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Title: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: warpshadow on December 29, 2009, 12:19:52 AM
Every so often I (and probably you too) hear the cry for ZUN to bring back some of the older characters. In fact I hear it quite a bit. However when I see things like this http://www.gensokyo.org/thvote6/results_char_en.html (http://www.gensokyo.org/thvote6/results_char_en.html) it makes me wonder when a character with no in game dialogue like Momiji is more popular than Mima, Shinki and Yumemi combined. It made me wonder a bit if the whole "bring back Mima" thing is more of an English Touhou fan thing or if it is even just trolling.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 29, 2009, 12:31:42 AM
Every single Nicovideo...video that features her has comments screaming "MIMA-SAMA" too, so I doubt it.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kuma on December 29, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Mima is universal. Mima is in the air, in the trees, the ground, and inall of us. Mima is everything, and yet she is nothing. Mima plays Merlin's trumpet.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Drake on December 29, 2009, 12:39:44 AM
I never thought so. Just look at what they did for Deified Submarine Palace.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: warpshadow on December 29, 2009, 01:04:55 AM
Okay my mistake. I guess it's more of a meme than anything else, and we all know how much Touhou fans love memes.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kilgamayan on December 29, 2009, 01:06:32 AM
Mima seems bigger than she is because her fans are much, much louder (and more obnoxious as a result) than any other character's fans.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Moerin on December 29, 2009, 01:13:12 AM
It's the classic case of a very vocal minority drowning out a silent majority, really.  Like Kilga said, her fans are, um, a lot louder than those who dislike her, or even those who are just neutral to her, and as such it gives off a disproportionate image of how popular she really is~

...Yumemi's better anyway grumble-grumble...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Cadmas on December 29, 2009, 01:23:22 AM
Those polls are so weird to me because Reimu is always at the top.
In what other series is the main character ever at the top?

But I don't think Mima coming back is an American thing.
She'll probably come back in some side game or Phantasmagoria.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on December 29, 2009, 01:29:24 AM
Those polls are so weird to me because Reimu is always at the top.
In what other series is the main character ever at the top?

But I don't think Mima coming back is an American thing.
She'll probably come back in some side game or Phantasmagoria.

I'd totally attribute that to her increased coverage in the series. I mean, She has the most screen time, Even more than Marisa, including PC-98. She theoretically has more chances to redeem herself in eyes of fans than other characters.

Sadly not. Its probably because she actually had a shot type in a few games, so people have the misinformed opinion shes more important than the boss characters who hardly reappear.

Edit: Actually, The shot-type appearing characters seem to be at the top, If you look at it...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kilgamayan on December 29, 2009, 01:31:46 AM
Those polls are so weird to me because Reimu is always at the top.
In what other series is the main character ever at the top?

Actually, I believe the Final Fantasy games tend to be this way.

Aside from maybe X.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kuma on December 29, 2009, 01:44:21 AM
Isn't the asshole rival usualy the most popular? Even in touhou, more people seem to like Marisa more than Reimu...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: RainfallYoshi on December 29, 2009, 02:00:00 AM
Isn't the asshole rival usualy the most popular? Even in touhou, more people seem to like Marisa more than Reimu...

Sephiroth has enough fanboys willing to give him anal sex to prove this theory.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Drake on December 29, 2009, 02:09:45 AM
But Sephiroth isn't really an asshole asshole. Not the same as Mima.

Mima screws around with Reimu because it's hilarious and she has nothing better to do, being dead.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Cadmas on December 29, 2009, 02:10:43 AM
I usually don't let fans ruin something for me, but FF7 and Uchiha Sasuke fans really earn my ire.

By now, I think Mima is in the underworld. Anyone else think so?
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kuma on December 29, 2009, 02:16:10 AM
No, she's chillin' at the shrine with Genji. ZUN said so, don't bother him about it.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Rikter on December 29, 2009, 02:22:47 AM
No, she's chillin' at the shrine with Genji. ZUN said so, don't bother him about it.
Where did you read/see/hear this info?

Also Mima fans are nowhere near as dumb (Or fun to bother) as the Sephiroth fans.

Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Cadmas on December 29, 2009, 02:24:50 AM
Where did you read/see/hear this info?

Probably from one of those ZUN interviews nobody but everybody seems to read.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Drake on December 29, 2009, 02:42:41 AM
Genji is canon either:
-Behind a mountain; Reimu disowned him because she learned to fly
-Soup

Mima is either:
-Chillin'
-Even more dead
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 29, 2009, 02:49:18 AM
Genji is living in the pond behind the shrine, ZUN never said anything about Mima.

But yeah, I sort of see what the Mima fans are going for. After all, I'm not exactly quiet about my fanboyism for Gengetsu either, since there are so few other fans of her. The thing is, there are enough Mima fans who think they have to be overly vocal for their fanboyism so that they all gather in groups and annoy the hell out of everyone.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: shadowbringer on December 29, 2009, 03:32:11 AM
Every so often I (and probably you too) hear the cry for ZUN to bring back some of the older characters. In fact I hear it quite a bit. However when I see things like this http://www.gensokyo.org/thvote6/results_char_en.html (http://www.gensokyo.org/thvote6/results_char_en.html) it makes me wonder when a character with no in game dialogue like Momiji is more popular than Mima, Shinki and Yumemi combined. It made me wonder a bit if the whole "bring back Mima" thing is more of an English Touhou fan thing or if it is even just trolling.
usually, Windows games seem to be more popular than their PC-98 counterparts.

It's the classic case of a very vocal minority drowning out a silent majority, really.  Like Kilga said, her fans are, um, a lot louder than those who dislike her, or even those who are just neutral to her, and as such it gives off a disproportionate image of how popular she really is~

...Yumemi's better anyway grumble-grumble...
while it's true that her absence is missed with such intensity, I'll ignore further attempts to aggravate fans of Mima, such as myself. In fact, such attempts only serve to put the "Mima fans are retarded" meme that some people try to establish, into practice against *their* favorite characters.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Moerin on December 29, 2009, 03:47:31 AM
Oi.  I wasn't trying to aggravate anyone, I was merely stating the facts.  I actually quite like Mima, for one thing.  Please refrain from such accusations in the future.

Ahem~

Personally, though, I'm not really sure if she'll ever show up again.  I mean, it'd be a nice surprise, but it's not something I hold out hope for.  If she ever DID return, it'd likely by in a Phantasmagoria game, or in the "final" Touhou game maybe.

And yes, Genji is in a pond behind the shrine.  It was in a ZUN interview, if I remember right.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: mew77 on December 29, 2009, 04:42:55 AM
Sephiroth has enough fanboys willing to give him anal sex to prove this theory.

...

Not sure how to respond to that..it's just too freaky.

I usually don't let fans ruin something for me, but FF7 and Uchiha Sasuke fans really earn my ire.



Agreed with Cadmas on both accounts. frankly naruto and Yugi oh have spawned some crazy fanbase behaviour... And don't evenget me started on Yowie. (I can't as my friend has informed me that I shall never know what it is to preserve my sanity. This friend of mine has had his mind blown by whatever-it-is' craziness)

For now, my sanity remains intact


Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on December 29, 2009, 04:45:29 AM
>> Sanae

>>4th place

SAGE THIS SHIT

see, this is why polls like these hurt my feelings.
To be honest with you, the crowd of Naruto in general just irks me, but then again...

We are only people.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Moerin on December 29, 2009, 04:50:01 AM
And don't evenget me started on Yowie. (I can't as my friend has informed me that I shall never know what it is to preserve my sanity. This friend of mine has had his mind blown by whatever-it-is' craziness)

For now, my sanity remains intact

...You mean yaoi, right?  That just refers to homosexual relations between men in anime/manga, really.  Most commonly used as the genre name for gay porn, but often simply used as a term for shipping, etc.  (For example, a Bleach fan may have a yaoi ship of, say, HanataroxUryu or something).

Ahem.  But I don't want to bore you with details about my silly Bleach yaoi ship.

And yes, the Sephiroth thing is true.  I've known a few otherwise straight fanboys who want to do him.  No idea why, but...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: mew77 on December 29, 2009, 04:59:12 AM
Oh that clears things up...hearing this friend of mine speak of horrible things it had sounded like a homosexual dating sim.

but I see it is far worse than i thought and to now hear that the fans for that do shipping (the creepy fanfic version). I mean touhou doujins have ships to a degree, but usually they make sense..and the single gender polulation greatly reduces the yaoi ships from sailing.

I jsut thought of a song to describe this insanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V0VTlrCzW8&feature=related The clips may not fit but the song does.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Bias Bus on December 29, 2009, 05:26:17 AM
I am a bonefied Shinkifag and would love to see the elegant demon goddess return, as well as the other Makai residents as well (because I like them just as much as I do Shinki). However, I know it's not going to happen anytime soon, I would have liked it if ZUN gave us a bit more referance toward Shinki than just an 'lol Byakuren has the same spellcard as Shinki', but I'm not one to complain, if Makai exists then Shinki must still be out there as well, I suppose...

the single gender polulation greatly reduces the yaoi ships from sailing.
I wouldn't be so sure of that buddy...

While Yaoi is rather uncommon in Touhou given we only have like a handful of males to work with, but we do have some; Rinnosuke, Genji, Youki, Unzan, Giant Catfish, Lord Tenma, Lord Nai, Myouren, and Mr. Kirisame to name a few.

So even with the 98.9% female cast, there's an oppurtunity for the Yaoi fans, and even us Hetero fans, to try their hand at something, albeit it's a limited selection.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Drake on December 29, 2009, 05:54:12 AM
Actually, I think the limited amount of men gives off a heavy magnetism to ship gay couples.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on December 29, 2009, 06:05:16 AM
Actually, I think the limited amount of men gives off a heavy magnetism to ship gay couples.
that, and the few females who are Touhou fans...because "we the fujoshis" (XD) have lot of imagination when make pairings and plots for make it so-so possible. the combination yaoi fan-Touhou fan is rare, and the combi with artistic capabilities is a lot more eerie. (tra-la-la n_n)
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Bias Bus on December 29, 2009, 06:50:56 AM
the combination yaoi fan-Touhou fan is rare, and the combi with artistic capabilities is a lot more eerie. (tra-la-la n_n)
These eyes...they see what you did there...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Recon 5 on December 29, 2009, 06:52:37 AM
Mima will return after ZUN consumes the strongest beer in the history of the world. Discuss.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: AlexX Unlimited on December 29, 2009, 07:26:21 AM
Mima will return after ZUN consumes the strongest beer in the history of the world. Discuss.
No, that'll just bring us more Cirno.

Not that that would be a bad thing, mind you.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on December 30, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
Mima seems bigger than she is because her fans are much, much louder (and more obnoxious as a result) than any other character's fans.

The Mima fandom is the Touhou equivalent of those people who think that Tupac Shakur is still alive and is releasing new rap albums from his secret hideout.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kuma on December 30, 2009, 10:26:48 PM
MIMA IS STILL ALI-wait...
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on December 30, 2009, 10:38:05 PM
No, that'll just bring us more Cirno.

Not that that would be a bad thing, mind you.

Wait a moment, Then Cirno must obviously be Mima in disguise! It all makes sense now.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Garlyle on December 30, 2009, 11:09:15 PM
It's worth noting on that poll that, yeah, Mima is way down there.  ...But... she's also the highest-ranked of the PC-98 cast.  Unless I missed someone.

the combination yaoi fan-Touhou fan is rare, and the combi with artistic capabilities is a lot more eerie. (tra-la-la n_n)
Hi.  Artistic capability is questionable (I write more than anything), but hi all the same.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: shadowbringer on December 31, 2009, 12:29:12 AM
The Mima fandom is the Touhou equivalent of those people who think that Tupac Shakur is still alive and is releasing new rap albums from his secret hideout.
thank you for confirming my point of view from my former post.



 ;D

Wait a moment, Then Cirno must obviously be Mima in disguise! It all makes sense now.
Cirno will die, and she will reincarnate as the strongest spirit. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_beverage)
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Dollywitch on December 31, 2009, 01:03:38 AM
I think using a popularity contest is a bad idea and she didn't do that badly. It's not a what character would you like to see more of contest, it's popularity, so it'll be based on characters that have been in games people actually remember. A lot of the Mima fanbase is based on the fact that she's forgotten about.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Recon 5 on December 31, 2009, 02:17:51 AM
I do believe that one reason for many Windows characters being more popular than Mima is that most of them have specific themes or appeal to specific... niches (*cough*), which is what Japanese tend to like from a character if what I get from the otaku scene is correct.

Mima is just generally awesome, which doesn't seem to get much currency over there. No, AWESOME is not a valid 'theme'.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: warpshadow on December 31, 2009, 03:06:35 AM
Rosie Rune:
I thought the popularity poll was a good indication of what character they want in a game. For example you would have a tough time convincing me that the person who made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQq5Nzo5BDI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQq5Nzo5BDI) isn't a big Sakuya fan.

Recon 5:
Explain this awesome. For example I know Utsuho is awesome but I can attribute that to stuff like her arm cannon.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Sen on December 31, 2009, 04:12:16 AM
What's the deal with Mima's popularity anyway? She's dead and she likes to mess with Reimu for fun.


So does the rest of the cast, minus the dead part :V
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Lishy1 on December 31, 2009, 07:26:32 PM
Mima is a total baddass and Zun is probably saving her for the final boss of the last Touhou game since she's Reimu's arch nemesis (Realistically, he can't make Touhou games forever, sooooo yeah.)
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 31, 2009, 09:05:50 PM
Where did the "arch nemesis" thing come in? The way she acts after SoEW (the last time she was an actual threat), she seems to just like harassing her. Really now, if Mima were back she'd just look bad next to Yukari, who does the trolling thing so much better.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kuma on December 31, 2009, 09:45:48 PM
Mima is just like any other character, she just hapens to be a huge bitch and everyone thinks that's cool.

Danmaku wise, she's exactly like windows Marisa, Stars and lasers everywhere.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Ghaleon on December 31, 2009, 09:58:57 PM
she's cool cuz she has green hair, and sanae is dumb.

No serious, she probably gets bonus points among fans for being the first major Villain.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: ebarrett on December 31, 2009, 10:05:41 PM
Her "awesome" credentials don't go beyond "being evil but not really evil" and "pestering Reimu" - something that nowadays is the bare minimum to run for a spot as a stage 2 boss.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 31, 2009, 10:20:46 PM
she's cool cuz she has green hair, and sanae is dumb.

No serious, she probably gets bonus points among fans for being the first major Villain.

Oh really, that would mean they care about pre-EoSD outside of her.

I realize I'm just being a troll, but it really annoys me how her fans paint Mima as an all-powerful badass with TWILIGHT SPARK and shit, when I bet only a small percentage have ever played SoEW, reached Mima and collapsed into a stupor when they realize she doesn't even HAVE a laser attack.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on December 31, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
Oh really, that would mean they care about pre-EoSD outside of her.

I realize I'm just being a troll, but it really annoys me how her fans paint Mima as an all-powerful badass with TWILIGHT SPARK and shit, when I bet only a small percentage have ever played SoEW, reached Mima and collapsed into a stupor when they realize she doesn't even HAVE a laser attack.

Instead she calls a bunch of lines and then rams into you. That impressed me a lot more than a twilight spark ever would've.  :V
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Mima on December 31, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
I'm British not American. Argument break.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: kreb cycle on December 31, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
No, that'll just bring us more Cirno.
Nah, more Sanae :>
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: AlexX Unlimited on December 31, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
I realize I'm just being a troll, but it really annoys me how her fans paint Mima as an all-powerful badass with TWILIGHT SPARK and shit, when I bet only a small percentage have ever played SoEW, reached Mima and collapsed into a stupor when they realize she doesn't even HAVE a laser attack.
Yeah I always wondered where they got that spark attack from, since the closest thing she has in any of the actual games is her charged tackle move (and she has no spark of any kind in PoDD or HRP, either).
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: nintendonut888 on December 31, 2009, 11:27:56 PM
Well, to be fair, she has those cute little ineffectual lasers in one attack in HRtP, where you can just stand under her and avoid the whole thing. :V

And they got it from Touhou Soccer, and got the odd idea that Touhou Soccer isn't an exaggeration of everyone's abilities.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Ghaleon on December 31, 2009, 11:52:33 PM
Oh really, that would mean they care about pre-EoSD outside of her.

That's exactly it, I'm sure some people fancy themself as a hardcore original Touhou fan by being a Mima fan. She's the most significant character in pre-Windows Touhou that is UNIQUE to pre-windows Touhou. Of course, some people might actually like her as a character. I personally don't pretend to like any of the pre-windows ones yet since I don't even know what they say since I haven't seen any translations for them >=P.

But we all know you don't like her simply cuz she has no legs, you dirty boy.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: AlexX Unlimited on January 01, 2010, 12:14:19 AM
And they got it from Touhou Soccer, and got the odd idea that Touhou Soccer isn't an exaggeration of everyone's abilities.
I knew that much, but I'm curious where they got the idea for the move in general... Heck, she even has a spark combo with Yuka, making it seem like the two had any connection whatsoever (well, aside being playable in MS, but as far as I can tell the two have never met face-to-face). Did they just think since Marisa had one Mima needs a bigger one?
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on January 01, 2010, 12:26:02 AM
I knew that much, but I'm curious where they got the idea for the move in general... Heck, she even has a spark combo with Yuka, making it seem like the two had any connection whatsoever (well, aside being playable in MS, but as far as I can tell the two have never met face-to-face). Did they just think since Marisa had one Mima needs a bigger one?

Its probably because I don't think anyone involved ever played SOEW. Twilight Spark only exists because they had no idea what at all to give Mima for an attack alone, so, playing off the fact they had her have a combo attack with Yuka, They give Mima another spark. A huge one.

I guess they also did it because yeah 'Marisa's mentor who is obviously superior' shit. It probably seemed stupidly fitting to them, than say any of her actual attacks.

I had a good laugh when I realized the entire scenario she gets it in highlights the fact shes a shitty player in the game. 'WAIT YUKA WHERE ARE YOU GOING I CAN'T DO AN- oh hai marisa about that face off...'
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: AlexX Unlimited on January 01, 2010, 12:29:43 AM
I guess they also did it because yeah 'Marisa's mentor who is obviously superior' shit.
That would require either Marisa or Mima to be the original creator of the Master Spark, which even most who've never played PC-98 would know is not the case. =V
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on January 01, 2010, 12:33:05 AM
That would require either Marisa or Mima to be the original creator of the Master Spark, which even most who've never played PC-98 would know is not the case. =V

I'm pretty sure I made my case they obviously probably HAVEN'T. Given, Yuka does straight up say hers is the original. I guess they actually thought 'Hey, Marisa steals shit. So should Mima!'
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Wylfred on January 01, 2010, 06:13:57 AM
Her lazor appeared in  mystic square as her bomb.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Chaore on January 01, 2010, 06:16:26 AM
Her lazor appeared in  mystic square as her bomb.

My god I want to punch you, obvious a joke as that was.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Kilgamayan on January 01, 2010, 08:50:47 AM
The Mima fandom is the Touhou equivalent of those people who think that Tupac Shakur is still alive and is releasing new rap albums from his secret hideout.
This is the single greatest description of the Mima fandom that has ever existed and will ever exist.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Spidere on January 02, 2010, 06:25:39 PM
This is the single greatest description of the Mima fandom that has ever existed and will ever exist.

This.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Aya Reiko on January 04, 2010, 04:58:14 AM
Those polls are so weird to me because Reimu is always at the top.
In what other series is the main character ever at the top?
Every official Fate and Tsukihime poll conducted had Saber and Arcueid coming out on top everytime.
What's usually more interesting is who comes in at #2 (or #3).
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Moerin on January 04, 2010, 05:15:06 AM
Well, I will agree that Marisa is more interesting than Reimu~

Ahem.  But really, these kind of popularity polls are just silly.  It's very easy for the vote to be swayed.  Using it as a gauge of how popular a character is is just as silly as gauging popularity by how much someone goes on about them, or how much art they have uploaded to Danbooru, or some other equally silly and arbitrary method.
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: Esoterica on January 04, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
and the single gender polulation greatly reduces the yaoi ships from sailing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_XK7cbRvA&fmt=18
Title: Re: Is Mima more of an American thing?
Post by: warpshadow on January 04, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
Well, I will agree that Marisa is more interesting than Reimu~

Ahem.  But really, these kind of popularity polls are just silly.  It's very easy for the vote to be swayed.  Using it as a gauge of how popular a character is is just as silly as gauging popularity by how much someone goes on about them, or how much art they have uploaded to Danbooru, or some other equally silly and arbitrary method.
I used the poll because I can't think of any better gauge. The question I ask of you is there an accurate way of gauging popularity?