You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when all members of the town have been removed from the Mafia.
I was sat here for like 5 minutes trying to think of something witty to say, but screw it.
/confirm
Shit.Sold for free.
B> Ticket out of this dump
If Affinity doesn't show up (inspection of his profile shows he's been inactive for a while) it might be good to have a sub ready.
I saw my role PM before reading the rules and I was so confused. x_x
shadoweh im actually not getting a townrid on you this game WAT IS DISSet your place on the Serious-O-Meter.
Vhaltz's latest post is pretty tryhard. Wondering why the other people doing similar things weren't also fishing for cred. Just putting that out there for now.No one was doing anything similar. Unless you mean lame "I'm scum" jokes which isn't really the same thing (and aren't lame when I do it).
Unless you mean lame "I'm scum" jokes which isn't really the same thing (and aren't lame when I do it).They pretty much are though.
They pretty much are though.Jokes are jokes that anyone can blend in with regardless of alignment.
They pretty much are though.im gay
im gayWhen are you going to say something we don't know?
I was also equally confused a few minutes before and could've done the same thing, but Decided Against It because it could be misinterpreted as fishing for cred since it would be atowniescummy reaction to atownscum PM. Genuinetownscum wouldn't have posted that unless they were careless and I believe BBM is much more experienced than I and as such a competent player.
im gayshadoweh x k4u OTP
For the record, I'm calling the mafia the town, and the town the mafia. It's much easier.
So you're uh, voting him for doing something that a townie might do? That's what it sounds like to me. There's also the bolded bit which sounds pretty self-conscious, with you worrying about people getting on your case for a confirmation post.
##Kill: Vhaltzotsuki
Vhaltz's latest post is pretty tryhard. Wondering why the other people doing similar things weren't also fishing for cred. Just putting that out there for now.
Jokes are jokes that anyone can blend in with regardless of alignment.
"I'm confused by my PM" is either a real response to an event or an attempt to falsify one.
Actually I think it's worth mentioning again in a more direct manner that the terminology is a pretty important thing and that everybody should compromise to use the same instead of just settling for whatever they like best.Look, my role pm says Mafia. I'm not going to call myself Town just because it's less confusing somehow when our roles say MAFIA. It's not that hard to reverse your terminology for one game. If it's really that hard talk about it as 'the guys we want to lynch' or something.
I think you're attempting to make a little bit too much something out of what is really nothing BT. Just 'cause I'm late to RVS because Britland and I'm busy so don't have time to make a proper post and read what is mostly RVS shenanigans deeply isn't a reason to be jumped on.That's not the beef in question. I think your entrance was kind of forced ("blame gut"). Retroactively devaluing Vhaltz's post like that also bothers me for reasons I can't seem to put to good words. I mean, even if you were "flash reading" you'd still have to notice a big post in the middle of RVS and want to know what the deal with that is.
Plus, if the scums are the people attacking you, why aren't you looking at BT or Shadoweh right now? ##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria
True.
With that said...
##Kill: BigBangMeteor
REVENGE.
This kind of argument is more defensive then useful. The difference between GUT and what Validon posted is one yours can later be argued to be serious, and Validon isn't. It kind of looks like you're backing down out of fear because people jumped on you. Your best bet is to move on and say how you feel -now- when there are people attacking you. Which ones are teh scumz?
On a seperate note though, I had to check that Validon was in the game because your post reminded me. The fact that he's not filling the thread with ten pages of questions is suspicious actually. Validon what r u doin?
Look, my role pm says Mafia. I'm not going to call myself Town just because it's less confusing somehow when our roles say MAFIA. It's not that hard to reverse your terminology for one game. If it's really that hard talk about it as 'the guys we want to lynch' or something.
As for BBM being Pride-ful, someone commented that the more pro-town he seems the more you should lynch him for being scum. He hasn't said enough for me to get a bead on that yet (not that I'm very good at judging it >_> ) I'll just ask Conq when he inevitably replaces in. I have to admit when it comes to you that if you can be scum and make up this imaginary argument I'd be pretty impressed with you.
- Being careless and posting something that could be misunderstood --> Contrary to a -general mafia town- wincon since misunderstandings could get you -general mafia lynched-.
- Posting it on purpose to get cred --> Furthers scum wincon since they'd figure nobody would take a confirmation post seriously enough to -general mafia lynch- them D1, whereas posting it on purpose to see if they'd get -general mafia town cred- from somebody who happens to read it as a genuine reaction would further a -general mafia scum- win condition.
Additionally, your premise makes little sense to me. Why would you only post what I did if you were careless? Almost anything can be misinterpreted. Yes, you shouldn't go out of your way to be purposefully vague, but I'm not going to double read every little comment I make to make sure it is 100% a-okay. That's something mafia do, not town. Vhaltzo's arguments seem to take a lot of words to cover up a weak logical basis.
He says that he's good at making people take a stab at him. To me, this implies that his actions were purposeful. He's saying now that it just happens automatically, but it honestly doesn't look like that to me, in this situation.
The early jumpers are usually the town, because I've done something slightly silly. Those people are scumhunting. It's the sharks that come in later, once there is a drop of blood in the water.
Besides, how often do I *not* get ED1 wagoned? You may not know BBM, but it's kinda a regular occurrence for me to get ED1 wagon'ed. It even happened in Sereliest where I was Romney. I'm just *really* bad with ED1.
My gut instinct said my RVS should go on BBM. That's it. I didn't mean anything more, anything less. If being honest for my reason for placing RVS is a lynching reason, fine. If being too busy to comment on something that I saw as relatively unimportant and weak is bad, fine.
I did not intend my vote to sound serious in any way, hence what I hoped would come across at poking fun at the fact it was a gut instinct. I'm not backing down on anything, I never stepped UP to anything, and if you guys have that impression, well, it's wrong.I don't even know what the fuck. I mean if you're defending your opinion then it's kind of a serious thing and I have no idea why you're trying to label it as anything else.
@Vhaltzotsuki- It makes it invalid because if the confusion can arise from being either alignment, then there is no towncred to be gained from saying you're confused. Look at the thread. Has anyone said or even hinted that any point they thought that I was townier due to saying I was confused at the beginning? If there's no towncred to be gained from it, then it's a completely null move. Your whole premise is that an experienced town player wouldn't make a statement that could be misinterpreted as fishing for cred, but there is no cred to be gained here in the first place.
Whoever was wondering where I was, I was dealing with the fact that the site changed and thus I couldn't post shit. Give me a few moments, let me read and see why everyone else is jumping on Raikaria now.##Unkill ##Kill: Validon
Also, filling the thread with ten pages of questions? I don't think I did that in I Wanna Be the Sereliest. >_>;
Okay, reading Raikaria town as of the moment. Seriously, if people are on Rai's case because of the way the vote on BBM was phrased, you've got to be shitting me. BT is looking more scummy but that's mainly from the "OH LOOK THE VOTE OBVIOUSLY IS COMING FROM SCUM BECAUSE OF GUT" thing he did when he first voted Rai, so I'm not going to vote for him yet. Seriously, though, I could tell it was a joke. So was my vote. =_=;Since I am a charitable scumbag and like helping people dig their own holes, how does Raikaria telling a joke make him town? Everyone is mad at him for posting a questionable post, what about it strikes you genuinely enough that you would defend him? Holy shit this is so not like your usual self. You disagree with the majority for no obvious reason!
I believe BBM's confusion as well. I myself was confused when I got my role PM. However, that's not a clear in any way. Rai has a point about the ED1 thing: You misrepped the case. My vote for now stays where it is.
There's this idea we're discussing that he'd be prideful enough not to want to give off a -weak/confused- image of himself, which would make the post likelier to be a scum strategy for cred, but I haven't played against BBM until now so I figured I'd put this out there to see if we can get more input on this.TRYING WAY TOO HARD
Serela that post, what the fuck is it. I get that it's the first thoughts that pop in your head, but I have no idea what you mean by Serious Banana's 'justified vote' and it sounds kind of like 'other people have explained it's justified so thumbs up!' Tell me if you're agreeing with other people or actually having your own thoughts....whaaaat?
This also begs the question "why didn't Vhaltz think of this" and I'm leaning towards it being a towntell. (I mean, his recent posts has "town" scribbled all over them artistically anyway, but sure.)agree 100%
It's also best not to meta me when I've only played one game on this site as each alignment. That's not much of a sample size or enough to know whether what I did as each alignment is something I do often. Rewrite wasn't a very good game for me either.But I was town in that game >_> Alot of the roles were based on flavah in that game actually, so your weird logic had basis. Not what I would point to as an example of what a terrible player you are. More importantly, does it matter? You seem conflicted about whether you think Vhaltz is The Enemy in your tone, so I don't see what you're gaining in having a drawn out wallpost argument with him instead of engaging in real scumhunting.
Your standards for me seem rather high and I'm not quite sure why. I've proved myself capable of bad decisions as town as well (deciding to clear Shadoweh in Rewrite completely off character).
Except I don't think there is anything in Vhaltz's point. I'm not sure where to go, who to push, and where to start.
I'm usually pretty good at making someone try and stab at me, and then other people latch on that and then we get progress. Usually the one who attacked me being the scums.
It's more Vhaltz didn't do it. Vhaltz then thinks that because he is town, other townies would do the same as Vhaltz. If someone did it whether it was to fish for cred or not, then they aren't doing something a townie would do, and therefore they are more likely scum.
This is pretty silly. If you use the reverse logic (people who arrive at the same conclusions as me are bound to be of the same alignment) then I'd be automatically reading shadoweh as town, right? And for the record I don't see "getting confused" as a non-townie thing.Excuse me this is something you should do naturally kthx. And yes actually, the reverse logic is something you can use. We may not have our mafia quicktopic but we still connect on a hivemind level! Vhaltz's post is very focused on who the scum is, I wouldn't call it waffley at all. Waffley is when a post is almost contradictory in content, driving one way to the other, like a palm tree in the breeze. I wouldn't even call it defensive, he's not trying to defend his personal character, he's defending his case, it's different. Everyone wants to be Right. :objection!:
Are you writing this like a boring legal document on purpose ;_;That's funny, because "It feels like I'm reading a lawyer" was exactly what came to mind as I read those posts
(to be fair, rvs just ended)I sure am tired! RVS didn't "just end" but it's more that we lost 24 hours somewhere and this isn't what d1 would look like if we were actually 49 hours in.
His wagon jump was the exact opposite of the hipster cases that town!Dormio usually does. He generally puts in effort to think outside the group and right now reads like he's trying to look like he's his usual hipster self when he's really just wagon jumping and going with the flow.Me? Hipster? What madness are you speaking of?
Shadoweh's Validon reasoning is basically an inactive vote in disguise. So what if he didn't make a serious post for the first 24 hours? That's not voteworthy. And why are you singling Validon out over it, when as far as I can remember, Raitaki didn't either?It's not in disguise <_< The answer as to why it's noteworthy is that it's Validon. To put it into perspective for you, Validon is JustPeachy. Just read the difference between then and now. I didn't read or care what Raitaki was doing, I don't compare people when I'm scumhunting other then to themselves. I know what it looks like when someone is acting oddly out of character. The second part is that Validon tends to vote for majority wagons while agreeing with the hivemind. I think he's having trouble finding suspects and not moving his vote because he's On The Enemy Side. This isn't hard to understand here. To Validon: Sadly I'm not trying to get a reaction out of you today, I'm pretty sure you're Not On My Side, I hope you can appreciate the difference when I'm not trying to mess with you. Politely I request you aim the kill at yourself so I can get a better angle with the headshot.
Additionally, I don't really understand the second part of the vote. Both BT and you were voting Raikaria for the manner in which he voted me initially. Not everybody finds Raikaria suspicious for that, but I don't think it's a complete misrep of the wagon. Yeah, Validon stating that he's town over that is a bit far, but I don't find it scummy necessarily.
2. BBM has admitted to have consciously abused Availability Cascade last game, and this is not a strategy that you would expect from ?not that good? players (@Serela: why disregard mind game theory when he has openly claimed to have done it before??).I think I've already explained that the kind of mindgame you were seeing is something that doesn't have any kind of realistic basis :V First off, it's COMPLETELY REALISTIC for a townie... uh... mafia-ey... PERSON WE DON'T WANT TO LYNCH to have made such a confirmation post, and second even if it was mafia trying to fake it... no one would hand them any kind of cred for it >_> It's... just a confirmation post. Really.
But players like BBM and BT will always read pro-town*HEADDESK*
I think I've already explained that the kind of mindgame you were seeing is something that doesn't have any kind of realistic basis :V First off, it's COMPLETELY REALISTIC for a townie... uh... mafia-ey... PERSON WE DON'T WANT TO LYNCH to have made such a confirmation post, and second even if it was mafia trying to fake it... no one would hand them any kind of cred for it >_> It's... just a confirmation post. Really.
I think you're also digging too deep into whether bbm is "a good player" or not. Besides, I think anyone would have done what he did last game. He had a Roleclop result on him AND a cop guilty, what else is he supposed to do other then play them up and deny, deny, deny that he could possibly be anti-town due to them?
(in BBM's case until something like cop results happen like D4 Richard, in BT's case I dunno but I don't remember ever seeing him get lynched as scum in the games I've read he was scum in).Barney in Psycho Prophecy immediately comes to mind (not that I'm trying to prove a point via counterexample, and I guess when I think about it in DEFCON I had to nuke scum!him out of nowhere to get him killed, but)
...the issue here is your case was legitimately handwavable. And no one really agreed with it, so there's no need for anyone to go as far as to try to discredit it via a method like that.
Validon doesn't seem to want to read into my posts - his assessment of my vote is horrendously inaccurate. Also curious why he thought him saying "I believe BBM's confusion" would be a clear, immediately needing to clarify that it isn't a clear in any way.
I don't like how Dormio doesn't try to make a judgement on the consequences of being tryhard. Do you think that it's tryhard in a townie or scummy way? I also don't really like how you're ignoring most of what's going on, while continuing to talk about not-serious stuff.BBM's next mention of Dormio is this
What Dormio says is right. After Raikaria's first post where he voted me for "gut" he posted again saying that it was just gut. Gut is still a semi-serious reason. Saying later that it was just him poking fun at gut reasons is pretty suspicious. Again, I feel it plays into how Raikaria is making the initial vote to be something it wasn't, and him backtracking.Where's the follow-up on the original statement? Stuff like this is where I get the feeling you're just making up posts as they come; it doesn't read genuine to me. BBM, I want two things from you: a follow up on your original Dormio suspicion and what's become of it now, and an explanation of why you think Raikaria is scum and why Raikaria is so scummy at this stage of Day 1 that I can't see suspicions of any other people in your recent ISO.
I never said it's usually the first ones. I actually planned to wait a bit longer before reacting to votes on me, since usually it's not the ones who jump first. The early jumpers are usually the town, because I've done something slightly silly. Those people are scumhunting. It's the sharks that come in later, once there is a drop of blood in the water.
Besides, how often do I *not* get ED1 wagoned? You may not know BBM, but it's kinda a regular occurrence for me to get ED1 wagon'ed. It even happened in Sereliest where I was Romney. I'm just *really* bad with ED1.
I honest to god do not see how the bolded does not imply intention. When you MAKE someone try and stab at something, that's normally intentional.
I'm perfectly happy with not being around at LYLO. I've been around at LYO so not-often that I'm probobly as likely to screw the town as Serela.
oh my goodness the walls.
my last post had mafia as town and town as mafia btw.
I will continue to use that convention because brain is wired that way.
Okay, reading Raikaria town as of the moment. Seriously, if people are on Rai's case because of the way the vote on BBM was phrased, you've got to be shitting me. BT is looking more scummy but that's mainly from the "OH LOOK THE VOTE OBVIOUSLY IS COMING FROM SCUM BECAUSE OF GUT" thing he did when he first voted Rai, so I'm not going to vote for him yet. Seriously, though, I could tell it was a joke. So was my vote. =_=;
I believe BBM's confusion as well. I myself was confused when I got my role PM. However, that's not a clear in any way. Rai has a point about the ED1 thing: You misrepped the case. My vote for now stays where it is.
I'm not sure what I think of BBM aside from what I already said. I honestly don't see much to reap from his "I'm confused" post. I don't think smarttown!BBM would have *definitely* avoided posting that as you say. I think it's behavioral, and since none of us know BBM's behavior all that well I don't see this going places.
Uh, no, wait, actually, SB does. He should tell us what he thinks.
I believe BBM's confusion as well. I myself was confused when I got my role PM. However, that's not a clear in any way. Rai has a point about the ED1 thing: You misrepped the case. My vote for now stays where it is.
Excuse me this is something you should do naturally kthx. And yes actually, the reverse logic is something you can use. We may not have our mafia quicktopic but we still connect on a hivemind level! Vhaltz's post is very focused on who the scum is, I wouldn't call it waffley at all. Waffley is when a post is almost contradictory in content, driving one way to the other, like a palm tree in the breeze. I wouldn't even call it defensive, he's not trying to defend his personal character, he's defending his case, it's different. Everyone wants to be Right. :objection!:
The ED1 confirmation post part of the case is completely gone from my revamped case other than the fact that the truly scummy things in BBM's play come from replying to it.
pedit: validon apparently isn't ready because shadoweh JUST mentioned that rai subbed out, not sure if it's suspect or he's just being dumb
actually sorry to leave you all hanging again but I just want to sleep and sort this shit out in the morning, for now my BBM vote is the same as it has been and i'm not really sure why people are townreading Vhaltz?
this implies that it was a weak point that you shouldn't have pursued in the first place and I don't like it (also damnit serela now i want mcdonalds)You might just understand this if you decide not to conveniently ignore #100 and read at least the very first sentence in the very first paragraph in it. It's bad that you're implying you think I'm scummy when you don't seem to be willing to read your own scumread.
There was a small thing though. Dormio, why is Shadoweh still so lynchable that you'd barely vote Raikaria over her when so convinced that Raikaria is scum?Oh, here it is. And that reminds me, since Raikaria is gone and I doubt that I can get any form of agreement to lynch the slot anyway.
You shouldn't make decisions on what to say because you think it'll make you look townie, Vhaltz, only the townies need to care about being good little boys. You're not a good little boy, are you?It's like, a coaching and telegraphing in one combo.
having to figure out who dormio is gave me an idea, can someone give me a nickname list or something so I don't get confused on people?Most of it is the straightforward except for me. I'm Dormio.
Yoshino's post #68 comment about Vhaltz tryharding doesn't really tell us what he thinks of him, he seems to be okay with him even though he disagrees with the vote. Elaborate?Oh. Basically, Vhaltz's vote was way too tryhard for me to take seriously, but I don't really mind what he was doing at the time.
Dan, gimme something so I can know this ain't a Shirley Temple rerun. Where are your reads, like at all?
My problem with Dormio is more inactivity than content-relatedSteam summer sale. Good luck!
Pfft. Dormio, that wasn't me accusing Vhaltz of being on The Bad Guy Side. \~*~it's joke~*~/ Because we are the scum!And with the way that you had worded your statement, it's fairly easy to spin your words as being an accusation that Vhaltz was one of the "good boys" which I assume refers to town which you are using as the informed minority in this game.
Sex is, like, totally overrated anyway.
*faceplam* I was taking about RAITAKI, not RAIKARIA. I know Raikaria subbed out. And you say I'm not ready. >_>;
So wait, if your BBM vote is the same as it has been, why vote me then? I know my list was bad, but it sounds more like you want to vote BBM yet can't. Um... explanation?
I get the feeling Serela is town this game. based only on style of posts.
People who post badly and that I dislike and border on scummy:
Serela.
##Kill:Shadoweh
You want to be the townest, don't you?!
Cats howling in the night.
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki (2)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BBM, Dormio (2)
BBM: Raikaria, Vhaltzo (2)
Not Voting: Affinity, Walidon98, Action Dan (3)
There are 31.5 Hours left in the night. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130720T18&p0=2374&msg=End+of+Night+1)
If he happens to be town for whatever reason then he deserves being lynched anyway because who the hell forgets their own vote as town and lurks like hell???
And with the way that you had worded your statement, it's fairly easy to spin your words as being an accusation that Vhaltz was one of the "good boys" which I assume refers to town which you are using as the informed minority in this game.Well, I supose I was being vaguely threatening to start off. Mostly I just wanted to make the joke. I don't think I've entertained a bad feeling of him since he started speaking though.
I don't know how else to say this about Serela, I don't see much content in his posts but that's not really an indicator of whether he's scum or not. >.> Vhaltz why would you go from BBM HATE and saying Dan is weird to voting with BBM and Dan. Serela isalways a good lyncheasy enough to read when he posts reads and I agree not being able to point to a scumspect is a good lynching reason, just that even as scum he's usually tried to make a terrible reason to lynch someone by now. Usually one of his buddies. >:<
'Distancing'
Bleh I still think Validon's posts are weird but I can't argue against that they might just be 'better'. I don't think I see the lynch happening today anyways and time will probably help figure out if he's getting help posting. I've still got my eye on you.Because I don't think I've even seen town!Shadoweh give up on a lynch so easily, especially when the Validon lynch is easily viable and in fact one of the most viable lynches at the moment given the looming deadline. Her "suspects looking townie always depresses me" line sounds kinda fake too; what happened to her secondary suspicions on BBM etc that she'd just leave the lynch up in the air like that? Feels like she's waiting to see where the lynch is going to go before making a decision.
...
Looking at the clock there's ten hours from now to deadline so I'm gonna catch some zz's and decide what else to do in the morning. Suspects looking townie always depresses me.
what about wagoning raitaki.
I just can't see Town!Serela anywhere. It's scum for sure and if not I will frown at him heavily in post game.Ah, you remind me of myself when I was still uninitiated to the ways of the world. :colonveeplusalpha:
Cut I know, I was using the mafia archive too and that's why I'm baffled ._.Get on my level and lurk more games. :V
I don't know how else to say this about Serela, I don't see much content in his posts but that's not really an indicator of whether he's scum or not. >.> Vhaltz why would you go from BBM HATE and saying Dan is weird to voting with BBM and Dan. Serela isalways a good lyncheasy enough to read when he posts reads and I agree not being able to point to a scumspect is a good lynching reason, just that even as scum he's usually tried to make a terrible reason to lynch someone by now. Usually one of his buddies. >:<
She basically postpones Serela's lynch saying the following
Curious as to why VM thinks Affinity looks town. I'm generally bad at reading him so. SAME QUESTION FOR CONQ what
Conq you whore, how dare you imply that I would have trouble bussing Serela if he looked like a sinking ship at the first opportunity. You wonder why I can't get a read on him when the worst thing you can say about him is he isn't posting, and that it might be town or scum. He's being useless but he's having trouble giving out a read other then Vhaltz is town, unless he's scum with Serious Bananas I'm not sure if he's just flooundering or not.
Are you guys wagoning me last minute? That's so cute. My wagon is an RVS vote, a terrible vote, Dormio being Dormio and I haven't read Affinity's post but I assume it's because I went to sleep. You know, it's bad policy to give the opposite wagon the hammer. I can't magically see into Serela's heart every time. I don't have a town read on him at least. Why did the BBM wagon dissolve so fast? I think my main concern with the Serelawagon is it's unusual for him to get the attention he deserves if I'm not screaming at him.
You are Serela, The Final Nail in the Coffin. Or you would be if you were a part of the Mafia.It is now Day 2. You may go about your daily business, but remember to keep hush on the game content. We don't want to alert the town!
Instead, You are the Town Mason. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill, the town lynch, and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when your faction (town) collectively holds voting majority over the nightkill.
Can anyone recommend a good anime for me to watch? There's only a finite number of Shakugan no Shana episodes, and Hidan no Aria won't last forever either.
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Can anyone recommend a good anime for me to watch? There's only a finite number of Shakugan no Shana episodes, and Hidan no Aria won't last forever either.
Can anyone recommend a good anime for me to watch? There's only a finite number of Shakugan no Shana episodes, and Hidan no Aria won't last forever either.space brothers
also im watching kaiji as of today and it owns but i assume most people here have already seen it.
You are BigBangMeteor, the the Unidentified Crafty.
You are the Mafia Governor. Once per day you may select one person. That person will be unable to be lynched for the duration of that day. You may not select the same person twice in a row. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
Re: VT claim stuff, it's possible Serela got tired of claiming something hard, his fakeclaims are sometimes so terrible they get him lynched, but I think I'd at least pressure him to claim cop to see if there is one in this setup. (Or roleclop I guess? A Mafia cop doesn't make much sense and he'd be able to sound excited about being it again.)
So yeah I don't think he'd claim vanilla is what I'm saying. This is awkward because I'm not going to vote myself.
The buddy talk is annoying because Serela isn't going to flip green + Day 1 buddies lewl. I'm annoyed that Serela didn't make a last reads post so I could at least try to push a Raitaki Wonder Wagon.
blah blah blah, you're wasting your words BT.
This is a horrible reaction. Handwaving BT's case like that looks pretty scummy.
Re: Affinity, how do people's townreads hold in light of this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999170.html#msg999170) about Serela?
##Unkill ActionDanquoting this because blue on yellow makes my eyes burn otherwise
I'll drop it for now. Mind you, he did vote BBM(town) at a critical point, and despite discouraging a Shadoweh vote and saying he could lynch Serela, he never did so until Conq did. But all this still probably went before Serela had time to raise the white flag. Whatever.
Affinity brought up what would have been my main gripe with SB, but aside from that I'm fairly content with his posts when I'm reading them right now. It's weird.
You know what? Votecounts.
First Votecount
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Dormio, BBM, ActionDan (4)
Raitaki: BT (1)
Serela: Shadoweh (1)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo (2)
First DEATHCOUNT
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Dormio, BBM, ActionDan (4)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BT, Shadoweh (2)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo, Raikaria (3)
Incoming Count
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, ActionDan (2)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BT, Shadoweh, BBM, Dormio (4)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo, Raikaria (3)
Cats howling in the night.
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki (2)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BBM, Dormio (2)
BBM: Raikaria, Vhaltzo (2)
Dust in the Wind
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio (3)
BBM: Conqueror, Validon, ActionDan (3)
BT: Affinity (1)
Serlea: BBM Vhaltzo (2)
Dust Kick Slide
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
BBM: Validon, ActionDan (2)
Serlea: BBM Vhaltzo (2)
Speeding Gumball
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98 (5)
Pudding for Dinner
Validon98: Shadoweh, Serious Bananas (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT (6)
NightKill
Validon98: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT, Serious Bananas (7)
Lovely Replace All, the rest of the post is nbd. I'll continue this sometime later.
(You tell me not to look at bussers but even you admit there probably is one :V It's a short list dood)(If you had hammered, then with my working scumteam theory there would have been no bussers on the wagon. :V)
This is only like 15% of my normal town self so please stay tuned.in any case im not interested in an affinity lynch.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998608.html#msg998608) doesn't particularly look good to me. "Probably mislynch victims" strongly implies that Shadoweh wasn't sure Raikaria and BBM were really in the informed minority; this is further reflected in her explanation paragraphs, which imo doesn't really accuse anyone of being scummy, and also implies forgiveness if content improves, which again is pretty much calling their plays bad, not scummy, while still leaving open the possibility of pressing onto them if desired. It looks like neither scumreads nor scumhunting, but a load of "you should stop this or I'LL PUSH YOU". Meanwhile the crux of her Validon push was "this is not like his normal meta". While I can't say that is an inherently scummy argument, it's still an easy and safe claim for scum to make w/o people taking much of a problem against it cuz meta is subjective. She also didn't have any definitive opinion about the quality/scumminess of Validon's actual content, rather just focused on comparing it to his past games.This entire paragraph in particular is just complete bull. First Raitaki tries to spin a joke into something scummy, then he says that implying forgiveness if content improves is scummy (when in fact this is something all townies should strive to do) and the rest is basically nonsensical blabber or stuff that just isn't scummy. Does anyone disagree with me? No? Vote Raitaki for great justice, he's just making stuff up as he goes.
so hopefully affinity's power just went out for a really long time and he's totally okay and will be back by d2 guys
(im also using as a benchmark stuff like scumbt in disgaea where bt held on to the dumbest case on me for forever and i still havent forgiven you for getting away with it)Had to laugh out loud here. No regrets, everything went according to plan (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933916.html#msg933916) in that one.
not interested in a dan lynch either; imo it's pretty clear that the town feel he got from serela's posts was from not reading them carefully ("style of posts") and he changed his mind without any prompting upon reading more closely (now serela "posts badly", which doesnt conflict with dan originally finding his style of posts townie). unless you can explain to me why scum dan thought it would be a good idea to suddenly switch reads on his scumbuddy for no reason at all and have it draw attention to himself later on?I don't quite get that though. Serela's posts weren't much to look at - you could tell that they were devoid of actual scumhunting easily, so it seems weird to me that his explanation is that he read more closely the second time. As for why it happened, scum can forget their impulse-reads and fuck up. That's what I was going for with the vote, anyway, if it's more clear now. I also wouldn't rule out a blatant Serela bus - maybe Serela saw Vhaltz's gusto and gave up in advance or some shit, I wouldn't hurry to put it on the "unlikely, look away" shelf. In any case I decided to "drop" the vote for now (also because I'm not / I wasn't a fan of the other votes on the wagon) but I'm still staring.
working on a post nowClick on a person's profile, and then "Show Posts". Downside is that it shows posts across all parts of the forum, which doesn't mean much for most of the players here but certain people LIKE DORMIO post across a lot of different threads so you end up having to ctrl+f mafia for the thread title.
bluh i wish i knew how isos here worked
I generally dislike when someone uses alot of I dislike, seems weird, without it being clear if you suspect the person you're doubting or not.Sentence explains itself.
You need to stop using 'I like/don't like' and start saying 'I suspect x because of' or 'I don't suspect x but they are doing y that is bad' or whatever equivalent.Coaching, Makes it clear she thought it was bad play, but anything implicating it of being scummy play is absent.
It's really A Bad Thing when someone words their posts in ways that can be taken either wayBeing vague about what kind of bad it is.
Unhelpful people who get moody when they're suspected get lynched because no one likes dealing with a no-content guy.This isn't "you are scummy because you have no content", but "people suspect you because you have no content".
I remember he thought BBM as town, but he did not give much on Shadoweh and Serela, the people relevant to yesterday's end-state. The fact that he throws away his Validon and Vhaltz completely while going for something rude ActionDan said also makes me suspect him a lot. So... yeah.
What I wanted to say about SB has mostly already been said by Affinity's SB case today (SB not only drops Vhaltz and Validon as Affinity mentions, but he also completely drops Shadoweh when it looks like he was turning against her at the end of the day yesterday; the sudden focus on actiondan today seems opportunistic given how bt opened the day). I guess a lot of his posting just feels mechanical/inconsequential; I don't feel any real conviction from his posts or the feeling he wants his scumspects lynched, it's more like "yeah this guy is scummy. i dont like, we should totally kill them rawr :C" This is probably not the best way to state this so I'll see if I can rephrase it in a better way later.
WIFOM isn't always scummy (damnit BBM why did you have to die or you could've backed me up on this)
Whoa, hold the phone here: How is ActionDan at K-2 if it takes six votes to lynch?
Also, something I didn't mention earlier because I wasn't sure if it was important or not: It's Dormio's "day" posts. They're all about complaining about Steam or something. It's kind of reminding me a bit of Polaris/Celery's role where he posted a bunch of celery puns in order to fulfill a condition for a new power. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but it set off an alarm in my head.
Meanwhile the crux of her Validon push was "this is not like his normal meta". While I can't say that is an inherently scummy argument, it's still an easy and safe claim for scum to make w/o people taking much of a problem against it cuz meta is subjective. She also didn't have any definitive opinion about the quality/scumminess of Validon's actual content, rather just focused on comparing it to his past games.
Okay here's the Dormio case.
SB's whole beef on ActionDan being scum because he just gave a bunch of unjustified reads reminded me that Dormio is a thing that I don't like. ActionDan has barely written one or two cases he but he has given plenty of reads that are to flow logically whenever they switch and people can hold it against him if they don't, whereas Dormio threw out a few cases but has barely given any comments at all on other players, which lets him just bullshit up a case onto any of them as scum because we have no precedent as to what he thinked of them. As such denying reads is not only being unhelpful but also A Very Convenient Move For Scum.
His response to my prod for reads is scummy in light of this. I've been reading Town!Dormio in Disgagea to see if he would do this, and he seems to be kinda case-focused like he is here, but even then he still makes plenty of side mentions in a way that makes it very clear what he thinks about the players in them (whether he thinks they're outright scummy, whether he thinks something they've done is kinda scummy but he's unsure so he prods for more content, etc). All in all, his side mentions are noteworthy because you can see scumhunting in them. This game, however, it's very different, the cases are mostly (more like exclusively) wagon jumps with few to no side mentions at all that may indicate what he thinks about anybody in the game. And when he is prodded to clarify what he thinks of a player such as myself, he seems to go out of his way to reply in ways that continue to hide what he thinks about my alignment. This can be seen in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998236.html#msg998236) where he kind of implies I'm townie but still words things in a deliberately obfuscating way, this obfuscatingness about his read repeats itself again in the very same way when prodded a second time about the issue here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998902.html#msg998902). If he's town and he was prodded twice about the very same issue in ways that made it obvious that the people asking wanted to know what his read on me was, why be totally unhelpful not only the first time around but also the second time? It's just that, deliberately concealing the read. Why would town do this?
Then there's the other parts of this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998236.html#msg998236). His other side-comment is on Two Rais Existing which is Totally Not Relevant To Scumhunting and fluffy. Regarding his main point, he just jumped onto the Raikaria wagon using pre-existent reasoning (backtrack) making it look like it's original content, while withholding a Shadoweh case that came later in his last contentful post of the day (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998899.html#msg998899). Like BT pointed out in his late D1 post, most of the reasoning used to vote Shadoweh here was readily usable back when he voted Raikaria and it was certainly lots more evidence than the simple backtrack he had on Raikaria.
This reads like he was eager to wagon Raikaria for an easy lynch but had to give up when Conq replaced in and switched to Shadoweh. Back when I read this post I overlooked how Shadoweh was also a potential end day wagon because I had forgotten that Serela was still voting her, so I thought that this was a town!Dormio hipster vote, but it was actually also a wagon jump.
Add to this that there are zero side mentions of any sort in the post where he votes Shadoweh and that all of his later D1 posts amount to nothing but a Dan prod. There were other wagons like BBM and Validon that he didn't comment on at all so it's not like he's only actively not giving reads, he's also avoiding any other sort of mention that could indicate what he thought of other player's alignments.
Then on D2 he proceeds to pursue Shadoweh again without explanation, likely continuing with his D1 case because he has never even said what still made her scum despite what happened lateD1, and when he unvotes her to hop onto the Raitaki wagon he doesn't explain why she isn't scum anymore either, which means he can hop right back onto Shadoweh at some point later in the game without much addition to his earlier case because he happened to "never stop finding her scummy". Raitaki is also not one of the two people he said he'd read in his first D2 post (Dan and SB), when that mention of them would normally mean that those two people were his primary scumspects to reread aside from Shadoweh at the time. We'll never know whether he reread or not because all of his comments on Dan and SB amount to nothing. So he just hopped onto the popular Raitaki wagon, yup, and at this point he's just blatantly sheeping the general opinion with apparently no opinions whatsoever on anybody he hasn't voted yet. His Raitaki case feels very very lackluster for a D2 case, too, his midD1 Shadoweh vote was justified better than this, it feels like Dormio's current vote is still in the getting-out-of-RVS stage. This is not town!Dormio.
Did I mention how he keeps repeating how uninterested he is in everything and how much he seems to prefer Steam to mafia? Because that's totally not an excuse to not post much as scum or anything. He just keeps mentioning it over and over and I no matter how much I think about it I can't see any reason for town to do this, scum would be the ones to be constantly justifying their abscence like that.
Also want to hear the reason why he got by without calling attention? Tone. Nothing else. Nobody is reading him town due to his actions, he's just town because "he sounds like Dormio" when that's very easily fakeable. Read him back in Disgagea and then here and tell me this is Town!Dormio again.
All of this amounts to Blatant Wagon Jumping + coasting + -no reads mode I can bullshit cases into lynching whoever I want since nobody cares to vote me anyway-. I've been waffling on Dormio all game because of :apathy: screwing up my read with little content to go on, but my convictions are stronger now. Not as strong as with Serela but I'm also quite convinced that this is the scum we're looking for.
##Kill: Dormio
If you're town for whatever reason then you'll learn to try to play more seriously, I'm pretty sure this would be what Kitten4u was complaining about when I was around last year and she said that she dropped playing because some MotK players not following their wincon screws up her reads.
This is where my vote stays. Lynching the little girl with the stuffed toy is where it's at.
That's what I get for posting it in our QT before I went to sleep and grabbing it back from there to post it instead of just leaving the post on another open tab.
but certain people LIKE DORMIO post across a lot of different threads so you end up having to ctrl+f mafia for the thread title.I'm supposed to be a lurker damn it!
Dormio is fulfilling conditions by talking about Steam forever. It makes no senseeeeeeeeee. 100% paranoia. Town paranoia.>Recent Game Activity: 95.2 hours past 2 weeks
whereas Dormio threw out a few cases but has barely given any comments at all on other players, which lets him just bullshit up a case onto any of them as scum because we have no precedent as to what he thinked of them. As such denying reads is not only being unhelpful but also A Very Convenient Move For Scum.So? If someone is being scummy then I'll vote them. I don't get the point of giving out townreads when they're liable to change anyway.
I feel like you went a bit far with some of those points, and some of them are things Dormio does as town too, but overall it was a good read.What does "a good read" mean?
I feel like you went a bit far with some of those points, and some of them are things Dormio does as town too, but overall it was a good read.
Welcome to the NHK (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13051.0.html) might be a good reference, if you haven't read it. I'll look at it myself later I think.
I want to see what you think of the rest of the game Dormio. No, that BT nitpick doesn't count.I don't see what you'll get out of me telling you that I don't care about the rest of the game.
...But I can kinda see Raitaki scrambling to get around the game in this situation, mostly because I'm having lots of difficulties following everything right now myself even though I got a big chunk of reading work done during the night phase. His Affinity read sounds like original and reasonable suspicion even though I personally still think Affinity is probably town.What was original and reasonable about the Affinity suspicion?
I don't know. I haven't finished reading his latest post but it just doesn't make sense in my head that scum getting wagoned so early in the day would stick to their case on somebody who pretty much everybody else agrees is probably town. I'm pretty inclined to think Raitaki is town as well.What do you mean by that? Before Raitaki posted his Shadoweh case (can't look back to check right now) there were still a few people who hadn't posted and the Shadoweh wagon was still fully a possibility if they thought Shadoweh was suspicious. Add to this that Raitaki was pushing Shadoweh all day yesterday and the fact that Shadoweh had weird reactions with Serela yesterday and Shadoweh's still a reasonable case to push, if only because it gives a lot for Raitaki to talk about. At the time he made the case, he wasn't even a major wagon. Your premise is flawed.
His "DAN IS TOO EASY" point that somebody gave him flak for reads okay to me because it's true. Actually I think that's a solid towntell on him now, because it would be really really stupid for scum!Raitaki to wave off a possible easy mislynch at this point. If Conq is town then scum is just completely surrounded by obvtowns which means Raitaki!Scum would HAVE to resort to easy targets to wagon on, people are actively PoE'ing scum all over the thread, and instead of pursuing the lynchable targets Raitaki stubbornly sticks to his ED1 case on Shadoweh who is not getting lynched today whatsoever.It's not true, and I want you to explain why you think so given that Dan pushed the Serela lynch yesterday and has actually done a decent amount of stuff even if he's a massive lurkhead. Raitaki never waved off the mislynch either; the way he dismissed it as an easy lurker mislynch leaves him room to consolidate on the wagon while distancing him from a potential townflip.
There's also how everybody has posted so far in D2 and nobody has even given a thought to Raitaki being town yet iirc, if Raitaki were scum this would mean that their last buddy would be bussing him and that's a horrible scum strategy after a D1 scum lynch. Most of what I just said is circunstancial evidence and it gets kinda WIFOM-y at points, but even so his stubborn grip on the Shadoweh vote even with the big wagon on him makes me think that he either sucks really hard at being scum or he's town, and like somebody said at some point in some game some time ago I prefer to believe scum are not batshit incompetent.Scum is getting stomped this game, I think the last buddy is going to want to bus because Raitaki is going down today. I'll talk more about this later.
One was a mystery vote that scum had and Raitaki knew about that he spent a bunch of time screaming about
The second was a mod error by the looks of it, but that's why it would be a Thing for aspiring scum to point out and omg about!
Question for aforementioned BT:What does "a good read" mean?It means I generally thought it was a good avenue to pursue.
Cut: Not really, I'll go into detail later. Also I'll post lots of DORMIO META about Dormio not doing stuff. His not-doing-stuff is non-alignment-indicative imo.
He could be abusing this to coast. He's not only not doing anything though, he also justifies by posting in thread about steam, disinterest etc repeatedly which is personally what irks both Mitsuki and I the most in all we've mentioned about Dormio. It's like a repeat of Serela's opening post going "hey guys don't bother looking at me D1 this game I'll be busy doing other things even though I signed up for mafia". Scum would feel the need to justify themselves much more than town which is also what Dormio's reply to my case is all about, justification of not playing the game.When I say disinterest, it's disinterest in the players, not the game.
Dormio, the only real question I have is why you think SB is town, because most other people aren't seeing it. I don't think other specifics matter.Will also respond to this later. Maybe.
I get the feeling Serela is town this game. based only on style of posts.But by itself it doesn't really mean much.
First Votecount
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Dormio, BBM, ActionDan (4)
Raitaki: BT (1)
Serela: Shadoweh (1)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo (2)
First DEATHCOUNT
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Dormio, BBM, ActionDan (4)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BT, Shadoweh (2)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo, Raikaria (3)
Incoming Count
Validon98: Raitaki (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, ActionDan (2)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BT, Shadoweh, BBM, Dormio (4)
BBM: Validon98, Vhaltzo, Raikaria (3)
Cats howling in the night.
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki (2)
Vhaltzo: Serious Bananas (1)
Raikaria: BBM, Dormio (2)
BBM: Raikaria, Vhaltzo (2)
Dust in the Wind
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio (3)
BBM: Conqueror, Validon, ActionDan (3)
BT: Affinity (1)
Serlea: BBM Vhaltzo (2)
Dust Kick Slide
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
BBM: Validon, ActionDan (2)
Serlea: BBM Vhaltzo (2)
Speeding Gumball
Validon98: Shadoweh, BT, Serious Bananas (3)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98 (5)
Pudding for Dinner
Validon98: Shadoweh, Serious Bananas (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT (6)
NightKill
Validon98: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT, Serious Bananas (7)
See Raitaki's Affinity case, which basically convinces me that Raitaki is basically just cherrypicking random questionable posts out of people's ISOs (or just not reading them at all) because his case on Affinity focuses on how Affinity drops BT for Shadoweh but there's no mention of the actually questionable part of Affinity's posts, which is the defense of Serela and the swing to the Shadoweh wagon at a crucial point in the wagons.
My mind since my last post on who's scum is still the same: SB and Raitaki. I'm also adding Dan back to that list because Dan also seems like he's lurking again and his last post wasn't really that helpful at all. In fact he hasn't been too helpful period.
ActionDan: I can see why he's having a wagon on him. But on the other hand, voting him is easy as hell and he's not even TRYING to be helpful or town, and Dan usually posts little as both alignments until later anyway, so I dunno about him yet. I guess he's on the level of the average lurker in my book, which isn't very high up the lynch-o-meter.
SB, I said your posting style was bad in the sense that, as Conq and Affinity have both already brought up, you've voted for various people but have been flip-flopping so much. Relevant posts that I agree with:
I know it's just agreeing with someone else's opinions, but I did notice how you've been flip-flopping on votes.
You'll have to tell me what my motivation for coaching a Good Guy I'm trying to lynch is, unless you're suggesting we're partners.To me the combination of coaching and wanting to lynch made it look like you were trying to lynch them for being bad instead of scum, and since you didn't suggest they were scummy you would be able to take the read either way later easily.
I do find it odd that he posted almost immediately after that votecount confusion happened, but didn't mention it. I say this because in MMM2 when it happened he spent an entire page of spamposts talking about the conspiracyness of it making himself sound loud and proud. I have to conclude that the only reason he missed it and didn't bother commenting on it is both because he was actually rereading like he said he was, and none of his buddies mentioned it in the QT. I don't know about you but when I'm scum and I say I'm rereading I'm actually watching Hell's Kitchen or something.PX fixed it before I posted, so I waved it off as mod error.
He then follows this up with this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999915.html#msg999915) where he says that Shadoweh isn't accusing anyone of being scummy. This is based on a misunderstanding of Shadoweh's terminology, but when other (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999949.html#msg999949) people (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg1000065.html#msg1000065) (there are probably more instances of it being called out on but I'm too lazy to look for all of them) mention that Raitaki's argument is based on a faulty premise, what is his response?Uh, what? My argument was still hinging on the fact Shadoweh's "scumreads" were there only cuz they were bad play and she never implied she wanted them lynched for scumminess :\
To completely change his argument (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg1000096.html#msg1000096).
Raitaki I'm sorry you got stuck with Validon as a Bad Guy Team buddy but voting me when I'm full of CONVICTION isn't going to save you. Accusing me of coasting after posting something like five wall posts, especially when you've posted half as much as me if I'm being generous, means you can fuck right off and die tomorrow.
If Dan is scum with Raitaki I'd be impressed. He'd had to have had the most suicidal bussing plan from the beginning of the game.
You are Raitaki, The Thundering Waterfall. Or you would be if you were a part of the Mafia.Day 3 will end in approximately 29 Hours. Mostly due to the fact that I won't be able to post between the hours of 7:30 am and 6:00 pm for the entire next week.
You are the Town Miller. If you are the target of an investigation, you will appear as Mafia. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill, The Town Lynch, and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You are Vhaltzo and Mitsuki, The Twins.
You are the Mafia Cop. Once per day you may select one person. You will then be told if that person is a member of the mafia or of the town. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
dormio even you didnt have the balls to vig px when you were scumbuddies together, scum do have a miminum sense of self-preservation you knowLies. I would have totally shot PX if it weren't for him yelling at me on teamspeak not to for an hour.
Why, when Raitaki was such a major wagon, did you more or less just go along with it? You didn't post any reasons to why you were voting him iirc. You just acted as the hammer in case no one else would. That's heavily suspicious. What were your thoughts on Raitaki before you hammered?
what. are we reading the same game here?I think I know but I'll let him answer.
I think it would be cool if SB just claimed so we could lynch real fast if he messes up his claim as bad as Raitaki did yesterday.Remember that time we lynched Serela in an hour? That was fun. He flipped town but it was still fun.
##unkill
validon are you just making stuff up
Maybe Validon mixed up Raitiki and Serela. Oh well.
Need to reread Shadoweh and dislike Raik.
Raitaki's post #90 isn't a good vote for shadoweh imo, it's like, "shadoweh hasn't talked about how she (is shadoweh a she?) suspects people other than the people she's voting for.)" I felt like I was kind of townreading her earlier so this might be part of the reason for it, and telling people to get content isn't a bad thing.
f5 f5 f5 f5 f5
I'm literally doing nothing but hitting f5 and seeing if Banana has claimed yet. Do you think he'd appear if we sing?
This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-S!
In fact I think most of my reads are in the air at this point.Which is all kinds of convenient for the next day.
dormio did you miss vhaltz's cop flip and his investigation crumbsActually if someone could post those for me I'd love that.
I reread and did some ISO's during the night/day/whatever in case I got to live and I think I got some nice stuff out of it. Affinity is even townier than before, BT went 180? into probstown avenue, Shadoweh is possibly not so scum and BBM was town but now everybody knows that.
BT
[blah blah blah] Pretty sure he's town now.
So from townier to less townier my townreads are like this now:
BT >> Shadoweh/ Affinity > Conq/Dan
dunno, still quite a weaker townread than BT/Conq/Dormio.
You are Serious Bananas, the Tough Nut.You have 36 hours to send in err, day actions.
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
zzz where is px or someone i cant stand the suspense
Conq is now in the same time zone as Siberia. probably. (not that our sleep schedules weren't attuned to that before)I was wondering about this.
no it's roleflop i mean yesdamn i thought it was roleslop
guess 7 hours are over, mod please
Dude, 3 am? Really?mods arent people, theyre forces of nature
Let's go play IRC mafia AND a 2-month-long game at mafiascum while we wait for the flipwould not mind
You areRaikaria, The Ruminator. Conqueror The Guy Who is Known for Capturing a Bunch of land During Recent Wars (we should come up with a better title).
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
actually now that im looking back at the game all my maizono faces got scrubbed because LOLIMAGEHOSTuse majhost, it's like photobucket but not a shitty relic (just an ordinary relic). there might be some caps and limitations though, it's been a while since i bothered with it
that totally kills my buzz
anyone know a good image hosting site that doesnt delete images for inactivity or have a dumb file number limit?
i think if killing raitaki and sb doesn't end the game validon might be a decent option. im reading everyone else as town.:D
More on Dan: Raitaki was far from the projected D2 lynch so for him to highlight him right as the day started (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999843.html#msg999843) is really too much.You meant that that makes him suspicious. Ugh, I'm misunderstanding everything today. >_>;
@BT: You sure we should do this? I mean, I'm worried that someone might hammer him before he gets back to us with a claim, but seeing as it adds more pressure it's a risk we're going to have to take.ummmm
##Unkill
##Kill: Raitaki
No one hammer before Raitaki responds!
I haven't read too much into Raitaki because of his lack of posts so I'm not entirely convinced. I'll have to do that later.
ttitude kind of angered me a bit, but I haven't really seen anything from his overall posts that makes me feel like he's scum.
My mind since my last post on who's scum is still the same: SB and Raitaki.
This is townnnnnnnnnnnnn.(I don't agree with this - could have very well come from inexperienced <insert allegiance here>)
Just look at that, he actually thinks that Condition Fulfilling Upgrading Mafia Boss is a common role that could be in this setup and that Dormio is fulfilling conditions by talking about Steam forever. It makes no senseeeeeeeeee. 100% paranoia. Town paranoia. Not lynching Validon.
Also, sorry about the Condition Fulfilling Upgrading Mafia Boss thing. It just seemed so similar I couldn't help but think back to I Wanna Be the Sereliest. >_>;
Cut: Shadoweh, I'm sorry but you're going to have to wait until later. I have to go for a few hours. When I comeback I'll doing some reading. Of course by that time everyone's going to turbolynch me and find out that, whoops, I'm just a Mafia Goon who's just been playing badly again. >_>;
You were uh, too busy asking me WHAT'S YOUR OPINION to comment on it until he got subtly counterclaimed by half the game.Weren't these two posts apart?
Will ##Kill: ActionDan for now. Details later.
But, you know, I think I'll humor you and do an opinion post on the people you've listed.
Validon: I think he's town but I'm not reading a single word he's saying.
BT: Will mention later.
SB: Probably town so I don't care about him.
Conq: Conq is mai waifu cannot lynch.
BBM: Don't care about this guy.
Serela: Well he's dead now.
Affinity: Don't know. Might read later.
Myself: Probably town and ignoring for the most part as a result.
At the end of the day, we have open ended suspicion once more from BT.
D3 comprises of ~vote bananas~.
##Unkill BT
##Kill Serious Bananas
I don't really know what I'm doing and this is L-1.
Maybe Validon mixed up Raitiki and Serela. Oh well.
Actually, I'm a bit not sure if SB is the remaining scum. If he was, I would expect him to be more buddy-conscious and actually defend him or at least acknowledge him when almost everyone else was doing so. Then again, Serela and Raitiki have been playing suicidally so I don't know.
Will ##Kill: ActionDan for now. Details later.
But the set is 2 group scum, 1 traitor. And if scum, Validon is group scum so maybe he wasn't paying enough attention to the traitor flip
did the mod not tell you that at the start of the game their were two group scum and one traitor that's aligned with them but doesn't know who they are? You see that was open knowledge. And you are saying you don't know that?
...I seriously think I did not read Raitaki's flip beyond that he was Town.
...Wow, I'm dumb. I seriously missed that. I am so blind. *headdesks over and over again*
Both the current flips don't say anything regarding traitorism. If there is one then they'd have to be the remaining townie. They'd also be stolen from Zombie Apocalypse, making Zakeri even more of a terrible person.
Cut: >_> I was going to post this earlier but then I realized you were messing with Validon so I waited until you admitted it. I thought Miller was a pretty clever way to put in a godfather.
Raitaki's D2 is amusing to me. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999915.html#msg999915) in particular is hilarious for reasons undisclosed.
Tempted to vote.
KillCount
Dormio: Validon98 (1)
BT: Affinity, Dormio (2)
With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
36 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130730T06&p0=3378) left.
No posts? Why doesn't everyone else at least say who they think is the scum?
Why doesn't everyone else at least say who they think is the scum?Shadoweh? Dan?
KillCount
Dormio: Validon98 (1)
BT: Affinity, Dormio (2)
Affiinity: BT (1)
With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
10 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130730T06&p0=3378) left.
Shadoweh:
NightKill
Validon98: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT, Serious Bananas (7)
Same with Dormio, you two have been quiet on the whole matter so farwat?
I assume we're all mature enough to understand the consequences of hammering without a claim.
ummmm
I'm actually not sure what to think about this.
KillCount
Affinity: BT, ActionDan (2)
BT: Affinity, Dormio, Validon98 (2)
With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
little over 3 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130730T06&p0=3378) left.
he hopped on Serela way after his lynch was a definite thingMore like I hopped on it the instance I read to that point. It was pretty much a mirror of C7D like I mentioned in that post.
Also last thing BBM did before dying is talk about how suspicious BT is.I literally don't remember this was a thing so it was probably insignificant.
I mean your reason for voting him is basically 'he's not Dormio and I trust VM/Conq'. The only reason they ever trusted you was because VM (probably) copped you, which is irrelevant from my perspective because cops aren't being told if they hit the right target. Before that everyone that has mentioned you had you as 'null'....And I still don't want to lynch Dormio over him because he had two flipped townies saying that they read him strongly as town. I don't see the problem here.
I find you not remembering it unlikely because you started Day 2 with a post worrying that people thought you were scummy. It was the last thing BBM said (just before I posted with a little freakout, admittedly embarrassingly oblivious to the situation)Nope, that's because I remembered VM and Conq as "reps of the i-think-you're-scummy brigade", not BBM. So I really did forget about BBM and killing him off wouldn't stop the rest of the town from looking at me if I thought it was popular opinion.
Do I think Affinity has more going for him then you? Honestly yes, otherwise I wouldn't be saying I'd lynch you. I apologize if I'm wrong, but I do believe he sounds more honest, and you seem a little frustrated like you want to get this overwith, and I mean before I told you I was hammering you. I suspect some of that frustration might be having buddies competing with BGoM for Best Bros Evar.The frustration is because this game is a dragging annoyance to me at this point. What can I say. But I'd think with my D2 entrance, the very likely clear and being sure there was a traitor too would be in my favor.
KillCount
Affinity: BT, ActionDan (2)
BT: Affinity, Dormio, Validon98 (3)
With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
2 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130730T06&p0=3378) left.
You are BT, The STAB Dragon.
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
Had to laugh out loud here. No regrets, everything went according to plan (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933916.html#msg933916) in that one.this was a good game, especially the part where i won
You are Shadoweh, The Innocent Killer.
You are the Mafia Roleclop. Once per day you may select one person. You will then be given a short description of how their role works. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
@mod: Will the game end if there is a no-kill(lynch)?
Why the fuck would we no lynch?
I dunno. Zakeri's message sounds pretty ominous to me.
cough.>Implying random lynch.
@Dormio: No, no one has. Can whoever did it please claim, then? It's not me, in case you're wondering.
Also, I'm not going to really be able to access the internet tomorrow or the day after. I'll try to get on in case something comes up, but if we're just going to no lynch I guess it doesn't really matter because I'll be here for Night 6. Unless I get killed in that time. >_>
Also.>Implying random lynch.
So how long is this going to drag for?
I could always vote youAnd lose. :D
Scum would have been forced to do so. Dormio didn't. Therefore he's town
Raitaki's D2 is amusing to me. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg999915.html#msg999915) in particular is hilarious for reasons undisclosed.
Tempted to vote.
You are Dormio, the Thousand Names.
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when all members of the town have been removed from the Mafia.
You are Validon, The Passionate Wind.A Bed of Flowers has been laid across Shadoweh's grave
You are a Mafia Goon. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when all members of the town have been removed from the Mafia.
You are ActionDan, The Action Man.
You are the Mafia Gift Giver. Once per day you may select one person. That person will then be given an object with which they may use at their disclosure. There is no known limit to the number of gifts you can give over the course of the game. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when all members of the town have been removed from the Mafia.
You are Affinity, The Cold-hearted Busser. Or you would be if you were a part of the Mafia.Town Wins
You are the Town Busdriver. You share a quicktopic with Serela, the Town Mason and Raitaki, the Town Miller. Once per day you may select two people. Any actions that target one of those two will instead target the other. This action cannot be used to affect the lynch, since the lynch is not considered an action. Beyond that you have your part to control the nightkill and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when your faction (town) collectively holds voting majority over the nightkill.
Very glad Affinity won this. When will people learn that not hammering obvscum for the sake of increasing daytalk time is a fucking dumb idea?
I love how basically in the graveyard in the end everyone was like "town deserves to lose this." Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. Of course I had no fucking clue Affinity was scum so whatever.
I guess that means good game, Affinity. I had NO clue and in the end I voted Dormio because Dormio played bad enough for me to go "wait what." >_>;
No, they thought you won the game. They lost.
I love how basically in the graveyard in the end everyone was like "town deserves to lose this." Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. Of course I had no fucking clue Affinity was scum so whatever.
I guess that means good game, Affinity. I had NO clue and in the end I voted Dormio because Dormio played bad enough for me to go "wait what." >_>;
lol. W/e can't win with Validon.
You could have, you know, backed it up with evidence. You just said "vote Affinity." >_>;This is a valid point. Honestly I'd say Dan threw the game from an observers perspective on the last day but whatever. 'town' lost, 'scum' won, no amount of finger pointing and blaming could change that. Just learn from the mistakes that were made, become better players and keep having fun :)
I told you Affinity was scum.
I was confirmed town.
What the fucking fuck
@ "town deserved to lose" sentiment. No fuck that. Town deserved to win. Scum got destroyed.
2/3 of the scum team got destroyed. Town only deserves to win if 3/3 of the scum team gets destroyed.
Town arrogance and complacency was what let Affinity back in the game. Guess which individual player embodied both of those qualities the most? Here's a hint: it wasn't Validon.
The thing is I wasn't sure and I didn't want to jump to conclusions. You could have, you know, backed it up with evidence. You just said "vote Affinity." >_>;
EDIT:
I'll just stay out of the next game, then.
I had to argue with stuff like "his content is town!affinity content".this shit is the worst and should be taken to mafiascum ftr
re-read the game
Honestly, if there is any one person to blame, its not any of the people that made it intoKiloLylo.
It's true that town fell into arrogance and complacency, but I think that after BT's lynch they had that wrapped up and were starting up their trains of thought and rereads and blah blah all over again. Night five saw it's fair share of arguing and discussion comparative to the fact that there were only 2 people that actually needed to decide.
That's just the point. After BT's lynch. Both of town's available mislynches were wasted due to the arrogance and complacency, and by the time people realized that the town was in danger of losing, the game was in effective D3 LYLO because everybody had been equally lazy the last two cycles, causing them to both be very unhelpful in assisting scumhunting.
If I ever play another game with SB I will refuse to vote him for any reason out of principle. 2/2 for being a dumb mislynch. ;_;
Like I said in the graveyard I'm fine with the Affinity win. Dormio deserved to be lynched instead and should've been the one to be force-subbed due to repeated proclaimed lack of interest in the game. It really kills the game for me when people don't play to their wincon and I know I've been really pushy with my cases this game and people could be annoyed at me for that, but I still don't really get why I had to get AtE thrown at me for expecting something as basic as that. =/.I was still playing to win? At what point was I not?
YOU REMEMBER
After reading the mod QT and how the Town Miller is also suposed to fool the Roleclop, I'm double-mad about the self-targetting busdriver on top of that. >:< Why even give investigative roles that don't work on 2/3 of the town, especially since I would have got nothing from Serela either!idk why you're complaining about this seeing as you played in touhou NOCfia
I did fucking Fantastic. (http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/1/12/Wind_ability_focusfire_04.mp3)
You got 2/3 of the scum lynched. Fantastic is getting 3/3 of the scum lynched. Maybe you can't see this because your ginormous ego is blocking your field of vision, but you don't win the game by correctly identifying all of the anti-towns. You win the game by killing all of the anti-towns.
What you did on Day 5 was either knowingly throw the game because you wanted it to end (if you actually did think what you claim about Validon) or make a mistake in judgment that literally invalidated your play up to that point in the game and are now blaming your mistake on the easy target because your ego can't handle the fact that you lost (if you didn't think what you claim about Validon). Either way, you should probably never play on this site again, because attitudes like yours are the cancer that kills this game.
I knowingly "threw" the game.then you've broken "play to win" and have already lost all credibility so i don't know what you're trying to argue
Also gonna link this game (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13138.0.html) just as an example of why one shouldn't just give up in the face of someone that doesn't look like they'll change their mind.
I at least gave a damn effort as the game went on
BTW, do I really come off as prideful?
towntell imo, scumbuddies would know how to spell eachother's names from reading them in the quicktopic
conq sucks and need to pick better loli mage hosts :/mages suck, sordmasters all the way
I cleaned the floor with leftover LIQUID NITROGEN.i did this once too; was fun
Raitiki I'll try to defend you as much as possible this game so play your best!
Ew what