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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Pesco on April 07, 2011, 08:36:18 PM

Title: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 07, 2011, 08:36:18 PM
Ten years ago, an inscrutable and abnormal territory known as Hell's Gate appeared in Tokyo, altering the sky and wreaking havoc on the landscape. The real stars disappeared, replaced by false stars. During this time, people possessing various special abilities emerged, each capable of different supernatural feats - these are known as Contractors.

Various nations and organizations around the world train and utilize Contractors as spies and assassins, resulting in violent battles for valuable objects and information.

Now 14 of you are gathered here. Everyone is looking to keep themselves alive, a few more of you are hoping to keep the rest dead.


Welcome to Darker than Black Mafia. The game borrows the theme of contractors from the original series.

Rules
This is a nightless setup. Once a lynch is reached, the next day will begin.
Players that are lynched or removed from the game in any way will have their player name and role name (the coloured text in your role PM) given on the flip. No further information will be available.
All normal days will be 72 hours, including twilight. Twilight may last between 6 and 12 hours.
LyLo days will last 120 hours, including twilight. Potential LyLo will not be differentiated from true LyLo.
You may use your abilities, if you have any, at the times specified in your roles PMs. The scum faction may choose one of their own to perform their factional kill ability or not.
If your role PM does not say you can do something, you can not do it. Ask the mod if in doubt.
Voting must be in the format of ##Vote Name. Unvoting is required before placing a new vote.
If no majority is reached, there will be no lynch.
Do not directly quote any mod communication in any way, including screenshots. Have a mod look over a post if you are unsure.
Players that do not post in the game thread at least once every 24 hours will be prodded.

Note for contractors
You may not use your ability again until you have paid your price. Failure to pay the price will result in modkill.

Play to win. Have fun. Don't be a Seniwac :V.

Your star still shines
1. Dormio
4. Hanged Hourai
5. Schezo
7. UK
10. rdj PX

Fallen stars
6. capt H - Kurusawa Gai - Human Detective Lynched Day 1
3. Shadoweh - Mina Hazuki - Contractor killed Day 1
12. Serpentarius - Amber - Contractor killed Day 1
2. NeoSerela - Huang - Human Lynched Day 2
11. Conqueror - Mikhail Pavlichenko - Human Scientist Killed Day 2
8. Bardiche - Maki - Contractor Killed Day 2
13. Helepolis - Kyuubey - not a character from Darker than Black lynched Day 3
14. Huhwhat - Jean - contractor killed Day 3
9. Zakeri - Mao - cat killed Day 3

End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598930.html#msg598930)
End of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602271.html#msg602271)
End of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg605767.html#msg605767)
Role PMs going out. Follow the instructions given in them.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 07, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
MANIC FIRST CONFIRMATION YEAH
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Serela on April 07, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
Confirmed!

...I'm boring and don't have anything to add to that
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 07, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 07, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
/Profirm

Standing against things is so negative guys :(
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Conqueror on April 07, 2011, 08:59:14 PM
Second-hand tobacco smoke contains a large amount of harmful substances. Inhaled directly, smoke contains 5.3 to 43 nanograms of carcinogenic nitrosamines, compared to 680 to 823 nanograms when inhaled second-hand. The second-hand smoker also inhales eleven times the volume of smoke itself, 18,000 nanograms in all. So the risk to the surrounding confirmation is far greater than to the smoker himself.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Pesco on April 07, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
All role PMs are out. Your timer starts now.

Deadline is at 72 hours from the timestamp of this post, 10th April 23:00 in GMT+2.

Voting
Nobody

Not voting
Everyone

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 07, 2011, 09:02:37 PM
It started already?
Wait, it's already starting?

##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 07, 2011, 09:04:44 PM
OMGUS.

##Vote WHMZakeri

Scummiest player so far. Would lynch. Advocate everyone to lynch Zakeri.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Conqueror on April 07, 2011, 09:06:25 PM
##Vote Schezo
As seen on TV!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 07, 2011, 09:06:46 PM
That's not a white mage! Why you do dis to me? >:( You know I can't live without my fix!

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Serela on April 07, 2011, 09:08:06 PM
##Vote NeoSer-oh wait we're not in LyLo yet just kidding *cough*

##Vote Zakeri
Because ~*~BANDWAGONS~*~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 07, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
##Vote Pesco

Wait, hear me out guys. Pesco knows who the scum are, right?
And if he were town, he'd tell us who they were right?
THEREFORE PESCO IS WORKING AGAINST THE TOWN, AND THEREFORE SCUM!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 07, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
Serela is third on the wagon. Obviously a cunning ploy from scum Serela where she is too scummy to be scum.

IOW I am now completely convinced Serela is town, lynch Zakeri. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 07, 2011, 09:16:36 PM
How could my fellow Kogasas turn against me so suddenly?

##Unvote: Bardiche
##Vote: Neoserela


For breaking my heart, you bumbershoots.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 07, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
Confirmation!

##Vote: Shadoweh for bringing me into this tobacco-filled place. D:<
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 07, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
Confirmation. . .



##Vote: rdj

/me gently walks staring at the sky.

Hmmm, that is odd. I have been taught stars normally guide a person during the night. Today, the sky seems strange.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Startup and confirmation)
Post by: Pesco on April 07, 2011, 09:25:05 PM
Voting
NeoSerela: Zakeri,
Zakeri: Bardiche, Shadoweh, NeoSerela
Schezo: Conqueror
Shadoweh: rdj
rdj: Helepolis

Not voting
Dormio, Schezo, UK, Capt H, Hourai, Serp, Yonowaaru

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch.

Edit: Reminder send your actions to myself AND Kitten4u.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 07, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
##Vote: Serp
> :<
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 07, 2011, 09:37:30 PM
/confirm

##Vote PX

Wait, what do you mean PX isn't in this game?
But he's scum damn it.

##Vote Helepolis

How could you recover from your cold in like two days when I'm still sick(er).
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 07, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
/confirm

##Vote Hanged Hourai

For being a spy!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 07, 2011, 09:52:57 PM
Pesco, I'm voting you. Why are you ignoring my vote on Pesco?

[pesco]/care :V[/pesco]
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Schezo on April 07, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
That guy in red over there seems to know what's going on.

##Vote: rdj
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 07, 2011, 10:51:53 PM
That guy in red? Don't you remember red is the color of SCUM? Or truth in someone else's case. Of course Pesco is scum but we can only beat him by lynching the other scum first.
##Vote NeoSer-oh wait we're not in LyLo yet just kidding *cough*

##Vote Zakeri
Because ~*~BANDWAGONS~*~

Hey speaking of the other scum. Serela, are you trying to use the RVS again to excuse your extremely anti-sanity play? Trying to vote yourself, hopping on the bandwagon, third even and promising to kill us all in the end, you are the epitome of anti-town and shall receive my scorn! Today you can call my scorn the kiss of death.
*Shadoweh kisses NeoSerela in disgust*

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela


What a horrible flavor. Now to chase after Kitten4co-mod for nooo reasonn~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 12:19:08 AM
That guy in red? Don't you remember red is the color of SCUM? Or truth in someone else's case. Of course Pesco is scum but we can only beat him by lynching the other scum first.
Hey speaking of the other scum. Serela, are you trying to use the RVS again to excuse your extremely anti-sanity play? Trying to vote yourself, hopping on the bandwagon, third even and promising to kill us all in the end, you are the epitome of anti-town and shall receive my scorn! Today you can call my scorn the kiss of death.
*Shadoweh kisses NeoSerela in disgust*

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela


What a horrible flavor. Now to chase after Kitten4co-mod for nooo reasonn~

I thought the kiss of death was something the mafia only did to other mafia.

##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 02:34:46 AM
Alright, most of us are only active in evenings, and there haven't been nearly enough posts for early first day, so even if it's joke vote phase, we should at least joke vote somewhat. Otherwise the evening won't be much fun. The last post from a player other than me was 3 hours ago, and I know at least a couple of you are online.

Shadoweh, I don't think I've seen you advocate a policy lynch before. While I'm all for lynching NeoSerela, I've taken a lot of criticism for arguing to lynch someone based on their playing in the previous game. Now I wasn't sure where the term "kiss of death" comes from, so I used wikipedia, and it said it's actually called the "Kiss of Judas" or the betrayal of Christ, and is not something innocents would do. Your response?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 08, 2011, 02:51:34 AM
Voting
NeoSerela(2): Zakeri, Shadoweh
Zakeri(2): Bardiche, NeoSerela
Schezo(1): Conqueror
Shadoweh(2): rdj, Capt H
rdj(2): Helepolis, Schezo
Serpentarius(1): Hanged Hourai
Helepolis(1): Dormio

Not voting
UK,  Serp, Yonowaaru

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~65 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 03:09:30 AM
Oh there she is~
Did I say about lynching Serela for previous play? He's acting this way right now. Playing to his Obv-Insane meta to hide his scum-filled cream center won't get him through Day 1 this time.

This tabloid and sleep is going to keep me from responding until morning, so you'll have to wait for the other OBVSCUM LURKERS to appear.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 03:16:30 AM
EBWOM: 'say anything about' even. type good read words long time
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 03:34:35 AM
You know, as jerkish as Helepolis is for recovering before me, Hanged HouraiMokou's name has a SPACE in it.
Do you know what hangs around in SPACE?
That's right, the stars.
Need I say more?

##Unvote
##Vote Hanged Mokou
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 04:23:42 AM
Come to think of it...

@Hanged Hourai - I like your avatar. Where is it from?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 08, 2011, 05:29:15 AM
Confirmed, sorry, timezones >_<
##Vote Caedo
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Pesco on April 08, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
I never said you could edit your post, so don't do it. Not even to correct typos.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 06:17:37 AM
We seem to have some clustered voting. Take a look at the people who did not voted yet. Especially Serpentarius and Yonowaaru. They didn't even reply in the thread yet. Probably because they are waiting for votes to strike. Typically what a scum would do and then act like he is helping out.

##Unvote: rdj
##Vote: Serpentarius
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 06:25:08 AM
Look at that Helepolis, not reading and stuff.
Yonowaaru has both posted and voted.
Also, LAL when the game has been going for less than 12 hours.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Serp on April 08, 2011, 07:04:54 AM
Trying too hard to fulfill her RVS meta.

##Vote UncertainKitten
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 08, 2011, 08:05:04 AM
Voting
NeoSerela(2): Zakeri, Shadoweh
Zakeri(2): Bardiche, NeoSerela
Schezo(1): Conqueror
Shadoweh(2): rdj, Capt H
rdj(1): Schezo
Serp(2): Hanged Hourai, Helepolis
Hanged Hourai(1): Dormio
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
UncertainKitten(1): Serp

Not voting
UK

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~59 hours remain

[pesco]Gosh durn it I wanted to do the votecount :<[/pesco]
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 08, 2011, 08:06:31 AM
Everyone's posted at least once, soo...

Quote
Not Voting: UK

##Unvote
##Vote: UncertainKitten
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 12:10:51 PM
If we lynch the mod, then who's going to start day 2?

##Unvote
##Vote Uncertain Kitten
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 08, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Whoa, do we really have to vote him with so much time left? I'm sticking with my vote for now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
Whoa, do we really have to vote him with so much time left? I'm sticking with my vote for now.

##Unvote
##Vote Yonowaruu


Why are you treating the previous votes, most notably the vote against UK, as having a justification? Especially since you have provided no justification for your vote on Dormio, not even a joke vote reason. You have no reason to stick with any vote for now, so why are you doing so?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 01:02:52 PM
ARE YOU SCUMHUNTING CITIZENS? Remember, failure to scumhunt is treason!

capt.h: Was my "I am ignoring the hell out of you" response REALLY good enough for you to run off on jokevotes again? Really? You don't make people talk by unvoting them, you keep the pressure on them and never let go! Do you get a prize if you vote everyone once on the first day?

Yonowaruu: Yes, even with this much time left we must lay out the votes. Your vote has the weight of your belief behind it, assault the ones you think are scum with it.

Dormio: Considering lurkers get too much of a free pass on Day 1 I'm still up for LAL 24/7. Do you have a problem with lurkers not being allowed to sit back and wait for Day 2?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
Lynch Zakeri before he pulls another one-week lurk.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 01:15:13 PM
Bardy, Your super-subliminal advertising aside, do you have any opinions besides that?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 01:18:18 PM
Yonowaruu: Any reason whatsoever that you're voting for me?
Like, seriously?

Shadoweh: No, I don't like lurkers. But policy lynching is bad, at least I think so.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
... And so it begins.

Bardiche: So you're going to support LAL?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 01:37:02 PM
I am of the opinion that there is little to no serious engagement thus far. I am completely fine with pursuing a policy lynch on Zakeri at present.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 01:43:13 PM
A policy lynch D1 tells us next to nothing, no?
I'd rather not enter D2 with no knowledge other than the fact that 8 people were willing to have someone lynched for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 08, 2011, 01:48:43 PM
I'm just going with the group for now. We have no actual information on D1, now have we?
I was just voting randomly, as usually happens on day 1. Or is that different here?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 02:21:15 PM
No, but you voted for me. :V

Anyway.
What's with the sudden bandwagoning, capt. h?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
I sleep for awhile and nothing happens still? You all suck.

And I am voting. I'm voting Pesco. Pesco is just a jerk and not counting it because he's afraid of being lynched. See? He's even showing survivalist instincts against the town! If he weren't against the town, he'd count *every single vote*. What pro town reason could he have for silencing a voice, after all!

And this is why we should lynch Pesco.

But, anyway, more seriously, I'll vote when something catches my eye. Nothing has thus far. I mean, seriously, guys, give me *something* here! Bard didn't even give me something to tunnel him on!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 02:51:44 PM
But, anyway, more seriously, I'll vote when something catches my eye. Nothing has thus far. I mean, seriously, guys, give me *something* here! Bard didn't even give me something to tunnel him on!

That's just it, though, there's hardly anything to give on day 1. And from what I understand, a nightless setup means that because of the short twilight, there's not much time for people to send in night actions, so some people may not make their submissions in time. Basically, there may not be much to go on when day 2 rolls around either.

With that said...

You know, as jerkish as Helepolis is for recovering before me, Hanged HouraiMokou's name has a SPACE in it.
Do you know what hangs around in SPACE?
That's right, the stars.
Need I say more?

##Unvote
##Vote Hanged Mokou


The stars are supposed to STAY in the sky, though! This reads to me like you want to destroy ALL the stars.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 02:54:17 PM
@rdj: Actually, lots of good stuff happens D1. A lot of it you can't use until later though. That said, I'm certain I'll find something interesting within a timely fashion. Something interesting *always* happens, assuming this isn't just one huge RVS.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Complaining about how little information we have going into Day 1 does little to assist in actually gathering information. Everyone has posted once, so there are scum in here somewhere. Since I'm feeling oh so helpful here's 11 things so far people have done that you can comment on! Speak well and be rewarded with kisses of encouragement. Speak badly and be scorned with kisses of death like black widow spiders.

1 : Bardiche hasn't made a post yet without Lynch and Zakeri in it.
2 : NeoSerela loves ~*~BANDWAGONS~*~
3 : Shadoweh really wants NeoSerela to die plz.
4 : capt.h can't make up his mind to save his lynch.
5 : Helepolis engages war on the lurkers.
6 : Serpentarius makes a mini-version of my Serela case for UK.
7 : Yonowaruu making excuses for not having an opinion already.
8 : UK sittin' back and taking it easy. I will fight you.
9 : rdj voting Dormio for a post last page ignoring his Day 2 content?
10: Schezo, Conqueror, Hanged Mokou, who are these guys again?
11: Shadoweh made a list of things for you to look at.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
You know what all those things have in common, Shadoweh? They aren't at all interesting or helpful~.

They're just...things. They have little bearing on the game in it's current state. If you want to be helpful, maybe you should tell us what you think of those things.

I'll even start. None of them interest me in the slightest!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 04:29:36 PM
I'm completely convinced UK is town, BFFs forever.

/me highfives UK.

Want to lynch Shadoweh together?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Eh, much as I appreciate the sentiment, Shadoweh is also town. She's just pushing too hard, too soon. Like she always does. I expect as things get more interesting, she'll level off.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 04:36:23 PM
Oh, I know, but the game won't move unless someone does something. There's only lollygagging about and Shadoweh going OMG GIEV OPINION when she has provided none of her own.

The effort's appreciated, just that it has little backbone. I mean, point 6), there's nowhere ever a reflection of her own feelings on the matter. Why should we respond to things Shadoweh doesn't even provide opinions to?

Out of all people I still think it's best just to get a train started and see where that leads us, and if we do it on Zakeri, worst-case he gets his just desserts for being lurkscum. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
That is actually a fair point. But to be honest, I figured she missed it because she was thinking...

Actually, you know what? She can tell me what she was thinking.

I have a theory that would assign her town intent. There are also scum intended answers. So, Shadoweh, how about it? Why no opinions in your cute post?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
For UK:

1 : Bardiche just broke his combo anyways, with a post that scares me more then any post made before.
2 : I'm already voting NeoSerela what more do you want from me?
3 : I think.. Shadoweh wants NeoSerela to die!
4 : capt.h coming off scummy like you wouldn't believe to me.
5 : I already said I'm all for lynching all lurkers 24/7. Contribute or die!
6 : It would really depend on where Serp takes it, but it's a lazy post. Like all of you. LAZEE.
7 : Mmmm not going to say what I think of Yonowaruu.
8 : I think I will fight you in a text wall war that destroys civilizations.
9 : Nope, not going to comment  on rdj either.
10: Wouldn't want people to forget who else is playing.
11: I think Shadoweh really wants to PLAY MAFIA.

How about you stop deflecting and make an opinion someone can actually hold you to? And don't cut me with opinions, then I have to rewrite parts of my post! You guys slammed me for this last time too. When I pose something to give an opinion on the reaction is more interesting then whatever I asked. It's annoying you expect me to give the right answers first.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 04:49:02 PM
Like I said, lurkers could be simply scums, waiting for several votes to occur just to give the final required vote. The current state we are in, surely proves nobody is for sure what is going on.

Plus, we have no idea what abilities those star-guys have. It is not like Marisa's stars from her spell cards. But I am sure they have some tricky abilities. If indeed the lurkers have an ability, we will just have to force them to reveal it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
No, but you voted for me. :V

Anyway.
What's with the sudden bandwagoning, capt. h?

Boredom. Wanted to get out of RVS.

I'm just going with the group for now. We have no actual information on D1, now have we?
I was just voting randomly, as usually happens on day 1. Or is that different here?

Too defensive. Answers a question with a question. And no one just votes randomly, they have a random reason to go with their random vote.

What's your opinion on the players in this game?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Pesco on April 08, 2011, 04:53:19 PM
Voting
NeoSerela(1): Shadoweh
Zakeri(2): Bardiche, NeoSerela
Schezo(1): Conqueror
rdj(1): Schezo
Serp(2): Hanged Hourai, Helepolis
Hanged Hourai(1): Dormio
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru, rdj
UncertainKitten(1): Serp, Zakeri
Yonowaaru(1): capt H

Not voting
UK

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~52 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
1: Why does it scare you? It's easy to say things. What's the reasoning?
2: Fair nuff, though I considered that an RVS vote more than anything
3: Yes, and?
4: How so? Capt. h. is about within normal boundaries at the moment. For someone so interested in saving the noobs, you sure seem to be willing to jump on them for noobfails.
5: Yes, but lurking doesn't exactly happen in 17 hours of game time. It's a pretty neat shield to hide behind though
6: Serp's vote is silly. If he maintains it is serious, THEN it becomes *very* interesting.
7: Another attack on the noobs. Interesting you ask others for opinions on him without saying your own.
8: Hell yeah. Throwin' down the gauntlet.
9: See seven.
10: If we forget who is playing that's a pretty good indicator they're doin it rong.
11: Your list remains uninteresting.

Anyway, it's a wash. Your answer is EXACTLY what I expected from a townie. Your list trying to get us to attack noobs, however, feels scummy. So, let's go there. Why are you so interested in opinions on noobs, particularly when your ~*~list~*~ has a lot of negative connotions with regards to them?

@Hele: Sound theory, not great in practice. You're right that lurker pressuring is important...when it reaches a point of actual lurking. Further, it's less about sneaking in to hammer, because that gets the town on someone like the wrath of preferred deity, but more about without solid stances to look back on, it's hard to figure out intent. I'm generally of the school that the more you post, the more pro town you're being. Because if you're town, your intent will show through, even if you say some dumb things. If you're scum, you'll eventually be caught because you can't go towards your win con AND show a lot of pro town intent. Not easily. You generally have to frame scum intended things as pro town, and these eventually get ferreted out.

So, tl;dr: Lynching Lurkers is good because more posting is pro town. But lurkers can't really be determined 17 hours into D1.

The cuttings T_T
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 05:00:44 PM
But a scum with an ability, who has nothing to fear might talk just as much in trying to blend with the Town.

And my words wasn't a theory. It was more like the obvious which always works. When people a getting cornered, either they will fight back or give up. We want to call out the Townies and filter the scum. Right now, focussing on lurkers is step 1. We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 05:18:38 PM
>Mafia
>Always works

Wellp.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
Is there scum among us? Verily so. In fact, I would daresay that there are so many scumbags about that an infinite daytime vigilante shot I can fire off immediately in all directions but UK (who is my BFF for this game) would be so incredibly liberating I would hump Pesco's leg and then some if he magically granted me it.

Mrf. Sadly I suspect not even Pesco is willing to provide me such. Where does that leave us? Right here, right now, is where it leaves us exactly. A grey area of resolutions that are hidden by the dusk and night, where we all watch warily for movements that should not take place. But what if they take no place? We are left to ponder in the dark.

Ah, there are a few people who contribute to this state of limbo by providing nothing absolutely. There is no reason we should suffer them to live, yet evidently, we let them live. Is Town so frivolous we have the luxury to sit around twiddling our thumbs as the darkness creeps closer?

Kitten here is clearly the shining beacon of excellence and excelsior who shall pierce the darkness, and I must follow her resolutely, or not at all. Will this lead to my demise, or that of town? I know not.

Evidently, I know very little. But it is that little that makes us grand. That makes us truly shine and stand apart. Because what better way to catch scum than to unite our littles and make it into a grand?

Bardiche, gatherer of Grandness. It is a title I would love to add to my list of titles, which include but are not limited to "Night Ranter", "Ass" and "LolBard".

Oh, how fate deals me terrible hands by bestowing me such unworthy titles that do not herald of my excellence and awesome!

... Maybe I'm getting off topic. We need to lynch scum, and for us to lynch scum, we need to take action.

But Bard, you say, what actions to take?

... Sorry.

Bard doesn't know.

You do know, right?

Touch people's hearts and convict the scum.

Obstinately hunt them down.

Unite and kill the lurkers.

Chase them all to the pits of hell and back again!

Help me lynch Zakeri for being obv lurkscum!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
... whoops, I guess I got carried away. Ignore me, carry on lurking fine chaps.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 05:57:30 PM
But a scum with an ability, who has nothing to fear might talk just as much in trying to blend with the Town.

And my words wasn't a theory. It was more like the obvious which always works. When people a getting cornered, either they will fight back or give up. We want to call out the Townies and filter the scum. Right now, focussing on lurkers is step 1. We'll see what happens.

As UK said, though, you can't really determine who's lurking during the first part of day 1. A bit more time is needed for actions to take place and for opinions to be formulated around those actions.

I agree with the rest of your post, however.

Cut by Bardiche: Again, how do we know Zakeri is lurkscum when day 1 isn't even halfway through yet? If anything, Dormio's move to lynch Hanged Mokou based on "he's a star in the sky" is more scummy. Look at the OP:

Quote from: header for living players
Your star still shines
Quote from: header for dead players
Fallen stars

Do you see what this means? We are all stars in the sky, and if Dormio wants to lynch one person for being a star, he'll want to lynch us all.

Cut by Bardiche again: Ignoring anyone is detrimental, isn't it?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 06:07:51 PM
So uh, what exactly do I need to respond to? Has anyone done anything yet? No? Then lynch Zakeri and saunter into a good future with me! Pause only for applause!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Conqueror on April 08, 2011, 06:23:33 PM
Bard must be trying out a new playstyle or something because I've never seen him mess around in the RVS this much before. From what I've seen, usually he'd just take action and do something instead of just talking about taking action.

@rdj Are you trying to make some sort of case on Dormio?

##Unvote
##Vote:Conqueror

Alright, lynch me, on to day two guys.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 06:25:05 PM
I change playstyles each and every game, or strive to. Variety is the spice of life and the soul of fire.

##UNVOTE
##Vote: Conqueror


I see your proposition and agree.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
UK are you telling me I shouldn't be terrified of a UK/Bardiche OTP alliance? If his plan is for me to have no idea what to think of him it's working.  :ohdear: I'm not sure if he's going after Zak or running for election. Night Virus was a title of affection you know~

Simply put, the new players unsurprisingly made more of what I would consider mistakes, thus they are mentioned more then they who are merely lurking and waiting for blood in the water. Why are you so interested in hearing what I think about their movements without ever putting forth an opinion of your own on it? 'Within normal boundaries' on 1/3 isn't good enough for me. You can answer and ask at the same time. The more you hold back the less inclined I am to answer you.

Helepolis: Abilities or not scum will always walk in fear among us, whether in hiding or in a green mask. UK is right in that nothing always works in Mafia, but I agree with the ideal of your plan.

rdj:  If you're going to keep pushing for Dormio based on something he said earlier I'm going to insist you tell us what you thought of the rest of his posts. Hopefully Bardiche is being facetious and doesn't actually want you to ignore him.

Conqueror: I'm going to look away, and when I look back you're not going to be voting for yourself, okay? Why you do this to me?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 06:51:01 PM
Of course I?m facetious, do I look like I have my serious face on?

Then again, neither do you.

##UNMASK: Shadoweh

HAVE AT YOU.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 08, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
Admittedly? Bard's buddying bugs me, but I'm not willing to pursue it as of yet. Looking for some other associations to see where things lead.

Anyway, we're at an impasse on things then. I already told you nothing interesting has happened. Yet you seem to be trying to frame newbie actions in such a way to make them look scummy. This reads less like trying to get reactions and more like trying to trap people that aren't necessarily scum.

So, I've answered three times now. You're turn.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 07:01:32 PM
Bard: I hope you didn't really just use a town power on me thinking I'm scum. That would be insulting. I've been moderately serious for awhile which is more then I can say for.. everyone.

UK: Newbies don't need to be framed to look scummy, they do it on their own. I am not interested in pursuing them.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 07:11:28 PM
Simply put, the new players unsurprisingly made more of what I would consider mistakes, thus they are mentioned more then they who are merely lurking and waiting for blood in the water.

Could you elaborate, please?

Quote
rdj:  If you're going to keep pushing for Dormio based on something he said earlier I'm going to insist you tell us what you thought of the rest of his posts. Hopefully Bardiche is being facetious and doesn't actually want you to ignore him.

All right then.

Reply #19: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596436.html#msg596436) His vote on Helepolis here doesn't have anything to do with in-game actions, much like my original vote on you was unrelated to the game's events. After all, what events WERE there at that point in time? Null tell.

Reply #29: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596686.html#msg596686) This one, however, does have to do with the game. Dormio's reasoning starts out quite random, but by the third line, coalesces into "Hanged Mokou is a star in the sky, and so I'm going to suggest we lynch him". Given that the OP suggests that we are ALL stars in the sky, Dormio is essentially suggesting that we should all die. Even if that was not his intent (and it very well may not be because day 1 is day 1), this post seems scummy to me.

Reply #34: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596784.html#msg596784) Here he's just correcting Hele concerning Yonowaaru's posting in the thread. Null tell here.

Reply #44: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596939.html#msg596939) Questioning Yonowaaru's vote on him, which is understandable since there was no reason given. However, he also says he doesn't like policy lynching; from what I understand, lynching lurkers can be beneficial when there are no other leads. Because it's  so early in day 1, however, do we really know who's lurking? I'm not sure what to think of this post.


Replies #46,
(http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596948.html#msg596948) #48: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596960.html#msg596960): Nothing to go off of here.

Overall, it's that one post that has me raising an eyebrow. I admit I'm not great at scrutinizing, but I would like Dormio to address this. Until then, or unless a stronger case is built on someone else, this is where my vote is staying.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 07:12:14 PM
Like I said, lurkers could be simply scums, waiting for several votes to occur just to give the final required vote. The current state we are in, surely proves nobody is for sure what is going on.

Plus, we have no idea what abilities those star-guys have. It is not like Marisa's stars from her spell cards. But I am sure they have some tricky abilities. If indeed the lurkers have an ability, we will just have to force them to reveal it.
But a scum with an ability, who has nothing to fear might talk just as much in trying to blend with the Town.

And my words wasn't a theory. It was more like the obvious which always works. When people a getting cornered, either they will fight back or give up. We want to call out the Townies and filter the scum. Right now, focussing on lurkers is step 1. We'll see what happens.

Alright, there's something very off about you. First, the way you word things is very strange, much like Bard's normal playing. Second, you keep bringing up scum abilities for no reason. And you haven't offered your opinion on anyone quite yet.

Why do you keep bringing up scum abilities?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 07:21:07 PM
Scum abilities? I said: there is a possibility of a scum having one of the star's abilities, thus could perhaps make him/her more confident with it. Have you considered this possibility? You probably did not.

And there is noway we are going to find out like this.  I thought it was obvious when the mod opened the post himself with certain people would have certain abilities. Do you think only Townies can have abilities? I don't think so. Best be to cautious with these abilities, as we don't know them all yet.

However, it seems that Bard has already used an ability on Shadow. Most likely as the name states, it will show his true face. So we got one ability revealed already on day 1.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 07:26:22 PM
Could you elaborate, please?
The less someone knows about what's considered scummy the more likely they are to act that way by accident.
If we go through an entire day without leads.. uhm.. no that really shouldn't be possible with us. I assure you we won't need to default any lynches to policy. We might lynch active lurkers or absent lurkers for being scummy but not just because.  I will leave you to your case but insist you give an opinion on people other then Dormio as well. Tunneling and ignoring the rest of the game can also be considered scummy.

Helepolis: We don't need a list of people's powers this early. Hunting for scum intent is more important. Don't call me he.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 07:28:56 PM
OT
Don't call me he.  :ohdear:
My apologies ** bows **


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Scum abilities? I said: there is a possibility of a scum having one of the star's abilities, thus could perhaps make him/her more confident with it. Have you considered this possibility? You probably did not.

And there is noway we are going to find out like this.  I thought it was obvious when the mod opened the post himself with certain people would have certain abilities. Do you think only Townies can have abilities? I don't think so. Best be to cautious with these abilities, as we don't know them all yet.

However, it seems that Bard has already used an ability on Shadow. Most likely as the name states, it will show his true face. So we got one ability revealed already on day 1.

I've considered the possibility of contracts. It occurs to me that one of our scum may be operating under some kind of post restriction as a condition of their contract. And I think you are operating on some kind of post restriction.

We can't be cautious about the unknown because we have absolutely no idea the nature of the threat it poses. Bringing up the fact that scum have tricky abilities right now doesn't seem to serve any purpose. And yes, the fact that scum have abilities is completely obvious by the nature of contractors being superpowered in the show, and the fact that Pesco pretty much told us as much when he told us that contractors had to pay the price.

Now, you say there's no way we're going to find out these abilities the way we're currently going about this. So let's here it; how would you go about this game?

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 07:43:25 PM
Your assumptions on me possibly having posting-restrictions made me smirk for a moment. A person with restriction would carefully consider their movements and actions. A person not bound to restrictions has none of these limitations and thus has no reason to consider actions except for hunting out the scums.

The point I raised doesn't serve any purpose indeed. I agree, however, but it does keep us sharp. I don't see how that is harmful? And I already explain my proposal above multiple times. I'll repeat it once more for you: Corner the silent/lurkers (what ever you want to name them). After all, we want to get rid of the "unknown" now don't we?

Or is that bothering you?

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:00:20 PM
Lolno, I was joking. That's no ability boyo, no ability.

That said, rdj looks best so far for actually propagating serious with his serious face on, so :). Helepolis is confusing because he doesn't actually do anything than rolefish :derp:. Capt H is pursuing a useless venue by attacking semantics :derp:. Shadoweh is :(. UK is :V.

Zakeri is scum. Lynch~!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 08:13:09 PM
The less someone knows about what's considered scummy the more likely they are to act that way by accident.
If we go through an entire day without leads.. uhm.. no that really shouldn't be possible with us. I assure you we won't need to default any lynches to policy. We might lynch active lurkers or absent lurkers for being scummy but not just because.

Understandable on both counts.

Quote
I will leave you to your case but insist you give an opinion on people other then Dormio as well. Tunneling and ignoring the rest of the game can also be considered scummy.

Opinions on other players? Let's see...

NeoSerela - bandwagoning Zakeri
Shadoweh - everyone lay out your opinions NOW
capt. h - seems to be all over the map with his votes
UK - Pesco is obvscum thinks Shadoweh is being unfair to the newbies; is bugged by Bardiche's buddying
Bardiche - is pushing for a Zakeri lynch, which started because of a standard "you voted me so I'll vote you" vote; teaming up with UK; used an action on Shadoweh
Zakeri - voted UK for not voting
rdj - vote on Dormio and wants him to address an earlier post
Conqueror - why self-vote this makes no sense ???
Helepolis - vote on Serp for lurking; warns to be cautious with abilities
Yonowaaru - random vote on Dormio

Serpentarius, Hanged Mokou, Schezo - have only posted once so far

Overall, I wonder why Bardiche is tunneling on Zakeri when he's been more active than Serp/HM/Schezo. There are some pockets of aggression here and there with the others, but nothing that really jumps out at me as inherently scummy.

Cut by Bardiche: ...Fake action? Huh.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
And then rdj begins reporting actions.

We don't need a recap of what everyone's done, tell us what's bad about it!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
And then rdj begins reporting actions.

We don't need a recap of what everyone's done, tell us what's bad about it!

I summed up my views on everyone's actions already:

Overall, I wonder why Bardiche is tunneling on Zakeri when he's been more active than Serp/HM/Schezo. There are some pockets of aggression here and there with the others, but nothing that really jumps out at me as inherently scummy.

If I had just posted that without the "recap", you likely would have asked to see my reasoning. The actions that have been taken thus far ARE my reasoning.

To get to the point: you think Zakeri is lurkscum. Why him instead of the other three that have only posted once?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:31:06 PM
Notthisagain.jpg

Because A) I don't have four votes, B) RVS is RVS and C) It's as good a place to park my vote until anything happens as any.

Until I see anything interesting happen I'll go do RVS for once. Holy cuckaroo country isn't so bad a place to live if you get used to it.

And I meant:
Quote
NeoSerela - bandwagoning Zakeri
Shadoweh - everyone lay out your opinions NOW
capt. h - seems to be all over the map with his votes

Bandwagoning, in a good or bad way? Is it scummy or not?
Shadoweh, is her action scummy to you, townie, neutral, just affronting, what?
What about capt h? Is his wishy-washy vote hopping scummy?

Quote
UK - Pesco is obvscum thinks Shadoweh is being unfair to the newbies; is bugged by Bardiche's buddying
Bardiche - is pushing for a Zakeri lynch, which started because of a standard "you voted me so I'll vote you" vote; teaming up with UK; used an action on Shadoweh

OK Bro so is UK scummy or not? Are her actions townlike? Why recap her thoughts when anyone could've likely read them and used their own interpretation?
Zakeri lynch started because he was the only one to post before me and thus easily the most scummy player up to that point. What about this flawed reasoning fell into "OMGUS" territory so hard? Oh, because I pre-empted my vote with "OMGUS". I think the self-diagnostics there woulda set off the "It's a joek" alarms.
Is my teaming with UK scummy or not? Is my using an action scummy or not?

:/ We need to hear who's scummy, not what we've been doing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Schezo on April 08, 2011, 08:32:41 PM
Although even with those reasonings your post still seems to fall back to the IIoA side.

Apologies for no posts and not doing this earlier but this game had nothing to talk about when I could and now that I check it almost after work, it explodes :ohdear: more in a few hours.

Cut city on a phone. Yeah.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
In fact, ##Unvote
##Vote: rdj


I am now no longer in jokevote phase and make a serious vote. Rdj has no business reporting the actions of others, and presenting it as though it preluded a conclusion with an opinion is clearly false as he never lets on whether any of the actions raised are scummy or not.

Shadoweh's attempts to get discussion going were fruitless but hardly seem scummy to me. Capt H is really pursuing a useless venue, as far as I am concerned, and I would like him to review the purpose of his inquiries.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 08, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Quote
Why him instead of the other three that have only posted once?
I've posted three times already. You guys are just jealous that I escaped as lurker scum last game and are just pretending it's still relevant.

HEY UK, PESCO HAS ALREADY DONE THE OBLIGATORY "WHOOPS, CAN'T VOTE FOR ME" PART OF YOUR EARLY DAY ONE ANTICS. HOW ABOUT A REAL VOTE? OR ARE YOU A ... PUSSY?

Oh, and since no one realizes this, my vote is serious. UK is active lurking, and I really don't like how she just went "psh-SHAW" towards Shadoweh's list of things that have happened. We're not going to get any information from you just going "Well, whatever, I'll get back to you in about a week or so."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
Only reason you won is because I didn't want to NK you! You know damn well I was on to you, the scum QT proves it!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 08, 2011, 08:39:05 PM
You were suppose to be "on to me." You were the last scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 08:41:12 PM
Yes, well, whatever. I coulda been a jerk and NKed you and skirt on by on role shens. :V

OK, back to srs bsns face.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 08, 2011, 08:42:41 PM
Voting
NeoSerela(1): Shadoweh
Zakeri(1): NeoSerela
rdj(2): Schezo, Bardiche
Serp(2): Hanged Hourai, Helepolis
Hanged Hourai(1): Dormio
Dormio(2): Yonowaaru, rdj
UncertainKitten(2): Serp, Zakeri
Yonowaaru(1): capt H
Conqueror(1): Conqueror

Not voting
UK

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~47 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 08:47:10 PM
@Yonowaruu

@Serp

@Hourai

What are your top scum picks?

It may be too early to use a lurkscum argument, but it's never too early to collect arguments from players we haven't seen much. I'm particularly interested in the opinions of you three at the moment.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 09:16:33 PM
And I meant:
Bandwagoning, in a good or bad way? Is it scummy or not?
Shadoweh, is her action scummy to you, townie, neutral, just affronting, what?
What about capt h? Is his wishy-washy vote hopping scummy?

OK Bro so is UK scummy or not? Are her actions townlike? Why recap her thoughts when anyone could've likely read them and used their own interpretation?
Zakeri lynch started because he was the only one to post before me and thus easily the most scummy player up to that point. What about this flawed reasoning fell into "OMGUS" territory so hard? Oh, because I pre-empted my vote with "OMGUS". I think the self-diagnostics there woulda set off the "It's a joek" alarms.
Is my teaming with UK scummy or not? Is my using an action scummy or not?

:/ We need to hear who's scummy, not what we've been doing.

Did I not say that I didn't find anything inherently scummy about any of those?

Serela's bandwagoning: Null tell because there was no actual discussion before his vote, just more votes.
Shadoweh's action: Possibly pro-town tell due to getting people to think about what they're doing. Could have been worded in a slightly less aggressive manner.
capt. h's vote hopping: I can't determine whether it's scummy or not because he isn't pushing for anything. He started to question Shadoweh about the "kiss of death" in this post, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596493.html#msg596493) but dropped it to change his vote. He needs to make up his mind.
UK: Seems pro-town, but I am not sure. I'd be a bit uncomfortable if someone decided to randomly align themselves with me out of the blue, too. As for her response to Shadoweh, I can understand wanting to defend the newbies from being unfairly picked on, but there was good advice to be had in her (Shadoweh's) speech.
Your pushing for a Zakeri lynch: The OMGUS post was only the start of it, nothing more. However, you continued to tunnel on him, even after switching your vote to Conqueror. Though now that your vote is on me, I don't know what to think about the Zakeri train.
Your teaming with UK: Null tell. You could be scum trying to set her up for a future lynch, or you could be town trying to build unity. I don't know which.
Your fake action: Null tell; how can it be scummy if it's fake?

As for posting the recap in the first place, didn't you say not to ignore people? Keeping peoples' actions at the forefront falls under "not ignoring people" to me, and can generate discussion. Despite it being day 1, it is important to take peoples' votes and actions into account. Or are you saying we should ignore that, which goes against your previous claim?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
So many words in the past few hours, maybe I shouldn't go to sleep in the future.
Then again, our future is supposedly determined by the stars.
I don't like that.

Anyway.
Bardiche: Are you planning on still following UK since the srsbznz has started?

rdj: Yes, but you've been providing no opinions to go with your recaps?
Do you think you can cruise on by solely with recaps?
Even in the post just now, you say pretty much nothing.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
OT:
Huh, the wordfilter is still there.
This is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 09:26:05 PM
Your fake action: Null tell; how can it be scummy if it's fake?

Incidentally, Bard, I'd like to request that you submit no more fake actions.

We don't actually know if your action was real or fake, just that you did it. Thus, if you do it again, then it's probably real. If it's fake, then you shouldn't be tempted to make another fake action again.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:33:20 PM
Also, rdj, are you saying that lying about one's abilities and openly admitting to doing so is a null tell?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote
Your pushing for a Zakeri lynch: The OMGUS post was only the start of it, nothing more. However, you continued to tunnel on him, even after switching your vote to Conqueror. Though now that your vote is on me, I don't know what to think about the Zakeri train.

So how do you feel about me bro. The Zakeri train you're unsure of, okay, I dig that, bro. Brofist on that. But you haven't explained why you needed to raise people's actions with everyone.

And trying to paint a black and white picture that "if I cannot report people's actions, you must want x and so" does not do you favours. People can pay attention by themselves, we don't need you to point out what's going on and slinking to the sidelines with "it's all a nulltell!".


Cut by capt h:

##Lick: Capt H
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
Hey Bardiche, I thought you claimed to have put your serious mode on, are you still going to mess around with (possibly) fake actions?

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 09:41:49 PM
What's scummy about the fake actions again?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 09:41:54 PM
@Bardiche

You take refuge in audacity. You seem to be playing like we're in jokevote phase. You submitted an action that looked pretty real to me. And if nothing else, you annoy me.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 09:42:36 PM
What's scummy about the fake actions again?

We don't actually know whether or not your first action was fake.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:43:48 PM
What's scummy about the fake actions again?
Nobody else can be entirely sure if they're fake or not.
And it can lead to some wonderful misdirection.
Creating confusion amongst town is scummy, no?

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 09:47:29 PM
And if nothing else, you annoy me.

Unfortunately, we're lynching scum, not people who annoy you.

Nobody else can be entirely sure if they're fake or not.
And it can lead to some wonderful misdirection.
Creating confusion amongst town is scummy, no?

Warning - choo choo i'm a train

Alright, how do they make sense as being scum-motivated steps?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 09:50:17 PM
Oh, I don't know, perhaps you could slip in some obscure ability in the middle of it.
Are you really trying to defend lying blatantly to town as some sort of positive action?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 09:52:04 PM
OK, hold on for a moment here.

You're saying my action will trigger an effect that is:

A) Something no one on town will realise AT ALL.
B) Something that will negatively effect town.
C) Something SO powerful it is worth throwing myself out there.

Have you considered that it's possible I was really just... having fun? Or that if you read closer, you'd have understood already?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 09:55:56 PM
To iterate, if something suddenly happens, you will know it originated from me, therefore it is senseless to hide. Therefore if it is something negatively affecting town, you should lynch me.

If it were an action you wouldn't realise what'd happen, that'd mean you'd demand me to make it:

A) Public
B) ... rolefish ensues.

No, really, your scenario makes no sense at all. There's no way I can sneak in a hidden ability because if it were something the result of which would be as public knowledge as the command submission, then you'd realise it was me anyway. If its result is For My Eyes Only, why should I make it plainly obvious I'm using it? There's no reason I should.

Are you sure you are scumhunting, and not being paranoid over role shenanigans here?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
You're saying my action will trigger an effect that is:
I'm saying it could trigger an effect that is:

Yes, however since you have claimed to be serious and continued to do this action, I'm going to assume that your fake actions are also serious.

Warning - Make the rational choice.
It makes sense if it gives you information about a player, but you need to perform the action in public to get the results. (Looking mostly at the unmask thing here)
I probably am paranoid about role shenanigans right now, but paranoia is good!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
To iterate, if something suddenly happens, you will know it originated from me, therefore it is senseless to hide. Therefore if it is something negatively affecting town, you should lynch me.

If it were an action you wouldn't realise what'd happen, that'd mean you'd demand me to make it:

A) Public
B) ... rolefish ensues.

No, really, your scenario makes no sense at all. There's no way I can sneak in a hidden ability because if it were something the result of which would be as public knowledge as the command submission, then you'd realise it was me anyway. If its result is For My Eyes Only, why should I make it plainly obvious I'm using it? There's no reason I should.

Are you sure you are scumhunting, and not being paranoid over role shenanigans here?

Look Bard, we don't know what scum can or can't do. So you probably shouldn't submit any more actions into the thread.

If I had to guess, a command called "unmask" would give you full role information on whoever you used it on. Which falls under the reveal not being public knowledge.

Anyway, don't submit any more fake commands. It's anti-town, and we're past the joke vote phase. If there's nothing else behind the command than a joke, you shouldn't be tempted to submit any more. If there is something more to your commands, then I'm sure we can lynch you for it.

Ninja'd: What Dormio said.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 08, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Hi guys, back from skool.

##Unvote: Serp
##Vote: Helepolis


Hi there active lurker! All that I've seen you do so far is "Lurkers could be scum" and "Scum and town may have abilities."
No actual contributions have been given, while maintaining the air of someone that is helping. What I mean by this is that you give little tips that really don't have any merit behind them.
I also do not like how quick you were to believe Bard's power and report on what it will "likely" do.

As for other people,

Cappy H.- is all over the place, similar to last game. But I do like how he requests to stop the fake actions. Wanting people to tell the truth and not confuse town is good in my eyes.

rdj- "Null tell, can't determine, possibly pro-town, seems pro-town but I'm uncomfortable, nothing jumps out as inherently scummy." Dang, I never knew someone could sit on so many fences at one time.

And when something wasn't even directed at you, you replied to it with, "UK already said" and "I agree." Why?

Dormio- The difference between you and Cappy H. on the recent action debate is that you are trying to push how Bard has been misdirecting all of town and hiding his real action in it. I don't see how that is actually happening.

Have I finally gone back to my good playstyle? Squeeeee~

Quote from: capt. h
@Hanged Hourai - I like your avatar. Where is it from?
I found my avatar on Danbooru. Pics of Hourai actually being hanged are a little scarce.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 10:15:25 PM
I guess the big reason I think it's just silly role shens paranoia and "durr you annoy me" from capt h is that I posted ##UNMASK in the same post that I said I am being facetious, and before I declared I'd be serious.

Then capt h is all serious about "DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THIS", and see, as a rebel, being told to sit still makes me want to run around even more, and it should've been plainly obvious I was just defying capt h.

That you now assert that, clearly, I am trying to mask (d'oh hoh hoh) that I might have a role that requires public activation and am trying to mask the activation command by making a joke when the RVS wasn't fully ended yet, and by rebelling against someone who complains about said joke... that you now assert that that is completely scummy strikes me as a desperate attempt to get anything going based solely on paranoia that "gasp, there might be roles out there".

Cut by capt h.

Or I'm a town investigative role who doesn't want scum to know he can do public investigations. Don't consider everything only from "scum needs to hide things!" perspectives. Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies.

Moreover, your vote on me claims I am "playing like in jokevote stage", which is a silly accusation given I already stated my very serious vote on the scummiest player around, and have submitted my charges against him.

Your present "srs bsns" acts have thus far been to accuse me of things that did not happen, to vote me for not playing in a way you want me to play, and on WIFOM speculation. You ask others for opinions, but provide none yourself. Your talk with Helepolis over game strategies is for post-game, not in-game.

Contrasting these two against eachother, will you continue to assert I am playing as though we were in jokevote phase by not scumhunting and just joking around?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 10:19:05 PM
Oh and you have a better idea than Hanged Mokou? So you have it all figured out?

Let us hear from you some "useful" contribution. Or are you just going to sum up and backtrack on actions like everybody else does here?



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
than = then  (damned typos)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 10:25:31 PM
Oh and you have a better idea than Hanged Mokou? So you have it all figured out?

Let us hear from you some "useful" contribution. Or are you just going to sum up and backtrack on actions like everybody else does here?

Hanged Hourai's contribution just now was actually more useful than all your other contributions so far.

So who you think is scum and why?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 08, 2011, 10:31:28 PM
Wait, what?
I voted you because you've been scummy, it's not the end of the world.

And where did you pull the "useful" from? I never said that. Supposedly twisting my words?

And you still are active lurking and lurking. I place my vote, and you almost immediately pop up to attack me. I still see no scum hunting going on.

New reply
Do not ever answer questions for me like that. I can handle myself, mother.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 08, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
I see lots of newbie derp, and people placing votes down to punish that newbie derp.  And those people voting for newbie derp themselves seem to be guilty of newbie derp.  Hard to see anything that's legitimately scummy among all that, and I have strong suspicions that scum intend to use this meaningless activity to cruise along under the radar.  Not to say that being engaged in this newbie derp is a towntell, of course.

Currently fine with keeping my vote on Kitten.  To answer her question about whether my vote on her is serious, seriousness is a continuum, and while my vote isn't much more than an RVS vote right now, it gets more serious every time she makes a serious point against someone without actually putting a vote down.  Or, to put it another way, her last posts seemed to be active lurking and waiting for someone else's case to pick up momentum, and that could easily be scum-motivated.

Bardiche is also interesting.  Dayrole shenanigans are a nulltell and it feels more like he's just trolling, but his vote on rdj is strange.  He says he's voting rdj for not explaining why all the information he's giving is relevant to finding scum, but then proceeds to vote him for that without explaining why that action is relevant to rdj's scumminess.  Might be that he considers it self-evident, might be that it's the best case he saw a few hours out of RVS, but it still blips my scumdar.

Also, Conqueror selfvote is really really bad.  Don't do that, even in RVS.  Come back and place a real vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 10:39:23 PM
@ capt. h

Backtracking and summarizing actions is useful contribution? Amazing thought-pattern there.

Who do I think is a scum? Have you ever seen a judge performing judgement before he/she has heard/seen out everybody? Obviously few people are being silent or very quiet. I have been pretty open and clear about this. My primary motive is to make the silent talk. Just because it doesn't give direct visible "contribution" to this situation, does not mean it is "useless".


@ Hanged Hourai,     OT > (why did you change your nick btw... thought that was not allowed in this game)

IT >

Immediately pop up and attack you? An active lurker? For someone who has been present here before you? Oh my, those are some touchy words there Hanged Hourai. Maybe you should first learn how to use the term: Lurking before you speak?

You seem to be missing my point or misunderstanding. I wouldn't be surprised with that temper. I merely requested clarification on your groundless assumptions.





Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 08, 2011, 10:42:18 PM
Self-evident, yes, Serp.

Reporting what others are doing is giving an illlusion of being active, and highlights a (negative) trait in one's posting without considering actual wording and context. It highlights something "bad" someone's done without actually saying so, relying on others to see the "bad" and voting it while keeping out of the issue yourself.

Reporting and cheerleading are like two brothers who go on a date.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 10:49:49 PM
Reporting and cheerleading are like two brothers who go on a date.

 :ohdear:

Thanks for that, Bard. Thank you so much for that image.

@Helepolis

Correct. You aren't making a visible contribution. What conclusions do you expect me to draw from players that don't make visible contributions?

They're the first to see the noose.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
I'm still writing and I hate to interupt, but
@mod4u: Is that last votecount missing a vote on UncertainKitten a typo?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 10:54:18 PM
@Helepolis

Correct. You aren't making a visible contribution. What conclusions do you expect me to draw from players that don't make visible contributions?
Define "visible contribution". A vote? A summary like everybody did?  A deep-analysis of everybody's actions?

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 08, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
Also, rdj, are you saying that lying about one's abilities and openly admitting to doing so is a null tell?

It was a public action, and nothing seems to have happened as a direct result of it. If he was lying about NOT having an ability and then using one, that would raise a red flag in my opinion, but using an ability he doesn't have doesn't appear scummy to me.

However:

So how do you feel about me bro. The Zakeri train you're unsure of, okay, I dig that, bro. Brofist on that. But you haven't explained why you needed to raise people's actions with everyone.

And trying to paint a black and white picture that "if I cannot report people's actions, you must want x and so" does not do you favours. People can pay attention by themselves, we don't need you to point out what's going on and slinking to the sidelines with "it's all a nulltell!".

On the action list: Shadoweh said that I needed to provide my input on everyone else, so I posted the list and gave a short summary of what I took away from the items on that list, thinking was what she meant. I also thought that it would provide a starting point for people that did not read over the other posts, and that if they wanted more information or thought that I was misrepresenting things, they could go back and check, then make their own decision (this addresses the second part of your post). Evidently that was 1) not what she wanted, if I'm interpreting you correctly, and 2) not anywhere near enough explanation.

On you: Because I'm unsure of the Zakeri train, I really don't have anything on you other than that you've voted me for acting scummy. The fake actions, as I mentioned to Dormio and as you yourself have said, can't be a scum tell because there were no visible results. Just as non-kill night actions are sent in private and are resolved in private, day actions are resolved in public, if I understand the game mechanics correctly. This leaves only your vote, and though I am town, I understand why you are voting me. Bad townies are just as harmful as scum.

At any rate, had I known I would perform this badly, I would not have signed up. All I can do now is try to make up for my mistakes, or get lynched trying.

cut cut cut cut cut

Hanged Mokou: Is it not common practice to offer input on things? Even if Hele wasn't speaking directly to me, it was something to be responded to. I brought up UK's stance on lurking because I agree with her; at that time, it was too early in day 1 to tell who the lurkers were. I also agreed with Hele's analysis because scum COULD be blending in with the town and participating in discussions. In retrospect, that is common sense and I don't know why I felt the need to state "I agree" with regards to that point.

Also in retrospect, I probably shouldn't have taken Dormio's vote so seriously. That, combined with my misassessment of what constituted an opinion in this game, is what's gotten me into this mess.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 08, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
I'm still writing and I hate to interupt, but
@mod4u: Is that last votecount missing a vote on UncertainKitten a typo?
What typo?  I see no typo. *whistles innocently*
Yeah, it was.  Fixed.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 08, 2011, 11:04:34 PM
Voting
NeoSerela(1): Shadoweh
Zakeri(1): NeoSerela
rdj(2): Schezo, Bardiche
Serp(1): Helepolis
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
UncertainKitten(2): Serp, Zakeri
Conqueror(1): Conqueror
Bardiche:(2): Dormio, capt h
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai

Not voting
UK, rdj

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~44 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 11:07:03 PM
Shouldn't rdj be on the not voting list?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 11:07:20 PM
Just because it doesn't give direct visible "contribution" to this situation, does not mean it is "useless".


Define "visible contribution". A vote? A summary like everybody did?  A deep-analysis of everybody's actions?






@ Helepolis - You may want to watch that temper.

If you really want to know what I consider useful, your should bring up an original point no one else has thought up, and is perfectly valid in this situation. If you at least make a summary on everyone, then when we catch scum, we'll have at least one statement per person that town can use. But you should do something that you would consider constitutes a visible contribution, since it's by your own admission that what you've posted so far does not qualify.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 11:08:52 PM
Oooh and it starts, I leave for a few hours and it's newbie-train o' clock just as planned.

Rdj: Bardiche is incapable of telling you what Shadoweh wanted unless he learned mindhax lately. You're operating under alot of misconceptions that could be considered scummy, so I'm going to go over some of them. They're self-devised traps you shouldn't fall into. Providing a summary of people's actions is considered reporting, buffing your content by just showing what other people said. Don't do it, people will look for themselves and they don't appreciate the effort. Secondly don't assume anything about actions. Private actions could resolve publicly and public actions could resolve privately. You aren't "in a mess" yet, it's just crazy Bard. Just find another case on someone you think is acting scummy now that the game is going (and we're PLAYING MAFIA YAAY~) and keep your vote on them. The only thing you can do wrong is give up.

capt.h: That's an interesting viewpoint you have there. Why do you think only scum can be contractors or have post restrictions?
K4U: Of course not, you're absolutely flawless.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 08, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
@ Hanged Hourai,     OT > (why did you change your nick btw... thought that was not allowed in this game)
I did it a while before the game started. :<

Quote
You seem to be missing my point or misunderstanding. I wouldn't be surprised with that temper. I merely requested clarification on your groundless assumptions.

Temper? ???
If you are talking about the assumption that you were not contributing, I believe you said that you were holding back your opinions until everyone has said enough. It may just be the difference in playstyles, but I don't like that.

Rdj Reply

Ummmm, I still feel the fence-sittingness. The unvote with no case on anyone is groan-inducing. Urgh, this is your first game?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 08, 2011, 11:14:04 PM
capt.h: That's an interesting viewpoint you have there. Why do you think only scum can be contractors or have post restrictions?

I thought this game was humans versus contractors.

Although now that you bring it up, I guess there could be human scum and contractor town.

@Mod: Are we playing humans versus contractors or scum versus town?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 08, 2011, 11:20:03 PM
I can't believe you just asked that question.  :fail:

Okay, Serela still isn't here but unless he votes for himself I'm feeling like:

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Helepolis


If you're staying on the lookout for weird shenanigans and nothing else, how did you not notice there was something screwey with the votecount? So you're not watching for weirdness and you're not scumhunting and you're brushing aside your no longer lurker's argument against you as temper, so.. what are YOU going to do to contribute to town today?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 08, 2011, 11:22:14 PM
@Mod: Are we playing humans versus contractors or scum versus town?

An informed minority versus an uninformed majority
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 08, 2011, 11:26:20 PM
Anyway.

Helepolis: Opinions. Simply having the facts is useless if we don't use these facts to form our own opinions.

Voting
Conqueror(1): Conqueror

:V

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on April 08, 2011, 11:29:27 PM
Alright so yes, from what I can get from this game, a lot of derp and and a lot of not saying much going on.  So to better make my decisions, I've decided to line people up by how much conviction they have had behind their actions.  These are the people I'm watching the most so far:

Helepolis: He seems to have some newbie air around him sure, but I don't think he's aware of what active lurking really means since it was pointed out to him.  All game he has indeed been active lurking which is not directly lurking in un itself, but posting a bunch of stuff that makes one appear like they are really doing something when really all they are saying is fluff and not scumhunting at all really.  It's posts like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597153.html#msg597153) that can be counted as active lurking since his own opinions aren't really going out there.  He later seems to confirm (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597275.html#msg597275) that's what he's doing, but he may not realize what he is doing is bad.  We really need to hear opinions from what is already on the table right now.  It's not ok to just wait for everything to get revealed because nothing ever would if all of the town just sat around twiddling our thumbs and not daring to make cases on one another to find scum.  I wouldn't feel right about this wagon right now but if it persists then yes I'll take another look at him.

rdj:  Shadoweh just covered a lot of what I was going to say and time constraints and just >.<

Hard to get a read on Bard right now but that first role declaration may have been with satire.  Everyone's reaction to it was interesting though.

Conqueror should stop jerking around and play the game now that it has gotten serious. 

capt H.: Now this one is odd.  The fact that immediately took Dormio's case on Bard and voted him for being annoying instead of being scum when the reasons against the Bard vote have been whacked over the head already.  He then proceeds to Bash Hele for being Newbie and is currently role speculating.  Make up your mind.  What do you want to happen?  Finding the scum is our priority and scum hunting is what we need to use to do it.  All of this wishy washiness is not pro town so it would be great if you started standing by your convictions.

That said, he looks the strangest.
##Unvote:
##Vote: capt. H
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 08, 2011, 11:35:07 PM
orz time zones, need to sleep first, probably have to read quite some stuff tomorrow :V

I understand most of you are upset about me not taking any solid actions or contributions. And nobody said I was going to wait till the last minute either. I like how words are being added to my own story and being shaped into something people just want to believe themselves.

Give me some mental rest for the time being, and I'll input my contribution after carefully typing my post. I am sure it will be helpful.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 08, 2011, 11:58:47 PM
Hey, Bard and Everyone else who's voting reason is "Reporter style slash IIOA"

How about instead of voting for someone who is trying to give opinions, but failing.
You vote people who refuse to give opinions in the first place?

You know, people like, for instance, certain kittens.

or rather

Uncertain kittens.

...just a thought.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 09, 2011, 12:02:58 AM
Ummmm, I still feel the fence-sittingness. The unvote with no case on anyone is groan-inducing. Urgh, this is your first game?

On MotK? Yes. In general? ...may as well be. :fail:

Rdj: Bardiche is incapable of telling you what Shadoweh wanted unless he learned mindhax lately. You're operating under alot of misconceptions that could be considered scummy, so I'm going to go over some of them. They're self-devised traps you shouldn't fall into. Providing a summary of people's actions is considered reporting, buffing your content by just showing what other people said. Don't do it, people will look for themselves and they don't appreciate the effort. Secondly don't assume anything about actions. Private actions could resolve publicly and public actions could resolve privately. You aren't "in a mess" yet, it's just crazy Bard. Just find another case on someone you think is acting scummy now that the game is going (and we're PLAYING MAFIA YAAY~) and keep your vote on them. The only thing you can do wrong is give up.

re: making newbie mistakes -- Noted.
re: don't give up -- I'm trying.

As for finding another case, I'm interested in capt. h. Not only is his vote jumping from person to person, but he's also recommended that Helepolis stop lurking by doing exactly what caused Bardiche to vote me. Perhaps he's trying to draw attention away from himself? Seems rather scummy to me. Helepolis doesn't look too town-ish to me either, but perhaps his explanation of his stance will change my mind.

##Vote: capt. h
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 12:07:10 AM
Helepolis: You have around 43 hours to change people's minds, please do so.

Schezo: Sorry, I type more manic then you. You don't see anything wrong with UK's /ignore of giving opinions?

My reply to Bard's shenanigans:
~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@
Shadoweh waited at the steps of the podium as Bardiche strode down the steps, the sun glistening over his hair like diamonds refracting a disco ball. She rushed to his side, locking their fingers together in worry. "Was that all true? Are you running off with that UnreliableKriminal and leaving me in this poor town we grew up in?" Bardiche, swave as ever, answered, "Of course not baby, you know I'm a gambiting man. Come with me into my quick topic and I'll show you my Unlimited Gambit Works." Unable to resist, Shadoweh swooned and quickly rewarded the magnificent macho manipulator with a hot, steamy, X rated kiss.
~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
Just for clarity, are you saying he's scum, that his shenanigans are wooing you, or that you both have a QT?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
For clarity I am going to answer exactly zero of those questions.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on April 09, 2011, 12:24:35 AM
And hey it's totally anti town to claim stuff and withold it from town...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 12:29:36 AM
We're going to have hot, steaming intercourse in the backroom, you dirty voyeurs. >_>
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 09, 2011, 01:31:46 AM
What?

But...

How did...?

What are Conqueror and I suppose to do now?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 01:33:22 AM
I've been waiting two mafia games for my sonnets >:(

Oh uh, don't be shy, carry on with that mafia thing and don't let me stop you! *cough*
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 02:07:23 AM
Oh God, catch up post!

@Shadoweh 74: That's great. But that doesn't remove the fact that you couched the newb parts of your post in scummy terms. Why?

@rdj 75: Your case is bad and you should feel bad. First, no need to cite the posts that have nothing interesting. Second, if you aren't going to stand behind your point, don't use it. That completely destroys your entire case. The main thing you lack is conviction, though logical reasoning also would help. Right now you're saying he made an off hand comment that may or may not be scummy, and nothing else is interesting.

@capt. h. 76: This is actually interesting.

@Hele 77: Yes, but what's the point of the speculation?

@Hele 81: All right. Define who is lurking as of...hour 22, when you made that post!

@Bard 82: I'll :V you fuckshit >=[! (jk, ilu Bard :P)

@rdj 83: Those are not opinions, those are reportings. Give opinions, thank you.

Dammit Bard 84, quit stealin' future me's thunder. Pasthole >=[!

@Bard 86: Well, you WERE Scum last time you picked only one target! Kidding aside, this post is fairly solid.

@Zak 89: Active lurking in 23 hours. Awesome. Hell, you voted me with even less hours. I think I was asleep when you did that. And I was running DnD when you posted that. Then I went out for a few hours.

Oh, not to mention the misrep. Where did I ever say anything about "getting back to you in a week or so"? At all?

So, on the one hand, I know that bad cases aren't scummy but...last time Zak made a bad case against me, he was scum. Not to mention his complete failure to account for reality.

Hell, ##Vote Zakeri. There you go!

@rdj 95: You're missing the point. My issue with Shadoweh isn't the newbie attack. It's the fact her list was phrased in a manner that wants you to think she wants newbie lynches. The implication was that she'd jump on anyone taking the bait. I do not see how this helps catch scum. I do see how it makes pretty cases. So, I'm underwhelmed with Shadoweh. The other issue is your entire post takes no solid stance. You do not have "pro town but maybe not" as an option. Pick. Town. Or. Scum. For everyone mentioned. Do not include null tells, they don't matter. Ideally, just post Scum: Because Post X had scum intent, due to Y. Town read posts are useless. (Town reads are not)

@capt h. 98: Why the fuck does it matter what actions Bard does? Unless he's fullclaiming roles and actions, you ignore what the fuck he's doing and scum hunt. Quit. Wasting. Time. Scumhunt!

@Caedo 99: Pro tip, it can be.

@capt. h. 103: Great. So...scum intent where?

@Caedo 107: Lovely. You're policy voting. No. Consider what Bard has to gain from lying? Please?

@capt. h. 111: Is anti town scummy? Further, what precisely makes his actions anti town? No, seriously, this interests me.

The accusations of active lurking a little over 24 hours into the game amuse the fuck out of me. That said, HH's post isn't bad.

@Hele 114: Amazing contribution, simply wonderful.

##Unvote, Vote Helepolis

How about you post opinions about players, guy? Such as, hey, Hanged Hourai. That sounds like a great idea. What do you think of him accusing you of active lurking?

God DAMMIT people, why do you have to post what I'm posting!?

I see Active lurking is going to be the words of the day. Did it occur to you that my prodding is helping determine where my vote should go? I'm trying to get information.

@Hele 119: Your post says that you aren't going to contribute anything at all. That helps scum more than town. You do realize that you have to give as well, right? Opinions and where you stand are THE most important things to keep transparent in mafia. Being wrong isn't scummy. Being unopinionated is. It's one thing to say that in RVS. It's a whole 'nother to say it after things are getting into the game. There's a lot to look at! So you know what would be cool? Rereading the game, trying to figure out who's actions help scum most, and then...and this is the hard part...telling us what you think!

@rdj 124: Good news! You bleed town! Bad news! It's derp town! First, you should have a vote down (cue cries of hypocrisy), secondly, you don't backtrack to rectify errors. You fix errors by being proactive and showing us what you've fixed, not admitting you messed up. So...I still have no idea who you find scummy! Enlighten me!

@Shadoweh 129: Newbie train? Where? I seem to have the biggest wagon, if it can be called such.

@capt. h.'s page 5 posts: HI FLAVOR SPECULATION!

Stop. Now. Flavor speculation is anti town at best and scummy at worst. The fact you aren't producing ANYTHING ELSE besides it makes it scummier. If you want a fuller explanation of why, ask me. I'd rather not inflate this post more.

@Hele 136: No, we're not upset at all. We just think you're scum. Nothing personal~

@Zak 137: Your case still sucks. See? I can repeat myself too and add nothing new at all!

##Unvote, Vote Zakeri

Fuck, BOTH of you can die for all I care!

@Shadoweh: Lol wut? There's like, no ignore of giving opinions at all? Maybe [[citation needed]] would get my point across better?

OH MY GOD CAUGHT UP! tl;dr post incoming!






Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 02:12:08 AM
tl;dr!

A) Zakeri is useless as hell! His "case" on me is not founded in reality. Last time he did that he was scum! The fact that his further contributions have been reiterating the same tired point for no reason just further indicates scuminess. Particularly given his AMAZING lack of opinions outside of on my stunning self. Again, we've seen this pattern before guys~

B) Helepolis is hilarious for the whole throwing around active lurking accusations while producing nothing of value! And then further trying to justify this by...uh...saying that a judge waits for opinions or somethings? Are you completely missing the fatal flaw that you too are being judged? How is it pro town to hang back once things get serious, again?

C) Capt. h....is funny. On the one hand, he could be playing usual derpself. He was hard for me to read last game too. On the other hand, there's a lot of good scum reasoning for flavor spec and not much else, which he has stunningly provided us. Least certain on this one.

D) Shadoweh started off badly, but has shored it up outside of that ridiculous poke at me for no opinions, which is utterly silly. I'm willing to place her back at neutral for now.

E) rdj bleeds derp town. That is all.

F) Caedo and Capt. H's. votes on Bard are dumb and distracting. Scumhunt please!

If I don't mention you, you aren't interesting! Please try to be!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 02:27:54 AM
Helepolis: You have around 43 hours to change people's minds, please do so.

Schezo: Sorry, I type more manic then you. You don't see anything wrong with UK's /ignore of giving opinions?

My reply to Bard's shenanigans:
~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@
Shadoweh waited at the steps of the podium as Bardiche strode down the steps, the sun glistening over his hair like diamonds refracting a disco ball. She rushed to his side, locking their fingers together in worry. "Was that all true? Are you running off with that UnreliableKriminal and leaving me in this poor town we grew up in?" Bardiche, swave as ever, answered, "Of course not baby, you know I'm a gambiting man. Come with me into my quick topic and I'll show you my Unlimited Gambit Works." Unable to resist, Shadoweh swooned and quickly rewarded the magnificent macho manipulator with a hot, steamy, X rated kiss.
~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@~~~<~@
We're going to have hot, steaming intercourse in the backroom, you dirty voyeurs. >_>

You two are NOT this buddy-buddy. You two are more likely to rip eachother's throats out than get this deep into the roleplaying aspect. Honestly, this is the strangest interaction I've seen all game, and it's leaving me too confused to figure out what exactly I'm looking at.

I'm going to assume neither of you consider the other to be scum, and simply ask what your opinions on eachother are.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 02:32:29 AM
@mod: Has a prod been sent to NeoSerela?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 03:11:10 AM
oh god wall of text *drowns*

UK, your assessment of my phrasing is correct. I need better tests if you're going to cheat on them. I believe in catch and release though. One incorrect answer isn't enough to build a case on. I am of the opinion that one side would be more likely to take the bait then the other. But even if you had a reason for not giving an opinion you still refused to. I uh, think I saw some opinions in there somewhere though, so I'm quite content on that front. Huge post aside, isn't your vote essentially a long-winded OMGUS?

Out of curiousity, on the subject of such traps, are Bard's and rdj's interactions a similar situation in your opinion? I'm not sure how I feel about it, other then agreeing rdj sounds newbtown.

capt.h: I think you're confusing me for UK. I don't rip Bard's throat out until Day 2.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 03:13:45 AM
@Shadoweh: Bad! OMGUS doesn't exist. I have valid reasons for voting Zakeri. If he tried voting anyone else with the same reasoning, I'd have jumped on him. Just because he happens to be targetting me does *not* mean my case is invalid. If it helps, read it as if he voted Person X who has acted exactly like I have. And then tell me he isn't scummy.

Anyway, I had a feeling it might have been that, but I don't think it's effective and helps scum more because it's the kind of trap that doesn't say *lots* about intent.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 03:18:41 AM
oh god wall of text *drowns*

UK, your assessment of my phrasing is correct. I need better tests if you're going to cheat on them. I believe in catch and release though. One incorrect answer isn't enough to build a case on. I am of the opinion that one side would be more likely to take the bait then the other. But even if you had a reason for not giving an opinion you still refused to. I uh, think I saw some opinions in there somewhere though, so I'm quite content on that front. Huge post aside, isn't your vote essentially a long-winded OMGUS?

Out of curiousity, on the subject of such traps, are Bard's and rdj's interactions a similar situation in your opinion? I'm not sure how I feel about it, other then agreeing rdj sounds newbtown.

capt.h: I think you're confusing me for UK. I don't rip Bard's throat out until Day 2.

Maybe, but you don't have romantic love scenes with him day 1.

Your post has left me extremely confused, to the point where I'm not really sure what I'm looking at. Since confusion is not a very town thing to sow, could you explain why you posted that, and what your opinions on Bard are?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 09, 2011, 03:21:43 AM
Voting
Zakeri(2): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten
rdj(1): Bardiche
Serp(1): Helepolis
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
UncertainKitten(2): Serp, Zakeri
Conqueror(1): Conqueror
Bardiche:(2): Dormio, capt h
Helepolis(2): Hanged Hourai, Shadoweh
capt h(2):  Schezo, rdj

Not voting

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~41 hours remain (I think my last time count was a bit off, this should be accurate)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 03:22:53 AM
Captain H.
Tell me. Who. Is scum.

Why. Does. ShadowehxBard. Concern you. At all?

How. Are your. Questions. Pro town? Did it EVER occur to you that if ANYTHING is going on, it MIGHT be in the best interest of things to keep it from scum? OBFUSCATION ISN'T ALWAYS ANTI TOWN!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 03:31:58 AM
Captain H.
Tell me. Who. Is scum.

Why. Does. ShadowehxBard. Concern you. At all?

How. Are your. Questions. Pro town? Did it EVER occur to you that if ANYTHING is going on, it MIGHT be in the best interest of things to keep it from scum? OBFUSCATION ISN'T ALWAYS ANTI TOWN!

How the heck would I know who is scum?

We have Shadoweh x Bard on the one hand, Helepolis not contributing anything, Serp and Schezo each having two posts tops, NeoSerela went missing, Yonowaruu still hasn't responded to what I've asked of him;

Frankly this game has too many anti-town players for me to make heads or tails of it. Everyone is playing anti-town, and I can't figure out anything.

My top picks are Helepolis for reasons I've already stated, Yonowaruu for disappearing after I tried to apply some pressure, and Shadoweh and Bard for whatever it is I'm looking at.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 03:38:54 AM
Seriously. These antics haven't gotten better since I mentioned capt.h looked bad in my ~*OPINIONS*~ post. You're chasing after something tangible when you need to learn to chase after the intentions of the SCUM. I really have no intention on answering you until you stop staring in jealousy at what we have and find someone good to go after.

Oh cut by something valid. I start every Day 1 by assuming everyone is scum and going from there. Is there anything else Bard or Shadoweh has done to make you think they are scum?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 03:50:12 AM
@Capt. h.: Nice evasion. Who's scum? This is not a hard question. You've more or less answered it finally! Good.

Now. Restate reasons for Hele scum.
Explain how Shadoweh and Bard are scum for their interactions?
Explain why you are entitled to any information from either of them?

And fuck anti townness. Look for SCUM, not lecture on anti townity. Hell, if you do both I'll consider it decent.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 09, 2011, 04:31:40 AM
Obfuscation is anti-town. It is always anti-town. What you guys are getting it confused with is "Keeping secrets."

For example, lets say Shadoweh and Bardiche as super plus, anti-scum mason buddies.
What you should do is not claim anything day one. this has the benefits of: No one assumes you are both scum; Scum aren't tempted to use this to lynch one of you; Scum don't try to kill either of you for being power roles.
What you instead did was make a claim, force people to be curious, force possible townies who are inexperienced into trying to push a claim out of you for the sake of clarification, and will likely result in unwarranted town deaths should we continue down this path.

In other words, fuck both of you, no matter what your alignment is.

Quote from: Uncertain Kitten, 146
@Zak 89: Active lurking in 23 hours. Awesome. Hell, you voted me with even less hours. I think I was asleep when you did that. And I was running DnD when you posted that. Then I went out for a few hours.
You don't even know what Active lurking means, do you? It doesn't matter if you were sleeping, or playing games, or doing errends. What matters is what you do when you are playing mafia.

In post 21, you posted the obligatory "Why didn't you count my vote for someone who's not playing the game?" that accompanies your meta. That was cute, and not scummy.

In post 49, you continued your rant on Pesco, and claimed that there was nothing else that caught your eye. This is when it stopped being cute.

In post 51, you continued to say that there was nothing of use to base your vote on, acknowledged that Day one is to be used for analysis on later days, and continued to provide no vote or opinion on anyone.

In post 52, Shadoweh presented a list of things with which you could provide your opinion on.

In post 53, you refused to comment on the list.

In post 63, which I admittedly missed, you still didn't provide anything other than "Why you poking the noobies, Shadoweh?" which is at worst, a scummy suspicion wave to test out the waters for a vote, and at best, still not a vote.

In post 71, Shadoweh explains that she didn't intend to target the newbies with her list, but rather it just happened that way. Then she asked why you were pushing her for opinions without providing your own.

In post 73, you ignore her claim about the list, cast another wave of suspicion against her, repeating yourself for no reason, and still haven't put your vote down on anything, not even Shadoweh.

In short, you demand opinions while refusing to provide your own, you tried to instill suggestions that someone was scum, based on reasoning that was false, and attempted to not provide a read on anyone.

So, with that out of the way, let's break down your case on me.

"So, on the one hand, I know that bad cases aren't scummy but..."
So my case on you is not inherently scummy, gotcha.

"last time Zak made a bad case against me, he was scum."
One time, when I went to religious classes
This girl was mean to me.
Ergo, all girls are meanie-faces.

...In case it's not clear, this is a parody of the logic you're using here.

"Not to mention his complete failure to account for reality."
As I've already acknowledged, reality has little to do with the internet, which is why a majority of my case is based on what happened on the internet, not what is happening in reality.

UK's recent posts (Well, okay just post 147) Are working towards defeating my case on her, but with her recent vote and case on me, I've become more wary of her again. If attempting to push bad cases is scummy (which I'm willing to agree with) Then UK's case against me is definitely scummy.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 04:31:51 AM
@Capt. h.: Nice evasion. Who's scum? This is not a hard question. You've more or less answered it finally! Good.

Now. Restate reasons for Hele scum.
Explain how Shadoweh and Bard are scum for their interactions?
Explain why you are entitled to any information from either of them?

And fuck anti townness. Look for SCUM, not lecture on anti townity. Hell, if you do both I'll consider it decent.

UK, Shadoweh is playing completely differently than she usually does. Neither her nor Bard seem to be taking the game seriously. She just accused me of jealousy, and Shadoweh and Bard are acting like best friends. While you're right I don't see any scum internt behind it, I don't see any town intent behind it either. I don't see anything that resembles logic behind the action. I have no idea what I'm looking at, but I know there's something fishy about it.

Now I see two players buddying up, and you tell me not to pursue them for it because they probably have a good reason.

Here's the thing, so far the only thing I've requested of Bard and Shadoweh in regards to this matter is their opinions of eachother. I don't know what I'm looking at, and I don't think my request is unreasonable when two players act that strangely.

I have genuine scum reasons for a Helepolis vote; namely that he hasn't made a visible contribution yet; and I will probably pursue him more. But the Bard x Shadoweh plays are so outright bizarre that I'm having a hard time knowing what to think, and the really, really stick out. It's the most tangible connection between two players in the game. And you telling me to ignore it is itself pretty bizarre.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 04:36:15 AM
Link all the posts Zakeri, tomorrow morning I'll tell you exactly why you're wrong and why you're scummy for it.

@capt. h.: Then if you can't find the scum intent, look elsewhere for it if you are CERTAIN it exists. And you've only been asking for opinions on each other? That's hilarious. I'm pretty sure you've asked them why they are doing this no less than three times, and strongly suggested you feel it's related to role bullshit.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 09, 2011, 04:45:12 AM
Post 48 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596964.html#msg596964) through 53 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597036.html#msg597036) here. I skipped 55 and 57 because they didn't really add anything useful.

Post 62 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597053.html#msg597053) not 63, in case you think you can pull a positive spin on your posts from here.

and finally Post 73 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597112.html#msg597112).

Good luck~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 04:46:01 AM
Link all the posts Zakeri, tomorrow morning I'll tell you exactly why you're wrong and why you're scummy for it.

@capt. h.: Then if you can't find the scum intent, look elsewhere for it if you are CERTAIN it exists. And you've only been asking for opinions on each other? That's hilarious. I'm pretty sure you've asked them why they are doing this no less than three times, and strongly suggested you feel it's related to role bullshit.

There is no certainty in this game, UK. You know that. Certainty is something only scum have.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
How many times do I have to say I'm playing seriously? Strong language going around, let's tone down that seriousness a little.

capt.h: That doesn't mean you shouldn't look for certainty. What I find weird about your argument isn't your attacks on me, but that you're attacking Bard, who posted all of one line in response to me amid a group of joke responses. He hasn't even been here to respond to your demands but you're ready to cart us off as a pair. Here's a certainty for you.

##Unvote
##Vote: capt.h


I want you gone by the end of the day. I have no idea what you're up to but it hasn't given me a single good vibe all day. I really hate moving votes before I get a response but I can't ignore how every post you make feels like you're fishing, and you sure as heck aren't searching for scum. My cranky 2am gut wants us to start a bandwagon and really wants you to be the lucky winner. Despite Zakeri's anti-sonnet I like his case, I just don't feel UK is that scummy anymore. This is not something I'm sure of.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 09, 2011, 05:48:12 AM
Are naps awesome? Yes.
Did I manage to take one? No.
My everything hurts and I feel like throwing up.

Anyway, opinions!

Dormio: Town, clearly.

NeoSerela: ??? Confirmed and jumped on a RVS bandwagon.
That's it.
Exist please.

Hanged Hourai: On the inactive side, but I'm getting townie vibes from him.

Schezo: Seems town for now, similar to Hanged Hourai.

Zakeri: Currently getting townie vibes from him.

Conqueror: ??? Confirmed and a self vote.
As bad as NeoSerela?
Worse?
Who knows?
Do you know?

Serpentarius: Currently getting townie vibes from him.

Yonowaaru: ??? Random vote on me then disappeared.
Exist please.

Post incoming sometime later today when I don't feel like crap on Shadoweh, capt. h, Uncertain Kitten, Bardiche, rdj, and Helepolis.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
asfaerg
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 06:15:13 AM
So I was somewhat hoping people would bandwagon me with extreme prejudice and I'd go down in a blaze of glory on Day 1 again but it looks like most people just ignored me? :(

Not actually sure what the case on rdj is, seeing as I did something similar in my first game as town and got lynched for my trouble. His more recent posts have indicated that he is trying, at the very least.

Capt. h is following really bizarre and generally unproductive lines of inquiry. What I'm seeing is derpvoting and a general post ew that gives me a bit of a headache but not necessarily scumminess. Could one of the people voting him summarize the case on him? That said, I don't understand his vote on Bardiche (same goes for Dormio) and I am wondering why you choose to keep a fairly weak vote on him rather than switching to Helepolis, seeing as you have "genuine scum reasons" for that vote.

Speaking of Dormio, what are your stances on..anyone except Bardiche? Even the vote on Bardiche is somewhat suspect, and although I could think up some town-sourced reasons for the initial vote...well, I'll let you explain that yourself. Also, you press people a lot for opinions without giving many of your own.

Cut by Dormio's post. >_> Looks like a bunch of throwaway comments. Doesn't look good - I await that post of yours.

@Yonowaaru - Someone probably already said this, but there is still info to be gathered on D1, however sparse. You should put down an opinion and get out a serious vote.

@Mod rdj is voting capt. h - You missed that in your votecount.

Another post coming up soon.
For now,
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 09, 2011, 06:22:43 AM
Voting
Zakeri(2): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten
rdj(1): Bardiche
Serp(1): Helepolis
Dormio(2): Yonowaaru, Conqueror
UncertainKitten(2): Serp, Zakeri
Bardiche:(2): Dormio, capt h
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
capt h(3): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh

Not voting
None

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~39 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 07:58:31 AM

Ooh, followup post. Scary, scary.

UK's reasoning for her vote on Zakeri raises a few eyebrows (as I thought his initial case held some water, even if it was based on early RVS posts). That said, I do not agree with Zakeri's case on her, as I found her recent posts to be satisfactory in the sense that I can tell where she is coming from in her opinions and they seem to line up.

Now that said, Zakeri blatantly ignoring everything else on the table raises several questions. Such as, why are you doing so, and who else is scummy?
There's also this statement:
UK's recent posts (Well, okay just post 147) Are working towards defeating my case on her, but with her recent vote and case on me, I've become more wary of her again. If attempting to push bad cases is scummy (which I'm willing to agree with) Then UK's case against me is definitely scummy.
Okay, so your case isn't as good anymore, but now that she's voting you, she's looking worse again? It's like a double OMGUS I'm looking at here. I think Zakeri looks slightly worse by virtue of not having really said anything else though, whereas UK has put something else out since her early game, which I agree was bad.

Bardiche...well, as much as I don't like the vote on rdj, rdj's redeeming posts came after Bard's last serious post, so. When I was reading #113 though, I almost thought you were voting capt. h for a second there.

@Schezo: What was interesting about everyone's reaction to Bard's "first role declaration?"

On Helepolis, I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said. I find it especially interesting that while I would expect a newbtownie to put out at least some sort of bad case or opinion list after being prodded for opinions, Helepolis does nothing of the sort and just clams up instead. This could very much be a playstyle difference though, and I'm wary of putting too much stock into this as scum behavior. Willing to vote for him, but I want to see what his amazing contribution in the morning will be before I can decide whether that vote will be better used on him than on Dormio or someone else.

Hmm, Shadoweh. Despite the fact I don't like capt. h's behavior, I get strange vibes from her vote for him here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597586.html#msg597586). I'm not sure I can divine a reason for voting capt. h from that beyond "bad vibes bro" and I don't know where this accusation of fishing is coming from. You also say you "just don't feel UK is that scummy anymore," but looking back, did you ever actually say you thought UK was scummy?

Not only that, there's the previous vote on Helepolis (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597309.html#msg597309) for...not noticing there was something wrong with the votecounts, really? Unless the following counts as a case:
Quote
"So you're not watching for weirdness and you're not scumhunting and you're brushing aside your no longer lurker's argument against you as temper, so.. what are YOU going to do to contribute to town today?"
This is not a concrete statement of opinion, unless I'm not reading between the lines enough or something. You never really expanded on your reasoning for this vote, but here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597350.html#msg597350) you seemed so confident in your vote...it's almost like you expected people to fill in the blanks for your case. It's just all very...fishy, ugh. I think this is enough to change my vote for now.
##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:04:53 AM
What?

But...

How did...?

What are Conqueror and I suppose to do now?

The Bard's literary prowess is indeed legendary; I would honor the chance to defeat him in a post-game head-on-head sonnet-off.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 09, 2011, 08:18:14 AM
Wow... I really missed a heckload of comments here, didn't I?
I still think Dormio is kinda acting weirdly, so I'll stick with my vote. I'm not sure what to think of Bardiche, though..
He seems overprotective/overreacting.


It's just.. Dormio and Bardiche are arguing against eachother, so..
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:19:19 AM
Could you elaborate on that? How is Dormio acting weirdly, in your view?
Same for Bardiche.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:33:03 AM
Don't edit your posts. Bad bad bad. Double post, triple post, if you must. But don't edit your posts.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 09, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
Cut by Dormio's post. >_> Looks like a bunch of throwaway comments. Doesn't look good - I await that post of yours.
Yeah, because at this point I don't really have anything on the people that I listed before.

Anyway.

Shadoweh: Lots of random roleplay from Shadoweh.
Claimed a quicktopic with Bardiche, though this is assumed to be made in jest.
This much is fine, since apparently it's in jest, however what I really don't like is #145 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597355.html#msg597355).
Refusal to answer questions outright? Does that look town to any of you?

Bardiche: Also weird.
I don't really like how he put in fake commands.
At this point I think it may just be paranoia though.

Uncertain Kitten:
F) Caedo and Capt. H's. votes on Bard are dumb and distracting. Scumhunt please!
And the other random votes that are still lingering around aren't?
Anyway, at this point in time I think Uncertain Kitten looks the most town to me.

capt. h: I'm not quite sure what it is, but I'm getting a scummy vibe from him.
Also, he's relying on meta again, which I don't really like. EG:
Shadoweh is playing completely differently than she usually does.

rdj: He admits himself that what he's been doing looks scummy.
I don't think that much more needs to be said about that.
Instead, let us hope that his next posts fix this.

Helepolis: The Embodiment of the Lurking Devil.
He hasn't given his opinions on anyone, only stating that lurking is bad without contributing anything himself.
Let's hope this changes when he comes back.

##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh


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Being sick is awesome.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 09, 2011, 09:10:12 AM
I got woken up in a pretty fashioned way by Miss Izayoi.


So I am still being suspected of possible scum huh? Let me then clarify you and explain you are wrong. Because I was accused of providing little or no information/opinion, I will make this pretty extensive. So please hear it out. It may contain redundant information, but I am going to tell them (if required) anyway because it keeps the overview for me as well.

First of all, it is no doubt I am a newbie. Newbies will suffer and have trouble most likely vs the more experienced people here. You know why? Because if a newbie does not talk, he/she will be accused quickly of certain things: "You do not talk, very suspicious!" putting pressure and then hoping he slips or blows his cover. On the other hand, if a Newbie talks too much people might start making false assumptions again.  "He talks so much, his words give me scum vibes" are like few examples. Basically, a newbie is always an easy target to put pressure on. And it is obvious a few people are trying that tactic on me.

"You are not being helpful" "You are not contributing" "You do not vote enough with opinions"

That is very cute and lovely, but in none of those posts, I have seen any solid arguments justifying it. Yes, arguments are hard to create as they are all subjective. There is no such thing as 'facts' in this game. Subjective opinions are based on mere posting behaviour and words you read on your screen. There is no body language, there is no eye contact. Nothing. So why don't you all stop throwing around those cute terminology around and start talking serious business.

Well then... as promised here is my view.

The first moment the town started talking we started joke voting on each other. Logically, nobody has any idea of who is what, when and why. The joke voting went on for actually quite some time without much serious discussions or opinions being shared (I was guilty for not enough effort as well, so that is nothing new). After I switched my joke vote from rdj to Serp, I started monitoring the votes and posts.

There are 14 people. We don't know the exact number of the scums among us, but we do know Modco has confirmed it was a informed minority vs uninformed majority. Jumping to the last voting count above my post, we can see 14 votes already cast. So it is obvious scums can vote as well. This is perhaps nothing new or (duh) moment. I am just making this a complete picture, so once more apologies for redundant information or obvious ones. However, the scums know most likely who their fellow scums are. Based on this, there is a possibility they might have slip in their voting pattern. While voting patterns are extremely difficult to discover, it doesn't mean it is impossible. It can be quickly covered by a lie or other forms of deceiving

Jumping back to the first start, I started listing all vote counts and started analysing them. I will start highlighting some things I think it is worth of noting:

From 59 hours remaining, Serp voted for Uncertain Kitten. Up to this hour, his vote did not change. However, at 52 hours remaining, Zakeri joined the voting. They both have been sticking to UncertainKitten for all this time. Post #37 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg596828.html#msg596828) of Zakeri is the only vote post he had. Later on, he did not clarify anything why he had voted. In post #89 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597182.html#msg597182) he claims he has voted for UK because she is active lurking. No strong arguments were given. His defence included his last game behaviour, which isn't helping. Post #137 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.120.html) we see Zakeri once more putting extra emphasis on UK. Seems like he is trying to draw more votes on her, but again no strong arguments. Finally, post #158 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597567.html#msg597567) , Zakeri dashes in an explanation in detail on his voting. Now just because Zakeri was a lurking scum last game, doesn't mean anything. You could be a scum right this moment as well and use that story to put people on false track.

UK on the other hand has voted for Zakeri since 41 hours and less with her reply in #146 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597451.html#msg597451) And we can see some clashing going on here with what seems to me more hate than grounded reasons.

Looking at Serp, he casted his vote for UK at reply 35 with the reason "UK trying too hard to fulfil RVS meta". In reply #118, Serp explains why he casted his vote and why he is sticking with it. The reason is pretty straight forward and makes sense in my opinion. A vote on somebody's head would make it possible to sit back and watch what the "victim" is going to do. Furthermore, Serp has not posting anything else. He is calm, straight forward and seems to have a plan to uncover certain information.

I seem to be noticing some triangle going on here with Serp Zakeri and UK

Continuing...

Let us look at the people like Caedo, Bardiche, Yonowaaru and Conqueror first. Yonowaaru had posted #39 sticking to his vote with what seems a random vote. Post #47 confirms he is random voting and sticking with the group. My question is, what group?. He was the first to vote on Caedo and has not given any information about it. Even rdj is questioning his vote in reply #75. At reply 165, Conqueror also does the same and calls out on Yono to make a serious post and vote. So far, nothing yet.

Which brings me to conqueror. In reply #165, he was hoping people to bandwagon with his self vote so he could leave day 1. Interesting comment there. I need to think about this some more after this post. In #167, Conqueror finally comes out with an elaborative post on various events. And points out, I haven't performed as they would expect from a newbie. Again, see my opening lines in this post.

Caedo finally made several posts through out the day. But somehow I cannot connect any of them. I don't see any red-line going through. Cadeo random voted on me first, then changed his vote to Hanged Hourai, eventually after some sticking it got switched to Bardiche. Looking at the reasoning: it was a most likely punishment vote on Bardiche for fake command using.

But where is Yonowaaru? Nothing...

Brings me over to Bardiche: Reply #106 , 108 , 109 and 113 he kind of becomes extremely defensive and is explaining more than actually what was asked before. Especially in #113, he claims "Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies." and "Or I'm a town investigative role who doesn't want scum to know he can do public investigations. Don't consider everything only from "scum needs to hide things!" perspectives. Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies.".
AFAIK, Nobody asked for just clarification. Why is he explaining he might be trying to manipulate certain people or playing a certain game?

About capt h., he did a few vote hopping in the beginning. Targeting random people but after 44 hours, sticks to Bardiche after Caedo had voted for him. Particularly also jumps over at me in reply #116, speaking for Hanged Hourai for no reason. In #128, capt.h seems to be pushing, trying to put pressure on me for giving an opinion on everybody. A summary as proposed. But through out the entire thread, Capt.h hasn't been contributing any thing either. Stirring up people, jumping into posts and speaking for others. It seems his tempered posting style caused the last voting count to include Shezo and Rdj and Shadoweh voting against capt h.

Now what particular is interesting here for me is Shadoweh's (post #163) confirms wanting capt.h out and intends to start a band wagon.The question is will people do that? Three votes on one person has been the highest vote count. Especially time is now ticking out, people will perhaps become desperate. An interesting event. If I look at Shezo, in reply #87 he says there is nothing to talk about. #135 he seems to have carefully analysed all the talking and comes out with an some what similar (imo) judgement on capt.h. Finally rdj clearly in post #138 states his vote and has somewhat similar opinion on capt. h as well. Now this is interesting.

Finally, Hanged Hourai has so far been outputting tempered posts as well. Sounds more like panic in my eyes than rather informative posts, which most people did better than Hanged hourai. Post #112, he makes a summary of his own findings but the funny thing is. None of them are connected to what made him vote on me. He jumps the gun, places and vote and then outputs 3 lines of loose "arguments". But then, continues the summary with opinions on other people though there isn't any thing else. However, in #140, he places a direct question to Shadoweh, which Shadoweh bluntly smacks away with her reply.

Oh yea, Neoserela, bandwagoned Zakeri and then disappeared for more than 24h, What happens then?



Did I handled everybody? I think I did. Now checking the final voting count with at that time, 39 hours remaining:
Votes against: Zakeri, Rdj, Serp, Dormio, UK, Bardiche, Hele and capt.h all got votes against them. (8 people being suspected)
Not targetted: Shadoweh, Yono, Conqueror, Schezo, Hanged Hourai and NeoSerela. (6 people)

##Unvote
##Vote capt. h

Many of you will consider this bandwagoning. Let me tell you: You are wrong. Even if Shadoweh has outputted to get rid of you, that isn't my reason. The minority is informed. The scums know who their buddies are. Right now most likely they are trying hard to prevent obvious groupings.

However, we can see some groupings going on. Particular the people who I set my eyes on are: Bardiche, Capt. h and Shezo. However, Capt. h's behaviour, posting aggression makes me wonder: "Why". If you are a townie, you wouldn't be cause this kind of a mess to everybody. Sticking your nose in other people's business as well as spouting random words. You and few others kept on performing pressure to do something. Hoping they would slip up? ** smirks **

However, I have my eyes on Bardiche and Shezo as well. Especially Bardiche, who has just like you, started suddenly post fast and extremely defensive. Especially outputting posts which nobody asked for. So far, I am sticking with Capt. h. The following hours will most likely bring us more knowledge. I am still little puzzled about Yonowaaru.

A general note to people among us.
Just because I am a newbie here, does not mean I will go quickly and make desperate posts. The pressure people put on me didn't change my behaviour. As promised I came up with an extensive personal analysis It took some time, but I simply needed the mental time to think it out. Being a newbie perhaps makes it look like I have no experience, but that is no reason for forcing me to hurry up.

Now, it is time for a cup of Earl Grey.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 09, 2011, 09:18:14 AM
About the group: I meant the group of people voting. I could've waited to vote, if I'd wanted to.


I'll post more thoroughly later, I'm not used to this manner of just looking at people.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 09, 2011, 09:20:56 AM
Request to  Modco and Kitte4Mod
Would it be too much asked if I requested alphabetic order for the vote counting list posts? It would make it easier for us all.  The list order changes when a person is not targeted and kind of confusing sometimes. I don't want to strain you too much, but just A-Z order for the targeted people would make me grateful. The people voting are easier to spot anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 09, 2011, 10:01:07 AM
Request to  Modco and Kitte4Mod
Would it be too much asked if I requested alphabetic order for the vote counting list posts? It would make it easier for us all.  The list order changes when a person is not targeted and kind of confusing sometimes. I don't want to strain you too much, but just A-Z order for the targeted people would make me grateful. The people voting are easier to spot anyway.

Denied. You're free to keep your own votecounts.

If you edit your post you will be modkilled and modkills are punishments. I.e. your team gets fucked over
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 09, 2011, 10:51:18 AM
UK's post makes my eyes bleed, but doesn't make my brain implode.  There are enough opinions burried in the wall to render my old case of active lurking obsolete.

##Unvote

I don't like the way that Zakeri's case on UK says both that she doesn't have any opinions and that he doesn't like her opinions.  That's called a contradiction, and reads as far more of an OMGUS than her case on him.

##Vote: Zakeri

capt. h:  Just because things happen in the game thread doesn't mean they're related to the game.  Sad but true.  Posting just to point out that something confuses you doesn't give any information to the town, which means it's just more white noise added to rereads.

The case on capt. h is weak, relying more on anti-town play than on scum intent.  In the absence of better cases, that'll do for a vote, but it's also a very easy target for opportunistic scum.  In particular, Schezo's vote doesn't strike me as particularly seeking a scumflip from capt. h, so that's where I'd put my vote if it weren't on Zakeri.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 11:14:07 AM
rdj, I have seen the light, I was touched by your excellence and am no longer convinced you're scum! ##UNVOTE

FWIW, it's better to be bad and try than to be good but not even try. I don't think anyone's ever good at Mafia games, we're all just fumbling around trying to untangle the mess of deception spread out before us.

THAT SAID, no, bad town isn't as bad as scum. I'd rather lynch scum.


On Shadoweh, I love her, want to take her to my quick topic for some Unlimited Gambit Works, and I have no idea by what she means by that piece. I can say I have received no link to a QT with her, so it's not that at the very least. I'm thus far assuming she's having fun and isn't scum, but rather soft-claiming a name.

I don't get the hubbub about actions I might or might not have taken, I've been pretty opaque.

Zakeri needs to rage less and post more valid cases. His case on UK is not valid.
##Vote: Zakeri

Voting UK for being UK is incredibly boring. She always does this. Last game, she did the exact same thing. The game before that, exact same thing. I know because normally I'm the one voting her for it, but y'know, not today, bro. Because I have seen the light and UK is totally being UK instead of being scum or doing this active lurking hodgepodge.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 03:21:32 PM
Conqueror: Do you still find Dormio scummy at all at this moment? On capt.h, "Following really bizarre and generally unproductive lines of inquiry." is a good short version of my feelings, but I'll expand. By fishing I mean both rolefishing and fishing for reasons to vote. I can summarize all his posts as 'that looks weird, why are you being weird, vote for weirdness!' I'm not going to link you posts, you can analyze him yourself. Until you mentioned it I'd forgotten who he was voting for. For being annoying. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597219.html#msg597219) His later posts didn't tell me they agreed with his vote. It feels less to me like he's trying to find inconsistencies in scum and more like he's trying to find a townie worth voting for. Helepolis seemed to be implying that he was going to sit back and watch for lurkers and scum abilities in lieu of persuing the active townies. A vote being stolen is usually an anti-town move and it bothered me that he wasn't paying attention. It's possible I misread his intentions. His last post isn't stellar but feels more weird then anything. I'll be addressing UK further down.

Dormio: So anything else strike you as scum-intended from what I'm doing? Your case makes me wish I had more votes so I could give you one. Actually your post is more reportery then anything. I would appeal to the Unlimited Dayvig God to shoot you right now but I've learned to be careful what you wish for. Instead I'd ask you expand on how I might be scum.

Serp: So, did you see good opinions, bad opinions, nice opinions in UK's post? Your vote implies you liked what you saw but your words sound like an excuse to change sides.

I personally haven't got a read either way between Zakeri and UK. Right now they could both be town or scum. I think the heavy language is coloring my perceptions since I see the words as scummy. I might not have directly said I felt UK was scummy but I don't tend to argue with people I think are town about opinions and I don't think she answered my question. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597515.html#msg597515) If you did please remind me. Need more input from Zak to assess his motives.

Yonowaaru: Your avatar is nowhere near cute enough to get away with your lack of anything substantial. Please provide before the day is over. Stop editing your posts.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 09, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
Serp: So, did you see good opinions, bad opinions, nice opinions in UK's post? Your vote implies you liked what you saw but your words sound like an excuse to change sides.

Don't exactly like them, but I see no scum intent in them.  My vote was on UK 'cause she was posting weak opinions and no votes.  She posted stronger opinions, posted votes, my case on her was therefore no longer relevant, and so I moved my own vote elsewhere.  My case on Zakeri has nothing to do with UK's case on him, since the post I'm voting him for came after the post she's voting him for.

If you're asking me about what exactly I read UK's opinions as, the relevant stuff is that she believed Zakeri's case as of Post #146 to be scum-motivated (a good reason to put down a vote) and that she thought Helepolis was asking for too many opinions without providing enough of his own (no explanation given for why this makes him more likely to be scum, but it's also not her primary case).  Everything else was fluff, but if I were voting for fluff this game my octothorpe key would be broken by now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 05:23:22 PM
Helepolis-
Good, you posted. I am now more content on where my vote is. Your text wall doesn't contain as much useful information as it looks like. Overwhelming fluffiness. The entire first 1/4 of it is basic mafia stuff and how newbs may act. My "solid argument" is that earlier, you said stuff without saying much at all, and a lot of this post helps cement my opinion in that.

And also:
Quote from: Helepolis
Or are you just going to sum up and backtrack on actions like everybody else does here?
Considering a lot of your post is this, I would like and explanation as to why others can't and why it's A OK for you.

Dormio-
Shadoweh wasn't in your opinion post, and in your next one, you vote her with a fairly weak case. I would like a little elaboration on why you aren't voting for the person who gives you a "scummy vibe."

Cappy H.-
Not as innocently town as I thought before. Likes to wagon.
Quote
I have genuine scum reasons for a Helepolis vote
But your vote is on someone you find "fishy". Could you tell why a Bard lynch would be better than a lynch on who you find scummy?

Bard-
Unreadable as ever. I like how he handled the fake action shenanigans with Dormio and cappy h. I'm willing to err on town for now.

Zak-
I would like it if you could tell your workers power down their tools and stop tunneling.

rdj-
We still love you, come back and play? :ohdear:

Yonohoweveryouspellyourname-
Uhhhhhhhhhh, what did you say your mafia experience was again? I am eager to see that post you promised soon.


I had waffles for breakfast, thanks for asking. :)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 05:26:26 PM
oh yeah

@mods- Has a prod been sent to NeoSerela?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 05:28:14 PM
ahahaha triple

EBWOS:
That should say "an explanation", not "and"
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 09, 2011, 05:49:33 PM
Voting
Zakeri(4): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Serp, Bard (L-4)
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
UncertainKitten(1): Zakeri
Bardiche:(1): capt h
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
capt h(4): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis (L-4)
Shadoweh(2): Conqueror, Dormio

Not voting
None

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~27 hours remain

Neo has been prodded.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 06:05:48 PM
Hourai, learn to read.

Quote
I have genuine scum reasons for a Helepolis vote

This should be read as "The reasons I have for voting Helepolis are genuinely scummy".

... Consider me sold for a capt H / Zakeri OTP Scumteam.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 06:39:05 PM
@Zak: Yes, not finding anything interesting by page two of the game that's still in RVS is still totes scummy.

Post 53 WAS me commenting on the list. The fact that you completely ignore that I said "None of them interest me in the slightest!" says a lot about how grounded your case is in reality. And then I wanted to know why Shadoweh was playing reporter in a slanted way.

Golly gee that's sure active lurking!

Post 62...is also fairly opinion failed, and my poking of Shadoweh was TRYING to move her to town or scum, since she had hit neutral. Hele at that point still seemed town. So, no, once again you fail to use reality in your case. JUST LIKE LAST TIME, EH!? Though at least you're voting me this time.

Post 73 is fucking terrible. So, good job, you have one terrible post. And it's just about the ONLY point you've brought up all game. Who's active lurking again? Who's scum, Zak? What do you think of ANY other player besides me? Because you've SURE as hell failed to produce anything that can remotely be considered real content.

I'm still content with my vote.

Also, the problem with your little logic thing is you're wrong again. It should be
One time, when I went to religious classes
This girl was mean to me.
I went to the same class again
The same girl as mean to me.
Ergo this girl is a meanie face.

I've caught you as scum doing this EXACT SAME THING before. Are you telling me it's somehow not how you show scum intent anymore?

Anyway, next post will be the catch up game.





Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 07:11:36 PM
@capt. h. 162: Great, you're playing semantics. It's pretty fucking obvious I want you to get off your tush and show me some scum intent. You've instead chosen to play semantics and completely ignore my points? You know what? You're scum. Go die.

@Shadoweh 163: Hell, I'm probably with you at this point, if I can't get my Zak lynch.

@Caedo 164: You know what you're post is missing? That's right! Analysis! It's all well and good to report things you find off, and then just throw town vibes at people for no reason, but it'd be REALLY NICE if we could at least know what you think of, say, Serela and Conquerer outside of cute question marky faces!

@Conq 165: That's because Fong's gambit is dumb and a null tell. Try harder next time. Anyway, I may be voting him so let me try. I have pressured him for opinions on players several times. I have questioned his votes and tried to get him to make a case several times. He has repeatedly ignored me to play semantics or role games that have NO BEARING ON THE GAME. What town intent is there to evade reasonable questions? Cause I sure as hell can think of tons of scum intent. The cute little semantics game ignoring the rest of my last post was REALLY amazing.

@Conq 167: So...wait...uh...my case on Zak, which is that his case on me is crap AND that he hasn't done anything BESIDES his crap case on me, which is the same reason *you're* looking at him...raises eyebrows? Which way do you want it? You can't really have it both ways. Oh God, you're saying OMGUS is scummy now?

Oy vay. Look, OMGUS. Doesn't. Exist. OMGUS would be me voting Zak PURELY because he's voting me and not examining the reasoning why. Same for Zak. No, my issue with Zak has nothing to do with him voting me, it's just I *happen* to be who he voted for terrible reasons. Zak's feeling worse on me I don't feel like defending, he can do that. By your logic, I'm not allowed to vote ANYONE that votes me because they can't possibly be scummy in my eyes. That sure removes a swath of players from this game!

Finally, your vote is bad given everything else you've said. If you had multiple votes, who would you vote? Take as many votes as you like, try to order them in suspicion levels.

@Caedo 172: The difference is you both are actively trying to push a ridiculous case on Bard, and do nothing else. It does not flatter you. Secondly. Hanged Hourai was effectively rolefishing. Shadoweh had absolutely 0 reason to answer those questions. I sort of more expect town to not answer just because scum might try to use it for town cred. But that's flimsy and only is like, one or two town points to Shadoweh.

@Hele 173: This really should have it's own post but deal with it.

First paragraph: It is ALWAYS more pro town to produce more than to produce less. If you are newb town, then you should have nothing to hide. Your cagey behavior is far more scummy regardless of veteran status. Will people jump on you for your mistakes? Sure, MotK towns are dumb. The difference here is that, by not producing anything, you haven't given us any reason to think you are town. At all. The best part is you're trying to say not producing opinions is somehow pro town! It's not! Ever! The more you produce, the more your town intent shows through. All a townie has to worry about is scumhunting. Hell, you don't have to be right. Being wrong is less scummy than not being there. Scum have lots more to worry about. Intriguingly enough the things you mentioned. So you're already approaching this as scum.

Now, things get interesting. You're talking about VCA. That's an advanced tactic and I applaud you for it. It doesn't tend to work without flips though. Regardless, I'm interested in this. I'm actually referring to the last game I played before getting banned in my Zak case. It's not hate at all. If it were hate, would I not also have a case on Serp? My reasoning is that Zak has done nothing but prod me. For the same reason you're scummy, this is scummy. Kind of worse in that Zak is pretending his ONLY contribution needs to be his "case" on me.

All right, your conclusion about Serp/Zak/UK is that you notice links to us by votes. But...it doesn't say what you THINK of us. So far you're still reporting and not producing.

More reporting on other people. The Bard thing is an interesting point but I'm pretty sure capt. h. was needling Bard at that time. Feel free to correct me.

Anyway, your post says a lot of nothing except a very comprehensive summary of the game. Now, sure, I use those too to get my bearings on things. How about this. Can you explain to me why capt. h. is scum in 5 sentences or less? Concision is pro town (even if I find it hard to practice what I preach while catching up)

@Serp 177: That's why I did a tl;dr post. I can't help it you all post too much. Though...hmm...I dunno. The thing about capt. h. is he's spent a lot of time IGNORING reasonable requests for solid opinions while usually singling out one part of a post to respond to and hoping people drop it.

@Shadoweh 179: I missed it, actually. Um...I don't think it was a trap at all. Not sure where you're seeing that :S.

@Serp 180: Did you read the tl;dr post at all? It basically condenses what I think without all the post references. There's more than the two things you said. Anyway, I had covered why Helepolis' behavior was scum several times in my theory posts. Pro town people have nothing to hide, so they post more opinions. Being wrong is less scummy than not being there. Scum have reasons to hang back and not post anything of value that you can pin to them. Intent shows through the more you post and the better you post. And the more you actually say, the more your intent shows. So that's why Hele still doesn't look good. That said...even given the reportery lack of opinions in his VCA post, the USE of VCA feels like a pro town move, particularly from a newb. I'm more or less willing to put Hele at neutral for now.

HOLY GOD THAT WAS TOO MUCH.
tl;dr post forthcoming.





Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 07:18:58 PM
tl;dr:

A) Capt. h. is entrenching himself in scum territory. There's a lot of derp, but I've pushed him SEVERAL TIMES for reasoning behind why someone is scummy, why he's so concerned about Shadoweh and Bard, and other things. He's instead chosen to take small pieces of my posts and act like he's answered all my questions while producing nothing. Townies produce opinions. Scum produce things that "look good". The last straw was completely ignoring my last post to say "nothing is certain in mafia". No. Unacceptable.

Though we have a problem. Both my suspects are the leading wagons. If I move to capt. h., I'll implicitly protect Zakscum. If I stick on Zak, I'm protecting Captain HScum here. For now, sticking on Zak. I do not necessarily find Zak scummier than capt. h. at this point.

B) Hele should still be scum. He's done nothing, even in that huge post of his. But the thing is...that huge post is trying. Not to mention, he's trying to use Vote Count Analysis, a fairly advanced technique that scum don't often defend against. Even giving us the IDEA is harmful to scum on so many levels. I would LIKE more solid opinions rather than reports on the game. But Hele is town.

C) Shadoweh is more or less town now, I think.

D) Conq's listings bug me, particularly given the Shadoweh vote over EVERYONE ELSE. Requoting this for Conquerer: "Finally, your vote is bad given everything else you've said. If you had multiple votes, who would you vote? Take as many votes as you like, try to order them in suspicion levels."

E) Helepolis might gain from reading the first paragraph of my @Hele 173. Also, I'd still appreciate this, requoting for convenience: "Can you explain to me why capt. h. is scum in 5 sentences or less? Concision is pro town (even if I find it hard to practice what I preach while catching up)"

That's about what you can draw from my post, though there are other minor things.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 07:39:32 PM
I used to rage whenever UK posted, but I find I actually don't mind her ways this time? Maybe I'm becoming dull.

Hourai, do you maintain your assessment that Helepolis is scummy?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 07:44:14 PM
Or maybe I'm posting better?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 09, 2011, 07:47:40 PM
Okay, let's play catch-up here...

@ Zakeri #158: What I find odd here is that aside from your musings on Bardiche and Shadoweh, you're simply tunneling on UK and not providing any input on the other players. What do you think about the rest of us?

@ capt. h #159: You keep saying "Bard x Shadoweh plays", when all I saw from Bardiche in response to Shadoweh's post was a joke post. Trying to press for more information on that subject, when it's fairly clear that there's nothing else there, is distracting from what we should be doing -- hunting scum. "Being annoying" is also not a valid reason for voting someone, and you've been switching cases rather constantly. I feel like my vote on you is justified.

@ Conqueror #167: Your vote on Shadoweh confuses me. Look at the current case on capt. h, then look at your case on her. If you think it's fishy, that's fine, but from my viewpoint, there's more evidence against capt. h at this point.

@ Dormio #172: See above.

@ Helepolis #173: It took quite a while for your post to get into an actual argument. I'm not quite sure how Serp fits in with the Zakeri/UK tussle; his reasoning in #118 makes sense, like you said. Your analysis of Yonowaaru's activity also makes sense, and I'm curious about the reasoning behind his actions. That said, I'm still suspicious of you because of how long it took you to get into your analysis.

@ Hanged Mokou #181: I went to sleep early last night and also have a take-home physics midterm to work on. I will try to stay active, however.


Essentially, I feel that capt. h should be our Day 1 lynch; I'm still fairly suspicious of Hele because of how his actual argument was delayed by redundancy, but he's redeemed himself a bit with his analysis; I would like to hear Zak's opinions on not-UK players; and I'm not sure why Conqueror and Dormio are voting Shadoweh when both have said they find capt. h scummy.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 08:09:28 PM
Analyzing votes, I'm sorry to say, is not enough in my book to clear someone as scummy as Hele as town, especially when the conclusion comes up as no real conclusion. After a relevant flip, I'd take another look at the reasoning before drawing more conclusions about his analysis/alignment.

And I can see that he will not likely become today's lynch, in which case, I would choose my second pick, either Dormio or Capt. H. They're tied right now on my list, but I shall await their replies to my questions before picking one.

To reiterate:

Dormio- What is your case on Shadoweh, and why does this take precedence over who you said was scummy?

PoppaCap- Why would a Bard lynch be better than who you said was your "top pick" for scum?

And Bard, out of fairness, since you asked for my opinion on this, but haven't really said anything about Hele, what are your opinions on him?

rdj Reply
And who do you want lynched today?

questionsquestionsquestions
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 08:10:33 PM
I'm very confused by Bard and Shadoweh. However, most my opinions would fall under role speculation.

Now, I know that there are town humans. However, that doesn't seem to mean all contractors are scum, if I follow what Shadoweh and UK are implying. Shadoweh did imply that town could have post restrictions as well, which for now I'll assume is the reason for the odd behavior. Thus, it doesn't make sense to vote for their behavior when there is a town explanation for it. Already this is too much role speculation, which many of you have asked me to refrain from.

Yonowaruu is really weak today, it looks like he's trying to avoid attention. He promised more posts in the future, but that doesn't account for the present. Serp is also avoiding the spotlight a bit. Zak's case bothers me. He's been weak, and the case against him is justified, but I don't like how when Serp voted Bard immediately jumped on his wagon right afterwards with a one-line explanation.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 08:13:47 PM
What am I implying again? Also, didn't Pesco say in sign ups that the flavor break wasn't going to be like the show or something? I'm fairly not at all familiar with the flavor so...

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
I want to get this out first before my other post.

Capt. h, why are you still voting Bard and for what reason?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
PoppaCap- Why would a Bard lynch be better than who you said was your "top pick" for scum?

I thought Helepolis was playing scummy, but it would seem more accurate to say he's playing like this is his first game. He may be newbscum, but there's a much better chance he's newbtown if he's never played before. I hadn't thought of this possibility until recently, and his posts seem to support it.

@UK - You implied that roles might not say everything for a good reason. Shadoweh brought up the possibility that contractors might be town.

I didn't want to say it, but I think Shadoweh is a contractor. It's only because he brought up the possibility of town contractors that I don't want to lynch him - for a while I thought contractors = scum, humans = town. You might be a contractor as well, but the odds aren't as high.

But from Shadoweh's comments I am more confident that Shadoweh is a contractor than the alliance of any other player in the game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:18:42 PM
Stop it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
I want to get this out first before my other post.

Capt. h, why are you still voting Bard and for what reason?

Right now, just because Bard bandwagoned onto Zak on the strength of Serp's post. It could change to Yonowaruu if his posts continue to be weak though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 08:19:49 PM
He's been weak, and the case against him is justified, but I don't like how when Serp voted Bard immediately jumped on his wagon right afterwards with a one-line explanation.

Quote
Zakeri needs to rage less and post more valid cases. His case on UK is not valid.
##Vote: Zakeri

Voting UK for being UK is incredibly boring. She always does this. Last game, she did the exact same thing. The game before that, exact same thing. I know because normally I'm the one voting her for it, but y'know, not today, bro. Because I have seen the light and UK is totally being UK instead of being scum or doing this active lurking hodgepodge.

Lol you, that's not one line. I'm voting Zakeri because HE IS LURKSCUM his case against UK is because UK is being UK. She always does this each and every game she's in, and in a game with so many newbies it's an obvious shoe-in to throw around active lurking and park a vote. He's pushing an obvious case in lieu of talking of ANYTHING ELSE, with his only point being "UK is playing to her meta"... which everyone usually does. Except me because bro, I don't dig metas and all.

His claim that she's active lurking is false because UK is producing content and provoking questions from town. That's not active lurking, that's engaging the game.



On Helepolis, he feels like derptown because of the reluctance to get involved and the general avoidance of touching serious things. If this behaviour keeps up too long it becomes scummy. capt h is repeating his song and dance where he avoids all scumhunting in favour of speculation. I get that he loves logic puzzles but we're aiming to get liars here.

Zakeri's the best place to vote as far as I care, and I don't give a damn if I have to write up a wall of text validating my vote or not. It still stands.


Grah ninja by more role speculation.

capt h, what is weak about my posts?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
In fact, what is "weak"? You've thrown that around for all who you want to lynch. Is "weak" scummy, ill-motivated, devoid of much logic, what? Define your scumhunting here, I'm not quite sure if you're just aiming for people who are easy targets ("weak") or whose content is unsatisfying, or whose content is directly adverse to what content you expect town would deliver.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 09, 2011, 08:25:48 PM
UK:  If I skipped over your wall and just read your tl;dr post, I'd be giving you a free pass for any scumminess contained in your wall post. :P

Anyway, yes, I read the entirety of both posts, and the points I named are the ones that I deemed relevant and took into consideration.  Your point on capt. h in that old post was distilled essence of waffle, and you didn't have a stance on Shadoweh one way or the other by your own admission.  Your stance on rdj was a bit more relevant, I suppose, albeit meaningless at this point.  And the rest of both posts was nitpicking and prods.  Basically, fluff.  Even if it's all true and justified, it says nothing about your alignment, and says nothing about your stance on anyone else.

I'll defend Helepolis in detail if the wagons come down to him versus someone I want to lynch and the case on him hasn't improved, but for the moment it suffices to say that I don't see scum intent there.  As for capt. h, if you had any questions for him that he didn't answer to your satisfaction, you didn't ask him to clarify by your Post #160, and you didn't ask anything else of him between then and your most recent big post.  If he's voteworthy for dodging questions, why didn't you say so when you got what you claim to be a self-evidently incomplete answer?

I'm getting cut to pieces here, so I'll just post this now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 08:26:27 PM
In fact, what is "weak"? You've thrown that around for all who you want to lynch. Is "weak" scummy, ill-motivated, devoid of much logic, what? Define your scumhunting here, I'm not quite sure if you're just aiming for people who are easy targets ("weak") or whose content is unsatisfying, or whose content is directly adverse to what content you expect town would deliver.

You aren't a weak poster. Zak is.

A weak poster for me would be an infrequent one, that doesn't post much content. Players that are hard to read and not very valuable, and players that simply don't bring much to the table quantity or quality wise.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 08:29:14 PM
I refer to this:
Right now, just because Bard bandwagoned onto Zak on the strength of Serp's post. It could change to Yonowaruu if his posts continue to be weak though.

So uh, if Zakeri's posts "continue to be weak", you'd jump to Yonowaruu instead of me.

... I am totes misunderstanding this.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 09, 2011, 08:34:54 PM
Capt. h
Way to dodge my question. You answered it by writing off Hele as newbtown. I'm not understanding why you want Bard dead at all.
Headacheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:38:40 PM

@UK
I was more referring to the part in your initial post where you dismissed Zakeri's case as "not founded in reality," because I found his initial case to be fairly legitimate. The rest of your case on Zak I pretty much agree with, but saying that people's votes on you are "crap" without explaining why they suck is well...bad. That said, you responded to the relevant parts of his case in #186, so everything is :) now.

Of course people can vote for people who voted for them, I'm not arguing that point. >_> But yes, actual OMGUS is scummy.


Oh, ordered listing, cool. Well, if I had an unlimited vote, I would probably put it down on three people right now: Dormio, Zakeri, and a distant third for capt. h.

Look at Dormio, voting Shadoweh and all for silly reasons, sorta like his vote jump on Bardiche. The big follow-up post is pretty bland - he makes a lot of statements and expects people to make their own conclusions from them, notably on Helepolis and rdj. His activity before that consisted of octothorpe shenanigans with Bard and some random conversation. 

Zakeri is still single-minded in his approach. Also, the conclusion of #158, where he admits his case isn't as strong anymore but continues to push it without a clear reason, reads like trying too hard to hold on to a case. Still, this is no excuse for ignoring the rest of the game.

If the last game is any indication, capt. h will look scummy all game regardless of whether he is town or not. I do not think he is as obvscum as everyone else says he is at the moment, but he sure is maddening.

Ninja'd: wtf man.

Not willing to vote Helepolis following his latest post. To be sure, I have no idea where his vote from capt. h comes from, but the effort is more than he's put out the entire game.

Shadoweh's recent response has satisfied me now that I get a better idea of where she is coming from. Not willing to vote for her anymore.


So...basically I'm going to vote for Dormio or Zak. Dormio isn't really getting any scrutiny from other people right now so...
##Unvote
##Vote:Zakeri
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 08:45:17 PM
I personally haven't got a read either way between Zakeri and UK. Right now they could both be town or scum. I think the heavy language is coloring my perceptions since I see the words as scummy. I might not have directly said I felt UK was scummy but I don't tend to argue with people I think are town about opinions and I don't think she answered my question. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597515.html#msg597515) If you did please remind me. Need more input from Zak to assess his motives.

Although, actually, I would like clarification from Shadoweh on this matter. This is like the easiest stance ever to take.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 09, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Bardiche
... Consider me sold for a capt H / Zakeri OTP Scumteam.

Only Scum would try to claim scumteams without any flips.
Seriously, Bardiche, stop being scum.

The reason my vote is still on UK is because of her case against me. It is not an OMGUS vote. I am voting scum for pushing bad cases. I am voting scum for pushing cases they themselves admit they don't even believe in. I thought I broke it down in my last post, but I guess it didn't work, so let's try again.

"So, on the one hand, I know that bad cases aren't scummy but..."
Okay, here, UK is saying she believes that the case she's about to pull on me is completely void.

"last time Zak made a bad case against me, he was scum."
Here, She completely backtracks her statement, on the assessment that because I did one thing one time when I was scum, that means that I'm theoretically always scum every time I do something that could even be called voting her for a "Bad" reason.

"Not to mention his complete failure to account for reality."
This is vague as hell, and it was added to make her case on me seem more valid than "What you're doing is not scum, but I'm going to vote you for it anyway."

If it was just her opinion post taken into account, I would have stepped off to look in other directions, but I can't forgive a case that's this bad. I've been impartial, unbiased, and even somewhat supportive of cases on me before when I realized they had good points, but this case is literally just UK trying to find a reason to start a counterbandwagon, and failing to find one at that.

Quote
I've caught you as scum doing this EXACT SAME THING before. Are you telling me it's somehow not how you show scum intent anymore?
This isn't how meta works. I do one thing once, and suddenly, every time I do something like it, I'm always going to be scum? What exactly makes you think it's not because I think your actions and cases are scummy? In fact, what makes other people think it's not because you might be scum?

...

*sigh*

Of course, with post 188, my original case on UK has completely been conceded, and logic is even going so far as to suggest she's town. This is highly frustrating, since all of my hate now has no place to go, and the best I could do to blow it off now is just calling her an idiot, which isn't useful at all to town, nor my own self-esteem. This absolutely kills my motivation, but whatever.

##Unvote: Uncertain Kitten

Cut: Man, I really don't feel like rereading, and even if I do, it feels like people aren't even voting me for things I did this game. UK's voted me for being scum last game, Bardiche and a few others are voting me for being lurkerscum last game. You guys are making real good cases for me not to play anymore. Basically, the only person who I would even let slide for my wagon is Serpentarius.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 09, 2011, 08:54:37 PM
Well, no, it's more the fact that you've said nothing about any other player except me. Or are you going to pretend that's not a thing that happened? Because you know, I'm voting you for that too. Probably more so than the original terrible case.

So, way to try to discredit the wagon on you when it's for reasons found in this game, proposed by several people.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 09, 2011, 08:57:01 PM
I'm just joking about the lurkscum accusation, bro.

Your entire push on UK was just for UK playing as she normally does, which to me felt/feels like an easy stance to take. NOW you better underline what the crux of your point was, which is clearly better, and if you are willing to also look past UK I am perfectly fine with lynching other people.

Now, keep your pecker up, and if you want me to cool it on some accusations or at least quit joking about the lurkscum from past game I will do that. I don't want to demotivate anyone, I just like playing outside my regular meta often. So that I don't have regular meta. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 09, 2011, 09:59:20 PM
Oh dear God, words.

@Caedo 164: You know what you're post is missing? That's right! Analysis! It's all well and good to report things you find off, and then just throw town vibes at people for no reason, but it'd be REALLY NICE if we could at least know what you think of, say, Serela and Conquerer outside of cute question marky faces!
Know what else is missing?
NeoSerela.
How am I meant to make a case on someone that doesn't exist?
Also, Conqueror didn't exist at the time too.

I'll be making another post to try and sort through all these words.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 09, 2011, 10:02:41 PM
Timezones are a huge burden on me. But that is still no excuse I guess, though majority here still seems GMT-6/8 ? Oh well...

Quote from: UncertainKitten
Anyway, your post says a lot of nothing except a very comprehensive summary of the game. Now, sure, I use those too to get my bearings on things. How about this. Can you explain to me why capt. h. is scum in 5 sentences or less? Concision is pro town (even if I find it hard to practice what I preach while catching up)
I got nothing to hide. I will explain this. It might be a very weird reason but the vote analysis still goes on for me.

First of all, Bardiche's post #178 says "rdj, I have seen the light, I was touched by your excellence and am no longer convinced you're scum! ##UNVOTE"

I was kind questioned by this reply. I backtracked to rdj's last post #138. But what is so excellent here? He self reflects on a few things and instantly becomes "clear". Furthermore, Rdj votes on capt h. but Bardiche actually votes on Zakeri because he needs to rage less? And right exactly after Serp has unvoted UK and voted Zakeri as well? I looked at the vote counts. There were 4 on Zakeri already and 3 on Capt h including Shadoweh.

The question now which puzzles in my head the entire time... What is Shadoweh going to do. Somehow I was suspecting Shadoweh to vote for Zakeri as well. I am still waiting for it to happen. Especially that Conqueror changed his vote from Shadoweh to Zakeri as well because Shadoweh satisfied Conqueror with the explanation she gave and the reason given for Zakeri? A choice between Dormio and Zakeri, and Zakeri feels more scummy according to Conqueror. What?

I never understood the satisfactory element in her post. No matter how many times I see it, it doesn't make sense. That makes 5 votes already on Zakeri, like sudden.

For this reason, I voted capt. h. Just to see what was going to happen and prevent instant possible bandwagon jump for the remaining votes. Surprisingly, the people who I didn't expect questioned my vote suddenly: Which is UK

What I am wondering is, how many of the people who voted on Zakeri are already scum. My guess it, 2 scums are most likely sitting and waiting for the votecount to become 6+. If I would vote for Zakeri now, it would be the perfect opportunity for them. But before we can realise it, it might be too late.

Now you would say like: "Wait a minute Helepolis, maybe YOU are just waiting for the 6th vote on Zakeri and then you will jump in with another scum!"

No, because I am going to change my vote to  either Bardiche or Shadoweh as soon as Shadoweh switches from capt h to Zakeri. What makes me wonder now the most is, why is Bardiche being heavily defended by Conqueror, Shadoweh and Bardiche himself. Also Serp has been quite silent to Capt h's  vote on Bardiche's.

- Why did Conqueror got that easily satisfied by Shadoweh's post?
- How come Serp and Bardiche voted on Zakeri after Bardiche was "enlighted" by Rdj's weird post?

I have the feeling the trap has been already set up by the scums, just waiting for the final person to trip in. Zakeri is being framed by a clever grouping, except I cannot figure out who the grouping exactly is, but Shadoweh and one person's move will reveal it form.

Also the biggest problem here is Neoserela's vote. It gives the people who want to get rid of Zakeri so hard extra advantage. And scums will take that advantage no matter what. This is perhaps unfair to Townies because we cannot talk to NeoSerela, we cannot ask his opinion and neither we can do anything.

In my previous vote I already questioned Bardiche. He does it again, the same behaviour but this time with support but the support goes like this : "why do you think he is scum?"  Easy to ask others "what do you think"  before giving your own statement first. That is like starting a discussion topic somewhere and saying /discuss.

So yea, UK. Even though this Vote analysis is hard to do and not very newbie friendly, It somehow is becoming what I was expecting.

In #188, UK said this "Though we have a problem. Both my suspects are the leading wagons. If I move to capt. h., I'll implicitly protect Zakscum. If I stick on Zak, I'm protecting Captain HScum here. For now, sticking on Zak. I do not necessarily find Zak scummier than capt. h. at this point."

My biggest concern now: Who will change his vote from  Capt h, to Zakeri or visa versa.  That is my biggest concern. Serp questioning Capt h's vote on Bard. Conqueror doing the same. And what is Capt h going to do? Is he goign to stick on Bard? Or he is going to change vote as well.

So many possible scenarios, it makes me confused. And here I am trying to dig through several posts, trying to explain my motives but bloody time zones. Probably when I wake up tomorrow, It will be a whole different vote count.

For now, I am sticking with Capt h with my vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 09, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
Voting
Zakeri(5): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Serp, Bard, Conqueror (L-3)
capt h(4): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis (L-4)
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
Bardiche:(1): capt h
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Shadoweh(1):  Dormio

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~22 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 10:19:05 PM
@Helepolis

A choice between Dormio and Zakeri, and I chose the latter because it's clear that most of the people here are not going to be voting for Dormio. Zakeri coming in and not making another case doesn't really help things on his end, although if he is town, he should come in and make a good case on the rest of the game so that I can re-evaluate my opinion on him.

As for my vote on Shadoweh, her latest post explained her intentions to my relative satisfaction, much like your big post did in your case. Although I would like clarification on her fence-sitting stances on Zakeri and UK.


As for your new post, it doesn't really explain why you think capt. h is scum though, or why you are continuing to vote for him.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
Right now there are two wagons, one on myself and one on Zak.

Of these wagon votes, the ones that stick out the most are Helepolis?s vote on me and Bard?s vote on Zak. The problem with Bard?s vote is that I haven?t seen his case yet; he was allowed to jump onto Zak without offering an explanation of why he chose Zak. Since his vote was the forth one, and arguably the one that cemented the Zak bandwagon, I think it deserves further scrutiny.

Honestly, I can?t quite understand Helepolis?s case against me. The fact that he didn?t know scum could vote indicated that he was far newer to this game than I imagined. That?s the primary reason I haven?t voted him yet.


##Unvote
##Vote capt. h

Many of you will consider this bandwagoning. Let me tell you: You are wrong. Even if Shadoweh has outputted to get rid of you, that isn't my reason. The minority is informed. The scums know who their buddies are. Right now most likely they are trying hard to prevent obvious groupings.

However, we can see some groupings going on. Particular the people who I set my eyes on are: Bardiche, Capt. h and Shezo. However, Capt. h's behaviour, posting aggression makes me wonder: "Why". If you are a townie, you wouldn't be cause this kind of a mess to everybody. Sticking your nose in other people's business as well as spouting random words. You and few others kept on performing pressure to do something. Hoping they would slip up? ** smirks **

However, I have my eyes on Bardiche and Shezo as well. Especially Bardiche, who has just like you, started suddenly post fast and extremely defensive. Especially outputting posts which nobody asked for. So far, I am sticking with Capt. h. The following hours will most likely bring us more knowledge. I am still little puzzled about Yonowaaru.

As a matter of fact, yes, I was hoping scum would slip up. Making scum slip up is a wonderful way to catch scum, and is the reason for my pressure. You should try to make scum slip up too.

Now NeoSerela?s playing possum. It?s starting to bother me, because after Shadoweh?s anti-sanity case against her I was hoping to follow up on her.

I refer to this:
So uh, if Zakeri's posts "continue to be weak", you'd jump to Yonowaruu instead of me.

... I am totes misunderstanding this.

I meant if Yonowaruu continues to make weak cases, I?ll jump to him.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 09, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
oh dear god that wasn't supposed to take that long

...I'm heeeeeeere! ;_; Oops. Anyway. Post! Yeah. It's right here. now I just need to type the rest of it gdi

I dislike when D1 is full of walls. Because there usually isn't a whole lot of stuff in them that is important on rereads. PoS Mafia's 300 word limit rule was cool for that reason ): Anyway, trudging through this.

The first thing that's sticking out to me is how capt.h seems to be utterly blind to the fact that Bard DOES have a case on Zak. It's like he looked at Bard's post, saw the Zak vote, and failed to read any of the words in his post afterwards. And then failed to notice Bard responding to him and repeating his case.

But, judging from last game, this is pretty much what's to be expected from capt.h anyway. Which is irritating.

...uh. More coming soon. I'm figuring I should post this first because A.clearing up capt.h's confusion and B.I don't want the bunny to shoot me for not being here because modkills are terrible for everyone.

Oh and I guess I should also respond to his >"It’s starting to bother me, because after Shadoweh’s anti-sanity case against her I was hoping to follow up on her." ummmm you were planning to follow up on someone's rvs jokevote even though we're waaaaaaaay past RVS?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
I am currently still reading, but at a glance I already know I want to vote capt.h 4 more times. That's impossible so here's some motivation for you all.

>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->
Green thunder crackled in the radioactive sky as the survivors huddled around a rusty barrel, the flames within providing meager warmth. Another booming noise sounded off in the night, this time far too close for comfort. The group turned to watch as the gruff, no-nonsense Shadoweh waved her shotgun in front of a terrified, cornered capt.h. "I gave you my reasons, why are you still voting me?!" he cried. Shadoweh took a drag from her cigar. "You're making up reasons for voting Bard as you go. AND you won't stop calling me he. This is the end for you." capt.h tried to plea for sanity, "That doesn't sound like a vote for scum!" Shadoweh answered with a maniacal cackle. "Town? Scum?" She aimed the shotgun. "I'm the one with the vig." *BANG*
>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->

(Nothing to see here go on about your mafia)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 09, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
oh dear god that wasn't supposed to take that long

...I'm heeeeeeere! ;_; Oops. Anyway. Post! Yeah. It's right here. now I just need to type the rest of it gdi

I dislike when D1 is full of walls. Because there usually isn't a whole lot of stuff in them that is important on rereads. PoS Mafia's 300 word limit rule was cool for that reason ): Anyway, trudging through this.

The first thing that's sticking out to me is how capt.h seems to be utterly blind to the fact that Bard DOES have a case on Zak. It's like he looked at Bard's post, saw the Zak vote, and failed to read any of the words in his post afterwards. And then failed to notice Bard responding to him and repeating his case.

But, judging from last game, this is pretty much what's to be expected from capt.h anyway. Which is irritating.

...uh. More coming soon. I'm figuring I should post this first because A.clearing up capt.h's confusion and B.I don't want the bunny to shoot me for not being here because modkills are terrible for everyone.

Oh and I guess I should also respond to his >"It?s starting to bother me, because after Shadoweh?s anti-sanity case against her I was hoping to follow up on her." ummmm you were planning to follow up on someone's rvs jokevote even though we're waaaaaaaay past RVS?

Hm, you know, I think you're right. I don't have a case on Bard anymore.

##Unvote
##Vote Yonowaruu


I'm pursuing where I left off. Yonowaruu seems to be avoiding the spotlight, trying to draw as little attention to himself as possible while not actually giving any input and not doing any scum hunting. He said he'll get back to us later, but I don't know when later will come.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 11:36:53 PM
UK is my twin from another dimension, except for that Zakeri thing. Last game's dimension probably. Tone it down, you're going overboard in your psychotic blitz. Who besides Zakeri or capt.h would you be willing to vote for if they became an option? Please answer with at least two names.

Zakeri, the thing that people are voting you for about not making cases on anyone but UK becomes more valid the more you say :effort: instead of actually doing it. You're better then that. Forget about the stupid wagon and make a case on someone you think is scum now. Demotivation is the enemy! I'll write you something special if you do it nicely~

Helepolis: That is not five sentences or less oh dear lord. I have no intention of voting for Zakeri at this moment, though if he keeps his vote gone and can't muster up conviction I have to assume he's scum clamming up and vote accordingly. In fact I don't know where you could have gotten that impression from before now. I am so happy with my vote right now. Scum aren't going to quickly vote for a lynch. The last vote is suspect but likely to be a townie pushing against no-lynch as anything.

Conqueror: My fence sitting post means exactly what it looked like, except without willingness to jump on either side until something else glaring came up. At this moment I'd still be hesitant to vote either of them. I could go for a Dormio bandwagon right now, but not the Zak one.

So yes, capt.h is still posting from Planet Scum to me. Please die easy! If I missed something anyone asked me please repeat, I'm sunburnt and tired and the screen is fuzzy.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 09, 2011, 11:39:37 PM
The last vote is suspect but likely to be a townie pushing against no-lynch as anything.

What's this mean?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 09, 2011, 11:59:41 PM
If no majority is reached there's no lynch in this game. No lynches are bad, therefore a townie may be motivated to hammer someone for the sake of preventing a no-lynch just as much as a scum might hammer a townie wagon.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:05:00 AM
Cool, Helpolis. So what's your case on me again? "He voted Zakeri!" is not an answer we can work with, you're going to have to give arguments. And arguments that go "BUT HE MIGHT QUICKLYNCH" are silly, and the misrepresentations do not put you in a bright light.

For one, I never said rdj was clear. Just that I was no longer CONVINCED he was scum. Rather, he could be, but there are scummier things about.
The second misrepresentation is saying that I voted Zakeri because he needed to rage less. I voted Zakeri because his case on UK hinges completely on "UK is UK", and this is not the world of Slayers where we can arrest people for the crime of "being Lina Inverse".

Put simply, Zakeri made a case that hit on all the things UK always does in any Mafia game ever, and then declares it is scummy. It's voting her for being herself, which is absurd and doesn't smell of townie-motivation.



Also, if Shadoweh is scummy to you, why are you telling her "Do this and I'll vote Bardiche"?

Hey Zak? Don't take this the wrong way. ##UNvote

I still think you're pretty darn scummy and will jump right back on you if you just flop down and do nothing. But right now I also want to see Helepolis lynched because whoah, man, bro, why are you telling people strategies on how to get votes on other people? Why are you misrepresenting my actions, and why are you suggesting it is scummy to vote someone who is scummy? There were three votes on Zakeri before. This means three people thought Zakeri was scummy.

I added my own version of why he is scummy but I'm not allowed?

##Vote: Helepolis
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 12:12:46 AM
is shadoweh softclaiming vig, I can't tell

anyway, REREAD! Starting from the beginning.

---------------------------------------
UK stating "Shadoweh is also town" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597038.html#msg597038) in just-out-of-RVS makes me frown. It seems very out of place, in a suspicious way. But whatever, this is a rather minor thing. But I'll be looking at you, UK *coughs and moves on*

Everytime Helepolis posts I look at it, turn my head a bit sideways, look at it again, go "awwwwwwwr", and move on still not really being sure exactly what he said. I'm not saying he's scummy, but the way he words things makes me feel like I'm talking to someone speaking a different dialect of Chinese then the one I speak, while still being Chinese. Not that I actually speak chinese. I can't remember what I'm talking about anymore, actually, so I'll just move on.

Okay, UKpost looking weird at me again!
Quote from: UncertainKibbles
Anyway, it's a wash. Your answer is EXACTLY what I expected from a townie. Your list trying to get us to attack noobs, however, feels scummy."
This reads to me as "Okay, you answered exactly how I think town-you would! YOU SEEM SCUMMY." Uh, what? This feels really contradictory and off. Again, in a kind of suspicious way.

Oh I just remembered I have a vote sitting on Zakeri :V Whoopsie,
##Unvote !

And then Shadoweh releases some hot steamy girl-on-ITG porn and I'm not entirely sure how to respond to that. In other news, I kind of find myself agreeing with this Zak!post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597567.html#msg597567).

I've indepth-ly read the rest of the game as well, and my conclusion is, there's good info on many people to be analyzed to get a estimation on how I feel about them, but I'd like our two flips to help me work with it more. My ground to stand on from which I sprout my tree of speculation, you know?

I feel UK looks funky enough in a suspicious way for me to vote her, but unless people start showing an interest in that, it seems fairly irrelevant to vote her at the moment; by the time I wake up tomorrow, there will be only a few hours left in the day, so I'd much rather have my vote where it will matter, aka on someone who might actually be lynched. Not only that, but her later posts in the day seem very solid and good, which makes me a little weary.

The two far most likely people to be lynched today judging from this point in time are Zak and Capt.h, as is quite obvious from the recent votecounts. Zak, I'm not particularly feeling to be scum. I like his posts. I don't see scummy things about them except perhaps  tunneling on UK but I'm not sure if he even DID that and I really don't feel like rereading again to make sure.

Capt.h on the other hand, has that weird case on Bardiche that wasn't correct at all even when it was made, not to mention held onto long after he should have realized he was wrong, and then afterwards he jumps on someone for being lurky. A.Attacking lurkers is effortless, easy; B.D1 is not the time to go after lurkers. This isn't even mentioning his general confusing and often anti-town-looking antics, which he seems to do all the time anyway judging from last game, but... suffice it to say, I see enough on him to be okay with lynching him today, even if I excuse the more minor typical capt.h song and dance.

##Vote Capt.h

This post too WAAAAAAAAAY too long to make >_>;
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:17:39 AM
Are you seriously trying to push a misrep in after I just voted Helepolis for doing it?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 12:19:08 AM
Who, me? >:

Can I know what I'm misrepping?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:23:14 AM
Quote
Anyway, it's a wash. Your answer is EXACTLY what I expected from a townie. Your list trying to get us to attack noobs, however, feels scummy."

This, duh. I didn't get "You're town! ALSO SCUM" from that line at all, and I wonder how you got to that.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 12:28:10 AM
It just stuck out to me as disjointed. She says she has a question that shall lead her to think Shadoweh either more likely town or scum, and then she says Shadoweh answered in the perfect townie manner, except she's still scummy anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:34:19 AM
I... disagree with that interpretation, but I guess I can now see how you arrived at that idea. Okay, consider my complaint there withdrawn even though I strongly disagree with that assessment.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 12:50:07 AM
Dormio-
I would like a little elaboration on why you aren't voting for the person who gives you a "scummy vibe."
Because at this point, my suspicion of capt. h is mainly just what everyone else has been saying.
I'll be willing to switch to him if the need arises though.

Anyway, on to Shadoweh.
Firstly, continues to do that weird roleplay thing.
Secondly, why are you ignoring Zakeri?
You said that you could see him either way (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597733.html#msg597733), then claim that Zakeri is being lazy (anti-town?), that you're unwilling to go after him regardless and question anyone that does (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598132.html#msg598132).

Warning - while you were typing 16 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Aww yeah.

But apparently the popular wagons right now are Zakeri and capt. h.
So let's look at both of them some more.
Making another post because wtfcut.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 12:57:28 AM
@Hele 212: Wonderful, but you completely failed to do what I asked. 5 sentences or less on why capt. h. is scum. That said I do kind of see what you're looking for...I think.

@Shadoweh 218: No one ^-^. There are some things I am waiting for before I expand my focus. Everyone else has been posting decently, posting derptown, or not posting. I don't plan to push the non posters until D2. That'll give me some flips to work off of and the ability to analyze who was missing at key times and why, etc.

@Serela 222: That's nice. Why does it make you frown? What scum motivation is there? I did explain why I thought as such, so I really don't see why you're saying that except to sound dramatic and pad your post?

The second post that you find "weird" really isn't. She gave the right answer, but her other actions bugged me. Not enough to vote her, I had her at neutral at that point.

The third thing is...his posting has been terrible. Zak, I mean. Sure, I'll even grant the case on me as some ~*~content~*~. Too bad EVERYTHING AFTER IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME BESIDES STUPID RHETORIC AND A NOTEABLE LACK OF OPINIONS ON ANYONE ELSE!

Ugh, whatever, I don't care anymore, capt. h and Zak are BOTH pretty terrible.

Nothing else of interest besides Serela being Serela. /me slow claps.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
I am currently still reading, but at a glance I already know I want to vote capt.h 4 more times. That's impossible so here's some motivation for you all.

>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->
Green thunder crackled in the radioactive sky as the survivors huddled around a rusty barrel, the flames within providing meager warmth. Another booming noise sounded off in the night, this time far too close for comfort. The group turned to watch as the gruff, no-nonsense Shadoweh waved her shotgun in front of a terrified, cornered capt.h. "I gave you my reasons, why are you still voting me?!" he cried. Shadoweh took a drag from her cigar. "You're making up reasons for voting Bard as you go. AND you won't stop calling me he. This is the end for you." capt.h tried to plea for sanity, "That doesn't sound like a vote for scum!" Shadoweh answered with a maniacal cackle. "Town? Scum?" She aimed the shotgun. "I'm the one with the vig." *BANG*
>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->>>---->

(Nothing to see here go on about your mafia)

Shadoweh - Are you going to vig me tonight if I don't get lynched?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 01:24:24 AM
capt.h: Are you going to make a post that isn't fishing?

UK: Well, at least you gave a blunt answer. Noted then.

NeoSerela: So let me get this straight. You've indepth-ly read the rest of the game as well, and your conclusion is "Well look at all those words. Well, on to day two!". If you didn't include opinions with that post I would cut you for this. You could at least try to be someone worth killing to scum tonight.

Anyway, on to Shadoweh.
Firstly, continues to do that weird roleplay thing.
Secondly, why are you ignoring Zakeri?
You said that you could see him either way (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597733.html#msg597733), then claim that Zakeri is being lazy (anti-town?), that you're unwilling to go after him regardless and question anyone that does (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598132.html#msg598132).

I did not say that. Stop making me regret my limited to one vote. I've never said I was going to question anyone that went after Zakeri. I am not claiming that Zakeri is being lazy. Zakeri unvoted in his last post and hasn't made another case yet. I didn't even say I'm unwilling to go after him because in that very post you quoted I stated under what circumstance I would vote for him.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 01:28:28 AM
capt.h: Are you going to make a post that isn't fishing?

You threatened a vig on me. That's rather important, and I'd like to know if you plan on following through.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 01:33:26 AM
No, capt h., it's none of your fucking business. Get your head out of the fucking roles, and get your head into finding scum. You
Do
Not
Have
ANY
Other
Goal
Than
Catching
Scum.

(Unless you are scum, which you probably are.) So stop. Fucking. Rolefishing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 01:35:35 AM
No, capt h., it's none of your fucking business. Get your head out of the fucking roles, and get your head into finding scum. You
Do
Not
Have
ANY
Other
Goal
Than
Catching
Scum.

(Unless you are scum, which you probably are.) So stop. Fucking. Rolefishing.

UK, I am perfectly justified in being concerned when someone threatens to vig me. It has everything to do with me. How the hell is getting vigged NOT my buisness?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 01:38:07 AM
Why don't you make a case on why you shouldn't be "vigged" instead of trying to find out whether or not a vig exists?
Make a case on someone else instead of looking for answers to questions that can only help scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 01:38:59 AM
Because if you don't want to be vigged, than you damn well stop looking scummy! Fishing to see if Shadoweh would vig you is 10 kinds of wrong.

Hey, how about this. I will totally fucking vig you, capt. h. How do you like them apples!? There you go, you know who the vig is and that she's going to vig you! Now produce some damn content!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 01:45:06 AM
Because if you don't want to be vigged, than you damn well stop looking scummy! Fishing to see if Shadoweh would vig you is 10 kinds of wrong.

Hey, how about this. I will totally fucking vig you, capt. h. How do you like them apples!? There you go, you know who the vig is and that she's going to vig you! Now produce some damn content!

Let me rephrase that then. If I don't get lynched, will I die tonight? It's very important that I know whether or not I'm going to get NK'd.

In other words, I need you to promise that I will in fact not make it to day 2. It doesn't really matter who keeps me from reaching day 2, as long as I know I won't be there.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on April 10, 2011, 01:46:04 AM
Oh my holy... Wow today, not the best weekend to play mafia, irregardless. 

Alright so I should talk about what I think about the two bandwagons we have going on today then since deadline is approaching.  Other stuff thrown in there too for fun.

Hele:  He seems, odd but after his 211 I can kinda see where his intents are going.  That's not to say he can't be scum but that post brought a few things to the table like how Bardiche is being heavily defended, even if it was by people who overreacted to his weird actions.  Your playing of if(){ then; }statements however don't lead me to believe that you are all town.  I think it has been pointed out that you should just put your opinions out there about people anyways so that later you won't look so anti town for waiting for approval to give thoughts and being asked.  That said, he's less threatening than the other two.

Zakeri:  I find this very curious that all game he has had nothing to say about pretty much anyone except his super tunnel on UK and a bit here and there towards Bard.  Ugh, beyond that I would like him to die since he has nothing to really say about others and everything else about him has already been beat over the head with a stick.

Capt. H:  Just the fact that it took that long to finally see that his case on Bard with his overreaction was a bad one and up until just recently he unvotes.  He had plenty of time to make some case on other people and I know that there is stuff to be said but he instead takes the incredibly easy way out and hops on a lurker.  He keeps going on about game speculatio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597969.html#msg597969)n and I want to kill him for it since now is not the time or ever really to do that.  His declaration of wanting scum to "slip up" gave off a lazy vibe that doesn't seem to come from town because it's almost as if he's waiting for said slip up instead of actually trying to scum hunt and that does not help town in the slightest, especially if the scums never do slip up to where he can see it like he claims.  I'm content with my vote being here.

Warning 19 replies.  Good God.  I have a few other things to say but that took forever and fatigue, I'll come back soon.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 01:49:01 AM
I don't see why this is even relevant since you're getting lynched today~
I would probably stop getting scum vibes from UK if she stopped being demotivational. :ohdear: Stop playing around on the Zak wagon and come join me in blissful voting matrimony.

Seriously, even if it's important to your work schedule no one is ever going to answer what you're asking capt.h so you'll have to :dwi:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 01:54:05 AM
Capt. h.: If you don't get your ass in gear and produce actual, solid, scumhunting content, you are NOT living through the night. That good enough for you? Now DROP IT.

@Shadoweh: Except Zak is scum. Why are you defending scum?


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 01:59:07 AM
I'm going to assume I'm going to die, so here?s what you need to know:

Border of Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FLclPKznaw)

(http://media.otakuzone.com/store/character/6/3146/T1251449037379bd5ee6fe55aaeb673025dbcb8f939c1.jpg)

I am Gai Kurasawa, human detective. Basically, I?m a vanilla townie. The mod is a bastard when it comes to role names, so I thought I should tell you, since you need to know that role cops will be next to useless, and that I am not in any way a role cop.

I was kind of annoyed when I got to the episode Gai was in. Gai has no positive qualitites whatsoever, and I would have rather not been associated with him. He has body odor problems, a paralyzing fear of cats, and saying his investigative style is ?unorthodox? is giving him too much credit.

Captain H.
Tell me. Who. Is scum.

Why. Does. ShadowehxBard. Concern you. At all?

How. Are your. Questions. Pro town? Did it EVER occur to you that if ANYTHING is going on, it MIGHT be in the best interest of things to keep it from scum? OBFUSCATION ISN'T ALWAYS ANTI TOWN!

You really want to know?

I just really, really can?t tolerate the Shadoweh x Bard or the Shadoweh threatening a vig on me at night. It?s distracting, annoying, and I?m sure it has something to do with one of the roles. Frankly, I?m not sure I care. If every contractor is dead at the end of the game, I probably win. At least, I think I win. My alignment is human, and I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Now, I think you?re scum. See, I think we have two town wagons here, and I see you at the center of both of them, making sure they both took off. If you aren?t scum, then I?m sure scum is thanking you right now for doing their job for them. Course I suppose I?ll only know if both wagons are town when Zak flips.

Not only that, but you keep swearing whenever I try to make inquiries. It?s very annoying, and the way you defend Shadoweh is amazing. She?s obviously a contractor, and I have no idea what her alignment is. I try to press her about her interactions with Bard, you tell me it?s none of my business. I ask her whether she plans to vig me, you say it?s none of my business. Frankly, of course it?s my business. I suppose if I said I was going to vig you, you would ignore me too because you wouldn?t consider it any of your business.

##Unvote
##Vote UncertainKitten
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 02:00:27 AM
...Why you do this.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 02:00:56 AM
...Why you do this.

To warn you that the role cops are useless.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 10, 2011, 02:01:50 AM
Voting
capt h(5): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis, NeoSerela (L-3)
Zakeri(3): UncertainKitten, Serp, Conqueror
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
Helepolis(2): Hanged Hourai, Bard
Shadoweh(1):  Dormio
UncertainKitten(1): capt h

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~18 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 02:02:23 AM
I reread your post just now so I'm not having a heart attack anymore. I misread it the first time.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 02:04:02 AM
The role cops aren't useless as long as the say what the power itself is and not just the rolename.

But yeah, we'll know not to take rolenames in flips at face value. Nice to know.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 02:04:30 AM
Because my UnimaginablyKurvacious double from another dimension, I still do not believe Zak is scum so much as frustrated with your unstoppable violent force. I am as always willing to give someone the chance to make a case and touch the souls of the town. (even if I try to murder them right after it displeases me.)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:05:39 AM
That's nice capt. h. So you find me annoying because you are a terrible fucking player at this game and I'm not putting up with your shit. Fantastic~

And you vote me because I'm annoying. Best. Case. Ever.

##Unvote, Vote Capt. H.

L-2 guys.

The only thing that amazes me is that we're wagoning two scum at once.

@Shadoweh: That's nice that he's frustrated. If he wants to stop being such, how about he posts real content and actually plays the damn game. His posts are not town intended! Who do I have to shoot to get that across to people?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:09:36 AM
EBWOP: I'm getting way too harsh at this point. Backing off here. If I end up not posting for the rest of the night, sorry.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:20:17 AM
All right. So I'm only going to say this once, capt. h. And nicely even, to boot.

1) Role information should NEVER be interesting to you D1. Barring fullclaims which means something's gone horribly wrong
2) Spending every post talking about role information and what annoys you is not pro town
3) Spending absolutely 0 posts telling us who you think is actually scum for their actions in game is not pro town
4) Mafia is not a game of quantitative reasoning, it is of qualitative reasoning. You will not logic puzzle a well designed game of mafia. And even if you CAN, without all the information on the table, you have no clues. Please stop trying.
5) When you are repeatedly asked to stop doing something because it's not pro town, you generally should take it under advisory
6) When someone makes repeated requests of something from you, you should either say you aren't going to provide it (and preferably why), or put up.
7) I apologize for getting so frustrated with you to the point of having to cuss you out. I won't let it happen again.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 02:37:12 AM
I hate you so much right now, finally making a post with something I think is good in it.
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Now, I think you?re scum. See, I think we have two town wagons here, and I see you at the center of both of them, making sure they both took off. If you aren?t scum, then I?m sure scum is thanking you right now for doing their job for them. Course I suppose I?ll only know if both wagons are town when Zak flips.
Why did it take you until you did a roleclaim to do the thing we've been insisting you do for over two days and actually look for possible scum actions? These observations? Make more of them. If you are truly town they will benefit town even if you are gone the next day. If you're scum, well then please make more for sure~

For being a detail oriented person you sure missed a big one. You should go look at Pesco's setup in the sign-up thread. I'll even quote the relevant part for you: "The game will be closed nightless setup, themed with the elements of contractors from Darker than Black. Alignments from the source media are unrelated to alignments in the game. Role names may be subject to bastard mod."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 03:39:09 AM
I waited so long to post a good case because I wasn't confident.

Now I'm confident.

My case on UK is the following ? UK started two wagons today against two players. I don?t think Zak is scum. I?m not scum. But one of us is getting lynched, and she is the reason we?re picking between two town players.

I don?t care about role information at this juncture, Shadoweh. I had no reason to reveal how bastardly my flip would be unless I thought I would die, since declaring a detective role puts a nice big target on my back for scum. When I flipped, you would see human detective according to the rules, and nothing else. I am not a human detective, I am a vanilla townie. What I care about is why you thought Bardiche was town earlier when I tried to press you about him. But UK got in my way. That?s another point against him; he gets in the way of my scum hunting.

Now at the time Zak made his case on UK, I felt Zak?s case was justified. Zak managed to make a perfectly good case against her, and she got Zak to be first in line for a lynch for it. Perhaps Zak hasn?t made enough posts defending himself, but I consider his behavior relatively pro-town at the time, and the way UK is getting him to hang for it is another point against her.

But perhaps most importantly of all, she?s placed herself in the center of two lynches. I don?t care if you?re scum or town; leading one lynch seems townie enough. Being at the head of two at the same time feels like scum trying to get town fighting town to me.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 04:00:11 AM
Can you feel the love tonight? I sure don't.

But you know, just in case. Asking because someone might see, y'know, the love. capt h being unable to tolerate Shadoweh and my new found OTP love is saddening, but not immediately scummy.

General rule of thumb is that when someone does something that implies a role or anything, you ask once. If they refuse further information, you drop it - any further and you'll be accused of doing nothing but rolefishing. If you don't watch it, you'll already be accused of role fishing. (the rest just thinks of asking but doesn't do it)

Also, even if someone annoys you on a personal level, don't outright reveal this is your reason for voting because it does not earn you brownie points. Again, not a scumtell, but people will remove you for not playing the game.

Still fine with my vote as it stands, but am perfectly fine with swapping to capt h.


... ninja'd by his best post ever. OK, retracting that, not fine with swapping right now. Interested to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:21:18 AM
Mmm. capt.h, I need you to clarify some of your points for me.
My case on UK is the following ? UK started two wagons today against two players. I don?t think Zak is scum. I?m not scum. But one of us is getting lynched, and she is the reason we?re picking between two town players.
Show me the proof that UK was involved in the start of your wagon, preferrably with a link to where this happened.
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What I care about is why you thought Bardiche was town earlier when I tried to press you about him. But UK got in my way. That?s another point against him; he gets in the way of my scum hunting.
You mean why I never stated the opinion that I thought Bardiche was town when you were asking me what my opinion of him was? I'm afraid I can't answer that question, but have pointed out that your statement is technically incorrect.
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Now at the time Zak made his case on UK, I felt Zak?s case was justified. Zak managed to make a perfectly good case against her, and she got Zak to be first in line for a lynch for it. Perhaps Zak hasn?t made enough posts defending himself, but I consider his behavior relatively pro-town at the time, and the way UK is getting him to hang for it is another point against her.
Zak has made too many posts defending himself, that's the basis of their cases. However since he was defending himself from the subject of his case it can be seen in my mind as pro-town, but I can't determine that until he comes forth and lays out another case. What parts of his case did you find pro-town? Please specify.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 04:39:08 AM
Uh, UK, did you just switch your vote to capt. h for being a terrible player when Zak hasn't done anything to improve his status?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 04:40:00 AM
EBWOP: "terrible player"
Sorry capt. h, no hard feelings.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 04:42:48 AM
Derp triple post.
@Mods: Also, the votecount is wrong, you have NeoSerela voting twice.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:43:23 AM
That was part of it. Another part was the fact that I thought deadline was a lot closer. And a third part was, I'm honestly willing to see capt. h. hang as well. I've told you all why he's scum several times. Apparently people agree. So, since the Zak wagon seems to have stalled, capt. h. gets it.

Admittedly? The initial vote switch was purely out of frustration. I'm willing to stand by it though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:49:39 AM
UK, ignore the fact that he's making these points on you for a minute. Do you still think he's scum reading his last few posts?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 06:19:25 AM
Voting
capt h(6): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis, NeoSerela, UncertainKitten (L-2)
Zakeri(2): Serp, Conqueror
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
Helepolis(2): Hanged Hourai, Bard
Shadoweh(1):  Dormio
UncertainKitten(1): capt h

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~15 hours remain. This time remaining includes the time for twilight. If you do not save some time for twilight, you might miss the window period to send in actions.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 07:34:03 AM
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Awesome.

Well since it looks like capt. h is digging his own grave or something right now, let's discuss Zakeri.

Firstly random votes and discussion about the previous game with Bardiche blahblahblah, don't really care about this.
In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597567.html#msg597567) he says a few things about Shadoweh and Bardiche, but ultimately it seems like a long-winded OMGUS on UK to me.
Afterwards, when UK had posted some more and stuff, he basically gave up his case on UK with no other votes or scumhunting.
... And that sums up pretty much his entire activity.

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 07:35:05 AM
@ the previous "You didn't explain in 5 lines (ry"
You seriously think I could have explained that in 5 lines? That is not possible, the information would be terribly formed.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche


Letting capt. h. get lynched isn't going to happen. However, he (and I as well) fear he might get killed eventually.

@ #221 from Bardiche.
Quote from: Bardiche
Cool, Helpolis. So what's your case on me again? "He voted Zakeri!" is not an answer we can work with, you're going to have to give arguments.

Case? On you? You probably missed it in my post. I didn't had a case. Funny how you suddenly pull that out. I merely said I was keeping my eyes on you. As a said clearly: I was observing what the bandwagon was going to do on Zakeri. I was convinced already Capt h. was not a scum before. Neither is Zakeri. The scums are simply doing a nice grouping in a relative clever way.

A fellow scum isn't going to kill his buddy on day 1. That is stupid and unreasonable and everybody knows that. Doesn't take to be rocket scientist to get that.

First, everybody I questioned in #211
Quote from: Helepolis
What makes me wonder now the most is, why is Bardiche being heavily defended by Conqueror, Shadoweh and Bardiche himself. Also Serp has been quite silent to Capt h's  vote on Bardiche's.
This question was never answered, in fact it got totally evaded/ignored. Conqueror only clarified on the difference between Zakeri and Dormio, which I directly asked. But that wasn't my main concern. I find this very unusual.

So yea, Bardiche. You might want to explain why you are in fact being defended? And your vote against me, is that a grudge vote I am sensing? A townie would not output such behaviour in my eyes. Your hopping along after Serp's vote on Zakeri is also making no sense. Your explanation why you got "enlighted" by rdj's post is weak.  In #221 you say: "For one, I never said rdj was clear. Just that I was no longer CONVINCED he was scum. Rather, he could be, but there are scummier things about. "

Who was speaking about clear? I asked, WHAT made you so touched by rdj's excellence? as I didn't notice any excellency and I requested you to clarify.

Capt h's #241 post indeed confirms my suspicion to Shadoweh as well. She is way to confident. Too confident. Keeps claiming UK is her twin from another dimension.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche


Maybe this will pull more defence on you. I am curious. What are you scum friends are going to do now? Either they will mass jump on capt h, to make it sure. But then the cover is most likely going to be blown. Or this is going to get dragged.

Also, Yonowaaru, Serp, Hanged Mokou. Funny that you three also remain silent suddenly. There is less than 15 hours left. What schemes are you planning behind the curtains?


Sunday mornings are best to be done with smooth Jazz music and a cup of Earl Gray tea.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 07:36:10 AM
@ Modco and Mod4u

My apologies for the double ##Unvote / ##Vote , That was not suppose to happen. I thought I removed that...   Happened during saving/repasting from/to notepad.

orz
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 10, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
It's called sleep. People need it to conserve their energy.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 08:57:30 AM
I would have believed that reason if there wasn't 24 hours difference between your #169 and #264 Unfortunate,

Code: [Select]
Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1) ? Reply #169 on: 09 April 2011, 10:18:14 ?
Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1) ? Reply #264 on: Today at 10:49:21 ?

Insert coin to retry please.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 08:59:06 AM
Sunday mornings are best to be done with smooth Jazz music and a cup of Earl Gray tea.

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
While I'm here, let's update the opinions.

Dormio: Still looking town. :D

NeoSerela: Hey, look, content!
Pity it's just jumping onto the capt. h wagon.
Wonder if there's a running theme with the RVS bandwagon-ing.

Shadoweh: Since apparently my case on her seems to be invalid, dropping it for now.

Hanged Hourai: I'm not getting any scummy vibes from him right now, so yeah.

capt. h: Derpscum? I think so.
He's looking slightly better now that he's been forced out of role/game speculation but I'm still not completely convinced.

Uncertain Kitten: Like Hanged Hourai, not really getting any scummy vibes.

Bardiche: There was that thing at the beginning with the whole role thing, but role paranoia aside, I don't see anything that scummy from him.

Zakeri: As said before, he basically OMGUS votes UK.
He then proceeds to give up on his case and leave his vote nowhere.
And he hasn't really done anything else.

rdj: Gave his motivational speech that swayed Bardiche so.
He's on the road to picking up his act, a changed man.
At this point, he looks fairly good to me.

Conqueror: Doesn't look that bad right now.

Serpentarius: Low activity.
Mentions Bardiche as scummy, "blips my scumdar", but never refers to him again in any of his next 3(!!!) posts.
Also, don't really like his comment about "defending Helepolis in detail", can't he do that himself?

Helepolis: Trying to recreate the wall surrounding the SDM here or something.
I like how he's looking indepth into the votes, after all nobody else is doing it, and his latest posts address the issue of not looking at the other things.

Yonowaaru: Random votes me, keeps the vote on me on the basis that I am "kinda acting weirdly" and that Bardiche seems over reactive.
Says he'll post more thoroughly later, this was over 24 hours ago.
Since then he's made one post which had no content whatsoever.
Looks bad man.

So, what to make of all this?

Looking town: Dormio, Shadoweh, Hanged Hourai, Uncertain Kitten, Bardiche, rdj, Conqueror, Helepolis.

Looking not-so-town: NeoSerela, capt. h, Zakeri, Serpentarius, Yonowaaru.

Also, whilst I will be here for ~5 4.5 4 3.75 more hours, I won't be around when the day ends.
It ends at 7am for me and I have to leave for uni by 8 so yeah. :/

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 10:46:44 AM
Huh, what?
How did I miss Schezo?

Schezo: So the fact that I missed him isn't all that good.
He's made less posts so far than Serpentarius (1x RVS, 1x one liner, 2x somewhat longer posts) and hasn't really said anything on those that aren't Helepolis, capt. h or Zakeri.
He dropped his case on Helepolis, went from not acknowledging Zakeri's existence in his first post to wanting him dead in his second, and appears to be tunnelling on capt. h.

Looking town: Dormio, Shadoweh, Hanged Hourai, , Uncertain Kitten, Bardiche, rdj, Conqueror, Helepolis.

Looking not-so-town: NeoSerela, Schezo, capt. h, Zakeri, Serpentarius, Yonowaaru.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 11:09:40 AM
You know... I have been thinking about the distribution since the start of the game. Modco said: "informed minority". A minority implies there is logically no 50/50 (7-7) distribution. It is either between 60/40 (8-6) or 75/25 (10-4). 

I am asuming the number of scum is between 4 and 6. God knows what Modco and Kitten4Mod decided, but they are not going to give the Townies extreme majority such as 11 - 3. They could, which obviously would make Townies lynching eachother faster. On the other hand, they are not going to put 6 scums in the game because that would make the lynching extremely fast for the scum side. Even in the basic example of Mafia the distribution was 70-30 (7 Townie, 2 Scums). I am suspecting 5 scums in this game (9-5).

If I had to fill out those numbers right now I would possibly say:
Shadoweh - Dodging my main concern #262 (see post my vote on Capt h, probably benefits her just as much as I would have voted on Zakeri. However, now that my vote is gone. I wonder what she is going to do.
Bardiche - Similar to Shadoweh, jumps the gun as explain in #262. The only thing left for him to do is change his vote. As he knows his vote on my is useless now.

Leaving 3 more scums which I currently am watching carefully.

Just like Serp, Rdj's activity has dropped. All of a sudden. And Bardiche was enlighted by him. A possible link could exist between Rdj and Bardiche, fake play. Rdj is also sticking to Capt h still with a reason which is no longer valid in my eyes. He voted on Capt.h in #138 for this reason:
Quote from: Rdj
As for finding another case, I'm interested in capt. h. Not only is his vote jumping from person to person, but he's also recommended that Helepolis stop lurking by doing exactly what caused Bardiche to vote me. Perhaps he's trying to draw attention away from himself? Seems rather scummy to me.

"Find a case" sounds like to me non-grounded reason. Oh boy, when I look back at this post it is making NO SENSE.

Bardiche fails to explain himself for the heavy defense and tempered behaviour. His scum buddies won't do it for now, it is too critical. And Rdj has been silent since. Leaves 1 more suspect to be detected for my own "theory"

Now... who could that be...


/me sips his tea and keeps staring at his paper while gently ticking his pencil against his cheek.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 11:11:37 AM
orz fail counting.

Line 11: "Leaves 1 more suspect to be detected for my own "theory" " <---  should been --> Leaves 3 more suspect to be detected for my own "theory"
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 11:13:23 AM
You know what, I'm going to leave my vote on Zakeri for now.

##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 10, 2011, 11:36:08 AM
Well then, now for my big post.


-The first page is completely and utterly bollux, and will be treated as such..


-First, Helepolis. I can see misreading a post or similar, but not voting isn't really scum imo. I haven't really been very active because I don't usually play mafia on forums, I usually play on epicmafia. And then again, I'm not very active in those games either.


-Zakeri also does this, so I guess it's kinda normal? I don't really see the reasoning behind it, but okay.


-Captain H, the big scum favourite. Unvoting and voting someone for no reason like it was no thing. I don't get why he posted what he posted. Voting randomly is just as normal as voting for a joke reason. Perhaps I had a reason but I didn't post it? Think before you act, right? If I hadn't posted, he wouldn't have reacted... He also sheeped the vote on UK, because he was bored.... ehh


-Shadoweh. Seems pretty protown so far. Though, she randomly doesn't want to give her opinion on me and gave some pointless points.


-Then, the Bard. He's just being plain scummy. Honestly, I find policy lynching stupid. He does have a point that there wasn't a lot of serious stuff yet, but still... He's also fine with trusting someone else and randomly lynching someone. He's not doing anything helpful and instead speaking nonsense. I don't think he's scum tho, he's too stupid.


-Dormio seems pretty protown too.


-UK seems normal, too. I kinda agree we should kill people who aren't contributing, I'm sorry about my non-contributement. He/She has a point on Hele, too.


-RDJ is.. odd. Just switching from serious mode to joke mode is confusing. He/She's voting Dormio for no real reason, too. Does have some points in reply 75, tho.


-Conqueror... I don't get at all why he's selfvoting, or why Bardiche is following him. 


Eeh, I'm not sure. This'll be my vote for now..


##unvote
##Vote capt. h
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
-Conqueror... I don't get at all why he's selfvoting, or why Bardiche is following him. 
That changed over 100 posts ago. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597598.html#msg597598)
If you were paying attention, you may have noticed that Conqueror's vote is now on Zakeri.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 11:45:42 AM
Also, rdj changed his vote to capt. h and it would be nice if you provided reasoning for your lovely insight.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 10, 2011, 11:53:49 AM
Yeah, I started at the second page and just gave an initial impression. I'll give a more recent view when I return from my cycling trip.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
So you mean, like.. tomorrow? Thanks for being useful.
We are running out of time to boot someone off Town Island. No lynches, still bad. I imagine we can't just skip the night and the nightkill, so let's get on something in the now department. I'm not convinced by capt.h yet, but there are soooo many of you I want to vote. Still surrounded by zombies.

Helepolis: I didn't know confidence was a scum trait. Your numbers are way off by the way, I imagine there's three scum and maybe a third party. Townies die in flashes in the night and need their majority. If you glance over previous mafia games you will get a better idea of the numbers.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 12:22:30 PM
@Shadoweh, 

I don't remember claiming confidence is a scumtrait. Funny, In #269, I marked you as possible scum because you keep dodging why you started defending with the others Bardiche. Nothing convincing has been said for me to stop suspecting you or Bardiche.

About the numbers > You don't say? My numbers were just assumptions and guessing. It is my own personal viewpoint on the case. I think I am allowed to do that for myself and possible other Townies who can use it as a mind-set. A third party? For a nightless setup it sounds way too unreal.

Though I appreciate you pointing me to check previous Mafia game for numbers. I'll do that.

Quote from: Yonowaaru
-First, Helepolis. I can see misreading a post or similar, but not voting isn't really scum imo. I haven't really been very active because I don't usually play mafia on forums, I usually play on epicmafia. And then again, I'm not very active in those games either.
I don't remember asking for your personal leisure time. I was asking your clarification on why you are so quiet.

Quote from: Yonowaaru
-Captain H, the big scum favourite. Unvoting and voting someone for no reason like it was no thing. I don't get why he posted what he posted. Voting randomly is just as normal as voting for a joke reason. Perhaps I had a reason but I didn't post it? Think before you act, right? If I hadn't posted, he wouldn't have reacted... He also sheeped the vote on UK, because he was bored.... ehh
Interesting, have you noticed that Bardiche was doing the same thing for pretty lengthy period? Randomly voting until now with no solid reasoning? And still doing it randomly. Have you noticed his last vote is on me? Sure you did.

Heh, I like how you carelessly  threw an excuse in #264, burning yourself first and now coming up with this post. We are almost ending Day 1 and this is all you have to say.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:37:37 PM
Case? On you? You probably missed it in my post. I didn't had a case. Funny how you suddenly pull that out.

I'm going to say this as nice as I can.

You want to vote either Shadoweh or me, as you declared. Yet you didn't have a case on me at all? What? Why would you vote someone you don't have a set of arguments on to justify it?

Quote
So yea, Bardiche. You might want to explain why you are in fact being defended?

... Okay, uh, what? Do you honestly want me to explain the actions of others? What? How can you possibly, I-- grugh. What?

This is the most terrible OMGUS attack I have ever seen.

OK, so Helepolis has stopped playing the game and is just playing something else. I'm not quite sure what it is yet. Apparently I'm scum because I can't explain the actions of others, and because he doesn't understand why he's being voted! Is this bogus to anyone else? Because it's sure bogus to me!

Helepolis, how do your actions make sense? How am I supposed to explain why Person X is protecting me when I have no clue what Person X is thinking? Why are you seriously engaging this as a serious...

Yeah, sod it, I'm going to ignore you until you make sense.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 12:42:57 PM
Which means I'm also not going to leave my vote on you because maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you just put yourself from "scummy" to "whoah what is going on in this thread derrrrrp".

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


Not willing to swap to capt h because I like the observation he made with UK and want to see more of them.

Yonowaruu should read posts more clearly, I think only Shadoweh has. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 10, 2011, 12:55:49 PM
Just like Serp, Rdj's activity has dropped. All of a sudden.

As mentioned before, I've got a take-home physics midterm to work on this weekend.

I've got some 45 minutes before I leave for family shenanigans this morning; time to play catch-up.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 01:01:04 PM
I was expecting that rush post from you Bardiche. Let me sum it up again "nicely" for you as well. First of all, the double unvote/vote I made changes the post reading style. Ignore the first unvote/vote and continue to read
- You charged at me as if I had a case on you in #221. At that time, I didn't even had a vote on you back then only keeping eye. Another careless statement from you.
- #262, I quoted your #221 reply and explained I had no case on you but merely watching the bandwagon, mostly on Shadoweh's move in the upcoming hours. So again you did a careless statement
- In same #262 I pointed out you were talking nonsense and still not explaining - what - exactly was good about rdj's post.

Using that mind-set I did the unvote/vote at the end of the post just to see what the rest was going to do. Or in other words it suddenly became a case right after you failed to convince me.

Yea, go ahead you can ignore me from now on. Because you know your vote on me is useless. It was a  foolish grudge post to stir things up. And as expected, you changed your vote, confirming my statement. Now, you became another random voter and been doing it since the start.

Now tell me, which one of these is a OMGUS vote? And you cannot explain why person X is defending you? Guess why I am asking for it. Do you think that question was only pointed at you?

Wow, Bardiche. I wonder if you are going to change your vote to Capt. h next. Time is ticking and it is becoming critical for scums now.



Cut by Rdj.  But I will post this anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 01:05:52 PM
Not ignoring after all! :V

Read this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598064.html#msg598064), specific line;
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No, because I am going to change my vote to  either Bardiche or Shadoweh as soon as Shadoweh switches from capt h to Zakeri.

I assumed you said this because you had reason to vote me. Now you're saying you didn't. What? Why would you vote someone you are "just watching", or at least declare you're going to? Why at all were you telling Shadoweh, "If you do this, I will vote you. If not, I will vote Bard", which is an easy way for the scums to direct your vote?

And why would I grudge post in a Mafier game? Sorry, you're not UK, try again when you're her. (And even then I don't grudge her)

The vote on Zakeri has reasons I telegraphed way earlier and you really need to start reading.

Yes, I think that question was aimed only at me because it was prefaced with my name.

Quote
So yea, Bardiche. You might want to explain why you are in fact being defended?

"So yea, Bardiche". Am I to assume this was aimed at others?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Also, clearly, rdj's excellence is that he finally started playing the game proper and made a post with townie-intent.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Shadoweh
I'll write you something special if you do it nicely~
I don't want anything written from your dirty keyboard. :wat:

I was hoping that after my ragequit post, you would all vote for me, and I wouldn't have to play this stupid game anymore, but I guess scum you guys would rather keep your votes on someone who still intends to play, so I guess I'll just have to do that then.

First of all, stop tormenting Capt.H. I know, I can't claim to be an expert on "Things that happened last game." but the way he's acting is exactly the same. Yes, it's sad he hasn't exactly learned what scumhunting is all about, and it's also sad that it's in his nature to pick at every single detail, but...

Quote from: Shadoweh
Quote from: Capt H
Quote from: Shadoweh
I'm pretending to claim vig!
Shadoweh - Are you going to vig me tonight if I don't get lynched?
capt.h: Are you going to make a post that isn't fishing?
This is the very definition of trapping. You're actively using Capt.H's meta to get him to say stupid things just so you could punish him for saying stupid things.

Yes, I understand that you and bardiche are just having a ball, claiming five different rolepowers each, and attempting to lynch people for reasons that happened in other games, but if you are town, both of you STOP THIS NOW. I mean seriously. You are both actively getting in the way of people being able to read and understand you, and townies have no reason to do this. If you are town, STOP TRYING TO MISLEAD OTHER TOWNIES. I can't understand a damn thing about your intentions, and no one else can either judging from the fact that Capt H (And I) couldn't even find bard's actual case on me despite putting it right next to the vote. I literally though Bardiche was voting for me without even taking into account my play for this game. Seriously, I'd be willing to lynch both of you at this juncture even if I got cop investigations stating you were both town.

God damn, I though I spent all day cooling down over this, but every time I just look at Bardiche, Shadoweh, or UK, something just stirs up inside me. Something that's way bigger than actually catching scum. I am not having fun here, and I seriously wish I could even have the guts to just say I want to quit.

Well, since I'll only get lynched if I try to hunt scum (after all this game and last proved I don't get lynched when I stop.), If I were to go the logical route, I'd actually be targeting lurkers right now, starting with the more active ones. The reason for this is because we have competing town wagons, lead mostly by people who (supposedly) are town. Everyone that's been talking and arguing give off townie intent for me, so my current theory is that the scum are hiding in the shadows and riding the waves of the easy part of the game.

Dormio gets the eyebrow raise from me for pretty much just dropping in at random to give status updates. The only noteworthy posts, aside from the case he made on Shadoweh in post 172 are the general onion posts on everyone. The first list, in post 164 divided the town into "Townie" "Lurkers" and "potential people to make cases on later." Post 172 then further divided the groups into "Town" "People who are acting funny" and "Shadoweh." The second, more recent round in posts 267-268 are arguably worse. Dormio actually devolves into reporter style, and what even look like parroting the cases. I don't really see any active scumhunting here. What I see here is someone who's going "Posting many opinions is town and won't get me lynched." This isn't strictly scum intent, but I don't feel that there is any town intent coming from Dormio.
Dormio's case on Shadoweh might have been a point against this, but even when his case fell through, he just unvoted and switched to a bandwagon with such a carefree attitude.

Yonowaaru is just bad. He's been posting, so one would assume that he had been keeping up with the thread, but apparently not. He's literally giving first impression responses to things that happened on page three. Even if he's not scum, he should not be allowed into the late game.

Neoserela is very too little too late, but he's been gone for most of the day. I'll give him the benefit of a doubt for now.
Likewise with Serpentarius, who had a strong early day one, and then just kind of walked off the scene.

Hanged Hourai is the other person I think is likely scum. All I have written down for him are two posts of note, 112 where he votes Helepolis, and 181 where he continues to vote for Helepolis, and give weak prods and nudges to a bunch of other people. If you feel there's other stuff you said that I should remember, feel free to link it to me, but I doubt I missed anything on accident.

Schezo is obvscum. post 87 is an apology for not posting. Post 135 is a bandwagon oh, wow, it's actually the first vote on Capt H. Okay nevermind, that changes some things. It's not big enough to convince me he's town, since his 238 is still a few paragraph of things other people said about Capt H and myself, along with a waffle on Hele.

rdj is probably town.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 01:13:50 PM
I like how you keep revolving around one aspect of my post and very cute evading the rdj-enlightment-post (I will call it like that from now I think.)

Also, clearly, rdj's excellence is that he finally started playing the game proper and made a post with townie-intent.
Oh wait, you didn't evade it but came up with an excuse. I don't remember I was told the same when I started "playing" the game.

Please do continue this act. Eventually, your vote will change. Or perhaps your friends will manage to brainwash other people to clear your mistakes. It is one way or the other.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
ORZ forgot to add =.=  Above post was in reply to Bardiche,

cut by Zakeri during posting.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 01:18:31 PM
It's because you still haven't, Helepolis. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 01:27:14 PM
This fight is interesting and all Helepolis but deadlines, we have them. Please pick a wagon and get on it. We have alot less time then it looks like if our twilight time comes from our day time. Hint Bard is not a wagon.

Zak: If only for the sake of your sanity I will tell you I'm not doing this to aggravate you and that I can't stop. Please keep playing. I'm not trying to trap capt.h, I literally just want him to play town vs scum instead of cowboys vs indians, which he made a post doing. I have no idea why you're accusing me of this last game argument. I thought capt.h was town all last game. I haven't felt that way today. So who do you want to bandwagon today?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 01:31:16 PM
I just realized you made that entire post without voting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


So who do you want lynched today?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
~*Myself*~

But honestly, I'd probably be voting Schezo now if the town wasn't so set on lynching not-scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 01:37:56 PM
UK, ignore the fact that he's making these points on you for a minute. Do you still think he's scum reading his last few posts?

Not sure. I'm feeling a lot of too little, too late, really. It's desperate. It looks good on the surface but most of his points...really don't make a lot of sense. To be fair, he's slightly less scummy than Zakeri now, though.

@Hele 262: No, it would have been entirely possible. Secondly, Bamboo Forest Mafia for scum getting their buddy lynched D1. Thirdly, pretty cute how you're defending both Zak AND Capt. h.
On what grounds?

Fourthly, how is confidence scummy at all, regarding Shadoweh?

And finally...actually, let's see what Bard does himself, this should be interesting.

@Yonowaaru 264: It was cute for the first 48 hours. But now you're going to have to actually produce something! Isn't that exciting!? No, seriously, put up or die.

@Hele 269: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Um, Helepolis, mafia has a VERY small minority in most cases. In a game of this size, you'll find there are only three or four mafia. Generally the distribution is 25% to 33% of players. 13 is weird in that it's usually 3 despite being below 25%. With 14, I'd lean 4 mafia. It's kind of also in the awkward spot. As for "extreme majority", 11-3 is actually a lot harder than you think.

Anyway, not much to explain in your wall except that I'll bring up why I didn't question Serp on defending you. As I said a few posts before that, I had a strong feeling you were town. Therefore an offer to defend you didn't seem as remiss. Contrary to popular belief, defending someone isn't scummy, it's just not necessarily the most town thing you can do. At best it's anti town. It can become scummy if flips are involved, depending on the nature of the defense.

@Yono 272: Hmm...where to start. First, how are you familiar with us? I thought this was your first game, yet you seem to be using meta, or trying to. Secondly, your entire post smells of eggos and non opinionation, I am disappointed. Rather than one big post on some...random players in the game, could you give me a decent post on your scum suspects and why, linking questionable behavior?

Bard 278 was about what I expected.

Zak 284: This is what I'd been hoping to see from you all game. Hell, that puts you back better than capt. h. Dare I say you actually seem town now? I apologize for frustrating you, by the way. I over reacted to what I perceived as a bad case on me. I'll try to not be so...irritating in the future. Though, for clearing Capt. H. on last game grounds, you did miss that Dormio also acts about the same way, or did last game.

@Bard 287: What do you think of the new improved Zakeri that actually has opinions on not UKs?

The Bard/Hele slap fight is likely frustrating town town. I'd appreciate it if you two could stop it and hunt scum, but I'm sure that won't happen.

@Shadoweh ??? (i.e. cut): ...oh, hey, you're right, he did completely fail to vote. Dammit Zak I thought you were cool :(

##Unvote, Vote Zakeri

@Zak cut: Wait, what? Why? Wouldn't it be better to just ask for a replacement?

Ugh, I don't even know anymore. I hate to say it but I think Zak is just defeated town. I don't want to lynch him anymore. That leaves Capt. h. who I'm perfectly fine lynching.

##Unvote, Vote Capt. H.

Zak, is there anything I can do to not make this game unfun for you?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 01:42:03 PM
A fight? Why no  Miss Shadoweh and Miss Kitten. Bardiche just remains slipping with every post he makes because he is a a random voter with poor reasoning. Just like you refusing to answer my posts and questions as well.

Pick a wagon and get on it? I don't remember asking for such advise. Especially, after I explained clearly in my reply #281?  Start scum hunting? --> see reply #281 and my previous ones for your answer.

Bardiche refueled Zakeri wagon with again no reason (random vote). Especially when the wagon stalled and switched to Capt H for very odd and unusual reasons. Most likely the only move left for him to because desperate.

Quote from: Bardiche
Not willing to swap to capt h because I like the observation he made with UK and want to see more of them.
It is just like Zakeri said, you and Bardiche are surely actively getting in the way of the Town. I just hope the Town people wake up and do something about this.



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 01:44:58 PM
Um...did you ask me questions, Hele? I must have missed them. Feel free to reiterate them.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
Um...did you ask me questions, Hele? I must have missed them. Feel free to reiterate them.
No I am sorry, that part was aimed at Shadoweh. You already answered my questions. I got nothing else to ask you.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 10, 2011, 01:50:53 PM
@ Hanged Mokou #192: As of now, capt. h, but given all the content since this post was made, that may change.

@ capt. h #196: I thought "contractors might be town" was a given?

@ Zakeri #207: Even if you can't "forgive a case that's this bad", ignoring the rest of the game to pursue said case isn't helping anyone. Also, why not vote for anyone else? (cue cries of "but you did that too!", etc.)

@ Helepolis #211: I'm rather confused about what "excellence" Bardiche was talking about, too, but I didn't get the impression he was clearing me. Also, I don't think Serp's and Bardiche's votes on Zakeri were related to whatever "excellence" this was, but rather Zakeri's tunnel-vision on UK.

@ capt. h #214: Uh...Bardiche DOES have a case on Zakeri, though.

@ Shadoweh #216: More roleplay shenanigans. Not quite sure what to think of this.

@ capt. h #217: More vote hopping! And you're hopping onto a lurker to boot. You're really not making yourself look good right now.

@ Bardiche #221: I actually hadn't noticed that in Hele's post. That seems to give a different meaning to what his words imply... FoS: Helepolis

@ Dormio #228: I don't see that implied in Shadoweh's post. She does say that she'd consider voting him if he doesn't make a new case. Could be an oversight, could be a misrep; I'm not sure.

@ capt. h #241: Didn't you say earlier that there could be town contractors? Assuming that is the case, why would you have to kill off town contractors in order to fulfill your win condition? I don't really believe your roleclaim, though I do agree that UK is getting a bit aggravated.

@ capt. h #252: Again, Zakeri's tunneling caused him to ignore the rest of the game, with the exception of the Bard x Shadoweh bit, which I see as more of a joke than anything. With what's happened with you and Zakeri so far, UK pushing for both wagons is understandable. I don't see how wanting scummy-looking players dead is scummy.

@ Helepolis #262: I'm pretty sure that Shadoweh calling UK her extradimensional twin has nothing to do with this game. Also, as mentioned before, Bardiche does have a case on Zakeri that is quite valid.

@ Helepolis #269: If the spread was 8-6, it would be MYLO already, I believe. As for your suspicion of me, how can you say that my reason for voting capt. h makes no sense? At the time, that is what he was doing, and it seemed scummy to me. And just because people have similar reasoning for voting doesn't mean that they're all in cahoots; it may actually mean that their reasoning is valid!

@ Yonowaaru #272: Hey, welcome back. ...Several of your points are very outdated, as Dormio said right after your post; please quickly read the rest of the topic and repost?

@ Yonowaaru #275: ...Welp.

Up to this point, I am still okay with my vote being on capt. h, and Helepolis has become more suspicious to me. Yonowaaru isn't being very helpful. Zakeri...skimming over his post after my last one, I think he's just burnt out. Not sure whether he's town or scum; will try to read the rest before leaving and, if I can't, will try to post before day ends if there's time.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 01:57:24 PM
Helepolis: I'm not giving you advice. I'm telling you the town needs to get on someone around NOW o'clock, stop beating around the bush and lynch somebody. I'm on the verge of suggesting, I think it's called concordial voting, where everyone lists their three top scum pics and we just pick the one we all agree on, just because of how badly people are waffling right now. We have I think 7 hours which apparently includes night action time. In short we do not have as much time as you all think we do and make up your minds and VOTE SOMEONE WHO WILL GET LYNCHED.

UK my evil twin why you do dis. I don't believe in too little too late as an excuse to keep a wagon though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:21:55 PM
Well, I did tell you that his case is also bad. It doesn't really make sense. It relies first on the fact that both capt. h. and Zak are town, two things we do not know whatsoever. Then it somehow concludes I started the capt. h. wagon when...I didn't? Hell, I wasn't really on it til near the end, too busy pursuing Zak. It's not a good contribution at all, and it comes after more than 2 days of failure to be pro town. Why SHOULDN'T I vote capt. h.?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 02:26:51 PM
Miss Shadoweh, you are doing a good job at instilling haste in people. I am sure we are all aware of the time, except for the people sleeping due to time zones.

Quote from: Helepolis
What makes me wonder now the most is, why is Bardiche being heavily defended by Conqueror, Shadoweh and Bardiche himself. Also Serp has been quite silent to Capt h's  vote on Bardiche's.
Quote from: Helepolis
@Shadoweh, 
Funny, In #269, I marked you as possible scum because you keep dodging why you started defending with the others Bardiche. Nothing convincing has been said for me to stop suspecting you or Bardiche.
Let me ask you again for the (dunno how many times):  Why is Bardiche being defended for his terrible output and voting reasons.

And if you are going to come up with an excuse, better not slip like Bardiche.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 02:29:23 PM
Mmm. capt.h, I need you to clarify some of your points for me.Show me the proof that UK was involved in the start of your wagon, preferrably with a link to where this happened.You mean why I never stated the opinion that I thought Bardiche was town when you were asking me what my opinion of him was? I'm afraid I can't answer that question, but have pointed out that your statement is technically incorrect.Zak has made too many posts defending himself, that's the basis of their cases. However since he was defending himself from the subject of his case it can be seen in my mind as pro-town, but I can't determine that until he comes forth and lays out another case. What parts of his case did you find pro-town? Please specify.

If I had to mark down the location where my wagon really began, it was UK's posts #154, 157, and 160, followed by your vote on me. By the way, I apologize for earlier, I don't need to know anything more about Bard at this time, and I seem to have underestimated role shenanigans.

Anyway, my train began at around the time I began pressuring you about Bard, and you and Helepolis shifted your votes to me placing me at L-4.



That last statement is incorrect. Zak had only made one post defending himself at the time of your post, I checked his post history. The rest of his posts were his cases themselves.

post #207
 (http://link=topic=8870.msg597994#msg597994)

However, I should replace "town" with "relatively town". Zak's main case was on UK, and he made a lot of posts backing it up, referencing many of UK's previous posts in his case. Basically, he put a lot of thought and effort into making a case, which is more than I can say for most players.

@rdj - You don't need to.

@all other players - if you don't believe my roleclaim, you may want to stay silent. Vanilla townies would have reason to believe my claim, while players with powers would not.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 02:31:59 PM
EDIT: sorry, broken link. Here's post 207.

Only Scum would try to claim scumteams without any flips.
Seriously, Bardiche, stop being scum.

The reason my vote is still on UK is because of her case against me. It is not an OMGUS vote. I am voting scum for pushing bad cases. I am voting scum for pushing cases they themselves admit they don't even believe in. I thought I broke it down in my last post, but I guess it didn't work, so let's try again.

"So, on the one hand, I know that bad cases aren't scummy but..."
Okay, here, UK is saying she believes that the case she's about to pull on me is completely void.

"last time Zak made a bad case against me, he was scum."
Here, She completely backtracks her statement, on the assessment that because I did one thing one time when I was scum, that means that I'm theoretically always scum every time I do something that could even be called voting her for a "Bad" reason.

"Not to mention his complete failure to account for reality."
This is vague as hell, and it was added to make her case on me seem more valid than "What you're doing is not scum, but I'm going to vote you for it anyway."

If it was just her opinion post taken into account, I would have stepped off to look in other directions, but I can't forgive a case that's this bad. I've been impartial, unbiased, and even somewhat supportive of cases on me before when I realized they had good points, but this case is literally just UK trying to find a reason to start a counterbandwagon, and failing to find one at that.
This isn't how meta works. I do one thing once, and suddenly, every time I do something like it, I'm always going to be scum? What exactly makes you think it's not because I think your actions and cases are scummy? In fact, what makes other people think it's not because you might be scum?

...

*sigh*

Of course, with post 188, my original case on UK has completely been conceded, and logic is even going so far as to suggest she's town. This is highly frustrating, since all of my hate now has no place to go, and the best I could do to blow it off now is just calling her an idiot, which isn't useful at all to town, nor my own self-esteem. This absolutely kills my motivation, but whatever.

##Unvote: Uncertain Kitten

Cut: Man, I really don't feel like rereading, and even if I do, it feels like people aren't even voting me for things I did this game. UK's voted me for being scum last game, Bardiche and a few others are voting me for being lurkerscum last game. You guys are making real good cases for me not to play anymore. Basically, the only person who I would even let slide for my wagon is Serpentarius.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:36:28 PM
So, anyway, the main problem is not Zak's (erroneous) case on me, but the fact that he absolutely refused to give opinions on anyone not UK. That's not a pro town thing. Add to that his case isn't really that well researched, and capt. h. is essentially making things up. This is nothing new though.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:37:02 PM
EBWOP: Of course, because the general idea was the lack of trying and that was explained by Zak frustration, I'm not as hot on that wagon anymore.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
Helepolis: Besides falling for his charismatic smile you'll have to show me where I did this defending of Bard you keep bringing up. I'm positive that people are not taking into account that action time is getting cut directly from the day and treating it like we have 7 hours to take it easy in.

UK: That's a much more satisfying explanation of your reasoning. I will put to you my reasoning that Zak's case could be seen as a reprint of other people's motives, sounding better on the surface but really, isn't he just making a case on everyone and pursuing none of them?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 02:40:38 PM
As I said, his most recent post without the vote should be scummy. But honestly, I can see where he's giving up. I think his best move would be to request replacement, honestly. But if he's not going to, I'm not going to remain merciful if he proceeds to not be helpful.

I just understand that fatigue with the game fits fairly perfectly with his actions.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Voting
capt h(5): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten (L-3)
Zakeri(5): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, Bard, Shadoweh (L-3)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
UncertainKitten(1): capt h
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~6 hours remain. Once the hammer vote is down, no more voting or unvoting will be counted.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 02:48:54 PM
As I said, his most recent post without the vote should be scummy. But honestly, I can see where he's giving up. I think his best move would be to request replacement, honestly. But if he's not going to, I'm not going to remain merciful if he proceeds to not be helpful.

I just understand that fatigue with the game fits fairly perfectly with his actions.

Is fatigue a town quality? I mean, what's the difference between defeated town and defeated scum, and what about Zak's actions make you think he's defeated town as opposed to defeated scum? I ask mostly out of inexperience, but you were driving a case against him hard before he gave up.

I still think he's town, but I'd like to know why you changed your mind.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
Shadoweh ilu so much, can I touch you? :D
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
Shadoweh ilu so much, can I touch you? :D

Yes, I understand that you and bardiche are just having a ball, claiming five different rolepowers each, and attempting to lynch people for reasons that happened in other games, but if you are town, both of you STOP THIS NOW. I mean seriously. You are both actively getting in the way of people being able to read and understand you, and townies have no reason to do this. If you are town, STOP TRYING TO MISLEAD OTHER TOWNIES. I can't understand a damn thing about your intentions, and no one else can either judging from the fact that Capt H (And I) couldn't even find bard's actual case on me despite putting it right next to the vote. I literally though Bardiche was voting for me without even taking into account my play for this game. Seriously, I'd be willing to lynch both of you at this juncture even if I got cop investigations stating you were both town.

God damn, I though I spent all day cooling down over this, but every time I just look at Bardiche, Shadoweh, or UK, something just stirs up inside me. Something that's way bigger than actually catching scum. I am not having fun here, and I seriously wish I could even have the guts to just say I want to quit.

Basically Bard, please shut up.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
Basically capt h, no.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 03:00:53 PM
@capt. h.: A fair point. There's a sense of half assed trying in his latest post. Most of his observations don't really benefit scum, I feel. They feel pro active, but the lack of vote was an attempt to bait us because he gave up. It's hard to explain, it's just...I sense really irritated town from this. It's sort've how I felt like with you, except I try not to give up when I'm irritated.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 03:04:47 PM
Bard: Shh, what happens behind closed doors stays behind them. But sure why not. What do you think of Zak's post and is it enough to convince you to get back on capt.h?

UK: Same question as above but reversed, what do you think of capt.h's answers and are they good enough to switch?

I feel like I've regressed into mid-day UK. I'm happy to lynch either one of you with how helpful your votes are. THE OTHER ONE IS MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM THEN YOU ARE IF YOU ARE TOWN. CAN YOU AT LEAST GIVE SOME 'NOT ME' VOTES?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 03:05:30 PM
@capt. h.: A fair point. There's a sense of half assed trying in his latest post. Most of his observations don't really benefit scum, I feel. They feel pro active, but the lack of vote was an attempt to bait us because he gave up. It's hard to explain, it's just...I sense really irritated town from this. It's sort've how I felt like with you, except I try not to give up when I'm irritated.

I'd like to point out that scum probably wouldn't need to make any observations that benefit scum in thread. Usually scum have a quick topic where they can make all their observations. In fact, I usually use actions that make players look bad unnecessarily as evidence in their defense.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 03:08:06 PM
you'll have to show me where I did this defending of Bard you keep bringing up.
#129 You lecture Rdj regarding his vote on Bard. Advise him to find a "good case" and "stick with it".

What kind of sparked my curiosity while I just read back to Rdj's reply in #124. Rdj showed panic, same some strange things and then unvotes. Rdj later on claims he has some kind of case, mainly Capt H's  vote hop and aggression on me. Interesting, we just read Zakeri's explanation on Capt h's behaviour.

Thus successfully saving Bardiche. At that time, that early in game, there was no clearance Bardiche was clean however you acted as if Bardiche was clean. I call it defence.

Untill now, Rdj has not changed his vote, he is sticking purely to your "advise" Even after so many things have been discussed and seen. Rdj is not moving an inch. Schezo is doing the same either, but he hasn't replied yet today (Sunday). While Rdj did and his post contained nothing grounded except for the fact he is still voting because of Capt h, earlier actions. 

Quote from: Rdj
Up to this point, I am still okay with my vote being on capt. h
The summary you gave, did not added any new information of what was known.

Like I said, all Bardiche can hope for is the plan not failing as everything is left to the scums. He has suddenly backed off in silence or outputting "lulz" posts now, so he doesn't mess up the plan more. And now Shadoweh is asking why Bardiche isn't voting for Capt h.

I am curious what he has to say and what he will do.



Cut by 6 posts, but that doesn't change my initial post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
Shadoweh, this is filler. You know my stance on capt. h.'s answers. I've elucidated them several times. I've ALSO stated my stance on Zak. He's more or less likely to be town at this point. Why would I switch to Zak town, except MAYBE to secure a lynch over no lynch?

@Capt. h.: What I mean is his observations benefit town, which is bad for scum. And significantly so. Notice that VERY FEW PEOPLE have been pressuring the lurkers. And I think he seriously has a point on some of them. But it'd be one hell of a thing to get people to magically switch to them, and I personally think you're scum so I'm happy with my vote. But I expect tomorrow we'll want to fall on those lurkers like mad.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
Bard: Shh, what happens behind closed doors stays behind them. But sure why not. What do you think of Zak's post and is it enough to convince you to get back on capt.h?

Zakeri's post reads as defeatist. I'm not happy with a player who basically doesn't really want to play, but I can get on capt h just fine. His scumhunting has begun but it's Too Little Too Late.

##UNVOTE
##Vote: capt h


Also teehee~ Shadoweh-chan~


It's a dark, unsettling night. The rain outside beats against the windows as a man does his wife. Thunder crackles and roars. The world outside is frightening, and aggressive... but inside, there's only you and I. We're sitting on a couch. Your head is on my shoulder. Your beautiful eyes reflect your honesty and my love for you.

"Oh, Shadoweh," I mumble, running a finger through your lush hair. "What would I ever do without you?"

The room is lit up as thunder flashes outside. For a moment, I can see your brilliant face lit up as a sun. You're beautiful. And I love you. I move my hand up...

And...

##Touch: Shadoweh, stroking your warm, apple-like cheeks.

"I love you."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
Zakeri's post reads as defeatist. I'm not happy with a player who basically doesn't really want to play, but I can get on capt h just fine. His scumhunting has begun but it's Too Little Too Late.

##UNVOTE
##Vote: capt h


Also teehee~ Shadoweh-chan~


It's a dark, unsettling night. The rain outside beats against the windows as a man does his wife. Thunder crackles and roars. The world outside is frightening, and aggressive... but inside, there's only you and I. We're sitting on a couch. Your head is on my shoulder. Your beautiful eyes reflect your honesty and my love for you.

"Oh, Shadoweh," I mumble, running a finger through your lush hair. "What would I ever do without you?"

The room is lit up as thunder flashes outside. For a moment, I can see your brilliant face lit up as a sun. You're beautiful. And I love you. I move my hand up...

And...

##Touch: Shadoweh, stroking your warm, apple-like cheeks.

"I love you."

**** you, **** you, **** you, **** you, **** you.  >:( :flamingv: >:( :flamingv: >:( :flamingv: >:( :flamingv: >:( :flamingv: >:( :flamingv:


I don't care anymore. I'll vote Zak if only to secure the lynch, but I really, really want you dead to end the nonsense. It's annoying as hell, and it's breaking my ability to scum hunt. If you aren't scum, then I really hope you get NK'd. Or vigged. or commit sepuku. Or get mod killed. I don't care, whatever it takes to make this circus stop.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
He is not going to get NK Capt h. As expected, he changed his vote again to exactly as I expected.

Soon Shadoweh will do the same making it 7 votes, with the excuse of securing a Lynch and hinted Bardiche. Now it comes to this: Either all scums are already voting for you or there is 1 AFK/Sleeping momentary.

The trap is already set, matter of time for the 8th to join. I am not going to be that person. There is one option left,  Serp , Conqueror, Dormio , Hanged Hourai, Zakeri and you to change voting to Bardiche to make it 8 vs 7. Though if that happens, If Bardiche is a townie, I will take full responsibility for that.

However, that is not going to happen because Shadoweh is pushing people to vote. So it will be a boring conclusion with no thrill.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 03:26:54 PM
He is not going to get NK Capt h. As expected, he changed his vote again to exactly as I expected.

Soon Shadoweh will do the same making it 7 votes, with the excuse of securing a Lynch and hinted Bardiche. Now it comes to this: Either all scums are already voting for you or there is 1 AFK/Sleeping momentary.

The trap is already set, matter of time for the 8th to join. I am not going to be that person. There is one option left,  Serp , Conqueror, Dormio , Hanged Hourai, Zakeri and you to change voting to Bardiche to make it 8 vs 7. Though if that happens, If Bardiche is a townie, I will take full responsibility for that.

However, that is not going to happen because Shadoweh is pushing people to vote. So it will be a boring conclusion with no thrill.

You know what? Fine. If nothing else, killing one of them will end this charade. And Bard is the scummier of the two.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
So, I'm confused. I only see two votes on Bard including capt. h.'s

Are you seriously planning to make this a wagon out of nowhere?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 03:31:44 PM
#129 You lecture Rdj regarding his vote on Bard. Advise him to find a "good case" and "stick with it".
This isn't true and you should be ashamed for this. rdj wasn't even voting Bard anymore when I made that post. My lecture had nothing to do with Bard and everything to do with encouraging rdj, who I saw as a new player confused with what to do, not to sit back unvoted and instead make a new case that he believes in.

UK, your post stating your opinion wasn't there the first time I tried to post that. I blame the internet. :fail: I can't say I'm satisfied with Zak's post even if I agree with the lurker sentiments. I seriously hope he plans to pick things up Day 2 if he makes it there. capt.h I still feel is close enough to scum to vote for. If you do get lynched as town I advise next game to play more like your later day self early on.

##Unvote
##Vote: capt.h


If I can't make rereads without turning red this is going to be a very long game for me.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 03:35:58 PM
So, I'm confused. I only see two votes on Bard including capt. h.'s

Are you seriously planning to make this a wagon out of nowhere?

So, I'm confused. I only see two votes on Bard including capt. h.'s

Are you seriously planning to make this a wagon out of nowhere?

Sure, why not. Anything to make Bard stop it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Soon Shadoweh will do the same making it 7 votes, with the excuse of securing a Lynch and hinted Bardiche. Now it comes to this: Either all scums are already voting for you or there is 1 AFK/Sleeping momentary.
Oh mai gawd how did you guess that Shadoweh who is manicing around trying to secure a lynch voted with the excuse of securing a lynch! You must be psychic!

You are assigning scum motives to things town needs to do to win the game. Refusing to secure a lynch because someone you don't know the alignment of might be town is not a pro-town action.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 10, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
Regarding "defending Helepolis in detail," this is why you should only quote complete sentences, folks.  I said I'd defend Helepolis if I still thought he was town and he was the main alternative to someone I wanted to lynch.  In such a situation, you need to defend the alternative lynch candidate in order to have a better chance of seeing your preferred target lynched.  That's basic townie strategy.

UK, you didn't answer my question in my post #201.  I basically asked what changed between your post #160, where you didn't like capt. h's methods but still seemed to be satisfied with his answers, and your post #187 where you said that capt. h wasn't answering your questions.  All in all, I don't really buy the sincerity of your case on capt. h.  Looks more like you're punishing him for playing horribly, and you're as conscious as anyone of how stupid it is of MotK town to punish newbie play with lynches.  It makes you look scummy, in my estimation.

I'm not really getting a town vibe from Zakeri's recent posts, either.  Seems like he's laying the appeal to emotion on a bit thick.  There are opinions there, but the lack of a vote so late in the day would be fitting for a scum in trouble who wants to obfuscate a lot without actually giving the town anything to go on.  Zakeri remains my preferred case.

As far as capt. h goes, I'm not saying that his play gives me a town vibe by any means, but I don't see scum intent there.  Some of his play is anti-town and pro-scum, but it all follows logically enough from the somewhat skewed viewpoints he's claiming.  I suppose I'm saying that his play isn't any more scummy than bad play inherently is by itself, and bad play is less of a scumtell in newbies who have every reason to play badly.

Wrote this as of #310, I see I'm being cut but my computer's dying so I need to get this out there.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 03:40:13 PM
That's nice, and I must have missed the question. Though I'm PRETTY sure I DID answer it, thinking on it. I said several times that his little "There is no certainty in mafia" post was the straw that broke the camel's back. It made me realize just how much he was evading questions and not scumhunting. I said this several times. So...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 03:42:22 PM
This isn't true and you should be ashamed for this. rdj wasn't even voting Bard anymore when I made that post.
Eh, I know that. He unvoted in panic. And then you lectured him.

My lecture had nothing to do with Bard and everything to do with encouraging rdj, who I saw as a new player confused with what to do, not to sit back unvoted and instead make a new case that he believes in.
Rdj does not believe in anything. He has been ordered and isn't moving an inch for that reason. You declared Bardiche clean for no reason.

So, I'm confused. I only see two votes on Bard including capt. h.'s

Are you seriously planning to make this a wagon out of nowhere?
It is not out of nowhere. You asked me many times to scumhunt right? Like you have been doing on everybody. I explained clearly before my vote and analysis. So here is your scumhunt. I thought that was obvious from my serious posts.

Quote from: Shadoweh
Oh mai gawd how did you guess that Shadoweh who is manicing around trying to secure a lynch voted with the excuse of securing a lynch! You must be psychic!
No madame, not physic. It was the obvious left to clean up Bardiche's mess. Either quickly jump over, or stay at the useless double wagon. Zakeri is no longer a wagon. Another failure.


So yea, either all scums are in vote now, or one is waiting.



Cut by Capt h , Shadoweh and Serp but not changing the initial vote.



OT: Excuse me for dinner now. Miss Izayoi is throwing knives at me.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
I HAVE NEVER DECLARED BARD WAS CLEAN. STOP TELLING ME WHAT MY VIEWPOINTS ARE. If I have actually said "Bardiche is town do not lynch him" somewhere then by all means, show me where I did that! I have not. Your paranoia involving your scum team theory is stopping you from looking at the actions of individual players and judging them by their individual actions. If you're town you need to stop thinking in groups.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 03:58:26 PM
I HAVE NEVER DECLARED BARD WAS CLEAN. STOP TELLING ME WHAT MY VIEWPOINTS ARE. If I have actually said "Bardiche is town do not lynch him" somewhere then by all means, show me where I did that! I have not. Your paranoia involving your scum team theory is stopping you from looking at the actions of individual players and judging them by their individual actions. If you're town you need to stop thinking in groups.
Oh my, sudden screaming. Perhaps you did not read it #313 carefully. I used the word "declare" but it was obviously your actions causing it.

Strange, you demand me to show where you defended Bardiche, I do it in #313. You come up with lousy excuse. Then I explained clearly the case of Rdj's strange behaviour for that excuse.

Basically, I wouldn't be surprised you are just as scum as Bardiche. But Bardiche slipped, you didn't until now.

So now what?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 10, 2011, 03:58:27 PM
That's nice, and I must have missed the question. Though I'm PRETTY sure I DID answer it, thinking on it. I said several times that his little "There is no certainty in mafia" post was the straw that broke the camel's back. It made me realize just how much he was evading questions and not scumhunting. I said this several times. So...

An annoying line, sure, but you weren't asking him a question, and he didn't give a dodgy answer.  You were just telling him how he should scumhunt, and he made a non sequitur comment justifying his methods.  His answers to your previous questions were poor, but they were complete, and I'm having a hard time seeing how you'd read them as evasive.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:00:40 PM
Maybe my memory is off? It still remains that I can't remember one solid stance he's made until one page ago. And he spent a LOT of time rolefishing/dithering on Shadoweh/Bard for no purpose.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:03:58 PM
Strange, you demand me to show where you defended Bardiche, I do it in #313. You come up with lousy excuse. Then I explained clearly the case of Rdj's strange behaviour for that excuse.
So that part where your accusation is outright wrong is a poor excuse? Lovely. If there's one thing I regret from today it's ever moving off of your wagon.

capt.h, if it's not condusive to your scumhunting just consider it nulltells and ignore it. Voting out of frustration will not find us the scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 04:05:02 PM
Voting
capt h(7): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh (L-1)
Zakeri(3): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio(L-3)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(2): Helepolis, capt H

Not voting
Zakeri

capt H is at L-1
14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~5 hours remain. Once the hammer vote is down, no more voting or unvoting will be counted.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
Lovely. If there's one thing I regret from today it's ever moving off of your wagon.
My life will be most likely taken by kill by the scums. Mainly, for giving them this much trouble. So scums don't need to bandwagon me. You had the chance to bandwagon me.

@ Miss UncertainKitten, this might be perhaps unusual but:

What do you think of my story and theory. What do you think of Bardiche's obvious move to hop again from me to Zakeri, then to Capt h as Shadoweh indirectly asked it? Explain your own view on the Double Bandwagon of Zakeri + Capt h, becoming a single wagon now.

I haven't heard you about it yet. So I guess that is a question to you now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:12:15 PM
Hele: Well, the wagons moving is something you can generally expect. You eventually need to find a lynch. After we have flips, it's going to be VERY good for VCA because of how close and how long the wagons ran. There's a lot of motivation to mine once you figure out where a couple people stand.

To be honest, I'm pretty sure Bard and Shadoweh are Shenanigans town, and that while VCA is a good idea, you can't pull anything from it without flips. You don't know how the wagons will flip, or how the people on the wagon are flipping. Basically, it's threatening to scum, but only when it can be used effectively. I probably shouldn't have encouraged it, though I thought I was clear in my initial post that VCA is good later in the game. Anyway, the "vote hopping" seems to be the normal end day scramble to get a lynch.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 04:13:39 PM
So that part where your accusation is outright wrong is a poor excuse? Lovely. If there's one thing I regret from today it's ever moving off of your wagon.

capt.h, if it's not condusive to your scumhunting just consider it nulltells and ignore it. Voting out of frustration will not find us the scum.

Bard and your outbursts have become a bit of a berzerk button (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BerzerkButton) for me. Sorry about that.

Here's my "not me" vote.

##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 04:18:47 PM
Vote hopping is normal at the end of the day you say, but not with the reasons I gave. Bardiche did not vote-hop in randomness. He was ordered to vote-hop as well.

Shenanigans towns, Bardiche and Shadoweh? No way, not after the double failure they both put up. And I am not really satisfied with your answer. While you answered the wagoning, you did not answer my theory/story on Bardiche and Rdj's case and how Shadoweh is being pushy.

Don't tell me time is slim, people make such obvious moves. Have you seen me making such move? No, because I am being crystal clear. And not like Rdj being ordered to vote on something and "stick" with that.

The thing here is, I am suspecting all four scums are in vote already. It is just a matter of who is going to believe the scums to vote for Capt h. Or are they going to vote for Bardiche.


So tell me Miss UncertainKitten, What do you think of my case?

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
I think it's wrong. I've said that. rdj did make a post that improved upon prior posts. Bard responded to it. Shadoweh and Bard might have a connection that's not scum motivated. Those do exist you know, Hele. Once I see some flips I'll re examine the situation. But most of your case is dependent on people flipping town, far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
I see Capt H. has removed his vote and put on Zakeri. Even if Hourai, me voted for Zakeri, it would be only 6. Meaning 2 need to switch from Capt h to Zakeri. Scum is trying so hard atm to finish Capt h. But they could simply get 2 kills in their favour as well.

Wrong? Miss UncertainKitten, You and me both know there won't be any flips from now on. Re examining will be too late.

Only way to prevent Scum from having their favour, is getting rid of Bardiche. His silence is being awesome now. He isn't even trying to convince me any more, because he can't. He doesn't have the skills to do that. That is why he is dependant on people like Shadoweh, and maybe even you.



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
There...won't be any flips from now on? What are you talking about? I'm talking cardflips. As in alignment reveals. When someone dies. I think this might explain our issue.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
Regardless of Bard's alignment I seriously doubt the scum team will roll over and die without him..
*looks over the last two games*
Well maybe you're right but that's still a silly statement. There are enough of us here to swing the wagon back to Zak if people are on board with that. Not you of course. You'd rather make posts that sound like we should jump back onto Zak from capt.h instead of voting either way.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
@Helepolis

Bard and Shadoweh clearly have a connection. They're playing lovers. According to the wiki, the lover is a role with private communication powers where if one of them dies, the other one will as well.

I don't think that's the way they're linked like that though, because Pesco would have to be really cruel to place posting restrictions on top of a 3rd party role.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
You know, you were almost cool capt. h! But then you went back to the rolllllleeeeeeeeeee fishing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 04:37:12 PM
You know, you were almost cool capt. h! But then you went back to the rolllllleeeeeeeeeee fishing.

Role fishing is when I ask. No. I'm telling you what I think.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:39:03 PM
Right, so anyways.
Hele, for the love of all that is town, stop pretending holding out for a lynch that will never come is town and secure our lynch for today before scum are the only ones who get to do anything tonight.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
Right, so anyways.
Hele, for the love of all that is town, stop pretending holding out for a lynch that will never come is town and secure our lynch for today before scum are the only ones who get to do anything tonight.

You know, I would honestly rather die than stomache another day of Shadoweh x Bard, so I'm just going to tell scum that I think Shadoweh has a vig in the hope that she dies tonight and ask that any scum not yet voting just vote for me so that we have some voting data to analyze.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 04:46:07 PM
@ UK >> Well connection or not. UK and Shadoweh are trying hard to protect Rdj and Bardiche.

@ Capt h >> you do realise that there is a still a majority on your head. 8th Lynch basically means it is going to end immediately. 7 votes on your head means Scums just have to delay it.

@ Shadoweh, hold off what? For the love of that is Town? I am more and more convinced all 4 scums are voting for Capt h's head. The scums have the upper hand of either end it now with one Townie making a mistake, or simply wait. Almost like a win-win for the scums.

And I really hope the Townies wake up from this trap. The problem is, Yonowaaru is still doing nothing. Not talking, not clarifying nothing. I like how I was being burned extremely by majority of the players for being useless but yea, obviously it is in favour of the people. Easy lynch for them. NeoSerela and Shezo are also like doing nothing.

Well, I am still waiting for Serp Shezo, Mokou and Serela's posts. I am curious.



Cut by 3 people, Shadoweh, UK and Capt, but is not affecting my initial post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 04:49:38 PM
Eh, not too hard. Bard and rdj are big boys that can defend themselves. You asked my opinion and I gave it. They're posting fine.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
@ Capt h >> you do realise that there is a still a majority on your head. 8th Lynch basically means it is going to end immediately. 7 votes on your head means Scums just have to delay it.
Do you not understand that YOU currently look like the scum trying to delay the lynch? If we as a group do not lynch someone, no one who might be scum will get lynched, and scum will kill someone who is definitely town. The people you are waiting for aren't here, and by their posting times are not likely to BE here until the day is over. So please stop waiting for people who will show up to post "Wait why wasn't there a lynch yesterday?!"
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 04:57:43 PM
Well then if I am scum why don't you mass vote on me? Technically you can do it with your scum team. Your precious Bardiche will do it as well. So far mokou has his vote on me, you just need 4 buddies to lynch me at the end of the day. With 5 votes, I will most likely be lynched.

And then with that excuse, even if you fail to lynch me in D1, you will use this "stalling excuse" as suspicion, and try to Lynch me day 2. But UK said she wanted to fall hard on the lurkers and such on Day 2 but was burning me as well for being "lurker/active lurker/possible scum" during day 1.

Go ahead. 
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 05:02:16 PM
Helepolis. 5 votes will not lynch anyone. We need 8 votes to lynch. If there are not 8 votes there is NO LYNCH. Even if I commanded a scum team of 5 people I could not mass lynch you right now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Do you not understand that YOU currently look like the scum trying to delay the lynch? If we as a group do not lynch someone, no one who might be scum will get lynched, and scum will kill someone who is definitely town. The people you are waiting for aren't here, and by their posting times are not likely to BE here until the day is over. So please stop waiting for people who will show up to post "Wait why wasn't there a lynch yesterday?!"

Do you not understand that YOU currently look like the scum trying to delay the lynch? If we as a group do not lynch someone, no one who might be scum will get lynched, and scum will kill someone who is definitely town. The people you are waiting for aren't here, and by their posting times are not likely to BE here until the day is over. So please stop waiting for people who will show up to post "Wait why wasn't there a lynch yesterday?!"

@Helepolis - Shadoweh's probably right.

The advantage to lynching Zak is that he's defeated town, and won't likely make much contributions for the rest of the game. I could see why scum would switch from a defeated townie.

The advantage to lynching me is that I think Shadoweh x Bard is unbelievably anti-town, if not scum, and I'm fairly desperate to get away from it because it disturbs me.

But as a general rule of thumb a bad lynch is better than no lynch. It at least gets rid of the bad looking townies even if it doesn't find scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 10, 2011, 05:07:16 PM
Maybe my memory is off? It still remains that I can't remember one solid stance he's made until one page ago. And he spent a LOT of time rolefishing/dithering on Shadoweh/Bard for no purpose.

Your reason for voting him seems to be changing.  If you're town, you should probably step back, look at capt. h's actions, and decide which ones you don't think he'd decide to do as a townie.

Helepolis:  Did you miss my posts #323 and #328?  Also, stop basing your scum picks on conspiracy theories.  When people act in groups, it's generally because they're looking at the same game and are likely to reach the same reasonable conclusions.  If you decide for sure that one or two people are scum, you can spend all day putting together scenarios for their interactions and their scumbuddies, but without seeing their alignments flipped first, you could quite easily be wrong and all that work could be wasted.  The game is balanced under the assumption that a townie's pick of scum will be correct only about half the time, after all.  Your scum picks this early in the game should be the people who make the most sense as scum individually.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 05:10:13 PM
Actually less than half the time.

That said, I think that might not be a bad idea. I'll ISO capt. h. after DnD and see where I stand.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 05:19:58 PM
I stand correct than on the must-be-8-Lynch-requirement. That clarifies my mistakes.

@ Capt H. I am not disagreeing with you. Zakeri seems indeed defeated. Or he makes a surprise call on you. We cannot know. And I know about "A lynch is better than no lynch." It has been dropped so many times now, it is no longer funny.

I am not going to be the 8th guy on you. I don't believe you are Scum. It is a shame you are currently in the same state as Zakeri. You both sound defeated Town to me. If you get lynched now, Zakeri will be probably next. Or me even. How is that even going to make the Townies fight back? 3 easy potential targets and the scums are laughing at it already.

If you want to get away , no matter what,  at least fight for it. Zakeri did not stated he wishes to die. His non-vote isn't pleasing me. That is why I am asking you, Zakeri and remaining to consider the situation.



Cut by Serp, important information in it but can be split into 2nd part of my post

Serp, yes, they do come over conspiracy theories don't they. And the alignment flip is indeed another thing. Have you read also my case posts (not the silly exchange of words later) on on Bardiche? ( I hope you did ). And I didn't pick my vote on conspiracy theory, I picked Bardiche with exactly the reasons I given. The conspiracy is 2nd part of it and does not necessary,  because he is being heavily protected. His actions gives me a sense of he is scum.

Rdj giving me scum vibes also because he did also a single choice and sticking hard to it. Not explaining, not talking not helping Townies.


So Serp, then what is your stance close to end game? What do you think of Yano, Schezo, Serela and Mokou's posts until now. We know Dormio is in bed. He won't be able to reply anything atm unless the game drags on and he decides login to check.


Cut again by Miss UK, but not affecting my post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 05:24:26 PM
+=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====+
Shadoweh happily proceeded down the game board after rolling a 6. Finally! She was going to reach Minoriko, buy a large plot and get back into the game! One space, two.. three.. four..
"STOP! HELEPOLIS!"
Oh no, not him. Frantically Shadoweh tried to run past the SDM, but it was too late. A charismatic moment later, she was sitting down having tea and listening to this fanboy prattle on about his ojousama and how glorious her campaign to liven the Gensokyo skies was. One of the fairy maids stopped to remove a sizable part of Shadoweh's fortune from her wallet. Sighing, she followed Helepolis into the mansion and made preparations to spend the night.
+=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====+
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 05:58:22 PM
Voting
capt h(7): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh (L-1)
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting
Zakeri

capt H is at L-1
14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
3 hours remain. Once the hammer vote is down, no more voting or unvoting will be counted.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serp on April 10, 2011, 05:59:54 PM
Quote from: Helepolis
Serp, yes, they do come over conspiracy theories don't they. And the alignment flip is indeed another thing. Have you read also my case posts (not the silly exchange of words later) on on Bardiche? ( I hope you did ). And I didn't pick my vote on conspiracy theory, I picked Bardiche with exactly the reasons I given. The conspiracy is 2nd part of it and does not necessary,  because he is being heavily protected. His actions gives me a sense of he is scum.

Your case on Bardiche is mainly that he was reacting too defensively to the possibility of a case on him, and that other people are playing as though he were their scumbuddy, right?  The first point could be a valid foundation for a case, but the second is what I'd call a "conspiracy theory."  It more or less says, "If Bardiche is scum, then the actions of these people imply that Bardiche is scum."  When one player defends another without good reasoning, that's a scumtell against the player doing the defending - either he's defending a scumbuddy, or else he's scum who knows that the other player is going to flip town, so he wants to earn towncred by looking like he's doing a good job of figuring out who's scum and who's not.  But that means that it's a nulltell with regard to the player being defended.  Even if the player doing the defending is scum, it doesn't say anything about the defended player's alignment.

Quote from: Helepolis
So Serp, then what is your stance close to end game? What do you think of Yano, Schezo, Serela and Mokou's posts until now. We know Dormio is in bed. He won't be able to reply anything atm unless the game drags on and he decides login to check.

None of them look very townie.  None of them are getting lynched today.  If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll figure out which one of them is scummiest in the context of Zakeri's or capt. h's flip.  Until then, I don't think there's much value in evaluating their scumminess.

Quote from: Shadoweh
"STOP! HELEPOLIS!"

Drat.  I was hoping I'd be the one to pull out that reference first.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
Okay. I have to go for a couple hours, so town is on it's own for the rest of this short, short day. I am not moving my vote. For everyone else who wants to hold off until the last minutes of today to hammer I will remind you to look at the beginning of the topic and note twilight time for night actions comes out of our remaining day time. Hammer SOMEONE. SOON.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 06:19:49 PM
Okay. I have to go for a couple hours, so town is on it's own for the rest of this short, short day. I am not moving my vote. For everyone else who wants to hold off until the last minutes of today to hammer I will remind you to look at the beginning of the topic and note twilight time for night actions comes out of our remaining day time. Hammer SOMEONE. SOON.

Wait, does that mean that if we hammer at the last second, scum won't have time to submit a night/twilight kill and organize their night/twilight actions?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 10, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
That is an idealistic theory that I'm surprised you haven't proposed yet. Past attempts to outsmart Pesco's setups have only ended in tears and dead townies.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 06:23:21 PM
That is an idealistic theory that I'm surprised you haven't proposed yet. Past attempts to outsmart Pesco's setups have only ended in tears and dead townies.

Well you told me to speculate on setup less multiple times, so I made a point of not paying much attention to it this time. I might have come up with that theory earlier had I thought about it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
I am extremely doubtful that waiting to the last second to lynch would stop the nightkill from happening. I'd guess that any powers that explicitly need to be used in twilight/night/whateveryoucallit could probably be sent in to the mods ahead of time, and just don't activate until then. Otherwise it'd be very unfair to anyone with such a power who wouldn't be avaliable during twilight for totally acceptable reasons (timezones=sleeping, or work, school, etc)
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Capt.h has started looking better, but as others have said, it's too little too late, and looking better now doesn't excuse the earlier badness. Especially since now we're at the point where we've only got a few hours, it's pretty much too late to lynch anyone other then capt.h or Zak, and even getting a lynch on Zak seems unlikely given the circumstances. On that note, while Zak's post is really nice, his total lack of a vote anywhere is very not. As for which I'd prefer... I'm... not entirely sure. My only big thing against Zak is how he's not voting anymore, while capt.h started shaping up, so they're both a bit so-so. I think I'd prefer capt.h.

------vvv-----speculation and other dumb things!---vvv-----------------------------------------------------
Bard:I'm not going to rolefish what his power is, but he obviously has SOMETHING. This wasn't even just random action spamming like he did in RVS, he deliberately made a post with nothing in it but fluff asking Shadoweh if he could touch her (and she was the most likely to say yes), and then he writes up some porn and throws in ##touch. He threw himself out there quite specifically to do nothing else but set up an excuse to make some fluff with ##Touch in it. Earlier in the day he was probably setting up an excuse to throw around random actions so he could sneak it in easier, except he got called out for it.

This doesn't necessarily make him any scummier or townier at the moment I suppose, but in case someone who isn't paying enough attention to Bard happens to be a rolecop, or something weird happens with/to/about Shadoweh later, just throwing that out there.

Helepolis:I think I'm going to agree with whoever-I-remember-saying-my-next-statement and just kind of skim over his posts until he starts making more sense and less conspiracy theories. I like that he's trying pretty hard it seems, and he looks like he could be a great player once he gets the hang of things, but his effort is a bit misguided at the moment.

Shadoweh:Okay I'm just going to assume you have to write a role-play paragraph thing every 24 hours and just kind of tune them out.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 10, 2011, 06:44:40 PM
Oy vey.

Hele, where are you getting the idea that Shadoweh ordered me to do anything? Here's the post you're referring to:

You're operating under alot of misconceptions that could be considered scummy, so I'm going to go over some of them. They're self-devised traps you shouldn't fall into. Providing a summary of people's actions is considered reporting, buffing your content by just showing what other people said. Don't do it, people will look for themselves and they don't appreciate the effort. Secondly don't assume anything about actions. Private actions could resolve publicly and public actions could resolve privately. You aren't "in a mess" yet, it's just crazy Bard. Just find another case on someone you think is acting scummy now that the game is going (and we're PLAYING MAFIA YAAY~) and keep your vote on them. The only thing you can do wrong is give up.

I assume you're referring to the second-to-last sentence here. How does that translate to "you are going to vote for x person because I said so"? It's just general advice that was meant to help keep me from ragequitting or losing motivation. Am I saying this automatically makes Shadoweh town? No, I don't know that for sure. All I know is that it was meant as advice, and not as a threat.

As for your accusation of "not explaining, not talking, not helping town", that is false. This is my current case on him: At the time that advice was given, capt. h had already switched his vote around several times and was suggesting that you, Helepolis, summarize the game's events...something that I had already been seen as scummy for. That is what initially drew my vote to him. capt. h went on to vote Bardiche for a one-line response to Shadoweh's shenanigans, and then later switched his vote from Bardiche to Yonowaaru, a lurker, after holding on to the Bardiche case for a reason that was weak at best. He later roleclaimed a vanilla townie, with the role name "human detective", but then went on to say

If every contractor is dead at the end of the game, I probably win. At least, I think I win. My alignment is human, and I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Now, I know next to nothing about Darker than Black, but Pesco's flavor text in the OP suggests that not all contractors are evil. If not all contractors are evil, then there must be a few on the town's side. Why would a townie's win condition, then, depend on the deaths of other townies?

You say I haven't been talking. While my posts have been sparse for reasons previously mentioned, I have offered my opinions on the proceedings in reply #191 and #295. Notably, I've kept track of the cases against capt. h and Zakeri, as well as addressing points of your own argument. One of my responses to your speculation was said better by Serp later on:

When people act in groups, it's generally because they're looking at the same game and are likely to reach the same reasonable conclusions.  If you decide for sure that one or two people are scum, you can spend all day putting together scenarios for their interactions and their scumbuddies, but without seeing their alignments flipped first, you could quite easily be wrong and all that work could be wasted.  The game is balanced under the assumption that a townie's pick of scum will be correct only about half the time, after all.  Your scum picks this early in the game should be the people who make the most sense as scum individually.

Overall, I find your insinuation that I've been ordered onto the capt. h wagon ridiculous, and your assumption that the capt. h wagon is baseless doesn't hold up.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 06:50:02 PM
Do you think it's safe to say that I'm today's lynch?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 06:56:57 PM
Unless people who arrive by deadline and aren't voting you are misguided enough to think a no-lynch is better then lynching you, yes.

It's not impossible for Zak for be lynched instead, but... I really don't imagine that successfully happening. 4 people who want and will vote Zak who haven't already done so showing up within the next 2 hours? Yeah no.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 06:58:48 PM
Well then, I have nothing to lose.

+=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====+
Shadoweh and Capt. H were standing across from eachother, the noose around Capt.'s neck. "I think you're scum," Shadoweh said.

"I don't care what you are," Capt. H said. a certain, lunatic glint appeared in his eyes as he smiled; "You and Bard have been driving me insane all game. And now I'm finally rid of you."

"Oh, and by the way," Capt. declared from the gallows, "You should really ##Kill Bardiche."
+=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====++=====+=====+=====+

Ignore this, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
By the way, it feels great knowing I won't have to deal with your posting restrictions anymore, I'm not sure I could take another day of you two. I really am town, but I really do want you two dead five minutes ago.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 07:17:15 PM
Rdj, just like the rest of my suspects, you are dodging nicely the case. Of course there is no direct order visible here to you. But that is not the only problem:

Let me first see your reply:
Quote from: Rdj
This is my current case on him: At the time that advice was given, capt. h had already switched his vote around several times and was suggesting that you, Helepolis, summarize the game's events...something that I had already been seen as scummy for. That is what initially drew my vote to him. capt. h went on to vote Bardiche for a one-line response to Shadoweh's shenanigans, and then later switched his vote from Bardiche to Yonowaaru, a lurker, after holding on to the Bardiche case for a reason that was weak at best. He later roleclaimed a vanilla townie, with the role name "human detective", but then went on to say
That case is nothing new. You are not adding nothing new except stating what is going on. You never questioned anybody else seriously during the entire game. Only minor suspicion calls, which one was on me for vague reasons. And that was it. You are not moving any inch anymore. In my eyes, you are giving me extreme scum vibes, playing along the plan ordered to you in secret. (inb4Conspiracy theory call!).

So let me hear it from you then? As UK, Shadoweh also could not convince me on my Bardiche-case and kept on hammering me to hurry, time is ticking etc.

Bardiche vote-hopped so many times, messed up major and eventually he landed exactly what was asked from him as well.

Go ahead Rdj.





Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
I'm really sorry Bardiche and Shadoweh. But if you want to know the biggest obstacle I had to scum hunting, it was you two. Bardiche constantly stuffing fake commands into the thread and you constantly making up stories about vigging me and romantic encounters with Bardiche. And then there was the constant lovey-dovey crap. I can't take it anymore.

You too, UK, for getting between me and arguing against Shadoweh and Bard. I don't care what their role is, I can't think with those two playing under their posting restrictions. It'll be good to be gone, and I don't blame you at all for voting for me.

Finally, I don't have to hear about you and Bard and how much you two love each other just to make a case against a player. And it feels great.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 07:44:52 PM
5:50am.
What's happening?
Did capt. h just vig Bardiche?
Reading some more.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 07:47:08 PM
Voting
capt h(7): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh (L-1)
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting
Zakeri

capt H is at L-1
14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
1 hour and 10 minutes remain. Once the hammer vote is down, no more voting or unvoting will be counted.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 07:59:55 PM
What's going on, why are we raging.

Give me at least half an hour to make a post. I don't think I'll be hammering capt. h though unless no one else really really wants to. I'd much prefer a Zakeri lynch.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 08:01:02 PM
Uh, since it's nearing the day end and I need to do stuff and everybody else who isn't voting for capt. h seems to be missing, I'm going to hammer.
Having said that, I would still much rather see Zakeri flip, but I doubt that it's going to happen.
Lurker pass, yay.
Sorry, dude.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Huh, hi Conqueror.
I'd like to see Zakeri flip too, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
Willing to hammer whenever.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 08:03:27 PM
5:50am.
What's happening?
Did capt. h just vig Bardiche?
Reading some more.

All you need to know is that I haven't lied once.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 08:07:35 PM
As an aside, I like how Zakeri still doesn't have a vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
##Vote: Capt.H
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
Cut: What the hell Zak. I hate you.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
EBWOP: Sorry, that wasn;t supposed to post. No hard feelings.  :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 08:20:14 PM
Final Voting
capt h(8): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh, Zakeri Lynched
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
35 minutes remain for last minute actions
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
@Mod: Can we still talk after the hammer?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 08:21:20 PM
Yes you can.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
Well at least he voted. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
/me slowly stirs the spoon in his tea. "Mistress. . . was this fate?"
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Grated, I should be sleeping now, but I guess I'm too kind.

Also, just once, I wanted to cut someone who claimed the hammer with my own.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: capt. h on April 10, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Er, I think this is alright. This is either a Bah post or a Twilight post. (If it's not alright, please delete this).

Well, thank god that's over. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUTXdTgu_U)

Good luck, and try not to drive any more players insane!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 10, 2011, 08:39:19 PM
Wh-what? Huh?
What just happened? I go away and what?

I'm going to reread a few pages(darn you no-night setup) and make a post. I apologize for not being here before the deadline.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
This was mostly written before the hammer, making it irrelevant now. >_> BUT WHAT THE HELL I'LL POST IT ANYWAY.

capt. h: Honestly, in all this mess, I don't really see why his actions are an indication of scumminess and not just newbness. Alright, he "rolefishes", so what? There were weird softclaims and "fake" role actions going around, and as a newbie, he'd naturally try to make some sense of it. Reminds me of my first game when Pesco fakeclaimed vig, I pressed him for it, got called out for "rolefishing", and got mislynched. The entire sequence up to his roleclaim just feels like he's dancing around in confusion, and at the very least I feel that if he had scumbuddies they would give him some sort of guidance (barring a team of complete newbscum). Well I guess that's that, and we'll see his flip now.

Zak: So he came back in and made a decent post, and the points he makes are mostly sensible. The problem is that he's mostly targeting lurkers and low-content posters, who could be seen as fairly easy targets, not to mention he didn't make a case for who he thought was most likely to be scum - he just pulls out a list of players and says, these guys are bad, put them on the chopping block. Basically Hanged Hourai is the only concrete opinion for scum he has in there. Admittedly, at this point, Zakeri has improved, but his defeatist attitude basically makes him the preferred lynch for me. Not relevant anymore since I'm not expecting D1 trains to go into D2. I do expect Zakeri to continue producing though.

Post on Bardiche, Shadoweh, and Dormio coming up I think.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
Welp, missed where Zak said he would vote Schezo. Okay, scratch that little point out.

Bardiche: This entire post smells funny (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598620.html#msg598620).
Zakeri's post reads as defeatist. I'm not happy with a player who basically doesn't really want to play, but I can get on capt h just fine. His scumhunting has begun but it's Too Little Too Late.

Wait, what? So you'd rather lynch the player you think is "scumhunting" (although honestly, I would argue that point) in favor of the player who doesn't want to play?

Not to mention this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598536.html#msg598536):
Which means I'm also not going to leave my vote on you because maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you just put yourself from "scummy" to "whoah what is going on in this thread derrrrrp".

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri


Not willing to swap to capt h because I like the observation he made with UK and want to see more of them.

Even if you ignore the point that Zakeri could be defeatist scum, I have no idea how you went from not wanting to lynch capt. h anymore following your epiphany, to being "just fine" with his lynch.


Bah, I'm too tired to post more right now. I'll continue this later.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
Final Voting
capt h(8): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh, Zakeri Lynched
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting

I hate this season...
Damp and stagnant...
But then, it fits this decaying town...
My name is Kurasawa Gai.
I'm a private eye.
I've lived my whole life watching the habits of other damp and stagnant people.
I've got nobody that I can trust. My only love is my cigarette.


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capt H - Kurusawa Gai - Human detective Lynched Day 1

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Shadoweh - Mina Hazuki - Contractor killed Day 1

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Serpentarius - Amber - Contractor killed Day 1

11 alive. 6 votes for a lynch.
You have 72 hours from the time of this post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:00:04 PM
Serp, why did you attack Shadoweh. GDIT.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
And I was fine with lynching capt h because he quit scumhunting, obviously.

Anyway, Shadoweh was killed by Serpentarius so I don't think scum get to nightkill? Unless they did and Serp still somehow bit it. GDIT
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
Bard is there something you'd like to tell us about your ##Touch :smug:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
Um, wow. OK!

Serela, Schezo, Yonowaaru! Three names, five sentences, who is scum and why. Within the next 24 hours. Hop to it!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:05:17 PM
About as much as I want to tell you about ##Feel: NeoSerela and ##Hug: Zakeri.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 09:06:00 PM
Anyway, Shadoweh was killed by Serpentarius so I don't think scum get to nightkill? Unless they did and Serp still somehow bit it. GDIT

Are you 100% sure Serp killed Shadoweh, and how does this result in the conclusion that scum don't get a nightkill?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 09:08:55 PM
@Bardiche: If you're suggesting Shadoweh was targeted by Serp for the kill, then obv. Serp was the vig, and Scum killed him.
And don't hug me.

Shame too, since I was looking forward to making a huge case on you.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 10, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
Wasn't expecting those kills. :S

Helepolis: Given Shadoweh's flip, are you still convinced that I was taking orders from her?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
EBWOP: For clarification, I am asking this because Serpentarius did not mention Shadoweh all day, so I'm curious why he would choose to vig her.

Cut by Zak with what I was thinking, but I want to hear Bard's thought process.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:12:10 PM
Because Shadoweh was a Bomb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUJE2xs-RE).

[pesco]Link edited in for lulz[/pesco]
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:14:13 PM
##Feel: NeoSerela
/me shudders

Well at least we know you do something to people that in some manner is able of killing someone that nightkills them. And that you apparently have to use the action publicly, and it may or may not HAVE to be via ##Touch. So if your ability is that straightforward, I'd say that claiming what you've already claimed about it has pretty much neutered it, unless it was one-shot. oh hi bard saying he made shadoweh into a bomb or otherwise knew she was one via being a mason but the first is much more likely imo

WHATEVER, that's enough role speculation for now. Although it's more like "This is what we pretty much already know about Bard". Anyway, I suppose I'll go on that stuff UK is asking for now.

I'll definitely say first off though that Yonowaaru is pretty darn bad because, while he's posted maybe 3 or 4 times, only ONE of those posts actually had anything in it, and that was comments over stuff from page 3 or so, while we were already on like page 11 or 12. That is horrible. He may as well have not posted at all this game.

Actually I'll go ahead and do this, and provide moar on others later.
##Vote Yonowaaru
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 10, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
Hmm. Still, like I said, I find the idea of Serp vigging Shadoweh hard to believe given he literally said nothing about her all day.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
Well Conq, let's consider a few things about what we know then. Capt.h was the lynch, so that's covered.

Shadoweh was a bomb, according to Bardiche. She died, so either someone is immune to bombs and can kill (bulletproof SK/scum, anyone? ) or Serp vigged her. Serp could have also been the scum nk, and double-died.

There's several possibilities and wondering which one it is seems pretty darn pointless at this point in time.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:19:10 PM
Feeling people up does not a bomb of them make, Serela. Lol you.

Anyway hey, bro.
##Vote: Zakeri

What up with the ninja hammer.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 10, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
Pretty obvious Bard, what he intended. To be honest, I'm not opposed to lynching him, but I don't think he'll flip scum. Optimally he'll replace out since it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do. So I'd really rather pursue other people who are more likely to be scum. Like our lovely lurkers~

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 09:21:25 PM
This is pretty a shocking result, suddenly -3 Townie. I was most surprised by Shadoweh's death.

Helepolis: Given Shadoweh's flip, are you still convinced that I was taking orders from her?
Not really.

Zakeri, your surprise vote really did it didn't it... you better start explaining.

Also good going Yonowaaru, Schezo, most useless duo so far in my eyes.

I like how also NeoSerela keeps saying: "I will skim Helepolis' posts until he makes sense".  Are you going to continue skimming my posts?


Cut by many people but yea, nothing at from me

Miss Izayoi is demanding me to sleep for Uni tomorrow.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
Yeah, I suppose so UK. If this is his "honour" of never quitting a game speaking, then he needs a new "honour" where he doesn't try to get intentionally lynched rather than get himself modkilled.

Meh.

Helepolis! I was scum the other day because my scumbuddy Shadoweh was protecting me. Look again! My scumbuddy is now town. Am I still obvscum that should be lynched?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:25:32 PM
Feeling people up does not a bomb of them make, Serela. Lol you.
Well the only other possibilities are you divine roles via copping a feel, or had private communications with Shadoweh. But I'm not going to push this, since at the moment, the info isn't vital and I'm not interested in lynching you at this moment in time.

I don't think anything's weird about Zak ninjahammering since there was less then an hour before a no-lynch happened, and two other people had expressed desire to hammer him anyway. I'm wondering why YOU think it's weird, actually! And why Helepolis thinks this is so weird too. Does it really make a difference at ALL that Zak hammered capt.h?

Helepolis:"Skim" was the wrong word, I suppose. Maybe "not really pay a lot of attention to after I read it once". Once you start making good points though, that's a different story :3
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:26:08 PM
Okay, still confused.

NeoSerela: Hasn't really done anything this game.

capt. h: ... Welp.

Zakeri: All he's done this game is tunnel on UK, unvote UK and disappear for the rest of the day, reappear in time to hammer capt. h.
Don't look good man.

Serpentarius: ... Welp.

Yonowaaru: Has done nothing pretty much this game.
As mentioned, the information in his one "big post" was outdated.

I'll make new cases once I get back from uni.

Bardiche: How do you know whether or not Shadoweh was a bomb?

Anyway.
##Vote Zakeri

Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Whee, cut, even at 7:30am.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
Because Shadoweh was a Bomb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUJE2xs-RE).

[pesco]Link edited in for lulz[/url]
... Pfft.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
ARGH.
I forgot about Schezo, again.
Like the other 3, he really hasn't been doing much this game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:30:37 PM
Because Shadoweh was invited to my QT for Unlimited Gambit Works. I realised she was da bomb when we had hot, steaming intercourse in a private area of the couch where I kissed her with hot steaming intentions.

Unless I was lied to.


Ninja hammers are always weird, it's like Zakeri intentionally pulling something he know will get him scrutiny. I want to know why he's doing an obvscum thing in a game with so many newbies, and whether this ties into his "honour" preventing him from doing the right thing and getting a modkill or replacement if he don't wanna play.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Also, those "fake" actions don't look good man.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:35:17 PM
##Unmask: Dormio

Neither does that mask!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:36:03 PM
Bard:...okay, I can believe your QT thing.

Still going to be highly suspicious of anyone you ##Touch, though. >:I

Quote
obvscum thing
...how is it scummy, again, to hammer someone who is 100% definitely going to be lynched and there's about half an hour left till deadline and 2 people already said they'd hammer him if they needed to
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 10, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
Leaving this link here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Darker_than_Black_characters

Stumbled on it while looking for Capt H's role.  I also looked for ability like 'bomb'. There wasn't. But looking for 'explosion', I found

Code: [Select]
Maki (マキ?)
    Voiced by: Yuko Sanpei (Japanese), Maxey Whitehead (English)
    A young boy with heterochromatic irises. Maki's ability allows him to perform a type of spontaneous combustion on objects that he touches with his hands. The explosions can occur remotely as he often prepares handprints before activating his ability.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
That thing Helepolis just posted sounds like it'd fit exactly with ##Touch turning people into bombs, I've gotta admit.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:39:56 PM
##Stroke: NeoSerela

Kyaa~

It's scummy to ninja hammer someone because it is in the Big Book Of Mafia where town will always communicate when they will end the day or terminate someone, either through BLATANT SAYING or breadcrumbing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:42:27 PM
Yes. And if Zakeri had hammered when there was a lot of time left in the day, that would totally make it a scummy action.

In this case, that doesn't apply at all. Two other people had expressed through "blatant saying" that they were about to hammer him, for starters.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:47:35 PM
So he should've left it to them! Obviously!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:50:34 PM
Also, really want Helepolis to answer my question: AM I STILL SCUM?

Yesterday you were sure I was scum to the point that everyone's actions in relation to were scum-motivated! Suddenly now you say no word of me except for responding to my claim that Shadoweh was da bomb. What's up?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 10, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
Yeah maybe :V, but the point here is IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. In this case there's nothing actually SCUMMY about it. Not that there isn't enough to make a case on Zak without it, hell, especially because of that, you should just stick to the evidence that's actually kind of legitimate!

ninja'd:k then just to clarify I'm responding to Bard's post that's directed to me
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:54:57 PM
Hey, Bardiche, question.
In all seriousness, is Shadoweh a bomb or not?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 09:55:54 PM
In all seriousness, Shadoweh's ability allowed her to kill anyone that tried to kill her.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 09:59:16 PM
And how do you know this?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
That is for me to know and for you to guess at. The clues were left in D1 numerously over why I would know information about Shadoweh you lot wouldn't know. There is a blatantly huge one I cannot believe you'd miss!

And don't bother asking which one it is, because I'm going to hold my tongue on that. I know, I know, anti-town to claim I know more than you do re: Shadoweh, and that the actions I submitted in this thread could mean something (assuming I have a role, and assuming that role demands a public activation), but it is better you do not know.

I can promise I'm on town's side though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 10, 2011, 10:06:53 PM
I thought and still think that it was the ##Unmask.
Which means that you have my information as well now.
Anyway, I'm content with this and Bardiche now looks good to me.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 10:10:03 PM
Anyway, we're getting lost in this.

To restate:

Zakeri, why did you ninja hammer despite knowing you'd probably get some scrutiny for it, since this is what regularly happens after ninja hammers? Why do you no longer want to write a huge case on me?

Helepolis, what changed between capt h's lynch and now that you do not vote me immediately? Is this or is this not linked to my primary scumbuddy actually being town?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 10, 2011, 10:40:17 PM
Voting
Yonowaaru(1): NeoSerela
Zakeri(2): Bardiche, Dormio

Not Voting
Hanged Hourai, Schezo, UK, Zakeri, rdj, Conqueror, Helepolis, Yonowaaru

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
Over 70 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 10, 2011, 10:40:57 PM
-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@
A sweet rose scents the air.
I bring my face towards it's fragrant bud.
But low do I hear? A noise brushes through the air. A young man, tormenting young ladies his childish antics. The rose bush which covers me make no such rustling as I stepped forward.
But what mine eyes present me, is a fate far worse than one I would dare imagine.
Fair, young, and townest of all, Shadoweh is approached. Her dainty, elegant curtsy presented towards the young man. Oh, what forgiveness that she would accept such a brasive man.
Yet, what is this? Her smile, her charm, aimed directly towards him. I could not bear to watch anymore, yet my eyes would never turn away. That is when the travesty occured.
The young man reached out, and ##Touched her arm in a gentle caress. Jealousy filled my veins, this hatred seeped into me from nowhere. To find the lovely and fair Shadoweh had fallen for such an oaf. I could no longer bear to stand it, and even asked for my own death at the hands of the town lynch.
This pain grows more and more, but even in the midst of knowing the power he holds within his ##touch, I can not but sit and watch, as moments later, Shadoweh dies to unknown causes.

I know not whether to trust the words of this rash, abrasive buffoon.
And so I remain hidden in the bush stained with red flowers, where I shall forever ##Stalk my prey.
-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@-{-@

Also, Vote:Schezo
You made it through the day with three posts, one of which is apologizing for not posting. You waffled on Helepolis, make a side mention on that I was tunneling UK, which everyone was saying at that point, and the only person you really pressed is Capt.H, which you did with vague reasoning in post 135, and with parroting style in 238. You also didn't provide any opinion (that I could see) on anyone besides the three of us.

I already explained why I ninja hammers: Because I never got to do it to someone else before.
Half a does times, I offered to hammer, and then would get cut by someone else. I just wanted to see what it felt like~

Also, I'm going to withhold the answer Bard's second question, because that's apparently part of how being town works :P Don't get me wrong though. I'd still love to make a huge case on you. It's just with the way you started the day, it seems less conducive to catching scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 10, 2011, 10:56:44 PM
Did it feel good at least?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 11, 2011, 12:05:58 AM
Zak-
Ughhhh. Do you plan on staying in or replacing out? Because if you are, tell us please. That said, I don't really think he's scum. I can't find scum intent in his tunneling actions, and it seems like his feelings of despair are in the right place. I can't really imagine scum!Zak doing that.

NeoSerela-
I don't like. It's not personal. :<

In his first real post, the considers capt. h to be doing his weird thing from last game, but his next post is the good stuff. Helepolis had become sort of a thing at the time, and all he said on him was basically "I'm not sure." He says stuff without really saying anythng.

He shows willingness to vote UK, but doesn't at all say anything other than "UK feels funky." He says UK is suspicious, but he wouldn't vote her unless other people started showing an interest in it, and even then, he says he'd rather have a vote on a lynch candidate. And then he says, "But's she's been good lately, which makes me weary." Fence sitting and not explaining his not-very-solid-but-willing-to-vote-if-she-gets-more-suspicious opinion on her makes Hanged Hourai a sad crimson helper.

And we move onto his interaction with Zak. Almost nothing. Says he doesn't give a scum vibe, and then mentions him tunnelling on UK, but shows uncertainty in it and unwillingness to check. :/

Dormio-
I'm not getting very good vibes. In the same post he drops the case on Shadoweh, he doesn't pick another person to vote, even though he voiced suspicion and willingness to vote either of the wagons. I don't see the conviction in the Zak vote or the conviction in the willingness to hammer capt. h. He showed willingness to kill both wagons, so I am suspicious of him.

Yonoidontcarehowyouspellyourname-
I want to see a uber good post now. Make no mistake, If I don't get it, I will look forward to seeing you hang. Letting people skirt D1 without doing anything, and just prodding them to make a good post D2 is not enough in my book. Results, me boy, results.

rdj-
Pway wif us? ;-;

For the time being,
##Vote: NeoSerela


Just so I'm clear on this, the general consensus on the "night" actions is that Serp killed Shadoweh, which killed Serp?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 01:14:53 AM
Quote
He says UK is suspicious, but he wouldn't vote her unless other people started showing an interest in it, and even then, he says he'd rather have a vote on a lynch candidate. And then he says, "But's she's been good lately, which makes me weary." Fence sitting and not explaining his not-very-solid-but-willing-to-vote-if-she-gets-more-suspicious opinion on her makes Hanged Hourai a sad crimson helper.
There wasn't a whole lot of time left in the day. Of course I wanted to have my vote on one of the wagons. I wasn't sure I'd even be back by deadline due to sleeping, making it even more important. I wasn't voting since no, she wasn't going to be lynched that day most likely, and no, there was not a whole lot of time left and I might not have been back to change my vote again.

Over that unwillingness to check whether Zak tunneled on UK or not, I had just spent like 2 hours doing that post, I was DONE with mafia for then. Yeah, I guess that's kind of bad of me, but I simply didn't have any motivation at all to go back and dig through more D1.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 11, 2011, 01:17:45 AM
It's a new day now. Can you elucidate on your case on her?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 01:29:04 AM
Uni and it's 4.5 hour breaks (a class ended 2 hours early) can be awesome sometimes.
Going to make another post soonish.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 01:57:14 AM
So, uh, Serela, I notice you only produced  one name and have been posting since. Could you kind of do that follow up your promised with other names, please? Thank you?

Clock is ticking on all three of you~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 11, 2011, 02:04:08 AM
Zak's vote on me: Fair enough, I had a crappy weekend and just keeping up with walls on day 1 was hard for me.  I'll make sure I'm more active throughout the rest of the game because I'm not helping my fellow town by lurking.

As for who I think is scum right now, this is what I think.

Bardiche: Really at this point, he keeps doing all these weird commands and it makes me throw up my hands in the air and say screw it.  That he let Shadoweh buddy up to him all of day 1 without trying to even push her away just rings an alarm for me since, as scum he has nothing to lose from letting a townie clear him and then taking each others backs, which is hard to read through because of all the silly sonnets or what have you, you both keep posting.  Any normal townie would be wary of someone so early in day 1 making responses for him and I don't recall Shadoweh giving any reason to lower her suspicions on him, up until your QuickTopic that you claim to have shared with her, which is unverifiable at this point in time.  His last minute jump off of Capt H is also terrible since it seems as if he knew he was going to flip town so by getting on Zak, which was probably not going to happen at that point, he can seem to float over suspicion of being on the town flip.

Zakeri: I don't understand what you mean by this:
Also, I'm going to withhold the answer Bard's second question, because that's apparently part of how being town works :P Don't get me wrong though. I'd still love to make a huge case on you. It's just with the way you started the day, it seems less conducive to catching scum.
I'm reading it as, you don't want to make a case on Bardiche because he's conducting everyone since the day started, what?

Helepolis: Conspiracy theorist who was grouping yesterday, yeah what else is new Schezo?  Well it's hard to say since he has yet to give reasons for his actions yesterday so I'll hold off on this until he posts.

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rdj: Started off shaky then came back and made some good posts, then disappeared off the face of the earth...  As much as I'm one to talk about anything lurking, he was giving me vibes that could have been protown, but maybe he is waiting out the nice opinion everyone has formed on him?  As scum he could gain from this because since he is now in a positive light he doesn't really have to say much now since he won't get much scrutiny from everyone when he comes back, and that's if it was planned a little late than what a real townie would want.  I would think since he made comments about the flips he would have something to say about them, but right now this could go either was based on how he reacts.   
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 02:05:30 AM
Firstly, I still highly dislike Yonowaaru, Schezo, Zakeri, and NeoSerela.
Just putting that out there.

Anyway.
Firstly UK, despite having barely mentioned Serela, Schezo, Yonowaaru before, is now demanding everybody's opinions on them without giving her own.
In fact, UK has not mentioned Schezo a single time until she suddenly called him out as scum.
Also, note that Zakeri, who UK was so adamantly pushing along with capt. h yesterday, isn't part of UK's new scum list.
So, UK, care to elaborate?

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:/

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Damn it.
Stupid library net is stupid. So is not having a mouse.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 11, 2011, 02:10:22 AM
EBWOP:  How did I delete this and not put it back? >.>
##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 11, 2011, 02:29:45 AM
rdj-
Pway wif us? ;-;

I am, though ;_;



So, thoughts on the remaining players:

Yonowaaru - Dormio pretty much summed up my thoughts on the matter. If he (Yono) is town, he's definitely not acting it.
Zakeri - The ninja hammer was understandable, given that a couple other people were prepared to cast the vote anyway. The ##Stalk embedded in the RP segment...stalking generally has a negative connotation, but that's really the only thing that stands out to me. His despair post seemed genuine to me; leaning town here.
The hang?d one - Not a lot to go on here other than his opinion posts, which are enough to make me think he's town.
Schezo - Same as Yonowaaru; more activity from you would be nice.
UK - She's pushing the lurkers to contribute their thoughts on the situation, which is a helpful thing to do. Also leaning town.
Helepolis - Given Shadoweh's flip, his conspiracy theory has had a hole shot through it. Waiting to see what he says when he wakes up before passing judgment on him.
Bardiche - I have a theory about the ##Touch action, but it falls into rolefishing and is probably wrong anyhow, given that ##Unmask has been used both days. I'm slightly confused about the QT situation, but without Shadoweh around to verify, there's not a lot of use pressing it. Not sure how to feel about him.
Conqueror - My gut tells me he's town, mostly due to his post after the capt. h hammer.
Dormio - Not a lot of activity at the end of day 1; however, ~*~timezones~*~. From what I've seen of him today, he seems fairly town-ish.
NeoSerela - Seems to be more active today, so far. I agree with his assessment of the capt. h hammer; however, he seems to have dodged UK's question, which is not a good move.

##Vote: NeoSerela

cut: ohai Schezo

I would hardly call addressing Hele's suspicions prior to the lynch "disappearing off the face of the earth". I post slowly, true, but I do post. Once I start getting the hang of the game, I should be able to post more often.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 02:35:18 AM
@Caedo: Did you not see what I said yesterday about holding off on lurker pressure until D2, wherein I would slam into our token lurkers like a ton of bricks? Doin' things as promised, yo! Gotta force them to make content to have any commentary, Caedo. After they've all chimed in I'll let you know what I think.

Also, where did I call Schezo scum? Also, I only asked THEIR opinions on everybody, not the other way around. Reading comprehension: Top secret tech yo~

rdj, you're being a bit reportery

Schezo, your Bard thing is decent. Everything else isn't. You know how you accuse rdj of maybe kind of having a wait and see attitude? You're kind of really showing on wrt to Hele, and you also don't make a single concrete statement about rdj.


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 02:40:07 AM
Also, where did I call Schezo scum? Also, I only asked THEIR opinions on everybody, not the other way around. Reading comprehension: Top secret tech yo~
Oh, I interpreted that as "here are 3 names, everybody say why you think they're scum".
Sorry, that was my bad.
I blame poor engris skills, also mid semester tests.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 02:49:06 AM
At this point I'm finding it hard to look past Zakeri, Schezo, Yonowaaru, and NeoSerela.

They all had terrible D1s.
Low content, low activity.
And Zakeri ninja hammers when Conqueror explicitly asked if we could hold off the hammer for a moment as he was making another post.

Yonowaaru pretty much doesn't exist.

Schezo and NeoSerela, I need to reanalyze.

To be honest, they all look pretty bad.
Zakeri and Yonowaaru in particular.

Sticking to my Zakeri vote for now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 04:57:00 AM
I like how I was meant to have finished this an two three hours ago.
So, anyway, the Schezo/NeoSerela post.

NeoSerela: D1, she disappeared for a while after her original bandwagon-ing in the RVS.
Follows up with more bandwagon-ing as he jumps onto capt. h.
Final notable activity of D1 is simply repeating what other people have said.
D2, seems more active than D1 but all he has been doing is pushing Bardiche and defending Zakeri's ninja hammer.
You don't look all that great so far.

Schezo: All I really have on him is his really low activity.
He looks the best out of the four for now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 06:05:48 AM
-- 8:00 AM -- , Miss Izayoi, I need to check Mafia and then I will leave for Uni



I am still going to use the list of DtB chars link for my post. But first...

Yeah, I guess that's kind of bad of me, but I simply didn't have any motivation at all to go back and dig through more D1.
Don't do that any more... If you don't have any motivation, you shouldn't have joined the game. Half-assed work is useless for the town.

@Caedo, your questioning of Bardiche is really weak. What are exactly asking him. As if any scum is going to answer that question in honesty.


Zakeri, you are being silent about your ninja-vote the last minute/second. I demanded explanation, not a roleplay post with a possible public action power in it.

Helepolis, what changed between capt h's lynch and now that you do not vote me immediately? Is this or is this not linked to my primary scumbuddy actually being town?
Hmmm?

##Vote Bardiche

For me it is pretty obvious Modco is using the abilities from DtB in this game. Perhaps some of them are altered in a sneaky way to put them on the wrong track, in case curious persons like me start info-digging. However, if a power is used it cannot be used again without paying a price (see Modco's opening post)

If you indeed used the ##Touch power to turn Shadoweh into bomb, it explains Serp's death as well. He shot Shadoweh and died during it (boom da ze). There is no way 2 vigs from Scum killed both Shadoweh and Serp.

There are 2 people I would like to see dead in a very short time. Zakeri and Bardiche, but I will start with you first for now as my starting vote.

If you indeed had the power of turning people into bombs, it won't be working this time unless you paid the price which currently we don't know what. In DtB it says it might affect body / food / living style. So unless someone lost the ability to speak suddenly, I will be hunting you.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 06:24:17 AM
Helepolis - Given Shadoweh's flip, his conspiracy theory has had a hole shot through it. Waiting to see what he says when he wakes up before passing judgment on him.

Quote from: Schezo
Helepolis: Conspiracy theorist who was grouping yesterday, yeah what else is new Schezo?  Well it's hard to say since he has yet to give reasons for his actions yesterday so I'll hold off on this until he posts.
My conspiracy theory was on Shadoweh indeed, it got shot. Though as I said cleary, the conspiracy is 2nd on top of my primary suspicion on Bardiche. And that suspicion has - not - changed.


@ Miss UncertainKitten, While I agree on we should come down hard on lurkers, I am kind of unsure if that is going to be really helpful. . .
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 11, 2011, 06:48:40 AM
Voting
Yonowaaru(1): NeoSerela
Zakeri(2): Bardiche, Dormio
Schezo(1): Zakeri
NeoSerela(2): Hourai, rdj
Bardiche(2): Schezo, Helepolis

Not Voting
Schezo, UK, Conqueror, Yonowaaru

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
Over 60 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 07:11:56 AM
Then again, I realised something while I was thinking about it more clearly after a cup of tea.

There is one more theory I am curious about. What if Bardiche is in fact a Townie with the Touch ability, Who touched Shadoweh on purpose, because he was fearing Shadoweh was going to be killed by a Scum Vig.

He perhaps set up a trap against scum, just to make sure in case a Scum decides to Vig on Shadoweh, he would die a long in the process. But most likely, Bardiche's plan backfired because nobody from the Townies was expecting Serp to suddenly fire at Shadoweh. That would explain the Romance role play perhaps... instilling hate/jealousy on the people, hoping a Scum would take the bait.

##Unvote

Need to reconsider this carefully as 6 votes for Lynch could immediately mean Bardiche to be hammered fast, especially if there are 4 scums in this game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 07:16:25 AM
Though it all sounds most likely as a lie... No way that was the case. . . It was too obvious what Bardiche was doing as a typical scum. He still tricked the Townies, and got a 2 kill + 1 Lynch thanks to Serp.

Zakeri is also bad atm for being horrible ninja-voter. Miss UncertainKitten, I will also support the plan of coming down on Lurkers hard. So I am curious if our precious Lurkers are going to show up or not. Depending on that, I will place my vote.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 08:36:15 AM
@Caedo, your questioning of Bardiche is really weak. What are exactly asking him. As if any scum is going to answer that question in honesty.
I just wanted to confirm something.
I'm relatively certain that Bardiche has investigative abilities.

Also, here's what I think of the role madness so far.
First, Bardiche investigated Shadoweh.
Serp proceeded to attempt to kill Shadoweh, both of them dying in the process.
Bardiche has investigated me today, and Zakeri is doing some weird thing.

My thoughts on Bardiche so far.
I think that Bardiche has been playing anti-town.
A lot of his posts have been made in jest and his fake actions were headache-inducing at best.
However, I don't think he's crossed the border between anti-town and scum just yet.

I don't have anything much more to add since not much has been happening between my posts. :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 09:06:16 AM
While I'm at it.

I find myself agreeing with Schezo's points on Bardiche.
Coupled with the fact that he seems to be simply joking around most of the time.
As well as hiding stuff from town.
And seemingly forgetting about rdj after commenting that he looks better than he did at the start of D1.
Congratulations Bardiche, welcome to Dormio's list of "looking not-so-town".
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
30 minutes until Yonowaaru gets prodded.
Whee~

I hate ~*~timezones~*~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: Helepolis
Zakeri is also bad atm for being horrible ninja-voter.
WHAT IS SCUMMY ABOUT THIS, SERIOUSLY

ugh.

If there's 30 minutes left in the day, and you said you were going to hammer capt.h soon so there isn't a no lynch, so then I went and just hammered him myself, does this suddenly make me really scummy? No. It doesn't. It is almost completely irrelevant in that case whether you or me hammer, and that case is pretty much exactly what happened here, and I'm irritated people are calling this "HORRIBLY SCUMMY". It's not like there isn't plenty of good, justifiable reasons to think Zak is bad -anyway-!

Anyway at this point I'm just starting to rage at it whenever I see someone say it because it's annoying me and I think I should just drop the point unless somehow a wagon starts on Zak that's decent-bit driven by him hammering when two other people were about to do it themselves anyway.
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30 minutes until Yonowaaru gets prodded.
Well, if he doesn't show up within 12 or so hours, then I'll just unvote him since he'll start lookin to be modkilled anyway. If he DOESN'T get modkilled though... he really needs to be lynched. He's either massive lurkscum or a COMPLETELY useless townie.
Quote from: rdj
NeoSerela - Seems to be more active today, so far. I agree with his assessment of the capt. h hammer; however, he seems to have dodged UK's question, which is not a good move.
She said I had 24 hours k >: I gave her one name already, and now I'm back with a fresh mind to get one or two more! Hopefully two.

K, someone or other I seem to remember asking me to go reclarify how I feel about UK today. Well, the tl;dr version is she was a bit funky at the start of the day and then has greatly shaped up since then. I don't find it particularly odd that she isn't voting or making cases yet or anything since I assume she's waiting for her targetted lurkers to respond to her before she evaluates us, which seems sensible. Leaning town on her.
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People who are scum! Lets see who I think they are. First of all, Yonowaaru for reasons already stated and rather obvious anyway,

Second of all, Schezo! Weeeeelp, lets see here. Your first post is RVS, second is "hey there sorry for not posting", third post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597367.html#msg597367) is little more then a prod avoidance commenting on Shadoweh's roleplaying, we're on page 5 now by the way. Oh hey, look, it's a ~*~real post~*~ (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597320.html#msg597320) now!
>"Helepolis might be bad, will look into it if he keeps active lurking" K this is fine I suppose
>"Can't read Bard but people reacting to his shenanigans SURE ARE INTERESTING"
>"conq plz be srs"
Then he makes a nice paragraph on capt.h and votes him. The second and third points from his post are supposed to look like they're insubstantial, by the way.

Oh hey, wait a second... this is the FIRST VOTE ON CAPT.H. You heard it here folks, Schezo is a lurkylurker whom started the wagon on capt.h, and capt.h flipped town, by the way.

He does make another post before the day ends. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598231.html#msg598231) He returns to our newbie Helepolis, stating "Well I like some things you say but not how you say them and I don't know if you're town or scum hmmm", which is fairly okay, I suppose. Then he comments on our two wagons, his comments on Zak being limited to "Tunnels on UK lets kill him", and then continues with a nice paragraph on capt.h which would probably be a lot cooler if capt.h wasn't A.confirmedtown and B.So goddamn good at looking anti-town, as we saw last game, that I would be amazed if scum didn't try to get an easy lynch on him.

Also, that was Page 8, his fourth post, and the last one until D2 starts around page 15. Well then!

You know what? I like this case a bit more then "hi yonowaaru doesn't exist", although I'm still completely fine with lynching Yono if he doesn't get modkilled or suddenly look a lot better, if that's what the rest of town decides to do.
##Unvote ##Vote Schezo

...okay I guess UK wanted one more but I just spent all this time making an awesome Schezo case ;_; Is this case good enough to count as two and bump me up to those 3 you wanted?
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As for Bard, I feel that as things develop, his intentions shall become more clear. Since no matter what he does, it's clear it comes with an action that must be used inthread, I think things will focus into greater clarity after just a day or two!

Helepolis looks like town trying fairly hard to me, at the moment.

Not sure what to say about Rdj/Dormio/Mokou/Conq right now. Probably should do a reread on Zak. I keep looking at his avatar every time I scroll past it, anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 12:23:48 PM
The thing I didn't like about Zakeri's ninja hammer was that Conqueror wanted to make another post beforehand.
I mean, yeah, sure, I was ready to hammer in case Conqueror didn't make the post in time or something, but still.
We didn't know whether or not we were allowed to talk after the hammer, either.
Also, why are you so adamant in defending Zakeri anyway?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 12:26:12 PM
Also, why are you so adamant in defending Zakeri anyway?
Nah, just that one particular reason because IMO it's a bad reason to think he's scummy. As I've said, there are OTHER reasons that I don't mind if you think he's scummy for. Like that period he wasn't voting for, or if you thought his UK case was bad, or if he was tunnelling on UK (still haven't checked this *cough*)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
Schezo, why would I be afraid to be on the townflip, and did you miss that I voted capt h? Not paying attention? Orz

The rest of the "cases" on me are baloney, but I'll bother responding to them once I get home! Cheer!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Also ##Lapdance: NeoSerela
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
WHAT IS SCUMMY ABOUT THIS, SERIOUSLY

ugh.

If there's 30 minutes left in the day, and you said you were going to hammer capt.h soon so there isn't a no lynch, so then I went and just hammered him myself, does this suddenly make me really scummy? No. It doesn't. It is almost completely irrelevant in that case whether you or me hammer, and that case is pretty much exactly what happened here, and I'm irritated people are calling this "HORRIBLY SCUMMY". It's not like there isn't plenty of good, justifiable reasons to think Zak is bad -anyway-!

Anyway at this point I'm just starting to rage at it whenever I see someone say it because it's annoying me and I think I should just drop the point unless somehow a wagon starts on Zak that's decent-bit driven by him hammering when two other people were about to do it themselves anyway.
Nice raging there. But I don't see anywhere in my line stating he is scum. All I said is 'bad' as in bad player. First going emo about the game, withdrawing vote then surprise-voting the last minute/second without talking/communicating.

So what's up with the  rage? And Zakeri still did not explained himself.  If you didn't notice, in D1 I personally seen him has Townie together with Capt H. Though it seems I need to reconsider that statement of mine unless Zakeri starts talking

You should stop skimming/poorly reading my posts and read them, so you don't make up weird assumptions for yourself.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 11, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
ffs, how did I forget about this?....


Eh..
I totally understand you want to lynch me now, and you should, but you could also let me gather my bearings and actually DO something.


Pretty please?


(totally not trying to cute everyone out, mostly because I'm a guy.)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 01:11:26 PM
Quote from: Helepolis
You should stop skimming/poorly reading my posts and read them, so you don't make up weird assumptions for yourself.
lies I read it perfectly fine ;_;

I'm sorry, then. When people say "bad" in mafia they're often referring to scummy bad, and not bad play bad, so I misinterpreted it.

Also hiiii Yono. You've got about 48 hours before deadline to look less terrible! That should be sufficient time :3
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Also I'm currently trying to decide whether Bard is a sexy beast or a creepy perv.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 01:23:38 PM
I am more like trying to decide whether to bandwagon lynch Yonowaaru. He comes back every 23 hours and 59 minutes 59 seconds and that is it. Such players, I could care less if they were Town or Scum or if it was an amazing phrase such as: "It is tactical, I win like this".

OT: Modco should next time do speed Mafia. 24h for a day. Crank up the thrill, make people rush more for more interesting effects.

[pesco]stfu noob. Go play facebook mafia for that :V [/pesco]
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
Serela: I don't know what's so hard to get about 5 sentences or less. Part of the reason for that was so that you wouldn't magically cop out with "OH BUT I SPENT SO LONG ON CASE B SO I WANT A BREAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK"

Yeah, no, third name, or at least a damn good reason you don't suspect anyone else.

@Yono 457: Still got a clock on you! Sure, you can get your bearings...if you do so within the next seven and a half hours.

That is 7.5 hours left for you to produce some content.

@Hele 460: Wait, are you proposing a policy lynch on Yono? Do you not think he's scum?

So, let me get this straight, Serela. Schezo is scum for...starting the wagon on capt. h.? And...because capt. h. is an anti town player, scum would just be chomping at the bit to lynch him? Is there anything else to your case that I missed?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
Oh, uh, I think I forgot about the 5 sentences or less part.
So, let me get this straight, Serela. Schezo is scum for...starting the wagon on capt. h.? And...because capt. h. is an anti town player, scum would just be chomping at the bit to lynch him? Is there anything else to your case that I missed?
That Schezo was also lurky and his 2 non-completely-ignorable posts on D1 weren't particularly exciting other then the paragraph on capt.h? >:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
Also I'm currently trying to decide whether Bard is a sexy beast or a creepy perv.

Definitely a sexy beast!!

Quote
That he let Shadoweh buddy up to him all of day 1 without trying to even push her away just rings an alarm for me since, as scum he has nothing to lose from letting a townie clear him and then taking each others backs, which is hard to read through because of all the silly sonnets or what have you, you both keep posting.

Or I had that magical QT where we knew our love was puuuuuuuuure. No seriously bro, I was convinced she was town enough so why the hell should I let having fun get in the way of having fun? Besides like I said, Shadoweh was soft-claiming a name: her character's renumeration is to passionately make out with someone everytime she uses her power. Her shenanigans had a reason, and so did mine.

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His last minute jump off of Capt H is also terrible since it seems as if he knew he was going to flip town so by getting on Zak, which was probably not going to happen at that point, he can seem to float over suspicion of being on the town flip.

But I was on capt h like hot cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

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If you indeed used the ##Touch power to turn Shadoweh into bomb, it explains Serp's death as well. He shot Shadoweh and died during it (boom da ze). There is no way 2 vigs from Scum killed both Shadoweh and Serp.

How does this implicate me as scum, again? I had no way of knowing who would target Shadoweh, mind, just like I can't explain why people defended me D1. (other than that they might've thought I am town, which I have no way of knowing!)

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If you indeed had the power of turning people into bombs, it won't be working this time unless you paid the price which currently we don't know what. In DtB it says it might affect body / food / living style. So unless someone lost the ability to speak suddenly, I will be hunting you.

Well, maybe you should pay attention! This inattentive player is killing me! (almost literally!)

Why would I bombify the player with the most townie outlook to me? Wouldn't I have, y'know, MADE CAPT H INTO A BOMB SO I COULD GET TWO FOR ONE IF I WERE SCUM?!

Lolz. Okay, fuck it, you're all being like, suuuuuuuuuuuuper dense.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 01:57:57 PM
Super dense because read it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597078.html#msg597078), Bardiche never posts walls of text without purpose. Read the first letters of each paragraph.

MARVEL. SHOCK. GASP. BARDICHE ACTUALLY BREADCRUMBED HIS ROLE ALREADY.

I do make bombs, and I wanted to obfuscate this and confuse scum and play a jester so I could ride to LyLo and then bombify someone, vote 'em. Worst case, I bombified a scum, he dies, town wins! Best case, I bombify a town, scum hammers and dies to bomb, town wins! Town would win! Two scum quicklynching'd reveal themselves!!11!

But since everyone's so adamant about making it obvious what I can do, I don't have business hiding it anymore.

No, I don't have a QT with Shadoweh, I just figured she was town due to how heavily she was laying on what her character was, and I can confirm (I'm Maki) that characters and roles may be linked closely.

Also, you're dense because you complained yesterday that I was HOLDING QUIET. Hey, look bro, did I talk after using Touch? Oh wait, I didn't.

Self-fulfilling prophecy, my renumeration is that I shut up for the rest of the game day after using my ability.

Now, can we drop the case on me that reads "Bardiche is scum because he is scum" and get back on track with actual scumhunting? I admit I should've probably used a different approach but ze gambits, I love them.

Clearly failed because townies are getting too distracted.


Also if you try to lynch me I will turn myself into a bomb and take you with me. :V No idle threat bro.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 02:00:56 PM
Also, I should mention it's irony Amber might've likely died due to me. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 02:11:03 PM
Yeah I figured it was obvious as soon as you said Shadoweh was a bomb, and highly inferrable as soon as you said Serp died from killing Shadoweh.

Don't worry though, your power can still be useful! Err, it's just, a little harder. You can make someone totally unattractive to the scum NK via making them a bomb :3 The problem is if we think they're scum, suddenly we've got a problem. Unless there's some townie bulletproof lying around to be the hammer. I wonder what the chances of that are!

Or you could be mean and cockblock town's lynch when you don't like it :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 02:16:15 PM
Why does stuff always happen when it passes 12am?
I hate timezones. So very much.
Well, I'll make sense of this in the morning.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2011, 02:18:56 PM
I would not try to cockblock town's lynch. Better to remove someone who a majority think is scum than to protect someone a majority thinks is scum.

Besides, the bomb will remain a bomb for the duration of their lifetime. Even if I die it won't get cancelled. So that'd be a permanent cockblock, and I would not use my touch on someone I wasn't sure is town.

Which means myself, but making myself an unattractive target for scum seems like I might as well have been made a bomb. I wanted to lay traps QQ.

Shoulda been less obvius and yet more obvious I guess!

FWIW, I don't think zakeri is the scums so I can stop playing the jester I guess.

##Unvote: Zakeri

I'm currently bothered by the terribleness of Helepolis' push on me (where and how did I slip, and why does your case read like "Bardiche is scum because he is"?), but I can't say who's scum immediately without re-reading the thread with serious in mind, other than just "I think this person is pretty town".
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 02:31:54 PM
So wait let me get this straight (if my English doesn't fail).

The link you made in #464, I read it, understood it, but aside from that... I got nothing to say except my #443 was... correct?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 02:33:29 PM
So #354 from Shadoweh, was that Bardiche what I think it was?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 02:37:43 PM
But stop, Helepolis!
Quote from: Helepolis
So unless someone lost the ability to speak suddenly, I will be hunting you.
Someone did lose the ability to talk when Bard used his ability. He did, until the end of the day. So, this means you won't be hunting him, then?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Janitor Morgan on April 11, 2011, 04:09:40 PM
@mod: My vote is on Serela, not Bardiche. Won't be as of this post, though.

...though given Serela's new case on Schezo, I decided to go back and review Schezo's last post. While I don't agree with Serela's point about Schezo starting the capt. h wagon, I DO notice that Schezo tries to paint Bardiche as scummy by hopping off the wagon. Guess what Bard didn't do? Hop off the wagon. Either you just weren't paying close enough attention, or are trying to confuse us; neither is helping.

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo


@ Bardiche #464: Yeah, this completely tears apart that other theory I said I had. After reading Hele's quote from the wiki, I had figured you were some sort of delayed vig, but that wouldn't have made any sense in retrospect.

Anyway, your roleclaim makes sense to me, and I'm thinking you're town.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 11, 2011, 04:42:50 PM
Voting
Zakeri(1): Dormio
Schezo(3): Zakeri, NeoSerela, rdj
NeoSerela(1): Hourai
Bardiche(1): Schezo,

Not Voting
Schezo, UK, Conqueror, Yonowaaru, Helepolis, Bard

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
Over 52 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 11, 2011, 05:20:49 PM
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That night, at the Scarlet Devil Mansion...

"You... called Lady Scarlet?" Helepolis carefully asked while closing the door behind him of the living room.
"Helepolis..." She spoke as her eyes glared, piercing through me. Her glare was so fierce, I couldn't breath any more. Sweat broke out and dripping from my hair, down to my neck.

"You realised it didn't you?" she asked. "That girl who visited us yesterday. . ." Without saying anything, I lowered my head, staring at the floor. "Are you going to continue being a disgrace to us and your friends?" she continued to lecture.

I slowly raised my head and looked into those scarlet eyes of my Mistress. "My Lady, what do you want me to do?" I asked while clenching my fists.

Suddenly her wings spread out widely, her eyes started glowing, emitting strange radiance. Her charisma, it was starting to radiate. It was fierce, as if it was going to break the room or furniture any moment. She stepped forward and placed her index finger on my forehead. Was I going to be killed by her? Punishment? I gritted my teeth, closed my eyes. "Damn it, I should have talked with her, she visited us for a reason. Damn it! What should I do?"

But Lady Scarlet then smiled and whispered in my ear while tapping my forehead: "A devil does not cry, start using that brain of yours". she then turned around and walked away. I just bowed and remained like that until she left the room.
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Maybe I should have rejoined the WuftD game, what do you think, Bardiche?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Yonowaaru on April 11, 2011, 05:32:22 PM
So, starting from day 2:


-Bard is still screwing around. I can't see through this veil he's taken.. Saying there was a bomb doesn't give me any tells, for he just seemed to be trying to make sense out of what was going on. Not that I agree, though. Imo one was killed by vig and another by maf.


-NeoSerela has a point on me. I get a townread from her.


-UK wants to lynch lurkers. Nothing bad with that, I guess


-Zakeri is odd..  He is just... ehh.


-Schezo is a lot the same case as me, but he's not convinced me he's town quite yet.


-I get a definite town read from RDJ, more so than from Hele. Hele's more scum somehow.


For now, I'll go this way..


##vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
Yono, you seem to uh, have not read the part where Bard is a role that turns people into bombs
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 11, 2011, 05:40:42 PM
Whoops, I guess I was looking too far back to where you unvoted but you did get back on.

Ok Bard, so am I right to say you two didn't have a quicktopic or anything?  So by just her softclaim, are you saying that she really did something to you or all of those fun scenes are just fun?  Also, why is Zakeri just magically cleared from you now?  Did he do something I missed that makes you clear him?  If you are going to stay serious since you just roleclaimed I could believe that your actions were drivin with good reason.

Serela: My graciousness, most of your case on me feels like just because I started the Capt. H wagon I'm scum?  That is just so bold to throw out at me when for starters, you were third on that wagon, which means you must have agreed he looked like scum or you would have voted elsewhere right?  You were arguebly the vote that actually got his wagon rolling in the first place and I didn't see you having quelms with me being on it yesterday. Your reasoning against me would hold a lot more substance if it wasn't for the fact that you stayed on capt h all day then have the audacity to just fling out a weak case on others over that. I'll second that it's also nice you made only a real case on me then just stop. I'm willing to drop Bard for now since he has a few logical answers until he answers my questions.

Hele: I find myself going, I agree with you and then I don't.  The whole Bard was silenced to pay for his power makes perfect sense in context and seems to poke a hole in your theory. But I find you are onto something when you go, Bard really could be scum and is just playing off his plan to get two townies killed. Shadoweh was obviously suspicious enough to get vigged by a proactive townie so why he's so adamant about him knowing she was town that early in the day makes me think something is up. I admit I would have gone after Shad today just for dancing around so weirdly but on a whole this feels a bit conspiracy theorist.

This is tough but I'm willing to put Hele on the backburner for now and give Bard a chance to answer my questions.
##Unvote:
##Vote: NeoSerela
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
Oh, hi Yono. Way to completely fail to answer my question.

If you missed it, it's easy. Post three names, people you think are scum. Post five sentences or less about why you think they're scum. Don't just talk about D2, talk about the entire game. You...didn't even name anyone as scum in your list, really.

So, originally I was going to call out Schezo on not voting out of his three professed suspects, but he kind of really has a point on Serela. Also, should be voting around 5 PM EDT today (3 hours, if I'm not still having my soul crushed by idiots).
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 09:08:42 PM
Wow, literally no one posted since I last posted. You all suck at this.

##Vote Yonowaaru

Had enough of your games. Serela is my second pick. Schezo is about the only lurker I'm willing to think MIGHT be town right now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 09:24:11 PM
I'm willing to go for anybody on my "looking not-so-town" list.
And it doesn't look like anybody is interested in a Zakeri lynch.
Ignore the fact that he's about to be prodded in an hour.
And the fact that he was there but not participating in most of D1.
And that he ninja hammered catp. h when Conqueror stated that he still had more to say.

Hanged Hourai only has a few hours (4) before he's prodded, too.
I almost forgot that he's playing, and I really don't like that.
Guess we'll have to wait for more content from him.

I like how Bardiche's claim gives him a free "I'm going to lurk now" button.

Yonowaaru. What more is there to say?

All NeoSerela seemed to be doing D1 was bandwagoning.
D2, he is looking better, as is Schezo.
Least willing to switch to these two, for now.

I still want to vote for Zakeri, but I'm willing to switch to anybody on my "looking not-so-town" list.

Why must you all look so anti town.

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 11, 2011, 09:25:36 PM
Looks like we declared war on the lurkers for the day? Seems like a rather easy stance to take, but uh ok, I guess we can always start there. A question though for UK: Why those three specifically, and not Hourai or Dormio?

Looking at Serp's suspicions before he died (as he makes sense as scum NK), it looks like he was looking at UK, Zakeri, and the lurrrkers. Just a point of note for NK analysis or whatever.

************************Happy Happy List Time Part One**********************************

Yonowaaru isn't playing the game. The only game-relevant post he's made is basically this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599753.html#msg599753), which is just arghghgh because it is basically a useless post content-wise. And he votes Bard, for some reason (I guess "screwing around" is what I can get out of that). Really, if you're not going to play, get a replacement or something because it's impossible to draw anything from a complete lack of content. That said, you made a funny little comment here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599594.html#msg599594):
Eh..
I totally understand you want to lynch me now, and you should, but you could also let me gather my bearings and actually DO something.
  :wat:
Anyway, I can't particularly condone a Yonowaaru lynch for today because 1) it gives us absolutely zero information and 2) the lack of activity is, while anti-town, pretty much a null-tell as he might just not know how to play forum mafia properly. If he doesn't start playing though, he should have to go before the end of the game, whether by replacement, modkill, vig, or lynch.


Schezo's first real post, #135 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597320.html#msg597320), is where he votes capt. h and basically gets the wagon started. His reasons for voting capt. h relative to what was else was on the table at the time are fairly solid though (the rest of the post can be safely ignored). His next big post, #238 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598231.html#msg598231=), pokes some more at capt. h and again, the reasons for keeping his vote on capt. h are visible and understandable. The side comments on Helepolis and Zakeri either waffle or don't bring anything new to the table. And wow, that's his day one activity. Doesn't look too good, but I understand where his capt. h vote was coming from.  On to day two. His first post, #435, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599291.html#msg599291) pulls a case on Bardiche out of pretty much nowhere, but let me summarize his reasons for voting Bardiche here: 1)Command shenanigans, 2)ShadowehxBard buddying, 3) Bard's jumping off of capt. h onto Zakeri. The first is more anti-town than a scumtell, the second is a semi-valid reason (although somewhat silly IMO), and the third is indeed suspicious but it's a misrepresentation of what actually happened - Bard jumped off capt. h onto the Zakeri wagon, and then later jumped back on capt. h. The rest of the post is waffle or fluff. Okay, so it's a mediocre case, but given he has no other cases...well... it's actually not that bad. Schezo's most recent post makes a decent post on Serela, although he throws more waffles at Helepolis.


Now for NeoSerela, hmm. It looks like he acknowledged  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598158.html#msg598158)the "typical capt.h song and dance,"...but then voted for him anyway. ??? Then he says capt. h is looking better (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598784.html#msg598784), but it's too late to switch to anyone else now! Interesting that he gives no viable alternatives to either of the lynches if he didn't really like either of them; it's like he didn't think anyone was scum. On day 2 he votes the obvlurker (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598959.html#msg598959) much like what he accused capt. h of doing in his initial vote for capt. h. Anyway, now he makes his first real case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599573.html#msg599573), against Schezo. His points are that Schezo started the wagon on capt. h (not a scumtell, even if capt. h was town, and weren't you on the wagon as well?), and then he acknowledges that Schezo made a good point on capt. h that is now void considering capt. h is confirmed town, ignoring that 1) we don't know who is town until they flip and 2) Serela did exactly the same thing, except his reasons were even shoddier.


Basically Schezo is bad, but I can at least assign some sort of town motives to his actions, lurky as they were, because he at least gave reasons for his vote. Serela is everything Schezo is and worse - his vote on capt. h just feels like a bandwagon hop. I could probably also throw in active lurking as a charge seeing as I can't get much else from his numerous posts.

##Vote: NeoSerela

More to come later. Cut by UK voting Yonowaaru. Why him instead of Serela or Schezo? Also, repeating my query earlier in this post: "A question though for UK: Why those three specifically, and not Hourai or Dormio?"
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 09:30:55 PM
Why do you hate me so?
You said you'd make another post at the end of D1 saying stuff about me and Bardiche, what happened to it?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 11, 2011, 09:33:04 PM
Oh, you guys are coming up next, don't worry about it. I'm going to make a post about every single bloody person in the game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2011, 09:54:50 PM
Re: Yonowaaru.
it would be nice if you provided reasoning for your lovely insight.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 11, 2011, 09:57:04 PM
@Conquerer: Because Hourai and Dormio have both been posting and I have a general idea of where they kind of sort of stand on things. Waffling, as annoying as it is, isn't lurking. And the waffling more applies to Dormio.

As for why Yono over Serela? At least Serela is POSTING now. To be honest, I'm willing to lynch his ass today too, but it's not as high a priority. He'll probably be lynched tomorrow if he isn't today. Yonowaaru though...he hasn't been doing anything. He's been pretty much a bump on the log and refused to even answer a reasonable request. He's hiding any damn intent he has, and when he does post, it's pretty terrible and doesn't really further the town. If he requests a replacement, I'll probably consider switching to Serela to at least give the replacement time to dig their grave.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 11, 2011, 11:01:44 PM
Taking a puff of my cigarette, I look on at the crowd of people yelling around. Looking at the log of nearly 500 posts, filled with walls of texts, I sigh and take a final breath. Throwing the used cigarette onto the ground, I prepare to shoot out my brains.

Confirming, reading, expect a post in 48 hours.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 12, 2011, 12:09:24 AM
Neo-
Great, you responded about how you feel on UK today. Problem is, that's not what I asked for. I wanted your case on her from back when you said you were willing to wagon on her if other people started doing it. I want the case on her you said you had on D1, not how you feel D2. You never explained that case, and unexplained cases make Hourai a sad crimson mad scientist doll helper. Don't give me a tl;dr version on something you never expounded on.

Dormio-
I'm a little more suspicious of. He says that I have some time before prodding, and forgets that I've been playing. And he says in the opinion posts that I was being townie and not having any scummy vibes. At least, until the point where I show more suspicion of him where he was willing to get on both the wagons with little conviction.

Schezo-
Hi. Not too much to go on, but I find some townie vibes right now. Makes good points.

Helepolis-
Ughh. I'm calling neutral right now. I can't imagine scum would push so hard on a scumteam when they knew one of them would flip town. I'll look through the conspiracy theories later and see if anything of interest catches my eye.

Yonoverybadlurker-
I swear, if you make me drop my case and vote you because you're a horrible lurker and anti-town, heads are going to roll. i.e. yours
Do something useful now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 12, 2011, 01:14:44 AM
Voting
Zakeri(1): Dormio
Schezo(3): Zakeri, NeoSerela, PX
NeoSerela(3): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror
Bardiche(1): Yonowaaru
Yonowaaru(1): UncertainKitten

Not Voting
Helepolis, Bard

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
~42 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 12, 2011, 02:58:50 AM
I'm feeling to lazy to actually sit down and read through everything, so I'm just going to glance over. I apologize if I miss any questions, but just requote any you need answered.

It's easy to say "What? You're lynching people who don't talk? But how can they defend themselves when they don't talk? That's the easy way out of making a case." But the truth is that it's not as easy, nor as unimportant to lynch lurkers as you would believe. For starters, there are people like Conqueror who are defending lurkers right to not be vote, so that automatically makes it not the easy way out since suddenly the person voting is under scrutiny. Secondly, lurking does not excuse people from being scum, and in fact may even indicate people who are scum (Examples: Alice Margatroid and Myself, respectively) Scum may especially be tempted given MotK's general meta leaning towards giving lurkers a prod and a pillow for them to rest their head on, as oppose to people actually agreeing to lynch them.

The third thing I want to get at, and the most related to this game is that in my reads over day one, I actually have several cases for why certain people are town, yet my best case for who is scum is just a weak "Well, he was on a town wagon yesterday." Even a large part of my case on Schezo is based partially off of lurking and not mentioning anyone beside Me, Capt.H and Helepolis. This indicates that we either don't have enough cardflips, or enough people posting regularly, and the first one will automatically fix itself as time goes on.  The second won't if we just let people go.

That said, It would be easy to convince me to lynch Yonowaaru.

Cut: Hi PX.

Also, I completely don't apologize for the hammer. I'm sure what conqueror had to say about wanting to lynch me was important, but what with there being half-an-hour left in the day, It didn't even really matter if we couldn't talk during Twilight, since he only would have had to wait a few minutes anyway. Besides, to be honest, I didn't know Conqueror said he wanted to post before the hammer.

Quote
I'm reading [Zakeri's reason not to make a case on Bardiche] as, you don't want to make a case on Bardiche because he's conducting everyone since the day started, what?
Umm, what? I'm not seeing what you're reading, or if this is just a backhanded attack against Bardiche.
The short of it is, I don't really see a reason why Scum Bardiche, or even a town Bardiche with a different role than what he claimed would even admit to targeting Shadoweh. In short, I think Bardiche is, well, not mafia. Unless your confusing the words "Conducive" (to assist) with "Conductive" (to command).

That said, "I promise to improve" Doesn't make me want to move from my case.

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Zakeri: All he's done this game is tunnel on UK, unvote UK and disappear for the rest of the day, reappear in time to hammer capt. h.
You must have missed my post 284 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598555.html#msg598555) since you seemed to have not included it with "all I've done." I'll forgive that, since I didn't vote, but I did claim in post 290 below that I would have voted for Schezo, who I'm keeping towards right now.

As for Schezo, Post 435 and 437 where he votes Bardiche based on what Bardiche is trying to claim with his role is not scumhunting, but it strikes more of frustration rather than pushing a bad case. His 477 however is a complete 180 in a good way. He turns the tables on Neoserela with the who started the bandwagon point. This makes me want to go over NeoSerela now, except not really because it took me all day just writing this post alone. Just both of you know, I could go either way here depending on your future actions.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 12, 2011, 03:22:25 AM
Yeah Zak... No idea who's being quoted in your above post, and I don't think I really should have to go back and dig for it just to read your information.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2011, 03:41:23 AM
Hi Hourai, so you're suspicious of more being willing to vote for people that I already stated I don't like?
Huh, what?
At this point in time I'm willing to go for a Zakeri/Bardiche/Yonowaaru lynch, and possibly a NeoSerela or maybe a Schezo lynch.
Does that make me scummy?
It's not my fault that so many people are acting anti-town.
Also, what's with the sudden conclusion that I find you scummy?
Have I said that you're on the "looking not-so-town" list yet?

Anyway.
At the library and my break is almost over so I'll read over the recent Zakeri post and other stuff when I get home.
So yeah, proper post later.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2011, 03:47:19 AM
suspicious of more me
Derp.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 04:55:44 AM
Re: Zak and lurkers: It's more like it's almost impossible to get any info after the fact from a lurker lynch, and because they're lurkers, it's nigh impossible to tell beforehand whether they are lurking scum or lurking town (although I suppose the former is more likely). The thing is, what I've also seen from past games here is that a lot of the time you have low-content newbies who lurk and post uselessly, while scum get a free ride along with town and lynch the poor bastards, so naturally you'd have to scrutinise any voters. The difference between these lurking newbies and lurkers like you and Alice is that people like you two have less of an excuse not to put out quality content. Anyway, my point is that I'd rather go to town lynching the people I think are scum rather than the people whom I can't read at all...the latter become more important as the game continues, in my view. I suppose this decision for you is easier seeing as you state you have have town reads on people. :P

Whatever, I'd be up for a Yonowaaru lynch; it's not like he's being useful or townie anyways, seeing as he's done basically nothing. Lynch All Lurkers, right?  ::) I'd just rather lynch Neo because I think he's more likely to be scum.

Re: Your hammer, I can't really fault you for it, seeing as you were the lynch alternative, but it would have been nice if you had waited a little for me to post first. >_> Eh, it's not that important now anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 06:00:24 AM
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Today is Tuesday, as usual I woke up to prepare my self for weekly work. While the SDM does not need money, I still insisted on finding a job, just to be useful for my Lady. Standing in the mirror, I started shaving off my beard. I hate having beards, it does not fit me and neither fits the Scarlet Mansion.

"Ouch... oh man..."

The razor blade had slipped and accidentally cut myself, while thinking too much about yesterday night. It is not a big cut, a small one but it still bleeds quite a lot. Quickly I pressed a piece of tissue against it and waited patiently until the bleeding stopped.

Eventually I finish my shaving and head over to eat breakfast. After I finished my breakfast, I notify miss Izayoi I am going (as my Lady is still sleeping). She won't be awake until evening. So I leave for work. While at the office, I could not focus on my work. Questions keep going through my head. With a piece of paper and a pencil, I start drawing.. drawing lines, drawing circles, drawing question marks. I scribbled some random words and names.

Schezo... NeoSerela.... Dormio... UncertainKitten... PX... Yonowaaru.... Bardiche... Conqueror... Zakeri... Hourai...  after writing those names, I started thinking but my thought process got interrupted by a phone call. I sighed: "Guess I really have to finish my work first before getting back to this."


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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 06:03:10 AM
Shit , while writing that Roleplay post, it got already late. Need to rush out for work ORZ. Damn you Modco for making me do this!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 12, 2011, 07:28:44 AM
My third and most important point about Lurker lynches is that right now, it's not a matter of lynching people who don't talk over people who are likely scum, because there's very little in the way of "people who are likely scum." The thresh-hold for acceptable scum cases is low enough to the point where I almost impulsively unvoted the guy I was voting, and switched to the guy he was voting. It goes without saying, I'm trying to pick and find the cases that are scum, but right now Priority two is raising that thresh-hold by eliminating people who can't be read.

Your point that we would have to scrutinize the wagons on lurkers kind of defeats your point that lurker wagons provide no information. The whole point of wagons, and why town lynches are better than no lynchs on any day besides mylo is because you're suppose to scrutinize the voters.

The first quote was from Schezo's 435 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599291.html#msg599291)

The second quote was from Dormio's 407 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598976.html#msg598976), and details his case on me.

I'll take another look at NeoSerela tomorrow, and if I'm feeling frisky, anyone else.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 07:33:02 AM
Your point that we would have to scrutinize the wagons on lurkers kind of defeats your point that lurker wagons provide no information. The whole point of wagons, and why town lynches are better than no lynchs on any day besides mylo is because you're suppose to scrutinize the voters.
Eh, alright, fair enough.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2011, 11:27:23 AM
Ugh.
It takes way too long to try and make sense of some of the stuff in this game.
Anyway.

Schezo looks a lot better after his most recent posts.
Terrible D1? Better D2? Ehhhhhh...
He's floating somewhere between the border of looking town and not-so-town.

Yonowaaru, it would be really nice if you did that whole existing thing.
I mean, seriously, come on.

Not completely sure on what I think of NeoSerela and Bardiche, I'll need to reread them and post before I go to sleep/tomorrow depending on how long it takes.

Also, Conqueror, I really don't like those that claim that they'll look into things later (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598928.html#msg598928) but never do (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599950.html#msg599950).
You've done it on both days so far.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2011, 11:37:41 AM
Not completely sure on what I think of NeoSerela and Bardiche, I'll need to reread them and post before I go to sleep/tomorrow depending on how long it takes.
Zakeri too.

Anyway, going to try to get this post done.
If I don't post it sometime soon-ish, it'll probably be done once I come back from uni tomorrow.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 12:30:55 PM
Zakeri makes good sense.

Especially when I agree that most of everyone who's posting, there really isn't a lot of shit to dig! And while I WOULD love to vote someone for reasons that aren't that solid, I think Zakeri's on to something re: lurking.

Anytime Schezo is scum he lurks so fiercely. :[ AND HE'S DOING IT AGAIN. ##Vote: Schezo

We'll see if he does it as scum or sometimes as town, too!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 12:33:38 PM
Also, Conq going "we're doing lurkers? K, I'll look at those first" rather than trying to sway town into doing what he thinks is better is suspicious at best, scummy at worst. Why would you go along with the flow if you think there's scum to be found in the active posters?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2011, 01:56:32 PM
Mokou Hourai:But I don't remember my case on UK yesterday, I barely remember my case on Schezo today >: brb rereading that d1 post

Okay, it was because... umm... she was kind of funky early on and... then she kind of got better by the time I got around to her, and... okay it was a terrible case.

But, well, it was D1, and the case on capt.h wasn't hugely exciting since he's normally so anti-town anyway (Which is part of the reason I wanted to lynch him *cough*) and I didn't think Zakeri was scum at all. But by the time I arrived, it was paramount for my vote to be somewhere where it mattered, which due to the situation was on a wagon, and UK didn't have a single vote on her.

Okay, UK wants a third name from me. I've got Yono and Schezo so far. Well... I haven't noticed anything at all wrong from Dormio or rdjpx. Don't really think either Zak or Bard is scum at this moment in time. UK seems town. Wouldn't vote Helepolis... brb rereading Conq I guess.

nope I'd definitely lean town on conq

well, um, I dunno what to say, UK! Can I be the third scum on my list? I mean I know I'm not but I could make a much better case on myself then on anyone else in the game not named Schezo or Yonowaaru :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 02:14:57 PM
Bard is scum at this moment in time.

Please cite sources.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
You're trolling me right? :V

I mean, I suppose it's not totally implausible you read it wrong...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 02:38:18 PM
Just trolling. Sorry, couldn't resist. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 03:47:23 PM
Wellp, HW is replacing Yonowaaru. Good luck.

##Unvote, ##Vote NeoSerela as promised.

Case would be first an evasion of my question for most of the day, a rather hypocritical case on Schezo and possibly Yono as well, and most recently, the complete lack of ability to name a third potential scum. Particularly given his other cases are on more or less easy targets, this doesn't read as town scumhunting. It reads as scum running out of names they can potentially fake a case on. So yes, you can be the third scum on your list! I'll just be right here voting such a wonderful insight~

Willing to switch to HW if he doesn't deliver anything good.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
I thought you were going to come down hard on Lurkers, Miss UncertainKitten. What's with the sudden Neoserela vote? Because he couldn't give a third name? Also willing to switch back to Huhwhat? I thought keeping the pressure on him was the whole point of your anti-lurk idea? Or is suddenly Huhwhat getting a special exclusion here?

Normally one would switch - out - after a story, no matter how many times the player got replaced.



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 04:14:05 PM
Not to mention you are being extremely biased now while you demanded 3 names, 5 lines earlier ago from Yono Serela and Schezo. None of the 3 actually met these conditions in my eyes if I had to judge them objectively.

Your sudden voteswap is giving me strange question marks now, Miss UncertainKitten.



OT: You need to check your bandwith for your signature :V start using tinypic :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 04:20:03 PM
Photobucket is undergoing maintenance, nothing to do with bandwidth. :V

How is hypocrisy exactly scummy, UK? A lurker can still make an excellent case on another lurker, I really wouldn't use that as a weight for scumminess.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 04:46:03 PM
Actually, the hypocrisy I'm more referring to is the whole "SCHEZO WANTED CAPT. H DEAD! NEVERMIND THAT I WAS THE ONE THAT REALLY GOT THAT WAGON GOING!" At any rate, if you are finding something scummy, then as town, you shouldn't be doing it, right? Because after all, you are a town intended person, and something a scum intended person would do shouldn't even be in your list of actions. So therefore, if your cases seem to be the pot calling the kettle black, I think you might be scum knowing what scum intended people do, or trying to fake it.

As for the change, just because they aren't lurking NOW, Hele, doesn't mean they weren't lurking before. Serela was on my list of lurkers, and had already come out pretty badly with his not following my directions at all post. Yonowaaru was worse about following it and providing less opinions, but I have high hopes for HW to either reveal he's scum or reveal he's town. I'll admit part of my vote for Yono was frustration at the utter uselessness of his player slot. Granted, the "opinions" he gave were far from town so...

Also Serela's latest post is 10 kinds of terrible. So, a confluence of factors...or maybe Fate?

Finally, the five lines thing was more a fond hope, honestly. Though Serela was the most egregious abuser.

So, tl;dr, they both can hang, I find HW to be more useful as either alignment but if he proves scum in his posting, then I'm willing to switch back to him. Oh, also, hypocrisy has scum intent behind it, see above article for details!



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 12, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Ok then.

Dormio: I found myself liking him earlier when he said stuff and didn't ramble about nothing like he has been doing recently. Though that point on Conqueror seems to be one that rings true. That's twice he's ran off after saying stuff about select people then promising more about others and just getting away with it. Please post about the others Conqueror.

It would have been cool for Bard to confirm answer my questions. :< I think he skirted around the Shadoweh ones and maybe answered the Zakeri one but I would like to know why he's cleared please unless "he makes good sense" is all it's based off of, in which case, ok.

NeoSerela: I feel just fine about my vote being on him today when his latest post is just a bunch of babbling with fluff thrown in for good measure. If the capt. H case wasn't hugely exciting, why did you stay on it instead of persuing another, more exciting one?  I mean that just reads as a go with the flow attitude that scum have no problem using and as he keeps explaining his actions, they keep seeming to contradict each other. From earlier he said that capt h would be an easy target for scum, yet in his recent post, "he ~was~ antitown so that's why he wanted to lynch him" instead of doing other things like he keeps claiming he wanted to do yesterday.

(why you all have to cut me when I'm on mah phone? ;-;)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 05:15:43 PM
Yonowaaru was worse about following it and providing less opinions, but I have high hopes for HW to either reveal he's scum or reveal he's town. I'll admit part of my vote for Yono was frustration at the utter uselessness of his player slot.
/me stares at UncertainKitten with questionable eyes and shakes his head gently.

High hopes for a new player, who is replacing the player who was until now the worst? What kind of nonsense is that? The guy did not even spoke yet and you are already neutral-ing him? Mainly because Yono was a terrible player, we know little about him. Those useless reports several people gave about him were absolutely telling nothing.


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 05:18:24 PM
HW actually plays mafia. He's worth keeping around, at least long enough to say something.

I'm...not sure what your point is at this point Hele?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
I'm...not sure what your point is at this point Hele?
Point is, until he starts posting, he is just in my eyes Yonowaaru v2.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
All right. Feel free to feel that way~. I can't really fault you for it. I just get attached to some players ^-^;.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
Oh you guys.  ::) I'd love to be able to draw up insta-rereads on people, but until I suddenly gain Super Scumhunting Powers (TM), that's not going to happen. Regardless, let's continue with the second installment. This time we'll be looking at 4 more players! The other 3 will have to wait for a few more hours.

************************Happy Happy List Time Part Two************************

Speaking of lurkers, where's Hanged Hourai again? I thought he was pretty bad at first from memory, but the posts themselves seem...ok. The downside is that they're mostly full of clarification questions and one-liners about alignment. Okay, so he doesn't look so good after all. Looking at his votes, he kept a vote parked on Helepolis for most of the day, and later promised a switch to either Dormio or capt. h for unknown reasons (and he ended up not moving the vote anyways). Low presence is not an indication of scumminess in itself, but at the same time, I'm not sure at all who Hourai thinks is scum, which is bad. Hey Hourai, who do you think is scum and why?

Dormio posts way too much, how the hell am I supposed to read all this. Hmm, currently has a D2 vote on Zakeri based on Zakeri tunneling on UK, but this is now partially invalid seeing as Zakeri came in and made a case on Schezo. I'm a bit confused, is your vote on Zakeri basically based on his ninja hammer now? I'm not sure at all who else you want to vote for - you waffle way too much. So, same question I asked Hourai goes to you: who do you think is scum and why? Also, lol at Dormio calling me out for delayed posting when you do pretty much the same thing (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600317.html#msg600317) (it's not like the rest of us don't have RL stuff either).

rdj is questionable. Scratch that, I got nothing on rdj. His votes are questionable from a wagon analysis point of view, but the reasons for the votes seem reasonably clear. PXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

Helepolis - That's weird. Even though I got a town feel from him earlier, I realized he hasn't really done anything today. You said this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599502.html#msg599502): "I will also support the plan of coming down on Lurkers hard. So I am curious if our precious Lurkers are going to show up or not. Depending on that, I will place my vote." But you've done nothing of the sort. It looks like you're sitting back and waiting for the cases to come to you, despite making no effort to draw out those cases. The lurkers, for the most part, have come in and had their say - what do you think about them now?

tl;dr version: Helepolis, Hourai, and Dormio are all suspicious because I don't know where they stand on issues. rdj looks good for now.
Ordered listing: Hourai > Helepolis > Dormio >>>>>rdj.

@Bard Re: Why am I doing reads on certain people first - Because arguing with you, UK, and/or Zakeri is going to be painful and/or time-consuming and I am not really looking forward to it. >_> I'll get to you three by the end of the day though.

Catchup: Serela's new post lumps everybody else together as town. >_> Schezo's latest post is better than Serela's. Happy with my vote where it is right now - none of the four mentioned above are worse than Serela atm.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 06:58:22 PM
Conq, that's like saying you're going for the easy targets.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
Oh! Hele! I have an idea! I'm a bit busy but if you have some free time do some vote count analysis with the flips we have regarding capt. h.'s and Zak's wagons. For the purpose of this exercise, assume Zak is town, though feel free to post one where you assume he's scum as well. I'm curious to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 07:00:11 PM
@Bard: If you're going to twist it that way, sure.  :wat: But I've stated that's not my intention, so...anyway, wait a few more hours for my next post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 07:04:59 PM
It's just that I am much more interested in who you think are scum. You've so far gone out of your way to discredit just about everyone in the game except for UK, Zak and I, stating you've only neglected doing so because we are "tough to deal with"... in other words, you think we're scummy as well.

So who, concretely, are not scummy to you? "everyone's scum!" is cools, but until you get a role that lets you kill everyone at once, it's not a helpful stance to take.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 07:15:43 PM
Scumminess is a continuum - townies can do scummy things, but scum will always somehow lurch ahead. The people I think are most likely to be scum are Serela, Hourai, Schezo, and possibly you or Zakeri pending a reread. By process of elimination, if I were to pick not scum, I'd choose me, PX, Dormio, Helepolis, UK, huh what, and possibly you or Zakeri pending a reread.

But see, just saying this is fairly useless. Do you really want me to make a detailed post on why I think certain people are more likely to be town than others?

Also, Bardiche, who do you think is scum? You haven't really done anything after claiming except plopping a vote down on Schezo for being lurky. When half the players are lurky.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 07:18:36 PM
I haven't done much because as I asserted, I can currently follow the trains of thought of nearly all active players in who they find scummy and why, and find the way their votes went to who they did to be like a mathematical equation flowing from cause to effect.

Since Schezo has always been lurking hard when he was scum with me, I determine this as a scum trait in his playstyle; he was not previously so, and I dread to think he believes himself to be putting up a good fa?ade of town as is.

The other lurkers dropped and let themselves be replaced.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 12, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
Oh! Hele! I have an idea! I'm a bit busy but if you have some free time do some vote count analysis with the flips we have regarding capt. h.'s and Zak's wagons. For the purpose of this exercise, assume Zak is town, though feel free to post one where you assume he's scum as well. I'm curious to see what you come up with.
You were spying again from the balcony in my room again, weren't you? No wonder Patchouli-sama is often angry at Miss Meiling.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 07:24:15 PM
Also Conq, no. But I want to know who of the people you listed as having scummy traits come off as town to you despite their scummy traits.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 12, 2011, 07:37:42 PM
I haven't done much because as I asserted, I can currently follow the trains of thought of nearly all active players in who they find scummy and why, and find the way their votes went to who they did to be like a mathematical equation flowing from cause to effect.

Since Schezo has always been lurking hard when he was scum with me, I determine this as a scum trait in his playstyle; he was not previously so, and I dread to think he believes himself to be putting up a good fa?ade of town as is.

By that logic, I could just take it easy all game and say, "I understand where everybody is coming from." Scum can understand townie processes too - I want to be able to see your thought process. I do agree somewhat with the point on Schezo, but meta doesn't really work that well for a player who's been continuously scum.

I guess the best way to explain it is that like you said, I can follow their lines of thought and they seem to go along with what a townie player in their situation might think. Scum might have valid thought processes as well, but their lines of thought are naturally aimed at getting mislynches on people they know are town. Naturally, it's hard to distinguish, but I can try. Take for instance, Dormio, whose waffling strikes more of indecision rather than refusal to take a position in preparation for a wagon jump. Or Helepolis, whose laid-back approach to the game seems to be the result of a different style of play rather than opportunistic scum. Or UK, whose voting pattern is suspicious at first glance but seems to be accounted for by genuine frustration and anger. Etc.

Anyway, just because I think some people are more likely to be town doesn't mean I don't want clarification from them when I see actions from them that might be scummy. That's the point of bringing these things up - so they can respond to them, and I can better see where they are coming from, and whether this direction is helpful to town or not.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2011, 08:35:19 PM
Warning - while you were typing 26 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
5:30am 6am 6:30am.
MAFIA PESCO IS RUINING MY LIFEEEEEEEEE.

Firstly, NeoSerela.
Again, I'd like to state the terrible D1 where he did nothing but jump onto bandwagons and makes a few posts on other people that all call people as being possibly town or scum.
Also, reread of Zakeri (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599573.html#msg599573), is it ever going to happen?
And NeoSerela's only cases on people are Schezo for being the first person to vote for capt. h on D1 and Yonowaaru for lurking.

I really don't like this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600590.html#msg600590) of Bardiche's.
I mean, he's just been joking around the entire game.
Combine this with the fact that he calls other people out for being spectators when he admits to doing the same thing (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600846.html#msg600846).

Uhh, running a bit low on time, seeing as I have to go out soon and I have done nothing yet.
So I'll post on Zakeri once I return from uni.


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Holy what?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 12, 2011, 08:45:43 PM
Voting
Zakeri(1): Dormio
Schezo(4): Zakeri, NeoSerela, PX, Bard (L-2)
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(1): Yonowaaru

Not Voting
Helepolis

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
24 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 12, 2011, 09:25:51 PM
How is my post an admission of "spectating", and how does my joking around validate that I am scum?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 12, 2011, 09:35:24 PM
You were spying again from the balcony in my room again, weren't you? No wonder Patchouli-sama is often angry at Miss Meiling.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/ValetVisuals/Random/chenwhat2.jpg)


So...uh...Conquerer, instead of telling us why people aren't scum, could you produce the promised reads on us stragglers? Shouldn't take too long, right~?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 12, 2011, 11:03:39 PM
Reporting for duty.

I'll re-read the thread and post when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 12, 2011, 11:57:30 PM
Totally not even going to try to read that wall fest known as Day 1 when I couldn't follow it when I was spectating.

Based on what's been going on D2, NeoSerela looks like he deserves the vote. His vote on Schezo is completely invalid now, and he's not even making an attempt to put a case, just leaving the vote there.

##Smoke
##Throw out last cigarette
##Look for money to buy more
##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 13, 2011, 12:09:53 AM
@Conqueror
The only person I really think is scum for the time being is Neo. The others in this post, I'm just suspicious of.

Neoscumrela-
Pops up later in D1 and wants to start a new wagon with no reasoning or evidence, but only if others started doing it. When I asked him on it, he says it was bad. And his hypocrisy on his case on Schezo combined with overwhelming fluffiness make him look worse to me.

Dormio-
I dunno, I just don't get good vibes. When I said how he was willing to get on both wagons with little conviction, he counters it with how he said he already didn't like them. Then he goes and says how he is willing to lynch half the people in the game.
Defends with how he was willing to wagon either person with how he already voiced willingness to lynch. Then he says how he wants to lynch 5 people. Seems like he's giving himself a cushion in the case where if it comes down to 2 wagons, and he gets on the one that flips town, he gets to say he was already suspicious of others.

And also, he jumps and says how I said that he was scummy, which I never did. Twisting my words. I said I was suspicious of him, not that he was scummy.

He likes reporting on how much time people have before a prod, which I find to just be needlessly spreading suspicion. Once they pass the deadline, sure, but before just seems to be throwing names out.

Yonopansyfordroppingout-
Is there anything left to even say at this point? Please be better than him, HW. ;-;

PX reply

BRB, crying in a corner.

Done crying, ok. D1 IS IMPORTANT, WTF ARE YOU DOING!?!?!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You took 24 hours to come up with that? Other people please?
If it wasn't for rdj convincing me so hard that he was newbtown, I don't even know.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 12:24:27 AM
That's L-1 by my count! Vote carefully.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 03:41:59 AM
##Unvote
##Switch huh what and PX
##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche
First of all, I reallllly don't like the manner in which Bardiche has been handling his apparent role. The way he responded to capt. h's original request was actually rather anti-town - by sending out another fake action, he was both potentially using it as a chance to get in another action (the use of which we can not be sure of) and encouraging capt. h's pursuit regarding the role. The townie thing to do would have simply been to ignore the matter or deny the request without posting any fake actions, thus not drawing more attention from scum and having a lower chance into trapping the possible town!capt. h into rolefishing. The first instance of this could have at least been passed off as earlygame jokery, but it still does not excuse Bardiche's further shenanigans at the start of day 2 here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598946.html#msg598946) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598990.html#msg598990), which have the same problem. I'm not buying into the idea that Bard should be cleared due to his roleclaim either, Serp's D1 posting patterns showed little suspicion against Shadoweh, which makes it hard to buy that he would have vigged her out of nowhere. Additionally, the flavor character that is apparently Bardiche's role could easily have entirely different functions than what Bard claimed (ie, causing the target to explode at the end of the day, killing them), so accepting the claim just because of flavor is silly. It should also be noted that Bardiche's role combined with the results of D1 make it easy for him to confuse town in regards to how scum's killing powers work, though I'm not entirely sure that this is the case here. If Bard is scum, I don't think that he turns people into bombs in the mafia sense, though.

Roles aside, his play itself did not seem particularly town-aligned. I dislike how easily he jumped off of rdj and handeled his Zak vote - he says that he found rdj to be badtown when unvoting, but what is it about rdj that caused Bard to feel rdj was more badtown than newbscum? An explanation for that seems to be missing. Furthermore, the jump on Zakeri that follows actually feels like a weaker case than his vote on rdj since Zak had at least provided an opinion unlike rdj, yet even after Bard seems to find Zakeri's point more acceptable (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598003.html#msg598003), he still appears to be ignoring rdj and has Zak as his second priority even after claiming he was ready to move on from the Zak case. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598155.html#msg598155) Considering that there were already two votes at the time Bardiche jumped on to Zakeri, it seems as if Bard was simply finding a nice wagon to rest on at the time. His later hop back onto Zakeri seems to support this theory of the original vote being an attempt to get onto a wagon, since Zakeri was suddenly even more of a viable lynch following Dormio's vote. Even the later voteswitch to capt. h made little sense, Zakeri was still a possibility for a lynch and there was no real reason for Bardiche not to stick to his guns at that point, and he also yet again failed to properly explain what made him so willing to vote his new target over his previous one. Going for the easier target, perhaps? A lack of proper stances on anybody other than Zakeri and a weak lurker meta-vote today is disheartening as well.

Naturally, a lot of this is less valid if Zak turns up scum any time soon, but considering the way everything has gone so far, I am more inclined to believe the Bard/Zak interactions are scum chasing after a townie.

tl;dr Bard ditched his previous cases on D1 multiple times in favor of weaker cases without properly explaining his switch, and the center case of his on that day seemed like he was scum resting his vote on a wagon. This was topped off by an unexplained late-in-the-day hop to the easiest wagon at the time, which then flipped town.

As for others, I don't like how much Serela has been buddying up to Bardiche so far this game, and his D1 stance on town!capt. h looks bad in light of the flip and the case on Schezo is hilariously weak. Not much to say on that that hasn't already been said, but out of all the current wagons, I would want Serela gone the most as I pretty much agree with most of the votes on him despite having little to add. I also thought rdpx's IIoA+lack of a serious vote until he was pressured looked bad on D1 (hence me not believing Bard's hop off of him was justified), and his willingness to jump off of Serela just because of the flimsy Schezo case. Alongside that, PX's sudden placement of Serela at L-1 + refusal to read D1 seems like something that would come from a lazy scum replacement to me. Dormio is unmemorable and might be worth looking into as well because I think that the Zak wagon was bad news despite its lack of a flip. I keep forgetting Hourai is playing too and that's probably a bad sign. Not willing to buy into the Schezo case because I don't see much in it beyond "he's lurking", and Schezo's capt. h vote actually felt solid to me even if it did start a wagon.

Priorities are currently something along the lines of Bard > Serela >> rdpx >>> Dormio and Hourai > everyone unmentioned > self, basically. As a warning, I probably won't be able to post after this until the next time the mod is online, so expect inactivity.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 03:49:10 AM
Ididn'tthinkthatwould
beawall.Apologies.Nevermind
aboutmyinactivitybythe
way,hopefullythisshallsuffice.
We'llseehowitgoes.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 03:56:08 AM
/me slow claps

WELL then, HW. That...ah...took care of most of my complaints about Yono, really. And it's a pretty decent analysis. I'll want to reread Bard sometime tomorrow (going to bed soon), but you might be onto a thing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 04:35:55 AM
Currently *attempting* to read the crapfest known as D1, I have to ask something. How is putting a person at L-1 at this point a scumtell? It has been confirmed that we can talk during Twilight. The only thing that changes is that the lynch for the day is set and votes cannot change.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 04:39:40 AM
I don't think you're scum for putting a person at L-1, just for the manner in which you went about doing so.

That, and there's always the possibility that the hammered player could have produced something to change everybody's mind, ie a proper roleclaim.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 04:42:05 AM
... In hindsight, I guess I didn't explain that very well when attacking you.

Basically, I felt that your vote on Serela was a rushed votepark coming from somebody who was being inattentive and didn't realize he was placing Serela at L-1. Considering that Serela is a dominant wagon right now, this type of laziness seems more likely to come from unmotivated scum who just replaced in than town, in my opinion.
I'm more willing to suspect you for rdj's play than your recent actions, though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 04:46:53 AM
At this point, I really wouldn't care for roleclaims after all the crap that happened last game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 13, 2011, 04:53:01 AM
Voting
Zakeri(1): Dormio
Schezo(3): Zakeri, NeoSerela,  Bard (L-3)
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(1): huh what

Not Voting
Helepolis, PX

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
~15 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
GDI huh what

Anyways, just read Bard in ISO, which lead a little to Zakeri and those who voted for him early, and I can say that Bard doesn't look good. Early day 1 shenanigans, then completely throwing away his case at the end and shutting up for the rest of the day. Then immediately jumping back on to his D1 vote with a completely null reason. Throw in the fact that he's throwing chaos and confusion around, as well as lying everywhere. In fact, I think his claim is a lie, as if you actually skimmed through the list of characters, his remuneration is a lie. I'm going to say that the roles are accurate with the actual characters in the show. Anyways, sleep time. I'll try to get more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 06:48:39 AM
Bleh, words.
And I'm tired.
And dual replacements makes my head hurt.
Anyway.

Uhh, am I the only one not liking Zakeri's posts #489 and #496?
I mean he admits as much that his case on Schezo is for lurking, and that he was just as happy to switch to Yonowaaru for the same reason.
Then he follows up with lynching lurkers is good because you get to analyze their wagons.
Is it just me, or does this seem like an easy way to get town lynches?

huh what's post looks good, but I'm going to wait on more content from him and PX before I make a proper evaluation.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:43:56 AM
Anyway, since apparently nobody cares about Zakeri, let us move on for the moment.

Current wagons are NeoSerela and Schezo.
I can't really see anything about Schezo that would put him as a higher priority than Bardiche or NeoSerela to me.

NeoSerela keeps disappearing, I wonder what he's going to do about the scrutiny over his Schezo vote?
And what's up with that vote anyway?
#451: What's so bad about Zakeri ninja hammering? -> Schezo and Yonowaaru are lurking, let's lynch them.
I mean, like, you know, the ninja hammer was enabled by lurking and stuff.

As for Bardiche, as earlier stated is spreading confusion amongst town.
Also, I'm not liking how he has made an excuse for himself to gain an instant lurk button.
How is my post an admission of "spectating", and how does my joking around validate that I am scum?
I may be misinterpreting, but when you say yourself that you "haven't done much" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600846.html#msg600846), instead favoring observing the other players to see their trains of thought without really posting much of your own, I think I'll take it as spectating.

Also, why is it that these two seem to be on such good terms with each other?
I mean, I'm finding interactions between them fishy in general.
Like how NeoSerela just takes Bardiche's "price" as fact without questioning it. (#471)
Or their cute little spat in #502~#505.
They're also voting together and stuff.
And also, what's up with the sudden shift in NeoSerela's attitude on how Bardiche knew Shadoweh was a bomb, anyway?
In #413 NeoSerela says he believes in Bardiche's QT with Shadoweh, but in #466 this changed to "obviously Bardiche turned Shadoweh into a bomb".
Am I the only one thinking that Unmask (rolecop?) is Bardiche's real role and that Shadoweh was a bomb naturally?

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche

Willing to swap to NeoSerela to put him to L-1 or something.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:46:55 AM
I may be misinterpreting, but when you say yourself that you "haven't done much" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600846.html#msg600846), instead favoring observing the other players to see their trains of thought without really posting much of your own, I think I'll take it as spectating.
Also, since I know Bardiche is going to contest this, I want to ask you all something.
Naturally, I don't expect any of you to answer it but think about it, do any of you know what Bardiche thinks of anyone?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:54:24 AM
I mean, seriously, he keeps calling for other's opinions whilst the only ones he gave were pretty much:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
@Mod: Shouldn't the first post be changed to reflect the new playerlist?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
Also, what's with the calling out Schezo on lurking, when people like Hanged Hourai have been doing pretty much the same?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
On the note of lurkers, has Zakeri been prodded yet?

Timezones are awesome.
Nobody is on during my afternoon and day ends/begins at 7am. :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:50:02 AM
So, to summarize, I think that Zakeri, Bardiche and NeoSerela are scum.
I mean, for how gung-ho Bardiche seems to be about lynching lurkers right now, he sure seemed to be going easy on Zakeri when he lurked just as hard as the others.
And NeoSerela's random defence of Zakeri's ninja hammer.
I think I'm going insane right now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:50:10 AM
Also, triple posting, the most town?
Hah, I think not.
Triple triple posting is where the real town is at.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Helepolis OMGus'd me, y'know. I voted him before he voted me, because he was permitting someone to direct his vote which is not at all pro-town.

Read what people say before you represent the matter, will you? :V Also are you really sure that you want to try and hammer me, because I will take the hammer bro down with me~ Just saunter into a Schezo lynching future instead, it's way better and the way he shuts up right now isn't becoming!

Think about it. Replacements may be annoying, but they're nothing compared to people who don't play the game and get a free pass for it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
I'll respond to Huh What when I get home, but for now let's respond to Dormio.

I never said I favoured observing the other players. I simply said my game strategy for this game involved being absolutely useless until I could strike. Are we reading the same posts?

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In #413 NeoSerela says he believes in Bardiche's QT with Shadoweh, but in #466 this changed to "obviously Bardiche turned Shadoweh into a bomb".

This is actually a pretty damn good point: Serela says either I made Shadoweh a bomb, or really had a QT with her, then somehow thinks the former is more likely... despite a bomb-maker being a rather unprecedented role and it would actually be the less likely role. Unless Serela knows things we don't! So Serela, whazzup.

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Am I the only one thinking that Unmask (rolecop?) is Bardiche's real role and that Shadoweh was a bomb naturally?

If I did, then what was my renumeration for unmasking so early in the game, and what in my behaviour or that of others makes you believe I have knowledge of your role? Moreover, had I known Shadoweh's role, how does this explain anything regarding my behaviour? Were I scum, I needn't know someone's role to buddy up to them, I already know who would be town or not, right?

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In fact, I think his claim is a lie, as if you actually skimmed through the list of characters, his remuneration is a lie.

I don't know about you, but talking after drinking hot milk is not on my list of hobbies.

My claim being a lie is silly; what merit would scumBard have in breadcrumbing his role, when I could just as well not breadcrumb anything? For that matter, on basis of what do you consider it unlikely that I actually turned Shadoweh into a bomb, and why would you call me on my bluff to turn myself into a bomb and kill the last player to vote me? You'd be at no risk, unless you're now stating that you're prepared to hammer me if it looks the lynch wagon goes my way!

Consider it this way: if I really am a bombmaker and I am town, and I follow through with my threat to turn myself into a bomb... is it not obviously to scum's merit to deal with me as soon as possible, and is convincing me they are town not the best way to become bombs themselves? Your thought pattern does not account for the abusability of my role by those not partisan to town. Scum!Bard would've bombified his scumbuddies, not a random town; discouraging people from taking down the scums is the best use of the role for a Scum!Bard, and if the claim is false, well, that is easily verifiable, is it not?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 01:15:07 PM
In fact, I'll lay down the gauntlet:

If you think my role is a lie, kindly be the one to lay down the hammer on the lynch target of the day, but only after I've touched them. You can be the one to evidence whether I am lying or not. If I am lying, you won't die and you can lynch me after for being lying scum. If you DO die, then that should confirm my role, and thus the truth of my words, no?

Alright, headed home now, I'll read Huh What after that and respond to him as necessary.

Meanwhile, vote Schezo, seriously. This much lurking hurts town, and in the absense of a plethora of scumtells from the rest of town, he is easily the best target for our lynching fury, especially given the sparseness of opinions provided.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 13, 2011, 01:27:16 PM
Voting
Schezo(3): Zakeri, NeoSerela,  Bard (L-3)
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(2): huh what, Dormio

Not Voting
Helepolis, PX

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
over 7 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
fasdfbivbsdifads

Right now 6:30 post, and I just realized I'm gone at deadline. =\

Eh anyways, I won't believe your role claim unless you actually prove it.

Evidently you want us to vote Schezo because he is lurking? Aren't half the people doing that?

Seriously, you can half ass a better case than that, no?

Everyone, please support my smoking habit. I need smokes dammit!

##Vote: Bardiche
Now that that's settled.
##Freeze: Bardiche
Huh What, I see great synergy with our powers. Feel free to switch my vote to NeoSerela if you can if it's needed for the lynch.

*Takes out the last cigarette and lights it up*
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
Okay, I'm going to make this short and simple. And ignore the role shenanigans that seem to be going on with huhwhat/PX.

Yes, I've been terrible. Yes, I think I'm the most likely of our wagons to be lynched today. No, I'm not scum, and I want to help out town.

First of all, I am Kiko Kayanuma, human!

I am a human otaku who ships yaoi pairings.

That's about it.

Now, since this obviously isn't going to stop the lynch on me, now for the more important thing I have to say. I'm going to make this easy for town, and accept Bard's "guantlet". You all may decide on who you want Bard to bombify, and I will hammer them. You'll get rid of me and someone else at the same time. Basically a double lynch, plus it will prove Bard's power! (or uh, not a double lynch and prove Bard is lying scum)

oh also ##Unvote
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
hmm, so, Caedo has gone into ~*~conspiracy theory land~*~. Secondly, Caedo, why am I *not* scum for going for lurker lynches, if everyone else is?

I...don't see any issues on the surface of Serela's plan. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious? Anyway, going to work and then do my Bardreadche.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Helepolis looked at the sky as the sun slowly took its path to sunset. The sky coloured bit orange. Night was slowly making its entrance as the birds were regrouping, preparing to sleep together. Some birds seem to join later than the others. And some are flying solo around probably not belonging with the others.

He saw an owl flying by and noticed a stray cat taking in the last bits of solar energy.

Chimes in the sound announced the time. It was getting late. But Helepolis kept sitting on the balcony, staring at the birds.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 03:56:55 PM
helepolis it'd be cool if you kind of like

actually said some stuff about the game instead of -just- rping, you know

Come to think of it you've barely said anything other then a few pokes on UK since like, 2 RL days ago. ):
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Hmm that gauntlet seems sound... Maybe. I have to reread and check something.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 04:03:37 PM
Fine then, seems like people are fooling around. Have you just realised what Px did? You know what that means dont you? I hope hourai and hw would stop flying around solo and start flying in groups.



Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Huh What, I see great synergy with our powers. Feel free to switch my vote to NeoSerela if you can if it's needed for the lynch.

Where did Huh What claim any powers?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
Have you just realised what Px did? You know what that means dont you?
No, I don't. I have absolutely no idea what ##Freeze does. Are you claiming to know this?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
You people... Read hw swap post and then read the next votecount post. Get the clue? Now take a look what px did and guess the vote pattern now.

Most likely another trap is set on bard. Because gdi hourai is screwing around.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 04:12:31 PM
Hourai and hw are screwing around. Especially hw now...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 04:13:20 PM
Huh What's case on me is basically, "Bardiche derp'd D1", which was entirely my intention, as I admitted earlier. A hazardous side-effect of intentional derpplay, I'm sure, but Huh What fails to elucidate why this would be in line with a Scum!Bard modus operandi, given previous play not indicating I would haphazardly jump around in what is obviously not pro-town behaviour.

So tell me, Huh What, how exactly does the behaviour make sense for a Scum!Bard, other than the explanation I provided for Town!Bard engaging in shenanigans?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Also, just realised Dormio neglected responding to my question: "How does 'spectating' equate to 'Bardiche is scum'?"

Lurking hardcore like Schezo is also spectating, yet this does not equate him to scum. Why?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
I'll say what I think about you Bard anyway.
Why is it so hard to grasp that people think you scum?  You play hasn't been protown especially with the recent misrep, Shadoweh was buddying up to you, not the other way around like you would have us to believe. Not only that, you honestly want your game play to hold that you can read everyones thoughts and can wait for your chance to strike when you deem worthy?  If all of the town did that we would all just get killed and scum would win. So really how are you any better than me, who I seem to be the target of your tunneling when others are lurking just as much, Hourai and Zak or are active lurking like you and Helepolis.  Why am I the only one you target for lurking when there are others?  And it goes beyond that as to why others think you are scum. You are drawing up emotions and frustration for just about every town here, I know I can feel them, so please stop writing off your motives on using the bomb as just, "why would scum Bard want to lay bombs and kill townies and not make my scum buddies bombs?" well in the first place, you could be lying about bomb making at all and it seems we can prove it today. Second why wouldn't scum make a townie a bomb who could take other townies with her if people did catch on to her strange play and buddying up to you and she later got mislynchd?  Or vigged out if nowhere like the nights events just played out so well.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
How can everyone seriously be frustrated? I mean, come on, I have to suffer people doing weird things each game, I don't get to do weird things for once?

Well, whatever. If I'm really such a point of frustration for people, I'll get that modkill rolling since I don't want to ruin the game for others.

If you have reasons to vote me BESIDE that you're annoyed, get on that, and I'll make a bomb out of the towniest town I can find in the game. If I decide to bombify myself, and you're town, for god's sake don't hammer me if you're a good power role.

If you agree that someone else is scummier, well, I'd recommend Schezo. :V Not only because lurking but as I said, opinions he gives? Not much.

This is his (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg597320.html#msg597320) first real post and you know, it ends on capt h being "strangest" and "not pro-town", without ever voting him for being scummy. Most of the stuff on capt h is reporting, then saying capt h needs to make up his mind. OK, but which stance did you like best, and why was he scummiest?
He doesn't post again until the Day's almost over (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598231.html#msg598231), stating such gems as:
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Ugh, beyond that I would like him to die since he has nothing to really say about others and everything else about him has already been beat over the head with a stick.
On Zakeri... when this is Schezo's second post with opinions. He iterates that his vote stays on Capt h, but the reasons are... lackluster at best, and the entiriety of D1 he has discussed Zakeri, Helepolis and Capt H. With a one-liner about me being wacky but interesting.

His reasons for voting me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599291.html#msg599291) aren't entirely bright, as he claims I jumped off the capt h case to look town... but then doesn't explain why I would want to jump back on capt h. That he later acknowledges I did so does nothing to explain why it was so damning.

Still talking about Helepolis and Zakeri.

Aaaand there's nothing of value elsewhere instead of a vote on NeoSerela (understandable) and some complaints about me. The argument in his latest post is sily ("Why would I do X?" - "Because you could be lying." -> "Second, WIFOM!").

Does that answer your question of "Why me?", Schezo?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:40:49 PM

tl;dr version of the post I was going to write because I should get this out before I get cut again.

************************Happy Happy List Time Part Three************************

Bardiche is as unreadable as ever. Bard is suspicious as hell this game. I've previously pointed out why I thought his vote switches from and to capt. h were suspicious, and he's spent most of the game prancing around and generally playing with the Idiot Ball. I can further elaborate on this later. Now we get to the problem of his claim. The problem with scum!Bard is that it would require him to crumb his role in the early game, prance around like an idiot for the rest of the day, pissing off half the town in the process, and all this for a chance at setting up a fakeclaim. This would be a scum gambit of mind-blowing stupidity. I agree with Bard in that scum!bombmaker Bard would have no reason not to bombify capt. h; especially given how he spent a lot of day 1 touching capt. h anyway, it would have been easy to slip a fake command in there. And townies would never know what happened (as the end of day flip and the night flips are revealed simultaneously), because Bard would have no reason to claim.
Bardiche's immediate reaction to the end of D1 flips is interesting. He immediately assumes that Serp vigs Shadoweh, a situation I think is highly unlikely as previously stated. There was also no need for Bard to soft claim at that moment in time - as scum or town - so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Anyway, from what I can conclude there are a few possibilities.
1) Bard is a liar and his role is something like huh what suggested - he blows people up instead of bombifying them.
2) Bard is telling the truth and there is some sort of bus driver or role redirector out there who switched Shadoweh and UK. I say UK because from looking at Serp's posting history, if he did have a vig, he would have targeted UK or one of the lurkers (or Zakeri, forgot about him).
3) Bard is telling the truth and there are some other silly roles out there that I won't even bother speculating.

Right now I'm actually leaning towards option 2 or 3 for reasons stated.

The problem with NeoSerela's plan is that even if Bard isn't lying about his claim, that doesn't mean he's town - it just makes it more likely he is town. But being able to verify Bard's role is nice, I suppose. If we are going to go by that plan, then I think Schezo would be the best option at the moment. I'm not going to be around at day end though, so if we do decide this we should do it quickly.

UK and Zakeri post coming up in a few minutes.

Warning - while you were typing 49 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. YEAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2011, 05:43:21 PM
Except for the part where you dont compared me to the others but ok, this point is more important that you just made:
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The argument in his latest post is sily ("Why would I do X?" - "Because you could be lying." -> "Second, WIFOM!").
So what you're telling me is I took the trap of a WIFOM loaded question you asked to at least two others and now I'm scummy for that?  How do you honestly answer that question without being Bard when we don't know what you are thinking?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
Quote from: Conqueror
The problem with NeoSerela's plan is that even if Bard isn't lying about his claim, that doesn't mean he's town - it just makes it more likely he is town. But being able to verify Bard's role is nice, I suppose. If we are going to go by that plan, then I think Schezo would be the best option at the moment. I'm not going to be around at day end though, so if we do decide this we should do it quickly.

We seem to have a small problem here though, mainly I am concerned about huh what. He is most likely stuck on Bardiche vote because of his power backfire. The question is, what will the Serela bandwagoners do in the next hours...

Also, you and Hourai are still fooling around. I highly doubt HW can do anything any more. Mainly as he warned already.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:48:58 PM
Also, Helepolis, what in Pete's sake are you doing? We can all tell huh what, PX, and the rest are screwing around with their powers. Get an opinion post out now so we know where you stand on things. As in, I want to know who you think is scum, not who you think is screwing around - that would be basically everybody at this point.

Cut: Eh?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:50:18 PM
We seem to have a small problem here though, mainly I am concerned about huh what. He is most likely stuck on Bardiche vote because of his power backfire.

Actually, please elaborate on this. What "power backfire"?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
Two is ridiculous on the basis that the bomb died. I am notified when the bomb I made dies, and unless it became Serpentarius, then Shadoweh was my bomb, she was killed, and it is highly likely the attacker died.

The only other option is if there IS a driver who made me bombify Serpentarius and Shadoweh attacked herself which was then redirected to Serpentarius, or scum can ignore bombs.


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why wouldn't scum make a townie a bomb who could take other townies with her if people did catch on to her strange play and buddying up to you and she later got mislynchd?

I mean that I cannot answer this question. Yeah, the reasons for why I would do X are all WIFOM, I s'pose, so you can just stop thinking about why I would do what I do!

But no, the question I asked Zak is to highlight why it is more likely behaviour to attribute to scum than to an honest town. Each interpretation of actions is two-sided, and you can always present the other side and argue why this is not the case to you.

I provided an explanation for my side; you didn't provide an explanation as to how a Scum!Me would bank off of that given the nature of my power? It would be damn good play to play a townShadoweh that way.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
EBWOTP: Also, what's this statement that Hourai is screwing around supposed to mean anyway? You keep repeating it, yet I can't remember anything Hourai has done without looking back at his posts.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:59:16 PM
Two is ridiculous on the basis that the bomb died. I am notified when the bomb I made dies, and unless it became Serpentarius, then Shadoweh was my bomb, she was killed, and it is highly likely the attacker died.

The only other option is if there IS a driver who made me bombify Serpentarius and Shadoweh attacked herself which was then redirected to Serpentarius, or scum can ignore bombs.

Huh? I meant 2) in the sense of night actions, as in someone somehow redirected Serp's kill from whoever it was aimed at to Shadoweh. I'm not sure what you read my original point as?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:00:49 PM
"bus driver" usually makes all actions that hit x hit y instead, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:04:32 PM
Speaking of which, we have no idea of knowing whether Serp actually had a kill or not. Everybody is just assuming it for some reason, because it fits in with Bard's story.

@Bard: Are you suggesting a bus driver that is active at all times of the day? I have a feeling we're approaching this from completely different angles.
This is what I was thinking.
1) You bombify Shadoweh
2) Night falls
3) X is switched with Shadoweh
4) Serp sends a kill in on X
5) Serp and Shadoweh die.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
Ah, like that. True, that could work. I don't know how else the mystery of the bomb can be explained unless it was magic used by the Golden Witch Beatrice.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:06:54 PM
Aaaaaaaaand we burn daylight with this speculation. Hate to break y'all outta your rut here but I kind of want to get a lynch today so we clear at least someone's alignment here and there, maybe clear some living players in the process, eh wot?

I'm all for lynching Serela as well, given it's a matter of Not Me over Me, and Schezo's lynch doesn't seem to be happening too brightly.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:08:13 PM
Actually, please elaborate on this. What "power backfire"?
Bardiche suposingly got silenced after he used his right? If you go backtrack, that is confirmed. Indeed the moment Bard used his power on Shadoweh, he got silenced.

Most likely PX got the powers of Kazuhiko Inoue , who is able to freeze liquid, even human blood it is stated. His cigarette smoking also confirms the character. The question is, did PX freeze Bardiche's movements or did PX freeze himself... Looking at the command carefully, I am being worried Bardiche got frozen. Aka he might not be able talk or vote.

Look at at #535 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601497.html#msg601497) and the last lines from his previous. HW first switched out PX with his powers, but makes me wonder why he used if it allows the "victim" to replace their vote. This is the confusing part. If Huh what was trying to help Town, he failed because PX strikes back.

Hourai contributed 0% useful information and has been on Serela since 2nd vote count. Either he is being extremely bad scumhunter or being a scum himself. Hence I am requesting him to stop screwing around and start doing something instead of vote-camping.

Speaking of votecamping, Dormio is a good one as well. Interesting to see him switching over to Bardiche with terrible reasoning. Especially after PX used his powers. Most likely, Dormio is trying to fly under the radar. If I analyse his voting pattern, they make 0 sense in comparison to his posts. Also suddenly he writes like 7-8 posts? For what reason?

If there are four scums in this game, it is matter of time again until they are online. And guess who is currently close to lynching? I am not going to speed up that process. This is why Conqueror, if you think Bard is town, get your ass on Schezo and same goes for Hourai. As I won't be surprised if the Serela-wagon will shift to Bardiche.

The only way to lynch Schezo is by Serela, you, Hourai.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:09:59 PM
Fuck misstypes
The next two lines of my post were suppose to be...


Most likely PX got the powers of Kazuhiko Inoue , who is able to freeze liquid, even human blood it is stated. His cigarette smoking also confirms the character. The question is, did PX freeze Bardiche's movements or did PX freeze himself... Looking at the command carefully, I am being worried Bardiche got frozen. HW also used powers and warned us, he might not be able talk or vote.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:16:37 PM
Or maybe he just roleblocked me! In fact, I should prrrrrrrobably try that out, but my renumeration means I also can't move my vote, and I kinda want a lynch today on someone.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:17:05 PM
And wow, Helepolis delivers. You need to post like that more often.
Anyway, you miss the point where we can lynch NeoSerela because you and Bardiche both vote Serela.

I have 45 minutes left before I have to go to class, so I'll get a real quick version of my Zak and UK post out.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Bard, trying moving your vote and ask for a votecount afterwards.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:22:11 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: PX


K.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
MOD: REQUESTING VOTECOUNT
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 13, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
Voting
Schezo(2): Zakeri,  Bard
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(3): huh what, Dormio, PX (L-3)

Not Voting
Helepolis, NeoSerela

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
over 2 hours remain

edit: oops miscounted the time.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:26:52 PM
I will assume the following:
- Huh what is silenced. Because of usage of powers.
- PX is silenced, he used his powers and now is silent. Also he did what he had to do, lay trap on Bardiche for Lynch-3. Basically 3 scum buddies ( assuming max 4 ) required as I suspect Dormio as the 4th scum.
- Bardiche is frozen, most likely he wont be able to bomb, maybe not even change his vote.

Worst case scenario, we will have to Lynch Serela, but then there is NK powers. . . I don't know who will bite the dust a long. Unless Serela starts doing something again instead of doing what I was suppose to be doing. I have been polishing up my Gungnir for this long and now something like this happens.

IF Hourai is Town, he is doing extremely terrible job. Players like him automatically turn Scums into majority and Townies into minority, because vote-camping. There you have it Conqueror, so decide carefully what you want to do.

Serela, why are you suddenly silent after I explained you the HW part. You asked me it, what the hell are you now doing/thinking?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The grouping birds from earlier make it look as if they are dancing without worries. But then, Helepolis spots suddenly unusual birds within the group as well as a trouble bird. His eyes widen as he stands up and carefully looks at the group of birds.

"This is...?." he speaks and spawns a Spear the Gungnir in his left hand. He grasps his hand firmly around it.... "My Lady..."


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:30:04 PM
huh what was still talking after his wall - I think he was just referring to general inactivity.

I think Bard is probably the only contractor who has a "shut up" renumeration.

@Bard - What do you think about bombifying yourself?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 06:34:52 PM
Serela, why are you suddenly silent after I explained you the HW part. You asked me it, what the hell are you now doing/thinking?
I was simply wondering why you acted as if you knew what other people's powers did.

Anyway, I'm being lazy because I'm either being lynched or being a sacrificial lamb to hammer a possibly-a-bomb. Either way I'm dead :P

Are we going to have me hammer someone who's been bomb'd (At this point either Schezo or Bard) or just lynch me? It'd be cool to know.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:37:45 PM
Schezo cannot be bombed, lacking 1 person. You can be lynched by just me and Conqueror. Bardiche can be Lynched no matter who does what. Conqueror, even if he did use his bombing powers, the effect won't be able to be noticed until Day-end.

Seeing his vote did not change, I am almost sure he cannot use his powers either.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:38:11 PM
Voteblocking seems like such an unhelpful town ability. Use it on LyLo and you deprive town of that painfully necessary vote.

PX, explain yourself.



Conq, that is extremely unhelpful. It has the risk of derptown trying to call a bluff that's for reals, and it'd disable the power for further use.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:40:55 PM
Super quick tl;dr summary because I have to do something else.

UK: UK's ED1 has been discussed to death already, so let's skip that. I think the one thing that stands out to me about UK is her voting pattern. She seems to mainly get by on strength of words when it comes to voting. Case in point: her vote switches to capt. h and Yonuwaaru feel more like votes out of frustration rather than for scumminess. It's like she's playing up her emotions for the purpose of getting a vote out in lieu of having a clear, laid-out case. Then again, this is supposedly what UK does, and I thought she was scum last game when she did the same thing.  ::)

Zakeri: I already talked about his day one. Let's look at his day two. Votes Schezo. Promises to look over NeoSerela. Disappears for the rest of the day. ಠ_ಠ

Zak is likely scum, UK is suspicious but I read neutral on her.


@Bard: What do you suggest then, seeing as your vote has been neutered for the rest of the day?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:43:05 PM
I'm not entirely sure what PX hopes to accomplish, because all he's done now is lock me to where I am comfortable having my vote, with the only bar being that I can no longer lynch NeoSerela if I must for the sake of self-preservation.

I suggest I'm going to saunter over and touch someone and see what happens. Preferably our lynch target and having the second scummiest person lynch 'em to both evidence I'm a bombmaker AND to rid ourselves of two scummy players in one day, but given part of the people think I am such, and one of those people's neutered town's vote... Well! I dunno, I'm not entirely clear yet but we have around 2 hours to decide, right?


So how do you feel about Schezo, Conq? :b I missed it! Would you gaily vote him for JUSTICE!!?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:45:53 PM
Also, if their renumeration for PX and HW is to shut up, it means they are incredibly anti-town because they did not drive forth a particularly strong case (imo) and locked themselves off with a convenient excuse not to explain their vote, and they would not be able to change my vote: I was specifically told that my renumeration also meant my vote cannot be changed, and I doubt PX/HW would not realise this same thing if they had the same renumeration.

So yeah, if they claim tomorrow their renumeration is to shut up, then basically they're admitting to rashly using a power and conveniently escaping responsibility for whether or not town achieves a lynch! This would be far more unhelpful than anything I've yet done because blocking town's lynch is simply not pro-town.

I mean, unless it's on yourself, since you know you're town and all. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 06:48:45 PM
About Helepolis saying we can't lynch Schezo, sure we can! Just not in the next 10 seconds. With you(Helepolis) and Conq switching over to him we'd just need to wait for someone else to come online to vote him in the next 2~ hours, and then I can hammer, and poof, me and Schezo are both bye-bye. We're probably the scummiest looking people here anyway!

And if that doesn't work people can switch back onto me by deadline, we've got time.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:49:59 PM
Neo's got guts at least by willingly throwing herself to my bomb. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 06:50:45 PM
Schezo looks pretty bad.
I still think Serela looks worse than Schezo. Especially given that Serela has just given up while Schezo is still putting out material.
If need be, I would switch to Schezo for a lynch, but I'm not even sure there are enough people to do that.

If I am supposed to switch I'll need to do so within the next twenty minutes. I'll be on and off till then because I need to read what Engel v. Vitale is all about.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:52:59 PM
Bardiche, I don't get the powerusage of PX and Huh what.  HW basically force-unvoted PX from Neoserela then votes for you. The next moment PX votes you and freezes you. This is what confuses me the most. If HW was trying to do something useful for Town, he messed up big time.

we'd just need to wait for someone else to come online
Guess 3x why the hell I have been holding off my vote? That person who is most likely going to come online is only Hourai now.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
Just getting this out for PX as well~

Early day 1 shenanigans, then completely throwing away his case at the end and shutting up for the rest of the day.

My vote was where I wanted it to be, and short of getting myself modkilled there was little else I could do. :V

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as well as lying everywhere.
(please cite sources)

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In fact, I think his claim is a lie, as if you actually skimmed through the list of characters, his remuneration is a lie.

How would I otherwise prove I've drank hot milk?


---

And yeah, the "synergy" PX is talking about is scary, and HW's stated reasons for unvoting Serela are lost on me. PX locking my vote has very few pro-town applications, and unless he is sure my vote being on Schezo is harmless, I don't see the profit in locking my vote to Schezo at all.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 07:02:56 PM
Still confused about post #535. . . pondering . . .
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 07:17:15 PM
Well, okay, I have to scram now. I'm not seeing a Schezo lynch gaining momentum over a Serela lynch, and in any case the latter is the better lynch imo.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 07:23:28 PM
It is 5am 5:30am and I hate everything.
Anyway.

Is it just me, or has Helepolis spent all of D2 doing nothing?
And Zakeri has disappeared into the abyss.

Anyway.
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
PX, why would you freeze Bardiche's vote?

Also suddenly he writes like 7-8 posts? For what reason?
⑨ posts.
Because you people left me all alone in the topic for 7 hours.

I want to see either a NeoSerela lynch or a Bardiche lynch.

Ugh, I can't read at 5am.

@Mod: Votecount, please.

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 13, 2011, 07:26:31 PM
Voting
Schezo(2): Zakeri,  Bard
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(3): huh what, Dormio, PX (L-3)

Not Voting
Helepolis, NeoSerela

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
84 minutes remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 07:35:59 PM
I like how Bardiche calls having a "stop talking remuneration"  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602110.html#msg602110) incredibly anti town when he claimed the same remuneration.

Also, just realised Dormio neglected responding to my question: "How does 'spectating' equate to 'Bardiche is scum'?"
Spectating, in combination with all the other crap you've been pulling, makes you look scummy.

Also, what's with all you people ignoring NeoSerela for the most part.
I mean, the only reason I didn't put my vote on NeoSerela and put it on Bardiche instead was because I didn't want to put someone at L-1 when we still had around 12 hours left in the day.

Making another post when I organize my thoughts some more.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
I hate timezones. :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 07:47:47 PM
So then Dormio, who would you like to see get Lynched before the 70 minutes are over? Schezo, Serela or Bardiche and why?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
Where did Huh What claim any powers?
He can apparently swap his vote with somebody else.
This doesn't seem to stop either the target or himself from simply unvoting/revoting again though.

I kinda want to see NeoSerela go down more now because of the whole "I'm already dead anyway so I don't care" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601907.html#msg601907) thing.
And did everyone that isn't Bardiche just ignore what I had to say about NeoSerela?

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Like I said, I want to see either Bardiche or NeoSerela lynched.
And allow me to ask you the same question, Mr. I'm not going to vote for anyone over the course of the whole day.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:05:15 PM
To answer that question: You should start reading better.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:17:58 PM
Read... what exactly?

Oh, found it.
You voted for Bardiche early in the day, then unvoted and disappeared.
In other words you've spent 59 hours without a vote on anyone, which is pretty much a whole day.
Not to mention how that vote only stuck for, what? One hour?
You're not answering the question though.
We have 45 minutes left and you've yet to put down a vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:23:54 PM
I like how you try to play dumb.

All you need to know is, I'll be holding my Gungnir for a little longer in my hand.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 08:30:20 PM
Of course the game fucking explouds while I'm working. I'm not going to have time to read Bard before deadline. I still have to upload my work. Somehow we have a wagon on him. Serela has offered to test his power. The two wagons are Serela and Bard. So, on the one hand, I almost want to lynch Bard with a Serela hammer just to deal with both of them. On the other, that would make Serela hammer almost pointless for proving anything. Hell, I don't even really feel like Bard is lying, I just want Serela dead. Do note that Bard does not have to be lying to be scum, regarding the bomb claim.

PX is about 52 kinds of anti town for freezing Bard's vote. This could EASILY be upgraded to scum. You know what you do with that kind of power? You never fucking use it, that's what. There is essentially NO pro town reason to freeze a vote. Quite simply put, you don't have enough god damn information to do that in a pro town manner. HW's power requires rumination, particularly in conjunction with PX's.

Everything else just has me confused because I'm trying to rush this post out.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:35:57 PM
20 minutes left and this Bardiche lynch isn't happening.

##Unvote
##Vote NeoSerela

L-1
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 13, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
11 Minutes Left!

Vote count coming shortly.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:40:51 PM
NeoSerela, what do you want me to do. Fire the Gungnir at you? Taking out UK, Schezo, PX and Dormio is going to be pretty hard at this rate.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 08:41:55 PM
Goddamnit please work.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela


##Touch: UncertainKitten, congratulations, you are now a B0mb.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:42:11 PM
... Why does that sound like something that belongs in a scum quicktopic?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 13, 2011, 08:42:53 PM
Voting
Schezo(2): Zakeri,  Bard
NeoSerela(5): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK, Dormio (L-1)
Bardiche(2): huh what,  PX

Not Voting
Helepolis, NeoSerela

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
~8 minutes remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 08:43:12 PM
Helepolis:*Blinks* Well, uh, I'd rather you didn't, of course!

ninja'd:lolbard :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:43:43 PM
That's in regards to Helepolis' post.

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modsux.

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:44:56 PM
##Modrequest votecount


Cut by Kitten4Mod, Bardiche, it is not working.

/me graps his Gungnir and takes aim.

Well. . . ?


Cut by NeoSerela. . . well.

/me lowers his Gungnir again.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
Helepolis should probably hammer if we want a lynch for today.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
...Are you going to hammer or not?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:47:03 PM
I'll let NeoSerela decide that. . .
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 08:47:26 PM
You don't let scum decide whether or not he wants to be hammered.
You vote for him goddammit.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
So you are claiming NeoSerela fake-role-claimed?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:48:14 PM
Warning - choo choo i'm a train
modsux.
Fuck, I forgot Bardiche was frozen.
Helepolis.
Hammer.
Now.
Before no lynch.
Hammer.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
Why thank you, Helepolis :3

I think I'll stick with not being hammered.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:48:48 PM
HAMMER BEFORE NO LYNCH HELEPOLIS.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 13, 2011, 08:48:56 PM
1 Minute left.  No hammer = no lynch!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 08:49:41 PM
Helepolis vote him for Chrissake.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
HAMMER.
HAMMER.
HAMMER.
HAMMER.
HAMMER.
WE DO NOT WANT A NO LYNCH.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 08:51:43 PM
NeoSerela, my apologies

/me throws Gungnir and closes his eyes. "Ojousama..."

##Vote NeoSerela

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2011, 08:52:44 PM
That was totally way more then 1 minute.

...*waits to see if that counted or not*
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on April 13, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
Voting
Schezo(2): Zakeri,  Bard
NeoSerela(6): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK, Dormio, Helepolis Lynched
Bardiche(2): huh what,  PX

Not Voting
NeoSerela

11 alive, 6 to lynch.

And you contractors are nothing more than killing machines.

[attach = 1]

NeoSerela - Huang - human Lynched Day 2

[attach = 2]

Bard - Maki - contractor Killed Day 2

[attach = 3]

Conqueror - Mikhail Pavlichenko - human scientist Killed Day 2

8 alive. 5 votes for a lynch.
You have 72 hours from the time of this post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 08:58:02 PM
And I just got back home from school you damn bastards.

Can't you read my post? I said I would be missing!

Anyways, I see a hammer has happened.

I will confirm my role is November 11. I am a Town Contractor, and my power freezes the votes of both my target and myself. And my remuneration is, indeed, smoking. Now to finish reading this damn game?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 08:59:32 PM
Okay.
##Vote Helepolis
You don't even know.
God.
What.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: PX on April 13, 2011, 09:00:52 PM
asdvsnuifsd @mod GOD DAMN YOU, MESSING WITH MY ACCOUNT.

That last post was ninja'd by the flips.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Wow,  mod colour correction, Conqueror was red and now he is green. 3D ?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:08:57 PM
Ok.
I am still flipping shit, but let us attempt to make this post.
What. The. Hell. Helepolis.
Why. On. Earth. Would. You. Do. That.
"Oh, hi. Everybody thinks you're scum, you've admitted that you've given up, may I please kindly hammer you?"
"Oh, you don't want to be hammered? I guess I'll leave you be then... GOD SHUT UP EVERYONE, sorry scum. *Hammer*"
I mean.
Seriously.
Why.
And what the f**k is this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602238.html#msg602238).
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 09:09:44 PM
So...uh...wow. Anyway, Hele, you know what would be amazing? Instead of the random useless bullcrap you've been spewing all game, how about a case :3? It won't hurt, I promise. And you know, I MIGHT even think you're town if it's good enough! But for the time being, I remain INCREDIBLY unconvinced. The VCA thing was cute. Too bad you've *NEVER ACTUALLY DONE IT ALL GAME AFTER D1*

And yesterday involved you saying nothing. Good job.

Still, Serela scum. Told you we had lurker scum. So...who else was protecting the lurkers yesterday~?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
And what the f**k is this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602238.html#msg602238).
You know what?
I am seriously considering giving everyone on that list a full clear because.
Seriously.
What the hell is this.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
That's half the game, Caedo. I doubt it's that easy.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
Yes.
But.
F**king.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So you are claiming NeoSerela fake-role-claimed?
And what the hell is this s**t too?
I mean.
AREWGFDFGESRF
HEY HELEPOLIS.
I'M A TOWN ALIGNED MILLER BULLETPROOF SHADOW MUSICBOXMAN WITH A LETTERVIG.
THIS IS NOT A FAKE ROLECLAIM.
I mean.
ARWEFDSFG
What the hell is.
"May I kindly hammer you?" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602238.html#msg602238)
"No please." (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602245.html#msg602245)
"Okay." (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602249.html#msg602249)
*Insert rage here*
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 09:25:21 PM
Oh, I forgot to vote Hele didn't I~

##Vote Helepolis
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 09:32:07 PM
What a thrill huh?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Helepolis slowly walks over to NeoSerela's body and pulls out the Gungnir which impaled his heart. The blood drips off the tip, on to the ground.

"Your fate was already decided, Scum. When you asked if I should spare you, you answered me with a feint smile."

He unsummons his Gungnir and walks towards his house.

The next day:

Helepolis hears loud talking coming from town square. The people were gossiping how NeoSerela was a scum after all, but he was not surprised. Then he notices two bodies being carried out. It was the local scientist Conqueror and Bardiche. "..." without saying anything he gritted his teeth. Another two townies were dead. He looked around and noticed the rest also staring at the incident.

** Something is not right here ** went through his mind. ** Think this requires some more investigation **

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

@ Caedo, you are questioning my post why I asked NeoSerela if I should spare him? Basically his votechange to nonvote sparked my curiosity. I was going to be last lynch on Schezo or Serela no matter what happened. As they couldn't wagon Bardiche, they couldn't also wagon Schezo. Serela was the only option left.

Odd thing was that Serela suddenly ignored my entire convo with Bardiche and Conqueror. We were all discussing the same thing and he suddenly backs off. Then asks me whether I know about the ##Freeze and ##Swap powers. After even showing him the posts, he did not placed any votes. Well, either way Serela was cornered, most likely the scum team had to sacrifice a non-power scum.

Though the biggest question which goes in my head... what happened to Bardiche and Conqueror. 2 townies for price of 1 scum is not really what I had in mind. I was first happy 2 scums were dead, but then Modco/Kitten4Mod corrected the colour. orz.

@ PX, I already noticed you were November 11. Your entrance with cigarette roleplay made me check wiki. After the freeze I knew for sure. However, why did you freeze Bardiche's powers . . . is my first concern now. It was too obvious he was Townie. Yet you get in our way by freezing him.

Now then, I see two cute people voting already against me. Now that is most likely interesting.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
Oh, you also completely missed me, you know, asking questions of you, Hele.

But that's ok. I know scum find it hard to answer reasonable questions and requests, so don't hurt yourself~. Just diiiiiiiiieeeeeeeee~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2011, 09:46:48 PM
Okay, I'm heading off to uni now.
Hopefully when I get back in 11 hours I'll have calmed down a bit.
Because right now all I can think of is how much I want Helepolis dead.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 10:00:05 PM
Oh, you also completely missed me, you know, asking questions of you, Hele.
Missed you? A case you want? Nah, way too soon Miss UncertainKitten. First I need to hear out PX and Huh what for their strange actions. No VCA after D1? Is that so?



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Quick vocal version before bed time
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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
It is. You in fact did absolutely nothing D2. You might have thought we wouldn't notice in lurker fervor, but you conveniently went to the background because we weren't lynching you that day. You pay for that today, either in actual content, or your life.

And you're tilting it towards your life pretty fast~.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
Welp, there goes my entire case. <___<

Current intention would be to look into RDPX and Dormio. I'll see when I get some more time on my hands.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 10:16:05 PM
It is. You in fact did absolutely nothing D2. You might have thought we wouldn't notice in lurker fervor, but you conveniently went to the background because we weren't lynching you that day. You pay for that today, either in actual content, or your life.

And you're tilting it towards your life pretty fast~.
Suddenly some fierce words there Miss UncertainKitten. When you say "You did nothing", you must be surely referring to Hanged Mokou and Zakeri?


Welp, there goes my entire case. <___<

Current intention would be to look into RDPX and Dormio. I'll see when I get some more time on my hands.
Care to explain your swap action, what on earth you had in mind when doing that?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 13, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
Ok, catching up. I'm gonna do an indepth reread of the recent stuff and make a post.
I'm gonna say right now that I do not like Helepolis. First point I'm going to mention, HE REALLY DID NOT LIKE ME HAVING MY VOTE ON NEO, AND REALLY WANTED ME TO GET OFF. But I'm going to be careful with my vote and not put it on someone until my reread.
Anything you would like to say about that, Hele?

Also, this is how I feel right now.
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l565/HangedHourai/right.png)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 10:18:36 PM
Oh, no, I'm talking about you Hele. I haven't the faintest what you contributed yesterday. Because you didn't, really~

But, hey, humor me. What do you think was your valid contributions to the town, yesterday?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 13, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
I'm sensing a lot of rage here.

Catching up, and with Reread shortly to follow. I'll have to reconsider my case on Schezo with NeoSerela's flip.

PX, could you please explain to me why you froze Bardiche?

Quote
Suddenly some fierce words there Miss UncertainKitten. When you say "You did nothing", you must be surely referring to Hanged Mokou and Zakeri?

Well, I made a case on Schezo. Who did you make a case against yesterday?
Hourai/Mokou made several cases against lurkers, and was on the Neo Serela bandwagon yesterday.

Compared to this, what did you do all day?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 13, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Helepolis
Suddenly some fierce words there Miss UncertainKitten. When you say "You did nothing", you must be surely referring to Hanged Mokou and Zakeri?
I started the wagon on the scum, thanks.

Zak Reply
Hi.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 10:31:27 PM
Ok, catching up. I'm gonna do an indepth reread of the recent stuff and make a post.
I'm gonna say right now that I do not like Helepolis. First point I'm going to mention, HE REALLY DID NOT LIKE ME HAVING MY VOTE ON NEO, AND REALLY WANTED ME TO GET OFF.
Yes, that is correct. Because...

But I'm going to be careful with my vote and not put it on someone until my reread.
Double checking never hurts, right? I need to confirm things for myself as well.

@ Kitten,  Well. at the 7th vote count , Neoserela was on L-1. I was logically nonvote , thus I could have hammered it right there. But yea, what if I extended it longer.... that idea backfired and benefited. Benefit: extra powers detected,  backfire: Bardiche got surprised, though I think his bomb still worked (I hope) and probably saving your life. The only thing I am wondering is, what if I did hammer back then. We don't know for sure whether Bardiche could use his power during NK. I wanted to make sure...

So yea, my eyes were set on Schezo as well, however he has been so poor poster just like Hourai, it makes it funny you and Zakeri keep calling me "I contributed nothing." though it did not exactly went as I planned it. NeoSerela's last minute backoff and PX's freeze kind of surprised me as well.

- Make case else you contribute nothing.
- < Case appears >
- Your case is invalid / weak / null etc..
- < Pull back case >
- Make ca(ry

Do I sense a loop here? Yes I do. And like I said, I want to hear PX for his freeze action just like Zakeri is asking now. That is the beginning of my case.


Cut by Hourai

"I started the wagon thanks"  Yea, thanks for being very communicative during the rest of the game. Otherwise I would have finished it by vote count 7.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 10:33:36 PM
Care to explain your swap action, what on earth you had in mind when doing that?
I didn't want people to derphammer Serela? :V

No, this does not make me scum protecting a buddy, if that's what you're accusing me of. Ignoring how I didn't know what Serela would have flipped at the time, ending discussion earlier would have resulted in the people targeted by the killing actions being eliminated prematurely.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 10:36:58 PM
Oh and Miss UncertainKitten, Your "Either pay with content or pay with my life" line. You see, my Mistress told me paying with my life is kind of difficult.


Cut by PX

Quote from: PX
ending discussion earlier would have resulted in the people targeted by the killing actions being eliminated prematurely.
As in?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 13, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Heh, well, good luck avoiding a lynch then~.

You'll need it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
A bit more caught up now.

My renumeration does not involve shutting up and I'm not sure why I'm tied to PX. I had no idea what PX's power was until he used it, though it does make sense as a scum counter to my own (since I could in theory use my abilities to lynch whoever the hell I wanted).

The reason I stated I would be inactive is because I was confused about how my renumeration worked, but then I figured it out soon after making that post, which should be rather evident from the post that followed it immediately after. I even said that the inactivity worries were cancelled, but unfortunately IRL stuff came up and I lost internet access anyway until roughly an hour ago.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 13, 2011, 10:48:48 PM
The reason I stated I would be inactive is because I was confused about how my renumeration worked
Oh right, forgot about this.

If you want proof, note how I stated it would have to wait until the mod came online. This was because I was waiting for him to answer my questions and clarify on my role.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 02:30:14 AM
Okay, got out of a class early which gives me a short break.

First, I'm still angry at you Helepolis.
Unless you do something amazing, or Zakeri does something bad, I want to see your head rolling on the floor by the end of today.
You don't know how lucky you are that the lynch actually went through despite the fact that you posted 3 minutes after Kitten4u's 1minute remaining post.
I'm haven't lost all reason yet though, so let's make proper cases.

Helepolis, both days you have been less than spectacular.
And you are looking like every spectrum of scum possible.
Lurkscum, wafflescum, derpscum, and so on.
D1, all you did was some vote count analysis, offering very few opinions and leaving your vote as the only one on Bardiche at the end of the day.
D2, you voted Bardiche for an hour at the beginning of the day before proceeding to disappear for the rest of the day.
"What, but I was posting."
Sure, you posted, but did you really say anything? No.
End of D3, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS.
These (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602284.html#msg602284) two posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602306.html#msg602306) portray what I feel about your end day one.
Made so much worse by the fact that NeoSerela was actually scum.
I'd also like to bring this quality post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602238.html#msg602238) by Helepolis to light again because seriously this post is every degree of wrong possible.

As angry as I am at Helepolis though, I still think that Zakeri is scum.
Since NeoSerela flipped scum, I'd like to bring up again the random defense NeoSerela put up for Zakeri's ninja hammer on D1.
That and how NeoSerela seemed to like giving Zakeri clears for no apparent reason.
Probably should do a reread on Zak. I keep looking at his avatar every time I scroll past it, anyway.
Don't really think either Zak or Bard is scum at this moment in time.
Wonder what happened to that reread anyway.

Current lynch priorities: Helepolis > Helepolis > Zakeri

If I could have my way both of them would day today.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 02:31:20 AM
I'm haven't
Have I lost my mind, forever insane?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 14, 2011, 02:36:07 AM
Voting
Helepolis(2): Dormio, UncertainKitten

Not Voting
Hanged Hourai, Schezo, Zakeri, PX, Helepolis, huh what

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
~65 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 02:40:16 AM
End of D3 2
Apparently my thought process is all screwy right now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 02:42:28 AM
These (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602284.html#msg602284) two posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602306.html#msg602306) portray what I feel about your end day one two.
Wow. I didn't know I could make this many typos in one go.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 02:44:50 AM
If I could have my way both of them would day die today.
...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 14, 2011, 02:48:14 AM
Ok, reread finished.

Helepolis-
Spent all of late D2 complaining about lurkers and wanted really badly for me to get off Neo. Even tells other people to get off Neo and jump on Schezo. His contributions were prodding lurkers, role speculation, and defending Neo. I can't see any townie intent in his actions.

And I realized something else, my idea that he was neutral for pushing a scumteam that he knew would flip town is invalid! Bard's role pretty much means that scum weren't expecting Shadoweh to die that night.

And now he's been dodging questions. And add asking to scum whether they wanted to get lynched, and then only lynching after being yelled at makes him worthy of my vote.

##Vote: Helepolis L-2

And what the heck does this mean?
Quote
"I started the wagon thanks"  Yea, thanks for being very communicative during the rest of the game. Otherwise I would have finished it by vote count 7.

And for the heck of it, entertain me. Who is the best alternate lynch for today and why?


PX- Seriously, what the heck were you trying to accomplish by freezing Bard? Ya know, other than preventing the scum lynch. But GDI, I have a hard time buying into him being scum by virtue of putting Neo at L-1 so early in the day... unless we're looking at a PX/Hw scumteam, which I'm not even going to entertain the notion of for the time being.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 06:32:12 AM
So much anger, so much hate. My Mistress always said that hate and anger are never the solutions. It blurs the mind and blinds your eyes.

First, I'm still angry at you Helepolis.
Helepolis, both days you have been less than spectacular.
And you are looking like every spectrum of scum possible.
Lurkscum, wafflescum, derpscum, and so on.
And again you people do not seem to read. Why don't you first read #648 and 659 carefully before jumping into silly conclusions.


@ Kitten,  Well. at the 7th vote count , Neoserela was on L-1. I was logically nonvote , thus I could have hammered it right there. But yea, what if I extended it longer.... that idea backfired and benefited. Benefit: extra powers detected,  backfire: Bardiche got surprised, though I think his bomb still worked (I hope) and probably saving your life. The only thing I am wondering is, what if I did hammer back then. We don't know for sure whether Bardiche could use his power during NK. I wanted to make sure...
Nice accusation of me trying to save NeoSerela and being possible  <insertword>scum. I was basically hoping people would communicate whether I should hammer now or wait. You know, acting like a group which was asked from me after D1. Remember? Serpenterius said to stop making individual actions and start doing things as a group.


Quote from: Hanged Mokou
And what the heck does this mean?
It means exactly the way you read it. Do you think I made my roleplay posts for just being silly and roleplayish? If you would have actually been around instead of vote->lurk without communication, I would have ended it this stupid day much earlier. I was forced to hold back my hammer, just to see what else was going to revealed.


Quote from: Hanged Mokou
Spent all of late D2 complaining about lurkers and wanted really badly for me to get off Neo. Even tells other people to get off Neo and jump on Schezo. His contributions were prodding lurkers, role speculation, and defending Neo. I can't see any townie intent in his actions.
Role speculations, sorry to break your bubble, but the Freeze power speculation was spot on. (And no it was not dumb luck). The Freeze suddenly messed up our entire plan that is again because some people were being awesome with their activities.

So to sum up:
- So I like how the blame is being shoved so quickly, just because I held off a hammer which was going to be performed anyway.
- I'll say this once more, I could have finished this by votecount 7, but then none of you townies would have known the Switch and Freeze skill.
- All I can sense here is hypocrisy by output by people. Blaming me for all sorts of things but doing the worst possible mistakes themselves as well.
- Serela was sacrificed by own Scum team because he was powerless.

To continue

Why don't you people first try to explain how 2 townies died. Are there 2 scums out there with killing abilities? Or did Bardiche got killed because he was frozen? The wiki does not clarify whether the freezing of human body is lethal. Which makes it harder for me to find out.


##Vote Schezo

I will continue what Bardiche couldn't finish because people get in the way.

Final note
PX roleclaim he is town November 11 is hilarious. It was too obvious Bard and Conq were town but he still blocks Bardiche. If you want to see somebody's head rolling on the floor Dormio, start doing something instead of hunting in anger.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 14, 2011, 08:54:50 AM
Voting
Helepolis(3): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai (L-2)
Schezo (1): Helepolis

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri, PX, huh what

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
~60 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 10:00:28 AM
I'm currently in this weird state where I'm too tired to be angry, so let's go with this and try making a post.

And again you people do not seem to read. Why don't you first read #648 and 659 carefully before jumping into silly conclusions.
What about them?
Why don't you try reading, hmm?
Because if you did you'd know I am not talking at all about your non-hammering at the 7th votecount or whatever.
Though the fact that you keep bringing it up is further validating lurkscum status.
Anyway, I'm referring to your hesitation to hammer NeoSerela at the end of the day that almost lead to a no lynch.
Because, honestly, we're lucky Pesco decided to be nice and give us the lynch when the hammer came 2 minutes late.
And, hey, Helepolis. I like how you ignore every single point that's being made against you, waving it off with "read better".

Zakeri, I guess I'm fine with an alternate lynch on Zakeri today.
I'd still prefer to see Helepolis dead, but whatever.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Also, yes, PX's freeze is all kinds of weird.
Voteblocking is never good news for town.
Helepolis > Zakeri > PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 10:39:27 AM
Because if you did you'd know I am not talking at all about your non-hammering at the 7th votecount or whatever.
You should be.

Though the fact that you keep bringing it up is further validating lurkscum status.
That is an odd link you are drawing there.

Anyway, I'm referring to your hesitation to hammer NeoSerela at the end of the day that almost lead to a no lynch.
And I am saying, the hesitation was intentional faking for me to confirm something.


And, hey, Helepolis. I like how you ignore every single point that's being made against you, waving it off with "read better".
That is because you don't.



Because if you did you'd know I am not talking at all about your non-hammering at the 7th votecount or whatever.
I am bring this up twice in my post. And I will explain you why:

Let us check #531 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601252.html#msg601252). Notice how PX votes for NeoSerela? L-1 on Serela's ass. Kitten announces it though I don't get why she says "Vote carefully".

Dormio, before you said Neoserela was obvious scum right? How come you didn't hammer then? I know what your excuse is going to be, I was at Uni I couldn't. But that excuse doesn't go up as slightly earlier you said you were going out and kept your vote stuck on Zakeri.

At that time suddenly HW comes out of nowhere, swap votes PX off Neoserla and prevents the final hammer. Read his reply:

#539 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601554.html#msg601554)

"Basically, I felt that your vote on Serela was a rushed votepark" ? ? ? ?

At ? Reply #559 on: 13 April 2011, 17:43:17 ? (Helepolis) I was in the bus travelling home (on my phone go check my OS/Browser type) and was extremely surprised I couldn't throw the final hammer. I was kind of angry why nobody else did either.

So who is defending a scum here now?

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 10:40:24 AM
PREVIOUS POST EXTREMELY MESSED UP
New one here with fixed tags.

Quote

You should be.
That is an odd link you are drawing there.
And I am saying, the hesitation was intentional faking for me to confirm something.

That is because you don't.


I am bring this up twice in my post. And I will explain you why:

Let us check #531 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601252.html#msg601252). Notice how PX votes for NeoSerela? L-1 on Serela's ass. Kitten announces it though I don't get why she says "Vote carefully".

Dormio, before you said Neoserela was obvious scum right? How come you didn't hammer then? I know what your excuse is going to be, I was at Uni I couldn't. But that excuse doesn't go up as slightly earlier you said you were going out and kept your vote stuck on Zakeri.

At that time suddenly HW comes out of nowhere, swap votes PX off Neoserla and prevents the final hammer. Read his reply:

#539 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601554.html#msg601554)

"Basically, I felt that your vote on Serela was a rushed votepark" ? ? ? ?

At ? Reply #559 on: 13 April 2011, 17:43:17 ? (Helepolis) I was in the bus travelling home (on my phone go check my OS/Browser type) and was extremely surprised I couldn't throw the final hammer. I was kind of angry why nobody else did either.

So who is defending a scum here now?

[pesco]Way to fail at tags[/pesco]
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
DOH MODCO >.<
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 10:50:03 AM
You should be.
What. The. Fuck.

You know that rage that was subsiding?
You're doing an awfully good job of bringing it back, but worse.

Wow. Seriously.
So many.
AEWFSDF
Making another post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 10:55:51 AM
Yea make another post without actually reading anything. Your fake-rage play is currently not enough to get townies miss-lynch me.


Posting from iphone is orz.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 11:05:05 AM
You should be.
For emphasis: What. The. Fuck.
ARE YOU HONESTLY TRYING TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU ALMOST SCREWED US OUT OF A LYNCH BECAUSE SCUM SAID "plzdunhammer"?
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU CONSTANTLY BRINGING UP THE EARLIER TIME WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAMMER.
BIG FUCKING SPOILER: EARLY HAMMERS ARE GENERALLY BAD. THAT'S WHY NOBODY WAS BRINGING IT UP.
NO LYNCHES? YEAH. THOSE ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE.
BUT NO. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN YEAH SURE LET'S BLATANTLY IGNORE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT AND REFER TO SOME OTHER EVENT.

That is an odd link you are drawing there.
YOU KEEP BRINGING UP HOW YOU DIDN'T HAMMER NEOSERELA EARLIER IN THE DAY.
HEY, GUESS WHAT. YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANYONE DURING THE DAY.
"I participated I voted for Bardiche what are you on"
OH YEAH. BIG FUCKING DEAL. YOU VOTED HIM FOR AN HOUR. ONE WHOLE HOUR. AND YOU WERE THE ONLY VOTE. AND YOU NEVER VOTED AGAIN UNTIL 2 MINUTES AFTER DEADLINE WHERE WE COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY BEEN SCREWED OUT OF A LYNCH.

And I am saying, the hesitation was intentional faking for me to confirm something.
CONFIRM FUCKING WHAT? HOW FAR YOU CAN PUSH THE DEADLINE?
BUT NO! YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EARLIER POTENTIAL HAMMER THAT NOBODY WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT!

Let us check #531 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601252.html#msg601252). Notice how PX votes for NeoSerela? L-1 on Serela's ass. Kitten announces it though I don't get why she says "Vote carefully".
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT A EARLY HAMMER IS NOT GOOD?
BECAUSE THERE WERE STILL 20 WHOLE HOURS LEFT AT THE TIME.
OF COURSE YOU SHOULD VOTE CAREFULLY WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AND A HAMMER COULD OCCUR AT ANY MOMENT.

Dormio, before you said Neoserela was obvious scum right? How come you didn't hammer then? I know what your excuse is going to be, I was at Uni I couldn't. But that excuse doesn't go up as slightly earlier you said you were going out and kept your vote stuck on Zakeri.
HEY. SPOILER. I THINK ZAKERI IS SCUM TOO.
OMGSHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea make another post without actually reading anything. Your fake-rage play is currently not enough to get townies miss-lynch me.
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAH
YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH I WISH I HAD A VIG RIGHT NOW.
GO DIE SCUM.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
/me raises his hands and shoulders and sighs.

What ever Dormio, I will be patiently waiting for the rest of the people to show up and hearing about them. You can in the mean while continue to rage because you are contributing nothing than running a personal vendetta on me. Same goes for Hourai as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
".... Who is that guy shouting outside. It is annoying, it makes my tea taste bad."  In annoyance Remilia put down her tea and pouted.
"That is one of the angry persons I told you about yesterday night, My Lady. Please don't let it spoil your appetite. He is having a personal assault on my way of acting"

The Mistress looked Helepolis straight into the eyes. "And, that NeoSerela you mentioned was a scum after all?" Helepolis gently nodded to confirm her question. Remilia stood up to the window, staring outside the window.

"My Lady, currently I am close to verge of death. It seems they are setting up another trap."

She turned around and smiled exposing her vampire fangs "Ehehehe, well, it isn't it a good thing you cannot die by unnatural deaths? That is why they are trying hard to hang you."

A momentarily silence between Helepolis and his Mistress. Slowly her devilish smile turned into a worried face. "Remember what I told you, Helepolis"

"Mistres..."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So Zakeri, Schezo, PX, HW. Do you think I am scum due to eliciting very crucial information for townies? Make your calls. Because this day is going to be important.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:22:18 PM
What ever Dormio, I will be patiently waiting for the rest of the people to show up and hearing about them. You can in the mean while continue to rage because you are contributing nothing than running a personal vendetta on me.
...
Wow.
And you claim that I don't read.
Is that REALLY the best that you can fucking do?
REALLY?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:24:18 PM
I mean come on.
Are you going to completely ignore the fact that I have pointed out that every single one of your defences are invalid?
Tell me again why you're not already dead?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:31:58 PM
Hey, Helepolis, are you going to shrug off EVERYONE that makes a case against you?
Because.
Honestly.
God.
I really don't know how to put what I'm feeling into words.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Helepolis
So to sum up:
- So I like how the blame is being shoved so quickly, just because I held off a hammer which was going to be performed anyway.
- I'll say this once more, I could have finished this by votecount 7, but then none of you townies would have known the Switch and Freeze skill.
- All I can sense here is hypocrisy by output by people. Blaming me for all sorts of things but doing the worst possible mistakes themselves as well.
- Serela was sacrificed by own Scum team because he was powerless.

To continue

Why don't you people first try to explain how 2 townies died. Are there 2 scums out there with killing abilities? Or did Bardiche got killed because he was frozen? The wiki does not clarify whether the freezing of human body is lethal. Which makes it harder for me to find out.

##Vote Schezo

I will continue what Bardiche couldn't finish because people get in the way.

Final note
PX roleclaim he is town November 11 is hilarious. It was too obvious Bard and Conq were town but he still blocks Bardiche. If you want to see somebody's head rolling on the floor Dormio, start doing something instead of hunting in anger.

I'll re-quote this for emphasis in combination with my previous post (#682).
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:41:07 PM
You really do not get it do you, Helepolis?

- So I like how the blame is being shoved so quickly, just because I held off a hammer which was going to be performed anyway.
- I'll say this once more, I could have finished this by votecount 7, but then none of you townies would have known the Switch and Freeze skill.
I AM NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT VOTE COUNT 7.
I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU ALMOST COST US OUR LYNCH AT THE END OF DAY TWO.
END. OF. DAY. 2.
2. TWO. II. 二. END. OF.
CAN YOU READ?

- Serela was sacrificed by own Scum team because he was powerless.
Yeah, I believe NeoSerela was abandoned by his fellow scum.
Namely, you.

I don't even understand how you've managed to turn yourself from derptown to obvscum this quickly and efficiently, but you did it.
Congratulations.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:44:20 PM
And you mean the previous post where you basically say:
"Hey, I don't like how Dormio and Hourai are making cases against me. Now I can't hear them lalalalalalaalalalala."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:46:46 PM
Also, note, Helepolis' "eliciting information" was just him lurking.
Dress it up with however many fancy words you want.
In the end, all you did was lurk as huh what tried to fix the early hammer thing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 12:48:32 PM
I mean, honestly.
What kind of fucking excuse is:
"I'm town because I lurked and didn't hammer someone at the first opportunity I got."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 14, 2011, 01:55:12 PM
Early morning post so don't expect much.

First off, delaying a hammer in this game is bad. It's been confirmed by the mod we can talk during twilight. BY THE MOD. If someone has already reached the point where he can be hammered and it doesn't look like a counter wagon will pop up, just lynch the damn person already. There's almost no difference between hammering 10 minutes before the deadline or hammering 2 minutes after the deadline.

Anyways, what?
Quote from: Helepolis
PX roleclaim he is town November 11 is hilarious. It was too obvious Bard and Conq were town but he still blocks Bardiche. If you want to see somebody's head rolling on the floor Dormio, start doing something instead of hunting in anger.
If Bard was obvious town, then why the hell would people call him scummy, and why would he gather votes on him? Other than that, it was early in the morning so I wasn't thinking that clearly and I was thinking he was scum.

Also @661 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602416.html#msg602416)
Why you put my name there? Why has nobody bothered to correct that? It looks to me quite hard to confuse me for HW.

Quote
Why don't you people first try to explain how 2 townies died. Are there 2 scums out there with killing abilities? Or did Bardiche got killed because he was frozen? The wiki does not clarify whether the freezing of human body is lethal. Which makes it harder for me to find out.
Uhh... what? This has got to be a mistake, right? Stop role speculating please.

Cutting post, out of time. >_<
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 02:09:34 PM
You really do not get it do you, Helepolis?
I AM NOT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT VOTE COUNT 7.
I AM TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU ALMOST COST US OUR LYNCH AT THE END OF DAY TWO.
END. OF. DAY. 2.
2. TWO. II. 二. END. OF.
CAN YOU READ?
And that is why I keep repeating probably for the N-th time: It wouldn't have cost us a lynch because I was going to hammer no matter what. Either on Schezo or on Serela. As the Schezo-wagon didn't get off the ground for some reason (well the reason was obvious ^.^ ). I am glad Conqueror around.

I don't even understand how you've managed to turn yourself from derptown to obvscum this quickly and efficiently, but you did it.
Congratulations.
I like how you speak for everybody (even for me) in this game. I also like how you create scenarios and answer them for yourself.

I answered every question you gave, You still refuse to answer mine:
- How does me supporting Bardiche / Conqueror make me a scum
- How does intentionally keeping last vote while notifying I am still around me a scum?
- How your vendetta with nothing else than post spam, make me a scum.

At least Miss UncertainKitten asked me to come up with a case and questioned me in a logical way.

My case is still on Schezo and suspecting HW just as much with his switch abilities. Conqueror's speculation on how Shadoweh and Serp both died seems plausable somehow.  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602059.html#msg602059) Especially now we know a switching ability exists but cannot confirm 100% because only the Mods and the HW know exactly how it works.

Also Bardiche's explanation on Schezo (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602012.html#msg602012) is also somehow being more and more realistic in my eyes.

I might have intentionally vote-lurked D2. I don't see how that makes me omgyouobvious scum. Especially not in comparison do Schezo who said not much. Even the saying "Less is more" isn't applicable for his posts. Non-existent.


Cut by PX

Hold on a minute,

The problem was I couldn't even hammer, even if you claim it is obvious. HW swapped you out and then you place your vote on Bardiche? If you could still move after the swap, why do you suddenly mutate your vote and freeze Bardiche? Sense, makes 0 to me.

About the early hammering. I know about the Twilight talking is allowed. That wasn't the problem.

Quote from: PX
Also @661
Why you put my name there? Why has nobody bothered to correct that? It looks to me quite hard to confuse me for HW.
orz , wrong quote name. That is what you get for manual quoting. That suppose to be HW yea.


Quote from: PX
Uhh... what? This has got to be a mistake, right? Stop role speculating please.
I am not asking you what it is, I am asking you how it become.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
Ok let me get this straight.  You case on me is because I am lurking when I at least made cases yesterday and put a vote down along with some opinions?  You can't just say "I agree with Bard" because yeah that's easy. Do you agree with all of his posts?  I don't know. Can you at least place a whole case in your own words down so I can tell what you are voting me for? 
That you, Helepolis, have the audacity to vote me for lurking when you yourself were active lurking for the majority of yesterday, with hardly any opinions and no cases as far as I could tell just screams hipocracy. Why shouldn't I vote you right now for "lurking"?  Again there are others lurking just as much if not more than me, like Hourai and Zak.

And I'm pretty sure that the point people are getting pissy about isn't that you hammered 2 minutes as opposed to 10 minutes, it's that you hammered 3 minutes LATE and we are just lucky Pesco allowed it to count when he easily could have gone, "Nope sorry, you got a no lynch."
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 04:59:04 PM
Holy shit when did I get IP!? I totes didn't notice!

@Hele 672: Going to let Caedo answer the rest since you asked him but...uh...first you're proposing scum started a wagon on their own guy out of more or less nowhere. And then you're saying someone *else* is scum and not voting them? youlostme.jpg.

And Caedo's answer is about what I'd have said.

@Caedo 675: No. Play the game, not the roles. At BEST play how the roles are used. I'm willing to accept PX scum for USING such a power in such a scummy way. I'm not willing to accept PX scum just because he IS a voteblocker. This is how we lost Zomble mafier.

@Hele 676: To prevent a quickhammer. We still had time at that point, IIRC. Also, that vote count is further evidence that PX and Schezo probably aren't scum. Swing vote tell. PX swung it towards scum. This goes to Caedo as well, re: PX.

Hmm...I missed HW doing that. I don't like it.

@Caedo 679: Rather than rage at Hele, look at the resources he provided. His conclusions may be terrible, but I completely missed those key points.

@Quoted Hele 686: Responding to your quote.
To sum up:
-You were three minutes late. It wasn't going to happen.
-There were 24 hours left at votecount 7. If you had hammered then the ONLY reason suspicion would be defrayed is because you killed a scum. The situations are not the same at all. Hammering with 24 hours left is a LOT different than hammering with -3 minutes left. Particularly the almost not hammering
-[[Citation needed]]
-Possible. Then at what point did he become a sacrifice. It's just plain bad scum play to *start* a wagon on your buddy. Possible, yes, but improbable.

Finally, case on Schezo?

@Hele 692: You were three. minutes. Late. The hammer should not have gone through. You were banking on it not going through and saying you tried. So, please die.

Do you want me to answer those questions as well? I'll save them for Dormio unless requested.
All right, so your piggybacking Bard's case. It's pretty, and something to think about, but I don't think Schezo is QUITE stupid enough to wagon his scumbuddy out of nowhere. If he would, please feel free to correct me, everyone.






Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 14, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
Voting
Helepolis(3): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai (L-2)
Schezo (1): Helepolis

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri, PX, huh what

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
Under 50 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Claim time, since there seems to be a fair amount of curiosity going on about my rolepowers: I'm Jean, and I've never watched Darker than Black so I have no idea who that is, but a quick google search told me that I'm unimportant. Okay. Anyway, I can switch the votes of two players around at any time with the command ##Switch, with the stipulation being that my next post must be arranged into a block with a minimum of at least 25 unique words. If you want an example of this, look under my D2 wall, because it's right in front of you. Other than that, my role is pretty uninteresting, as the only real upsides to it that I've seen are that I can break ties and force lurkers into voting. I could also in theory force town to lynch whoever I want for the rest of the game by voting, switching with another player, changing my vote and then repeating, but that would make the game a crapshoot and probably isn't worth it, so I have no intent of doing so.

... Okay, so yeah. There's no way Hele is surviving the day, not much to say about him that has not yet already been covered. While I do understand the case on him and would be surprised if anybody was willing to give him a pass after the way late D2 turned out, what does irritate me is the possibility of people using him as a way to avoid talking about anything other than the obvious case. Hourai, Schezo and UK in particular both need to speak up about players they think are scum who aren't Helepolis. Still, I'm probably going to switch to Hele by the end of the day since he's pretty much just Serela's obvbuddy right now. But as is, I'd rather focus on some other players, such as...


##Vote PX

rdj's player slot has an interesting history with scum!Serela on D2. While he does start up the day with a vote on Serela, the vote simply seems like a pressure vote to convince Serela to answer UK's question, which is something that could easily be thrown away. And indeed, his weak vote on Serela is thrown away at the first chance he gets, as in when a Schezo case becomes a likely possibility. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599693.html#msg599693) Now, it is true that we do not have Schezo's flip yet, but I find it incredibly likely that Schezo was a townie being pushed as the counterwagon to Serela's lynch, since he was the other possible lurker lynch on D2. As a result, I do not like rdj's vote on Schezo, for it looks like a wagon hop attempting to drive the pressure away from his buddy. It did, after all, shift the wagons from 2 Schezo, 2 Serela to 3 Schezo, 1 Serela when people such as Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599401.html#msg599401) and UK (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599615.html#msg599615) were beginning to contemplate going after the latter.

Now, let's skip a bit later into the day. rdj has been replaced, and Serela is close to being a lost cause for scum - even though the wagons are tied, Dormio's vote is still sitting on Zakeri, and Dormio has already (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600906.html#msg600906) stated that he dislikes Serela and thinks Schezo (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600531.html#msg600531) has begun to look better. It is fairly evident that he would have chosen to break the tie in a manner that would have lynched Serela at the end of the day, and the likelihood of this must have been rather intimidating for scum. PX's first action as a replacement is to put Serela to L-1 with a rather weak case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601252.html#msg601252), which comes off entirely as something you'd see from a scum who has just decided to give up their buddy. Not only was rdj's poor D1 something that scum would have wanted to salvage through townie cred (ie, being on a wagon), but the laziness involved makes the possibility of a forced case intended as a bus seem a lot more likely. Alongside this, PX's vote on Serela also made self-hammering a possible option for PX's hypothetical buddy, which would have allowed scum to eliminate their nightkill from the discussion as soon as possible while also preventing myself from getting a vote out in the D2 discussion.

A few hours later, Dormio shifts his vote and the possibility of Bardiche being a counterwagon comes along, PX is quick to move off of scum!Serela and on to Bard (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601861.html#msg601861), even though if he really did think Bardiche was scum he could have easily shifted his vote before Dormio's vote arrived (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg601578.html#msg601578), and PX's vote-shifting post does not imply that Bardiche's then-recent post was what caused Bardiche to become a better lynch than Serela in PX's eyes. Also of note is PX sealing off Bardiche's vote, which would have suddenly made Serela much more difficult to lynch at the time. Given that Bardiche has flipped town, this is quite a major issue in PX's record. Even though rdj and PX had been voting scum!Serela a lot during D2, I do not believe that their desire really was to see Serela lynched, considering how easily they were swayed to change their vote off of him at times.

tl;dr rdpx are scum who couldn't make up their mind on whether or not Serela was worth bussing, so they clung on to the possibility of Serela escaping as long as possible and both attempted to jump to another possible townie wagon before giving it up.

Amusingly enough, rdj was also responsible for the vote that turned capt. h into a potential wagon on D1, which could have been scum scouting for easy lynch targets.


Something else I found notable about D2 is UK's choice of pursuing lurker!Yono over lurkscum!Serela at first when Yono was the easier target, but completely dropping it when somebody less likely to get lynched over newbie play replaced in. I suppose this means more to me since I know my own (and by extent, Yono's) alignment, and I certainly wouldn't interesting in lynching her over people like PX and Hele, but it's still rather intriguing.

I'll take another look into Dormio and Hourai some time in the future, but I don't think they're very interesting at this point compared to the other suspects. This post is large enough as is, anyway. In hindsight, Dormio actually seems a bit more like a townie with tunnel vision on Zakeri, though he definitely needs to chill out.

I'm not sure if I explained my PX case particularly well, so feel free to nudge me about it if there are questions. I think the tl;dr version sums up what I find scummy about him in an adequate manner, though.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 08:36:34 PM
"and I certainly wouldn't interesting in lynching her over people like PX and Hele, but it's still rather intriguing." should read "and I certainly wouldn't be interested in lynching her over people like PX and Hele, but it's still rather intriguing."

HOW DO I WORDS
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 08:41:43 PM
Hmmm, I just realized that Hele and PX being the scumteam does not particularly flow well with my theory, given that Hele could have broken the tie in a manner that allowed Serela to escape from a lynch at any time, which makes my theory about PX's vote on Serela less valid.

... I still think both are worth pursuing, though. Doubly so if one of the two end up flipping town. Still, I could think up a number of reasons why scum!PX's vote on Serela would have happened regardless, such as him simply being scum panicing after realizing he was so close to losing his buddy, or Hele being generally unresponsive since Hele's actions on D2 were awkward in general.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 08:49:43 PM
Hmm...but what about PX's swing vote, HW? And yeah, I already admitted about half my Yono vote was pure unadulterated frustration.

If I have to pick another scum...PoE says Zak. I'm unwilling to believe Schezo scum would cross bus with Serela scum. It seems too stupid when they both were only under fire for being lurkers. Dormio has been posting more or less along the same lines I've been thinking today. And I don't recall anything terrible from him. Hmm...though, I'm not exactly sure where HH stands, and I'd appreciate something from him elucidating this. So MAYBE HH scum. HW, you bleed town, really, out of a sea of mediocrity. You're thinking and posting. It more or less erases ANY issues I had with Yono.

Anyway, Zak more or less didn't contribute a lot D2, after people started saying he was town again. This kind of bothers me a lot. Then again, it feels weird that he'd purposely court the lynch D1 as scum...

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 09:10:11 PM
I do realize that PX's vote swung the wagons, but I believe it does not matter very much considering how easily he withdrew it as soon as Bard looked like a possible second counterwagon (if PX was scum, he couldn't jump back on the Schezo wagon without looking really iffy), which compliments my theory that scum (or at least rdj's player slot) were waffling over whether or not they should bus Serela. It should be noted that even though Serela would have been the leading wagon at that point, it was entirely possible for them to be tied up again if Helepolis had voted Bardiche, which would have seemed to be rather likely at the time. This is one of the things I find so damning about PX: it's as if he wanted to abuse the swinging of wagons to gain townie cred and make up for rdj's play, but gave up on this as soon as he had a player who wasn't Serela on which he could park his vote to, making his Serela vote much less believable.

I probably haven't been paying enough proper attention to Zakeri due to my D2 beliefs that the later jumps (Dormio and Bard) on his wagon looked iffy, but now that Bard has flipped town and Dormio is looking decent-ish in my eyes, Zak is a lot more worth looking into to me. I could possibly see him as scum due to his support of the Schezo wagon, and I would like to know how Serela's flip has affected his opinions on that.

Also, I'm surprised nobody has asked this yet, soooo: Helepolis, can you clarify your vote on Schezo, and why it stands after the way D2 turned out? I honestly can't understand why Schezo would be worth chasing today after Serela's flip, unless you believe that scum would set up scum/scum wagons on D2 for whatever reason (in which case I would like to hear why you believe that).
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 14, 2011, 09:15:14 PM
I will read all of this tomorrow as my mother's birthday is more important than this and I got more worries on my head. Not to mention guests just left and am tired so going to bed.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 09:24:06 PM
Hmm...you might have a point, HW. Can you link me the stuff surrounding PX's vote switchans? And what you think stands out?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 09:40:13 PM
Slight IIoA warning since I already analyzed this stuff in previous posts anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
Okay.
I have had some sleep.
And now have to blue to mellow me out.
But Helepolis.
Why must you do everything in your power to anger me?
And that is why I keep repeating probably for the N-th time: It wouldn't have cost us a lynch because I was going to hammer no matter what.
Except for the part where you didn't, hammered late, then got the lynch through sheer luck.

- How your vendetta with nothing else than post spam, make me a scum.
I am making perfectly valid points.
Was I angry when I was writing them? Yes.
Does that make them any less valid? No.
I like how you are brushing aside every single argument I make against you.
But whatever, I am going to work off the assumption that you are going to be lynched today.
Making another post.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
It begins, again.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
Hmm...
That's...rather convincing, HW. Though it's hard to reconcile Hele scum with PX scum :S...though Zak scum would fit in neatly with PX, I think...
Ughhh...don't know what to do!

For...the time being I lean Hele scum over PX, but my faith in PX town is heavily shaken. I think you have a point about us gaining if either is lynched.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 10:30:09 PM
UK, were you informed by the moderator when Bard turned you into a bomb? I've been thinking about something and it has made me rather curious.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 10:42:08 PM
I was not, actually.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
Words are hard.

Zakeri is constantly lurking. (He should have been prodded again)
All that inactivity doesn't really give me much to go off.
His last notable post was this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg600264.html#msg600264) where he attacks lurkers.

PX I don't have anything to add on him right now.
I have been staring at this post for far too long.

Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Far, far too long.
I think I'm going to go find a source of caffeine.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 14, 2011, 10:47:32 PM
Ah.

In that case, what I was thinking about can't really be considered (not going to bother elaborating barring a request because it doesn't matter anymore and was set-up speculation anyway), so nevermind.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 14, 2011, 11:34:19 PM
Quote
I'm not exactly sure where HH stands, and I'd appreciate something from him elucidating this

Sorry if I wasn't clear before.

Helepolis-
Scum, I want this to happen today.
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l565/HangedHourai/remilia.jpg)
(convienient 150x150)

HW- Town. Any conspiracy theories I had on Yono are quelled. Add in how Neo voted Yono for being bad ED2, and I find townieness.

Zak- Hardcore lurker. I really don't know what to make of him until he starts existing once more and follows up on his questions and hunts. I would lean more slightly towards lurkscum.

Schezo- I wanna lean town. He made a darn good case on Neo earlier in the day and got on him and stayed before it was apparent he would become a wagon.

PX- No idea what to make of him. HW brings up a really good indepth argument on him and rdj. I would like it if PX could actually explain why he froze Bard or what he wanted to accomplish by doing so. Not yet willing to see him lynched over Hele until he comes back and starts playing. Dodges why he actually froze Bard and what he wanted to accomplish by it. Tell us please?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 14, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
Uh...conspicuous lack of thoughts on Dormio and I there.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 15, 2011, 12:04:53 AM
Everyone in the game? Ok then.

Dormio-
My main complaint before on him was his lack of conviction and willingness to switch between either wagon, which isn't inherently scummy, but made me uneasy. With his recent Hele bloodlust, I like his conviction, so neutral for the time being.

UK-
Townie. Makes valid cases, shows effort and conviction in votes. Pretty much it. No real complaints.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 15, 2011, 12:06:09 AM
Well, I didn't really need everyone in the game, you just had named 5/7 people (that you would talk about), so it seemed odd you didn't bring up the other two. Still, thank you for that.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Schezo on April 15, 2011, 02:18:59 AM
Oh my... Drama and it's time for bed I'll make my stuff in the morning.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 15, 2011, 02:48:00 AM
Voting
Helepolis(3): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai (L-2)
Schezo (1): Helepolis
PX(1): huh what

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri, PX

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
~42 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 05:18:25 AM
So, it's been ~9 hours since I posted my initial case.

I think PX owes me a proper defense of himself.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2011, 09:20:37 AM
I'm tired and everything looks blurry again.
This is not good.
Oh well.
Anyway.

Is there even anything to say to Zakeri other than "exist please"?

PX's dynamic entry where he leaped in, announced that D1 would take too much effort to read, then jumped onto the NeoSerela wagon with very little reasoning is wonderful, isn't it?
Also, is it just me or are all of his arguments on people with established wagons and then they're just repetitions of what everybody else has already said?

Also, so many avatar changes.
Isn't that supposed to be not allowed or something?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2011, 09:32:52 AM
@ Schezo & Miss UncertainKitten regarding the 3min-late-hammer. I had 2 reasons:
- I really wanted to see some last minute reactions going on. Who would push me with what post, who would freak out the most, who would try to prevent me.
- I took a huge risk by delaying it then my ISP fucked out and I was stomping my desk for it.
 
Also, I am not a mod. I don't know what the mods thought during that moment. You can think this as an excuse or not. I'll respect your choices and thoughts. Not going to argue there.

@ Miss UncertainKitten #694, feel free to answer those questions yourself as well if you think you need to.

Quote from: Huh what
Interestingly, if PX was expecting Helepolis to jump on Bardiche afterwards and tie the wagons up again, this could imply cooperation between the two (potential for PX/Hele buddying?). Also of note is the votefreeze on Bardiche slightly decreasing the chance of Serela having enough votes to be hammered on the deadline.
In the beginning of Day 2, I had voted for Bardiche out of frustration and slight anger. My Mistress does not approve that, she insisted me to reread all the posts carefully again and use my brain. When I read the posts it all connected for me. Bardiche was not scum and here is how I fooled actually people, thinking I would perhaps vote on Bardiche when the wagon came critical.

Read #446 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599501.html#msg599501) carefully then #447 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg599502.html#msg599502). Notice how I unvote and then make a post "Nah, he must be scum". I did this on purpose... just to give me a "valid" reason to start vote-camping until a different wagon than Bardiche started.

Why should I cooperate with somebody who is blocking Bardiche?! My intent was never to vote on Bardiche in the first play. I still don't get why I am being burned for being non-voter till last seconds. The only complaint being done by several people is the 3-min over time hammer. But see my first lines in response to Miss UK and Schezo.

@ Dormio #704, Anger you? Why should I anger you when I try to explain something? Because my words were bold and jerkish-sounding? I was just as unpleased as you were. I understood your rage, yet all I could do is sit and wait. About the "Luck", see again opening post. I cannot answer this, and you know I can't.

If you think I am so obvious scum, then

@ Miss UncertainKitten and Huh what 706 & #707, possible explanation also freeze blocks both vote and "movement" (touch) abilities.

Quote from: Huh what
Still, I'm probably going to switch to Hele by the end of the day since he's pretty much just Serela's obvbuddy right now
Should I make your lives easier with lynching me by simply voting for myself? It will put me on L-1 and given the twilight time, you people can discuss how I was miss-lynched, because that is the only way.



TL DR version;
I kind of understand the situation Bardiche was in #570 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg602012.html#msg602012).

The scum team's only "strong argument" vs me is the 3-minute-over-time-Neoserela-buddy case. There isn't any other strong case or argument against me I noticed. Huh what is the only one who came with a possible PX + Hele cooperation theory. Oh yea and there was Hanged Hourai who thinks I tried to protect Neoserela because I insisted him to start moving. I insisted him on starting to communicate and not vote-camp. Yet he gets away unquestioned for that.

What did the rest come up with? Exactly, nothing. 0, nada, null.

I am being burned on the reasons people do themselves, but because I am the obvious newbie, I get burned. Because it is easy.

- Helepolis, you are lurking. Start doing something you scum.
- Helepolis, you are making weak cases, start doing something you scum.
- Helepolis, you don't contribute anything useful. Start doing something you scum.
- Helepolis, you voted too late it was luck/fate/Tewi/Yukari/Eirin. You are scum.

If you really want to abuse my "newbie" status at least do it with a straight face and not with lousy and weak arguments and keep revolving around the same thing. Oh wait, this is Mafia. Logically such tactics will be used. I am fine with that, but what puzzles me is that the Townies do not consider it.

"My dear and sweet Lady Scarlet, if this Lynch will put me out of my miseries as you said, I will take it gladly. As I do not want to see another day within this town, not within this body I hate being in... I wish I could be immortal or scatter into bats like you my Lady. Please forgive this town for their sins and do not hold grudges."
 
##Unvote
##Vote Helepolis


Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 15, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Voting
Helepolis(4): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai, Helepolis (L-1)
PX(1): huh what

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri, PX

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
~35 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Giving up isn't going to help your alignment provided you really are town. <_<

The least you could do is claim. I could probably be convinced to stay on PX if you defend yourself well, but giving up isn't going to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2011, 07:05:50 PM
I already said it didn't I Huh what, I hate for being in this body. My Lady also hates it, but insisted me to fight and surely it would be cured once all the evil has been purged from the town.

By the way, do you want to form a contract with me?
(http://i51.tinypic.com/23icfbs.jpg)

I am Kyuubey  . . .  sfx_ZUN.wav


Yes, you read it right. Cursed by the Moderators of this forsaken game. I formed a contract with them to help out the Town with my magical abilities and got turned into this. I am all kinds of magical as you may currently guess and wonder. Now, come on! Form a contract with me! I'll make you magical if you form a contract with me.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 07:10:36 PM
Never watched Madoka, but I honestly feel you're just trolling if you're going to respond with something like that. <_< Claiming when you're the about to be lynched is standard procedure, so I don't see why you're being all cagey about it. I'd be tempted to hammer you right now but I still want to hear from PX and Zak.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 07:11:31 PM
Unless you're not joking Pesco is actually enough of a bastard to make Cubey or however the hell you spell its name a role in this game.

I don't even know anymore.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 15, 2011, 07:12:32 PM
Well, QB WOULD be a contracter

But obviously scum :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 07:14:07 PM
Yeahhh.

So, should I hammer him or do we wait around for PX and Zak? There's really nothing to lose by just removing Hele right now, but it's possible that one of PX and Zak could die at the same time and we'd have lost their input entirely.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2011, 07:17:41 PM
And you think I am enjoying this, Huh what? Trolling? If you would have been in my character now, you would be "WTF IS THIS SHIT" I never watched Madoka either. I don't even know what the hell the anime is about except reading Kyuubey being pulverized by various artists. On IRC,  Vic viper and co are trolling me by continuously spamming that ASCII face of it. There is even an pool on Danbooru (Everybody hates Kyuubey).

Trolling? How do you expect me to play a role being such a character.

Everybody is laughing again at the Scarlet Devil Mansion. Even Little Mistress is teasing me for it. Can you imagine the horror? From a fine butler, into some magical rabbit? How annoying it might be. Thanks to my magic my presence was human, but now there is no need to conceal myself any longer. People might have just see a magical rabbit running around in Town. They'll get used to something.


I have been monitoring the situation. Your freezing on Bardiche surely prevented him from Lynching Serela and most likely also blocked his abilities to use his bombing touch skill. You evaded that question when you directly were talking to me.

You can go ahead and Lynch me now. And then your reaction will be "No way, you got to be kidding me".  But the moment PX responds and fails to properly explain himself for freezing Bardiche, the moment I will unvote and vote for him.

Huh what, I am sure that is a fair option. If you doubt me, you can Lynch me at any given time. If you believe this, than I will will unvote myself and place a vote. Win-win situation.

A Scarlet Devil Mansion member is always loyal to his words.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 07:21:48 PM
I haven't been to meido in ages and I don't even post outside of mafia much anymore, so I have no way of knowing whether or not you watch Madoka.

I'll wait around for PX, at least.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 07:24:56 PM
Though, I find it interesting that you didn't claim anything beyond a name. Does this mean that you are vanilla?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2011, 07:27:59 PM
Cut by Huh what


Well like I said Huh what, I gave you my fair deal. I could have unvoted right this instant if I was not loyal to my words. You still have your Lynch ability on me. I am not going to remove it until PX replies properly. Any failure from him will make me unvote and vote for him. That is my deal and word.

I like also how you have been pushing everybody around UncertainKitten, but actually never held true to any of your words. "Day 2 I will come down hard on lurkers". Yea, of course you will. Schezo and Zakeri and now PX being the obvious lurkers.

Also I wish I could ask Bardiche why he exactly bombed you. His ability also allowed him remote explosions reading from the wiki profile. I am sure he would have killed you off if he was not frozen. Unfortunately, a dead man does not talk.

So, Miss UncertainKitten. Do you want to be magical?

##Contract UncertainKitten

At least it will prevent you from doing anything harmful to town, just in case you have an ability. Though this will most likely give me major disadvantage and render me vulnerable to unnatural damage as well.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 15, 2011, 08:29:20 PM
Uh...what? Explain, in detail, what the contract does. Now.

Also, there's the fact that we LYNCHED the most likely lurker scum. And that I'm willing to lynch PX. I don't find Schezo suspicious, though I wish he'd post.

I've ALSO said Zak might be scum.

So what the hell game are YOU playing Hele? Learn to read, as you've been telling Dormio.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2011, 09:03:21 PM
Hahahahahahaha.
QB lolwut.
What is this I don't even.
Playing some DotS now.
I'll make a proper post later.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 15, 2011, 10:16:14 PM
Voting
Helepolis(4): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai, Helepolis (L-1)
PX(1): huh what

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri, PX

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
Under 22 hours remain
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2011, 10:28:51 PM
Helepolis, just go die already.
I mean, can't you think up a better role than QB in DtB mafia?

Zakeri should be prodded now... again.

PX should have been prodded a while ago too.

Making another post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Schezo on April 15, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
It would be nice if I posted, wouldn't it... :ohdear:

OK so huhwhat just brings out a beautiful 696 case on rdPX  In his 698 followup, I could be willing to buy the theory that if Hele isn't scum, for whatever reason, it would make PX almost confirmed scum because of his past actions.  Also if Hele is indeed scum like he should be it discredits the PX scum theory by quite a bit. That leaves me where, exactly?  That huhwhat is pretty much confirmed townie in my eyes.

Also, I'm surprised nobody has asked this yet, soooo: Helepolis, can you clarify your vote on Schezo, and why it stands after the way D2 turned out? I honestly can't understand why Schezo would be worth chasing today after Serela's flip, unless you believe that scum would set up scum/scum wagons on D2 for whatever reason (in which case I would like to hear why you believe that).
Can you at least place a whole case in your own words down so I can tell what you are voting me for? 
Ahem... >_>  Although I don't know where to go with this since he apparently dropped me in favor of himself...  Hele if you really are town I think there may be a chance for you to redeem yourself (just vote someone first) make some cases and then really I think we all would love to know what ##Contract does, right now and in detail.  I'm warning you, please don't lie.

Hourai: You know what would really be nice, is if you came forward with some more opinions than this silly post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg603523.html#msg603523).  No really, all I got from this is "I want Hele dead, HW seems town" the rest is just a waffle on Zakeri me and PX.  I'm willing to buy into a theory that he may the third scum since he intentionally didn't give a hard opinion on PX when after saying he agreed with the huh what good postTM.  Why not say he's scummy or he isn't based on this information, you don't have to wait.  He asks so he can wait for a response to go off of, which is giving me the vibe that he wants to hold off implicating his possible buddy as long as possible.  I have to reread his past actions because he was for the most part forgettable this game.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 15, 2011, 11:45:26 PM
I am the strength of my vote
Power Role is my body, and Town is my blood
I have lynched over a thousand people
Unaware of Masons
Nor aware of scum
Pushing one towards lynch
I have no regrets, this is my only path.
My whole life was,
Unlimited Gamble Works


##Vote: Helepolis
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 15, 2011, 11:50:14 PM
Voting
Helepolis(5): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai, Helepolis, PX Lynched
PX(1): huh what

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri

8 alive 5 votes to lynch
Twilight will be between 6 and 12 hours
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 11:51:56 PM
Well, that explains why he disappeared at least. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Hey, can we talk about game-related things during twilight? You never specifically said we could, but you never specifcally said we could talk about game-related things during the day, sooo... :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 15, 2011, 11:54:09 PM
You know, I wanted to do that earlier today :D

Also, I could probably bs about a dozen reasons why I froze Bardiche. My answer? Wtf was I thinking? Meh, posting in the morning before school.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Schezo on April 15, 2011, 11:54:55 PM
Or we could just totally not let him explain whatever the hell investigate does. GJ looking more antitown PX. :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
Or wait, I guess we can. I totally forgot about D1, oh well.

I'm assuming PX is scum and just gave up to lynch townie Helepolis. I'd be interested in looking into one of UK and Zakeri for his buddy, probably Zak.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 15, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
We'll see when Hele flips. Of course, if he is scum, then what?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 15, 2011, 11:59:19 PM
I don't know, but given that he was hammered by one of the scummiest players alive before he could explain his role, and said player has all but confessed to being scum, I somehow don't think that's the case.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 12:02:03 AM
Btw Pesco, you still haven't answered if I can freeze myself. What gives.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 12:03:30 AM
Well...that was special. Though it seems kind of idiotic for scum to just hammer out of nowhere like that with pending info.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 12:09:13 AM
What just happened?
I... wha... huh?
brb gonna hang myself
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 16, 2011, 12:12:35 AM
Well...that was special. Though it seems kind of idiotic for scum to just hammer out of nowhere like that with pending info.
It seems kind of idiotic for any[/u] alignment to hammer out of nowhere like that.

(It's also possible scum had rolecopped Hele and knew what his role did already.)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 16, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
... Wow, I am a derp. <_< Remind me not to post when raging at my internet connection.

It's pretty obvious what those tags should be anyway.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 12:13:56 AM
Btw Pesco, you still haven't answered if I can freeze myself. What gives.

Stop asking stupid questions.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 16, 2011, 12:15:38 AM
Pesco, can I switch my vote with my own vote?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 12:15:47 AM
Yeah, the main thing I wanted to do was the freeze myself. :|
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 12:17:12 AM
Warning - while you were typing 12 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
........
WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE.
Gddmn.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa
Okay, going to try to sort through this mess.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
No selfcest in my game pls.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 16, 2011, 12:25:21 AM
So much potential involving Shadoweh's role gone to waste.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 01:16:14 AM
What just happened?
I... wha... huh?
Trying to work on an assignment whilst being thoroughly confused by what is happening here is not the best idea.
Clearly I must set my priorities straight and make a mafia post.
Anyway.

What the hell PX.
Is it just me or is this highly reminiscent of what he did against NeoSerela as soon as he walked in?
I may be mistaken about this, but I don't think I am, but PX hasn't made a single original case, either.

Zakeri, come play with us.
We don't bite, for the most part.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
:V:V:V:V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 01:27:09 AM
...What do you mean Shadoweh's role? How do you know about her role? EH???????????

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i74/Naruto_Fan_101/Umineko%20No%20Naku%20Koro%20Ni/Beatrice/010.gif)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 01:29:50 AM
Pretty sure that was in reference to some hawt ShadowehxShadoweh action.
Which I demand once this game is over.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 16, 2011, 01:36:36 AM
...What do you mean Shadoweh's role? How do you know about her role? EH???????????

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i74/Naruto_Fan_101/Umineko%20No%20Naku%20Koro%20Ni/Beatrice/010.gif)
PX just claimed scum. Note what the moderator uses red text for in this game.

(Also, Caedo is correct.)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 16, 2011, 02:28:10 AM
Quote from: Everyone
Where is Zakeri?

Haven't been rereading -> can't analyze -> no opinions -> nothing to post, yadda yadda.

I mean, I suppose I could just keep posting "reread to come soon, BTW, Helepolis/whoever else looks kinda bad as well." But that just seems like a complete cop out to me.

Also, I was going to suddenly hammer Helepolis, but the internet cut out before I could post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
So I stole Zak's ninja hammer. Yay.

Also, I only claimed November 11. Stop making stuff up now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 06:01:11 AM
Just a question. If Zak came to ninja hammer Hele, would he be the obv. scum lynch?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 06:13:57 AM
Voting
Helepolis(5): Dormio, UncertainKitten, Hourai, Helepolis, PX Lynched
PX(1): huh what

Not Voting
Schezo, Zakeri

[attach = 1]
Helepolis - Kyuubey - not a character from Darker than Black lynched Day 3

[attach = 2]
Huh what - Jean - contractor killed Day 3

[attach = 3]
Zakeri - Mao - cat killed Day 3

5 alive, 3 votes to lynch.
You are in Lylo. Deadline in 120 hours from the time of this post.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 06:20:51 AM
Pesco, you suck. As such, I am going to channel your first post mindhax.

"[23:23] <+EX-Keine-tan> PX: 5"

##Vote: Schezo
##Freeze: Schezo


DIE SCUM!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 06:30:26 AM
Oh you evil evil mod. QB. Really?

PX, you do not have not one redeeming piece of towniness to your name. WTF are you doing?
This is LYLO, explain your case now.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 06:34:00 AM
Wow.
WOW.
What.
The.
Pesco.
What.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 06:50:26 AM
First of all, I just want to say this.
YOU ARE ALL TERRIBLE AT BEING TOWN.
Seriously.
What.
Zakeri and Helepolis were both town.
God.
I need to read this when I'm not feeling like a failure.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:00:30 AM
And PX.
What the hell.
It's LYLO, if you're town why the hell would your throw your vote like that?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:15:04 AM
Wait, what the hell.
Did PX just seriously put his vote on Schezo, then freeze Schezo who has yet to put down a vote?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:16:37 AM
yes.

And if it wasn't 2 AM I would be making my case right now, even without a vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:22:03 AM
......
Fuck.
huh what is dead.
I just realized that he was our vote-swapper.
PX. You. Die. Now.

##Vote PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:22:51 AM
Formal case incoming.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 07:23:02 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: PX


The reason I froze Bardiche was because I wanted to freeze my vote on D2, and since I couldn't freeze myself, Bardiche was the first one I thought of. Here's proof that my vote is frozen as well.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:25:58 AM
Once again.  How is freezing two people's vote in LYLO no less town minded at all?  I mean how can you really be town and even if you are, you just froze two town votes so scums could make a lynch without any other person for the other town to cross with.  What are you doing?
let's try:
##Vote: PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:26:57 AM
Once again.  How is freezing two people's vote in LYLO no less town minded at all?
YOU. JUST. DISABLED. TWO. VOTES. OUT. OF. FIVE. IN. LYLO.
AND. WE. NEED. THREE. FOR. A. LYNCH.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 07:27:41 AM
And why in the world did you want to freeze your vote on yourself D2?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 07:28:38 AM
Also, whatever happened to your smoking thing?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 07:29:15 AM
@mod votecount plz
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:29:25 AM
Do you know what I think?
I think he tested it out D2 JUST so that he could pull this crap today.
Because if scum gets a no lynch today, we lose.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:30:01 AM
(He ran out of cigerettes,  :V)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 07:30:52 AM
Vote count
Schezo (1): PX (L-2)
PX (1): Dormio (L-2)

Not voting
Schezo, Hourai, UK

5 alive, 3 votes to lynch
lots of time left.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:32:21 AM
Wow.
Fucking great.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
Oh my, You get the fuck out of here with that... >:|
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 07:51:57 AM
Actually, there's no need to keep up this charade anymore, is there?

##Unvote

Hello there you uneducated masses, I'm Dr. Robert Schroeder, Human
You know the second kill Helepolis kept bringing up?
Guess who performed them? :)
Honestly, the hardest part of this role is trying to look town enough to avoid getting lynched whilst looking scummy enough to avoid getting night killed.

Now let us sit back and take it easy.

Also, Hourai, you suck at traitor.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
PX!  If your bitchass doesn't unfreeze me right now!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:01:28 AM
I freaking knew it. Damn you logic for getting in the way of my gut.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 08:18:05 AM
 :P
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 08:20:42 AM
Also, Helepolis, I love you bro.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:25:49 AM
Right then, I'm gonna go to sleep now.
Seeya in a few hours, if we aren't already in postgame discussion.

##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 08:30:05 AM
Le sigh.
Today is going to be a long, long day.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 09:07:04 AM
Vote count
Schezo (1): PX (L-2)
Dormio (1): Hourai (L-2)

Not voting
Schezo, UK, Dormio

5 alive, 3 votes to lynch
lots of time left.

Deadline count
Reduce the deadline to 48 hours to get around 5 days of can't get a lynch (0):

Not voting
PX, Schezo, Hourai, Dormio, UK
3 to reduce deadline
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 09:09:18 AM
How many to reduce deadline?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 09:09:50 AM
Also, I unvoted.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
##Reduce Deadline
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 03:22:58 PM
##Reduce Deadline

Not sure what to make of Dormio's claim.

I want PX dead. Is there ANY reason, whatsoever, I should not vote him in my next post? There's pretty much no possible way he's town, but maybe. Just MAYBE. I missed something.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
Well. I don't have anything to say until I get a vote back but meh.
##Reduce Deadline
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 08:07:25 PM
OK. So, I've run numbers.

Guess what! Town is officially fucked, assuming Dormio claimed SK! Our best bet is to lynch PX mafia and hope for a cross kill! Isn't that exciting?

##Vote PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
Actually I think Dormio claimed traitor with NKs. Which means he may have direct knowledge of what scum is going to do, which may mean no cross kill.

But yeah, town is pretty much dead unless someone steps up with a new PR. I'm good with anything at this point.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:15:39 PM
Helepolis, unrelentingly curbstomp Dormio in DotS when you get a chance plz.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
Quote from: Dorm
Honestly, the hardest part of this role is trying to look town enough to avoid getting lynched whilst looking scummy enough to avoid getting night killed.

This reads third party serial killer. Usually traitors get recruited with the NK, IIRC.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
exhibit a
Quote
Also, Hourai, you suck at traitor.

exhibit b
He put his name in red

Usually traitors get recruited with the NK, IIRC.
My role last game says hi.

I'm leaning toward traitor. But yeah town's dead, I'm ok with lynching PX too.
Any input on this, Schezo?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
PX should be voting himself, really.

He did the double octothorpe and everything. I have no idea why Pesco failed to count it?

Anyway, you MAY be hammering if Pesco had an oversight. If you're fine with ending the day, go ahead and vote.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 08:31:01 PM
Oh, I get it now. PX freezes himself AND his target. So so much for potentially standing a chance.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Schezo on April 16, 2011, 08:42:39 PM
My input is that this is so shitty. Gah I'm sure that the scums are Dormio and PX at this point.

Work dammit work!
##Vote: PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
@mod Are we able to vote for a No Lynch?
Also votecount plz


Because scum lynch is likely not going down today, and I'd rather leave my chances to the night phase than just give up.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
A no lynch...is a bad idea as well. Run the numbers. Do NOT talk about them.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 09:07:55 PM
Though, Dormio, I have one question: What makes you think you're not going to die tonight? Why did you claim? No lynch or lynch, I don't see why scum WOULDN'T shoot you. It's about the only way they have a chance at winning, if I did the numbers right?

I'm guessing you're NK immune? Even in that case, you NEED a scum lynch today, I think.

Ugh, numbers are hard!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 16, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
i am the SK, it is me.
To be honest, because I was bored and wanted some shits and giggles.
I mean, scum should have figured immediately that I'm the SK.
If I were scum that would make 3 scum in 5p LYLO. :V
I don't really care about town or scum, since if I can get through tonight I've already won.
Unless I get night killed tonight.
I just need to reduce either team's number to 0.
Either way, I really want to survive until tomorrow so I can win.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
I'm not night kill immune, but I get a slightly easier win condition to compensate for it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 11:08:53 PM
Then you don't care about who you lynch? Would you be willing work with us to kill PX since that would make you closer to your wincon?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 11:12:07 PM
Yeah. Lynch PX, shoot whoever's scum with him. Hell, you have a lot more leeway lynching scum than you do town.

I'd probably want you dead otherwise but..I don't think town can win without you.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
Wait, what?
I don't really care about town or scum, since if I can get through tonight I've already won.
Unless I get night killed tonight.

I'm not night kill immune

This is making me wary about your claim. Why divulge that?  :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 16, 2011, 11:17:41 PM
HH: Don't ask that. I have an idea and you're not doing good townie things. I think we should leave the claim as is. But I do think that's another reason Dormio should throw in with town.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: PX on April 16, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
Just lynch me already then.

I swear, if Schezo ends up being scum....
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Pesco on April 16, 2011, 11:24:21 PM
Vote count
Schezo (1): PX (L-2)
Dormio (1): Hourai (L-2)
PX (1): UK (L-2)

Not voting
Schezo, Dormio

5 alive, 3 votes to lynch
Deadline reduced. But I'm not having it at some retarded time for me. You have 48 +x hours. X being a random number between 1 and 12.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 16, 2011, 11:31:50 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: PX


Welp, here goes nothing.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 12:44:20 AM
Huh.
Well, here's hoping that I don't get nightkilled.
Because that would be really jerk. :/

##Vote PX
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:22:28 AM
It sure has been a while since the hammer. :/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:48:44 AM
So quiet. :(
Wonder if we can count this as twilight. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:59:18 AM
Let's run off possible scenarios since nothing is happening.
I get nightkilled and PX flips town, scum wins.
I get nightkilled and PX flips scum, LYLO with 2 town and 1 scum.
2 scum die, town and I win.
2 town die, scum and I win.
1 scum and 1 town die, whichever faction gets lynched tomorrow and I win.
Alternatively, I get lynched and scum wins.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
... Wait a moment.
I forgot the PX lynch in that.
orz.

If PX flips scum:
2 town get nightkilled, scum and I win.
2 scum get nightkilled, not possible unless the final scum feels like suiciding.
1 town and one scum get nightkilled, town and I win.
1 town and I get nightkilled, scum wins.
1 scum and I get nightkilled, town wins.

If PX flips town:
2 town get nightkilled, not possible.
2 scum get nightkilled, not possible.
1 town and 1 scum get nightkilled, scum and I win.
1 town and I get nightkilled, scum win.
1 scum and I get nightkilled, scum win.

Welp.
This sucks.
PX YOU BETTER FLIP SCUM, YOU FOREVER SCUM.
Because if he doesn't flip scum are guaranteed a win if they kill me.
:/
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 09:23:54 AM
Because if he doesn't flip scum are guaranteed a win if they kill me.
:/
Actually, they're guaranteed the win regardless.
Huh.
Either way, I don't want to die. :(
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
Oh, I didn't include me and scum hitting the same town target either.
In which case, if PX flips town and scum and I hit the same townie, scum and I win.
And if PX flips scum and scum and I hit the same townie, 3p LYLO where:
If scum is lynched, town and I win.
If town is lynched, scum and I win.
If I'm lynched, scum wins.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 11:56:03 AM
Uh...
The game is still going on right?
So lonely.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 4)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
I'm...kind of wondering where Pesco is, really. THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!!!!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 17, 2011, 02:37:12 PM
Vote count
Schezo (1): PX (L-2)
PX (3): UK, Hourai, Dormio Lynched

Not voting
Schezo

[attach = 1]
PX - November 11 - Contractor lynched Day 4

[attach = 2]
UK - Wei Zhijun - Contractor killed Day 4

[attach = 3]
Dormio - Dr Schroeder - Human scientist killed Day 4

'This observer doll's name was July, wasn't it?' thought Misaki to herself.

She recalled that July worked with November 11. November was one of the good guys, therefore July probably wasn't a threat.

How wrong she was. The moment she turned her back to July, he put his glass bottle through the back of her head.


[attach = 4]
Hourai - Kirihara Misaki - Human cop endgamed

[attach = 5]
Schezo - July - Observer doll winner
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
Heh, so you figured it out at the end, huh Dormio?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 17, 2011, 02:45:15 PM
Scum team
=============
Huang

You are a human who has worked with Contractors for a long time. You know their ins and outs so well that their abilities are no match for you. You are a threat to the town faction.

You are immune to being killed by abilities, investigative powers and blocking powers. You may communicate with your team at any time here (http://). In the game you may speak and have 1 vote. You may perform your factional kill.

Confirm in the game thread and the linked QT.

A safe claim is available on request.

You win when your faction controls at least 50% of the active votes or if nothing can prevent that state from happeing.

-------------

July

You are an observer doll that exists for function only. But you have developed some self-conscious thought. You are a threat to the town faction.

You may ##Observe a player once per game day. This ability does not need to be declared in public. Observing will grant you full role information (exactly what is written in the abilities paragraph of the player's role PM), tracking information and watching information until a lynch is declared. You may communicate with your team at any time here (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AUq3NYpW59jZm). In the game you may speak and have 1 vote. You may perform your factional kill.

Confirm in the game thread and the linked QT.

A safe claim is available on request.

You win when your faction controls at least 50% of the active votes or if nothing can prevent that state from happeing.

-------------

Wei Zhijun

You are a contractor that specialises in killing. Once you have marked your target, they are guaranteed to die. You are a threat to the town faction.

You may ##Bloody a player at any time. This ability does not need to be declared in public. Using your ability will cause you to require 1 less vote to be lynched for the game day. If you use your ability more than once per game day, each use of the ability will add a permanent decrease in the number of votes required to lynch you. If you perform your factional kill on a target that you have Bloodied, the kill will be unstoppable by any means. Players marked by Bloody stay marked until they die or the game ends. You may communicate with your team at any time here (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AUq3NYpW59jZm). In the game you may speak and have 1 vote. You may perform your factional kill.

Confirm in the game thread and the linked QT.

A safe claim is available on request.

You win when your faction controls at least 50% of the active votes or if nothing can prevent that state from happeing.

-------------

SK

=============

Dr Schroeder

You are a human scientist that has invented a weapon capable of genociding contractors. You hold a portable version that can disable them too. You are not a threat to the town faction.

You may ##Gate a player you suspect to be a contractor to make them permanently lose their abilities. You may ##Saturn Ring a player you suspect to be a contractor to kill them. Your abilities do not need to be declared in public. Your abilities do nothing to players who are not contractors. You may only use one of these abilities per game day.

In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win as the sole winner at any time if all contractors are dead. You win as a survivor with any other faction if all surviving contractors have lost their abilities.

-------------

Town

=============

Gai Kurasawa

You are a human detective that uses unorthodox methods to solve mysteries and crimes, is afraid of cats, has horrible body odor and athlete's foot, and is struggling financially.

In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Misaki Kirihara

You are a human cop that likes eating greasy food but claims to stay fit due to constantly moving around everyday as part of her job.

In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Mao

You are a talking cat in all forms except that you are actually a contractor stuck in the body of a cat.

You may ##Stalk a player once per game day. This ability does not need to be declared in public. You will find out the target, if any during the game day, of your Stalked player. In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

November 11

You are a contractor with the ability to freeze liquids. Your price is to smoke tobacco.

You may ##Freeze a player once per game day. This ability must be declared in public. A player that is Frozen may no longer move their vote, if they are not voting anyone it stays non-voting. Using this ability will disable you from moving your own vote for the rest of the game day. In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Maki

You are a contractor with the ability to cause the things you have touched to spontaneously combust. Your price is to drink hot milk.

You may ##Touch a player once per game day. This ability must be declared in public. A player you have Touched will gain the abilities of a Bomb. A Bomb will kill the person who places the final vote in the case of their lynch, or kill the attacker in the case of a kill action. Only 1 Bomb may be in play at a time. You may only use your ability again once the last Touched player is dead. Using your ability will require you to not speak for the rest of the game day. In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Amber

You are a contractor with the ability to control time. Your price is aging backwards. You are also the leader of Evening Primrose.

As the leader of EPR, you know that the following players are contractors: UncertainKitten, Zakeri, rdj, Bardiche, Shadoweh, Yonowaaru

You may ##Timetwist once per game. This ability does not need to be declared in public. You may use your ability after a lynch is reached but before the flip is announced to cancel the lynch of a contractor only. When you Timetwist, the game day's timer is reset and all votes are removed. Using your ability will cause you to die. In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Mikhail Pavlichenko

You are a human scientist who knows the true history of Suou's existence.

In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

-------------

Jean

You are a contractor with the ability to substitute matter. Your price is methodoligical arrangement of objects.

You may ##Switch any 2 players' votes at any time. This ability must be declared in public. The affected players will switch voting positions if they are currently voting on a wagon. Your ability may also be used to swaitch a non-voting player into voting and the voting player will become non-voting. Using your ability will require you to arrange your next post into a square. It must contain at least 25 different words.In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

Sample code for making a 5x5 square
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[tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr]
[tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr]
[tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr]
[tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr]
[tr] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [td][/td] [/tr]

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Mina Hazuki

You are a contractor with the ability to energize objects. Your price is to kiss other people.

You may grant another player protection from effects that would directly kill them once per game day. There is no keyword to use your ability. When you use your ability, you must roleplay a scene where you kiss your target. This may not be less than 50 words in length. You may change targets at any time. You may not kiss yourself. You innately have limited immunity from some abilities. In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

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Kyuubey

You are not a character from Darker than Black.

In the game you may speak and have 1 vote.

Confirm in the game thread.

You win when all threats to town are removed from the game.

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Mod notes

Mina's innate prevents her from losing abilities to Schroeder's Gate, being made into a bomb by Maki's Touch and being marked by Wei's Bloody.
Mina's protection will remove Maki's Touch from the target, prevent Schroeder's Saturn Ring and prevent scum's factional kill.
Dr Schroeder is not required to do anything to Mao to fulfill his win conditions.

Huang - NeoSerela
July - Schezo
Wei Zhijun - UK
Dr Schroeder - Dormio
Gai Kurasawa - capt H
Misaki Kirihara - Hanged Hourai
Mao - Zakeri
November 11 - rdj
Maki - Bardiche
Amber - Serpentarius
Mikhail Pavlichenko - Conqueror
Jean - Yonowaaru
Mina Hazuki - Shadoweh
Kyuubey - Helepolis

Day 1
Dormio ##Saturn Ring Conqueror Target changed
Shadoweh ##Kiss NeoSerela Target changed
Shadoweh ##Kiss Bard
Dormio ##Saturn Ring Shadoweh
Zakeri ##Stalk Bard
Schezo ##Observe Bard - Shadoweh and Zak already targeted Bard
Bard ##Touch Shadoweh - Touch fails due to innate protection, action seen by Schezo
NeoSerela ##NK Serp

Day 2

Schezo ##Observe Zak
Dormio ##Saturn Ring Bard Target change
HW ##Switch HW and PX
Zak ##Stalk HW
Dormio ##Saturn Ring HW Target change
Dormio ##Saturn Ring Bard
PX ##Freeze Bard
Bard ## Touch UK

Day 3

Schezo ##Observe Helepolis
Dormio ##Saturn Ring HW Target changed
Dormio ##Saturn Ring PX Target changed
Zakeri ##Stalk PX
UK ##Bloody Zakeri
Dormio ##Saturn Ring HW
UK ##Kill Zakeri

Day 4

PX ##Freeze Schezo
Dormio ##Saturn Ring PX Target changed
Schezo ##Observe Dormio
UK ##Bloody Dormio
UK ##Kill Dormio
Dormio ##Saturn Ring UK

ModQT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WxvrBLYmbwWPs)
ScumQT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AUq3NYpW59jZm)
DeadQT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/SEt7BVSgKP8fW)
Dormio's blogQT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/CkQy27LZLQXj)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 02:52:04 PM
So, I may say some mean things in the scum QT. Sorry ^-^;
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: capt. h on April 17, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
I saw the part about policy vigging me.  :(
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2011, 03:12:29 PM
Dormio tried to kill UK even though it was suicide as she was a bomb? Oh you silly. Coulda Gate'd her and hope she didn't NK you ;P

In general, it was really bad for town that Dormio decided to kill contractors instead of removing their abilities.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 17, 2011, 03:14:14 PM
The only other person on my side in LYLO was PX. What. Dear god, I was destined to lose.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
@Capt. h.: Yes, and your posts in the dead thread don't really change my mind, capt. h. Aggressiveness is not anti town. Being a bitch is. But aggressiveness forces people out of their comfort zones. Scum out of their comfort zone more obviously become scum. Obviously, I wasn't trying to catch scum this game so OF COURSE I was bad for town.

Still reading though.

@HH: Sorry ^-^
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 17, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FUTUREHAX

Quote from: Me, pregame
And now watch and be amazed as the Amazing Hanged Hourai somehow manages to once again:

1.Get a power role.
2.Fail to use said power role to help alignment.
3. Make multiple people lose townie cred simultaneously with my flip.
4. Provide no suitable scum meta for future games.
5. Die in yet another way.

1. I was a cop. :V
2. :V :V :V
3. With my flip, we learned Schezo was mod confirmed scum
4. :V
5. Endgame'd

Thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
My kill logic was more people who were active and actually stood a chance of catching us. So, kind of right that I was killing people that suspected me, but that wasn't the sole reason.

Conq, you are so right. When I voted Yono I even thought "This is really fucking scummy if NeoSerela gets lynched. HOPE NO ONE NOTICES!"

capt. h.: I've done it before on my own. Shot him N1 after casing him D1. We've also lynched scum on D1 in past games, IIRC.

Shadoweh 275: Sums up EXACTLY what I wanna say to capt. h.

Conq 352: I knew Hele was vanilla, if you meant the ##Contract. I'm glad I was a good actor there.

@Hele: I didn't panic, you used an unknown action on me. As town I'd ALSO ask wtf you were doing. But, yes, I was scum.

@Conq 488: There SHOULD have been massclaim. The fact that no one suggested it was SUCH a fucking blessing. SUCH a fucking blessing. And I wasn't about to bring it up.

@Conq 510: Actually, I was trying to anti fish. And say that Dormio might be fakeclaiming but not to press it.

@capt. h. 536: Acting again. I could have easily posted a full analysis but it might have lead to undesirable actions on the part of those I was trying to manipulate.

@Conq 540: Yep.

Whew, that was a read.

Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Helepolis on April 17, 2011, 04:04:11 PM
I thought I was going to have an ice time playing Mafia for the first time.

But GODDAMN THAT R#r#$r@#@# RABBIT

Actually, maybe it was good I wasn't someone important (like contractor or important role) for my first game.



That said, as I said in publicQT, I am open for criticism on my gameplay and techniques. I got pretty well informed by Conqueror, Shadoweh and Bardiche but yea the others feel free to have constructive criticism.

Though I seriously wish people like Zakeri, HW, PX and HH would at least : effort : more in actually playing the game instead of being AFK.

My personal log:
Day 1 - I kind of were jumping high/low  left to right. Not making sense. Not knowing what the fuck to do. I major messed up by suspecting Shadoweh and Bardiche as scums. (FAIL)
Day 2 - I tried exactly the opposite (since it is my first game, why not try out immediately). So I started simply not-voting. Confirmed for myself Bardiche is 100% Town and Zakeri as well.
Day 2 end - I failed to submit on time the Lynch post because my ISP fucked up. This angered a lot of people. But the mods allowed it through. (I was headdesking). However it also made me self confirm Conqueror is 100% Town.
Day 3 - Logically, the damage was done and I was having hard time doing something here. Bardiche told me in QT I should have laid low (aka cool down). After I made my self-vote post, I went to bed later on. Though I shouldn't have self voted there. At that time I was suspecting PX and UK as Scum but already knew for myself Schezo was 100% scum.
Day 3 End - I claimed Kyuubey (GDI PESCO) and fake claimed bulletproof and ability. (wish I had that)

PX insta hammered without even thinking or communicating just like Zakeri did on Day 1. And he is Town. These kind of things makes me the most sad as a newbie who is trying to learn.


Personal experience
Yes it is fun to play, but no it is not fun to play as a total newbie. I don't know what was wrong with Zakeri and PX, especially PX who seem to be fucking around instead of actually playing the game. I am curious about your reply here.

Also Dormio, who didn't even try to shoot scums. I am curious if he intentionally picked out Townies instead of scums. Because some things were extremely obvious.



@ UK, Well you already checked me using abilities, so that power claim was kind of useless :V

How ever, just to correct you. I was not demoralized at my lynch death. Well, not because of the game but IRL suddenly my University studies backfired hard which made me extremely pissed off. Surprisingly it spawned a nice emotional message. I simply kept that emotion to further confirm for myself few people. That is where I suspected you actually scum but yea.

I should have played it smarter with my emo-post and remove the self-vote after I claimed Kyuubey. I was hoping PX , if he was town, not to be so stupid in ninja hammering.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2011, 04:33:54 PM
Pesco, I love your mindhax. If you guys voted with me, we could have won!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Edible on April 17, 2011, 04:34:29 PM
Pesco, I love your mindhax. If you guys voted with me, we could have won!!!!!!!!!

If you weren't a terrible player, they wouldn't have voted you!!!!!!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2011, 04:47:45 PM
Seriously, you shouldn't have used your ##Freeze at ALL, unless you were POSITIVE someone was scum, ESPECIALLY in LyLo. Not only did you use it, you used it via a random number generator. The fuck.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 17, 2011, 04:53:04 PM
It was just luck that his Freeze in LyLo was the exact right play to let town have a chance of winning. But that was too hopeful.

I don't think we need to go into detail with how many people are pissed off at PX for fucking around. An appropriate punishment will be decided on.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Helepolis on April 17, 2011, 05:13:36 PM
That leaves just Dormio for me then in question. I am curious about his motive. As from his QT I couldn't really conclude it.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 05:15:11 PM
Dormio's best bet was no lynch, by the way, though claiming in general made him an NK target.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 17, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
Dormio went for the Kill'em all win condition. It's his own fault he didn't think of PX being town.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: capt. h on April 17, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
Dormio went for the Kill'em all win condition. It's his own fault he didn't think of PX being town.

Dormio succeeded in the kill 'em all win condition.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
No. He ALMOST succeeded. And died in the final stretch.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 17, 2011, 05:20:34 PM
He needed to be alive for that.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: PX on April 17, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
Dormio tried a bluff. He wanted to look like a traitor (lol but that means too many scum!) so they wouldn't kill him. Too bad they copped him and found out he was actually 3rd party.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
Actually, we didn't know he was third party. We just knew what he could do. And it sounded SKish. I wasn't going to chance him being a REAL SK.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
Dormio, really, how did you expect to survive D4 claiming SK powers without claiming bulletproof.

And yeah, not sure why you would kill the bomb instead of gating her if survival is part of your wincon. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:11:01 PM
I got bored.
Also.
I still claim victory, since I got every contractor.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
Also, I believe this applies more than ever now.
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Whatever.
PX, you are still forever scum and I hate you forever.
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Seriously PX, what the hell.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2011, 07:15:40 PM
Reposting Shadoweh's interpretation of Dormio.  8)

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Durrrrmio

# brb vigging Helepolis

# @Whatthehuh u got sum gd point hop u don get NK 2nite lol

# RT @UKRageWorks RT @Whatthehuh: Hey Zakeri hasn't really been posting and PX's power is really scummy, do you think they're scum? // Oh yea I thnk dem 2 is scum 2 lol they kin gt lynch 2morow.

# @CharismaOjouSlave WTF IS VOTECOUNT 7 WHU TH FCK CARES ABUT VOTECOUNT 7 U TRYD NOT 2 HAMMR I THNK U R SCUM WHY RN'T U DED YET #votethefuckoutofhim

# oh hai scum kin i hamr u no ok tnx lol OMG NO DIE U R WRST PLAYR EVAR #votethefuckoutofhim

# @CharismaOjouSlave OMG WTF WAS WRNG WIF U GTFO #votethefuckoutofhim

# WTF HAMMR WUTS SO HARD TO UNDRSTND HAMMER NOW HMMRHMMRHMMR! #whatthehelepolis

# why dos evry1 gotta keep cutng me lol #warningchoochooimatrain

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Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Oh yeah.
Fuck you Pesco.
Guys, remember Zombie Mafia, you know the game that JUST happened?
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ITP Miller Survivor Conditional Vigilante isn't absurd at all! :D
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<Pesco> you're a third party miller conditional vig
Anyway, brb reading stuff.
And I hate you for NK'ing me.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 07:22:06 PM
Sorry Dormio :(. Couldn't chance you being straight SK.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 07:25:50 PM
TROLL MODS THIS GAAAAME! AND FFFFFFFFF DORMIO
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Everybody that talks when I do (Shadoweh, lol) is dead.
I do so hope that you appreciate the ring, Shadoweh. It's a symbol of my love for you.
If you wanted someone to talk to you shouldn't have killed me! JERK! My heart only belongs to Bardiche now <3 I hate to disapoint you again but ShadowehxShadoweh was strictly forbidden :<

Quote from: NeoSerela
AUGH SHADOWEH COOTIES GET IT OFF

Bahahaha! So how do you hide a Doctor protect when it has to come in the form of a 50 word roleplay scene involving sweet kisses to your target? You roleplay.. ALOT.  I admit I had fun with my role once I got past the "PESCO WHAT IS THIS" stage. I thought my 'limited immunity' was a one-shot bulletproof to make up for how obvious I had to be ;-; Considering the Anti-Contractor SK I don't think that would have been unreasonable. Instead it protected me from killing the SK with Bardiche's sweet touch. >:(

I posted a much less coherent version of this in the QT, but I feel this needs to be said again. Any member of town who thought Bard's and my antics were bad for town and we should have been honest about our roles: You're wrong. Every time I saw someone say 'hiding things from town is scummy' I smacked my forehead. There are times it's best to hide things from town because it also hides them from scum! Scum is already an informed majority! They benefit from the information far more then town does! I was the doctor and Bard made people into Bombs! Telling town what our roles did was not a benefit to town, we weren't investigators and couldn't clear anyone. It would save scum from having to rolecop us and from our traps for them. The only time mass roleclaims benefit town is at the end of the game when both the threat of nightkilling is irrelevant and there are enough flips to narrow down the lies scum can spin. UK was right in that people should have just ignored it, which is sad because she was the scum.

UK wasn't just scum, she was obvscum! She directed people towards lynches and just sat back the entire game after Day 2. I don't know how she became a townie supersaint for lynching capt.h for 'emotion'. Lynching people because they frustrate you isn't a townie clear, it's a scumtell! If anyone had looked back, she kept waffling on her reasons. But there was not much looking back going on by people who were actually there Day 1 to notice this.

NeoSerela was obvscum. You will all note in the scum QT the rolecop got his info about ##Touch before NeoSerela ever said anything about it. He also told us how night actions work, how a rolecop would work in theory, and what Bard's role did before Bard claimed. He was leaking informed minority from his pores. He also told us how scummy the scum were being which was super nice of him! We all need to trust NeoSerela more often. :D

Dormio was obviously not town. His posts didn't make sense in their own logic. At one point he posted 'You are my scumpics right here' and 'what makes you think I think you're scummy' in the same post. I used the words killing intent to describe the feeling he gave me. He upped his game, heavilly, and no one does that for no reason. Then he killed me! :< His Day 3 Rageopolis was hilariously anti-town too.

Schezo was SOOOOOOO CUTE and I wanted to hug him every time he posted! So british! I never suspected him once on my own! I never would have suspected him if I hadn't been told to go look up NeoSerela's meta. I described his style as pretending to be scum!Kitten4u and succeeding wonderfully. Oh my!

@Helepolis: Dormio wasn't really aiming for town, just contractors. The obvious contractors just happened to be town. And by the looks of Dormio's QT your ##Contract got him on her tail!

I was really sad we didn't get to have a War of Text UK, but my time was not long in this game. Here's to next time living beyond the first night!

PS: K4u asked me to keep writing junk cause the mods were even more depressed I died then I was, so the QT is filled with gifts for you all :D
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:26:30 PM
BUT I GOT EVERY CONTRACTOR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Why did I have to go get bored.

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ilu2Shadoweh.
I hope you got my regards, because I love you so.
We were to be together til death do us part.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: capt. h on April 17, 2011, 07:28:21 PM
What does きらい mean?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:31:21 PM
Hate.

And wow, I really thought that UK and PX were the final scumteam.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 17, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
So basically Everyone I wanted to and did vote, with the exception of the "Well, doesn't matter if he's town, since I'm the only other option" hammer, was mafia.

And here I am, sitting with my roles going "OMG what's going on, how do I find scum? ##Stalk: Huh what because the only reason he'd be targeting bardiche is because he's probably the Vig even though Serp was supposedly the Vig, and he knows Bardiche is lying, except for the whole vote switch bus driver thing he did on the previous page that if I had read the votecount carefully (Read: at all) I would have know what his power really was."

 :derp: :derp: :derp:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Sect on April 17, 2011, 07:35:43 PM
Okay, now that the game's over, I have a question: why did everyone think that Serp was a vigilante? It made no logical sense, since it meant that, if Serp DID get blown up by Shadoweh, then that would have meant that the scum didn't bother making any night kills. Plus, Amber as vigilante makes no sense, anyways...
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:36:52 PM
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And what is with the roles I get in this game anyway?
First time ever playing Mafia: Miller pseudo-rolecop.
Second time: Town roleblocker.
Third: Third party miller conditional vig
And damn scumteam.
Good game though.

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I was wondering that too, but I didn't care since it took attention from possible SK or something away.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 17, 2011, 07:37:26 PM
Because Bardiche said so, and Bardiche is super town. :derp: :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 07:39:08 PM
XD Poor Bardiche. He assumed Serp was the one that killed me, because in theory I was a bomb and my killer would die as well. He should have considered a bulletproof killer at least. I don't think he could have easily guessed I was immune to exploding.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
Also, I'm sad that I never got to use my fakeclaim.
As soon as Conqueror flipped Human Scientist, I got this idea of using masons as a fakeclaim.
Since I'm also a Human Scientist.
In other news, I hate you Pesco.
And why do I get all these weird roles, anyway?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 17, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
And why do I get all these weird roles, anyway?
The RNG must like giving you weird roles as much as it likes making Schezo scum. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Helepolis on April 17, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
In other news, I hate you Pesco.
And why do I get all these weird roles, anyway?
You are in no condition to complain. Hear me? NO CONDITION !!!!!1111
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:45:45 PM
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I wonder what happens if I kill the last contractor but die at the same time anyway.
I bet Pesco would be all like "lolulose"
OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.
THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
PESCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also, I really didn't know what scum opinion on SKs are anyway.
Only my third game of mafia, yo.

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Ohyes, I've changed my Scum OTP to something like UK x Dormio x ??? so far. ??? Can be filled by.. I dunno, Schezo or Conqueror, maybe Zak still.
wut?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: capt. h on April 17, 2011, 07:52:15 PM
Also, I'm sad that I never got to use my fakeclaim.
As soon as Conqueror flipped Human Scientist, I got this idea of using masons as a fakeclaim.
Since I'm also a Human Scientist.
In other news, I hate you Pesco.
And why do I get all these weird roles, anyway?
You get all the awesome roles. I got vanilla townie twice in a row.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Bardiche on April 17, 2011, 07:53:02 PM
I have no regrets.

FWIW I hated my role. Why must I be the shota. Why.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 07:54:49 PM
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His posts aren't really drive-by, they feel too careful to me. And good. ilu Dormio but good posting makes me think you're scum <3
Note to self, play terribly more.

And capt. h: You don't know how much I cursed Pesco when I got ITP third party conditional vig.
RIGHT AFTER THE GAME WHERE BARDICHE WON AS SCUM BY CLAIMING THIS.


Also, I love seeing Shadoweh theorize on how she was killed.
Tee hee.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
:D Durrmio is townie, Dormio is Scum!

Because you wanted to be as kawaii desu huggable as Just! So many hugs!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Bardiche on April 17, 2011, 08:00:02 PM
Well, what can I say Caedo, I invent the best roles.


Shadoweeeeeeh I'm not huggable, I am hate and fury! I finished the role setup for Cavalier of the Abyss Mafia, the only thing stopping us is "I don't know the flavour, should I sign up?"

Just is a Conditional Town-Aligned Third Party Conditional Vigilant Conditional Messenger Conditional Time Hax Jester!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:04:03 PM
I see BardichexBardiche in the QT.
This is acceptable.

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Ah, well, if Pesco doesn't mind us spoiling it for each other, then I'll share both my role's features.

Firstly, I know who the contractors are.
SERP.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DIE.
WE COULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME TOGETHER.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 08:07:57 PM
Shadoweeeeeeh I'm not huggable, I am hate and fury! I finished the role setup for Cavalier of the Abyss Mafia, the only thing stopping us is "I don't know the flavour, should I sign up?"

Just is a Conditional Town-Aligned Third Party Conditional Vigilant Conditional Messenger Conditional Time Hax Jester!
The answer to that is yes. Yes, yes, yes. You can just get rid of the other characters and everyone can be Just!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:10:14 PM
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Dormio's forgetting to put the asterisks in his f-bombs. Oddly, that makes him seem a little more town to me, since scum would be fake mad, rather than actually angry.
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I don't think he was fake-raging >.> What you did was pretty horrible.
Spoiler: It was fake mad. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Bardiche on April 17, 2011, 08:11:32 PM
The answer to that is yes. Yes, yes, yes. You can just get rid of the other characters and everyone can be Just!

I would, but I need more characters, too! And a co-mod to look over the absolutely zany setup for a half year down the line when none of us care anymore.

QQ
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2011, 08:12:11 PM
Dormio go eat a hat.  :V

DIE SCUM MASON.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:16:05 PM
What, but I'm not scum.
And goddamn it, why did I have to get bored and claim scumSK for the shits and giggles?

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This is proof. The RNG is a better player then PX.
Truth. Solid truth right here.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2011, 08:23:09 PM
Best part of the game was Helepolis's claim.

/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\

Plus this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8870.msg598956.html#msg598956).

Dormio, you killed half the townie PRs -> thus, scum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Blame Pesco, not me.


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Oh you bet I will. I will Gungnir his ass with Remilia until dawn breaks.
Bring it, Helepolis.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Serp on April 17, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Best part of the game was Shadoweh's and capt. h's boke and tsukkomi routine in the dead QT.  Seriously, read through their exchanges about Mafia theory while imagining them as Kenny Blankenship and Vic Romano, it's hilarious.

Also, my computer was dying as this game was starting, so I was very happy about being NK'd.  I had expected I'd live to D2 in order to work on my UK case, but didn't realize that if UK were scum, she'd definitely shoot me to make sure I didn't get that chance.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
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Oh Dormio. If only you ran these numbers before you claimed and Hammered.
I know right?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
If I have any skill at scum, it's at killing threats to me and trying to utilize the scum's powers well. I may not be great at not looking scummy, but I like to think I'm a good advisor.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
Well, I'd like to think I played decently at this game.
Until I got bored and derped at the end, as I seem to have done in all three games I've been in.

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Is it even possible for me to win at this point?
I don't know man.
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Maybe I should play it safe and gate UK today.
:/
I really should have done this.

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Durrmio refuses to take his head out of his ass to see that PX isn't scum.
He looks scum, he acts scum, he IS scum and has been in every game he's played.
He's just really good at hiding his flip.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 08:59:12 PM
Heh, so you figured it out at the end, huh Dormio?
I had you pegged as the last (PX IS scum damnit) scum as soon as you started questioning my traitor claim and asking about SK specifics.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 17, 2011, 09:00:39 PM
But...you didn't remotely seem like you claimed traitor. At all.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: capt. h on April 17, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
If PX was ever scum, he'd either be turbobussed or night killed by his own faction.

He definititely wouldn't freeze players via random number generator (I hope...)

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Yeah, your reveal read serial killer.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
But...you didn't remotely seem like you claimed traitor. At all.
Is why I put my claim in red and called Hourai out as a bad traitor, I wanted to see reactions to it.
Either way, I thought that I was screwed when I made the claim, and I was since I had already set up a ring and couldn't change to gate for a safe win.

Also, note, newb here.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Schezo on April 17, 2011, 09:14:06 PM
So do I get that scum tag now that I've been scum and won all of but one game? :getdown:

Reading all of these entertaining quick topics.

I was dying reading the mod one. :V

Now to finish the dead one.

And no Shadoweh!  Huh what gets no shipping of us because she ran off with that. That Bardiche!  (Although you thought I was cute. :3)
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 09:42:56 PM
And no Shadoweh!  Huh what gets no shipping of us because she ran off with that. That Bardiche! 
(Although you thought I was cute. :3)
*waits for Schezo to finish the Dead QT to see how true this is* :D
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Helepolis on April 17, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
##Vote Sexbomb yt video  for indeed impact edit from Mod.

In my opinion Modco and Kitten4Mod were good mods (excluding their now and then Trollwi counting posts, which was sometimes confusing :V)

Also I liked playing with this group, so my apologies for being a newbie  ** bows ** and hopefully until next time. I will occasional lurk the upcoming Mafia by Edible.

First I need to take care of some serious business: Studying for my exam Kicking Dormio ass in DotS

EDIT: OH SHIT I EDITED MY POST FFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
BUT I WASN'T A BOMB! ;_______;
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Helepolis on April 17, 2011, 10:11:15 PM
BUT I WASN'T A BOMB! ;_______;
Are you saying you are going against Modco ???

SFX_ZUN.WAV
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Hanged Hourai on April 17, 2011, 10:32:10 PM
Oh yeah. DAMN YOU ZAK!!!!!!!!!!!
DO YOU REALIZE HOW CLOSE I WAS TO LITERALLY GETTING THROUGH D1 WITHOUT ANYONE CALLING ME SCUMMY?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But in some seriousness, I can't really tell if I did good this game. I lurked hardcore, but that was about all anyone could say about me up until Schezo late D3. I caught Neo however, so yay?

I can't seem to keep a playstyle, much less a good one. :fail:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 10:40:06 PM
But in some seriousness, I can't really tell if I did good this game. I lurked hardcore, but that was about all anyone could say about me up until Schezo late D3. I caught Neo however, so yay?

I can't seem to keep a playstyle, much less a good one. :fail:
Your posts were pretty good when you made them. You needed to lurk a hell of a lot less, especially after Day 1, maybe re-read the game more. We all felt so bad for you in LYLO, stuck with scum, scum, skum, and Pxum.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 17, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
I personally thought Hourai felt pretty town in spite of the lurking.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2011, 11:25:27 PM
I won't argue that at all. He just needed to be around more to actually fight for the town instead of letting UncertainKiller run the show ;-;
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 17, 2011, 11:51:12 PM
Oh, and @capt. h, since you were talking about this in the dead QT:
None of the vanilla townies were on your train at the end of D1.  :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
If I were town I would have thought Jean would have been a fun role to play. :V

OK wow.  That dead QT was crazy, and I enjoyed it.  I probably should go back and answer all the things directed towards me, but I don't feel like it right now. >.>;

Although this one is one of my favorites:
"Schezo is generally semi-incoherent most of the time."
I guess that's what happens when I've only been town all of one time my whole mafia career on this forum.

No seriously Pesco, make these and give them out. :B
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/Lilium1/obvscum.png)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/Lilium1/obvtown.png)

Those made my day.
Did we name MVP's maybe for that. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 18, 2011, 12:46:37 AM
Yeah, the MVPs get those. :3
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2011, 12:47:29 AM
Oh yeah and apologizes that the scum QT got super boring after a while.  I think the only one I remember being entertaining the whole game was last game's, (maybe, but I died) and the GDC one.  And that was just Kitten4U and I. >_>
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2011, 12:51:08 AM
No seriously Pesco, make these and give them out. :B
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/Lilium1/obvscum.png)
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/Lilium1/obvtown.png)
I remember Pesco bothering TSO in irc to implement those because he wanted to give me obvscum :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Kitten4u on April 18, 2011, 12:51:37 AM
the GDC one.  And that was just Kitten4U and I. >_>
Not surprising.  I think I'd cry if I had to play scum without day talk.  I couldn't be chatty with my buddies then. :(
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 18, 2011, 12:54:14 AM
Not surprising.  I think I'd cry if I had to play scum without day talk.  I couldn't be chatty with my buddies then. :(
Same here, actually.

But I could always talk to myself!
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 18, 2011, 01:08:24 AM
So does PX get the Obvscum tag ^-^?
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2011, 01:19:23 AM
I should probably get around to reading a scum QT in depth to see how scum minds work.
I always just skim those. :V

I forgot about the alternate wincon I set up for myself.
Kill every IP. (This was when I didn't have IP and also the reason why I chose Shadoweh for the D1 kill. (No hard feelings. :V))
IT HAPPENED.
EVERY IP, INCLUDING ME, DIED.
HELL YEAH.

I wonder what would have happened if I had killed PX instead of huh what.

Also, I thought that Bardiche's bomb went away with his death. :(
Though I wouldn't have won anyway unless I used the gate.

So does PX get the Obvscum tag ^-^?
PX is forever scum. :/
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<Akiyama_dorMio> PX
<Akiyama_dorMio> I don't get it
<Akiyama_dorMio> how do you manage to look so scummy
<Akiyama_dorMio> despite being town every time
<Akiyama_dorMio> and you play way more than me
<PX> You know, I wish I would be scum
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2011, 01:29:03 AM
Dormio: You're just jealous because I fought for mine and you lost it so hard. :)
"Schezo is generally semi-incoherent most of the time."
I guess that's what happens when I've only been town all of one time my whole mafia career on this forum.
Are you implying you were coherent as town? :3 Your blending here was perfect and your politeness was so gracious! Did you like my rendition of it?
Oh, and @capt. h, since you were talking about this in the dead QT:
None of the vanilla townies were on your train at the end of D1.  :V
Not that it should have cleared him anyways since the scum had ~*SAFECLAIMS!*~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2011, 01:31:25 AM
Dormio: You're just jealous because I fought for mine and you lost it so hard. :)
Yeah? Well...
At least I didn't die N1 and make bombs fail, leading to a confused town thinking that scum didn't have nightkills. >:D
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 18, 2011, 01:32:48 AM
Not that it should have cleared him anyways since the scum had ~*SAFECLAIMS!*~

I know, but I was just pointing it out.  :V

I should probably get around to reading a scum QT in depth to see how scum minds work.
I always just skim those. :V
I thought you had a pretty good scum QT going there.  :smug:

Also, we figured Serp got double-killed N1. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2011, 01:39:40 AM
I thought you had a pretty good scum QT going there.  :smug:
You calling our mason QT scummy?
I THOUGHT WE WERE SCIENTIST BROS.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2011, 01:43:20 AM
:V

You really thought I was super polite this game? :3

Yes those were entertaining to me when I read them.  You would have used the killing poor me via Diplomacy one to kiss me? :V

Do another one. :V
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2011, 01:55:38 AM
You were~ Your play was so nice, who would ever want to suspect noble, kind Kingmaker Schezo? Of course I would kiss you to death, who would ever believe that scene was a protection? :3 I didn't think you were townie enough, but you weren't as scummy as my other suspects. You hit a happy middle ground.
More fanfics will have to wait until the next mafia game~
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Conqueror on April 18, 2011, 01:57:58 AM
Oh, and Schezo, I just want to say that the way you ripped apart NeoSerela was absolutely beautiful.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2011, 01:58:47 AM
...(dammitI'mnotgoingtobeabletoplaythenextone)

Oh you liked that did you?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1 and confirmation)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2011, 02:46:02 AM
Hey I almost forgot!
##Unvote
##Vote:Conqueror

Alright, lynch me, on to day two guys.
Congrats Conqy for getting to Day 2!  :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot:
Title: Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)
Post by: Pesco on April 18, 2011, 04:47:13 AM
I would give those tags out if the people that have the power to make them available actually made them available for me to give out.