Is anyone that stupid?
No wait, don't answer that 
I've seen people roleclaim Scum at L-1 on D1 when they were Scum. Some people really are not the sharpest tools in the shed, if you know what I mean.
I think UD's flirting with UK. At the very least he's definitely provoking her.
Bingo. There are two options for this:
A) UD is being daft and UK is merely being reactionary. There's no reason why someone's arguments couldn't get that heated due to pure emotion, in fact it makes
more sense for such a senseless argument to elevate so rapidly and to such levels purely due to emotion than due to some kind of magical Scum gambit, and Hanlon's Razor states that it is overwhelmingly likely that UD is just also being a reactionary idiot. However, his backpedalling does make it seem that if this is a Scum Gambit, it wasn't planned from the start.
B) UD and UK are both Scumbuddies, and UK planned for this to escalate, perhaps only after it escalated part of the way naturally on its own, to disguise it as a Townie vs. Townie spat on D1. This is, quite frankly, kind of silly, as D1 favours those who shut up and post occasional, meaningful posts (sometimes even virtually no posts at all, except for a fakeclaim~), unless it was a response to someone getting their foot in their mouth. Which is why I thought that A was far more likely than B until I just saw the UK backpedal.
I still think A is far more likely than B, but I do have to wonder why UK unvoted UD.
L-2 is not exactly a hazardous state on D1, no Scum is going to quickhammer a Townie this early in the day unless they're desperate, and considering as there is no competing wagon, the possibility of a Scum Quickhammer is so small that we may treat it as being completely negligible. So, UK, why the unvote if UD was just someone whose alignment you don't know, who you thought was likely Scum? I mean I don't like how quickly his wagon developed either with virtually no opposition, but at the same time, he's really not in any immediate danger.
Zakeri's Scum status is purely independent of UD's, his defence of UD is a null tell with potentially a slight Town leaning. No Scum is going to Chensaw-defend another Scumbuddy who is playing
this terribly unless they're an extremely overpowered power role like framer, in which case I'd expect that UD would have gotten instructions from his Scumbuddies to act low-key and not put his foot in his mouth at every possible occasion, and there is
zero reason for Scum to defend a Townie (it is not a "clever gambit", it is just stupid. It doesn't buy you all that many Townie Points, especially as a D1 defence of a Townie is equally as indicative of a Townie defending another Townie on the pretense of them being new and accidentally making dumb statements without considering how this might affect them downstream, as it is of Scum using hidden knowledge to their advantage, and it draws unnecessary attention to themselves as people will now focus on the person defending the idiot Townie in later days to better attempt to ascertain which of these two possibilities it is), therefore it is most likely that this is a Townie defending a Townie who just made mistakes, or a Townie inadvertently defending an idiot Scum. The fact that I do not find anything else that Zakeri has stated objectionable means that I'm pretty sure he's Town, for now. However, one thing I want to know: why is UD the
most Pro-Town player in this game currently? I can understand claiming him to be Town, but "most Pro-Town player"? I can't really see any reason why you'd claim this as Scum OR Town.
Pesco is playing fluffypillowfactorypoaster again while not explicitly taking sides or actually offering any opinions on the UD/UK argument. Your vote on Chaore is fine, but what about your opinions on everyone else? Especially the vote train that just cropped up that basically was a series of "Vote UD" (with an occasional "Vote UK" instead for flavour) in rapid succession, usually with minimal reasoning (granted, you don't need *much* to justify a UD vote at this point, which is precisely why he's an ideal D1 lynch target for Scum)
Chaore: I hate your posts, seriously. Reply #43 makes me want to electrocute you, as the only reason I don't think it makes you
completely obvscum is that it's so Scummy that I have a hard time believing an actual Scum would be stupid enough to post that. Then again, see above regarding stupidity. That's not the only thing I have issues with, too: in #85 I'm still not sure what you precisely mean, because your grammar is quite terrible, but assuming I read it correctly, you are claiming that UK cannot be Scum because the risk of getting turbo-lynched D1 is greater than the benefit gained by lynching a Townie D1 instead via the same strategy. This is nonsense, as her strat is not exactly an extremely high-risk one (it does carry some risk, and is also pretty goddamn dumb, but there's enough of a probability that it's just her being an argumentative Townie (cf. the first game that Unesco was in, which turned into a giant Unesco/Kilga argument, which resulted in a Unesco lynch, who then flipped as Vanilla Townie) that she can casually try it on D1 without being too worried, especially when the target is this much of a shitposter like Page2-5 UD), not to mention that UK's meta (
***WARNING ALICE USED META ZERG HIS ASS UP NOW*** etc) is that she has a tendency of getting into pointless arguments in mafia games BOTH when she was Scum AND when she was Town. In short, this is basically faulty reasoning. In #113, are you seriously thinking that UD pulled some form of a complex gambit out of his ass? Seriously? Finally, I'm not impressed with his #148, though it is better than any of his other posts.
My second choice for Scum, at the moment.
Arashi: Really? Your "seriousvote" carries about as much weight as a jokevote, given how it's essentially a pure bandwagoning. You essentially go "yeah yeah UD is horrible I know it's a bandwagoning but sure I'll vote him". Yes, UD is horrible, but there was both enough attention on him and enough time left in the day that a jump-on-the-bandwagon vote really was *not* needed at this time. I thought you knew better than that, sister~
Sodium Picolinate: You can do better. Try again. Your posts so far are worthless. Reporter-style format, and the only person who gets more than a line is Zakeri, and your attack on him is rooted in
extremely faulty logic.
NEETz: Pesco looks alright?
Really? The rest of your post is pretty much purely reporter-style posting followed by "well why not let's off UD it's clear he's scum go go go!!!"
Kanako: Oh come the fuck on, I thought NaBrO_3 looked horrible at first, but then I got to your post and I actually facepalmed. Sodium Acetate looks fine to you?
Really? From his one single post wherein he said barely anything and voted someone based off of faulty logic? I dislike how you give UD the Newbie card and then vote UK for reasons that deserve a full UD vote as well, not to mention that "should have" stopped the argument does not mean that UK will, as we've seen in the past (
***WARNING ALICE USED META AGAIN, FLARE HIS OBSERVERS USING MEDICS AND THEN AMBUSH HIS CARRIERS WHILE HE CAN'T SEE***), not to mention that
outright admitting that your vote was solely done to get a vote out there is just making me facepalm again due to the sheer amount of stupid. Really, again, the only thing saving you is the Too Scummy To Be Scum effect, but I really want to see another
proper post from you, preferably soon.
Carthrat: Satisfied with him for now. Before someone goes "OMG ALICE IS BEING INCONSISTENT", unlike the above, he did not spend most of his post on a reporter-style play-by-play, and also he actually brings up actual points. Definetly someone to watch on later days, but he has a history of being quiet on D1. Also will probably hate me for the length of this post.
In other words, in case you haven't noticed, my issue is not people being quiet on D1, but rather people giving worthless PBPAs and then voting UD for reasons that scarcely elaborate beyond "lol bandwagon hop".
Granted, Edible's posts so far have been next-to-nonexistent, and I
really want to see his opinion on someone else who is not named "UsuallyDead". Moreover, his post comes at a time when hopping on a bandwagon is fairly easy, not too worrisome, and around the right location in the vote order to be the swingvote, which doesn't do much to endear me further. Edible, who ELSE do you think might be Scum?
Really, all of Arashi, Edible, NEETz, Sodium Malate and Kanako worry me quite a bit right now. Personally, gut coincides highest for some reason with NEETz and Arashi, and NEETz is posting similarly to how he posted back in GWU Mafia when we were scumbuddies, so Ninja Edit: Chaore just got upgraded massively in my scumladder due to the nonsense posting and flailing due to some simple questioning, combined with the massive logicfail above. This is liable to move to any of the above four depending on further posts.
UD is essentially a flaming idiot and if there is a vig, I want him to vig UD now. Why? Because he's very polarizing, almost everyone here has an opinion on UD, most also have one on UK, and due to the lack of poasting, very few people have an opinion on anyone else (speaking of which, how is everyone letting Pesco slip under the radar? What the heck, guize?). On top of that, he's being scarcely more than useless and is acting in a Light Yagamiesque manner when he really has absolutely no reason to (protip: it's only Just As Planned if UK is
indeed scum, unless you are Scum yourself you literally have no idea how to know her alignment this early in the day, and your reasons for voting her are basically absolute trash).
Ninja Kitten4u: While I agree with you that this isn't something that someone normally would not say if they thought UD was scum, why do
you think that?
Hm. Chaore's UD vote is middle-late on the wagon, and
does feel forced, his previous vote was largely an OMGUS on Pesco, I've noted several issues with his posts,
and he's flailing right now. Want to see some more responses of his before I move my vote but I very much think he's Scum now.
Ninja by Chaore: so, is Zak's Group Action transitive? semi-transitive? n-transitive? regular? semiregular? free? locally free? Bad math jokes aside, where has
UD buddied up to
Zak? Because I'm not seeing it. Moreover, where has Zak done rapid-fire vote switching? I see him switching his vote
once - quite notably, onto
you. What alibi? When did alibis come into play here?
Who are you even talking about in your post#174? Zakeri, or UD?
Second ninja by Chaore: Were you born retarded, or did you have to get a degree? A) When did Edible come into play here? B)
If you were reading the game, you'd notice that Edible made all of three posts so far, one RVS post and two that only referenced UD and were short 2-3 liners. Nothing about Zak. You bringing him up makes no fucking sense at all right now and only serves to make me more uneasy about
Edible, who has been doing a nice job flying under everyone's radars so far. The second half of your post I have to wonder, to quote Diabeetus from
The Even More Most Shameful Thing In The Universe, I have to wonder if it was in English or in hieroglyphics.
Screw this.
##Vote: ChaoreMore ninjas (what is this, a John Woo film?): UD, quite trying to appeal to newbieness, it's not endearing you to me at all. Chaore,
where has UD been "cooperating" with Zak?
