Sorry for disappearing last night, sleepytime came basically out of nowhere and much earlier than anticipated.
I'm pretty firmly in the Dormio/Polaris camp in regards to Serela, to the surprise of no one, I'm sure. Two things I want to highlight in particular:
Especially his big post here.
Like, a complete drop of Darkninjaabc suspicion because he's getting a bunch of flak for it.
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Basically, Serela is taking a wait-and-see approach where he's just waiting for someone to make some mistake that he can jump on.
The DNA vote isn't the first time Serela got a bunch of flak for a crappy vote and dropped it as a result. Casting vote
s based on case
s that are so easily dismantled that they backfire on you is a pretty clear indicator that you're not really trying with your cases. The "wait-and-see" approach ties neatly into this lack of effort as well.
I never said your case is invalidated, I just said it was bad, i.e. scummy.
Even if your points on Dormio are completely valid, the way you handled it is all sorts of scummy. It looks like you decided to pick on Dormio first and add a case as an afterthought. It's even worse when you look at the unvote from earlier, because that really just makes you think "Serela really doesn't care about scumhunting, does he?"
This sums up perfectly what I think of Serela's Dormio vote. Well, thius and laughing at the accusation that Dormio is tunneling. If you keep doing scummy things and someone keeps calling you on them, that's not them tunneling, that's you being scummy. In this cases, probably because you're scum.
Onto other stuff. Shadowy and SB have both dropped a fair amount in my eyes overnight. whyyyyyyyyy ;_;
Shadowy's vote is on someone only one or two other people have even glanced at and she isn't pushing the case at all. Vote, meet park! There is also this:
It is kinda scummy though how SB is clinging to the DNA vote when everyone else clearly fled the wagon and won't return. >:T
This is a gross misrepresentation of what happened because SB cast his vote for DNA before people started arguing against the DNA train and two other people dropped their cases, and he hadn't posted again by the time you said this. Where is the clinging in the face of adversity? He plain wasn't here to do anything about it. I feel like you're going to point at
#277 and go "look there it is" but that came after your assessment of his behavior so it can't have possibly been factored in.
But then there is this!
Asking other people to contribute more isn't bad per say, but the fact that he was ignoring Serela who was more guilty of it than anyone else I could think of at that point was bad.
This validates PX's main argument against your Validon vote, I think. Trying to redirect the negative attention when you don't think the original negative attention "isn't bad per se" is Not A Good Thing. The thing is also that the original form of the negative attention
is a bad thing, a little bit because it's hypocritical for one to call for contribution from other players when one hasn't been contributing themselves, but mostly because calls for contribution from players during ED1 is no more than town-cause cheerleading and empty noise. It's very "look at me I'm helping!!!" without actually being helpful. So no, I think you got this response completely backwards and that sort of response under pressure makes me suddenly worry about you. That and your total lack of doing anything other than respond to PX's case against you (like address the radically different circumstances of the DNA wagon compared to what they were like when you cast your vote).
Speaking of, DNA, for whatever it is worth now, I'll address Validon's #235. It is true that scum
can be efforted as well, but it is a combination of the effort and faith that makes me think DNA is town. DNA got strung up by a series of votes pretty fast, but instead of being cowed into reconsidering where he was coming from or simply lying low for a while, he kept trying to assert himself and his stances. I think scum are far more likely to do one of the first two in the face of that kind of pressure while town is far more likely to do the last.
I realize how wide-spread this is, but I could get behind any of Serela, Validon, Shadowy, or SB as lynch candidates, in roughly that order. (Card subject to change.) DNA and Dormio trains I will actively vote against. CF7 feels like a boring D1 lurker lynch and a potential train there is getting most of its support from people I don't trust which shies me away from it as well.
