didn't think she stood a chance, but she did. The next round should prove more interesting.
Hmm. No vote for me today.
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I only found out about this yesterday but I'm so in for this.
I particularly love watching the eternal war of "it's a popularity contest" vs. "it's a moe contest" as each side clashes with each other, set-piece battle style a la Napoleonic Wars.
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Tough choice... First I though of giving my vote to Yuki, but then again Lunasa is more moe in my opinion. I give my vote for Lunasa!
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Damn, I wanted to stump for Lunassa today but by the time I get home the match will be half over. I just hope enough people have played PCB with Sakuya so that everyone hates Merlin and Lunasa can overcome Twin Magic and Bad Apple PC-98 votes. Go go memetic posterior!
The long and short of my impression of Yuuka is that her negative attributes have been emphasized to an extreme degree while her positive ones are only mentioned in passing if at all, which makes them seem dubious. Either way, moe doesnre't enter into the equation.
Did I recommend Four Seasons' House/Scarlet Devil School to you ever? I forget. Either way, I'm doing it now. Go read them, you'd like rapattu's Yuuka.
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Either way, moe doesn't enter into the equation.
A youkai. Yes. Youkai moe~.
The reason she doesn't feel oriental at all is because she's a Youkai. Yes. Youkai moe.
It's definitely something moe. Moe~.
YUUKA IS CANON MOE.
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Youkai moe wins. I'm satisfied :V
Anyways, now to vote for Happy moe > silent moe :V
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Did I recommend Four Seasons' House/Scarlet Devil School to you ever? I forget. Either way, I'm doing it now. Go read them, you'd like rapattu's Yuuka.
Yes! I've been up to date on Four Seasons' House for several months now, and that's by far my favorite Yuuka. The problem is that the soft nature of the series really dilutes and sweetens her and many of the other characters' personalities. For Yuuka in particular, the contrast is so great and semi-surreal that she feels like an entirely different character. Next up, Patchy's Sweatin' to the Prismrivers and Yuugi's Fashionably Fabulous Power Hour!
Anyway, several posts ago I started beating a dead horse with a side of LOL butthurt y u mad bro unpopular opinion.
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I find this match rather uninteresting. Just gonna vote for Lunassa.
I'm more interested to see if Rinnosuke will snatch up a bunch of votes in the next match.
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めるぽ～
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めるぽ～
ξ・∀・)
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Merlin is an erratic type. Her magical power is the strongest but she often slips up when using it.
Her personality is overflowing with good cheer. When she picks up an interest in something, she obsesses over it like a maniac.
Adorable.
Almost voted for Elly but despite being one of my favourites, she's totally not moe at all.
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Man people have some crazy ideas of what a "moe" is :V
Oh well I don't understand the internet some days!
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The next round is going to be tough for me. Hina's pretty cute with all her spinning and what not, but Classic Reimu is adorable.
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Man people have some crazy ideas of what a "moe" is :V
Oh well I don't understand the internet some days!
Well, I see two possibilities
1. Yuka is moe to begin with.
2. By voting Yuka most moe, we have proven Yuka is more moe than Kaguya. Therefore, vote whoever you like best, because then the poll results will prove that they're the most moe.
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This round I'm voting for Lunasa. A loli playing a sad melody on the violin just takes the cake.
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Well, I see two possibilities
1. Yuka is moe to begin with (http://hijiribe.donmai.us/data/2a820073e0db4e85536d867337f53328.jpg).
2. By voting Yuka most moe, we have proven Yuka is more moe than Kaguya. Therefore, vote whoever you like best, because then the poll results will prove that they're the most moe.
403 Forbidden. Don't Hyperlink.
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Just remove the hijiribe. part of the url. :V
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This one relatively easy... Eventhough voting Rinnosuke sounded like a great idea, I gave my vote to Hinarin...
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Pulling for Hina today as well, but boy, talk about a day with no clear-cut favorites or underdogs.
Hopefully the memetic power of Miracle Hinacle can pull this one out for one of the most underappreciated 2hus.
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Pulling for Hina today as well, but boy, talk about a day with no clear-cut favorites or underdogs.
Hopefully the memetic power of Miracle Hinacle can pull this one out for one of the most underappreciated 2hus.
*sway sway* (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=340700)
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"Underappreciated" except for about 70% of the people voting.
Definitely going for classic Reimu on this one because this trend looks like it's going to continue and I want to at least pretend like it's close.
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A belated fistbump to all my Merlin comrades. Even though we couldn't pull it off.
As for this round...well, the answer is quite obvious. And I don't even need to think of her Mad Tilting Skillz, she's the winner even without them~
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First Yuki, now PC-98 Reimu. I seem to get the habit of voting for the ones who have pretty much no chance to win (well, I did vote for Yuuka before, but I actually thought that Kagua or Lily would win).
Although, when I look at the next match, it will probably be different there (but I can't help but be curious about how many votes Unzan will get).
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Spin, Hina! Spin people's misfortunes away! Such a nice girl.
First Yuki, now PC-98 Reimu. I seem to get the habit of voting for the ones who have pretty much no chance to win (well, I did vote for Yuuka before, but I actually thought that Kagua or Lily would win).
That's happened to me a couple times already.
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Seiga is adorable by looks, but Hina needs a hug much moar :3 .
Now, fingers crossed that I'll manage to cause a miracle that will make people realize how futile it is to resist picking Sanae-chan as the top dog of moe in toehoes :V.
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First Yuki, now PC-98 Reimu. I seem to get the habit of voting for the ones who have pretty much no chance to win (well, I did vote for Yuuka before, but I actually thought that Kagua or Lily would win).
Although, when I look at the next match, it will probably be different there (but I can't help but be curious about how many votes Unzan will get).
I think the best my votes have gotten so far was Dai in Match 11.
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Seiga my adorable waifu...things aren't looking good, but I will still vote for you =/
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Rinnosuke is MY moe. he have all about i think who is male-moe. He have glasses, cute round face, cute eyes, fluffy white hair, and even have an ahoge. He appears in a fandom where almost ALL are girls, womans, lolis, but even that, he have a corner with cute fanarts (without mencion the badass fanarts and Mannosuke XD) and that is so much for a male character in a fandom with almost all males. If only Touhou were more known for the rabid fangirls...and if only appeared another sexy man in Touhou (Youki is practically fanmade, but he have a pair of moe traits (ahoge,karesen-moe but very badass (middle-old man who looks well, sexy, or have a very nice personality etc) ( http://bangin.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AC%E3%82%BB%E3%83%B3karesen/ ), more than excelent for sengoku-samurai-fans (well, this works for Kourin and all Touhou too) ...Believe me, the BL and yaoi about them will appear like mushrooms after the rain. XD he is so Uke-"dame elite" (he never sold anything, and claims who he is weak and never flies or fight... but he know things to the point who you begin to doubt) who is irresistible.
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Rinnosuke is MY moe. he have all about i think who is male-moe. He have glasses, cute round face, cute eyes, fluffy white hair, and even have an ahoge.
You know, this argument really makes alot of sense. Personally I'm still voting for Hina, but Rinnosuke is more reasonable than I thought at first.
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Indeed. It's why I would some what love it if good ol' Kourin made it to 20 votes.
I mean, Hina has this match won... So why not give the cute lad his worth! <3
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I as well would definitely enjoy if Rinnosuke somehow got a surge. The man ain't bad looking, and if anyone deserves that runner-up slot it's him for putting up with Reimu and Marisa all the time.
No way I'm retracting my vote for it though. *spin spin*
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You can't retract a vote once it's been counted anyway.
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Rinnosuke is moe because he has to put up with Marisa.
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Rinnosuke is moe because he has to put up with Marisa Aya.
Fix'd
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not canon
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Better than cannon. :V
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not canon
Weeeell... (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Chapter_17) Heck, I thought Aya's whole schtick was that EVERYONE has to put up with her.
Edit: I guess I'll vote for Koaku-HOW many votes does Hina have?!
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Okay my next vote is not a secret... Eventhough it would be nice to vote for Su-san,
because of her lack of personality I will vote for Koakuma.
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Koakuma is going to win this round by a substantial margin. Calling it now.
Voting for Su-san anyway since I missed my chance to vote for Medi-chan.
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Yeah Coke-uma is taking this one more than handily. I wouldn't be surprised if she breaks 100.
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Don't care about Koakuma. I'm voting for the giant cotton candy man.
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And again I point to my call of Unzan beating Su-san.
Hell Yumeko may even beat her. I'm sure there are enough people who hate Sakuya and don't know what a su-san is to make it possible.
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=uruc Just to fuel the fires...
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Just as I thought, the one I voted for is the one who is pretty obviously going to win.
Well, with that competition, a PC-98 character (which sadly have pretty bad cards anyway), one of the few male characters (although a pretty popular one, I'm not surprised that he gets relatively many votes) and a character who is actually more an item of a rather unpopular character, it's not that hard, not even for a character who is actually little more than an (actually) nameless midboss (it helps that fandom likes to make her moe, though).
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=uruc Just to fuel the fires...
no need for this...
seeing how popular koa really is now..
i'd say koa got this match already...
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I think the next several days will be the easiest in the first round for me. Even if it took me two full years to warm up to Sanae, nearly every match over the next week features one character that I find far easier to vote for than the other three.
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Okay... This time I give my vote to Yuyuko as I already voted Yuka (yeah, yeah - this is the PC-98 one,
but Yuka is still Yuka).
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If anything PC-98 Yuka is even more Moe.
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If anything PC-98 Yuka is even more Moe.
Of course... Because Yuka is definition of Youkai moe.
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What is moe?
Well, that depends on what you yourself define as moe.
What is Youkai Moe?
Kazami Yuuka. She is a bundle of beauty and... okay, so maybe not THAT moe; but hey, who's going to argue with a drunkard if he says Yuuka is moe?
What is Sleepy Youkai Moe?
... It is a win status! It's Yuuka when she is trying to sleep, but keeps getting disturbed by people invading her mansion. Look at that cute face when she's disturbed. Look at how annoyed she is at having been woken up. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~ <3
[I'll go runaway now.]
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Pajamas Yuka is pretty cute.
But unfortunately she's in a bracket with Yuyuko "If existing I would actively endeavor to have my life taken by" Saigyouji.
Nighty night, youkai moe.
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Had I been up at 8 AM I would have called this one for Yuyuko already, but alas, it is too late to make any calls.
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I think the next several days will be the easiest in the first round for me. Even if it took me two full years to warm up to Sanae, nearly every match over the next week features one character that I find far easier to vote for than the other three.
This is probably the signal that I should give up hope for Miko doing anything meaningful in that match before I get my heart broken. :(
What is moe?
Baby don't uguu
Don't uguu
No more
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This is probably the signal that I should give up hope for Miko doing anything meaningful in that match before I get my heart broken. :(
I know. I've noticed that while the TD cast has done relatively well in several of the matches, none of them have won. Even Kyouko, who I think was made to be cute, didn't reach 40 votes, although that field was pretty strong.
I've had seven characters that I've voted for lose their matches, and I haven't voted in several matches that I've been indifferent about. I fully expect about a dozen disappointments in the first round alone.
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And another round in which I vote for the one, who will most likely win. And it seems that it's even likelier than I thought. I really expected Eirin to get more votes than that. I wouldn't have been surprised if it became a close race between Yuyuko and Eirin, similar to the Yuuka vs. Kaguya one, but as of now it seems very unlikely that it will become this.
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I've had seven characters that I've voted for lose their matches, and I haven't voted in several matches that I've been indifferent about. I fully expect about a dozen disappointments in the first round alone.
I had thought about that myself, actually, since I felt like I had seen an inordinate number of disappointments so far, but actually, people should only "expect" to be happy with 1 of out every four matches. Through 16 matches I've been pleased with the result 7 times, which is actually better than the 4 I should have been.
This is largely why I've been able to contain my immense frustration with today's match. Today has actually caused me more ire than waking up to see Reisen lost the lead she had when I went to bed, which I didn't even think was possible to exceed.
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I had thought about that myself, actually, since I felt like I had seen an inordinate number of disappointments so far, but actually, people should only "expect" to be happy with 1 of out every four matches. Through 16 matches I've been pleased with the result 7 times, which is actually better than the 4 I should have been.
Technically, that would only be true if the voting were completely random. To actually get some kind of statistic like that, you'd probobly be better off counting the total number of characters whom you consider "moe," and determining the likelyhood of them being paired with non-moe characters. Or something like that. ???
Anyway, voting for another Yuka would be kind of weird, even if she is even more moe than the other one, so I'll be voting for Yuyuko this time.
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Well, that statement was made to be a bizarre bastard love child between the binomial distribution and the one-proportion hypothesis test, except much less reliable than either because of the large number of mitigating factors. You'd have a tough time convincing me a person would have a good statistical reason to be unhappy their vote has been for the winner more than 25% of the time, though.
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Well, that statement was made to be a bizarre bastard love child between the binomial distribution and the one-proportion hypothesis test, except much less reliable than either because of the large number of mitigating factors. You'd have a tough time convincing me a person would have a good statistical reason to be unhappy their vote has been for the winner more than 25% of the time, though.
Actually, there is a good statistical reason the average voter should win WAY more than 25% of the time.
Lets use the following matches as examples:
Match 8
Chen 82
Kotohime 16
Reimu Hakurei 44
Ghost (PC-98) 8
Total Votes: 150
Match 16
Koakuma 81
Yumeko 20
Su-san 10
Unzan 18
Total Votes: 129
In match 8, 82 voters won out of 150. Thus, the average voter had a probability of 82/150 of winning.
In match 16, 81 voters won out of 129. The average voter had a probability of 81/129 of winning.
Probability of winning for a given match, using this as a sample: (82+81)/(150+129) = 163/279 = .58
Course, this sample isn't significant, so lets use a larger sample - all completed matches.
Total votes cast across first 16 matches = 2207
Total votes cast for a winning character = 1086
Average voter wins with a probability of .492, or 49.2% of the time.
Using this applet (http://www.rossmanchance.com/applets/BinomDist/BinomDist.html) calculate the binomial, only 4.4% of voters should have lost 12 matches or more.
And with 120 to 180 vote matches, it means there are about 6 or 7 people who have every right to be annoyed, as they fall into the bottom 5%.
(Edit: sorry for some of the edits, I got a couple numbers backwards when I typed this.)
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Again, the best my vote has gotten so far was Dai in match 11.
Sadnewsbears
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Again, the best my vote has gotten so far was Dai in match 11.
Sadnewsbears
You only get to complain if you had an active interest in every match and only won 1. If you only cared about a couple of them, then you have to rerun the numbers only for the matches that you cared about using their total vote score and winning vote quantities, with sample size equal to the number of matches you were interested in (rather than the total) and then see if that has a p-value of less than .05.
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I don't care.
In the end, if you guys don't vote for Koishi in Match 25.
I will come over to each and every one of your houses
And rape the living hell of your mind.
with peenmaku
...
...*banned*
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Hey, I have an actual reason for not voting for Koishi...
It's called her [several graphic words here] of a doki-doki adventure.
[Runs from Gpop.]
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It's called her [several graphic words here] of a doki-doki adventure.
Not canon
Your point is moot
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Tell that to people voting on fanon terms. :derp:
I'd probably end up voting Koishi anyhow. :V
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Anyways, I feel like posting predictions and see how well I do.
Match 18 - Meiling
Match 19 - Nue
Match 20 - Nitori
Match 21 - Momiji
Match 22 - Sanae/Tewi (close round)
Match 23 - Shou
Match 24 - Alice (Windows)
Match 25 - Koishi/Suwako (close round, but Koishi will succeed BECAUSE I SAID SO)
Match 26 - Parsee
Match 27 - Utsuho/Suika (close round)
Match 28 - I honestly don't know too many PC-98s
Match 29 - Rin
Match 30 - Satori/Youmu (REALLY close)
Match 31 - Remilia
Match 32 - Siki/Ran (close)
Just predictions, not my choice :V
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I'd vote Koishi if she weren't going up against two characters better than her in pretty much every facet.
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I'm actually guessing Kisume will beat out China. Being cute is like all Kisume is known for. Well that and the whole Ranka thing.
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I'd vote Koishi if she weren't going up against two characters better than her in pretty much every facet.
If she loses to Suwako, I won't feel as bad.
Because I actually like Suwako.
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Yuyuko's opponents this round...
...don't stand a ghost of a chance.
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Truth be told, the only match I'm interested in is 24. I kind of want Mokou to beat Alice. Fanon kind of ruined Alice for me, and I'd like Mokou to win the whole thing except Marisa's the most likely to win it all in my opinion.
@Gpop - Have to disagree with your prediction for 21. Marisa's probably the top character for the entire tournament, let alone Momiji's bracket.
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Marisa's probably the top character for the entire tournament
Maybe if it was popularity contest, but Reimu has already proven Plot Armor doesn't work in this contest.
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Maybe if it was popularity contest, but Reimu has already proven Plot Armor doesn't work in this contest.
Exactly, I was expecting this to become popularity #2, looking at how fanbases are in general, but looks like it's actually somewhat not :V
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Actually, I thought Reimu lost because she's Reimu.
Not everyone likes Reimu.
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She still wins the Japanese contest every year.
Again, the best my vote has gotten so far was Dai in match 11.
I'd like to see your character sort.
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She still wins the Japanese contest every year.
I'd like to see your character sort.
Right. I think the thing with Reimu is a values dissonace. Kind of like how Tingle is popular in Japan but hated in the U.S. I don't think Marisa will have that problem.
Still, I suppose we'll know for sure Wednesday morning.
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She still wins the Japanese contest every year.
I'd like to see your character sort.
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/Kink-Link5/top20touhous-1.png)
:V
I manually placed Miko where I felt she belonged since the TD characters haven't been added to it yet. I think before that like Murasa was on it or something. But this isn't about our favourite touhous, it's about which one we feel is the most deserving of the "moe" descriptor.
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If the two aren't one in the same for you, then why do you keep complaining about voting for people that go nowhere? <_<
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This round is hard aswell... Eventhough I would like to give my vote to the cute little Kisume, I will vote for Hong Meiling.
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Kisume, Chiyuri, and Mugetsu are all pretty moe I'd say. A loli in a bucket, a sailor girl, and a magical maid. The later two don't have nearly enough votes, and the fact that Meiling is even putting up a fight is causing me to lose faith the idea of this as a "moe contest."
Let's go Kisume, the first Touhou character I ever faced!
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Kisume, Chiyuri, and Mugetsu are all pretty moe I'd say. A loli in a bucket, a sailor girl, and a magical maid. The later two don't have nearly enough votes, and the fact that Meiling is even putting up a fight is causing me to lose faith the idea of this as a "moe contest."
Let's go Kisume, the first Touhou character I ever faced!
Are you implying China isn't moe?
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A girl who's name sounds like "kiss me?" What else could you want?
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Are you implying China isn't moe?
Shes more ~SEXY~ than moe if yea ask me.
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A girl who's name sounds like "kiss me?" What else could you want?
So I'm not the only one who thinks this!
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Don't forget that Meiling won touhou saimoe many years back :V
Of course she's hot, but she's also kind of goofy and a super nice lady. Moe as fuck.
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welp time to actually
make an accountvote for this thing :V
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/364/c90a41fa3b0e121621d7a5d.png)
it's moe time bitches BV
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After thinking this for a while... This time I will vote for Haniwa's Maybell.
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MEILING VICTORY! I'm shocked it was so close, and even though I was pulling for Meiling before Kisume was ever introduced as a character, I'm sorta glad Kisume got some attention.
Off day today. I smell a couple of routs for the next match though.
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Rinnosuke Manga, Nuesis, Invasion of the Nue-Girl, all quality reads! Vote for Nue!
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And Meiling won. It's not like she's the antithesis of moe or anything, but Kisume is just a moe divinity. Oh well...
As for this round, it's between Gengetsu and Nue for me. While I admit I think Nue is a bit more moe and I'll be happy if she wins, it would also be nice if Gengetsu got the recognition she deserves. I'll vote Nue though, since a pretty cute picture of her is currently my desktop background. :D
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Voting for Maybell just because of that picture on the damn wiki.
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MEILING VICTORY! I'm shocked it was so close, and even though I was pulling for Meiling before Kisume was ever introduced as a character, I'm sorta glad Kisume got some attention.
Off day today. I smell a couple of routs for the next match though.
i knew she could do it ಥ_ಥ
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I knew she would win, but I didn't think Kisume could pull off a close round.
Anyways, going for Nue because yeah :V
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Nue because Ichimi's Nue on Danbooru is too moe.
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Gotta agree with Richard Cheese for this round (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvEwLfRGcT8).
(NSFW - language)
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This might not be a suprise, but I will vote for Nitori.
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Arguably, Luna Child is the most moe of the three fairies, but Nitori will be stiff competition from the clueless set.
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Luna looks like Mami Tomoe to me, and I really hate the colour green, especially on Tojiko. Guess I'm going with Komachi :T
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Left Komachichi > Luna
Right Komachichi > Nitori
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Left Komachichi > Luna
Right Komachichi > Nitori
You said it bro.
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Left Komachichi > Luna
Right Komachichi > Nitori
You said it bro.
Listen to you, placing physical attributes so far ahead of other qualities! It's no wonder why men are so frequently portrayed as petty and base. That's why I respect girls for their minds and their endearing virtues and characteristics that set them apart as an individual. I'm drawn to their personalities and not merely driven by testosterone to ogle some endowments! It's a mindset that I use so that I know what's important to me in a woman, and it traverses simple borders like reality. It means I love them for who they are instead of what they are. Let me tell you, it shows, because I get the same amount of respect from girls in real life as I do from girls in video games. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Hmm... This was not a hard choice. I will vote for Momizi...
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Big day coming... I'll be heartbroken if she fails :ohdear:.
Remember about the sweetheart that would protect you from being omnomnomed on, should you ever be lucky bastard enough to fall into Gensokyo :3.
(http://critz.w.interii.pl/Sanae2.jpg) (http://konachan.com/post/show/91934/akashio-aqua_hair-blue_eyes-fan-flowers-japanese_c)
Voted for Momiji, btw. No contest whatsoever.
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Sanaes a slut.
Vote for the pure and innocence Tewi.
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Marisa must win! Or else...ZE~TTAI YURUSANAI!
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I'm surprised Reimu had people actively voting against her and Marisa doesn't, when Marisa is a much worse person than Reimu is :V
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Reimu a heroine to some, a bigoted bully to others.
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Marisa's just a prick to everyone though :T
Black-White witch can't win this. This can not be allowed.
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Except Reimu only lost because of a stupid cat. That's not fair.
Now, Momiji vs Marisa is a different story.
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From what I've seen, Marisa's always been popular in the West, and certainly more popular than Reimu. Momimomimomi doesn't have quite the history Chen has, either.
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From what I've seen, Marisa's always been popular in the West, and certainly more popular than Reimu. Momimomimomi doesn't have quite the history Chen has, either.
Andby history you mean
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
CHEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEeEEeEeEeeEeNNnNnNNn
CHHHHHHHHHHHHHHENNNNNN
HONK HONK
right? :V
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Welp, Tengu must vote within the party lines. That's all I gotta say.
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Wow this is close though, but I'll admit I preferred Momi over Marisa.
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Start: Dec 6 09:00
Lyrica Prismriver 12
Marisa Kirisame 71
Momiji Inubashiri 71
Sara 1
Time Remaining: 6:16:59
S***'s getting intense.
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I've logged 30 cheating attempts in just the last couple hours.
Seriously, knock it off.
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I voted for Marisa, but it's awesome to see that Momiji got so many votes.
I' m fine either way. :derp:
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Poor Sara :(
I still love you!
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Wow, come in and check the stats - 85/84, Marisa/Momiji respectively.
This is perhaps the only time in any of our lives that your vote really does count!
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Good thing I already threw mine away on the fellow percussionist.
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I'm really hoping someone votes for Momiji right now... This is just so intense. Closest match for sure, right now.
To think by the time I walk to university, this'll be over.
GO MOMIJI!!!
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Match 21
Start: Dec 6 09:00
Lyrica Prismriver 15
Marisa Kirisame 87
Momiji Inubashiri 87
Sara 2
Time Remaining: 0:19:59
F5F5F5F5..... lol
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Ohdear! :ohdear:
Ohdear! :ohdear:
Ohdear! :ohdear:
16 minutes to go and Marisa with a 1 vote lead.
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Omg overtime! :o
edit: Yay Momiji!
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I really thought that was going to be the first overtime match.
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Yay, Momimomi won!
Well, this round I will give my vote to Tewi....
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HOLY HELL THAT WAS CLOSE!
That was an amazing match. It actually kept me awake last night!
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Have fun with the manual vote inspection for that one, Suzuran. :V
EDIT: VOTE FOR MIKO PLZ
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I was working on it during the match, honestly. When it turned into a dead heat I started watching them in real time.
There was more attempted cheating in this match than any other, but the anti-proxy code did its job.
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...I never knew my vote would help Momi win
...
..... :derp:
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^.^ <333333333333333333
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Sanae 13
Tewi 3
Miko 2
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/British-Simpsons-Tea-Spit.jpg)
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... SHE DID IT! Oh my gosh, Momiji actually won it. Take that, you ordinary magician! <3
Now to see shrine maiden #2 fall...
GAH... Tewi or Miko... I don't know! ><
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Man, had I noticed I totally would have tied that last one.
No way Sanae is going to win this one, though.*denial*
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DARN IT I SHOULD HAVE FORCED MY DORMMATES TO VOTE FOR MARISA -.-
Hmm going for Miko on this one. Goose Cannon! Sanae stole my perfect and elegant maid's role too many times.
WARNING: SPOILERS FOR KOISHI'S HEART-THROBBING ADVENTURES:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/682215/blood-green_hair-knife-kochiya_sanae-komeiji_sator
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Lyrica 15
Marisa 95
Momiji 96
Sara 2
YES.
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Welp, there goes my prediction of this being close between Sanae and Tewi :V
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Gah I forgot to vote! My vote was for Momiji anyway, but it's unsettling nonetheless. Thank you, everyone who voted for Momi. :3
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Sanaes a slut.
Sanae stole my perfect and elegant maid's role too many times.
Exactly the kind of fanon BS that ruined otherwise perfectly likable characters, such as Flan, Yuuka, Cirno or Alice for me. Seriously, where the hell people take those conclusions from :wat:?
That said, if it was badassery contest, I'd gladly give my voice for Miko 'till the end. But it's all about moe, remember.
(http://critz.w.interii.pl/Konachan.jpg) (http://konachan.com/post/show/93913/flowers-grass-green_hair-hiiragi-qualia-kochiya_sa)
Would you deny a hug :3?
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Exactly the kind of fanon BS that ruined otherwise perfectly likable characters
Its all in good fun. If there wasn't a bit of smack talk and competition going on this would be a pretty boring contest.
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Sanae stole my perfect and elegant maid's role too many times.
My reason for liking her BV
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(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/th_Screenshot012-1.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/?action=view¤t=Screenshot012-1.jpg)
Sanae is moe ???
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Wow... that was real close. Hooray Momiji :D
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We all know who should win this one. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1018724/) (Danbooru warning etc etc)
She needs more hair flapping art dammit.
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I admit it. I'm voting for zombie fairy. Those little gals are too adorable! :D
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So Sanae won... Interesting.
Well, I hope that Shou will win this round...
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Shou will win just because she has a Window's pass.
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And then I realised the Five Moe Stones are not in this and I was sad D:
Also man, Shou has this round easy (Poor Louise ;-; )
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How disappointing. Mai is adorable.
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Shou will win just because she has a Window's pass.
I'm not counting VIVIT out of this just yet, thank you very much.
My vote will be with her! If anyone is going to stun that silly tiger, it's going to be a robotic maid from the future; and a moe one at that!
That and she has Doll's Phantom (or if you want the updated version, Phantom Factory); which is one of my top tracks from Seihou.
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Yes. Zombie fairy got 15 votes. I am satisfied with that round.
But this one...
Shou just isn't moe. VIVIT's cute, but she's not really a Touhou character. I want Mai to win. She's a little angel girl. She has a "trecherous side" if you will, but that just boosts her moe even more because she is actually the weaker of the two bosses, with a blindspot that would make Cirno proud.
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Gonna vote Mai because she's awesome in
Sengoku Gensokyo
.
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Might started voting 'cause it sounded interesting.
So who or what can I vote on in this contest?
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In case you haven't, read the first post. Basically each day there are four characters, and you vote for the one who's the most moe.
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Or you can vote your favorite.
In case you haven't, read the first post. Basically each day there are four characters, and you vote for the one who's the most moe.
Or your favorites.
It's pretty much a popularity contest.
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It's pretty much a popularity contest.
Unfortunately. Though Momiji did beat Marisa, if only by one vote. It proves there are people out there voting for moe. Of course, Momiji only pulled it off because she is both moe and fairly popular, but my point still stands.
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What is supposed to happen: People vote for the Touhou they find most appealing, attractive, and cute.
What actually happens: People voting for their favorite character, without considering the 'moe' factor
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Unfortunately. Though Momiji did beat Marisa, if only by one vote. It proves there are people out there voting for moe. Of course, Momiji only pulled it off because she is both moe and fairly popular, but my point still stands.
You make turning this into a popularity contest sound like a bad thing.
The last Seimoe we had was in 2007 according to Kilga. With that the case, then I'm not sure we have ever had a popularity contest for western fans, and it could easily be another 4 years before we have another contest like this. I'm far more interested in which characters us westerners like the best than which ones we think are moe. I know what moe looks like. I know Chen and Momiji are moe incarnate, and I don't need a moe contest to tell me that. But I don't know if Momiji is more popular than Reimu, and that would be fascinating to find out.
Now, if we had a popularity contest once in a while that would be a different matter. But we don't have them, and this is the closest I may ever get to having one.
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What actually happens: People voting for their favorite character, without considering the 'moe' factor
I blame secondaries. :V
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Now, if we had a popularity contest once in a while that would be a different matter. But we don't have them, and this is the closest I may ever get to having one.
Well that's actually a good point. Now I can't help but think that a popularity contest would be more interesting then a moe contest. I hope we have one in the future, though for now I'm still voting moe. (My favorites tend to be the moe characters anyway, so it doesn't effect my voting much.)
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I actually see that this is actually being quite the opposite, it's actually people who feel is more moe than anything. Otherwise, we'd see Reimu and co blasting through all these polls.
Now I would say the reason why the PC-98 characters aren't getting any love is because they're still pretty unknown to some people. Not all, but some, which is greatly hurting their chances here.
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Watching Alice vs pc-98 Alice is going to be the best.
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Hint: Windows Alice is going to have more than 5 times as many votes as PC-98 Alice.
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And Mokou will win by a margin of less than '98 Alice's vote total. :trollface:
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A popularity contest between the old PC98 characters and more recent Windows characters sounds cool.
And thanks for the reply and my bad English.
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A popularity contest between the old PC98 characters and more recent Windows characters sounds cool.
And thanks for the reply and my bad English.
Nearly every windows character is more popular than nearly every PC-98 character. The best PC-98 has going for it is Shinki and Mima, which are I guess more popular than like Kisume and Hourai?
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Too bad Mima didn't appear in TD.
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So yeah. Shou won only because she's a tiger. wut.
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Welp. There are two Alices to choose.
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And one Mokou...
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This was really hard choice between both Alices and Mokou... Even though Mokotan can be really moe
and classic Alice is way too cute, I still voted for current Alice.
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Gonna choose Alice(more recent one) 'cause I have very few knowledge about the PC98 Characters and I'm not much of a Mokou person. :D
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I take that back. Windows Alice is going to have more than 9 times the votes of classic Alice.
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I will vote for Alice. It is the least I can do for Marisa now.
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Having a hard time choosing between Alice or Mokou for this match :ohdear:
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I'm not.
Go Mokou!
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I don't really understand how Alice can be more moe than lolice, nor why people consider both Alice and Mokou to be moe in the first place, but whatever.
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Both Mokou and Alice are pretty moe I'd say. I guess younger Alice is more moe than older Alice just becuase she's younger, but as far as I'm concerned, youkai don't age, and they're the same character. I don't have to worry about that nonsense though, since I'm voting for Mokou. Hopefully the Alice voters will be divided between the two options. (yeah right)
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Fuck everyone's shit, I voted Orange.
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I don't really understand how Alice can be more moe than lolice
Cute and moe aren't the same thing. Alice has a lot more depth as an adult and is more endearing as a result IMO.
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Alice is plenty moe as an adult. :3
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Having a hard time choosing between Alice or Mokou for this match :ohdear:
I'm not.
Go Mokou!
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I will vote for Alice. It is the least I can do for Marisa now.
I'm far from an Alice fan, and I voted Mokou, but there are plenty of nice reasons to vote for Alice like if you find her cowardice moe, or you think she looks adorable, or simply that the whole doll thing is cute and stuff. You know, things that are actually about Alice. Using Alice as a cheap substitute for Marisa just gets my goat. No matter how hard you ship them, they still aren't the same person.
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Fuck everyone's shit, I voted Orange.
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Wait what since when is Alice a coward. I thought she was a shut in who doesn't like people very much and gets into fights with Marisa a lot.
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Wait what since when is Alice a coward.
Since IaMP dialogue, if I recall correctly, though I may not since it's been forever since I last played it.
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Well uh PC-98 Alice didn't make it so I'm going to conpensate for it and vote Shanghai Doll.
::)
No joke, though, this one's going to be interesting.
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Koishi, Rumia, Shanghai or Suwako? Looking trough the list of contests, this is the most difficult match to choose.
Well, after thinking this a lot, I will vote for Shanghai.
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Lady Suwako all the way :3
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You all best know what's good for you.
I know where each and every one of you live.
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Wait what since when is Alice a coward. I thought she was a shut in who doesn't like people very much and gets into fights with Marisa a lot.
It was stated outright in her IaMP profile: "Her personality is uncaring towards others, and tends to be obsessed with magic. She pretends that she has a strong attitude, but actually she is kind of a coward in her heart."
PCB also has this: "Dominating the enemy with overwhelming power is not fun at all for Alice, so she always sees her opponent's reaction and tries to fight with power that exceeds the opponent by a hair. Even if she loses, she doesn't show her full power. That's because she thinks it would be the end of the rope for her if she lost with full power."
What's funny is that when people started getting fed up with stuttering tsundere fanon Alice, there was sort of a reactionary "CANON ALICE IS AN ICY BADASS WHO DOESN'T TAKE SHIT FROM ANYONE" which is even MORE wrong. Alice is very insecure :V
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derpidy derp.
I'll chose Shanghai. Maybe it'll ironic if both Shanghai and Hourai(next 2 matches) wins. :D
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Hmm actually really on the fence for this one. Debating between Suwako and Koishi.
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I want Rumia to win this round, but I want Koishi to lose more... I'll probably vote for Rumia anyway though. :V
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Koishi will win.
I say so.
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Another round with a concentration of moe characters. I think Rumia's the most moe, but I may vote Suwako if she has a chance of beating Koishi. Shanghai is a fan-made character.
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Honestly, this entire bracket is a killer though, if it wasn't for Koishi, I'd actually have a REALLY hard time voting, but most likely would've vote for Suwako.
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Ah this match is a tough one...
..guess I'll go with Suwako.
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Shanghai is a fan-made character.
!?
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Well if you consider that Shanghai is just a doll type rather than a single doll. Then yeah I guess that would be "fanmade" in a sense.
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She is. Alice has lots of "Eerily Luminous Shanghai Dolls," but it's never said that she has one named Shanghai. The closest thing she has to a unique doll would probobly be The Phantom of the Grand Guignol, but I don't think she/he/it is in this contest.
EDIT: I looked at the name at the site and it actually says "Shanghai Doll," so I guess you're just voting for any given Shanghai Doll, kind of like Zombie Fairy.
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There's the Goliath as well, IIRC.
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Calling this next round for Yukarin, voting for Ruukoto anyway.
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Parsee's the only one with any real moe this round.
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Eventhough I like Parsee, I will vote for Shinki because she has special charm...
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Ah what a good day to be a Koishi fan
I actually expected Suwako to be closer to Koishi though.
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Without Parsee, we wouldn't have Puru-see.
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There some things I like better than what I really like.
Like Parsee>Yukari>Shinki>Ruukoto :D
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Well I accidentaly voted twice because thought the first didn't go through. I really hope I haven't screwed something up. :ohdear:
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Well are youkai of the gaps has won round 26! This of course makes me happy cause I enjoy Yukari.
Now we move on to round 27:
Hourai vs. Rikako vs. Suika vs. Utusho.
My prediction for this round:
This is likely going to be a battle between Suika and Utusho more than anything else. The sad part is I like them both thus this will be hard for me to decide between a drunk oni and a nuclear raven. We'll see how this plays out.
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My bet's on Suika personally. As well as my vote.
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Even though Rikako is meganekko moe, I will vote for Suika...
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I'm surprised yesterday's match got anywhere near as much attention as it did. It's the kinda thing that makes me fret for my two favorites who did well but didn't get Momi-level voting. As for today, I think this could very well be the 4th match in a row that the character I vote for will wind up losing.
The last 6 matches of the first round will be a real mixed bag for me. There's a match or two I'm simply not interested in, characters I love that I'll be voting for, characters I love but won't vote for because I don't find them to be moe, and a character I'll be actively voting against. I'm glad there aren't very many of those that have made it past the first round.
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Suika cause I'm an alcoholic.
Nah, I'm lying! :D
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Utsuho of course. How can you deny the Unyu girl?
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Alcoholic moe~~~~~~~~~
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Well that's unfortunate. Yukari has got to be one of the least moe characters in Touhou, and she triumphs over a ditzy maid who is also a nuclear robot, and a little jealous girl with golden curly hair. I am now officially irked. While I'll admit that canon Yukari is more moe than the feindish fanon Yukari, I also know without a doubt that most of the people who voted Yukari voted for fanon Yukari.
Hopefully Suika wins this round.
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Well that's unfortunate. Yukari has got to be one of the least moe characters in Touhou, and she triumphs over a ditzy maid who is also a nuclear robot, and a little jealous girl with golden curly hair. I am now officially irked. While I'll admit that canon Yukari is more moe than the feindish fanon Yukari, I also know without a doubt that most of the people who voted Yukari voted for fanon Yukari.
Hopefully Suika wins this round.
My thoughts exactly.
ぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱるぱる
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Well to be fair, fanon DOES play a major role in a moe contest, whether or not we like it. I for one would be sad if Remilia didn't have an "Uu~!" side to garner her so many votes.
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Drunkards are not moe. >:<
Next!
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But my point was that fanon Yukari is anti-moe. Fans make her into a self-absorbed mastermind who messes up everyone else and totally abuses her limitless power. On top of that they make her boobs way too big.
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boobs way too big
Not possible.
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Very possible. There's a certain point where breasts stop being breasts and become their own entity with a character attached.
(Totally saying this for reasons other than the fact that I like them flat as a cutting board)
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I like them flat as a cutting board
When a flat chested girl hugs you, she is holding you closer to her heart. <3 :D
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[20:38] KennyManZZZ: Tomorrow's match is the important one, after all
[20:38] KB: ooh is it nigh catfish time?
[20:38] KennyManZZZ: Yep
[20:38] KB: we should get a sig for that
[20:39] KennyManZZZ: Catfish 2011
[20:39] KennyManZZZ: YES WE CATFISH
:3
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There's a certain point where breasts stop being breasts and become their own entity with a character attached.
Still doesn't qualify as "too big".
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It's funny because canon Yukari is usually funny, and fanon Yukari is usually serious and epic.
There's just that one segment of fanon where moe Yukari is usually Child Yukari that is depicted in a few webcomics. Other than that, for the most part, she isn't generally depicted as moe which now confuses me more on what the western community even thinks anymore.
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What the western community even thinks anymore.
I think its missing the point of the contest and just voting for who they want to win.
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I think its missing the point of the contest and just voting for who they want to win.
Still confusing looking at how Marisa and Reimu were voted out.
Unless of course the Western community just doesn't like them as much. Which...is weird because last I remembered Marisa and Reimu are characters everyone knows the most.
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Statistically speaking, I don't think you can necessarily call the voters of this contest an accurate representation of the "Western community".
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Its a very small sample isn't it? :/
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Still confusing looking at how Marisa and Reimu were voted out.
Unless of course the Western community just doesn't like them as much. Which...is weird because last I remembered Marisa and Reimu are characters everyone knows the most.
Well some people were like "i don't want Marisa to win and Momizi's really close so i'll just vote for Momizi instead". This is why most polls results are usually hidden until the person has made his/her vote.
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Ugh I really want to vote for Utsuho in this close round but I lost my chance to vote due to a technical error with computers...=(
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When a flat chested girl hugs you, she is holding you closer to her heart. <3 :D
pedo spotted. mods, can we get a ban here tia
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stuff
question. how can a huge flopping catfish that says "bwahaha i'm gonna destroy this puny land" and pretty much nothing else be moe
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question. how can a huge flopping catfish that says "bwahaha i'm gonna destroy this puny land" and pretty much nothing else be moe
It's 50% cat.
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That's like saying Kisume isn't moe because she's 50% bucket, in all honesty.
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That's like saying Kisume isn't moe because she's 50% bucket, in all honesty.
:wat:
It was a joke.
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I've been tracking the voting behaviour of people during this seimoe contest. All I can say is: people primarily vote for "moe" factors, which is for everybody subjective. When they are in doubt, they revert to popularity/fanboy or girl voting.
Example given: Patchouli won over Kyoko. Here even if both can be considered "Moe" in various ways, Patchouli will always hold the upper hand because "favouritism" and other factors (her being around longer etc).
Same could be said about match 11 where Daiyousei lost over Keine. Even Reisen failed it. Makes me wonder how a history teacher can be "moe" when even PMiSS states her lectures can be boring. It must be that "teacher-moe" thing or her chibi fanart.
Match 17, Yuyuko vs Yuuka classic. Ironic to see Yuuka winning in match 13 but not vs Yuyuko. Yuyuko, a silly also serious girl but don't see the moe part in her as a person who invokes death at her will.
TL DR, my conclusions:
- A lot of girls have the upper hand for being around longer. Favouritism is quickly used.
- Common fanon seems to rule more than personal opinions.
- Peer pressure seems to be in effect as well.
As I said to Suzuran, it is not his fault for the Seimoe contest going like this. He is just the host. But personally I would judge this contest as a fail, however still nice.
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Well, considering Saimoe voting was never fully about moe either...
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Catfish is delicious moe.
Stuff
And yet it's not surprising if you think about what moe factors Yuuka brings to the table. Zun's pun doesn't count.
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And yet it's not surprising if you think about what moe factors Yuuka brings to the table. Zun's pun doesn't count.
You missed the entire point of my post. But that is ok.
Well, considering Saimoe voting was never fully about moe either...
Indeed, that is the problem. The contest should force people to use their own opinion what they consider moe on a char and vote for it. Except we both indeed knew that was not going to happen. One may find glasses moe, another not. etc et etc.
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I know what you're saying; I'm just saying it's a bad example. :)
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I know what you're saying; I'm just saying it's a bad example. :)
Which one? I gave more than one.
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Indeed, that is the problem. The contest should force people to use their own opinion what they consider moe on a char and vote for it. Except we both indeed knew that was not going to happen. One may find glasses moe, another not. etc et etc.
well, there are lots things that can be moe depending on the person...
moe has different meaning for each person... ^^
anyways, why does anyone dont give votes for the dolls...
they're moe enough to even make almost all of the touhou chars that i know go cutesy and stuff...
quite heartbreaking... :(
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Which one? I gave more than one.
The Yuuka one.
Anyway, I agree there's bound to be an inherent problem (discounting people voting for other reasons because you can't change that) because after all, I still haven't seen a definition of moe that people can agree on. But it's all in good fun.
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The Yuuka one.
Well, it is true for me though. Weird voting is weird.
I still haven't seen a definition of moe that people can agree on.
Hmmm yes. Requires scientific research.
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As an honest supporter of Keine, admittedly for shall we say, impure reasons, I would personally say that a LOT of the votes there were blatantly more anti-Reisen than pro-Keine. If it were in my power I would concede the victory to the rabbit.
The contest should force people to use their own opinion what they consider moe on a char and vote for it.
This is simply not something that is possible at all, even with a secret ballot. Human beings would still rather borrow more "authoritative" definitions of moe, even if the "authority" is something like the M-1. I'd of course like people to look at my concept of it, which is all about possessiveness, but I honestly believe this to be a futile cause. (Yeah, if it wasn't obvious I was Myon before...)
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Which is the sad part when one places a vote. It becomes questionable if someone truly votes from his or her own opinion or not. Like I said: when people are in doubt, they more like seem to revert to favouritism or common public things.
Either way, I am extremely curious how Match 28 is going to result.
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I imagine a contest like this where people are forced to vote a certain way would be incredibly boring. I know I, at least, give no fucks about what constitutes the incredibly nebulous concept of 'moe'. It also gives people higher soapboxes from which to bitch when a result doesn't go their way.
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plus, i think...
most the votes are from supporters...
like, someone posted the link in their website or social site and said...
come on, support me, pls vote for this guy, here's the link...
you get the idea...
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My prediction for round 28:
This is literally anyone's match here. Though it anyone has the edge here it's Rika or Sariel.
But then there the Emsemble Dark Horse in the group..... THE CATFISH! (watch as the catfish become most moe chacter of the whole competion. :P )
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Suika - 82
Utsuho - 83
:o
Match 17, Yuyuko vs Yuuka classic. Ironic to see Yuuka winning in match 13 but not vs Yuyuko. Yuyuko, a silly also serious girl but don't see the moe part in her as a person who invokes death at her will.
Really, for characters like Yuyuko, the focal point is more about use and abuse of power or lack thereof. Heck, Yuyuko kills herself because she hates hers so much and it's pretty much an informed ability after that. She, Eirin, Yamame, and Hina (to name a few) all significantly limit or focus the use of the strengths and abilities they possess and how they are utilized. Then there are the characters that exploit them like Yukari. I have much more respect for the former group and thus more drawn to them. Maybe it doesn't translate directly to moe, but it doesn't hurt, especially with anyone who has a similar sentiment.
Also, I can see some favoritism going on, but not as much as I'd expect. There have been a number of matches in which I expected certain deserving characters to get a limited number of votes, only to find later that they've received far more than I or others had predicted. It might not translate to a win, but it's still nice to see.
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btw, i want to ask...
can i still use a code that hasnt been from the previous match..
like, if a got the vote code from the previous match and wasnt able to use it...
can i use it now?
and..
nothing much to expect from match 28...
since they all came from pc-98..
which most people that i know hasnt seen or played yet...
even if they were...
not much info was given to them...
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Unyu won!
Personally, I view this contest to be relatively successful, in regards to moe. Unless someone seriously wants to argue that Momiji and Chen are more popular than Marisa and Reimu. (This is what I'm telling myself to get over the fact that Marisa and Mokou lost. Mostly Mokou. Utsuho winning makes up for it though.)
Also, popularity and being someone's favorite is moe. It's easy to find characteristics that make a favorite character cute than an unknown one, and a disliked character will never be on top of the moe list.
Mind you, it's not the only deciding factor, but I can pretty much guarentee that we can find more people that would vote Kenpachi Zaraki than sukusuku hakutaku, if only because more people have heard of the former. But that just means more people find him moe than the puffball. (P.S. - Admittedly, I was mostly voting Keine because I find a number of the incarnations of ex-Keine to be incredibly moe.)
Anyway, go Rika!
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Eventhough Ellen is tragic character, she is also moe... I vote for her.
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Kenpachi Zaraki ... moe
No, I'm pretty sure he would lose a moe contest 90% of the time. :V It just doesn't work, man.
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Utsuho!!! I knew you'd pull through even without my vote! =D =D =D
Hmm I think I will vote for Ellen this round. Kinda on the fence though.
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UTSUHO IS NOT MOE
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
WHY DOES SEIMOE NOT HAVE INTELLIGENCE TESTS TO QUALIFY VOTERS?!
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Well, it is true for me though. Weird voting is weird.
It's a fucking moe contest, of course it's gonna be weird.
Well, that sure was a close match. But that's only appropriate. I wasn't sure initially whether I should vote for Suika or Utsuho, but decided for the latter. I'm happy that Okuu won, but I wouldn't have begrudged Suika the victory.
This round is rather slow, though, and I'm sure it's just because it's three PC-98 characters, that aren't Mima or Shinki, and a catfish. And I really don't know what to think of the catfish's lead...
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UTSUHO IS NOT MOE
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
WHY DOES SEIMOE NOT HAVE INTELLIGENCE TESTS TO QUALIFY VOTERS?!
Methinks you need to go over the scientific literature again, dear. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,5014.msg754666.html#msg754666)
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pedo spotted.
Uh oh. It seems I've been outed. :3
If that catfish gets more votes than Rika I won't be happy. People are voting for it just because it is the opposite of moe. If they knew about Evil Eye Sigma they'd vote for Rika.
Also... I think I forgot to vote last round. Sorry Suika...
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If people knew about Evil Eye Sigma, they'd vote for Evil Eye Sigma.
I don't have an appropriate way of showing the catfish in D2 this time :/
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Who the heck am I supposed to vote for today? Will we see one true joke match out of the first 32? Can said joke character reach ridiculous heights?
WHY DOES SEIMOE NOT HAVE INTELLIGENCE TESTS TO QUALIFY VOTERS?!
I remember seeing a chart comparing average IQ's per state and who the electoral votes for that state went to for U.S. president. Sources be damned, but I had quite the chuckle.
Digression impulse satisfied. Please continue on topic.
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Meiling vs Namazu final round for the
fate of gensokyo must happen
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Seems that Ellen finally overtook the catfish.
But said catfish still has more votes than Rika (well, and Sariel, but I don't care much about her).
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Methinks you need to go over the scientific literature again, dear. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,5014.msg754666.html#msg754666)
So who is more moe in your eyes, Pripyat or Utsuho?
One is a barren, irradiated, inhospitable wasteland, hostile to life, and the other is in Ukraine.
[ruro]It's not my fault that you're so dogmatic and biased that you refuse to accept scientific proof! :justasplanned:[/ruro]
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Some people really haven't grasped the idea that what they consider moe and what others consider moe can be different. Personally, I find neither Chen nor Momiji particularly moe, but apparently I'm in a very small minority.
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I forget who said this, but I attribute this as the most succint and concise explanation of moe: "Moe is what happens when your heart gets a boner."
It works! It works, doesn't it?
I don't find many Touhous moe either but if it comes down to moe-ish characteristics compounded with popularity, so be it
Except when Suika isn't massively crushing her opponents, because she is the very definition of the word
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No, I'm pretty sure he would lose a moe contest 90% of the time. :V It just doesn't work, man.
You know, now I'm regretting mentioning Kenpachi, because in some weird way I find him moe.
It's because his approach to most problems is to hit them harder. Somehow I find his whole outlook on life cute (/moe).
Maybe I'm missing something here...
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With what we know of them in canon, neither Suika or Okuu are moe. Suika is arrogant as fuck and talks people down by attacking their insecurities, and Okuu is violent and mad with power. If you have to choose between them you need to go into fanon and you'll find plenty there to set Okuu above Suika.
Meanwhile, today I'm torn between voting for fluffyhead Ellen (Hatarakimono scanlation where ;_; ) or a personal favorite, failvillain Rika. Ellen is more moe for sure but she's not technically a touhou character so I always feel weird treating her like an official part of the cast...
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I will always vote for Ellen above 98% of the cast. Like, Nazrin, Cirno, and Medicine are above her for me in terms of Moe.
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Frankly, I would vote Rika over Shinki.
Rika's a personal favorite.
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I guess Ellen's kind of moe but c'mon. Catfish.
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I had a
tank girl's dream that Rika would actually win this round. Now I'm just hoping she doesn't place dead last. Losing to Sariel? Really?
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This match was such a disappointment.
Not only does catfish not win, this round actually has the lowest voter turnout of the entire contest so far.
Nobody even bothered to try cheating.
Edit: And you guys can't accuse me of not giving the bros a chance, I gave you Unzan *AND* Rinnosuke as well, and neither advanced!
I knew I should have put ZUN in instead.
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I'm am sadden cause the catfish had so much potential to be Launchpad McQuack material.... Now this feels kinda... well..let me not get into that...
For this upcoming round:
This one is one of the more tougher matches though my speculations say we're going to see 2 people become dominate in it.
Byakuren and Orin. Both who I tend to favor quite well.
Lily White lacks much going for her other than her repetitious "It's Spring" stuff and Ichirin, while cute is mostly a spokes person for Unzan.
Byakuren (motherly traits, Messiah complex, ect) and Orin (association with the dead, Neko features, ect. ) both have many different traits going for them that'll likely pull them into the lead quickly. Thus why I see the two of them becoming dominate in this round. Who will win is anyone's guess.... (I still think Orin will win though)
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Rin is a cat. Byakuren is a direct accomplice to mass murder.
Not too tough a choice today.
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I love Byakuren because Byakuren is love and I love love and I love to love love, but love is blind and so is Ray Charles and I do not find Ray Charles to be moe.
Orin is a cat girl with an accent. That's good enough for me for this round.
Launchpad McQuack
Any mention from anyone of Launchpad McQuack earns a thumbs-up from me.
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Well... I vote for Lily in this round (maybe I have been reading too much Rapattu)...
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How can you not vote for a cat that turns into a cat?
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Lily is rather nondescript for me. Sure, she is kind of cute, but that's not enough and other than that... well, I've got nothing. Well, I guess the spring thing makes her moe somehow, since many plants start to "bud" there. Which is pretty much a stolen pun, which is awful and shouldn't not be used as reason to vote for her. But then again, I voted for Yuuka, so I probably should just shut up.
I don't care much for Ichirin. But then again, who does? She's just Unzan's hitbox, after all, and massively overshadowed by him. I wouldn't be surprised if she'll get less points than him. I guess, being overshadowed by a cloud (of all things) is kind of moe on it's own (in a "poor little thing" way), but it's not enough.
So, it comes down to the buddhist, who was quite a bitch a long time ago, but got better, and a corpse collector, who is a cat and is BFF with a cute (scientifically proven!) but stupid bird.
Well, Byakuren is actually kind of moe. If I were mean and maybe a bit cynical, I'd say it's mostly because of her naivety (which can be viewed as cute, at least), since she seriously thinks that humans and youkai can coexist. Actually, I say this despite not being mean, so there. Still, "moe" is not exactly something that comes to my mind when I think of Byakuren.
So, it will probably be Rin. She is a catgirl. That alone would be enough to win, since cat traits give quite a nice amount of moe points and the competition is rather weak. However, a few points get subtracted, since she also has human ears (seriously, two pairs of ears? What's up with that?), which also make me fear that the cat ears are actually fake, but since there is no evidence beside her human ears, I won't subtract more points. My impression of Rin has her as catgirl. Obvious, I know, but I think she also has a catgirl personality, at least what I imagine a catgirl to be. I can't really explain it, sorry. In any case, it gives her more moe points. Also, she and Utsuho (who won a a previous round) make good moe buddies.
So yeah, Orin it is. But the human ears are still fucking stupid.
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But the human ears are still fucking stupid.
But think of all the cool stuff she can hear. :V
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This match was such a disappointment.
Not only does catfish not win, this round actually has the lowest voter turnout of the entire contest so far.
Nobody even bothered to try cheating.
Edit: And you guys can't accuse me of not giving the bros a chance, I gave you Unzan *AND* Rinnosuke as well, and neither advanced!
I knew I should have put ZUN in instead.
Why would you want to give the bros a chance?
We're here for the girls. :P
EDIT: Rin isn't what I'd call moe. It's her profession that gets in the way.
Cat or not, an undertaker that takes joy from her work is creepy. Especially when she starts asking about your corpse.
I don't dislike creepy, but it's not moe.
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If you vote for Ichirin, you can do this
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/th_Screenshot019.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/?action=view¤t=Screenshot019.jpg)
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Hooray! Rika beat Sariel! We may have lost the war, but we've won the battle!
As for this round, I will deviate from my normal procedure of choosing the most loli character, and go with Orin. Maybe I'm weird, but creepiness is very moe to me. (And the fact that she gets a bunch of fairies to pretend to be undead for her is adorable.)
Any mention from anyone of Launchpad McQuack earns a thumbs-up from me.
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Voting for Orin over Byakuren is an offense punishable by death.
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Just like all those people that died when Byakuren led them directly to Murasa under the guise of stopping a youkai and turned a blind eye when they were drowning.
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That walking on water thing was a scam! She was walking on floating corpses. And you know what, Orin probably got some profit out of it too.
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Rin is a cat. Byakuren is a direct accomplice to mass murder.
Not too tough a choice today.
As a mass murderer I agree
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Speaking of Rin, it's probably worth pointing out that she took the initial action in SA to prevent mass destruction. Destruction from her own best friend that's far stronger than her, no less. That's some courage.
So who's more moe? The savior or the enabler?
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Speaking of Rin, it's probably worth pointing out that she took the initial action in SA to prevent mass destruction. Destruction from her own best friend that's far stronger than her, no less. That's some courage.
So who's more moe? The savior or the enabler?
The stage 4 mid-boss from PCB?
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Hm, Orin's definitely got my vote. Though, I was expecting that Lily White would put up more of a fight...
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Overshadowed character moe~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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I guess, it's not surprising that people think of Lily as more moe than Byakuren. Still, I thought that it will become more a Rin vs. Byakuren round.
I'm actually more curious whether Unzan's hitbox will get more votes than Unzan himself. So far, she is 13 votes behind.
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Ahahahahahaha.
No contest here.
Byakuren could easily win this one should Rin just not freaking exist.
Oh well. Gonna hope my heart out on this one.
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Voting for Orin over Byakuren is an offense punishable by death.
Yours, right =D? Orin appreciates the corpse contribution. Sorry you didn't make it to Otakon 2012 =D
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Byakuren could easily win this one should Rin just not freaking exist.
Considering that the votes for Byakuren and Lily are roughly even, I wouldn't say that.
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Not much to offer this round personally. I guess I'll be going for Lily since she's at least cute.
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Too bad the catfish didn't win.
Hopefully Lily White can win this...
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Next round is full of not so moe characters. Like normally I'd call a round for someone but I legitimately can't tell who would win this. Maybe Satori, she seems more niche than the others. Youmu is fairly popular but I don't think anyone thinks her to be all that endearing. Meanwhile Yoshika has the ditzy thing going, I mean if being dumber than Okuu is cute to you.
Yeah I have no clue, but I'm going to guess Satori. I'l vote for uh Youmu I guess, since she has that impossible to learn pressure thing going for her.
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I don't think Yoshika stands a chance. It'll be between Satori and Youmu. I predict a victory for Youmu, though it may be close. I'll be voting for Satori. She's cute, unique, and has a slight aura of tragedy, which is quite moe from my perspective.
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Definitely Satori. Everything is moe about her: her colors, her loneliness, her powers, and of course, her age appearance which I need not elaborate on.
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Even ignoring that Youmu is pretty damn popular in the grand scheme of 2hus and that fanon declared her "the softest", she was the main character in what is, far and away, the best chapter of OSP to date, and it was basically made to moe her up.
I would be genuinely surprised if she didn't win handily.
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My speculations for round 30:
This is going to by Youmu's and Satori's battle here. Most of the others don't stand a chance.
Youmu's got her youthful,cute appearance and her serious skills to boot (plus major character bonus). Satori has her animal lover's appeal and her very unique appearance.
Satori is one of the few Touhou characters to actually manage to get very far in the Japanese Touhou Saimoe. So I could see her doing the same here. As she's been the Ensmble Dark Horse.
I was going to consider Yoshika a Dark horse, but like all new charters, they don't usually get far without appering in doujins first. Even with her awesome derpiness.
So yeah Satori and Youmu will be the ones I think will be the focus here.
Also a vote for Satori from me. She always stood out more even to the softest. :P
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Next round is full of not so moe characters.
I'm going to venture a guess that Goliath Doll will get some votes just because, Satori will almost surely get a very respectable number of votes for equally respectable reasons, and Yoshika will get a fair number of votes because of how fun a character she can be but may still struggle with being one of the newer ones. Still,
But no, there was a pile of snow just in front of the door. And protruding from this snow pile were two swords and a leg.
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?Uhhh...? I could hear a voice coming from the snow pile.
?You can get out by yourself, I guess. But just what is it that you want? It?s still too early in the morning; I haven?t opened the store yet.?
?I-I can?t move... Can?t you at least help remove a little of this snow??
?If you can at least hear my voice, then you can state your business, for starters. I can help you after that, all right??
?Oooooh... Ohhhh...?
I removed some of the snow from around where I heard the voice. And there appeared the head of a silly-looking girl, the first one to ever receive the counterattack from the rooftop snow.
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?...So, if it were another matter, you would?ve left me like this? Honestly...?
?From now on, please visit the store in a more proper manner.?
A little while after I began removing the snow, she was able to move again and she freed herself from the pile. Maybe it was because of the ordeal she just went through, but when I opened the door, she entered after me with an embarrassed look on her face.
The girl, who goes by the strange name of Youmu Konpaku, started to shiver from the cold as soon as she entered the shop. She was wearing green from head to toe, with a broad and short skirt that seemed very cold. Her bobbed haircut looked excessively childish ? and the way she showed up was also quite childish.
Youmu's adorability is canon. It doesn't help that she's a half-ghost who's afraid of ghost stories. Such characteristics show up very frequently in fanon to boot. This should be a pretty big match.
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I voted for Satori... It is true that Youmu is adorable, but I like Satori a bit more.
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myon~
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I think I'll vote for Youmu, although that may seem like favoritism, her being one of my favorite characters and all. But similar to Lily, Yoshika is a bit nondescript to me (not as badly as Lily, though) and she is the only other one, I'd consider. Youmu has the whole "tries to be serious, but is actually pretty cute" thing going on. And then there is the dynamic with Yuyuko, who always reveals Youmu's cutest sides.
Yoshika, on the other hand, is pretty cute and a big eater. Well, and she looks also rather cute with Seiga, I guess. Not enough to make me vote for her, though.
Aside from looking cute, but not all that much so, I never saw anything moe in Satori. I can barely believe that she has so many votes already, while Yoshika has none.
Goliath Doll... Yeah, right. I'd rather pick Shanghai and I wouldn't even vote for that one.
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Even ignoring that Youmu is pretty damn popular in the grand scheme of 2hus and that fanon declared her "the softest", she was the main character in what is, far and away, the best chapter of OSP to date, and it was basically made to moe her up.
I would be genuinely surprised if she didn't win handily.
Such is true of nearly every single canon appearance Youmu has ever made. And she has made as many as Remilia, so that is a lot of canon moe. She is at once the most dedicated servant and the one least regarded by others. Her attitude toward her duty is that it doesn't matter whether she likes it or not (the answer is generally on the side of not), but only that she obeys the commands of her Lady. Now combine that with her tendency to jump into things without thinking and try to overcome them with raw effort...it is a recipe for adorable situations like the CoLA chapter cited before. Or Ghost Team's IN scenario. Or both her Fairies appearances. Or her Aya article. Or her SWR scenario. Et cetera. For her part, Yuyuko loves to put her samurai's seriousness to the test, but she does so without the cruelty of certain masters, so we actually get to see Youmu's reactions, which are, of course, moe as hell. The visual design being incredibly cute as well is just the cherry on top. Youmu is pretty much a Moe Elemental, and I believe there isn't a single Touhou who can stand against that.
"Hey wait what about that chick in your avatar"
Satori is indeed moe. So much so that she would win group 12. She just got a really shitty draw.
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Seems that it slowly becomes a rather even match (between Youmu and Satori, that his). That promises to be exciting.
Meanwhile, Goliath Doll has now a vote, while Yoshika still has none. I'm actually a bit tempted to cheat (not that I have any means to do so), just to get her one out of pity. I think being from Ten Desires, and with that a pretty new character, puts her at a disadvantage, since she isn't established like Youmu or even Satori.
Also, I just noticed that in the end Unzan's hitbox didn't manage to get more votes than Unzan himself.
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Ahh I wish ZUN had already published his next book. It is sure to contain canon moe material for Satori!
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For her part, Yuyuko loves to put her samurai's seriousness to the test, but she does so without the cruelty of certain masters, so we actually get to see Youmu's reactions, which are, of course, moe as hell.
That too. I always thought Yuyuko sent Youmu out for incident resolution and treated her in such a way so that Youmu could see the world a bit and to help her ease away from her glaringly straight-laced and serious mindset. I thought the whole IN scenario thing was meant to show this along with Yuyuko's sense of humor. Regardless of the situation and outcome, Youmu winds up looking pitifully cute anyway. She DOES get a lot of tough love from Yuyuko, though.But similar to Lily, Yoshika is a bit nondescript to me (not as badly as Lily, though) and she is the only other one, I'd consider.
Really, Yoshika's schtick relies heavily on how much of a :derp: she is. If you think that such a characteristic gives her a unique and funny personality, then she can work for you. If not. then you probably won't find her as interesting as others.
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That too. I always thought Yuyuko sent Youmu out for incident resolution and treated her in such a way so that Youmu could see the world a bit and to help her ease away from her glaringly straight-laced and serious mindset. I thought the whole IN scenario thing was meant to show this along with Yuyuko's sense of humor. Regardless of the situation and outcome, Youmu winds up looking pitifully cute anyway. She DOES get a lot of tough love from Yuyuko, though.
I was going to vote for Satori, even though Youmu is my most favorite character, but after reading this and your earlier quote I'm going to vote for Youmu.
myon~
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Bah, yet another match where I want to vote for all four characters, and, as a result, yet another match that makes me wish I could have vomited all over Match 26.
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Youmu winning, not surprised.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Ghost_Team%27s_Extra
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Story/Extra_Story
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th13Youmu.png
Yep, not surprised.
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I'd say this is unfolding just as I predicted. Now to make a prediction for next round. Gee, I really don't know who could possibly win this, but something tells me she'll get more votes than all the others put together.
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Yeah Youmu's win here was almost a given with her constant returning. But at least Satori stood up pretty well which I'm glad...
Round 31 prediction:
At this point, there is no serious competion for this round and possibly the next.
Remillia has this one in the bag literally. Charisma, youthful vampire, elegant spoiled child personality. And she's been a reoccurring charter on the most point.
The only person who even has a chance to be competitive is Yumemi, but I doubt she'll even come remotely close to winning. Yeah this match very one sided and Remillia will be dominate.
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First vote was for Yumemi. At least we can say that she was leading at some point in this round.
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Early days, I know... But do I see Okazaki TYING with Remilia?
Call me a hopeless idiot... But I'd love it if Okazaki beats her! May not happen when everyone else comes in, but boy what a surprise that would be~ <3
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Gee, I really don't know who could possibly win this, but something tells me she'll get more votes than all the others put together.
I agree, but Remi may very well struggle in later matches. I think it's safe to say that she is amongst the more divisive characters in Touhou, and if you take any given fan, their opinion of her is far more likely to be resoundingly positive or negative. The ones who enjoy her most will certainly support her, but there will almost certainly be detractors who will actively vote against her as well. Characters like Aya and Yukari are similar in that they tend to be on the divisive side and could receive similar treatments to varying degrees. I'd venture a guess to say that characters like Meiling, Kogasa, and maybe Hina, who are more difficult to dislike from a general perspective, are much less likely to get anti-votes in the next round. If these characters are matched up, it could result in a couple dozen spanners in the works for the more divisive characters.Early days, I know... But do I see Okazaki TYING with Remilia?
Call me a hopeless idiot... But I'd love it if Okazaki beats her! May not happen when everyone else comes in, but boy what a surprise that would be~ <3
I wholeheartedly support this sentiment.
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I'll vote for Kurumi, that was moe before Remi was introduced...
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Even if she weren't a popular recurring character, Remilia still has a clear advantage over the others: She is a Windows character. With barely anybody giving a fuck about PC-98 characters, her victory is a given.
As hopeless as it is, I still voted for Kana.
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No points for guessing my vote.
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It's Yama Time! (http://youtu.be/IAgBo8Ytlag)
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Geez, for whom should I vote? None of them seem particularly moe (except may be Mofuji, but there is no way in hell that I vote for a fan-made... puffballization). I'm leaning towards Ran, though.
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WTF is a Mofuji.
Um.... Oh well. Eiki it is for me then.
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This (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=mofuji) is a Mofuji.
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Even though I like the fluffy Mofuji, I will vote for motherly Ran...
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Canonically Ran is the one that's 8000 times more likely to eat your eye sockets.
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Kilga, it's been too long since I last saw you with that ReverseNoise Yama avatar again.
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My prediction for the final round of the first set of rounds:
Ran most likely is going to have an edge over the others. Mainly for being part of the Yakumo house hold and fox tails thus appearing to many. And her motherly personality in the fanon-verse.
The Yama has more interesting traits in the fanon-verse (petite sized, big authority) than she does in her canon -verse (decides your soul's fate wether it be heaven or hell) . She probably won't edge out over Ran.
Course my assemble Dark horse for this round: Mima! Why? She's is probably the most recognized PC-98 character out of the entire PC-98 roster. She's the only one who is known to be both fearsome and awesome but of course also the ONLY character who most of base WANTS to have come back. But no matter what, ZUN never allowed her the chance.
Course because of the fan's desires, she may actually pull a surprise attack here.
Course my view says regardless Ran will probably prevail by the end of round.
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I judge Shiki to be the most moe here. Unfortunately I doubt the verdict will be in her favor.
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If Siki doesn't win, I'll vote Ran.
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Looks like Ran is likely to win, but please let Shiki beat Mima!
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Eiki-sama has last thing to say to you people:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u5e70w.png)
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I just can't see any moe in Eiki. She's badass, but not moe.
I'm voting Mima. Vengeful spirit turned friendly, with a surprisingly cute lack of feet. It seems the PC-98 has a chance this time!
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Eiki-sama has last thing to say to you people:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u5e70w.png)
Oh, Eiki, you've got such a fantastic mindset, but at the same time at this rate I'll never be able to shake the idea of you being a stick-in-the-mud killjoy.
If things pan out as they have been, I'll have 21 matches with an outcome that I can be satisfied with, but not so much with the other 11. That's a pretty good result overall, and considering the top 4 characters that I wanted to make it past the first round have done so, my bracket has shaped up better than I could've hoped in many regards.
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*Wake up
*6 minutes remaining in match
*tied
Well, I think I'll vote now.
EDIT: P.S. - My vote may tie the wagons, so it would be super awesome if we could find one more Mima fan in the next 3 minutes.
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Avoided the ultimate disaster by one vote. Thank $DEITY.
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Avoided the ultimate disaster by one vote. Thank $DEITY.
Unyu?
What do you have against Mima?
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Nameless Fairy broke the time...
So close...
Cheers for Ran~!
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Yeah, that was me.
Didn't want to bother with nicknames with under a minute :P
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So Ran won on overtime it seems.
I wonder how many who voted for Mima actually think she's moe.
I am one of the people hoping for Mima's return but no matter how i look at it she's not moe.
Kinda the same deal with Yukari, they are pretty devious toying with people being badass and such.
Which are kinda anti-moe qalities imo. :wat:
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Yeah I'm actually kinda staggered by how many votes she got, and I like Mima.
Thankfully FLUFFY RANTAILS won in the end.
Anyway, next round is when shit gets real; there probably won't be any easy brackets from now on.
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Except for whatever match Ellen is in.
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Underhyped wins over overhyped.
Victory o/
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Avoided the ultimate disaster by one vote. Thank $DEITY.
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All vote checking completed, round two bracket is up.
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While it ought to be the final match, I'm ok with whatever happens in round 45. Better now than never, anyway.
Still pulling for mom, of course.
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In many ways, the brackets are shaping up for the characters I like best. Then there's
Kogasa Tatara vs. Yuuka Kazami
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1464/tumblrlidmc1tuiz1qgbp48.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/tumblrlidmc1tuiz1qgbp48.jpg/)
Hang in there, Kogasa-san.
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>:( AAARRGGH! I fell asleep before I could vote for Mima! I did the same thing to Suika, but I actually cared about this round! (I presonally find Mima to be quite moe). I'll recoever from this though. I like Ran too I guess.
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Oh god why Alice ;_;
Hey, Suzu? Can I advance vote for Koishi? I won't be here as I'll be in Cuba x.x
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Hey I'd like to think Ellen can beat food. She's got an extremely naive pollyanna outlook, a cute outfit with a big ribbon, and a silly forgetful personality.
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First match is for two characters I'm not all that interested in... Hm.
Maybe I should keep from voting this round.
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I'll be in Cuba x.x
As in south of Florida?
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SO CLOSE!! This was going to be the surprise turn around I was hoping for, but fell short....
The ensemble dark horse (ghost?) lost. Shame...
Looking at round 2's brackets this is shaping up with some no brainers and some really intense matches.
My list of noteworthy matches for series 2 include:
Alice vs. Koishi
Keine vs. Nitori
Rin vs. Yukari
Sanae vs. Utusho
Aya vs. Ran
Flan vs. Nue
and
Kogasa vs. Yukka
These matches should be very intense. So I'm looking forward to how these matches play out.
The rest seem very one sided.
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As in south of Florida?
:V
Either way, I won't have internet, so is it alright to reserve a vote for Koishi already? D:
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I guess, but I'm only doing this once. Make sure you remember to not vote.
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Can I prevote for the several hundred millions of Africans without internet but really, really like little girls?
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No.
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But they don't have internet to cast their vote either ;_;
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This is a sad time to be an internetless African. :(
Also poor Koishi.
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What is this thread about? I don't get it. You vote for what?
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Apparently not moe.
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What is this thread about?
Africans that really, really like little girls.
Alternatively you could check the fist page i guess.
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No.
in complete off topic thing (maybe not, implies cute) i ended the Emergency Kitten Touhou style. no great thing, except CHEN. is in the drawing thread.
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in complete off topic thing (maybe not, implies cute) i ended the Emergency Kitten Touhou style. no great thing, except CHEN. is in the drawing thread.
So it's for an emerCHENcy?
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So it's for an emerCHENcy?
yea, and the alarm sounds like Chen of course.
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I guess, but I'm only doing this once. Make sure you remember to not vote.
thanks a bunch, I wouldn't be able to anyways since I'll be on the plane and no internet whatsoever until MAYBE Tuesday at most x.x
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It begins!
The next round of Seimoe has started, so here's the round up ATM.
Koishi vs. Alice
Koishi
Pros: Cute, younger sister personality, plus stalker bonus for hiding via subconscious, very interesting character with a rather complicated storyline, spell card themed around Frudian concepts.
Cons: Fanon material can sometimes make her unappealing, again, spell cards with Frudian concepts can turn off some, some may not enjoy the stalker type that hide her presence
Alice:
Pros: Magician with Doll based spell cards, calm, collective personality (Canon), Tsundere Perosonality / love interest ([somewhat] Fanon), been around longer in Touhou.
Cons: Her canon personality is known to turn off some if they been overdosed to her(somewhat) fanon personality, same can be said in the reverse about her (somewhat) fanon personality, can be viewed as obnoxious to some.
My advantage say Alice will have the edge in this contest. Mainly because of her traits that show through her game and story material which has made her a very appealing charter. Especially due to her dolls. Together they create a unique appeal that we know and love about Alice, the puppeteer magician.
Koishi is also lovable yes, she's been a character that I have known to enjoy for a while now. Especially because of her spell card that center around Frudian concepts and psychological theories (truly creative stuff)
But I feel that no matter what Alice still wins in terms of moe appeal for her personality traits that have developed over the ages. So my vote will go to Alice.
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Okay... Now this thing is getting serious. Anyway, I will vote for Alice in this round.
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Voting for Koishi. Shes way more fun and cheerful in my eyes.
Alice to me is about as interesting as white bread.
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Your subconsious never lies. You should all listen to it.
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*looks at matchups*
Time to break some brackets. Hey, guess who makes a better catblob than an actual cat does? YEAH. Myon-myon supremacy~
As for today, I'm for Koishi, of course.
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Agh tough round this time. Koishi is very cute, but if I take fanon into consideration, I must also consider a certain heart-throbbing version of Koishi. That said, Alice it is.
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I find myself refreshing the status page simply to see how the match is proceeding. It's been tied twice, Koishi has been in the lead by a slim margin twice, and Alice has been in the lead by a vote once. Quite the match thus far.
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It's taken some doing, but I've trained myself to ignore fanon Alice competely. I vote for the true Alice: the cutie pie with dolls and magic.
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It's taken some doing, but I've trained myself to ignore fanon Alice competely. I vote for the true Alice: the cutie pie with dolls and magic.
True Alice is a deadpan snarker with self-esteem issues.
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True Alice is a deadpan snarker with self-esteem issues.
Aka shyness moe.
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Aka shyness moe.
She doesn't look shy to me.
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Aka shyness moe.
Alice ain't scared of people. What she is afraid of is her own weakness. The most likely source is her getting her face pushed in by Yuuka in MS extra.
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Well this round looks to be voting properly at least. Fanon Alice is anti-moe.
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http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/973054/ (SFW except for the ads, maybe)
Keine heart attack-inducing moe, go!
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Well Alice is the victor for this round which pleases me.
Anyways time for the next round:
Keine vs. Nitori
Keine
Pros: Teacher, historian, has were-hakutaku form as an added bonus. Nice color scheme for both forms. Fluffy tail for hakutaku form. Unique companion affair with Mokou
Cons: Very strict no non-sense type may turn off some, same can apply to head butting students, being CAVED (memetic fanon)
Nitori:
Pros: Cute mechanic, Shyness factor, lush color scheme fitting her aquatic theme, some degree of companionship for Marisa, cucumber appeal.
Cons: Kappa myths may turn some away, some feel she takes away from Marisa's magician crew (though that's debatable)
Advantage: Nitori
Course despite that, I will state my vote for who I choose.
Keine has always appealed to me as she's one of the few charters that I think of that belongs in the mature charter list. Her teacher complex is what make her both mature and a very appealing character in general. It's what I love in a charter is one who is there to help, protect and be a guide. She's sort of fits in the casual, but noteworthy tier in Touhou characters. Sure she can be rough with you as a teacher, but it's sometinhg I like about her. The aggressive, yet caring type. And probably one of the few charters with some interesting fanon material that usually focuses on her an Mokou in general always made her a worth while charter.
Nitori is cute, she's fun, and has a bunch of appealing things about her. She has a nice set of colors that fit her theme nicely and being a kappa with a knack for engineering is always a bonus. She always comes across to me as the cute shy mechanic which I find fun. And while her companionship with Marisa is interesting, I can't help but ask why does kappa become part of a magician harem, it's probably the only thing that I keep wondering about her. That and her youthfulness (which is why I tend to favor more mature charters most of the time unless there's something special about them)
Because of this, my vote is for Keine.
For the glory of the Teacher of the Human Village!
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Rather fascinating (and detailed) comparison from Totaku...
Anyway I will vote for Nitori... Even though Keine is cute (especially the Sukusuku hakutaku) and
I really like the way the fanon normally potraits her - I still think Nitori is more "moe"...
Hint: Nitori's Moe song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjTMFk7FhxU)!
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Hydro Camouflage, Extending Arm, a cute little backpack. Where do they come from, and where are they going? These things... I cannot resist.
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Nitori's other song. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rUxakzK4TM)
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Even ignoring the fact that I would vote for Nitori over Keine in a vacuum, revenge must be taken for Reisen's loss.
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Even ignoring the fact that I would vote for Nitori over Keine in a vacuum, revenge must be taken for Reisen's loss.
Exactly! 8)
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Yesterday's match seemed to go rather well. It was very close for the majority of the time until Alice seemed to take over during the course of the last 8 hours of the day. Lots of lead changes. There's also been an increase in voter participation which is real nice to see, too.
It looks like this is the only match outside of #38 that I might have a spot of trouble deciding who to vote for since Keine's a perennial favorite while Nitori's a fellow engineer. Outside of today, my favorites are all matched up against my not-so-much favorites.
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Love Keine and both Nitori, however for this round, Nitori is going to get my vote. Shy kappas as so cute. :ohdear:
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I would prefer if Keine won since she is unquestionably superior in all objective and subjective categories, but I can't stay mad at Nitori. <3
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Well, I try to vote accordingly to the guideline (as in, moe), so of course I voted for Nitori. I don't really see anything cute in Keine.
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Well Nitori won that as I so predicted, sad that Keine couldn't even make it even close to here, but I did say Nitori had the Advantage...
Today's Match!
Hina vs. Lunasa
Hina
Pros: Unique hair style, gothic lolita style dress, constantly spinning, ribbons
Cons: Being a cursed god can make her feel unappealing, Unique hair style can be a turn off to some.
Lunasa
Pros: Musician, Oldest sister, calm personality
Cons: Really doesn't stand out too much without the other sisters in play.
Advantage: Hina
Hina was probably one of the few charters I enjoyed during her MoF debut. Mainly because she was the most animated character to date at that time, Always spinning as she moved. It made her feel really unique, plus her dress and hair style really help bring out Hina's moe appeal because her design and goth lolita style complimented each other while her spinning motion just gave her the very appeal feel to her. It's difficult to describe. But I know it's what made Hina truly stand out even back in MoF.
Lunasa while a very good musician is however not too good without Lyrica and Merlin around. She may be the oldest, she may have a calm personality and she may have nice looks, but really the Prisimriver Sisters are bland by themselves, they only stand out when the whole trio is in play. Sadly this is a moe charter contest, so pretty much I don't see Lunasa getting a chance here (she was lucky back in round 1)
So yeah I'm expecting Hina to win and will vote for Hina in the process.
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Lunasa or Hina... Well, I vote for Hina.
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I couldn't decide. Yeah, I had absolutely no idea who I should vote for. I actually planned to skip this round, but I wanted to vote for someone. So yeah, I pretty much voted for the sake of voting. I decided which one I should choose by flipping a coin. So, should Lunasa win with a margin of one vote, blame it on one of my 2 cent coins (but it seems unlikely that she even has a chance).
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I'm voting for Lunasa. Violinists are cute, especially if they are poltergeists. Goth lolis are cute too, but I prefer them black instead of red.
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Hina won the previous round as expected: She didn't have any serious competition.
Next up!
Yuyuko vs. Sunny Milk
Yuyuko:
Pros: Elegant personality, cheerful looks, Ghost princess, themed around Cherry Blossoms, fine taste in food, butterfly danmaku
Cons: Being the ghost of death may make her unappealing, backstory is somewhat tragic, being a big eater may turn off certain fans.
Sunny Milk:
Pros: Cute Fairy, Cute Fang, cute bossy attitude (based on the fairy trio), mischievous behavior
Cons: Being part of a very minor group of characters, who while have a amusing manga, aren't very well noticed outside (except through Fairy Wars) thus likely to not get much attention.
Advantage: Yuyuko
Let's face it, this is another contest that feels like it's going to be another one-sided senario
We have the ghost princess of the Netherworld, vs. the (supposed) leader of a trio of faires who loves to play pranks on everyone.
Yuyuko is one of those few character that I feel can be very moe in both appearance and character. She a ghost who servers as a princess of the Netherworld and maintains the sprites in that area. What I find most appealing about Yuyuko is her overall appearances. Lush blue Kimono, pink hair, it really fits her, always teasing Youmu and coming across and a kind and gentle character. She's also one of the few characters that I label as a "tragic figure" mainly due to how she had suffered through life only to find peace through her death but to only forget about her life. Which of course lead to the PBC incident eventually.
Course being a princess, she also have a fine taste in food as seen through the mangas and tends to be quite amusing compared to the memetic big eater complex she gain thanks to IN's senario.
Regadless, she hold a special place as being the kind, gentle, princess of the Netherworld a suitable feature for being moe~
Sunny has got a nasty uphill battle here. Cause while the 3 faires are awesome, they mainly depend on each other for this affect just like the prism river sisters. Thus the only thing Sunny has to go on is her looks and her rather bossy leader personality. In deed she's cute and moe that way, but I don't think it's going to help her when she's standing up to a well known figure who has been around long enough and appeared enough to establish her character very well through several games.
So yeah this is going to be a conflict between the a fairy who's mainly appeared in a manga for a few years and a game vs a ghost princess who's appeared in several games and a few mangas over the years.
I see no competion here for Yuyuko
Yuyuko get my vote.
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Sunny got the first vote. At least she can say she held the lead at one point.
It's a shame more people don't read the 3F stories. I myself have only meaningfully delved into OSP and even that's been enough for me to warm to them as much as I disliked GFW. Entertaining stuff.
I get the distinct feeling I'm going to be voting against Yuyuko for a number of rounds, though. :(
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Eventhough I like the three fairies, I still have to vote for the generic moe-blob Yuyuko.
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It's hard for me to choose, since I am honestly not properly familiar with Sunny. I may refrain from voting, or maybe I'll vote for Sunny, but it probably won't matter either way.
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It's hard for me to choose, since I am honestly not properly familiar with Sunny. I may refrain from voting, or maybe I'll vote for Sunny, but it probably won't matter either way.
It might be worth it to vote anyway. There have been a number of matches in which characters that seem to have been doomed simply by who they were pitted against. They've still managed to receive a respectable number of votes even if they weren't necessarily major contenders in the first place. Still, you'll only get the full effect with a character you enjoy a lot.
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Sunny looks more moe appearance-wise by a bit, but it's not quite enough to make me vote for her this time.
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I voted for Sunny just so she could have more votes. This next round though...
Rin has to win. I really hope she does anyway.
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Y'know, I used to think Yukari was a complete monster who abuses her powers and her friends. Then there was that time in one of the stories involving the three fairies in which she slips some money into Reimu's donation box. It was a very epiphanic moment and it helped me realize that is Yukari is only almost a complete monster who still abuses her powers and her friends.
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Old hag or traffic accident? Well... I think Rin deserves a vote.
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You all know there's only one valid choice :|
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This is almost unfair.
Though borderhaxlady is ok, Rin it should be.
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My vote goes for super moe moe Yukarin. :V
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Ok obviously Yuyuko won last night's match which is always good.
So let me move on with the Analysis:
Orin vs. Yukari
Orin:
Pros: Cat girl, corpse carrier (who are into that kind of thing), caring personality, Nice color scheme, can change into a cat
Cons: Being center around being a corpse carrier can be a turn off, chaging into a cat can also be a turn off factor for some
Yukari:
Pros: ability to use gaps, mature personality and appearance, detailed back story through game's history (from EoSD to present), god like capabilities, caring for her world
Cons: ability to use gaps, simply being a mature person can turn off some, trolling others (Reimu especially), laziness
Advantage: Orin
This is one of those fights that almost turned out to be dead even to my eyes. But I have a feeling I know how the fans will vote here.
Anyways, Yukari has always struck me as a VERY important figure not only in Touhou but in the world of Gensokyo in general. Thanks to PMiSS, we had very nicely detailed report on her and her role. She practically is more of less Gensokyo's caretaker, and had pretty much organized a lot of things since prior to it's existence. It's way to much for me to go into details here. But to put it in the shortest way possible. Yukari ultimately cares about Gensokyo in the end. She just has a very abstract way of showing it. She is also another one of the mature figures as well considering she's been around for probably longer than anyone else. This has always been a plus for me.
The only thing that may make or break Yukari's moe factor is her trolling personality she sometimes displays, and her laziness.
Orin on the other hand is have a strong advantage appearance wise. Cat girls obviously have a strong lead here. Other than that though we can look at how her role was like from SA and so forth. Pretty much Orin has shown to truly care about the situation that occurred in the underground during SA's incident enough to send dead sprits up from the underground to alert everyone that she needed help. She just didn't expect the help to be a bunch of humans.
She also has a love for collecting corpses which is probably the make or break factor for her since some people may or may not enjoy that kind of thing. And the fact she can change into a cat is also a double edge sword to some parts of the fan base. It all depends....
Course I think despite these factors, I feel most will lean to Orin's favor because of who she is and what she did. Since I feel most will likely disregard Yukari's historical role through the series's history.
As for me though, Yukari gets my support: Cause again, mature refined women get my vote more easily. Even if she is a lazy troll, she's still got a lot going for her here. Here's hoping she'll succeed.
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yukari is losing only because she's facing up against a cat girl
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You all know there's only one valid choice :|
>Valid choice
>Traffic accident
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
and I agree!
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lol someone voted for Koishi.
Just won't let her go...
Oh its 13TheDeath on DA. I know YOU!
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yukari is losing only because she's facing up against a cat girl
Or maybe Yukari, while an interesting character, is an old hag who probably smacks her lips while talking about the old days when she was moe, whereas Orin is a fresh catgirl who's extremely happy and carefree while still being dutiful and thusly embodies many aspects of traditional moe.
>Valid choice
>Traffic accident
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
and I agree!
Did I pun by accident? I'm not sure I get it :\
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Yukari is one of my favoritest characters ever, but I don't think she's really all that moe. :P
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Well, I'm glad that at least one of the two smug know-it-all hags is getting knocked out this round.
I need to change my sig here to match my sig on the talkhaus.
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I've stopped bothering to actually vote most of the time. It's more fun just to listen to the trashtalking. ^_^
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Looks like Rin's got this round, and Patchy should easily win the next one, but Chen vs. Youmu should be interesting.
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Did I pun by accident? I'm not sure I get it :\
Invalid = handicapped, which often happens after a traffic accident...
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Getting an early start on tomorrow, it's gonna be a tough battle.
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Invalid = handicapped, which often happens after a traffic accident...
That is such an extreme stretch I'm not even going to claim it :|
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Suzuran hasn't come on, but I went ahead and started round 38 for him.
Patchouli vs. Yamane
Patchouli
Pros: Magician, Librarian, catch phase "Muyku", bookworm, frail body
Cons: Frail body can be a turn off to some.
Yamane
Pros: Spider, confident personality, nice spider color scheme.
Cons: Being a spider youkai can be a turn off, lacking in some feature being a stage 1 boss.
Advantage: Patchouli
This is going to be one of those battles that will likely end one sided. I mean simply because Patchouli has much more of a developed charter compared to Yamane, both canon and fanon wise.
Yamane may be probably the best stage 1 boss I've seen, but I doubt she can stand up to a frail mage who's magic is noteworthy and also has an adorable catchphrase. There really isn't much Yamae can do as she only seems to fit in a particular group of fan bases.
Patchouli on the other hand has a much great field open to her. Mainly because of her status as being a librarian, a magician, a (somewhat) hikkimori, and saying Mukyu on some occasions. Even her frailness gives her some points.
This one's a no brainer here.
Patchouli has this battle in the bag.
Vote going for Patchouli!
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I voted for Yamame... Even though Patchu is as cute as Yamame (even cuter), Yamames
motherly acts towards Kisume in fanon made me give vote for her.
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Yamame
Cons: lacking in some feature
Do I need to go through Danbooru and Pixiv to demonstrate that Yamame is in no way lacking any "feature"?
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What like legs? I'm pretty sure Yamame has legs...
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I mean, Patchy has her own Osu! skin, so my vote is definitely not changing.
You could even say it's unmoving.
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Well the match is almost done, Patchouli's pretty much going to proceed to the next round.
Today we have a day off for Christmas. Next match will proceed on the 26th.
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Acidus tells me that tits and ass don't count as a moe features.
Sry guys.
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Okay... This round was relatively easy to choose: Chen!
I don't think you can compare Youmu to Chen...
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This should be interesting; I really can't say who's going to win this time. I'm voting for Youmu myself.
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Gotta vote for Youmu again. She really earns it.
Acidus tells me that tits and ass don't count as a moe features.
Sry guys.
I won't let it count against a character, but at the same time, I've been in a relationship with a girl who loved her tits more than she did me, so I can't bring myself to allow such assets to count in a character's favor, either.I've stopped bothering to actually vote most of the time. It's more fun just to listen to the trashtalking. ^_^
I confess to such actions. Still, I've also advocated for characters in a positive manner and also encouraged one or two people to vote against one of my faves simply because her opponent was clearly losing and I felt said loser was worthy of a few additional votes. I'll still sling mud at any character that seems undeservedly popular and gets her kicks from being an abusive, deceptive, self-centered jerk, though.
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Well we're back! Time to begin the next round so:
Chen vs. Youmu
Chen
Pros: Cat Girl, member of the Yakumo family, youthful and high spirited
Cons: Hasn't appear in much material except 1 game and a few comics.(Canon wise), being so hyper can be very frustrated (at least it was for me)
Youmu
Pros: Loyal, Devoted, Young, skilled sword fighter, serious determination, yet can still be childish, afraid of ghosts (?!), appeared in a large numbers of games through the Touhou series as well as comics, Major character potential, half ghost, ghost half has potential to be considered a moe trait to Youmu (fanon and Canon)
Cons: Probably her fear of ghost may turn off some who expected Youmu to be fearless. Constrasting behavior between her serious side and her childish side might turn off some. (?)
Advantage: Youmu
Last fight battle that Chen had threw me off guard because I didn't' see Chen making it past round 1. Yet somehow she managed to beat Reimu Hakurei. Then I remembered that most of the western fokes don't see Reimu all that moe because of her rather ignorant and selfish personality (personally I consider it a trademark for her). This part of the fan base always puzzled me. So when Chen won against Reimu, I was kinda upset and shocked. But now it's time to see how she can stand up to someone who's been gaining many moe traits over the last year!
When it comes down to it, Chen only has her cat girl looks going for her along with her cuteness factor. Basic traits that seem to be playing a key role among the cat girls. But really that can only go so far to my view. Even as a member of the Yakumo household, it doesn't change much. I can't see Chen making much headway this round since her character is kinda well "limited"
Youmu on the other hand has a tremendous amount of potential! She has more to her than you may expect. On the basics, she appears and a serious minded girl with devoted loyalty to the princess of the dead, and a nasty sword skills to boot. But over the years as Youmu returned on way or another, Youmu has shown to have more special things about her than we first thought. She has a more cute, childish side under that sword fighting exterior, she still is shown to be still inexperienced despite being rather good at fighting. Her ghost half has lead to much potential for both fanon material and some canon stuff which boosted Youmu's moe. And above all else in SOP, we learn about Youmu's discomfort around ghosts a rather odd yet surprisingly moe trait.
Really this girl has continue to developed so much fanon and canon wise that I wouldn't be surprised if she makes it to semi-finals at this rate! Youmu's been full of promise since day one, but I would of never expected her to become so....moe~
I cannot see chen even getting close to winning this match. It would shock me if she did.
So yeah, Youmu gets my vote.
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With Youmu having this one in the bag, I can again only hope that Ellen should be able to beat out Mystia of all characters. Like yeah, if Ellen were against a more relevant character she might have some competition but I will be very disappointed if Misty takes this next round,
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Tough choice... I gave my vote for Ellen...
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AND A FINE CHOICE INDEED.
I mean, how can you say no to this (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23387198)?
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Chen took more of a beating than I expected, though I probably should have realized Youmu couldn't lose.
For this round I'm voting Mystia for two main reasons:
1. Mystia is a Touhou character.
2. For some reason, (possibly becuase she's been trolling me in my recent PoDD runs), I'm really not very fond of Ellen.
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Time for my analysis on round 40!
Mystia vs. Ellen
Mystia
Pros: Night Sparrow, singer, unique spellcards, shown to be extremely carefree and not very bright, skilled cook, romantic relations (extremely Fanon)
Cons: Her carefree and illiterate behavior is a possible turn off, romantic relations may turn off some (based on the report of a certain bird lover), being subject to being labeled as food (again, a certain bird lover would call on this)
Ellen
Pros: Witch, slight hairheaded-ness, being based of a witch with the same name that comes from a manga, looks notably identical to said charter, owns a cat
Cons: Not appering in many games, being based on a certain charter may make her less interesting.
Advantage: This could be anyone's game here! But I think Mystia has the edge in this
This is indeed what could be labeled as an odd match.
One on side you have a night sparrow who is notable for her charter and some what silly antics that involve grilled lamprey, and on the other side we have the ONLY PC-98 charter still surviving who is more or less based off of a witch from a manga that has the same name.
Both have very interesting appeals and weaknesses that put them on the spot and at this point.... well I know I'd be shocked if Ellen wins, but she just may have a shot at it here. Assuming the moe features of both really play a key role here.
Mystia main strong points are of course her back story and personality behavior that she has been involved in. Which of course includes her lamprey stand. But of course I know certain people would find her very appealing too (think of a certain person who's name is based on a "Shape" and his obsession on mystia), but like I said there are many weak-points to her too that can be a turn off too (also pointed out by the same guy)
Ellen while kind of a bland character, has plenty of moe traits despite this factor, all because of who's she's based off of. But at the same time she only appeared once, and as mentioned is also based off of a witch by the same name in a manga so technically she's more of a shout out to the manga more than anything else.
The last statement about who's she's based off of is the only reason that made me switch my vote away from her. and also the main reason I see Mystia having the advantage here despite having a near equal stand on things.
Course if Ellen wins this match... then I will probably mark her a potential "Esemble Darkhorse" (sadly there are no Launchpad McQuacks to pull an outrageous upset with since they all lack maximum trolling potential)
So yeah,, I'm voting for Mystia here. Cause I think she had the edge.
We'll see how Ellen does. :P
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I'm not sure I would describe Mystia as idiotic, considering she did come up with that lamprey con.
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I'm not sure I would describe Mystia as idiotic, considering she did come up with that lamprey con.
Idiotic may have been a bit strong of a word when I think about it.... Illiterate would of been better though. Because it's been confirmed that she can't read a newspaper if my memory serves correctly.
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Come on Fluffyhead, don't lose to food!
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Idiotic may have been a bit strong of a word when I think about it.... Illiterate would of been better though. Because it's been confirmed that she can't read a newspaper if my memory serves correctly.
Not anymore, as of Oriental Sacred Place, she is now literate. She probably took some classes at Youkai School.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/touhou_sangetsusei_oriental_sacred_place/v02/c013/20.html
Good thing Youmu won though, I missed the voting yesterday...
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Mystia had earned my vote for this round years ago. Night Sparrow Love (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/677?page=1) didn't make that decision any more difficult. (Danbooru)
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Not anymore, as of Oriental Sacred Place, she is now literate. She probably took some classes at Youkai School.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/touhou_sangetsusei_oriental_sacred_place/v02/c013/20.html
Good thing Youmu won though, I missed the voting yesterday...
Well I learned something today.
Shikieiki was made of rocks....
:toot:
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That's kind of unfortunate. Guess Ellen is just not popular enough to compete with a Windows character. Now if Hataraki Mono could be read somewhere...
That said, I'm hyped for the following round for obvious reasons. In my humble opinion, the beautiful miko, hardworking for the good of humankind, energetic, cheerful, ideailist (much like PC-98 Raymoo), and with outer world knowledge, motherly relationship with 2 goddesses, fondness towards mecha, green hair, schoolgirl uniform and with great-looking cleavage and armpits as a bonus, deserves to be rewarded in a contest of cuteness.
http://konachan.com/post/show/47371/clouds-flowers-forest-green_eyes-green_hair-japane (http://konachan.com/post/show/47371/clouds-flowers-forest-green_eyes-green_hair-japane)
http://konachan.com/post/show/46150/dress-green_eyes-green_hair-japanese_clothes-kochi (http://konachan.com/post/show/46150/dress-green_eyes-green_hair-japanese_clothes-kochi)
http://konachan.com/post/show/102503/barefoot-blush-cleavage-green_eyes-green_hair-japa (http://konachan.com/post/show/102503/barefoot-blush-cleavage-green_eyes-green_hair-japa)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/4411 (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/4411)
The embodiment of beauty, if I ever saw one :3.
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Oh boy we get to between two Little Miss Keel Dem Allus.
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Here's a match that I labeled as one of the "Big" matches. I wanted to actually illustrate Sanae and Utusho, but I don't really have time, but that's besides the point. Let's cut to the chase....
Faith vs. Hell
Sanae Kochiya vs. Utusho Reiuji
Sanae Kochiya
Pros: Is a direct contrast to Reimu in almost every possible way, As in dedicated, devoted, hardworking, cheerful, friendly personality, originally from the outside world, expresses knowledge from the outside world, nice attractive body (including a decent chest size in contrast to Reimu's flatness) and also has strong faith in her gods. Big anime Otaku fan, (especially in mecha), sic-fi fan, nice color scheme, shrine maiden, formally a school girl, not held back to open up to new ideas leading to her character have infinite possibilities both in her character and personality. Amazing major character potential
Cons: potential psychotic side (as seen in route B of UFO), bully to Kogasa (as seen in some fan art), some fanon portrayal tend to take advantage of Sanae's looks to attempt to take her down a peg so she doesn't seem all that perfect (AKA slut)
Utsuho Reiuji
Pros: Hell raven with the power of the sun, long black hair, large wings, destructive power, awesome spell cards (WARNING! WARNING!) quite furious when she wants to be, large cape with the galaxy designed within the inside, unique design in term of how she represents Yataguratsu (cement foot, atoms and arm cannon), having a cute,idiot, bird brained personality underneath that destructive power, "Unyuu~!", color scheme that makes her stand out with her design,great body (at least in fanon works).
Cons: some may find her destructive personality a bit much, same goes for her bird-brained side, some may find her design a bit over done (I know cause a friend found her unappealing for that reason alone).
Advantage: None, They're both even!
This is going to be one of those very big battles I've been waiting for.
On one side, we have a shrine maiden, who since her appearance has grown in popularity in the fan base, and has become a rather strong character in the Touhou Universe. As because of her she now gives Reimu serious competition because of her approach to everything, her looks, her behavior, her personality, everything about Sanae completely contrasts Reimu. Where Reimu is from Gensokyo, Sanae is from the outside world, where Reimu is mainly flat, Sanae is busty, where Reimu is laid back, and doesn't care much, Sanae is devoted and willing to help and try new things, where Reimu lacks a god in her shrine (since the PC-98 days), Sanae has 2 gods. Really I could keep going on about this for a while. But long story short: Sanae is pretty much the Luigi as Reimu is the Mario. Same can even apply to their color scheme.
Also Sanae also has many strong points that connect to the fan base as well. She obviously has develop from what was once a devoted girl to becoming a girl who comes to now be held by logic (and make silly names for spell cards) then later we get to learn about her Otaku geeky side. Really, this has gone places few character in the Touhou universe go. She's practically the living embodiment of an Otaku boy's fantasy manifested into a game.
The only thing Sanae has that may even make things hard for her here mainly derive from UFO and her memetic fan base. Which center around her becoming an aggressive youkai bully, and being portrayed as a slut (thanks to the western fan base) But those are even sometime turned into an advantage even for her. So who knows?
On the other side we have Utusho the hell raven, known to be the only Touhou character who actually came close to having a villainous personality when she first appeared, but was very notable for her amazing design, her character, and her amazing portrayal of spell cards.
Utusho mainly has a strong edge in this competion mainly for her looks and personality along with how she was captured in SA. Her spell cards through SA were probably considered mesmerizing and awe-inspiring, starting with the warning signs and the alarms that would ring out before she would start hurdling gigantic suns at you. Follow that up with her great design which consisted of her being dressed in a white blouse, a green skirt, large black wings, long black hair, a giant cape with the universe printed on the inside (that's alive according to Hisouten), cement leg and atoms on the other, an arm cannon and later on a great body from how fanon captured her design.
Then to top it off we even learn that despite her villainous and destructive personality she has in SA, that deep down she's actually rather simple minded to some degree which added a cuteness appeal unlike anything that had been seen before. And had a catch phrase that totally made her moe appeal concrete....
"Unyuu~?"
That's all it took!
Really there's alot going on for an SA character here who's only appeared a few times, but yet Utusho is one of the few characters that shown great promise in the Touhou universe.
The only thing Utusho has that might bring her down here in practically some of the same things that make her good, her destructive yet idiotic personality, and her design, some have claimed it may have been over done, but all subjective for debate.
So in truth, from what I seen, this contest is dead even.
It's going to ride on taste preferences, in character, personality and design that'll be the deciding factor on who'll win here.
As for me I'll give my answer on my vote:
Sanae, why?
Sanae is one of the few Touhou characters that has so much potential growing for her. As I said before, she's one the few characters that indeed grows as time goes on and it shows quite well. She has developed into a character that actually give Reimu something she never really faced before: Competition! And being that how contrast Reimu in every way almost make her really stand out in her character. And with each story she appeared in we learn more about her and her adaption to Gensokyo, at this point, she's pretty much now part of the major Gensokyo crew. And being able to accelerate all the way to 2nd place in the Touhou Saimoe competion in just the 3 years she's been in existence proves that she's gone far. She practically rivals even most of the major characters in Touhou with her development and I expect Sanae to continue doing this through the future of Touhou if ZUN continues with the route he goes....
Utusho on the other hand while she can definitely develop some more from her current stance, it's sort of limited, most of her character is set into stone already so there's really only so much I can see going on for her through the future compared to Sanae. Sanae is an open book with pages waiting to be written, and only in due time will we know just how much more we'll get to know of Sanae.
So yeah Sanae get's my vote due to her limitless moe potential that we know past, present and the possible future.
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I'm pretty sure Sanae's as flat as everyone else, and her bustiness is pure fanon.
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I'm pretty sure Sanae's as flat as everyone else, and her bustiness is pure fanon.
Then I recommend looking at Sanae's portraits from UFO and 10D carefully they show she's got some degree of chest to her. Alphes too (semi-canon)
Course yeah most fans give Sanae a rather busty bust line. But that's expected, but it's also clear that ZUN gave her some chest too (just not over the top)
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I'm picking Sanae; her character has lots of hidden depths, and she's cute.
But I'm gonna guess Okuu will win by a hair (because how can you beat a nuclear-powered birdbrain?).
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Well busty or not, Sanae's got my vote. She's just more moe in general when compared to Okuu. Personally I'd be kinda surprised if Okuu won, but mayhap it will be close.
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Honestly, I'm just hoping for a barn burner or two in the next week, because 85 votes for a round isn't that impressive. I realize that one was for two less popular characters, but c'mon folks. Today and New Year's Day should be fun, though.
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I'm picking Sanae; her character has lots of hidden depths, and she's cute.
But I'm gonna guess Okuu will win by a hair (because how can you beat a nuclear-powered birdbrain?).
Having longer hair does not automatically make you more moe.
That said, Sanae is unyu deficient.
Here is your daily serving of unyu. (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=619592)
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Wait, you mean Okuu's winning because of a verbal tic? :derp:
Kind of disheartening (click). (http://genso.ws/post/show/30062/bad_id-bare_shoulders-green_hair-japanese_clothes-)
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Let's see... I like both characters a lot, but I'm giving the edge to Sanae for being the anti-Reimu, who I dislike a lot.
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After thinking a while, I decided to vote Utsuho...
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Honestly, I'm just hoping for a barn burner or two in the next week, because 85 votes for a round isn't that impressive. I realize that one was for two less popular characters, but c'mon folks. Today and New Year's Day should be fun, though.
I also think the match on the 30th should be very interesting. Considering it's a destructive vampire loli with Christmas light wings vs. a shape shifting nue loll with two very unique set of wings. :P
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:ohdear:. How is this possble? I understand that Okuu might be cute in some versions, but... I mean, she's the villain who got the closest to cause a calamity in Gensokyo, and a nuclear one at that, with little excuse. I couldn't overlook that even if she wasn't against Sanae.
Oh well, time to bring bigger guns:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1053984/1girl-alternate_costume-animal_ears-bespectacled-b (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1053984/1girl-alternate_costume-animal_ears-bespectacled-b)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1045094/1girl-amaretto-no-natsu-animal_ears-blush-cat_ears (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1045094/1girl-amaretto-no-natsu-animal_ears-blush-cat_ears)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/657866/blue_hair-green_eyes-green_hair-kazami_ruku-kochiy (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/657866/blue_hair-green_eyes-green_hair-kazami_ruku-kochiy)
http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/0e/f3/kagamiismybride/folder/825519/img_825519_24782920_0?1303803431 (http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/0e/f3/kagamiismybride/folder/825519/img_825519_24782920_0?1303803431)
http://oreno.imouto.org/post/show?md5=a74f9b6c75be2a91de5f6f6dae3cf2cf (http://oreno.imouto.org/post/show?md5=a74f9b6c75be2a91de5f6f6dae3cf2cf)
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Okuu's counterattack! Unyuu~!
Asking to be patted on the head:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/606119/-3-asymmetrical_clothing-black_hair-blush-cape-clo
Just awww:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/616779/-_-black_wings-blush-bow-brown_hair-chibi-chocolat
Shhh she's sleeping!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/811911/barefoot-bow-brown_hair-closed_eyes-dress-feathers
Triple the moe radiation!
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/754650/-_-3girls-aonagi_ibane-black_hair-blush-bow-cape-c
And a double with Koishi:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/849729/2girls-alternate_hairstyle-aqua_hair-black_hair-ch
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Oh, so that's how we're gonna settle it? Well, try not to nosebleed to death:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/829825/1girl-animal_ears-blush_stickers-chibi-child-dog_e (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/829825/1girl-animal_ears-blush_stickers-chibi-child-dog_e)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/474586/2girls-3-animal_ears-bell-blue_hair-blush-cat_ears (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/474586/2girls-3-animal_ears-bell-blue_hair-blush-cat_ears)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/261485/chibi-green_hair-japanese_clothes-kochiya_sanae-ko (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/261485/chibi-green_hair-japanese_clothes-kochiya_sanae-ko)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/829829/1girl-animal_ears-bell-chibi-colored_pencil_-mediu (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/829829/1girl-animal_ears-bell-chibi-colored_pencil_-mediu)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/636672/animal_ears-bad_id-box-cat_ears-chibi-green_eyes-g (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/636672/animal_ears-bad_id-box-cat_ears-chibi-green_eyes-g)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/841911/1girl-_-animal_ears-blush-bow-cat_ears-cat_tail-ch (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/841911/1girl-_-animal_ears-blush-bow-cat_ears-cat_tail-ch)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/744418/blush-detached_sleeves-face-frog-gift-green_eyes-g (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/744418/blush-detached_sleeves-face-frog-gift-green_eyes-g)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/566064/2girls-blue_hair-blush-chibi-closed_eyes-detached_ (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/566064/2girls-blue_hair-blush-chibi-closed_eyes-detached_)
And 2 love confessions, just for your heartstrings:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/587487/blush-check_translation-confession-detached_sleeve (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/587487/blush-check_translation-confession-detached_sleeve)
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/623360/ahoge-confession-frog-green_eyes-green_hair-hair_o (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/623360/ahoge-confession-frog-green_eyes-green_hair-hair_o)
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Then I recommend looking at Sanae's portraits from UFO and 10D carefully they show she's got some degree of chest to her. Alphes too (semi-canon)
Course yeah most fans give Sanae a rather busty bust line. But that's expected, but it's also clear that ZUN gave her some chest too (just not over the top)
Reimu wears a sarashi... so you cannot really compare the two.
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I think we are forgetting that Sanae had the horrid audacity to be the third playable character in UFO even though she isn't a perfect and elegant maid. Yes, Seimoe is the place to let out this most petty of hatreds.
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Some Sins are never forgiven.
I'm willing to bet that the Scarlet Household takes the win again.
That Nostalgia plus being a windows game makes anyone there hard to beat.
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Okuu 65
Sanae 50
CAUTION!!! CAUTION!!!
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Betting against Youmu AND Kogasa? You ain't gonna make any money that way! :D
Speaking of bets, Ran seems like a lock to win the next one, but I'll be voting against her anyway. Sure. tails, but tails are not enough in my mind to overcome her more negative traits.
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I think we are forgetting that Sanae had the horrid audacity to be the third playable character in UFO even though she isn't a perfect and elegant maid.
Not counting the obvious logic error (two games' gap and Sakuya being playable in more games), I'd prefer Sanae anyway if only for the fact that she's not a human from biological standpoint only and most certainly won't butcher you and serve as a food for an unstable vampire. :V And it's not like shottypes and their owners mean much - the real gameplay differences and particular combat styles is showing in fighting games and phantasmagorias.
I'm kinda disappointed with the current results though. I'm pretty sure Okuu was not meant to be moe either, being way too trigger-happy even in Soku. Badass, yes, but not endearing.
(http://s1.zerochan.net/240/34/00/867534.jpg)
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(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/th_Screenshot012-1.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/?action=view¤t=Screenshot012-1.jpg)
Still not moe :V
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Yeah, I kind of... Didn't bother voting this round. Ellen losing put me in a Medicine Melancholy rut all day.
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The amount of butthurt towards her baffles me. From the comments I believe there were at least a few people who voted against Sanae out of spite, given the s-word comments. Oh well... :colonveeplusalpha:
Fingers crossed for Patchy, Yuyu and Kogasa, the actually moe characters.
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Gah, seeing Sanae loose is kinda disheartening. Though I said this contest was a bit on the even side. So I could of seen it going either way. Still let's see that leaves one 1 major characterter and one "former" major character from the major character roster......
Let's move on!
Crows and Foxes
Aya Shameimaru vs. Ran Yakumo
Aya Shameimaru
Pros: Tengu, news reporter, photo journalist, confident personality, "Ayayayayaya", nice design, very fast, well known in Gensokyo....,
Cons: ...but also well disliked in Gensokyo, often consider very persuasive, possibly perverted (fanon), often viewed in a similar light due to her returning chances in Touhou games (AKA: Slut)
Ran Yakumo:
Pros: Motherly personality, care taker, Kitsune, 9 fluffy tails,
Cons: Kinda bland in terms of character development (she's pretty much been Yukari's doormat since first introduced), Suppa Tenko (fanon meme)
Advantage: None
This is a another case where I don't see a real winner that dominates.
Both characters to my view are rather bland, since they both have limited moe appeal here. It's mainly gonna ride on traits and personality preferences here. Aya's newspaper savviness and cocky personality, versus Ran's caretaker personality her tails.
Really that's about all I can say here. They really don't have much to them from my analysis, this I call this a bland match....
If I had to pick someone for this it's Aya, cause I tend to favor the papparizi type. That's it...
Yeah.... this is bland...
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As much as I hate to admit it, Ran has this one in the bag. Aya's popularity has dropping like a stone over the past three years while Ran gets plenty of residual popularity from the recent bkub-led renaissance of all things Chen.
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I'm really surprised Sanae lost; to me she's more moe in almost every way. Oh well.
This one's weird. Neither have really moe personalities, so I'll probably choose Ran just because of her appearance. Aya might have been a very moe character if she were less successful at what she does, but she's too kick-ass to be moe as it is.
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Not that I hated Sanae, she's awesome and all, but just Utsuho is more awesome. plus, Chireiden bias :V
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Gah, seeing Sanae loose
Everyone can see that she's loose :smug:
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Okay... This time fluffy Ran got my vote.
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I think Ran will win by a bit, but I personally prefer Aya. Her color scheme is quite moe, and "Ayayayaya~" just puts her over the top.
Even if Aya loses here, I'm really glad her fellow bird youkai made it past the last round!
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EXTRA! EXTRA!
Newstengu in position to pull huge upset! Three vote lead with less than nine hours left!
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Only an hour or so left.
Can Ran claw her way up in time or will the news crow fly high once again?
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OK that match was highly amusing despite the charters being bland, this was actually the most heated battle I've seen in a while! Fun to see Aya pull an upset!
Time for round 43!
"Lolis with Fancy Wings and Weapons"
Nue Houjuu vs Flandre Scarlet
Nue Houjuu
Pros: young appearance, nice color scheme (black/ red), weapon wielder, snakes, unique spell card with many fancy references, cute / mischievous personality, two unique set of "wings" (red sickles / blue tentacles), Zettai Ryouiki! (Grade A type), fact she hides her true form may debate what her true form may be like (for the better), character development
Cons: Apperance may look kinda gothy, fact that she hides her true form may make people debate wether this is Nue's true form (for the worse)
Flandre Scarlet
Pros: young appearance, nice color scheme (pinkish white/ red with blonde hair), weapon wielder (kind of a weird one), vampire, unique spell cards , "christmas tree light" wings, cute / destructive personality, shut in, been around longer than Nue.
Cons: destructive personality can be a turn off for some, also the fact she's been a shut in pretty much post game (canon wise) gave her of character development
Advantage: None!
This is another battle where everything about the 2 are every even! But this time, it not their traits I'm discussing, it's their physical appearances!
Both are young, both wield weapons, both have really weird looking wings! This is what I think is a very good reason why I'm marking this as a very even match! And even with the notable differences in their characters, personalities and traits, they just sort of balance out each other!
You don't get matches that are more even than this!
Really this is the kinda of match I find amusing cause at this point, it's going to really tally down to personal preference to really decide who's going to come out on top!
So where do I stand on who I vote for?
Well I'll explain in detail:
Nue Houjuu...
Why? It's mainly because of two things I find more of a moe attribute than Flandre.... Zettai Ryouiki and her black and red color scheme. Black and red are a personal favorite color of mine which is why I love Nue's design a whole lot so it's the main reason why I lean in her favor, course the Zettai Ryouiki is also a wonderful touch for Nue, it gives her a rather nice appeal factor compared to Flan.
That's really about it, I don't think I could explain it any more different than that. But yes, personal preference are what I think will be the deciding factor here.
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I'd hate to see Flandre take this one, but in all honesty I can see that as being exactly what will happen here. Unless Nue has more fans than I give her credit, Flandre is going to take this one easily. I know I'll be voting for Nue though. Flandre has an anti-moe personality and the only thing she has going for her in my opinion is her design, which I still think isn't as good as Nue's. Plus I'm still bitter about her wrecking Cirno in the first set.
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YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON RANTAILS! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
Oh well. I sorta expected popularity to rule the day and flush out Vulpes Calculata. Didn't expect Ran to get far in the first place and I guess I'd be more miffed if someone I thought had a better chance like Youmu or Kogasa lost instead. Still, Aya and Ran were separated by about 110 other characters when I went through an old tohosort result, so I was pulling for Ran a bit more.
I'm throwing all of my apathy at today's match.
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Flandre has an anti-moe personality
I'd like to hear you elaborate on this, why do you think so? Going by her dialogue in EoSD she comes across as nicer than most other people you run across in a touhou game (she just wanted to come visit the Hakurei shrine and bring cakes and stuff). She's dangerous and kind of nutty but her underlying personality is pretty childlike and friendly, if a little selfish. Fanon only goes up from there if that's your bag.
Also, Nue sounds like she's a jerk from time to time, I'd say they're pretty even in that regard :V
I think it's a fair match that will come down to aesthetics, whether people prefer Flan's cute to Nue's sexy.
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Honestly surprised by the most recent result. Very pleased, but surprised. I guess Ran doesn't mooch off of Chen as much as I think she does.
This one today seems even more open-and shut than the other one though. However much shock there was seeing Aya win, there will be about 10 times more if the returning character in UFO that wasn't Mima can take down Flouder's memetic juggernaut.
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I think it's a fair match that will come down to aesthetics, whether people prefer Flan's cute to Nue's sexy.
For me, Flan is both cuter and sexier, so the choice is obvious. :D
But really, I'd say Flan's personality is pretty damn moe, while Nue just seems kind of mean. I too would like to hear how Flandre's personality is "anti-moe."
(And yeah, if Flan doesn't destroy Nue in this round I'll be pretty amazed.)
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I'd like to hear you elaborate on this, why do you think so? Going by her dialogue in EoSD she comes across as nicer than most other people you run across in a touhou game (she just wanted to come visit the Hakurei shrine and bring cakes and stuff). She's dangerous and kind of nutty but her underlying personality is pretty childlike and friendly, if a little selfish.
I disagree entirely. I got a very different feeling from her dialog and especially her profile that suggests little more than a naive lunatic who's "Cakes and stuff" are just gussied up prepared humans. I can see how she can get the "neglected child" appeal but if that were all there was to it, Medicine would be just as popular.
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I voted for Flan, as I have always seen Nue as an Flandre rip-off...
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I think Flandre's a nice girl prone to psychotic outbreaks while Nue's more like a trollish prankster. (After reading what I just wrote, now I wonder why I prefer Nue, since I consider myself somewhat nutty.)
This one could go either way, though if Flandre wins I'm hoping for a Scarlet Sister Showdown.
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Flan because FlanKoi
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Hey, people shouldn't forget that Nue showed remorse.
EDIT: Also, "trolling prankster" can be applied in varying degrees to every fairy in this contest because that's what fairies do.
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People should also remember that Nue is the one who called in Mamizou, if that counts for anyone.
I'm fairly indifferent towards both characters, but that edges Nue ahead just a bit.
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I don't understand how Flandre could be losing, even in the interim.
WHO doesn't have zettai ryouki???
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/897200/blonde_hair-dress-fang-flandre_scarlet-hat-highres
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/926644/adapted_costume-ascot-bat_wings-black_legwear-blon
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/975278/alternate_weapon-alternate_wings-ascot-blonde_hair
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1016002/-d-ascot-blonde_hair-border-bow-dress-fang-flandre
And now for some extra moe Flan~
Flan-chan going to school:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/623909/alternate_costume-blonde_hair-blush-contemporary-f
Getting a haircut from Remi:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/620022/2girls-bad_id-bat_wings-blue_hair-flandre_scarlet-
Your EGG has hatched into a FLANDRE! Would you like to nickname FLANDRE?
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1031872/1girl-blonde_hair-blush-chibi-crimson_shake-egg-eg
Playing with Meiling:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/906311/2girls-chibi-chinese_clothes-closed_eyes-dress-fan
An adult Flan is fine too:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/747159/adult-bandages-blonde_hair-breasts-choker-fai-flan
If you are still not convinced, you need to go read Life of Maid or some Millet Soup.
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WHO doesn't have zettai ryouki???
Nue does too (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th12Nue.png) and doesn't need fanworks to add it.
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Houjuuly shit, go Nue! Keep the pressure on dem memetics!
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And then Flan is in the lead
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Not really convinced about Aya being moe, especially above Ran, but I'm not even trying to understand the fandom anymore. And I think I'll pass on this round - given the scarlet fanboys the match is as good as finis- Holy crap!
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Not really convinced about Aya being moe, especially above Ran, but I'm not even trying to understand the fandom anymore.
Its because Ran is the cancer killing Gensokyo.
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Nah, that'd be Chen and Chiriririririno.
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If you are still not convinced, you need to go read Life of Maid or some Millet Soup.
Ironically when i read this i mixed up Life of Maid and rapattu's comic for a few seconds which reminded me of paperbag Nue. :V
Anyways pretty suprising round.
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Well, I'm amazed. I wouldn't have thought Nue would get even half as many votes. My guess is that Flandre haters are just trying to take her out becuase they don't like her, rather than bacause they actually like Nue, but still, the fact that are so few votes in total is kinda weird. :wat: Oh well, I won't mind too much if Nue wins, but a Scarlet sister showdown would have sweet.
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This battle has been pretty epic, it's like watching at ping-pong battle take place where the score is tied and the next one to beat their opponent wins the match.
But like said when I gave my analysis, Nue and Flan have so much in common in their physical department that it's very balanced. What they have that makes them different from one another still evens out. It's really going to come down to the smallest things to decide the winner here. It's definitely been one of the more "fun" battle thus far and I'm looking forward to the end results.
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Well, I'm amazed. I wouldn't have thought Nue would get even half as many votes. My guess is that Flandre haters are just trying to take her out becuase they don't like her, rather than bacause they actually like Nue, but still, the fact that are so few votes in total is kinda weird. :wat: Oh well, I won't mind too much if Nue wins, but a Scarlet sister showdown would have sweet.
Exactly. I was kinda rejoicing that Sanae haters helped us take the Utsuho round, but now the hater effect is backfiring...
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Isn't voting against the person you like less kind of the point when there are only two choices to vote for?
Like obviously the first brackets were skewed to basically come down to one character versus another with the other two choices getting a number of votes that is nothing close to representative (Keine v Reisen being the most notorious example of people choosing Keine just to spite Reisen), but when you can either choose one or the other, obviously people aren't going to pick the one they don't like.
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I think most of the time, when someone likes neither character, they just don't vote. My problem with the hate voting is that moe generally doesn't get factored in at all. I'd guess most people voting against Flandre don't like her simply because she's popular, or at least more popular than they think she should be. So they vote against her because everyone else likes her, rather than because of any fault with the character herself. Notice you never hear of unpopular characters (Letty or Mystia for instance) getting a lot of hate from the fanbase.
That said, if you legitimately think that she's totally un-moe, than voting against her makes perfect sense.
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Yeah, ok. Utsuho>Sanae left me kind of speechless, Aya>Ran slightly less but it only added to the whole thing. Not gonna let haters ruin three rounds in a row.
By the way? Nue is a huge turn-off to begin with.
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Nue is a huge turn-off to begin with.
How is that so? I don't really find Nue really moe, but I still feel she should win here. I just can't bring myself to ignore Flan's crazy side enough to consider her moe - in fanon she has the most blood on her hands out of all characters, rivaled only by Yuuka, and whatever canon we have about her kinda suggests she's not exactly sane either, human eating and all.
Won't really be upset if she wins though. I'd still prefer the winner to be picked as a favorite instead of the result of the opponent's hatedom, which I believe ruined Sanae's chance (along with people who prefer fanon Okuu to her canon self due to a verbal tic and rabid Sakuya fanboys, who consider her an enemy).
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I don't think there's anything in canon that suggests Flandre has ever killed anyone, or even left the mansion before. Maybe her idea of a game was shooting danmaku, but Suwako does the same thing and nobody calls her crazy. Fanon's run amok with Flandre, but I think she's one of the least villanous characters in Touhou, and as someone said earlier, fanon should be ignored when it's garbage.
I also think Nue is pretty moe too, and it's shame one has to be eliminated... but Flandre is Flandre.
Anyway, this is really getting down to the wire. :ohdear:
I'm refreshing the page, watching the timer. Man this is close.
EDIT: About a minute left, Nue with a 1 vote lead!
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I don't really find Nue really moe, but I still feel she should win here.
I'd still prefer the winner to be picked as a favorite instead of the result of the opponent's hatedom
Stuff about voting; Voting for someone because you like them more than the other is identical to voting against someone because you like them less. Both methods are relevant for a popularity contest. Not a moe contest. If you think both are moe, vote for whoever you think is more moe. If one of them is moe, vote for them. If neither are moe, don't vote. Whoever you 'like' more out of non-moe related aspects shouldn't matter even for a second. Of course, this is the problem with these last rounds.
If Nue isn't moe but Flandre is 'less' moe, no one should be giving a damn, because you're supposed to be voting for someone you think is moe. I realize you're trying to back me up on this, but you're kind of falling for the same trap!
As for me, Nue isn't moe simply because there is nothing there to make her moe. Her looks don't do anything for me (this is subjective, of course). Her personality is chaotic, but in a calculated way - she's aware of what she's doing, she's around for a while, built up a name for herself, did the whole UFO scouting thing. Especially compared to Flandre, who is just a walking time bomb. She's unpredictable and childish, which is frightening and cute at the same time. Dunno, makes for moe material for me. Not to mention I like her looks much better. Regarding the blood - never really turned me off before. It's not like she walks around with blood all day long. Just because she's a vampire doesn't mean she should automatically relate to blood. You could be 'disgusted' in the same way by Nue's... things coming out of her back.
In other news, 6 minutes left and Nue's leading by 1 vote.
Now, 2 votes, 4 minutes left.
Okay nevermind 87-88 1 minute remaining...!
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Don't think I'll be voting for this one. Relates to what I said earlier.
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Wow.
But Remilia HAS to win today in even more of a blowout...right?
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Wow that was actually impressive, glad to see Nue was victorious. Now let's see what we got for round 44
The Devil and the fairy
Remillia Scarlet vs. Koakuma
Remillia Scarlet
Pros: Vampire, Charismatic standards, young appearance, pinkish/red design, strong sense of leadership, sophisticed, ojou-standards, and yet can be surprisingly cute behind her royal personality.
Cons: Can act like a spoiled brat to some
Star Saphirre
Pros: fairy, long hair, cute personality, (technically) the smartest of the three fairy, nice design
Cons: Really doesn't have much going for her without the trio in play, also hasn't appeared in much other than the comics and the one game
Advantage: Remilia Scarlet
This is a very one sided match. Once again Remillia should be able to take this in the back mainly because of who she is what she represents. She is the head symbol of the SDM pretty much. Her standards, personality and traits (along with her hidden cute factor) can make her really moe in the eyes of most.
Star, like the other fairies of the trio really only has her looks going for her here....nothing much else. And doesn't make a big standout without the rest of the trio. So in I think this match we will see the end of the fairy trio pretty much. Look on the bright side Star, you held out along with Sunny pretty well. But until you get some addition screen time outside of a game and a (big!) comic series. It kinda limits your popularity.
So yeah, the Ojou-sama gets my vote!
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It would have been cool if two of the three fairies faced each other. Oh well, I can't say I find Remi to be all that moe, but she beats Star's lack of any outstanding qualities.
I'm kind of dissapointed about Flan going down, but Nue's cool too. As long as Patchy's still in it I'm happy. :D
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Well, I'm surprised I managed to get this far without having to do this...
The result of Match 43 has been reversed. Flan is declared the winner.
One user, the owner of a Sony-Ericsson W880i running Opera Mini and connecting from the network of Mobile TeleSystems JLLC (46.56.64.0/19) voted four times for Nue.
This person did not know that Opera Mini sends the full phone information with each request, including the originating IP address behind the proxied request.
Just because you manage to cheat and sneak one past the computer does NOT mean I won't find it later and change the scores accordingly.
I check every match by hand.
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:(
Poor Nue.
Oh well.
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Okay... This time I voted for Remi.
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Moe: Serious BusinessTM
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Sucks, at least justice was served. Wouldn't that guy get banned from voting though? can you ban that location?
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Sucks, at least justice was served. Wouldn't that guy get banned from voting though? can you ban that location?
I was thinking about it, but there's other people who vote from the same network who DIDN'T cheat, so I decided not to.
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So unbelievably happy! I was just sulking in the shower a few minutes ago.
Anyways, time to vote for Remi, even though it won't make a difference.
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Only one thing to say about this.
Oh N(o)uuueeeee.
I mean, spite voting is one thing, but cheating is just.... eugh.
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Disappointing :derp: ... And here I thought that Nue managed to actually beat Flandre. Oh well, at least the cheater is caught :flamingv:.
This round is as good as finished this time though. After a hard time voted for Star, mostly because of actually moe apperance and her pranks being less annoying than Remi's personality.
And for the following round... I don't even have to say it, do I :V? Kogasa is freaking tailor-made to be moe - her backstory asks for a hug. That, and I kinda support Sanae x Kogasa, so I hope she'll fight hard for her too :derp:.
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I'm still sore about this next matchup, as I wish they both could win, but I've thought about it and talked it over and we're in agreement.
Yuuka and I will be supporting our daughter.
And we recommend that you do the same, or else~ ^_^
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Ok I was really hoping to get my drawing done in time here, but time restains and the lack of being able to stay awake are two evil things:
I'm a bit surprised by the turn of events regarding Nue, but oh well, cheating is not exactly the best way to achive victory since your likely the one who will loose in the long run. Remillia already won the match, so let's move on:
Round 45: Battle of the Umbrellas
Kogasa Tatara vs. Yuuka Kazami
Kogasa Tatara
Pros: sky blue color scheme, hetrochromia eyes, appealing legs, adorably cute appearance, Karasara umbrella, catchphrase "Urameshiya!", woobie youkai status (for her constant habit of being picked on in UFO and 10 D), pity victim (because of how she's often treated by the other charters that bully her in particular routes [especially Sanae B!]), sad backstory, determination to improve (which she [sort of] succeeds in by 10 D) and ":P"
Cons: Ugly umbrella, some people don't like characters who seem to across weak and pitiful
Yuuka Kazami:
Pros: Flower motif, plant lover, Red /white color scheme, "Youkai Moe", Saditic nature (for those into that kinda thing), refined mature appearance, brutal character, beautiful umbrella, anti-moe appeal
Cons: Saditic personality make her a possible turn off, "Youkai Moe" because ZUN's definition of it a bit hard to really define here,
Advantage: Kogasa
This is a rather fun fight that's up ahead because we have 2 youkais that both carry umbrellas, one who is constantly picked on by others and is a "newbie" in the world of youkais, while the other is a flower loving sadistic bully who loves to beat the crap out of anyone who messes with her plants.
Kogasa ever since she first appeared on the scene of UFO has made a massive popularity following that had constantly grew at a rather fast pace, which is kind of odd for charters that appear later in the series, but it has clearly shown that Kogasa has managed to brake new boundaries in character appeal ever since she first appear. And how did this happen? Simply, the fact that ZUN basically came up with right design for the right character, in the right situation, with there right background story.
Kogasa is mainly popular for a number of factors: Her very unique design, in which she appears in a sky blue colored outfit which fits her character, followed with her hetachromia eyes that are an all time first for a Touhou character to have which in a way play on the concept of her Karasara nature (since it's suppose to have 1 eye) so why not give her two eyes with different colors. Then give her a nice flowing skirt that allow for her legs to be shown with beauty. Then add in an umbrella to represent who she is, a sad background story about her being an unwanted umbrella, make her constantly fail at her job as a youkai yet give the determination to "never give up", make her a subject of being bullied by the main heroes, make her say "Urameshiya" as her catch phrase and finally ":P" (you can't avoid the factor this icon is ADORABLE!)
Kogasa simply radiates with moe all over the place, and is why she has such a strong fan base, mainly for beautiful design, her great lovable character and the fact you'll likely feel sorry for her simply because she's always been subjected to being picked on. Thus her woobie status in Genosokyo.
She is be definition even by some people by the fan base as "true youkai moe"
The only weakness Kogasa really has to her design is her umbrella and her woobie status which can be potential turn off for some.
Yuuka on the other hand is kind of a unique polar opposite of Kogasa. She is a mature and refined woman by appearance, who have a love for plants, but under that, she's a brutal monstrous bully who will rip you apart if you dare touch her plants.
She is the type that comes across as the "don't judge a book by it's cover" type character, since despite how she may appear, she is rather sinister. It kind of an odd thing really.
ZUN even describes her as being "Youkai Moe" which is also kind of odd giving she kinda of doesn't come off that way. But I'm guessing the reason ZUN makes this statement is because of the following:
Like I mention before, she looks beautiful, refined and well mannered, and has a love for flowers. This give off a very moe aura to her, but approach her in the wrong manner and she will literally rip you apart without hesitation. This is because deep down she's a reminder that Yuuka is a youkai after all, a very beautiful one, but a monsterous murderous side to her. Thus why she is "Youkai Moe"
If there's any way to really describe Yuuka that actually gives her a fair shot at this, it's that she is "anti-moe" which on it's terms can be turned into a moe attribute. Because some people find this appealing, she is bound to get points by some just for the fact she comes across as a rather polar opposite of moe.
Also she has a very lovely umbrella when compared to Kogasa, almost gives her a refined gentle appearance. (yes I said "almost")
But yeah this is my summary of how I think the deciding factors will play out today in the fight.
More or less it a matter of what you want, a delicious moe umbrella that simply just radiates with moe all over the place and that you can feel sorry for, or a youkai who is more anti-moe by nature, but in terms make it moe on it's own accord.
My vote: Kogasa
Simply because of all the things I mentioned above since I explained about it in deep detail. She really does come across as extremely moe and if the fan base has shown proof of anything, she has done nothing but grown in popularity since day one. That's all I have to say here.
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Actually, I'd say that Reimu A was way crueler towards Kogasa than either Sanae, but I'm not complaining about the pairing. And I'd rather vote on the moe that actually means cuteness instead of a pun on "budding".
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Yuuka vs. Kogasa? If I didn't know it better, I'd say that was intentional.
Yeah, no real choice here. "Youkai Moe", that has that title just because of a pun and is otherwise lacking in moe traits VS. "Youkai Moe", who is genuinely moe. It can only be Kogasa.
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The new year's just begun, and it starts with the most epic youkai moe matchup ever.
The only unfortunate thing about this is that it's not even the quarter finals yet.
Ironically, I will not be surprised if Kogasa wins this time.
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Well, I'm glad Flan won; now we have both Scarlet sisters. :D
As for this round... I'm sure Kogasa will win. It's a shame that Yuuka's fanon personality has become so pervasive that it is accepted as canon. Both of them are very moe to me, so this won't be an easy round to decide on. I'll probably vote for Yuuka, if only because I know she'll lose.
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Even though Yuka is one of my favorite characters - I voted for Kogasa. Canon or not, I think she is more moe.
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Hmm Remilia didn't win by as much as I'd expected.
Voting for Kogasa, not surprisingly . Her color scheme is much better than Yuuka's.
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Hmm Remilia didn't win by as much as I'd expected
Only 112 votes so either new years took away all the voters or people just knew Remi would win and didn't bother to vote.
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Yuka
Canon moe > fanon moe
Though canon Kogasa is pretty moe too.
But still Yuka
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I don't find Kogasa to be that cute, sorry to say. 'Not really sure why, maybe it's her colour scheme. I like her vest though. Overall though I just don't like her character, which may have something to do with her being the only UFO character who has no importance and her bland spell attacks.
Going for Yuuka this round since she was a sleepy moe at some point~
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FUCK! Why did I wait until now to hear this?
On a lighter note: Gonna play Touhou 4 while I wait :V
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Ok, Kogasa's pretty much won by a landslide vote compared to Yuuka. She's pretty much had this in the bag. So good going little umbrella, you survived another round just by being what your are : Moe. :P
Let's move on to the next round:
Round 46: Fist of the Dragon, Roar of the Tiger
Hong Meiling vs. Shou Toramaru
Hong Meiling
Pros: Green / red color scheme. Devoted to her job as a door guard, loyal, strong-willed martial arts fighter, colorful danmaku, Not exactly very bright on some occasions, looked down upon by most of the rest of the SDM staff, (To some extent in canon, expressed heavily with Sakuya in fanon) great comic relief character in general (both canon and fanon)
Cons: Her air headedness may make her seem lacking
Shou Toramaru
Pros: Stripped hair, Tiger, Loyal to her master, Spear Weilder, companions with Nazrin
Cons: Feels a bit bland and cliched to other characters, except for her status of being the disciple of Bishamonten thing....
Advantage: Meiling
I don't think much needs to explain here.
We're looking at a character who actually has a fulfilling role as being very serious, very funny, and being moe all at the same time just because of it! And she's up against a tiger that.... really comes out to be really bland.... she seems to be there only cause she "serve Byakuren" and works with Nazrin. Not much can I say expect that Shou has some nice hair, but that's about it....
That's why I'm going to say here and now the Meiling's going pretty much win this match hands down. Being because despite her role being a door guard of the SDM, she has shown to be very interesting in her character as she has always come across and both vital and funny. Because of Meiling's switch from being a completely serious fighter to an air headed foolish door guard, she has a lot of moe appeal in this apartment. It's a wonder why ZUN didn't push for her revival in sooner. But regardless, we know that because she comes across and both a skilled fighter, and a total buffoon that those appealing reasons are why she really stands out as a crowd fave among some fans of the SDM.
So yeah, my vote's going to Meiling.
I'm more curious how she will handle herself is she's pitted against her own staff (which say could very likely happen!)
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Yeah, the EoSD cast has been unbeatable, except Cirno I guess but she was eliminated by another EoSD character. Meiling can't lose this, and she's got my vote.
FUCK! Why did I wait until now to hear this?
Hello! :D You just missed a pretty intense match-up between Flan and Nue.
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Let's go Meiling! It's your year after all ;)
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I just have to wonder how a tiger youkai ended up in japan in the first place.
Also, I'll be voting for Meiling mostly because of of that song (Danbooru Ad Warning) (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/2599) and the fact that I don't like Shou at all.
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Round 46: Fist of the Dragon, Roar of the Tiger
Hong Meiling vs. Shou Toramaru
I demand a Touhou remake of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
Yeah, I don't think Shou has a chance in this match-up.
+1 for Meiling
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After thinking this for a while... Meiling got my vote.
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Yeah, the EoSD cast has been unbeatable, except Cirno I guess but she was eliminated by another EoSD character.
Rumia lost to Koishi, and Suwako also beat her that round.
Akyuu also got more votes than Cirno i the round she was eliminated in.
This is yet another match I don't really have a preference in, I'm indifferent to a lot of the characters (as in, I like most of the characters but a couple I like more than that)
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Rumia got a rough bracket :<
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Tbh I think Meiling is the least moe out of the SDM...that said I'm voting for her anyways.
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Sophie on the SDM's moe:
Patchouli > Flandre > Kana > Sakuya > Meiling > Koakuma >>>>>> Remilia
If we want to include those other two EoSD bosses Cirno would be between Kana and Sakuya and Rumia would be below Koa.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter to me who wins this match. They're just gonna get eaten next round anyway (unless they face Aya)
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Alright, I'll be the one to ask.
... Kana?
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Just one of the many insane things I think about Gensokyo. Unlike most of them, I actually posted about this one once. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11133.msg744218.html#msg744218)
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Meiling pretty much FUS ROU DA'd her way to victory here. That was almost a given....
Now comes a more interesting match:
Round 47: The Dog Days of Autumn
Momozi Inubashiri vs. Shizuha Aki
Momizi Inubashiri
Pros: Tengu, Wolf, Inumimi (fanon turned canon), sword fighter, Dependable (thought not entirely if you take DS into consideration) black/white color scheme
Cons: Still somewhat lacks in some development despite her build the comics (SOP and recently in WaHH), DS also brought her more vicious side into the surface (proving she she and Aya don't always get along)
Shizuha Aki:
Pros: Autumn theme, Red / yellow color scheme, leaf based dress, leaf based hair ornament , sister complex, simply being the underdog (memetic)
Cons: No daialouge and barely any character build leaves her very empty for potential growth
Advantage: Momizi
This is kind of a no brainer battle since the Aki sisters really lack in room to really grow. Especially since this is the older who is in the battle front to stand up for her defeated younger sister. Momizi on the other hand has had more screen time, and more development on several levels, from both the manga and games. Though her role is a bit limited since she's still pretty much being a spy for Aya or a like/hate relationship. But yeah at least she has more character build to her and also the fact that her dog ear while originally were fanon did seem to become canon material which is acceptable for her White Wolf theme she has going for her.
So she actually has a serious upper hand here...
However...
There is a chance I can see fan base backlash in this match, especially since Momizi took out a major character in the previous match by one vote. And yes I'm referring to Marisa here. I don't think the fan will sit down for this one very easily so I could see Momizi actually having a challenge here. So really for the advantage I should be saying:
Advantage: Even
Cause I see this could go in either direction, it's a matter of how the fan base votes, will they vote based on moe? Or vengeance?
As for me? Shizuha Aki just barely stands out over Momizi despite her severe lack of character. Why is this? Simply because Shizuha represent a nice artistic representation of Autumn and some reason always gave me a relaxed feeling looking at her. Momizi has come across a bit pushy these day mainly for her constant like and hate relation with Aya. Though she may be cute, I kinda feel put off. So yeah a colorful dress and a autumn feel grabs my attention more....
Voting Shizuha
Will we see fan base backlash here? We shall see...
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The biggest tragedies of this tournament were Youmu and Satori being in the same first bracket (they could've been the final two), people apparently not knowing who Kyouko is, and no support for fairies.
So yeah, all we really have left is SDM and Youmu to cut through everyone else. Nitori and Alice might have a chance.
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Momi-momi FTW!
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However...
There is a chance I can see fan base backlash in this match, especially since Momizi took out a major character in the previous match by one vote. And yes I'm referring to Marisa here. I don't think the fan will sit down for this one very easily so I could see Momizi actually having a challenge here. So really for the advantage I should be saying:
Advantage: Even
I was actually going to vote for Momiji at first, on account of her a bit more moe, but after I read this, my urge to avenge Marisa sprung up again. Petty, I know, but no disobedient dog (fine, wolf) should remain undisciplined after such a felony...
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So yeah, all we really have left is SDM and Youmu to cut through everyone else. Nitori and Alice might have a chance.
This could be the 4channer in me speaking, but I think you're selling Momizi and Utsuho really short here.
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This could be the 4channer in me speaking, but I think you're selling Momizi and Utsuho really short here.
Mebbe I'm not an avid 4channer, but I agree. In addition to the aforementioned characters, there are a number of characters that remain and have a real good chance. While I certainly see a few weak links in the chain, those cases have been limited and mostly come from weak brackets. As for the SDM, both Patchouli and Sakuya have a strong but semi-limited fanbase. Remilia will also get some anti-votes as she has in her first two rounds. So far as the SDM goes, Meiling's probably got the edge as she's hard-pressed to drum up detractors.
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Meiling's probably got the edge as she's hard-pressed to drum up detractors.
Oh man looking for that double down in the year of the dragon.
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The first time I saw this I said to myself "Cirno and Flandre will most likely be at the top of the list." \:
This contest is much different than I imagined though, and I'm glad every character gets a chance.
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I much prefer Minoriko to her older sister, but this round is odd for me. I feel about the same for both of these characters, so I'll be holding my vote until near the end and voting for the underdog to even up the results a little. In that way the match can at least look a little closer.
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Well Momizi won and by a wide margin. I guess it shows that most of the fan base really is thinking on moe instead of vengeance. So I guess my speculation of upset via Vengence is out of the question.
Let's move on:
Round 48: Our masters are Out Right Now
Sakuya Izayoi vs. Koakuma
Sakuya Izayoi
Pros: Maid, Elegant personality, skilled knife user, maid, former hunter, shady past, loyal servant, polite even in the heat of battle, (former) Major Character
Cons: Some people think Sakuya may have warn down a bit over the years, other may think she need more of her history known, some see her as a vicious killer
Koakuma
Pros: Devil / Succubus, loyal servant, librarian helper, familiar,, Devil wings (which include head wings)
Cons: Other than the fact that she's a demon, most of her other qualities are mainly fanon, also Koakuma had no really canon development outside of EoSD
Advantage: Sakuya
Let's put it quick and simple: Sakuya mainly will prevail simply because she has more character development compared to koakuma who's development derives mainly from fanon material. That's what I see out of this literally. There's nothing else to explain here. Sakuya has so much character development that it be waste to discuss it here till she faces some serious competition. Simply put, her elegance and polite mannerism is what makes her moe and that alone over tops a devil's fanon moe based attributes.
So yeah, my vote is Sakuya and that's it.
Time to contine on Emi's route!
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Koakuma because even a little sprite is more moe than a cold but elegant maid.
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In my opinion there are 5 chracters with a shot of winning the whole thing. Patchy, Alice, Flandre, Youmu, and Kogasa. Maybe Utsuho has a chance as well, which is ridiculous. It may depend on who faces whom, kind of a "rock paper scissors" effect, so it's hard to say which one seems the most likely, though I'm going to guess right now that Kogasa will win it all. I wish it could be Patchy, but Kogasa has gained a kind of "default moe." Like it's an objective fact that she's moe or something. I'm not saying she isn't moe, but she's being really over-hyped.
For this round though I can't imagine Sakuya losing. It's a matter of popularity.
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I will also vote for Koakuma...
Just look at her cameo in IOTMIOTE (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100112022726/touhou/images/f/fd/KoakumaIOTMIOTE.jpg)
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I must admit to the egregious error of forgetting Kogasa when mentioning Momizi and Utsuho earlier. Pardon me, Father, for I have sinned.
I'll be pulling for one of Kogasa or Utsuho to take this all the way (or Aya, for all that I have zero confidence she actually will), but at this point I'd be satisfied-at-worst with anyone that wasn't Yuyuko or an EoSD character winning.
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PS: Despite my hate for Sakuya, I won't deny her "elegance", but she was never shown to be "moe" to me, especially in fanon, as she was more portrayed as a badass, elegant, "perfect" maid than a "moe" one.
This is why Koakuma has my hand on this.
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Yikes. So much hate for Sakuyer.
Even though I've had a more positive opinion of her than most people, and even though she's one of my faves for a short collection of reasons, I'll probably be voting against her 'cuz Koa's so cute.
I still think the whole open-the-window-in-space is uproariously hilarious.
I'm also glad I have the character interpretations that I do, because if I adjusted those to match others, Touhou wouldn't have nearly as much appeal.
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I WOULD be voting for Sakuya if I could open the voting screen...
Anyone else have trouble opening the voting page recently? Why am I suddenly blocked out??? =(
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Last 3 matches went just as expected. Now here comes the one that I've been pondering for a while:
-On the one hand, while I can't deny that Sakuya is a badass, I'm really not fond of her personality, especially when it comes to moe. Aside from her being occasionally spacy and careless, as stated by her official profiles, she has little going for her and gives me the impression of being emotionless and somewhat of a showoff with her illusionist motif just because she happened to win a superpower lottery (not to the level of Sebastian though). Her Jack-the-Ripper and serial killer motifs do her no favors either, all but stating she is the one making food from humans for Flandre instead. Aside from a certain very out-of-character canine version of her, fanon does not make her more endearing for me either, disregarding the carelessness entirely and being almost mindlessly loyal towards Remilia regardless if she is portrayed as nice or a complete monster in a given fanwork and dropping her elegant facade and turning violent if you dare to mention the p-word or are Meiling. I would presumably warm up to her if ZUN gave some kind of heartwarming backstory with Remilia, but he's stubborn on it staying enigmatic. And some part of her fandom being unreasonably... unpleasant towards the character I happen to be a big fan of rubs me the wrong way as well. She's pretty much a less likable Youmu for me, because the half-ghost certainly shows more emotions aside from obedience and loyality, and has cuter interactions with her mistress (to be fair there's a world of difference between both mistresses though).
-On the other hand, while fanon Koakuma is usually moe and her interactions with Patchouli help as well, but in canon she is a blank slate, with no way of telling whether she was meant to be moe or the opposite, aside from the mention she is thoughtless and mischievous, the qualities I find moderately endearing. If ZUN bothered to give her a personality, she would likely be blatantly above Sakuya though.
Right now I'm torn between not voting at all or voting for Koakuma (because I have some doubts if voting for someone with no canon personality would be similiar to spite-voting in this case). I'm leaning towards the latter though.
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I voted for Koakuma. If we go by fan interpretation, she is really moe, even more than Kogasa. And in her case, fan interpretation is the only thing one could base their vote on (which is probably why she has such a default personality, as ZUN doesn't do such moeblobs, not even the umbrella goes that far).
While elegance can be moe at times, it's note really the case with Sakuya. At least, I never saw here as moe. Then there is the "abusive boss of Meiling" thing, which I prefer to disregard completely.
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Well I didn't expect to have to vote, but Sakuya's actually losing. I for one think she's pretty moe, in a slightly similar fashion to Youmu, though her dialogue in the many games in which she has appeared also makes her seem quite likable to me, and I honestly fail to see the SDM crew as being "evil" the way everyone else seems to. Maybe you could say Remi is a spoiled brat or something, but that's hardly villanous, and she doesn't even seem too angry after her plan is foiled. She just walks over to the shrine with a parasol and says hello to Reimu. (In one ending at least.) The closest anyone seems to get to evil in Gensokyo is the stupid belligerence of a few stage 1 bosses.
I'm also glad I have the character interpretations that I do, because if I adjusted those to match others, Touhou wouldn't have nearly as much appeal.
I approve of this kind of thinking. :derp:
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I've never seen anybody considering the SDM characters as evil (although the aforementioned "abusive boss" interpretation is pretty borderline). Considering that this is Touhou, this wouldn't make sense (but try to tell this the guy who made the ridiculous "Koishi's Heart-throbbing Adventures" series...).
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All of you are being hipsters. You know Sakuya is the only moe in this warudo. BV
Koakuma might win, since Sakuya is only an embodiment of badass ninja maid all over.
...and midbosses are moe.
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Koakuma barely has a portrait. Sakuya by default.
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Tough vote for me. I like Sakular as much as the next guy, but Koa has head wings. I'll probs be voting later again.
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I'm surprised to see that this match is dead even. I was expecting Koa to steal this match because the fandom tends to exaggerate her moeness. (Hope my vote for Sakuya won't be in vain.)
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Looks like Sakuya survived this one. I'm surprised there was much resistance at all by Koakuma.
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It a bit sad that Koa lost... Well, atleast it was a good fight.
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Welp, there goes my hope that Koa actually manages to get further. Unlike Kogasa's advance, that would be one hell of a surprise.
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Kinda glad myself that Sakuya prevailed, but I didn't expect this battle to be SO CLOSE!
It seems I under estimated people's ideas of how they approach canon and fanon attribute. Considering almost everything about Koa is fanon based I was expecting her to remain under the radar while Sakuya dominated. But I didn't expect so much switching between places. It was rather scary.
I have always judged everyone based on canon attributes, mainly because fanon material seems to get in the way and can vary so much that it make a lot of factors irrleavnet. But this match showed me how the fan base thinks now. And it's kinda scary.
I guess this means I need to start including more fanon pros and cons for the characters analysis from now on though I think that would weigh a bit on the decision making....
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That last round was more interesting than one might have anticipated it being. It was also more exciting than I thought the Chen v. Youmu and Kogasa v. Yuuka matches would be. I'm glad I was wrong with this match because of how much more interesting it wound up being.
Outside of maybe a few bracket-busters, the field has been trimmed down to quite a well-refined one. Looking forward to the next round.
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I find it to be more disappointing, considering the moe factor of her just solely being a maid and not Sakuya HERSELF being moe.
That's what my friend told me why he voted for her anyways.
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I have always judged everyone based on canon attributes, mainly because fanon material seems to get in the way and can vary so much that it make a lot of factors irrleavnet. But this match showed me how the fan base thinks now. And it's kinda scary.
I believe i judge mostly on cannon as well, but because i can't think of any cannon attributes about Sakuya that i find moe at all(except a few blunders possibly.) Koa wins on looks alone.
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I'm surprised so many people are (a) voting on canon over fanon, and/or (b) not anticipating fanon will be a factor.
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Two more cheaters busted.
A Brazilian dialup user did the delete cookies and refresh routine to stack three votes for Sakuya.
I deleted his votes, but this does not change the match outcome.
Another user double-voted for Sanae back in match 41. Sanae lost anyway.
Edit: More bad votes in match 48. I will have to re-run it.
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What a shame, but hey, hopefully I won't fall asleep and forget to vote this time c:
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I'd be surprised about Sakuya's victory, but it's pretty clear since a while that this is more a popularity contest than anything else.
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Well that's a shocker I was hoping this would be over. Welp, guess I'll just got again tomorrow
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People really care about frosty flat tits that much?
Tell her to go polish some spears. Koakuma es better.
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Tell her to go polish some spears.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2s1w1m9.jpg)
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People really care about frosty flat tits that much?
Tell her to go polish some spears. Koakuma es better.
But it is huge! It could take me all night!
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Wut? This is surprising. Too many bad votes to redo the entire thing? Damn
Didn't think Sakuya fanboys would do this. Then again, I've noticed that they're starting to become a bit like Mima fanboys in terms of begging for her return and all.
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Yay... Another change for Koa to win (though I doubt it will not happen).
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Wut? This is surprising. Too many bad votes to redo the entire thing? Damn
It wasn't that there were too many, it's that the match turned out to be a tie when the cheated votes were deleted.
Simply restarting voting wouldn't be fair, because whoever figured out first would win.
Running the match longer than 24 hours is an issue because the vote cookies have an expiration of 24 hours.
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Ooh, I should have tried to get home earlier and vote yesterday. I'll just have to do it today!
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Every time I refresh they are still even.
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Okay, yeah. The round needed to be done a second time, and now that it is, it's STILL tied up a second time with less than 4 hours to go. This round is SO much more interesting than anticipated.
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I wouldn't say that. As even as it may be, I don't believe that Koa will win.
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Round 3 bracket posted. Match 49 starts at 1 PM EST.
That's in 40 minutes.
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Let's see....
Well the big 16 should be interesting....
Surprisingly a lot of good matches here:
The big ones I see here are:
Orin vs. Youmu
Kogasa vs. Utusho
Momiji vs. Mystia
Meiling vs. Patchouli
The rest seem one-sided.
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And so ends Aya's chances at meaningful success. :<
At least we're guaranteed to cull the SDM field some more.
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lol Momiji vs. Mystia. A midboss character wth effectively no development is gonna get pretty damn far in this contest. Personally I'm wondering: will Kogasa steamroll Utsuho as I expect she will, or will something strange happen?
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And so ends Aya's chances at meaningful success. :<
At least we're guaranteed to cull the SDM field some more.
Don't worry Kilga, I'll be rootin' for her.
Also, Flan > Sakuya. No competition.
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A midboss character wth effectively no development
That statement describes the vast majority of the field, so of course at least one of them is going to make it somewhere.
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I think Yuyuko, Kogasa, and Alice are guaranteed to go to the next round. (Although Kogasa's up against Utsuho; the margin might be in the single digits.)
The rest of the matches are pretty interesting though. Particularly Flandre vs Sakuya and Meiling vs Patchouli. (I would have been even more interested in Sakuya vs Meiling, but that's too one-sided.)
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Interesting contest and I'm glad I could participate in this.
However, do you think it is relevant to draw conclusion on popularity with that much voters ? The highest number of votes in a match is 223 until now. I'm pretty sure that a fairly higher number of people would be happy to vote too. Maybe the contest needs more advertising ?
It is surprisingly difficult to find the results from the other years, when you don't know where to look for, so I couldn't compare.
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I think there has only been one other seimoe back in 2007 and Meiling won.
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Noooo Utsuho! If you must leave this round, leave with a bang!
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hope think people are selling Nitori short in no one yet listing her match against Remilia as ineresting. Don't forget that she hung a 94 on Keine and won her second round match with a notably larger percentage of votes than Remilia did while going up against a comparable character.
Fake edit: Unless people aren't listing that match because they think Nitori will blow Remilia out of the water (what is Remilia doing in water?), in which case I am all for such an attitude.
Fake edit 2: Meiling didn't win Seimoe 2007, she won the first Japanese popularity poll. I think Reimu won Seimoe 2007, though it might have been Yukari or Reisen.
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Fake edit 2: Meiling didn't win Seimoe 2007, she won the first Japanese popularity poll. I think Reimu won Seimoe 2007, though it might have been Yukari or Reisen.
Reimu won Seimoe 2007. I was still a nameless lurker at the time, and didn't vote because I was unfamiliar with the characters, but I still remember it.
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Yeah I think Nitori will trash Remilia easily. Remilia's just had easy matches so far.
Maybe I should start campaigning for Hina...
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I voted for Yuyu this time...
Now when this is closing to end (okay, there is still much to go) - here is my prediction for the winners of the next rounds:
Yuyuko, Orin, Nitori, Flandre, Kogasa, Momizi, Meiling and Hina (actually I believe that the last match might
be quite even).
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Ayayaya! I wish Aya would win. I've decided that she's a bit more moe than Yuyuko.
Also, Remi's been doing pretty poorly so far considering her easy opponents. I think Nitori's got her.
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You guys already think Nitori will beat Remilia? I'm cool with that.
Aya's one of my favorite characters, but I haven't really thought of her as moe (and Yuyuko is more moe).
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in 2007, I think there were an avg 300+ votes per character per match... why is this one much less popular? Are we letting people know this is going on? -_-
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I don't see any of the matches being close at all besides Meiling vs. Patchouli. Though I am surprised Aya is keeping up as well as she is.
This one - Aya has some momentum after knocking off Ran, but she's running into someone who outclasses her in both fanon AND canon.
Youmu vs. Orin - Think of who's hype train is bigger between Chen and Orin. Now remember that Youmu slaughtered Chen.
Nitori vs. Remi - Nitori rolls here, there's been a lot of backlash to the SDM taking form.
Flan vs. Sakuya - Flan was going to win regardless, but this whole business in the last match just seals the deal.
Kogasa vs. Okuu - Kogasa just knocked off Yuuka freakin' Kazami with authority. Okuu struggled with a Sanae who was getting anti-votes.
Momiji vs. Mystia - The only way I see Momiji losing here is if the Marisa revengers show up with a lot of mercenaries. It's the ears.
Meiling vs. Patchy - The only one that could go either way, they both have about the same amount of support so far.
Alice vs. Hina - I would love to see Hina pull an upset, but there are just too many Alice fans.
Maybe I should start campaigning for Hina...
You have my random AD&D 1st edition polearm.
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in 2007, I think there were an avg 300+ votes per character per match... why is this one much less popular? Are we letting people know this is going on? -_-
A couple reasons.
- I think the biggest one is the lack of presentation; the website is entirely plain text with the front page being nothing but legal stuff. The last contest had a website that was a lot nicer to look at and had pictures of the characters.
- The one-hour wait time is a big turnoff to a lot of people.
- The last Seimoe had an imageboard for campaign threads to drum up hype; this time we've simply been pushed towards poosh for this purpose, which has wisely been ignored (every thread related to Seimoe that has been posted there has been met with apathy and hostility).
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Yuyuko is moe?!
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... But I thought touhou's popularity kept increasing with every year, especially in the western hemisphere. What changed now that caused this to be met with hostility/apathy compared to before? :/
Was the conflict between wikia and the current touhouwiki part of the cause?
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(every thread related to Seimoe that has been posted there has been met with apathy and hostility).
That's because everyone on poosh hates fun.
They are best left to rot.
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... But I thought touhou's popularity kept increasing with every year, especially in the western hemisphere. What changed now that caused this to be met with hostility/apathy compared to before? :/
Was the conflict between wikia and the current touhouwiki part of the cause?
Trolls rule poosh with an iron fist because there is no moderation of any kind. If MotK or anything related to it - such as this contest - is brought up there, they won't give us the time of day because recent events (best left undiscussed) permanently destroyed MotK's reputation there.
The contest has been mentioned in various other WTC places, it just hasn't garnered that much interest. I think points #1 and #2 have more to do with it than #3.
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I voted for Yuyuko this round, but I have no idea who to vote for the next two matches and the Kogasa vs. Utsuho one. Youmu and Utsuho are some of my favorite characters, but I consider just skipping these matches altogether.
Or maybe I should just flip a coin again.
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in 2007, I think there were an avg 300+ votes per character per match... why is this one much less popular? Are we letting people know this is going on? -_-
It's not really fair to compare the vote counts directly. It was fairly easy to cheat in the previous Seimoe. Mine is a lot harder to cheat at.
The one hour delay may seem excessive to some people but Saimoe does it too and sees far higher vote counts.
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I don't think Remilia will lose by a big margin if she does. And I hope she doesn't =/
Unfortunately I still can't vote AGHHHHHH
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Yuyuko is moe?!
IS she moe?(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1801/3fd16a9bdb192c8fc79a70d.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/3fd16a9bdb192c8fc79a70d.jpg/)
Oh wait, she is moe! (http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/9048/b61297b3b116f3ee0069cfe.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/862/b61297b3b116f3ee0069cfe.jpg/) Yaaaay Yuyuko!
Of course, there's always that part where she puts her perpetually mellow, good-humored personality and great intelligence to use (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Yuyuko) by running no fewer than six mental laps around some dull, trite, pest of a character who's overstayed her welcome through two full games, a book, and 99.3% of the fangames/doujins I've ever touched.
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Maybe next round the remaining characters that have had a serious lapse in ethics (for the given species/type, at least) will finally be ousted.
Oh well.
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I think, I will vote for Youmu. But Rin has that whole catgirl thing going on, which is very moe. She gets a few moe points off due to the stupid unnecessary human ears, but that doesn't make her a clear loser yet by far and...
Goddamit, this is a hard choice. The hardest in the entire contest so far.
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Catgirls WITH HUMAN EARS.
Isn't that cool? Seriously guys you can't not vote for Rinrin.
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After thinking this for a while, I voted for Orin...
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Catgirls WITH HUMAN EARS.
Isn't that uncool? Seriously guys you can't not vote for Rinrin.
fix'd
/shameless Youmu support
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Many of you today are going to prove you have no taste. It is regrettable, but I suppose it would eventually be the case. For those intelligent to vote Rin for her obvious moe, far beyond that of Youmu, you have my commendations for understand how moe works. Godspeed.
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fix'd
/shameless Youmu support
You know, that doesn't help the Youmu cause...in fact it does quite the opposite
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You know, that doesn't help the Youmu cause...in fact it does quite the opposite
I figure people are going to vote for whichever one they feel is more moe.
Personally I don't see the appeal of Orin.
Besides, if people are going to be swayed by people posting/spite voting/vote for the underdog, then it's not an objective vote as it should be. So if my post changes someone's decision, good job, you let someone decide for you. Nice job not showing free will.
tl;dr, Decide for yourself without being influenced by the current standings (Why I think current standings should be hidden and revealed only at the end of the match but whatever), people's posts or the outcome of previous matches.
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You know, that doesn't help the Youmu cause...in fact it does quite the opposite
If people decide to be so stupid, petty and easy to provoke to vote, based on a dumb random post, instead of their actual feelings about the characters...
Besides, if people are going to be swayed by people posting/spite voting/vote for the underdog, then it's not an objective vote as it should be.
then it's not an objective vote as it should be.
objective vote
You have an odd view of this contest.
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You have an odd view of this contest.
objective wasn't exactly the right word, but subjective isn't the right word either.
What I meant by objective was 'without outside influence'
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The word you're looking for is "Unbiased" which this contest still isn't.
Voting for Myonmyon.
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Voting for Gensokyo's resident engineer. A kind, meek, and polite type that tinkers away at the latest great invention. Yup. In fact, all of us engineers are just that adorable.
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Well, this was not a hard choice... Remi has no change against Nitori~n in terms of Moe...
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Ayup, all about Nitori this time. I was surprised by Youmu's destruction of Rin though. I knew she'd win, but that was harsh. I wonder if Youmu might be able to beat Kogasa. Hopefully one will take the other out next round and give Patchy an easier path, assuming she survives this round againt Meiling.
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well looks like I don't have to worry about Nitori then.
I'll be ALL over Flan next round though :V
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NOOOOOO REMI!!!!! T_T I'm so sad I'm not even gonna make up some lame excuse about why she's losing.
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A vampire got Goomba Stomped by a turtle.
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I don't even consider Nitori all that cute and I legitimately thought Remilia would be streamrolling this.
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With such a big loss, Remilia fans are probably going to avenge this poor vampy.
Flandre's probably gonna win just because Remilia lost, I guess!
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Flan more or less is just gonna win b/c shes Flan.
Looks like people might actually be voting for what is moe instead of popularity contest.
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Looks like people might actually be voting for what is moe instead of popularity contest.
Which is why Reimu went out first round.
Never liked her much anyway.
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Like legit I don't see how Nitori is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?
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Like legit I don't see how Remilia is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?
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Like legit I don't see how Nitori is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?
"Moe" isn't "cute and endearing," it is "fictional attraction."
Perhaps Remilia isn't as attractive as you thought?
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Like legit I don't see how Remilia is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?
Pink and purple colour scheme, polite demeanor that is sometimes broken by childlike spoiledness, and a fragile ego that is also quite broken. And her sprites from the fighters seal it for me.
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/Kink-Link5/remicower.png)
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childlike spoiledness
Congratulations, you answered your own question as to why people are voting Nitori.
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Congratulations, you answered your own question as to why people are voting Nitori.
So it's more an issue of just not liking Remilia then? I suppose I can understand since I have similar reasons for voting Nue over Flandre.
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It's because being a brat is not only not moe, it's anti-moe.
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"Moe" isn't "cute and endearing," it is "fictional attraction."
Perhaps Remilia isn't as attractive as you thought?
I would say moe has many diffrent interpretations,
Mine is based on a nonsexual protective feeling towards a character, them looking cute helps with that but i think they need some innocence and/or flaw(s) as well. (Which flaws would be considered cute is very subjective though.)
Remilia's ego being fragile feels mostly like a fannon thing, i can't remember her losing her cool/charisma in cannon, (Exept that lowblock. :V)
which leaves her personality relatively free from "weakpoints" and she has the strength to back up that personality as well.
This leaves her with only being able to look cute, she fits better in the badass corner imo.
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I genuinely find Nitori one of the most moe characters in Touhou. Mainly it's two things. First, her canon attitude towards humans. She's incredibly shy but once you get through that she's friendly to a fault. The second is her appearance, which I find to be one of the most endearing in the series. You might not, that's cool. Of course, there are other factors, like the whole mechanical geek thing and being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in, but mostly it's the first two.
Also Remi's an ass and stuff. Makes her a good character, but not a moe one.
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Well next match seems pretty cut and dry. If Sakuya had trouble against Koakuma I can't imagining this going very well for her at all.
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being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in
Funny how that seems to be true. Like, really. :wat:
But yeah, she's really got moe potential I'd say, and is fairly unique when compared to other characters. We haven't seen a science type since PC-98.
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Eventhough Flandre is not canonically so moe, I will vote for her as
Sakuya is too eager with her knives...
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I genuinely find Nitori one of the most moe characters in Touhou. Mainly it's two things. First, her canon attitude towards humans. She's incredibly shy but once you get through that she's friendly to a fault. The second is her appearance, which I find to be one of the most endearing in the series. You might not, that's cool. Of course, there are other factors, like the whole mechanical geek thing and being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in, but mostly it's the first two.
Also Remi's an ass and stuff. Makes her a good character, but not a moe one.
I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...
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Huh, so far this match is pretty even. I'm not surprised that Sakuya got many votes, but I'd have thought that Flandre got many, many more than her by now.
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I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...
I've seen her in Touhou Labyrinth, Touhou Pocket Wars and Patchcon, and she's pretty kick-ass in those, though in Patchcon she falls behind on higher rounds. She's also in Touhoumon, though I've never played that.
Also surprised by Flan's lack of victory. Am I to believe that she and Koakuma are equal in moe?
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Nitori is playable in GoS. This is maybe barely a spoiler because she's one of the super-super-early recruits and you can't not get her.
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Ohh, thank you. I've played Labyrinth and patchcon, and they were fun. I gotta try Pocket wars.
GoS sounds really fun... but it requires a much more in-depth japanese knowledge than what I currently have... I wish I had a way to just export the output text and plug it through google translate. D: Is there an english patch in progress, apart from the youtube videos?
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The English patch is, for all intents and purposes, done. The only time a lack of extra translation might maybe become an issue is in the middle of combat if you completely forget what elements cancel each other out, and even then it's a turn-based RPG and there are pretty color-coded visual cues for you.
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There's a thread in HME devoted to GoS, and I'm pretty sure the first post provides a link to the patch.
And when you play Pocket Wars, Nitori may well be the best character in the game, so you'll certainly get to use her there. She plays much differently than she does in LoT though.
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I wouldn't call her the best character in TPWE+...but she has by far the best spellcard.
+88% RAW evasion on your whole team for a very cheap price. The only rivals are invincibilty cards, and those are all kinds of expensive.
(best character all around is either nue or komachi)
Also, it's nice that she doesn't bust the game open the same way every time. Labyrinth she was the best damager, TPW the best buffer, FMW the best tank, etc. There's also Nitroid, where she's the only PC, so she's the best one by default.
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There's also Nitroid, where she's the only PC, so she's the best one by default.
Marisa's a PC as well~
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Awesome! Thanks a lot. I'll definitely check it out. And I'm happy that Nitori won in her match this round too. I'll be seriously torn between Okuu and Kogasa in the next match...
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I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...
She papers in Sengoku gensokyo with 'Optical Camouflage" that allows her to live though at least 2 attacks in a game full of near one hit kills.
Edit: Okay now I'm really confused as to what people are voting on. I mean like yeah, I argued against Flandre when she was up against Nue, but at the very least she has naivety and a cute design going for her. Sakuya meanwhile had trouble against a speachless midboss and is now going tit for tat against Flan.
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Maybe it's some sort of backlash against Flan's popularity.
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It's because being a brat is not only not moe, it's anti-moe.
Pretty much this.
Also, I like it how people sway to canon or fanon in their posts depending on the situation. People, if we were to follow canon (that is, only known material), a lot of "winners" would've lost already.
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Flanfly moe, I guess.
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Awesome! Thanks a lot. I'll definitely check it out. And I'm happy that Nitori won in her match this round too. I'll be seriously torn between Okuu and Kogasa in the next match...
A note about Genius of Sappheiros - It's a lot of fun, but it doesn't give you a tutorial and it is hard. You may want to start by looking up how to get the secret characters. You should use magic on the first boss (which is also the first battle), to use gear retrieved from a dungeon you need to leave the dungeon so that it no longer appear yellow in your inventory (that confirms you made it out with your gear or something), and you can heal by standing on the magic circle in the Hakurei shrine when you're weakened. To use Nitori as the walking sprite, you need to set her first in your party. And there are about five ways to alter your party compostion, all of which are necessary - formation, equip, growth, party, and skills.
Also, the important keys are ADZXCV and the arrow keys, but people more familiar with computer RPGs than me might already be familiar with that.
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You may want to start by looking up how to get the secret characters.
Don't do this, it's for lamers. You don't want to be a lamer, do you?
At the very least, wait until after you get the first one to look them up, because anyone that's ever played video games and spent any amount of time on the internet should be able to get the first character on their own. The second, though, yeah, their unlock is pretty dumb.
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Hmm... This was a hard decision, but I will still vote for Kogasa...
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Kogasa is not impressed at all by what you did with her beloved shrine maiden, freaking genoicidal crow.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/545604/-_-anger_vein-angry-blue_hair-broken-chibi-dress-g (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/545604/-_-anger_vein-angry-blue_hair-broken-chibi-dress-g)
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Suffering umbrella moe is the strongest moe.
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Suffering umbrella moe is the strongest moe.
I thought Iced Fairy was the strongest moe.
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[[Cirno]]
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I hope Mystia wins this round.
The bird can sing, read, cook, make sake, and wears This (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/6d601cc185852d5761efdb91bae19d74.jpg)
~uguu
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The bird can sing, read, cook, make sake, and wears This (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/6d601cc185852d5761efdb91bae19d74.jpg)
Her ability to read is questionable. It doesn't make her any less moe for it though.
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Mystia was confirmed for literate as of OSP. She couldn't read when she first showed up, but she appears to have learned.
Side note: This match is incredibly disappointing given it involves what I figured to be the two heaviest hitters.
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Die, hellchicken. You don't belong in this world.
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I think we need to remember this before we vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFopQtaghA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXFopQtaghA)
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Eventhough Mystia is truly Moe and really cute character (Night Sparrow Love-series for example),
Momizi is much cuter... I'll vote for Momimomi...
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Huh. Didn't expect Mystia to ever sniff a lead at any point past when the vote count broke out of single digits, but there she's sitting at 8-4. Still really early, but intredasting nonetheless.
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Momiji, why don't more people love you? :(
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Momiji, why don't more people love you? :(
Rabies.
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Rabies.
This and lack of canon character, pretty much. I voted for her anyway because Mystia is one of my least liked characters.
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Ergh. So close. I thought the final round would be Momi vs. Youmu, but at this rate, that may not happen.
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lack of canon character,
Next ZUN book hopefully will change this. We can only hope.
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I make an exception for Momiji and take her fanon into account, since it's actually pretty much in line with what we know about her as a character. Except for the "liking Aya" thing. :V
She has an overly serious attitude and enjoys gentlemanly board games such as Shogi, suggesting a samurai-like attitude, which is kind of funny because it clashes with her cute, fluffy appearance. She seems to have a few dog-like features, since she's very loyal and apparently she literally bites people?? Samurai doggy girl easily qualifies for moe in my book.
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In all honesty I'm kinda surprised Mystia is pulling through over Momiji who's had a huge moe fanon creation behind her (which I thought most people would take into account over Mystia's fanon). That and the usual huge support I see over Momiji.
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I'm surprised Momizi can drop a 96 on Marisa and two others but can't break 70 against (or beat) a lone Mystia.
Even with the litany of anti-cheating measures in place, that first match suddenly really fails the smell test.
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It's because people are burning out. As their waifu is eliminated there is less and less reason to come back and vote again.
The contest is dragging on and on and it's getting boring.
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It's because people are burning out. As their waifu is eliminated there is less and less reason to come back and vote again.
The contest is dragging on and on and it's getting boring.
Koishi...;_;
well thing is I only stayed on for
A) Flandre
B ) to kill Sakuya off
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Kurenai Misuzu!
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The little night sparrow that needed to be in two games just to remind the fandom that she exists won the round? WHAT A TWEEST!
....
Sorry, Momi. =<
It's because people are burning out. As their waifu is eliminated there is less and less reason to come back and vote again.
The contest is dragging on and on and it's getting boring.
If so, I hope for a spike for the final few matches.
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Oh My God! The person I voted for actually won! That makes a nice change.
(Maybe I consider underdogs moe?)
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It's because people are burning out. As their waifu is eliminated there is less and less reason to come back and vote again.
What a bunch of wimps. Most of my whyfoos got bounced in the opening round and I still care.
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I've been rooting for Patchy the whole time, so I guess my "waifu" is still in. Of course, if Meiling takes her out it's not like I'll just forget about the whole thing. I need to see if my prediction of Kogasa's victory comes true.
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come on Meiling ;_;
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ding dong the overhyped wolf is dead
oh come on why is it that warriors are always anti-moe in my eyes? i don't want to do this meiling
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Meiling's the type that would much rather share a cup of tea with a potential intruder than letting trouble start. Having that poor girl is kicked around so much in canon, and fanon only makes it worse. Think of what she has to deal with. There's her mean, nasty boss, a psychotic supervisor, and Meiling's the only person who cares for Flandre, whose own dear sister considers a despicable abomination. Yet Meiling cares, and Meiling remains magnanimous. She endures through all the hardship forced on her in the most wonderful of ways. She's so mellow that she can't be bothered to be bothered by anything. She puts up with so very much and yet she smiles through it all. What a wonderful girl.
Patchouli? She's a person who does nothing but sit on her duff all day long while collecting dust and soaking up the acrid musk of old books. She doesn't do anything and her personality matches the perpetually sterile and stagnant environment that she's so fond of in place of others. Including you. I've met rocks more endearing. YOU'VE met rocks more endearing. LOTS of them.
I'm voting for a character whom I care for, because I know she would care for me. The inverse is just as true for the librarian.
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Meiling/Patch is a tossup for me. I like Meiling more but Patch has more moe power, or something.
I'll FLIP A COIN!
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The rounds I expected to be really close were all one-sided, and the ones I expected to be one-sided were all really close.
At least Patchy's winning. Also, those crazy words I had to put in to get the vote code had "moe" in them. :derp:
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I'm kind of in the same boat as Edible. Meiling is objectively better but Patchy is more moe.
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wow of course Patchy would be kicking Meiling's ass... Patchy is a little to moe for me...
Cmon Meiling :ohdear:
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Well... considering that moe is so hard to define, do whatever you want. Moe may be different from what you believe.
I remember when I had no idea what moe meant and use google to look for its definition and I still don't really know
what it means even after reading several pages of articles on it.
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I would say moe has many diffrent interpretations,
Mine is based on a nonsexual protective feeling towards a character, them looking cute helps with that but i think they need some innocence and/or flaw(s) as well. (Which flaws would be considered cute is very subjective though.)
Personally I think this is a darn good way to describe it, from my perspective at least. I think part of the idea behind moe is that everyone interprets it in a somewhat unique way though. "It cannot be explained." "One must discover one's own definition." - Or some such philosophical banter. :derp:
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(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/th_Screenshot003-2.jpg) (http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm272/pesco47/LoM/?action=view¤t=Screenshot003-2.jpg)
Meiling is so adorable :D
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Patchouli is up by how much? Well nuts to you guys. Meiling's awesome.(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9687/87d396575dbd9ca39a4295c.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/87d396575dbd9ca39a4295c.jpg/)
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So Patchy won... I am not suprized though.
This time I decided with a coin who to vote: Hina.
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welp i'm done here
/me jumps off a cliff into the sunset
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Patchouli more like Patchoulame
Oh well. At least Kogasa's still going strong, Remilia got the fuck out, and suddenly Mystia has become a glorious underdog candidate to win.
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What kind of stinks about this part of the game is that people start voting against characters who beat characters they like, rather than characters. I wouldn't be too surprised if a bunch of the Koishi fans vote against Alice, rather than for Hina. :(
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What kind of stinks about this part of the game is that people start voting against characters who beat characters they like, rather than characters. I wouldn't be too surprised if a bunch of the Koishi fans vote against Alice, rather than for Hina. :(
I really don't care, but I generally prefer Hina just because I've had too much Alice and her "tsundere" that is so engraved thanks to fandom x.x
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Patchouli more like Patchoulame
Oh well. At least Kogasa's still going strong, Remilia got the fuck out, and suddenly Mystia has become a glorious underdog candidate to win.
Rabbits hi5
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I really don't care, but I generally prefer Hina just because I've had too much Alice and her "tsundere" that is so engraved thanks to fandom x.x
Pretty much this.
Fandom Alice has no positive qualities. Tsundere Alice, Yandere Alice, Pathetic Alice, Rapist Alice.
And Canon Alice is pretty lukewarm in terms of personality.
+ I can't think of any other touhou that is more Mary Sue than Alice.
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+ I can't think of any other touhou that is more Mary Sue than Alice.
You clearly don't know what a Mary Sue is because she has so many flaws and so little respect that she's about as far from the term as you can get.
BUT VOTE FOR HINA ANYWAY.
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I don't know if it "Sue" but she defiantly has that Rei Ayanami, I'm a doll with few emotions, archetype going on.
And its a total turn off for in term of characters.
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I only really consider touhou characters slightly moe, but that is because I don't really know what it means.
But Rei Ayanami from Evangelion is one of the examples of a moe character in one of those wikipedia articles...
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It's been a long time since I watched Evangelion, but from what I recall of that character, she is the antithesis of moe.
I don't see Alice as being like that at all, though I tend to put more stock in her MS/IN personality than what IaMP/SWR did to her.
I still can't decide who to vote for though.
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welp i'm done here
/me jumps off a cliff into the sunset
:C (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA)
I've always had Alice pinned as nice but socially and emotionally distant.
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@Zil:
She is, which is why even after reading several articles about moe, I have no idea what it means.
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I can't vote in this round or any other round until teusday when I get out of this Motel and into my dorm, so I only hope Alice wins. Hina never struck me as even really having much of a personality.
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Just wait till Symposium of Post-mysticism, then we will all know the true greatest of Hina-sama.
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So two EoSD, three PCB (though I think Alice kinda transcends PCB), one IN, one MoF, and one UFO. Nott bad for diversity.
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Alice won (I am actually glad)... Well, she does have more (fanon) traits than Hina.
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Quarterfinal bracket is posted.
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> Kogasa v. Mystia
WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS TO ME FOR KOGASA MATCHES ;_;
Youmu/Yuyuko is a quality round-closer. Pulling for Nitori in the first match, nothing special there. I think Alice/Flandre might destroy the world with memetic overload.
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This match should prove to be interesting for two reasons:
1. How will Mystia fare out against an umbrella who's pretty much the embodiment of moe itself. I see this as Mystia's end here she's ain't going to survie here. XD
2. Yuyuko vs. Youmu
So looking forward to it.
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Wow. Youmu vs. Yuyuko XD.
Patchy vs. Nitori has me worried, but at least I know one of them will advance.
And Kogasa vs. Mystia... The secret compartment of my ring I fill, with an Underdog super energy pill!
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Out of the 2 matches I didn't want to see, one had to happen; if anything, I'm glad it wasn't my main picks.
So yeah, my predictions are all written down... Sorry Nitori; you had to draw against one of them, didn't you. =(
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Youmu vs. Yuyuko should be interesting, but I am reluctant on who to vote for in the next match. The Great Unmoving Library or The Youkai Warhead..
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I'll have to go with Nitori.
Shy yet curious Turtle girl with a ton of silly gadgets is better than an anemic shut-in librarian mage that wears PJs and has a verbal tick.
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Even though Patchy is silent moe - personally I like Nitori better...
Shyness gives her extra points.
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the kappa
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Wow i just noticed Youmu vs Yuyuko wow
Yuyuko all the way :V
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Go SDM voting block!
Maybe we can make the final round Patchouli versus Flandre. :toot:
EDIT: At the time of writing, match 57 has exactly 57 votes for Nitori and 57 votes for Patchouli.
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Maybe we can make the final round Patchouli versus Flandre. :toot:
NO.
I'm only voting for characters with great, big, giant personalities
and those two could never hope to deliver compared to the remaining field or even the majority of the characters in the last round.
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I am shocked that the embodiment of the true moe lost to that anemic librarian...
Well, I can only hope that Alice will beat Flan.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that moe pretty much means cute, adorable, kawaii, etc.
...Unless it doesn't and I've been voting for the wrong girl for the past matches. :V
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It actually means whatever you want it to mean.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that moe pretty much means cute, adorable, kawaii, etc.
I think it's much more than that, which is why Patchy to me is the most moe character of them all. If I just with went the cutest, it would Kisume.
It actually means whatever you want it to mean.
Or pretty much this.
Anyway, I'm glad Patchy won, even if Nitori had to go down.
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I am shocked that the embodiment of the true moe lost to that anemic librarian...
Well, I can only hope that Alice will beat Flan.
Why?
I don't get it. What's moe about Alice? Her fanon personality is hated, and her canon personality is deadpan-snarker with self-esteem issues. Which is why I'm having trouble understanding what she's doing beating Flandre 26 to 9 in a moe contest.
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Her fanon personality is reviled by some, but if it didn't appeal to so many others it never would have become her fanon personality.
She's also probably getting Nue votes too.
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Why?
I don't get it. What's moe about Alice? Her fanon personality is hated, and her canon personality is deadpan-snarker with self-esteem issues. Which is why I'm having trouble understanding what she's doing beating Flandre 26 to 9 in a moe contest.
Selecting between psychotic freak in a basement or a stalker with a bad self-esteem... Which one you think is closer to moe?
Seriously thinking:
If we would think canonically... Neither Alice nor Flandre can be considered "moe", but fanon-wise... Well, this depends on contex: E.g Flandre paired with motherly Meiling can be considered moe, as well as tsundere Alice trying to make friends.
Of course there are stories depicting Alice as self-centered bastard and stories depicting Flandre as homicidal maniac... But as we are talking about fanon here, it is up to you to decide which depiction you want to use, so saying that Alice's fanon personality is hated is bit strange (how can you hate someone who tries hard to make friends?)...
So why did I vote for Alice then:
Well, I made my decision based on canon appearance... Even though Flandre is a really tragic character that just needs a hug, I think Alice has more personality and depth. Especially considering how much Alice has developed from PC-98 era appearance... If we would think current Alice as a result of the events that happened in Makai, Alice is more interesting character as Flandre in my opinion...
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Why?
"This is definitely not a popularity contest."
That's the assumption you're making.
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Yet Reimu, Sakuya, and Marisa have been voted out of the polls
This entire contest is confusing.
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I think it's done pretty well as a moe contest, and I don't think Patchy beat Nitori through sheer popularity. People ought to realize that even if she doesn't appeal to you, she is the kind of character who strikes many people, myself included, as being incomparably moe. And even when it does come down to popularity, I think many of the characters who are popular became so because of their moe-ness. Touhou has a cast of almost entirely loli girls. It would make sense that the most popular characters from a group that possesses moe as it's defining characteristic would be the most moe characters in the group. Granted, some are popular just from being bad-ass, but Okuu was the only one of those who really did well. Even Remilia was just lucky to keep facing easy opponents and got steamrolled by Nitori when the time came. And then there's the early eliminations of Reimu and her coevals, so all in all I'd say this has actually been a fairly moe-oriented contest. (From my perspective at least.)
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Flounder and Sakuya split the SDM vote, but Flounder has memetics that Sakuya does not. She also had a body type advantage when it came to a contest where many consider "cute" as a major aspect of "moe". Unfortunately for Flounder, Alice also has a strong memetic background and at least the potential to match body types, as much as giving Alice a womanly figure is also fairly common. (Lolice may help this, even though she was her own character; I'm not sure how much of a factor MS is, but it's there, so it's possible.)
Alice also doesn't have Nue fans out for her blood, and is likely more popular amongst those that prioritize official material because she's been far more prevalent in them.
All Flounder has in this match that Alice doesn't have is younger sister moe, as EoSD backing is arguably canceled out by PCB backing.
Fake edit: I don't consider Patchouli moe at all, she's way too stoic.
Real edit: Though I suppose that doesn't really address the point you were making. I guess I just don't understand how something like stoic moe is possible at all. It feels too much to me like a plain lack of personality.
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I feel the same way about patchy, Kilga. The only thing I like about her is the hikokomori aspect, but I feel that characters like Kaguya and to a lesser extent, Alice beat her on that. Even just looking at characters who are shut off from the rest of the world, you have at the least off the top of my head Medicine and Flandre, who have more personality than "Don't bother me I'm reading."
I would say Patchouli's colour scheme is nice since lavender is one of my favourite colours, but when a characters entire design is one colour, it's more depressing than anything.
I really can't see Pajamouli making it past the next round and into finals since her competition is going to be extremely stiff with Alice, Kogasa, Yuyu, and Youmu looking at her with sparkly, tear filled, large irised eyes.
Also, I personally like the current results of this match, but ouch Flan. I think I have Flan in my top 20s from the character sort and not Alice, but it's mostly because of the badass aspect than anything. I do think Alice's canon personality is more appealing than Flandre's so I would personally pick Alice if I could (Still in a motel). Still though, tough match for either character, were it not for Nue's fans planting their seeds of... revenge?
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The early matches did an astounding job convincing me that I had absolutely no idea what most people mean when they say "moe." Case in point: Youmu. What's moe about Youmu? This is a serious question. I'm not seeing it. Her visual design is... rather bland. That haircut certainly isn't doing anything for her, (even though I'm a fan of silver hair, almost as much as I'm a fan of green hair). Personality-wise, just about any points I could give her are mooched off of Yuyuko. I'm seriously not even seeing why she's considered one of two favorites here.
For reference, I also dislike Kogasa, but at least I can see why she appeals to people. (I hate that shade of purple, and heterochromia in general annoys me - but these are personal preferences, and without those particular aspects, she'd probably be much higher on my list, too.)
I was rooting for Meiling to win it all, but... oh well. Out of the remaining contenders, I'd most like to see Nitorin Mystia win.
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The early matches did an astounding job convincing me that I had absolutely no idea what most people mean when they say "moe." Case in point: Youmu. What's moe about Youmu? This is a serious question. I'm not seeing it. Her visual design is... rather bland. That haircut certainly isn't doing anything for her, (even though I'm a fan of silver hair, almost as much as I'm a fan of green hair). Personality-wise, just about any points I could give her are mooched off of Yuyuko. I'm seriously not even seeing why she's considered one of two favorites here.
Oriental Sacred Place Chapter 4. (Be sure to read Chapter 3 to set it up even though she only appears in that one at the very end.)
Also swords.
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Also swords.
Yeah, see this doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, given that Sakuya's knives were presented as one of the main reasons not to vote for her earlier in this very same thread.
...although the whole "'Roukanken can cut anything!' ...except just about everything," bit is rather amusing, and something I'd forgotten about until now.
Also, looking up OSP 3+4 now.
EDIT: Okay, that was amusing, and a little weird, but not moe in the slightest.
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Then I can only imagine you read the wrong things, because a ghost that's afraid of ghosts running around in terror is one of the most moe things I've ever seen. And I do not use that term lightly in reference to my personal preferences. :V
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Well, the fact that Marisa is very up-front about the fact that they're not ghosts, or anything of the sort, but rather people in costumes makes the entire episode rediculous to the extreme. But I still can't see what's considered moe about it. Hence the disconnect.
I... guess the fact that she's still scared, despite Marisa's frankness produces a ditziness aspect? I suppose there would also be potential for the "protective" moe, too, but those both seem like stretches to me, as they're completely dwarfed by the absurdity factor.
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Well, it kind of depends on what you think moe is. Do you see a half ghost, who has a straightforward personality, is put into situations
that seem awkward moe? Do you see the contrast between what she knows and what the situation is at hand moe?
During Cage in Lunatic Runagate, she was trying to be a stealth detective, but does a horrible job at it.
None of these may be moe, since moe seems highly subjective to me.
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Moe is not highly subjective, it is entirely subjective. In fact, my definition is "the irrational possessive urge experienced by a person towards a character." It is a property of the beholder, not the character, although character-based things can trigger it, and I do tend to go into detail on those.
Re: Youmu in OSP - I feel she is not scared because they are frightening, she is scared because they are supposed to be frightening. She has no problem with actual ghosts, as we see a number of times, including an earlier Fairies episode. It's just the thought of them that spooks her, as we see in IN. As the saying goes, the only thing to fear is fear itself, and in Youmu's case that has a bit of a literal meaning. To me, of course, that's a very moe quality. But if you just don't feel it, then explanations are useless. See also: me with Meiling.
Also I blame the Sakuya people more than the Nue people, mostly because they have a long history of this kinda vindictive shit.
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"the irrational possessive urge experienced by a person towards a character."
This... this explains a lot. See, as a rationalist, I've trained myself to avoid this as much as possible; so I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise that I don't understand people who willingly indulge this kind of thing. Okay, I can accept that.
...does this mean I have to stop voting now? :V
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Outside of Patchouli, the semis seem to be coming together well. Still, these next couple of matches will be rough since I really enjoy all of these characters. I guess Kogasa and Youmu are both more moe and have a better shot in the end, so they have my support. I may very well hold my vote until near the end of the match and vote for the losing contender though. So many characters that need love...
Considering the nature of this tournament and even oddities like the average number of votes per round, I wonder how much of a disaster a college basketball-esque bracket-related wager would have been.
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Well hey, good news Kogasa, you're getting my vote this time because Mystia is one of the characters I find less appealing than you! c:
Wow, there is no way for that not to sound horrible. I don't mean to say Kogasa is bad, just that there's a lot of characters I like more than her XD
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Okay... Kogasa is indeed moe, but I still voted for Mystia. She needs more love as a character.
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This time my vote goes for the generic moeblob Yuyuko...
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This time my vote goes for the generic moeblob Yuyuko...
Generic?! I strongly suggest you reexamine such a character. It is the flawless manner with which she can carry both her preferred sanguine and jocund mindset and demeanor, yet fully utilize her intelligence and perceptiveness that makes her quite unique. Combining these attributes yields a person who is both jovial and bright. She possesses a most beautiful mind indeed, unlike some copy-pasted, submissive, weak-willed moeblob.
Also, c'mon guys what's with such a low vote count thus far. You can do it! I probably won't be able to vote today though because I'll have to be away from a computer I can use for voting for the next day or so. I can't vote here at work either. ;_;
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Generic?! I strongly suggest you reexamine such a character. It is the flawless manner with which she can carry both her preferred sanguine and jocund mindset and demeanor, yet fully utilize her intelligence and perceptiveness that makes her quite unique. Combining these attributes yields a person who is both jovial and bright. She possesses a most beautiful mind indeed, unlike some copy-pasted, submissive, weak-willed moeblob.
Will you accept pseudo-generic? ;)
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A few months before I wouldn't really consider not voting for Yuyuko... but right now I'm sure as hell I won't be able to decide. Halp? :ohdear:
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Well quater finals are over and the brackets for the semi finals are up.
And I'm loving this!
Both pretty even matches!
Patchouli vs. Kogasa and Alice vs. Youmu
This could go in any direction now and will make for an interesting finals match regardless.
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Only one person I actively do not want to see win is left. Son, I am please.
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Which one? Alice or Youmu?
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Oh dear lord. I didn't think Patchy would make it this far so I guess I'm pretty happy with it, but just maybe she can beat this upstart umbrella...
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Either Patchy or Youmu had better win lol.
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I was surprised to see Youmu win that last match. Didn't expect it to be so one-sided (not that I'm complaining, since I voted for her).
The semi-finals are going to be interesting to observe. But the most important question is: will Kogasa persevere and get in the finals?
Now it's time to break out the danmaku.
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Which one? Alice or Youmu?
No and no. Would prefer Karagasa takes it all the way, but these two are acceptable alternatives (with a slight preference toward Alice).
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Patchoulli got given too many easy matchups along the way.
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I successfully predicted 3 of the 4 matchups last round.
Didn't see Nitori losing though, not sure how Patchy won that one. other than spite voting against Nitori for beating Remilia
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I wouldn't say Patchouli had easy matchups throughout since she was up against Meiling, a popular veteran just two brackets ago.
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A thought: Could/should Match 63 Last longer than a day, given it's the final match?
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I successfully predicted 3 of the 4 matchups last round.
Didn't see Nitori losing though, not sure how Patchy won that one. other than spite voting against Nitori for beating Remilia
Because Patchouli's awesome?
I don't understand the hate she's getting, but there seems to be a little bit of "Down with the SDM!" going around.
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im still pissed off that yuyuko lost.... how the hell is youmu more moe then yuyuko?
Fan > sword for moe...
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A thought: Could/should Match 63 Last longer than a day, given it's the final match?
Not worth it, there's not enough voters left to require more time.
Also a pain because the vote counter would have to change and the vote cookie would have to change (its lifetime is 24 hours)
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Been a while since I busted out an avatar campaign.
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Been a while since I had busty avatar.
Fixed.
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I find Kogasa tries to be moe too hard, which puts me off.
The fact that I love Patchy makes it even easier to decide.
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Will you accept pseudo-generic? ;)
I'd have to say pseudo-no.
im still pissed off that yuyuko lost.... how the hell is youmu more moe then yuyuko?
Fan > sword for moe...
I'm not. She got exactly as far as I thought she could and lost to a character I think deserves to win more. And she didn't lose by some ridiculous margin either. Youmu's got the naivety and the personality quirks that fit the bill for moe better than Yuyuko does. Item of choice just won't matter to everyone, either.
I find Kogasa tries to be moe too hard, which puts me off.
The fact that I love Patchy makes it even easier to decide.
Honestly, it could be just the inverse for a lot of people. Kogasa's personality is directly geared towards being a cheerful and cute kid. It doesn't help that her ability has reached meta status and the poor thing gets beat up so much that it's just natural to pity her. Patchouli, on the other hand, is sedentary at best and reticent on a good day. It took fandom a lot of effort to force cute on her by milking stuff like catch phrases. I'd be willing to wager that
Also just noticed how the level 2 bosses seem to be geared to be the cute, rambunctious kid types. Cirno, Chen, Mystia, Hina (maybe not so much, but still cute), Kyouko, and uh...
Anyway, Kogasa fits the bill for that real well.
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Well, I voted for Kogasa this time... Personally I think she is way more moe than Patchu...
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I'm not gonna pretend to be completely clear on what moe is, but...
Kogasa is adorable. Patchouli is awesome, adorable, and mukyu.
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To me, this would be a much closer match if Nitori got through instead of Patchouli. As it is, Kogasa blows her away.
Also have a political ad.
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Suddenly, Arial? :( Bring back Times New Roman, uguu~!
Alice is the only character left whom I will not be disappointed if she wins.
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Suddenly, Arial? :( Bring back Times New Roman, uguu~!
Alice is the only character left whom I will not be disappointed if she wins.
How is Alice moe?
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How is Alice moe?
Choose your favorite:
Meganekko Alice...
Tsundere Alice...
Clumsy Alice...
Alice w/ Shanghai + Hourai...
Love struck Alice...
If you go deep enough in fanon, you can find many ways of moe (and many other
things that are cute but not actually moe)...
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I quite like canon Alice, as an interpretation of her shut-in nature being one of shyness.
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Welp, I don't think Alice is moe (especially in canon), but to each their own.
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This is probably by far the hardest round for me to choose between by far. I like both of the characters more than Kogasa though so however the results end up I'll be fine.
I like Youmu a bit more, but I find Alice just a little more moe by my standards. Getting cookie for now at least.
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Even though I like Alice a whole lot, I have to refer to my previous post about Youmu's cuteness. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11284.msg761968.html#msg761968) Besides, Yooou-muuuuu~!
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1550/1310397321268.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/1310397321268.png/)
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Well, she is the softest...
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Despite Youmu being extremely cute, I still voted for Alice...
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Even though I like Alice a whole lot, I have to refer to my previous post about Youmu's cuteness. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11284.msg761968.html#msg761968) Besides, Yooou-muuuuu~!
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1550/1310397321268.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/1310397321268.png/)
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Unfortunately she's right, it doesn't suit her very well. The dress is going to look so much better on Alice.
:dealwithit:
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Whoever wins this, I want her to lose to Kogasa. That way, when they lose by a greater margin than Patchy did, I can be satisfied with thinking that Patchy came in second place.
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Sorry but after reading this, Youmu has my vote for the rest of the tourney: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/Seventh_Chapter
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So Youmu won... Well, let's see what happens in this round.
If you don't vote for Kogasa this time, you will make her cry! (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5632/kogasa.png)
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And I say let her!
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Yay~ the forums is back and running again~
and yes finally the finals...
although im a little sad that neither flan or remi got into the finals...
anyways... rooting for youmu~
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Whoever wins, I'm real pleased with the outcome of things. The finals turned out to be exactly what I wanted them to be two months ago. It's between two really deserving characters too, and not JUST a couple of favorites.
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It's been a good tournament, and I've gained appreciation for some characters that I didn't have before. OK, mostly Hina, but it counts. It should be a great final, too, and these two are indeed incredibly moe. I just hope we don't get a mercenary rush like Alice/Koishi.
Whoever wins this, I want her to lose to Kogasa. That way, when they lose by a greater margin than Patchy did, I can be satisfied with thinking that Patchy came in second place.
Nah. Youmu by 15. Satori gets to claim second place. :V
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Going for Kogasa because it'll certainly be a surprise and a nice change from the obvious choices.
That and I find her more moe, but not by too much honestly. Just Kogasa is more likely to be moe.
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This final's match is what I dreamed of happening! So I'm please with how it turned out.
Kogasa and Youmu are definetly top tire moe matieral.
Anyways, I'm going be votin' Kogasa for the finals.
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Voting for Youmu, but at this rate I will be pleased no matter who actually wins. They're both the most moe characters for me.
It was also good seeing Nitori getting as far as she did.
Now for the Final Match :D
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Well, Youmu's made it to the finals.
I am pleased with this development. Obviously voting for Youmu.
Also have some brainwashing reminding on who to vote for.
Hint: it's not the umbrella.
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Umbrellas for the win!
Truth be told, there's something I find slightly repulsive about the relationship between Youmu and Yuyuko. I blame Usually Dead. That and Kogasa is the moest thing ever.
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Oh wait. If Kogasa won then Okuu would actually take second. (Unless it was really close.)
But I'm going to vote for Youmu. I never saw her as moe before, but these written works and whatever other forms of character development have really changed my mind. She's not the kind of moe that usually wins me over, but she's got quite a bit going for her. Plus Kogasa feels like she's riding through just because ZUN says she's moe.
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(http://critz.w.interii.pl/kogasa2.jpg) (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/677175/ahoge-bench-blue_eyes-blue_hair-blush-dress-hetero)
Would you like to have a seat?
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My dream finals would have been Patchouli and Alice, but they were both against really popular characters. Still, both of them made it very far, so I have no regrets.
/me closes his eyes and rests under the blossoming cherry tree one last time
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:flowerpower:
Why isn't Kogasa currently in first place?
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So, in the end it boils down to Kogasa vs. Youmu. Not surprising and I'm pleased with this result.
In the end, I voted for Youmu, but it wasn't an easy decision. Ultimately, both of them are great contenders for the victory and I won't really be disappointed if Kogasa wins.
I'm actually surprised that Youmu leads currently, but the difference is not that big and it can turn around pretty quickly.
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Youmu has an alright lead. At this rate though, youmu will probably win.
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Voting for Youmu as I said I would. I like both Alice and Youmu quite a lot more than Kogasa so this round is very easy for me to vote.
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I wish I found this earlier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-vgTy5YMZg&feature=autoplay&list=ULLetCSO03Yf4&lf=mfu_in_order&playnext=2)
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This fully explains my vote.
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Well i voted for Kogasa.. I'm still not happy with Youmu for beating Yuyuko.. Anyway I still think Kogasa is a little more moe then Youmu.
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Well, voting for Youmu, she clearly has moe traits in canon. What with her fail attempts at spying and fear of ghosts.
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Listening to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn1m5imSU2U) a lot made it clear who I'm voting for.
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Almost 1 hour left, and Youmu has a 10 vote lead. I think it's almost over.
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Two votes away from breaking Alice vs Koishi for biggest match. I hope there aren't any cheaters :c
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About 7 minutes left and Youmu seems to have clear lead, so I can already say this:
Congratulations Youmu Konpaku!!! You deserve it.
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Congrats to Youmu. Was hoping for Kogasa, but Youmu's cool too.
as long as it isn't Sakuya.
At least Koishi made it through to the second round beating another popular character, Suwako. Too bad she had to go against Alice next :(
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I would like to thank everyone who participated; The contest wouldn't have run without you. Thank you for putting up with me.
I don't think I'm going to run the contest again the same way next time (later this year - I'll probably do it September-ish.) I don't think this format "works" in the west. Nobody wants to wait an hour to vote. I didn't want the results to be in dispute due to cheating, so I put cheater protection above all else, and the result was that the results are too small to be considered representative of western fandom's feelings. I also expected vote counts to rise as the contest went on - The result is the OPPOSITE. People stop voting when their favorites are eliminated. With these two critical design failures, the contest was doomed to failure before it even began.
The bandwidth usage was far below what I expected, so I'll probably run my own imageboard next time, rather than expect pooshlmer to put up with it. I didn't even ask their permission. Both pooshlmer and 4chan told me to fuck off early on. I should probably go ask why.
I need to make the voting scripts and interface not look so bland and ugly. The status page should be a proper bracket instead of a database dump. This probably went a long way toward driving people off as well.
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Yay, Youmu won, and by 16 votes even.
When I saw the final match I thought it was over, but then when I voted Youmu had a 7 vote lead.
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Youmu won! :toot: I wanna hug her little ghost half so much.
I don't think I'm going to run the contest again the same way next time (later this year - I'll probably do it September-ish.) I don't think this format "works" in the west. Nobody wants to wait an hour to vote. I didn't want the results to be in dispute due to cheating, so I put cheater protection above all else, and the result was that the results are too small to be considered representative of western fandom's feelings. I also expected vote counts to rise as the contest went on - The result is the OPPOSITE. People stop voting when their favorites are eliminated. With these two critical design failures, the contest was doomed to failure before it even began.
I felt the anti-cheating measures were only a mild inconvenience at best, but most anons apparently disagree. On that note, I would suggest making people wait half an hour instead of an hour (unless technological reasons demand otherwise). Yes, there was cheating, but not as much as I expected; decreasing the waiting time would probably encourage more people to vote while deterring the cheaters.
As for the other design flaw, that one is out of anybody's control. I'm not sure how we could deal with this issue, though I agree that having your own imageboard for this would help.
I need to make the voting scripts and interface not look so bland and ugly. The status page should be a proper bracket instead of a database dump. This probably went a long way toward driving people off as well.
The interface was pretty plain, but don't be so hard on yourself on that point; the next one will hopefully be better.
P.S. We should have an extra match: Youmu (human half) vs. Myon (ghost half). (Just for fun. :))
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I hope Youmu half-dies eventually. :P
Good run. I wish I could've voted but for some reason my computer loves to be extra-useless when it comes to serious business.
I second (for the second time hehehe) the Extra Round, Youmu vs Myon.
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You're listening to the wrong sort of criticism if you think this was a failure.
Everything might not have been puppies and rainbows, and I'm not saying don't try to improve on the system, but the tournament was fair and all the (unfortunately unironic) drama was due to people being idiots and/or butthurt. And that was going to occur to a large extent regardless of what happened or how it happened. I'm not speaking for anyone else, but even in the results that made me lose faith in Myouren-kind I could always pick out at least one reason (besides popularity) - even if it were the outlandish notion held by some that this was the fanon seimoe contest and not the Touhou one - that could justify why an unequivocally lesser moehou prevailed.
And not having a gazillion-jillion votes doesn't somehow invalidate the results from our sample set. Thinking that this had to represent every hikikomori this side of the Pacific is not only silly but marginalizes the contributions of everyone who did vote. I think we had a nice little crowd of hooligans and we can be proud of the inanity we raised. And while some of the banter was admittedly cringe-worthy, most of it was in good humor, and I at least had a lot of fun participating (aside from having to witness the rng-induced matchup of mombrella and moebrella; that was just plain mean). I was also able to deepen my well of useless knowledge from all the reading up on characters that I did. And this... is...... a good thing?
Besides, if nothing else, this tourney gave us the Parsee thread, and this tender moment (http://seimoe.lunar-tokyo.net/kareha/kareha.pl/1323616216/120-120) made it all worthwhile.
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Youmu wins!
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I think the hour wait was a hassle; someone with only a casual interest in the competition wouldn't think it was worth their time to visit the site twice a day. It might be a necessary evil though. Suzuran, you seemed to have enough data to easily identify cheating and know where it was coming from, if somebody was spamming cheat votes en masse with no delay, would it still be feasible to catch and delete them?
Prettying up the site should be a priority, fortunately there are many of us who will be willing to help with that. An imageboard would help, but I imagine that would use about a zillion times more bandwidth than just a bunch of text.
For the sake of salvaging more characters from the wrath of the RNG god, maybe do something like having the first two rounds have four options, and the top two choices in each bracket move on? Satori vs Youmu in round 1 was heartbreaking D:
As a side note I really wish that in instances like where that idiot was bitching about wanting a Nue rematch you could just fucking ban them and delete their posts. It really kills the mood. But on a board with no registration the backlash would probably be even worse, so I guess there's nothing you can do about it. sadfaes.
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Speaking of RNG screws, the four people I originally thought would go to the semifinals were Youmu, Kogasa, and both of their round 2 opponents. Like I mentioned on the site, though, I don't think there's really a better system. Poor Satorin...
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Something I think would help would be to have a week of pools for the characters during which characters receive votes without competition, then when the round 1 brackets are made, the characters can be placed in matches according to their pools results. I feel like this would allow the less popular characters to at least get a more accurate representation of votes instead of a complete blowout that caused certain characters to get shafted in favour of 2 characters fighting for first, causing ONLY those two characters to get a disproportionate number of votes. The only problem with this is that it makes every match from the start a tough one, but if people have to start making tough choices from the beginning. it could also be a good sign.
Also, yeah myonmyon! Congratulations to Kogasa for getting so far, and to everyone else who was able to make it out of the toughness of the first bracket!
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I would like to express my opinion as someone who did not vote at all.
The reason I didn't was because I still don't get what am I supposed to vote for. I get it that is wasn't just a popularity contest, but I still don't understand what "moe" is and how am I supposed to choose a character based on moe level.
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but I still don't understand what "moe" is and how am I supposed to choose a character based on moe level.
The answer to all similar and subjective questions (and entire fanon):
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Is dat a Chocolate Tewi?
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The answer to all similar and subjective questions (and entire fanon):
So "moe" is "whatever you want it to be"? How does this contest work then?
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@ Umi-chan, yes >=3
So "moe" is "whatever you want it to be"? How does this contest work then?
You just answered your own question.
Moe traits are what people wish them to be. For example, if I were to vote on Kogasa I would do it because she is a cheerful girl with her tongue sticking out both on her body and actual form. Just because I am probably finding silly cheerful girls cute. At the same time, someone would disagree and vote for different reasoning or girl. Not to mention my viewpoint on the whole contest would've had more canon-based vote rather than fanon-based vote. Have you noticed how on previous pages people were outputting posts such as: "Girl X isn't moe!" etc etc.
A popularity contest entails the ENTIRE story about a touhou character. Music, behaviour, canon, fanon, looks etc. A moe contest you obviously have to look at a more narrow picture, which makes it more subjective than a popularity pick. Both are subjective, because a vote it self is an opinion. Except people don't get this.
This contest it self has no flaws on its own. It is just what people make of it. Me and Suzuran clashed a few times in small discussions on IRC about my opinion though at the end I don't blame him for anything because he did what he had to do. You could sometimes see people hate-voting against a girl because their waifu got eliminated. Sometimes you'd see unpopular matches (where the votecount was dramatic low).
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You just answered your own question.
Moe traits are what people wish them to be. For example, if I were to vote on Kogasa I would do it because she is a cheerful girl with her tongue sticking out both on her body and actual form. Just because I am probably finding silly cheerful girls cute. At the same time, someone would disagree and vote for different reasoning or girl. Not to mention my viewpoint on the whole contest would've had more canon-based vote rather than fanon-based vote. Have you noticed how on previous pages people were outputting posts such as: "Girl X isn't moe!" etc etc.
A popularity contest entails the ENTIRE story about a touhou character. Music, behaviour, canon, fanon, looks etc. A moe contest you obviously have to look at a more narrow picture, which makes it more subjective than a popularity pick. Both are subjective, because a vote it self is an opinion. Except people don't get this.
This contest it self has no flaws on its own. It is just what people make of it. Me and Suzuran clashed a few times in small discussions on IRC about my opinion though at the end I don't blame him for anything because he did what he had to do. You could sometimes see people hate-voting against a girl because their waifu got eliminated. Sometimes you'd see unpopular matches (where the votecount was dramatic low).
Thanks, I think I get it now. I probably still won't vote, since my opinion on Touhou girls changes constantly after I read a new doujin or see a new picture, so I don't think I'm good enough to decide. Besides, I hate to see someone losing. But good luck with future contests, I'll definitely follow them.
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I don't think there is such thing as not being good enough to decide. Voting for these kinds of contests is just for fun. If you change your
mind later, that is fine, just vote accordingly next time and the next time after that.
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Considering that there will be future contests (somewhat regularly?), it hardly makes anything final, or defining; especially when the criteria is so subjective.
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Just wondering, has there been a bracket featuring the results of this poll posted anywhere?
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The wiki page (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Seimoe_2011) is a good bet. It appears that http://seimoe.lunar-tokyo.net/ (http://seimoe.lunar-tokyo.net/) no longer carries the archive.