Welcome, Dormio, to Rewrite Mafia!(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/inoue.jpg)
You are Inoue, Nosy Reporter(Vanilla Townie).
As the head of the newspaper club, you simply love to stick your head into matters that don't involve you.
As of late, you've been investigating the existence of two secret organizations, both of which seem to be searching for something.
Many people have told you that curiosity killed the cat but, surely, nothing will happen to you...
Despite all the information you process, or perhaps because you spend all your time doing nothing but collecting and processing information, your actual abilities are limited to being able to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Claiming PGO.Would like you to confirm this as serious since you're HW
Eh, whoever is Kotarou can deal with it themselvesscum post imo
Schezo:Huh? Do you mean the vote thing? Day hadn't technically started yet, so
##Vote: BigBangMeteorsame I mean what?
Your own fault.
HW stop jumping to conclusions oh my god D: I am so innocent right here!
Here let me show you
##unvote
Well it helps at least D;
This can be confirmed day 2 start if nothing else. >_>;
I'm just assuming scum has a voteblocker who for some reason gets to start on a personal n0.
##Vote: BigBangMeteor
Your own fault.
same I mean what?As in What is his own fault?
huhwhat, got anything compelling for Serela-scum?All his posts are really self-conscious.
As in What is his own fault?
Kay, is Serela scummy?
Serela, it's okay if I leave my vote in your care, for safe-keeping, right? Until further notice.(http://puu.sh/2WnV6)
test, uh, just to be, double sure, you knowThis is a test?
##Vote HuhWhat
This is a test?
Assuming it's not Serela (the "test" speaks for this) it's some stealth endeavor, which I think suggests scum?
Anyway "why would town block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control?", which is why I made the earlier statement. Though I think it's marginally scum-motivated still since it's still nullifying a vote that town can use.
Cut: Geh? You think Shadoweh having that role meshes with her reaction? Like it could be fake but... eh. Or she didn't know about it, since there's the mention of bastard in the rules.
Rai, do something with your vote. You're not a preschooler.
BT, I'm allowed at least one RVS vote before I actually do something useful. Timezones man :/ [Also what kind of RVS lasts only 4 or 5 hours?]
Anyway I won't actually sort out a proper vote at this instant because I have an exam in an hour. I'm literally dropping by quickly.
Curious about the voteblock but don't have time to read into atm. Will do so after exam.
Vote isn't on Serela due to the voteblock itself right now re:Bard. Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.
BT has a lot of posts that look like they're doing stuff but aren't. Why are you still on Schezo?
I don't think anything about the Serela/Shadoweh voteblock thing. Why would scum block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control.
Don't get Schezo cause of this.
##Vote: Schezo
Yeah.
Also, if whoever Kotarou is could character claim, that'd be useful for the other half of my role.
Shadoweh, you're voteblocked. Look at the amount of votes in play.
Pretty sure Serela blocks the vote of his vote target; unless a day voteblocker is just really trigger-happy.
Hmm.
Serela, it's okay if I leave my vote in your care, for safe-keeping, right? Until further notice.
Votecount
Serela(2): huh what, Schezo
BT(1): BigBangMeteor
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
huh what(1): Serela
Schezo(1): BT
Not voting (5): NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~69.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
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##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.
Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.
Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.
Cut: I'm still on Schezo because none of the somehow-serious votes at this stage have caught my eye and I'm not seeing anything myself yet, simple. I could put my vote ~*~somewhere else~*~ if I wasn't an indecisive hag, plus it isn't completely to waste if Affinity wants something out of Schezzy.
I don't think anything about the Serela/Shadoweh voteblock thing. Why would scum block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control.
Don't get Schezo cause of this.
##Vote: Schezo
Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.
Shadoweh, what do you mean "I kind of agree with huh what", are you saying it's not part of your role?I said I was agreeing that Serela was overreacting, it doesn't have anything to do with whatever's wrong with my vote. I have no idea what's causing it. At least it killed RVS fast, but I don't think there's much to do about it. Or discuss, really.
If huh what could explain to me what he thought made Schezo scum from 'idc'..
Actually rereading the thread, I mixed people up. Schezo doesn't even say anything about voteblocking being scummy, as far as I can see, so this vote makes even less sense than it did earlier.I think Affinity's trying to say that, since there is something to gain from the voteblock convo, Schezo gets a vote for wanting to move on. (I'm iffy about this but fine with Affinity himself)
Prims's Schezo vote is ??? because he says he agrees with BT that he's scummy, except BT never actually said that he found Schezo scummy, just that nothing stands out at all, so he might as well keep his vote where it is.
BBM also has a point since Schezo was agreeing with what Affinity said. That is scummy because? (besides because Affinity thinks like scum)Translation pls.
Raikaria, you do realize huh what is clearly voting for Serela in that votecount you posted?
By the way huhwhat's silent switch to Schezo is pretty null here.
Translation pls.Schezo said it was irrelevant.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.
Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.
Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.
I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.Despite what I just determined? I mean, sure, it could just be Bad Rambling but we're not going to find out by pointing and laughing at it. Unless you want to tell me who my vote should be on?
The Cream of the Croagunk Crop (don't sue me) is that he mentions he thinks huhwhat was spot on with his assumption that Serela is a voteblocker
There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.
/me reads the four pages that cropped up while he was sleeping.No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.
...I'M SO CONFUSED!!! Do we even have any idea what roles exist, or is it purely blind, because at this point everyone's talking about vote blocking and stuff and I've lost track of what's going on. ???
Unless you want to tell me who my vote should be on?Like, we all love Serela, but reasoning where?
VotecountDormio is Schezo's amazing 3 vote beatdown a typo?
huh what(3): Serela, Bardiche, Raikaria
Schezo(3): Affinity, huh what
Serela(1): Schezo
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~65.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.
Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.
Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.
Dormio is Schezo's amazing 3 vote beatdown a typo?It was, and has since been rectified.
Most recent post is good as a voice of reason I guess.
No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.
BT: I think it's patent pending. I'm not pointing and laughing at it, other then the actual error.
Raikaria, you're being a little too defensive. I don't think your comments on BT make you look any better. However, if you were just voting huh what for information (which you say later in that post is untrue..) and you think BT is actually attacking you, you should vote BT instead. The best information is voting scummy people for being scum.
##Dropkick from Hell: Serela <--- I WILL FORM THE WILL OF HATRED AND SOMEDAY IT WILL KILL YOU SERELA
Validon: Are you from Epic Mafia? There's alot more talking in our mafias, and alot less roll play. You need to vote though, because we are down one person! If you don't want to use it yourself, then be my Divine Hand of Serela Smiting. Look at his face, it must be lynched. BELIEVE IN ME MY SON.
Shadoweh - Getting a lot of null vibes. Typical Shadowmeh. Seems to pop up and say a little something then pop way again moments later. Most recent post is good as a voice of reason I guess.I'm insulted considering I've probably already posted more then I did as my beautiful charming beautiful amazing self. Also because I'm literally having a running conversation with BT right now so I'm notably not just popping in and leaving? And I personally think my answer was MAXIMUM.
Schezo - Null. Post moar. I don't get what makes people think he's scumz.Being Schezo
BigBangMeteor - Probobly town. Wait... *eyes narrow* is this the dude who was playing Pride last game?I'm pretty sure you knew the answer to this!
Validon98 - Just showed up. Null.Do you think he could be scum faking not knowing how to post?
To answer the question, yes (although I've only played one game and I'm currently also part of another), and to answer your request, no, I'm not blindly voting Serela without getting a grasp of the situation. Oh, and I'm going to have to go to school about now, so I'm not going to be able to follow the conversation for a couple more hours because school filters.:<
In addition, your behavior is not seeming any better to me. I pointed out what I disliked before, but maybe not clearly. You were doing a lot of ~posting~ but nothing useful, and sitting on a parked vote... while having a go at me for my joke vote when I was in a rush [Although admittedly I had not explained as such, but you kept going on about it even after I explained]
Now you're at least attempting to seem useful... but voting based on bad logic and misrepping what I said.
I'm insulted considering I've probably already posted more then I did as my beautiful charming beautiful amazing self. Also because I'm literally having a running conversation with BT right now so I'm notably not just popping in and leaving? And I personally think my answer was MAXIMUM.
I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.
Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.
##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.
Like, for example, this seems like excessivesimplificationmisrepresentation.
Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.
My beef is with the presentation that "there must be a voteblocker" and "it must be Serela" as a means to push hard a wagon on someone. My reasoning is not founded in protecting someone but that the logic used to attack is faulty and founded from nonsense and speculation.This pretty adequately explains why I reacted how I did. It's like the old communi-I mean witch hunts.
Oh hey, after HW's cut I could even vote him and officially turn this into a sudden Affinity flashwagon out of fucking nowhere.Why couldn't you have voted him before this?
Raikaria: My post was set up in a way that you could easily find the relevant Serela posts yourself. Stop being lazy just because it gives you a bullshit case on somebody.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.
Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.
Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.
Bard can I be your new Shadoweh?
The point was that you should be reading Serela's posts yourself, but what I was getting at is that he thought the voteblock resolved n0 when that obviously wasn't the case, only to correct himself afterwards.
Kay, why does Bard's defense have scum intent in context?
You understand I always consider Shadoweh to be a hinder to town and scum even when she flips green, yes?...nevermind
...nevermind
Although I think some people feel that way about me already! <_< >_>
I can be helpful BEFORE lylo comes around, some! D:
Because that's a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts imo.
And jumping on a building wagon as a random unvote is bad and something you shouldn't do. That was the 3rd vote on the Schezo wagon, and we only need 6 to lynch this game.Who gives a fuck if they get 3/6 votes in RVS? no one would instahammer less than 24 hours in the day. Stop being melodramatic.
Also I think the fact that all the recent votes are on someone with like two sentences to their name, voting someone who had only like one sentence, from the very very beginning of the game, says something about where we are right now.
Scum aren't generally active talkers d1 anyway so it's not like this is bad, but.
Further I note Raikaria doesn't seem to be voting Affinity as someone who's scum but just as someone who's popular? Care to clarify?
Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.
I dislike Kay's vote on BardI'm going to assume Kay is SilentShaman. Yes?
Let's get the real maflord.
BT, I'm not sure I follow you. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975935.html#msg975935) you say Raikaria is scummy for... blindly mentioning everything you do is scum. The acronym we use here is 'OMGUS'. Why would scum declare everything you do scummy? This is not a logical venture. I do like your follow-up, but I'd like to know why you think it's scummy of Raikaria to think you're scum.I was accusing him then of painting the easy-to-point-out "weird stuff" as scummy. He also added the rest of my actions to the bin ("he voted Schezo and did some other things etcetera") which supported my idea that he didn't give a second thought as to what he was saying. To make things simple, it's just the thing I'd have expected from scum to exploit.
IMO Raikaria is town, but this is an ED1 read so.Due to how your post is structured I have no idea where this comes from. Please share your wisdom with me. (or at least just the posts)
Blegh, head is swimming. Read through the topic, but as is typical, I'm not good at this game until I've either reread a few times or gotten interactions myself.Boy or girl?
I've liked Shadoweh's reactions the least so far, and so full of typical shadoweh overhype,
##Vote: Shadoweh. At least I can avoid getting Shadoweh's gender wrong for at least one post
I dislike Kay's vote on Bard because in her previous posts, she sort of just analyzes unrelated things and then tacks a vote for Bard at the end despite not having said anything about him before, IIRC. Plus, I don't really think that Bard's defence was as extreme as she makes it out to be. She's also said a lot more stuff about Raikaria- what makes Bard worse than that?Why is Affinity a better vote than both of these people?
Speaking about Raikaria, I don't really see the point of his mini-listpost, as it mainly just has some weak scumreads and a bunch of null/townreads. His vote on Affinity is also not very good because the main reason for it is a vote for an inactive disguised as "using MotK mafia meta". What makes it worse is that we're less than 18 hours into the game, so he can't even be really classified as a lurker yet.
Waaaait a second!I don't think Raikaria or Serela would have thought to fake townslips about not knowing how the voteblock seems to work (note that I wasn't actually blocked at the time). I'm certain the block comes from scum at this point too; if a townie fired off a block at Shadoweh that early then their literally a idiot irl.
There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.
NNR is town btw, as scum he'd have bullshitted up some reads because it's easier than actual scumhunting in this gamestate and he's too prideful to make a post that bad as mafia.
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##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.
Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.
I'd prefer you just straight-up answered requests instead of trying to be cute.
actually, yeah, I am going to need to drop out until I can get a hang of this schedule. When I can get online, I tend to be half asleep.HELLO FUTURE ZAKERI :D
Waffling on Prims- I still think he's trying too hard and jumping around a lot, but I think it's more town-motivated because IIRC he was down a few days ago about how his recent games haven't been that good. He might be trying to overcompensate? He's also had some good points I think, so townish for now.What does posting this paragraph accomplish at all?
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.It's probably still 3 mafia. I agree about Raikaria's reaction seeming genuine. I think it's kind of weird actually for you to throw out this opinion since voteblocks on MOTK have never been allowed to be used in LYLO so they don't really affect the layout.
Main issues: On SilentShaman, I'm not too keen on the reasons for voting him. Yes, his Bardiche vote was rather hasty and provocative compared to his other alternatives, but as scum he could have easily selected those other people instead. Whether these suspicions amount to anything remains to be seen, but yeah. People like Schezo need to give something a bit more I think.I don't think anyone has issues with it being a provocative vote, more that SS voted someone they had less reasoning to vote, for a reason that doesn't quite jibe with what was happening. Also, if you think Schezo needs to give something a bit more, why stop attacking him? I mean, you even have this to say about him:
While his initial callout against me is good enough, I'm disheartened by his reaction to my defence. Schezo voted Serela for the disappearing vote semi-RVSly. He then seems to acknowledge that the voteblock has no bearing on his alignment. So where did the reasoning in his vote go? A votepark is not a time-based thing, it's based on a disappearance of current reasons to vote someone. Also, saying that you would have accepted if I admitted my reasoning is flimsy is odd; problems don't go away like that.Admittedly I wouldn't want to try and push a case on the logic that reasoning for a semi-RVS vote disappeared either. But it sounds like you don't like his current vote either, especially since you disagree that SS is scummy.
Lastly, there's Shadoweh and Validon, who are probably going to be wildcards today anyway.also what does this even mean? :V I can't be a wildcard, I have no vote to go crazy with!
Is asked by BT to give reads.
Everyone else moans about it. I find it amusing that people are complaining about me fulfilling someone's request. [And I get the feeling of Deja Vu too, people vote me, ask me to explain/do something, and then others jump on me for doing it]
Shaman, response to Bard's reaction?
What does posting this paragraph accomplish at all?
nnr is dum
It's not bad, but... well, maybe that was the reason he did it, maybe not.Do you still have the same issue with him now? People are going to want an updated opinion out of you, along with whether you still think he's worse then Raikaria considering you keep bagging on him. What you think of Affinity is important too right now.
Also, my issue with Bardiche wasn't that he complained about the Serela wagon, It was how much of his content was just about that. Possible scum intent being either to look good for defending a mislynched townie, or to try to save a scumbuddy.
I assume it is because he was suspicious of you before, and he's explaining his change of opinion so that people don't bug him later about what happened to his scumread on Huhwhat.Wasn't this quote about him having a scumread on huh what though?
Raikaria is being too verbose and spread-out for me to like him despite his thought processes and votes showing through. I'm not even sure if I get his change from huhwhat to me, on the basis that 'now at least I know that your vote on Schezo was random', whatever that means, given that he voted huhwhat for the voteswitch in the first place. Could Rai explain this? But verbosity is usually a town-tell perhaps. His italics are really bleh.
I'm trying to think of a reason I dislike Affinity's L-1 reply beyond 'feels fake'. He does tend to sound depressed if he's suspected, I just don't see it as genuine.
Possible scum intent being either to look good for defending a mislynched townie, or to try to save a scumbuddy.
Affinity pleasures me.
Serela, why do you have a scum role?Something so blantantly charged, based on information nobody had (and still doesn't exist), and attempts to put ideas about how roles work into the town's minds to potentially mislead them.
Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.This wouldn't actually be a bad thing compared to how it is now.
Context~
PLEASES. I MEANT PLEASES. AAAAHCute.
The problem is I don't know who is scum and the conversation isn't really giving me any clues. At this point, it's probably better just to jump on the bandwagon, not ask questions, and pray we didn't hit a townie, because you guys seem to be metagaming a bit and I'm unfamilar with everyone, so guess who has the least clue about everyone?But there's none of your opinion here. We're like a rl day later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity
I personally did not want to jump on it at first because I felt it would just seem like I was jumping on without adding much. At this point, I don't even know if I should be on it anymore. I should really just go through and reread everything in the thread, but I honestly don't want to. Of course, by not rereading it, I won't understand everyone's reasons for who they are voting for (they all mention certain posts about how they act, but that doesn't clarify a whole lot for me because I don't remember every post).
I'm not trying to be hostile either, I just wanted a little bit of clarification. I have absolutely no idea what's going on right now, so I'm not really being hostile towards anyone. I'd probably be able to better contribute if I actually understood what the hell was going on.
Also, LYLO?
Sticking to this absurd Early Day 1 case with no further involvement in the game and blatantly ignoring the recent proceedings has all the makings of scum trying to park their vote somewhere and lurk actively throughout the day.
I said I played one game, and that was never used.
yo Bard, how are you reading BBM?
Then please say you are a newbie to this, because you're pretty much a newbie at one game.
Well, I've played one game of Mafia before, just on another forum. And even though I'm signed up for another game on there, I'm willing to play two games at once. ^^;
Zak's case would have been good for post-RVS but not for this stage and there's no sign of him looking at the rest of the happenings / huhwhat's other posts. Entrance Bad.It's basically the case I wanted to push but couldn't because I wasn't in the game yet. The other stuff that happened since then doesn't seem as important to me.
How do I read thread?There's a lot of corners you can cut if you know how to do so. If you're looking to refer to a single person, you can just read only that person's posts. If you're looking for vote changes, just bounce between votecounts and search between where the change happens. Reasons are also usually in the vote post or surrounding the post, and if you can't find the reasons in those posts, you can ask them to reexplain their case. People will also link directly to the post most of the time to make it easier to read.
I made the post blatantly charged on purpose in hopes of a more telling reaction. The theorized role could've belonged to town or scum imo.The thing is that you seem more interested in targeting roles. You also seemingly pushed a case based on a ton of logical leaps that don't follow in order to trip up Serela. It feels pretty jarring to put the blame of something that was clearly a separate action onto something that happened in the thread.
Still would like Kotarou to nameclaim, btw.Also, super wary of this.
Thread reading advice.
IHNN/Kay double wagons imho.This is bad. Person with no content to their name and new player (decision on if their play is scummy or not to come when I have time to catch up) gets nowhere fast and looks like trying to push "easy" lynches. Just an initial feeling, we'll see if it lines up with the rest of his play thus far.
also Kay isn't really a new player, she's been playing mafia (though probably at a lower level) on another site for at least a year
huhwhat, Shadoweh, since I (now) officially have no time for this, can you help me figure this out? Rai's response to the voteblock doesn't scream -town- to me if it's not a scum utility and so far he's been mediocre. (huhwhat is also a townread - originated from that post that asked me to reconsider Rai)I thought his response was townie enough. I think it's more likely for a townie to try and figure out a role, because they're lacking in information, then for scum to do more then flail their arms and go WHAT'S GOING OOOOOON AAAA \O/
Validon:You being new is okay, but please stop going "Oh my god I'm new stop being mad at me!" every time someone posts :c Half of Page 8 of the game consists of this. Okay, if I was being literal, maybe one-third, but still. It's okay though, we forgive you :DI was already going to, geez. And, I don't want to hear anything like:
Awh Validon is growing up.=_=
Shadowmeh, thoughts on the Kay wagon right now? not like you can vote her but lolI don't know her well enough to tell if it's good or not. 3/4 of those people you asked about are on her wagon, so I'm sure that can't be a coincidence. I think BBM sounds different then he did as Pride. I think you're
also what do you think of the less suspected players, like me, bard, bbm and hell, even zak. your thoughts seem kinda unmemorable this game, maybe it's because you have no vote.
I still like my vote being on Kay. She rests her vote on Bard and responds to questioning about it, but she doesn't really consider any further content of Bard's or attempt to push her case. It makes the vote look like it's just there so that we think she's Doing Stuff. Bard's recent post put it pretty nicely.
@Zak: I made the post blatantly charged on purpose in hopes of a more telling reaction. The theorized role could've belonged to town or scum imo.
@BT: Don't know what to tell you, aside from the voteblock reaction Raikaria generally gives me townvibes. Rather than worry about whether Shadoweh has some bastard restriction I'd rather just hear her state her take on the reactions to the voteblock.
Would probably vig Validon due to how much he's playing up excuses / confusion.
It was something about the whole Serela thing that should not matter at this point. The whole voteblocking debacle is over.
I don't know her well enough to tell if it's good or not. 3/4 of those people you asked about are on her wagon, so I'm sure that can't be a coincidence. I think BBM sounds different then he did as Pride.
Do you still have the same issue with him now? People are going to want an updated opinion out of you, along with whether you still think he's worse then Raikaria considering you keep bagging on him. What you think of Affinity is important too right now.
Wasn't this quote about him having a scumread on huh what though?
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976029.html#msg976029) is when you vote me. However, your previous post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19130) does not mention me, despite being a good 20 minutes after I had posted, and thus my posts should have been clearly visible. Between that post and you voting me, I had not posted at all. Your vote had been on BigBangMeteor until you moved it.
What changed between those two posts that suddenly made it scummy, and why was it not scummy for other people to talk a lot about the voteblock thing?
My troubles with this line are twofold. One, you're assuming Serela was in danger of being lynched. (He wasn't.) Two, you're proposing Serela and I are scumbuddies. On Day 1. Just out of RVS.
I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.What's this even supposed to mean? I can only read it in one way but I'd like Affinity to explain.
I'm not suggesting you're scumbuddies. I was suggesting you're either scumbuddies or you were defending a townie you thought would be mislynched for towncred.
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.
Why is Affinity a better vote than both of these people?
If NNR doesn't have a better post by the end of the (RL) day explaining what's wrong with Shadoweh's reactions then he's vigbait.
BT, what do you think about how Raikaria treats the theories about Serela being the voteblocker? It's the main reason I'm reading him as town. At the very least, he's not the voteblocker.
Validon: Schezo's "real maflord" line is rhetoric, not really related to intent. What do you think about the actual reasoning behind his case, and what do you think about the wagon on Affinity?
Also a bit weird he on one hand says he can agree to an SS vote, but then votes the one SS says she rather wants to lynch (and then she delves into a pointless Not Me Over Me thing when there's more than enough time to swing a wagon onto someone).I'm not sure this is true for people who aren't familiar with our deadline antics. However, look at how the votes are spread right now and you can see why SS would push for a wagon, ANY wagon besides them. I don't disagree with your vote since this isn't why you're staying on her though. I do think the wagon spread right now is.. unhealthy. I think SS should just vote Raikaria and make a better case on him if they think they can.
I also think that Shadoweh seems to be coasting on the fact that she's been voteblocked. Additionally, considering that voteblocking someone D1 doesn't really accomplish much at all, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia took a chance to give one of their buddies towncred by targeting them with such a scummy ability.It's really funny you accuse me of this because I had a conversation with Kilga about it after Pride's flip, about how scum sometimes suggest doing that but never go through with it due to pansiness. It makes me wish I had done it to myself for townie cred. I don't think as scum I would do something wonky again after how much that screwed my team last time. >_>
Scum can claim VT if they think a wagon on them will dissipate later, and when they do, it's usually a while before deadline (from my experience).Also, outing a counterclaim D1 isn't worth it in a 2-man scumteam, which I'm still 99% sure we have.Does it really seem like the wagon is about to dissipate though? There's literally no counterwagon. I guess this is awhile for our last minute standards. Does SS usually claim VT?
So you're suggesting we're scum buddies. OR that a Townie would get mislynched based on RVS shenanigans. I already highlighted both these possibilities and they are both ridiculous assumptions to make during early Day 1, because NO ONE gets lynched in RVS, Huh What's reasoning was ridiculous and making scumpairs on Day 1 is doubly ridiculous. This line of reasoning only stands if Serela was in actual danger of getting lynched.He doesn't have to be in danger of being lynched for you to defend him though, I think that's an unfair thing to say. She's just suggesting you were buddying up to Serela. (I think it's ridiculous because I would NEVER DEFEND SCUMBUDDY SERELA AGAIN but still.)
Think about it, then, instead of just using meta.Without using meta your posts come off as if trying to do too much and not having enough substance on one subject to dig into. We don't need your answer to every single thing, we just need to know what's important to you and why it's important, in preferably paragraph form. I can't tell whether you're scum or if it's just your writing style that comes off as disjointed.
@Raikaria: Why so jumpy? Why suddenly lash out at Shadoweh for, of all things, not answering a question instead of returning to your old suspicions. For all your words, you still seem like you are merely going in and out of the flow with the appropriate reasoning without true backing.
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more. Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.
We didn't go through with the self-silence in the last game because the Janitor and Roleclop were more important as far as gathering info went, and then on N3 and N4, doing it would have meant forgoing a NK. I'm also unfamiliar with your last time as scum so I don't know how that'd be likely to affect your thought process on something like that.Read all about it here! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.0.html) tl;dr Shadoweh+Serela+Zakeri scum, we poisoned someone to set up a vigilante claim for Serela, he got lynched Day 2 before the 'extra vigilante kill' could happen, which was on a doctored target in the first place and never would have happened. Also the actual vig shot me. :< Also see: Edible's signature (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19). I was also actually in a game where we had a voteblocker and considered using it on ourselves here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.0.html) (Anonygame so none of the names will match unfortunately). We chickened out. :V
To the best of my recollection, I can't ever remember Kay claiming VT as scum in a closed setup. I also can't remember her ever actually being a VT either (except in an all-vanilla game, which doesn't count), so idk what to say about that.So don't you think it's weird that if she's scum she plopped down a completely unexcited 'nilla claim? This game likely has at least one token VT or three.
..Rairai, I doubt Affinity was telling BBM to hammer SilentShaman. You're literally saying that it's scummy of Affinity to tell someone voting him to consider targets other then him. Of course he's going to want his voters to consider other people.
@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more. Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.
What's this even supposed to mean? I can only read it in one way but I'd like Affinity to explain.
Also a bit weird he on one hand says he can agree to an SS vote, but then votes the one SS says she rather wants to lynch (and then she delves into a pointless Not Me Over Me thing when there's more than enough time to swing a wagon onto someone). If you think he's scum you wouldn't vote with him, right?
In general I think Rai's jumps throughout the game are too haphazard and incoherent. Votes BT (reactionary) -> huhwhat (votepark on Schezo) -> Affinity (content not good) -> Shadoweh (never answered a question) -> Affinity ('bullying'). Let's just say I don't get the transitions from one vote to another (e.g why did he unvote me?), though he might have given his explanations. And his idea of me bullying people into hammering is really funny; seriously, who does that?
But by just pointing out various things that you find scummy without considering the full picture (as you do with Rai),
He says:>:T HE SAYS TO STOP FENCE-SITTING. THIS DOES NOT MEAN HAMMER THE OTHER WAGON IT MEANS GIVE DEFINITIVE OPINIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE. HE DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT VOTING, GOD. A wagon can be viable without having alot of votes on it, for example at least 3 people have expressed willingness to lynch YOU. Incidentally that counters your second point because you were a viable third option, and if I Were Affinity(tm) and I wanted a not-the-wagons wagon you'd be on my hit list. I just can't believe you're doing this. It's the worst confirmation bias I've ever seen. Say, what if SilentShaman is scum, would he be scummy for wanting someone else to hammer then?
At that point the only target more 'viable' than Affinity, who BBM was voting, was Shaman. Therefor the only vote more 'viable' than Affinity's was one that was a hammer. If that isn't saying 'Vote Shaman', I'm not sure what it's saying.
The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.Considering what Raikaria's supplemental reasoning for revoting Affinity is, do you seriously blame him for being suspicious of it? Because it's terrible. Even if you approach it from Raikaria being town as you seem to be, telling someone they're scummy for wanting people voting them to consider other people is backwards wrong.
I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.
@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more. Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.
@Raikaria: Why so jumpy? Why suddenly lash out at Shadoweh for, of all things, not answering a question instead of returning to your old suspicions. For all your words, you still seem like you are merely going in and out of the flow with the appropriate reasoning without true backing.
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
All his posts are really self-conscious.Serela was flailing because of ludicrous accusations. Looks like going for an easy lynch to me (I believe this was a srs vote right past RVS).
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.At the time, Schezo hadn?t replaced out or said he was going to replace out and had no real content. Was he scum for having 3 1 line posts due to other things? Am I scum due to being in his slot?
I don't know about anyone else, but that seems a bit off to me. You guys did say to go with a gut feeling, and this is what I got right now besides Affinity.
VotecountVoting alongside a scumread, bussing exists so it doesn?t mean it?s not a good vote but the fact that it wasn?t taken into account, at all, is a bit?odd to me. I?m not sure how else to describe it.
Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, Validon98
If someone does something that looks suspicious, it should be considered after whatever provoked it is over. If the intent of something seems scummy, that's not something that should be ignored or dismissed as being "over".Yes but sometimes in light of more recent information things that looked scummy don?t end up looking scummy, or townie looking things look scummy.
Devil's Avocado time~
1. There's lot of reasons why Affinity wouldn't hammer: The most prominent being that there's still time for discussion. What town reason would he have for hammering early?
2.1 Ignoring the fact that Affinity is one of two viable wagons, what are the sorts of reasons one would ask to "Make a define opinion on people."
2.2 What reason would Affinity have to ask for another to make a definite opinion on himself? Why does the fact that he's asking mean that he's hoping the person he's asking would preclude himself from the results?
3. Does hippocritcal behavior dictate that a person is always scum?
I'm not paying as much attention as I should right now, but I'd like to mention that if Affinity hammered SS, everyone would probably punch him in the fucking face tomorrow. Raikaria, stop arguing that that is weird.
You seem to be mistaking "Affinity not hammering" for "Affinity not thinking SS should be lynched over himself", which are absolutely nothing alike considering there is a helluva lotta time left in the day and there's not even a wagon on himself last I checked.
IHNN's "vote" on me is beyond awful. Out of three cases, the one he wants to pursue is based on RVS shit? Note that I already explained the Schezo vote later which means he's not reading the posts of his #1 suspect.That's not the only thing I found you scummy on. I don't have the time to go back through and point out everything I found scummy in your play and why at the moment, but when I return I can do that if you want.
Viable lynch =/= Person that has several votes on them
A viable lynch is anyone that several people think is scummy. Like Affinity. Or possibly yourself.
That request is perfectly normal, since at consolidation you need to be voting someone people might actually lynch, and just because Kay is the only person with a big wagon does NOT mean Kay is the only viable lynch. That'd be dumb, it's d1 and there is not only one person who people think is scummy enough to kill.
Trying to say "affinity is implying BBM should hammer" is like if I told you that you should get some candy for your blood sugar level, and there happened to be a baby with a lollipop in the room, and you start yelling at me for telling me to steal the baby's lollipop. It's just "wtf are you even talking about?" It's not what he said at all.
Except it is a reflection. 5 people thought Kay was bad enough to lynch. 6 people had expressed desire to lynch him. If that's not a 'viable' lynch in a town with 11 votes, 6/11, then I'm not sure what is.Yes, Kay is a viable lynch.
##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.All that was given for an argument was something about the two of them essentially being scumbuddies... which is unlikely. Not much else of a defense was given.
His recent posts have been a bit disappointing actually, and I don't see what that clumsy not me over me (without reasoning to convince ppl) should achieve if my vote would lynch him. I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.
Anyway, you guys know I'm suspicious of Raikaria and Affinity, and still have a slight scumread on Bardiche, you know my claim, and I don't have time to say much more this phase, so yeah. That's all I've got.
Uhh, in general my initial impression of SS was not correct as he posted more and more, and they fitted more into what people had originally suspected of him. Thus I'm okay with lynching him now.
Would last minute wagon Validon. Not even joking.
Do you have anything to say about that?
I didn't post reasoning because IIRC it's all been posted already, and I had nothing new to add. You're suspicious because your votes keep being off someplace weird where they won't be too controversial or useful, and don't match what you say that well.
Shadoweh is probably scum. Her only scumread the entire day was Affinity and she took it back. Other than that her posts are a lot of fluff and her townreads aren't particularly relevant to the game. As town she should've been putting more effort into looking at her null reads, such as Zak and Serela.
Too bad we probably can't get 5 more people to lynch her while she's AFK.
CUT: Have you voted, though? This does sort of tie into my point. If you're suspicious of Shadoweh, then why aren't you voting? Is Affinity that much more suspicious?
but yeah I'm ready for a hammer
Rai: Are you intentionally dumbing down the case on SS?
I asked someone to explain the case to me because I wasn't getting it.
The answer was 'The Bard vote'.
Would love to have multiple lynches so we can get this guy too.
Kay is scummy not only because of the Bard vote, but for never really explaining why Bard attacking the cases on Serela had scum intent, ignoring Bard's future posts and not really trying to push the case or look into other people either. Most of her other content has been one-liners that don't really inquire into anybody's alignment.
Hey, that's not all I said but the SS vote, damn it! I also said how Kay wasn't really making a good defense despite all of the accusations thrown at him. I did not just say "the Bard vote," so don't lie about it. >.>
Also the reason I don't think this is town!Shadoweh being unhelpful is because she doesn't seem to be putting effort into finding scum. Shadoweh likes to find townreads regardless of alignment, but this game she's skipping the part where she looks at the scum candidates she PoEs it down to.
One question I have for Affinity in case he pops up before deadline: why switch off BBM to Raikaria when you had all of one post on BBM? It seems like you were quick to give up pushing BBM and while I get why you suspect Raikaria, I can't tell why you think Raikaria is the worse of the two.I would like this answered before hammer if possible.
Raikaria if you're too lazy to read what's going on after multiple people stated what's bad about SS then you're really a detriment to town and I want to see you dead before LYLO.
I'm not too lazy to read what is going on.
I just do not, from my opinion, see Shaman as lynchworthy. Especially over Affinity. It is as much my job to convince people to vote Affinity as it is your job to convince me to vote Shadow.
I think a lot of this read has more to do with Shadoweh not having a vote than him being scum. He got super lackluster in Villians when it happened, but in the games where he is scum, he's at least willing to make a huge encompassing case on somebody day one.ugh yeah thinking about past scum!Shadoweh games this is probably a good point. I wouldn't totally write Shadoweh off as possible scum but it does make me feel better about her.
I mean the part where you don't read cases people make. If you'd read cases, you'd know it was more than "the Bard vote". This laziness is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.
Except I don't get the point of the cases, they're disjointed, and multiple points are made by multiple people which makes following the overall, overarching reasons difficult.
And the core of it is the Bard vote. Then his reactions to criticism afterwards, and general lack of play after that. The core reason is still the Bard vote.
Claiming VT right then would have made sense for scum!Kay if she had a post with lots of effort that made up for her Bard vote and was trying to impress people. Instead, she had a bunch of one-line responses and a Not Me Over Me on somebody who at the time probably wasn't too likely of a wagon. As scum, that's tantamount to giving up, since nobody cares if they lynch a VT claim.
Then again after that lyncher win celebration I'm really not sure that was an accident. <_<i wonder if motktown would have the balls to lynch me instead of letting me coast if i claimed harmless neutral wwwww
Why are people finding Affinity scummy, right now?end of D1 I don't see any arguments in the recent parts of the thread.Would still like this answered, if people still find him scummy.
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.His focus on roles is not beneficial to town on D1, or D2, or any day.
Well your case is going to fall apart when the person I've been voting all day flips scum so :colbert:.The person you were voting all day did not flip scum. Either way, my case has nothing to do with the alignment of the players you were voting but the way you went about doing so.
he had a bunch of reasons to find me suspicious but then only posted some jabs at my ed1, did nothing to convince people i was scum and then just took snipes at the main targets of the day which is Pretty Bad.Misrep, I mentioned your ED1 but also your end of D1, and you exaggerated focus on roles.
not reading the posts of his #1 suspect.Hypocritical a bit maybe?
id probably consider reading your posts if i was town and wanted to lynch mafia but i basically have this game in the bag and would rather coastNon-town post right here IMO. Why are we not lynching this in the...pixelated...duck...face...thing yet?
issue is more than as town he should've been focusing on making me a viable lynch target instead of just posting some outdated reasons to suspect me then saying "yeah these people everybody thinks are scummy are pretty scummy"Well when the entire game thus far is D1 and I went through the entire D1 to try to make a case, not sure how you can consider my reasons "outdated".
Not voting(7): Zakeri,Uh,
huh what if you want to be buddies you have to at least try to find the scumbags,i did and im voting one.
id probably consider reading your posts if i was town and wanted to lynch mafia but i basically have this game in the bag and would rather coast
meanwhile scum!IHNN has to re-read the thread and bullshit up a new case QUICK because the person he's voted is confirmed non-mafia
Not confirmed is not confirmed. It is not "obvious" that you were posting from a third-party perspective. In fact, as IHNN mentioned, you mentioned a bunch of different names in one or two line posts, even Shadoweh's and now from your posts you apparently want to be "buddies" with him. Hell, even Rai's back-and-forth had more justification than your mentioning of different suspects. You are REALLY not helping your case at all.WELL i'm sorry you think that and want to waste town's lynch on somebody who can remove themself from the game tonight.
WELL i'm sorry you think that and want to waste town's lynch on somebody who can remove themself from the game tonight.
if you're confused then you can work toward your wincon by unvoting me and voting ihnn instead. hope that helps
affinity might be scummier than ihnn actually. Hmmm
meanwhile scum!IHNN has to re-read the thread and bullshit up a new case QUICK because the person he's voted is confirmed non-mafiaThis post makes literally no sense. I was re-reading the thread to see if anyone else jumped out at me to look more in-depth at, and as Validon has pointed out you?re far from confirmed anything. Also as Validon has pointed out, your play has gotten continually worse. At this point I?m not likely to buy anything you claim because I think your play is that scummy.
anyway if town sheeps me on ihnn they will lynch a member of the mafia before i go :)You said this about SilentShaman too and look how that turned out.
This post makes literally no sense. I was re-reading the thread to see if anyone else jumped out at me to look more in-depth at, and as Validon has pointed out you?re far from confirmed anything. Also as Validon has pointed out, your play has gotten continually worse. At this point I?m not likely to buy anything you claim because I think your play is that scummy.this is what nnr said in defcon and look what he and i flipped in that game
##Vote IHNN
Bard if you lynch Shadoweh I won't be able to suicide.
In any case, I don't appreciate the act you've been putting on about how useless I am either, you've literally never said anything like that before and I suspect you're being a jerk for ulterior motives (maybe you're the lyncher! dohohohoh!)
However speaking of inattentiveness dumbass he's not a fulfilled lyncher?
However, I'm surprised you aren't commenting on something that seems even worse. Serela, have you uh, lost the ability to talk?
Also, if HW was supposed to target you to fulfill a condition, then why didn't he do it last night?she didn't claim kotarou until today
You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum.
You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta.
you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me.
Validon no one is asking you to vote Serela other then the angry Bardiche.
Bard are you being pedantic? SilentShaman DIDN'T CLAIM HER ROLE NAME. How could he have known he needed to lynch her, and you might note, SHE WASN'T THE ROLE NAME HE WAS ASKING ABOUT.
You don't think Bard handwaving your experience to get a town lynch is scummy of him?not unless affinity flips scum, which is why we should get on that lynch
I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today. Wouldn't be surprised if Prims is an Assassin looking for Kotarou to win and shot Zak last night and the actual mafia NK got blocked. Prims, explain your role exactly, as well as what would happen if Shadoweh died tonight at the same time you tried to target her.I find this highly unlikely. I didn't think Zakeri was the townest yesterday, but if you look at the common targets he wasn't someone you could visually throw a lynch on right away, so he could have been an early kill. Also it makes sense that huh what would target you if he thought you were iffy about him because he called out your name. I believe he is telling the truth. Also because Occam's Razor says the most likely thing that happened last night is the mafia killed someone.
I thought he was being reasonable about responding to the accusations on him though.imo he came across as more focused on fending off accusations than pushing his scumreads, especially with how little he enforced his case on bbm, something which made no sense to drop when bbm hadn't really improved and there was more substance to that case than "he jumps around a lot"
You know what, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I could say that I think Affinity is scummy because all of his posts are focused mostly on trying to defend himself and not doing much to find scum, if you think Shadoweh is scummy, then why bother lynching her when HW is just going to kill her anyways?
So why do you guys think Affinity is scummier than Shadoweh.my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one
my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one
r u 4 reel
my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one
Ah, now I understand what you meant by this. I was under the impression before the reveal that you were third party that perhaps you were a cop, but I was proven wrong. She is the person mentioned in your PM as your target, and thus since her role was revealed, you know that she must be town. I understand now.
Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk still
bard is just being pesco levels of obtuse imo. that's not a good thing but i don't see scum intent in it when nobody's being convinced to lynch you and would still rather lynch affinity. i also can't really blame him for finding your d1 scummy when you were indeed being lazy and there was a point where i legitimately thought you were mafiaI can't believe I'm the one pointing this out but how did you think I was mafia if your role pm says I'm.. oh right, you didn't know who I was and wanted to speed lynch me. -.- And maybe but Bard isn't Pesco so it'd be weird for him to turn into a rabbit.
I can't reconcile this as Townie behaviour at all.it strikes me as weird when bard says this about shadoweh of all people since he's played with her in previous games where she was similarly useless. i mean yeah, her play isn't very pro-town, but do you really think it's impossible for town!shadoweh to be playing like this?
like i said i'll try and make a real post tomorrow just so that town has some incentive not to policy lynch me (besides that it'd be pro-scum if they did but you know that's not gonna stop bard from pushing it), but today isn't really the best time so uh
well i'm not "confirmed" but if you look back at my d1 it's pretty obvious i was posting from the perspective of a third party; i was pushing 2 scum because 3 mafia + itp + voteblock is really, really unfair for townYou should decide if your role is pro-town or pro-scum before bullshitting.
EDIT Huh whatty that's because I'm not but trust me if I was a vigilante I'd shoot you so hard for being an ITP. :(No you wouldn't, in fact your posts seem like you really don't care and I'm not sure why you trust his claim on face value so clearly when this is huhwhat we're talking about and he's been blurting all sorts of things all game.
I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today.I'm in glorious agreement. That's a good sign.
I'm arguing that prioritising trying to lose your vote is anti-town, as votes are townie. Besides, what did you do Day 1 without vote? Did you try to push wagons on people you thought were scum? You don't NEED a vote to do shit, but it's tremendously helpful for townies to try and NOT LOSE THEIR VOTE so we have more votes than scum.If the vote worked as Shadoweh suspected someone would have lost it eventually anyway unless the whole game wanted to avoid targeting Serela intentionally.
bbm if i was an assassin then you'd have died last night. i had a meta towntell on nnr and nobody else seemed to suspect zak so i don't think it's weird he bit it, especially if affinity is scum (look at where zak's vote was at the end of the day)I suspected him.
i'm actually not sure what would happen if shadoweh died on the same night i targeted herOf course you wouldn't tell us what the actions does to Shadoweh.
ugh I don't want to reeeeeeeeeeeead. I said such nice things about Affinity though. Granted they were based on Raikaria being awful, but that was before the lynch. I haven't reread Affinity and I don't have time to right now >_> I liked IHNN's entrance. I'm sorry I'm a terrible buddy.So I was considering linking some of Shadoweh's posts that read Super Duper Town to me before but went against it for lack of Actually Being a Tell but fuck all. This doesn't seem fake. A LOT of her posts read this way. I don't think this would have been quite like this if faked. I felt the same way wrt her reply to Affinity's push on Raikaria. This is also twice in one post that Shadoweh's initial response to things mirror mine, not to mention the Bard fiasco. (ftr I don't AGREE on those two points now but those were my initial reactions which warrants Town Points wrt townhunting)
##Unvote ##Vote AffinityPoor QB ;-;
though actually ihnn pushing me as potential scum even after the itp claim is really ughIt wasn't obvious to me until you pointed it out so maybe it's the same for him, especially if he made a big case beforehand.
Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.He also said she is CONFIRMED TOWN to him.
I don't even get why my Rai case is bad
You're trying way to hard with this.
The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.
I'll address the BBM and Rai switch since most people seem to be angry about it. No one seemed to be agreeing with my single BBM vote, and it was being pretty ineffectual and unviable.
Ralkaria should be playing solitaire and not mafia if he is to insist about me 'manipulating' BBM's vote so rabidly despite my words. At least there you can be bound by your own logical perspectives without repercussions. Please get it into your head that a target is viable regardless of the number of votes on him at the time.
I'm calling this an off game already.
I WOULD usually try to differentiate between scatterbrain town and troll scum when it comes to reading you. And reach conclusion: anti-town.
I don't know. I don't even have that much motivation to read into things considering the 1001 other things I need to do right now.
Cut.
What points for lynching Shadoweh do you agree with exactly? And she's talked plenty. Convince me that vote isn't super lazy.
raikaria you should vote bard or ihnn instead of confirmed town
If you think I'm anti-town vote me.That was to huhwhat in response to me giving his shenanigans a clear the whole game.
The vote is, again, an attempt to pressure Shadoweh into answering Bard's question about what she knows about the voteblock. The mere fact she hasn't come out and said 'nothing' means she probobly knows something about it. If Shadoweh is town, why isn't she telling town about the mechanics of this voteblock then, if she knows them?The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.
The answer? She isn't town.
The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.
I also agree with the points on Shadoweh in general, but also throw in her question-evasion D1.Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on. I wouldn't put Affinity at L-1 though, because if the vote-taker is still in play, it would probably hammer him and I'm back to thinking he's legit, even if he won't give me town credit. :V
Also that question from Bardiche to Shadoweh D1 about the voteblock is more important now Shadoweh has a vote.
As such, I'm not going to put Affinity at L-1 right now. Far, far too early in the day, and I want to see if Shadoweh feels like talking today:
'She dies if she explains'Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.
##UnvoteHuh what when you come back just be honest with me, are you really voting Bard for hating or are you just kinda fuck whatever it could be true?
##Vote: Bardiche
#481 - #482 is a thing
affinity's reaction to the flash wagon was ok with me. the cool thing about being claimed itp is that you don't have to justify your gut opinions
i still really don't think raikaria is scum. he's silly but reads like he's acting independently of a scumteam
Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.Secret lovers from the NHK?
Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.
Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.So wait a minute, if you reveal a certain piece of information you die?
So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk stillSaid point and BT's Huge Post of Thinking Out Loud makes me suspicious of Bardiche, though. I'm not going to switch my vote because Affinity has yet to prove that he's not scum in my opinion, but I'll consider switching switching to Bard if Affinity proves himself enough. I don't know whether or not he's lying.
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Affinity(5): BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98, Raikaria
Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.
it strikes me as weird when bard says this about shadoweh of all people since he's played with her in previous games where she was similarly useless. i mean yeah, her play isn't very pro-town, but do you really think it's impossible for town!shadoweh to be playing like this?Yes, I think it's impossible Town Shadoweh would do absolutely nothing when her meta is to shove into everyone's faces how Townie she is and generally being somewhat involved in the discussion. She's hardly involved in any.
Mind Huh Whatty even said something about figuring shit out "tomorrow", implying he'll be around by then. If he was sure he's going to suicide tonight, why the hell talk about shit you'll do tomorrow? Is this really the guy you want to believe and sheep to and not think any longer?
Mind Huh Whatty even said something about figuring shit out "tomorrow", implying he'll be around by then. If he was sure he's going to suicide tonight, why the hell talk about shit you'll do tomorrow? Is this really the guy you want to believe and sheep to and not think any longer?
Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.We CAN TELL huhwhat has role info on Kotarou because he started searching when the game started. Link that to the above.
a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
Your method of convincing us otherwise is "look at the ITP", which is shallow.
for you to honestly cite "she is scummy so this is a conspiracy"
notice that you're accusing Shadoweh of lacking scum suspects
Why do you not bother to refute my argument as to the claim-based evidence's validity? If you're dropping that, drop the Shadoweh suspicion too.
Cut. Taking a shower.
If Shadoweh isn't alive, then we can wifom all the way to our graves over whether HW is being crazy gambit (I doubt it, because he's instalynch material if Shadoweh isn't dead and he isn't gone tomorrow, and this is a pretty odd thing to gambit about from first post in the game)I will be absolutely flippant if she gets shot tonight. It's a good thing to keep in mind.
I'm not sure what this "claim-based evidence" is even.
A lot of things can be argued about on the basis of huhwhat being an ITP. For instance, I think there's a good chance Shadoweh's in danger of whatever it is that's going on. Additionally, she's probably NOT confirmed town, but unless Dormio decided to mix up flavor and make the protagonist anti-town, there shouldn't be any way to reject the evidence towards Shadoweh being town. Yes, this isn't 100% factual concrete. No, you have not given sufficient reasoning on your part as to why you insist on holding onto your suspicion.Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.We CAN TELL huhwhat has role info on Kotarou because he started searching when the game started. Link that to the above.
a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
...You already were voting for IHNN, Serela. There you go, being confusing again.He's probably limited to one big post a day + votes, either that or word limit still. Like Shadoweh, he probably can't admit it.
Affinity is a huge distraction for everyone right now. I say we lynch him, get him off our minds, and then we can focus on what's going on with IHNN, Bard, HW, and Shadoweh, because I don't want to change my vote until Affinity can prove he's not scum, which he still hasn't done.
Affinity isn't a town read and everyone's going to keep being hung over on him, seems pretty clear, so he's a distraction even if he's town and might even be scum, so I'm fine with lynching him too.
Do you think that first bit is likely?
IHNN's vote against HW is really bad; do you really think that if he was Lyncher, he'd celebrate about it right before lynching someone who wasn't even his target?I think it was a gambit to keep people from voting him today as he'd have already won, or was just trolling at the minimum. If you looked at why I was voting him, yo'd have seen it was for continued focus on roles and not explaining his jumpy votes at all.
Bard, in cases where main protagonists are mafia, generally all the good guys are scum. We already have several flips of protagonists being town.Or all the characters in play are good guys. Assuming that someone is town due to the name they claimed is not a very good reason, regardless of circumstances surrounding it.
You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum. You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta. And you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me. I think you're either scum trying to spin everything I do into being scummy.is the closest I see to a "case" on Bard. Bolded the important part.
How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim?Where? Looking through your posts I don't see it.
huh what(1) I have no name
##UnvoteUhhhh...did you miss that, Pesco?
Yes, his Bardiche vote was rather hasty and provocative compared to his other alternatives, but as scum he could have easily selected those other people instead.That seems to me to be saying it's not valid, since the scum alternative was unlikely?
Huh what when you come back just be honest with me, are you really voting Bard for hating or are you just kinda fuck whatever it could be true?i think he has legitimately done some scummy shit yeah
I?ve already mentioned I dislike huh what from D1 due to the oneliners everywhere. The average amount of lines per post is 2, which isn?t bad if the content is good, but that?s where HW falls flat. His reasoning is almost entirely nonexistent (see here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=14781.msg975911;quote=975911) for an example, the line on Serela is the closest he came).this is cherrypicking a post i made in the rvs to boost a wagon for the sake of reactions. if ihnn was reading my posts he'd know i elaborated on this later
His focus on roles is not beneficial to town on D1, or D2, or any day.except i wasn't focusing on roles at all outside of rvs (where it was to kickstart discussion and there was little else to talk about) and some offhand set-up speculations (which didn't outprioritize my scumhunting)
He?s called NNR vigbait and a confused Validon someone he?d vig (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976717.html#msg976717). Directing a theoretical vig/influencing where they shoot is helpful?how? It?s not, this isn?t Popcorn mafia. Yet.people do this shit regardless of alignment, including me. it's like voting bard for saying "cut by serela, one day i will roll dayvig and (etc)"
His end of D1 consists of suspecting anyone and everyone who had been suspected, as seen in (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977048.html#msg977048) these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977060.html#msg977060) ending (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977088.html#msg977088) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977142.html#msg977142). Worth noting that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977065.html#msg977065) HW did not suspect Affinity but switched to him over SS, someone he called scum several times, due to SilentShaman?s claim. This looks to me like going with the flow of the game posts a lot to seem active and the few ?original thought processes? are role shenanigans and not actual scumhunting.this isn't actually a scummy thing. people come up with multiple reads over the course of the day and it's easy to see how my suspicions on shadoweh develop by reading my posts. i say "suspicions on shadoweh" because that was the only person linked who i suspected last minute. kay i had found scummy the entire day, and interestingly if ihnn had kept reading he'd know that I WAS NOT SERIOUSLY SCUMREADING VALIDON AND WANTED TO KNOW HOW HE'D REACT TO THE QUICKLYNCH THREAT which makes that link cherrypicking again.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977163.html#msg977163) implies that he?s a lyncher, though here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975805.html#msg975805) he claimed PGO (and said it was a serious claim). I highly doubt that these would be together even in a Dormio setup, but this is just the icing on the cake that I believe HW is doing all he can to try to survive over finding scum. Even his opening post of D2 is like that, ?PoEing? scum to Bard/BT, going back to the Kotarou character/role shenanigans and making a blanket vote on me, possibly because I expressed suspicion of him D1. Purpose of this paragraph? I believe the lyncher thing is a gambit to keep people from voting him as "he's fulfilled his win condition" and the PGO claim is another gambit to keep people from wanting to kill him at night.this is all incredibly useless idle speculation that has nothing to do with my alignment and amounts to trying too hard. the lyncher win post was obviously a joke given that i did not leave the game under a lyncher win immediately after. it makes no sense to say i'd claim pgo to stop people from killing me at night when there's not even any guarantee of a nightvig. if ihnn had said SCAN then yeah but his thought process jumping to NKs makes no sense for town...... unless hes scum who wanted to nk me..... hmm
But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact I trust no one at this point
This should read "But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact that I trust no one at this point, that doesn't mean I'm going to just jump at the first potential wagon that shows up."vote ihnn
Weirdest thing is between this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977024.html#msg977024) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977162.html#msg977162), but IHNN adequately explained the discrepancy.i, too, can read a player selectively because theyre my scumbuddy and i don't want to lynch them
I seriously see nothing I want to lynch in IHNN.
No you wouldn't, in fact your posts seem like you really don't care and I'm not sure why you trust his claim on face value so clearly when this is huhwhat we're talking about and he's been blurting all sorts of things all game.I think those that know me can agree that if I had a vig and I could launch it right now or tonight, it would hit Huh What with 100% certainty. Maybe I don't care about Huh What because he'll die tonight? And maybe I don't mean he'll be dying by virtue of his own role? Of course, I'm vanilla, so don't assume I'm implying anything here. (Don't kill me Dormio.)
How do you even reconcile huhwhat's claim and Shadoweh being scum at the same time? "She's so scummy" isn't an excuse for blindness.
If the vote worked as Shadoweh suspected someone would have lost it eventually anyway unless the whole game wanted to avoid targeting Serela intentionally.
A lot of your arguments here just seem like you're not thinking hard about them.
He also said she is CONFIRMED TOWN to him.
Are you serious.
Is this really Reading Comprehension Failure 101 going on here.
And then #446 makes sense from Town!Bard. This is hard for me. Oh no nevermind the following Shadoweh post makes even more sense. <3
So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim?
I think those that know me can agree that if I had a vig and I could launch it right now or tonight, it would hit Huh What with 100% certainty. Maybe I don't care about Huh What because he'll die tonight? And maybe I don't mean he'll be dying by virtue of his own role? Of course, I'm vanilla, so don't assume I'm implying anything here. (Don't kill me Dormio.)
i, too, can read a player selectively because theyre my scumbuddy and i don't want to lynch themHuh What says it best. You're seriously going to uphold "~*flavour*~" in a game with claimed bastard mod elements? "Flavour" has no place in a Mafia game. As a mod, you have FAILED the moment players can deduce alignments from flavour alone. I like to think Dormio is halfway competent at the very minimum, so this much should be possible.
Even his opening post of D2 is like that, ?PoEing? scum to Bard/BT, going back to the Kotarou character/role shenanigans and making a blanket vote on me, possibly because I expressed suspicion of him D1. Purpose of this paragraph? I believe the lyncher thing is a gambit to keep people from voting him as "he's fulfilled his win condition" and the PGO claim is another gambit to keep people from wanting to kill him at night.
IHNN: His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore. I don't think he is scum, though. He seems more interested in getting rid of a third party because most likely he thinks HW won't be useful. Due to a lack of talking from him on recent issues, though, I do not have a certain opinion of him.what do you think about his opinions on me given my counterargument to his case, and the fact that he made no effort to push what he could have pushed d1?
Rai's case against Affinity doesn't distinguish between telling someone to talk about person X and voting them, so I don't agree with it, but his fervour makes me think he's more likely to be town.To expand, I think scum generally want to start backing off when they're in the minority and people are attacking them for having bad logic. They change their minds, apologize for their mistake maybe, and attack someone else. Rai didn't do that, and kept sticking with his case for quite a while.
a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.I guess for the sake of completeness, there's option c) Prims is telling the truth, but Kotarou is scum. This option is still highly unlikely. Yes, my reasons for finding him town are based on flavour. So?
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
Serela's confused reaction to the voteblocking doesn't read fake to me, and because this type of role just seems more likely to be scum than town, I'm inclined to say he's town at the moment.This is from D1 but it still holds and I think his D2 posts have been decent.
I think that Bard is probably town, I can't see his obstinacy being scum-motivated. When scum are in the minority, they're not generally that vocal or stubborn. I think his logic is bad but I can't see him as scum.
not bothering to discern where there's a point to you lying,
But I don't think enough people were agreeing with him for him to push that hard for that long. Basically, I don't think that town would still mislynch without that vote.well consider who bard is currently voting (hint: it's not shadoweh)
That he's specifically refusing to take anything at all that you might say as true, not bothering to discern where there's a point to you lying, also reminds me of last game where he was so annoyed about my attitude towards thirds.this is just bard's general opinion on third parties, something which would stay consistent regardless of his alignment
I was gonna reread but then Igot highrealized I like my vote JUST WHRE IT IS
Actually, as I said, if he wants to suicide on Shadoweh tonight to win, he stands to gain everything from lying about Shadoweh being confirmed Town to him. Pls. Pls do you even read.Nobody is saying that Kotarou is confirmed town because Prims is saying he is. What people are saying is that because of Prims, we can assume that Kotarou EXISTS. Even you're not denying this. And then since nobody has CCed Shadoweh being Kotarou, we can assume that Shadoweh is Kotarou. Then, since Kotarou is the main character of the VN, Shadoweh is probably town. Yes, it's possible that the main character might be scum. But is it likely, when both his friend and one of his love interests have flipped town?
we can assume that Kotarou EXISTS. Even you're not denying this. And then since nobody has CCed Shadoweh being Kotarou, we can assume that Shadoweh is Kotarou. Then, since Kotarou is the main character of the VN, Shadoweh is probably town. Yes, it's possible that the main character might be scum. But is it likely, when both his friend and one of his love interests have flipped town?
i think the flavor spec is badlogic since the last time dormio hosted the protagonists were mafia and lover sks respectively, but i also don't see scum!bbm pushing this weak point so hard when it would just make a townie harder to lynch
bard r u lovers wit shadoweh, irl
affinity you should swing the wagons to ihnn, if i need to write a bbm defense to convince you i'll do it
2) Play to win and have fun.Just reminding everyone of this rule and the fact that if Huh What is claiming 3rd party with anything to do with Shadoweh, we cannot trust anything that comes out of his mouth.
I should probably apologize about how horribly lazy my post this morning was. It's hard to get past :effort: because of reasons.
Shadoweh/Huhwhat issues (Why is this even still a thing, like what the fuck, it's so straightforward)
-HW will remove himself from the game tonight if we don't lynch Shadoweh
So why would you want to lynch Shadoweh? You can try to lynch Shadoweh tomorrow if you want to lynch Shadoweh. This should be an acceptable compromise.
-HW is lying and isn't actually going to remove himself from the game tonight because lulz
Well HW sure is gonna get lynched tomorrow, I guess, except this would make no sense and I don't even think it's worth paying any attention to. But yeah, if you doubt HW, HIS ROLE WILL BECOME OBVIOUS N2. Uh, probably.
-HW saying Shadoweh is confirmed town doesn't make her confirmed town
Yeah, I said this earlier, it doesn't. This isn't the reason we're not lynching Shadoweh, we're not lynching her because HW is gonna remove himself from the game tonight via her. If you want to lynch Shadoweh just let HW remove himself on her tonight and THEN lynch her.
I have no idea why people are still talking about HW/Shadoweh stuff, this is pretty simple. Honestly I haven't paid any attention to her because we're guaranteed not lynching her today, so don't ask me what I think about her alignment.
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Cut from Raikaria:I'd rather have HW removed from play so we don't need to worry about him. Wins like this shouldn't get in the way of town's wincon, and HW isn't a pro-town entity we want to keep around. Lynching HW would literally be wasting a lynch, and if we're gonna lynch Shadoweh I'd much much rather do it after HW's taken care of himself so we don't have to worry about him more.
since I was groggy and post-limited
So you ARE limited in some way?
Rai, Prims is ITP, yeah. But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him. I'm not taking everything he says to be true either (as I said earlier, not sure I believe that he targeted me and didn't kill Zak).
So you ARE limited in some way?AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH
Exactly.
We can't rely on ANYTHING he says.
Bardiche is a She.
we can get bard when we're masons tomorrow
I don't think I want to lynch Bard anymore actually, though I wouldn't mind if he cared to die..
Meh. I'm waiting until tomorrow (real life) to vote, probably. I still can't believe I did that... go ahead and yell at me. I deserve it. >.<
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might not be a good idea to have him at L-1 when he's not around though if somebody wants to put him back i wouldn't complain
I was #1 pesterer, though, in my quest to find things out. It's kind of my fault still.Well, the best you can do is keep this bloodily earned information in mind while continuing onto the future. We're all kind of used to shenanigans, a little, other then Bard who still has seizures.
other then Bard who still has seizures.
Rereading Serela, ie why the heck would you target him to shutup, the main thing that stands out is the long argument he had with Raikaria on a similar note to the one I had about how Affinity isn't scummy for wanting people to target other wagons. I think Raikaria is still getting alot of credit for words that don't mean anything and equate into 'lynch Shadoweh because she's not talking to us!' followed later by 'Shadoweh and hw are weird so let's lynch Shadoweh anyways'??? He's just trying to take advantage of the confusion to throw out his bogus cases.
Then again the entirety of Zakeri's addition to the thread is that Raikaria is town because Affinity is scum trying to lynch him. It is pretty much an Affinity hate letter. So hmm.
Still dislike Affinity [Oh, and by the way you're ignoring my contribution to the thread D1 Shadoweh]. Don't like the Bard votes. Also dislike the IHNN wagon. Votes have been reset, can we at least see if he actually does something not complete derp with his vote this before we lynch him <_<Your Day 1 content is the thing that made me rant Day 1 about how terribly unfair you were being to Affinity right? I don't think discounting is the word you want for how I'm considering it while not liking you.
In fact... we're lynching IHNN... partially because he won't move his vote from someone who claimed 3rd party? [That and his case was bad but then HW claimed 3rd afterwards]. Last time I checked town is supposed to lynch those who are not town. Seems weird, the IHNN wagon.More because he's prioritizing lynching the third party over scum because omg thirds etc. I think. huh what equated it to Neko's behavior in DEFCON Mafia, and in general mafia would really like to push third party lynches based on paranoia. I'm sure you can guess where this is going regarding your own vote. Huh what wants to win by targetting Kotarou (me) tonight and winning za gaem. The chances of a role that can win Night 1 ending the game is astronomically bad, and why the fuck people who aren't Validon are running with it is beyond me. (I wouldn't be surprised to see a role like that on Epic Mafia, but here dick roles that end the game would get the mod lynched..) Your behaviour in general has been less about finding scum and more about PARANOIA and ROLE SHENANIGANS and GOTTA GET THAT WEIRD SHADOWEH AND HER LITTLE DOG HUH WHAT TOO. Seriously you are not endearing yourself.
Gut survival instinct for town says to lynch Huh What or Shadoweh because otherwise the game might endSeriously what part of your brain over these games have thought that this is possible
Validon why do you seem to be agreeing with everything that comes your way? You do have opinions, but they mean nothing if they change every time someone else posts a case.
I looked at all of IHNN's evidence against you and I agree on every single case.
His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore
The reason being that yeah, your arguments on HW weren't exactly validSo, I'm scum for voting someone I thought was scum before they claimed ITP because they claimed ITP later thus making my logic invalid despite it having been valid with the information available at the time, assuming I'm reading your post correctly. If you're fine with my content outside of the thing on HW which was perfectly fine for the knowledge of the time, why did you vote me?
8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch. Ever.Seriously rethinking this, i didn't realize Validon was agreeing with everything that came his way. It looks more like this now:
8) Validon98:SuperUltraNewbTown9001.42, would not lynch.Ever.Probably.
@IHNN: In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977869.html#msg977869), you said that you didn't like BBM's vote on you. Serela was also voting you, but for the sole reason of sheeping HW's case on you. Why did you ignore this and say that he was town anyway. I've a feeling you did this because the BBM wagon had more votes on it and thus felt more comfortable for you as scum.The difference is that I liked Serela's D1 but not BBM's. 1 bad vote doesn't make someone scum.
BWHY WOULD I AS SCUM WANT TO KEEP A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO TARGET ME AND MAYBE DO NOTHING MAYBE MURDER ME ALIVE YOU TWITBecause we both know for balance reasons that a suiciding-on-someone ITP wouldn't kill the target if it was scum but if it was just another townie then that reason would no longer exist. So the way I see it you're either scum who won't die, town who will or town who won't. So...I could argue that the fact that you're going along with it is scummy because as scum you would have nothing to fear.
since it's easy though i'm gonna say that i don't think he would've even come up with the "what if HW killed zak??" argument as scum though, because he'd know the truth and it'd be a waste of time to bring up. in context it reads like honest paranoid town speculation. same thing with him defending shadoweh on flavor, he'd be pushing a shitty point nobody agrees with to make a townie harder to lynchWaste of time to bring up=bad play=townie!
But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him.Just going to point this out, since it is a good point regardless: HW did not start voting me until after I expressed suspicion of him. HW is more than skilled enough to make anyone look like scum. He needs to survive to win and me making a case on him, at all, goes against that. I'm not saying his entire vote on me is a huge disguised OMGUS, but it could very well have been part of his initial reasoning for voting me.
Yeah, you're really helping yourself there.Well, the point was to try to help you out, not to help me out.
So, I'm scum for voting someone I thought was scum before they claimed ITP because they claimed ITP later thus making my logic invalid despite it having been valid with the information available at the time, assuming I'm reading your post correctly. If you're fine with my content outside of the thing on HW which was perfectly fine for the knowledge of the time, why did you vote me?Seriously rethinking this, i didn't realize Validon was agreeing with everything that came his way. It looks more like this now:this is a bad post. if you werent mafia you would know why this is a bad post.
The difference is that I liked Serela's D1 but not BBM's. 1 bad vote doesn't make someone scum.
Bleh, this is such an off game for me.
HW saying BBM is town for pushing bad logic is...I don't know. I mean, bad logic isn't scummy in itself but at the same time it's not a towntell.
Because we both know for balance reasons that a suiciding-on-someone ITP wouldn't kill the target if it was scum but if it was just another townie then that reason would no longer exist. So the way I see it you're either scum who won't die, town who will or town who won't. So...I could argue that the fact that you're going along with it is scummy because as scum you would have nothing to fear.
I want to but my vote back on BBM but huh what's defense has made him an unpopular target...but screw it ##Vote: BBM for the same reason as before and that bad logic as a towntell is nothing but WIFOM.Waste of time to bring up=bad play=townie!
Paranoid speculation=townie!
Bad logic (flavor defense)=townie! Also defending a townie liable to flip for towncred is a thing. I don't trust this defense. At all.
Just going to point this out, since it is a good point regardless: HW did not start voting me until after I expressed suspicion of him. HW is more than skilled enough to make anyone look like scum. He needs to survive to win and me making a case on him, at all, goes against that. I'm not saying his entire vote on me is a huge disguised OMGUS, but it could very well have been part of his initial reasoning for voting me.
Oh and that defense I mentioned 2 paragraphs up? Could be made up similarly for anyone in the game right now. It was used to make me look bad, i.e. furthering his survival.
this is a bad post. if you werent mafia you would know why this is a bad post.This is bad logic. If you knew why I kept getting lynched (hint: the answer is I don't have any idea why) you would know why it's bad logic.
shadoweh's vote was on scum, otherwise they wouldn't have blocked her again.Well gee framing exists >_>
This is bad logic. If you knew why I kept getting lynched (hint: the answer is I don't have any idea why) you would know why it's bad logic.you don't get it
Well gee framing exists >_>yeah which is why you can get away with voteblocking her, you don't want her vote counting toward lynching you but if anybody points it out you can dismiss it at WIFOM.
Shadoweh- I don't really know what to say other than that my play is normally 5x better in anonymous games regardless of my alignment. Also, as scum, I can make cases based off the stuff that people do that's scummy, while disregarding the smaller stuff that makes them town despite it. As town, I recognize those smaller things, state them, and then don't really bother analyzing the scummy stuff they do.yeah this is pretty much why i'm townreading bbm and i've played with him multiple times before so i can vouch for him
Isn't it your job then to convince other people of it?Tried. Doesn't seem to have worked.
yeah which is why you can get away with voteblocking her, you don't want her vote counting toward lynching you but if anybody points it out you can dismiss it at WIFOM.Or someone who thinks I'm town is voteblocking someone who was voting me to keep their townread alive, did you think of that?
the fact that the voteblock came at this critical juncture shows scum doesn't want you lynched
yeah this is pretty much why i'm townreading bbm and i've played with him multiple times before so i can vouch for himMeta. Meta that you know I don't have, and that you know I'm not going to trust you on.
you don't get itThen explain it, to help make me a better player. Or do you like being untouchable?
guess im not quickhammering
##Vote: IHNN
shadoweh's vote was on scum, otherwise they wouldn't have blocked her again.
So you ARE limited in some way?
Screw it, I've reread Affinity's case on IHNN and Bard's post, and I can't believe I overlooked that. Bard, what's with the lack of info on IHNN, especially when you did end up reading the people you were going to? Bard and IHNN are right now seeming more fishy than usual, and though I'm still going to withhold my vote for now,
Cut. Did Shadoweh get her vote stolen again.
Note IHNN has not posted during that time, or anywhere near either side of that time period [4 hours the latter end, and about 16 hours from the front end]. Now, while this is certainly not conclusive, it could easily be indicative of... you know... IHNN not even being around to do this voteblock?or he could've just been lurking without posting, or dormio could let scum schedule specific times for their day actions (that's what i'd do as a mod)
IHNN, when did you notice Shadoweh is voteblocked?On D1, before I was playing, I noticed it as soon as the votecount was posted. I sent a message to Dormio about it assuming it was in error.
ihnn is flailing at this point if he's seriously pushing that i'm only trying to get him lynched to be petty because he suspected me. that's not in my wincon as ITP. it's obvious i'm scumhunting to placate town so they have reason not to just lynch me today, and i think ihnn is scum. note that i thought this at the end of d1 when i was still trying to sound town, since i said i had a "secret scumread"I'm not privy to your role PM so idk what your wincon is. Also your using the word "petty" is a blatant misrep as presumably you'd need to, you know, survive to be able to win and someone who suspected you would be considered a threat to your wincon. Scumhunting to avoid being lynched and as such towards your wincon. (don't say I'm being hypocritical since your play has been incredibly survival oriented and so it's not a stretch to say you need to survive+not BM game)
voteblocking shadoweh makes it incredibly difficult to get momentum on the ihnn wagon going - validon is liable to change his opinion a lot (look at his recent unvote), raikaria is sticking his hands in his ears and being a conspiracy theorist instead of scumhunting, scum aren't voting ihnn, and the remaining player is looking elsewhere. so ihnn has 2-3 votes at most with 5 needed to lynch. suddenly it's more likely for town to just gather their votes on bbm or be crazy and lynch shadoweh instead of keeping the ihnn wagon moving, because all the interest has already been expended
I noticed it when the votecount was posted again as I saw my wagon had decreased in volume without an unvoteRight after the votecount was posted?
Cut by IHNN. Right after the votecount was posted?When I saw the votecount so a bit before I made my post. I'd say around 12:30 (i.e. 4 hours ago).
seriously though, read this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977906.html#msg977906), which has been the crux of my ihnn case the entire day (it wasn't the first time i brought that point up)lol@crux of your case being based on me having college related things to do during that time period&using things I found scummy from your play throughout the game
... Why did you choose not to mention this until after HW called it to attention?
>_>I thought Shadoweh herself had made it fairly clear, over 2 hours prior. Perhaps not as much in hindsight, but the ">_>" stands out.
I'm not going to stop talking you know.
I thought Shadoweh herself had made it fairly clear, over 2 hours prior. Perhaps not as much in hindsight, but the ">_>" stands out.
I think a Townie would immediately panic because the implications of a vote on you disappearing are pretty obvious and clear.Obviously not.
So when something, anything happened that could maybe swing it off of me today, why would I try to do anything to draw attention to it knowing that if I did I'd be jumped on.
I mean seriously, scum's throwing you a bone here, and you're saying as Town the best course of action is to just accept it and quietly hope no one else will notice?IIRC, when HW pointed out the voteblock D1 people jumped on him for noticing it.
I'm not entirely sold the voteblock is scumsided, could easily be something HW is in control of and is using to try to set me up. and if so, it freaking worked
...I know I'm going to regret this if I do but if absolutely no one else has offered, sure. I guess.CALLED IT
Don't you understand that it's incredibly scummy to do this. Basically you stand to gain a LOT from people not noticing the voteblock and you gain a LOT from a voteblock on someone who votes you. That you took steps to advance the former makes me think the motive was the latter.In hindsight I guess. But I would see myself doing that in that situation regardless of alignment due to HW's attacks on me.
has been playing pretty badly in general.
I feel like I've been playing awfully most of this game.
pointed out the slip which probobly resulted in Serela dying
You're grasping at straws against HWSo does anyone who goes against him, your point?
Just a quickie: isn't the Shadoweh re-block easily explainable with "they preferred targeting someone they'd already targeted"?i don't see why scum would block based on that. it's very easy for them to block their own ranks so it's not like they'd be clearing people
I also find Rai's vote on Validon hilarious at a glance. Did you consider his reaction to Serela's death at all? Because that sure doesn't look fake.
WHAT!? You're saying I'M the voteblocker? Whoa whoa whoa, hold up a second, just because I called attention to Serela's slipup doesn't mean it was scum-minded. I honestly screwed up there by calling attention to it. I forgot at the time that there was a chance that Serela would die if he let us know about the post limit. And you're saying that because I was active when the voteblock happened I was the voteblocker? Are you saying that only people who posted in that time would get a chance to voteblock? You are completely ignoring the possibility of lurkers who watched while everyone argued. I'm afraid your logic is unsound there. I'm not the voteblocker. I'm also wondering why you are bringing this up out of nowhere. The voteblock wasn't being talked about before, Rai. You're seeming scummier than you were before. I don't trust you anymore due to this. And if I do get lynched, then good job and lynching another vanilla townie.
seriously who the fuck takes this long to claim (or at least post "i don't want to claim yet") as town
You seriously think I said "doesn't look fake" because he showed disappointment? It doesn't look fake because it doesn't look fake. You could take a look if you care about it enough.
How would it be a good idea to hammer? ...Especially if you think he's away?
Sorry, that was an overreaction talking there. I do that a lot. >.>
And I never said I 100% trusted you. The only one so far who has seemed 100% trustworthy to me is BT. So don't go priding yourself in thinking I completely trusted you, because I didn't. I merely leaned to town for you, but I never said I thought you were definitely town.
I still don't get how you would functionally say "I'll give him half an hour to claim" followed by "he could be away".
More seriously, you had a few ways to respond to that first point:
1) BT, I agree.
2) BT, I disagree.
3) What are my vote options again?
Take a guess which one's the worst of the bunch.
Again, though, overreaction. Of course, the way you phrased it means it wasn't meant as a reaction test. You were dead serious. That's what made me overreact like that, so... yeah. Even if it was just a reaction test, then I would have probably acted the same way. I'm not the voteblocker. I know I could flavorclaim, but it looks like everyone wants to ignore that so I won't.
##Unvote
And we're having no quickhammers before IHNN has had a time to claim.
seriously who the fuck takes this long to claim (or at least post "i don't want to claim yet") as townSomeone who posts and then immediately goes and does homework, and then has dinner. Not everyone has mafia be their entire life. I literally posted, closed the tab, did homework, had dinner, came back to this "lol ur scum for not being here". I'm sick of it.
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm accusing you of voting Validon for the sake of having a vote. Once I objected to your vote, instead of addressing whether or not you still suspect him (you know, what is expected assuming you legitimately suspected the person you were voting) you audibly decide that you should change options. No sign of your "theory" being an actual concern to you and all the signs of it being otherwise.Oh uh that's actually reasonable.
Since I still didn't read the thread yet (I am secretly illiterate) could you specify who is "the town" that told you you were being a moron? Safe to assume it wasn't just me, right?
Don't parse that. You targeted Serela because you suspected him?Wasn't sure how to read figured having role info would help. Leaned town after seeing vanilla show up.
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.I'm not a very risky player.
crumbs to back him upNot sure how this is actually relevant.
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.
Rai: No I mean can you name other people who convinced you your theory is crap?
IHNN: Why Serela though? Seems awfully convenient that you wanted to know more about the guy who already flipped. Don't see the special reason for Serela.
IHNN: Why Serela though? Seems awfully convenient that you wanted to know more about the guy who already flipped. Don't see the special reason for Serela.
I'm cool with hammer but wouldn't we want more discussion anyway? Iunno.not much more to talk about really. no point in letting the day drag out
I actually find his explanations reasonable now.
Picking someone who's flipped is also "..."I'm aware that makes it look very fake. >_>
Unless you do some heavy convincingWell since my best bet for an alternative wagon at this point is you, you wouldn't unvote anyways.
I actually find his explanations reasonable now.
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.
Well since my best bet for an alternative wagon at this point is you, you wouldn't unvote anyways.
IHNN's.
The only thing that's bad with the claim now is:
1) Serela still a convenient target
2) Town Roleclop
Got any flavor?
Um, IHNN, quick summary of why you're voting Validon? I'm a notorious didn't-read-this-shit kind of person.
What exactly is Not Me Over Me, again? I tried looking it up and got nothing. >.>
IHNN, why Serela over Affinity who you suspected?I didn't suspect Affinity, I said I didn't understand why people were voting him at all and requested a wagon explanation, which never happened.
I didn't suspect Affinity, I said I didn't understand why people were voting him at all and requested a wagon explanation, which never happened.
Prims, what exactly happens to you now that Kotarou is dead? Two kills don't endear me to an ITP.see above post, also, massclaim would provide pseudoclears on the claimed PRs since everybody has just been vt so far
Also, it's probably 4/1/1 so I'm not entirely sure a massclaim is necessary.
yeah pretty sure scum is between those two. i still want massclaim though, pretty sure it would help us narrow this downIf you were expecting to win last night, why were you planning on writing a case today?
i thought bard was the last scum :( was gonna write a hugeass case on him 2day and everything
actually we should have a claim order.
BT
Raikaria
BBM
so yeah hold off on that. we are massclaiming today though, it's the optimal time to do it when tomorrow is gonna be *ylo. not really worth losing some guy's night results to a NK because he didn't claim
affinity already claimed. i already said this today. learn 2 read
Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard)
I targeted Bard N1 because I thought he would be killed if town.
I targeted Shadoweh N2 because why do you think?
Dormio's response to "was my action recieved" was "yes". Dormio's response to "was my action affected by other roles" was "lol not gonna tell you" (rough paraphrasing).
"What the fuck happened last night" is a good question that needs some thought put into it.
Actually, I lied. I am Nishikujo, Playful Teacher (Cop). Every even night (N2, N4), I may investigate a target and learn if they are a threat to town.
I investigated Raikaria yesterday, and he is indeed a threat to town. I did so for the reasons I listed over the course of the game.
##Vote: Raikaria
Firstly, Lynch all Liars. You lied. Why should we lynch you?
I'm also a VT.
Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard)
I targeted Bard N1 because I thought he would be killed if town.
I targeted Shadoweh N2 because why do you think?
Dormio's response to "was my action recieved" was "yes". Dormio's response to "was my action affected by other roles" was "lol not gonna tell you" (rough paraphrasing).
"What the fuck happened last night" is a good question that needs some thought put into it.
Tl;dr: Can the real roleblocker please stand up?
[Or the real not Bodyguard]
7/3/1/1 with the amount of Vanillas in this game and the vote-block would be some BS.
1) I don't know if I was BLOCKED
2) We don't know how the mafia NK works
Dormio, can you confirm whether or not MYLO/LYLO would be announced?I would announce *YLO.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotarou, the Rewriter(Rewriter).
You were content with your peaceful life, having fun with the occult club, when you were thrown into the middle of this war in the shadows.
Now, you can't even discern friend from foe as you try to discover the truth behind this war for the Key.
If you discover the truth behind this war you might even be able to get back your fun, everyday life.
You've always had the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, and it seems like they're going to come in handy now:
- Rewrite: You aren't sure whether to think of your power as a gift or a curse, but it's all you have. Once per day, at any point during the day, you may rewrite yourself to gain additional powers for the following night. However, you do not know what powers you will gain after rewriting yourself. You know that rewriting yourself has its consequences. If you choose to rewrite your current vote, if you have one, will be removed and you will be unable to vote for the remainder of that day. In addition to this, every time you rewrite yourself, you will lower your own lynch threshold by ONE(1). You also note that rewriting yourself too many times may cause something terrible to happen.
- Childhood Trauma: Ever since you accidentally abused your ability to rewrite in elementary school, you've been afraid of using it or having your powers discovered by others. As such you are not allowed to make any mention of your ability to rewrite in thread, nor can you acknowledge any benefits or disadvantages that have been granted to you through rewriting, and you cannot claim any role other than Kotarou, the Protagonist(Vanilla Townie) with abilities to the extent of posting in the thread and voting.
You win when every threat to your faction has been eliminated. Best of luck.
If you want to discover the truth behind these recent events, you're going to need a better way of collecting information.
After all, if your rivalry with Inoue has taught you anything, it's that knowledge is power.
You steady your breath. Time slows to a crawl. You begin rewriting.
First, you focus on your eyes. You can't let your sight be hindered by distance or the environment.
Next, you focus on your ears. You will not miss out on vital information simply because you weren't able to hear it.
You have gained the ability to use enhanced eyes and ears to either watch OR track a player of your choice tonight.
You have lost your current vote.
You have lost the ability to vote for the remainder of the day.
Your lynch threshold has been lowered by ONE (1).
------
It's still not enough. You need more power. You can't help anyone like this.
Without the strength to protect your friends, you're nothing.
You close your eyes and concentrate. You begin rewriting.
You focus on your muscles. You need to be able to move faster, t-
Your thoughts are interrupted by a sharp pain in your right arm.
You look to see your aurora going berserk.
Instead of forming fine blades, the strands of aurora each move fluidly of their own accord.
Each strand of aurora ends in a vicious looking head, snapping at the air as if they were hungry.
Perhaps... You can use this.
You have gained the ability to kill a player of your choice tonight. You note that your aurora may feast upon your target until nothing remains.
You have lost your current vote.
You have lost the ability to vote for the remainder of the day.
Your lynch threshold has been lowered by ONE (1).
------
You're still not strong enough. You're still useless. You can't stop this conflict without making yourself stronger.
You ignore your body's warnings that you have reached your limit. Limits were designed to be surpassed.
You rewrite yourself. Your mind perceives and comprehends everything perfectly. Your body responds immediately to your every thought.
Time slows and yet you move with haste. This is true power.
However, you regret. You have crossed a boundary not meant for mere mortals.
You continue to rewrite. You have no means of stopping.
Soon, your very existence will be rewritten to have never occurred.
What a pity. What wasted potential.
You have gained the ability to talk in the graveyard here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/webZjZ8gLAceQ).
You have lost the ability to post in thread.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotori, the Druid(Druid).
You've been safeguarding the Key for the longest time and you're absolutely sick of it.
A war for the Key? The very thought that someone would desire the Key makes you laugh.
The only reason you would want the Key is so that you could kill it yourself.
In fact, that's what you're setting out to do.
In order to enact your vendetta, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
- The Key's Druid: You've been serving as the Key's guardian for over ten years now, and old ties are hard to break. This does, however, allow you to know that Kagari, the Key, is in the game. Since you were never affiliated with either of the secret organizations, any investigations performed on you will return the result that you are a threat to their faction.
- The Druid's Lonely Path: As a druid, you are destined to distance yourself from others. You cannot trust anyone, lest they get close to you and betray you. As a result of this you are unable to tell anyone about the existence of Kagari or the Key. You are also unable to claim your role as anything other than Kotori, Gardening Prodigy(Vanilla Townie) with abilities to the extent of posting in the thread and voting.
- The Search: You are one of the few people with the ability to see Kagari. Since you were charged with protecting Kagari, this was a necessary ability. However, now that you've decided to betray Kagari, this ability has other uses. Every night, you may target a player to check if they are Kagari. You may not use this ability once you have found Kagari.
- The Hunt: You will get rid of the Key yourself, no matter what the cost. Every night, you may target a player to kill them. You may only use this ability once you have identified Kagari. You may not target any player other than Kagari with this ability. If you manage to kill Kagari, you will immediately win the game. Winning the game by killing Kagari will not end the game. You will continue to play the game once you have won, in hopes that you are able to win twice over. This does not apply if Kagari is lynched or killed by someone other than yourself.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated OR
You win if you personally kill Kagari.
You are able to win twice if you fulfil both of these conditions. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Nishikujo, Playful Teacher(Cop).
As the ever popular teacher, you devote your time and efforts to make sure that your students achieve all that they can.
Or, at least, that's what you do in your spare time.
In reality, you are a high ranking member of a secret organization tasked with the duty of locating the Key.
The Key is simply far too dangerous to be left alone.
Of course, there are those that hope to take control of the Key and use it for their own purposes. You will stop them.
In order to stop the terrorists trying to use the Key for their own benefit, you have the following abilities in addition to the ability to post in thread and vote:
- Intelligence Report: Your organization controls many sources of information and you are not one to let such resources be wasted. On even nights (N2, N4, etc.), you may perform a background check on a player of your choosing to discover whether or not they are a threat to your faction.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard).
Since running an antiques shop leaves you with a lot of free time, you've occupied yourself by becoming an expert on Kazamatsuri's local cuisine.
Or so you would like everyone to believe.
In reality, you're a retired member of a secret organization tasked with the duty of finding the Key.
You may have retired, but you still hold a lot of power within this organization, and you cannot simply sit back as the war for the Key breaks out once more.
As a hero of the past generation, you have the following abilities to aid you in trying to end the war in addition to the ability to the ability to post in thread and vote:
- Retired Hero: Unfortunately, you're well past your prime and nowhere near as powerful as you once were. That doesn't mean that you're entirely useless though. You are more than willing to sacrifice yourself so that the future generations might stand a better chance. Every night, you can choose to protect a player of your choice. You will manage to prevent any and all attempts on this player's life that night, but you will be taking the blow in their stead.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Lucia, Humanity's Future(Vanilla Townie).
An ordinary class representative of an ordinary class at an ordinary high school.
You had a surprising amount of fun fulfilling that role.
Unfortunately, with the war for the Key breaking out, those fun days are nothing but a distant dream.
You will find the Key, putting an end to anyone that would try to stop you, if only to prevent yourself from being forced to become the future of humanity.
In order to remove everyone that would hinder your search, you have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Shizuru, Saury Enthusiast(Vanilla Townie).
You absolutely love saury, and believe that the world would be a better place if everyone shared your love of saury.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case, and there's even a war breaking out over the Key.
Wars are a sad, sad event.
And so, you're going to end the war the only way you know how, by destroying everyone on the other side.
In order to defeat your foes, you may utilize your abilities to post in thread and vote to their fullest extent.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Imamiya, Loiterer(Vanilla Townie).
Humanity fights over the stupidest things.
To be honest, you'd prefer to have no part in this war, but that simply isn't allowed.
As a being with a fair bit of power, ignoring a large scale conflict like this would simply be irresponsible.
And so you will fight. You will fight anyone that would try to prevent you from finding the Key.
To help you fight your foes, you may abuse your ability to post in thread and vote to your heart's content.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Yoshino, Self-proclaimed Delinquent(Vanilla Townie).
War? What's this war people are talking about?
All you know is that bad things have been happening to your friends recently and, as the Mad Wolf, you're going to do something about it.
You don't know what those idiots have managed to get themselves into, but you're sure that it's nothing that your strength can't overcome.
Unfortunately, you have little more than the ability to post in thread and vote to assist you in your endeavour to help your friends.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Chibimoth, Unusual Dog(Vanilla Townie).
Mosu! Mosu!
You're a dog!
What kind of dog says "mosu" though?
Well, it doesn't matter!
Even if you are a dog, you're going to try your best!
As Chibimoth, you have several amazing powers at your disposal. But you're a dog. So all you can do is post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Akane, Successor of the Holy Woman(Roleblocker).
You need to find the Key.
This is of utmost importance.
Absolutely nothing will prevent you from finding it.
You've even called in Chihaya and her strongest familiar to make sure that you can perform this task.
However, as expected, there are people trying to stop you from finding the Key.
You will simply kill them using whatever means you have at your disposal.
In order to eliminate everyone that would hinder your search for the Key, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
- A Familiar Bond: You are working with Chihaya in order to remove anyone that would try to stop you from finding the Key. The two of you may converse with each other in private through the use of communication familiars at any time here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/LaCky3H2DyRd).
- Influence of the Holy Woman: As the successor of the Holy Woman, you hold a near infinite amount of power and influence in your hands. Every night, you may use this power and influence to have somebody of your choice removed from the game. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Chihaya has already sent Sakuya to kill somebody.
- Influence of a Spoiled Brat: You have so many whims and fancies that need to be attended to and you loathe the thought that you would have to fulfil these wants yourself. Therefore, on odd nights (N1, N3, etc.), you may select somebody of your choosing to perform menial tasks and chores for you. This will distract the person from being able to perform any other actions that night, with you being the handful that you are. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
You win when any threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Chihaya, Owner of the Strongest Familiar(Jack of all Trades).
A low ranking member of a secret organization waging a war in the shadows.
That's what you are, have been, and always will be.
You aren't entirely sure what this entire war is about, you just do what you're told.
And you've been told to get rid of anyone that would stop you from gaining control of the Key.
Fortunately, you're entitled to quite a few benefits that most people in your organization can only dream of due to the fact that you control Sakuya - the strongest familiar.
It's a pity that they can't provide what you want most though: Friends.
To assist you in searching for the Key, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
- A Familiar Bond: You are working with Akane in order to remove anyone that would try to stop you from finding the Key. The two of you may converse with each other in private through the use of communication familiars at any time here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/LaCky3H2DyRd).
- The Strongest Familiar: Sakuya is without peer, an indomitable force. Every night, you may send Sakuya to kill somebody of your choice. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Akane uses her influence to remove somebody from the game.
- Sakuya's Aggression: Sakuya is the strongest, there are very few beings that are able to match Sakuya's strength. During the night, you may send Sakuya to kill someone of your choice. You will be providing Sakuya with additional power so that he can unleash his true abilities and, as a result, nobody will be able to prevent this kill from occurring. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Akane uses her influence to remove somebody from the game.
- Sakuya's Protection: Sakuya is the strongest, and his defensive power is unrivalled. During the night, you may send Sakuya to protect someone of your choice. This will prevent any and all attempts to kill this person during the night to fail. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
- Sakuya's Intimidation: Sakuya is quite capable of giving off an oppressive aura. During the night, you can order Sakuya to begin watching someone. Sakuya will continue to watch this person for the remainder of the night and following day. This will cause the person Sakuya is watching to become more cautious and will limit their speech to a maximum of ONE(1) post with content every six hours. The target may not reveal that they are under a posting restriction. These posts may not be formatted in any way. Additional posts to vote and unvote may be made, provided that they contain no other content whatsoever. Breaking this post restriction will cause Sakuya to kill the person he is watching at the end of the day. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
- Sakuya's Investigation: Sakuya is rather adept at gathering information. During the night, you may send Sakuya to investigate someone of your choice. Sakuya will report back to you at the end of the night with details about that person's role. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
You win when any threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kagari, the Key(Survivor).
There's a war going on in Kazamatsuri surrounding you and whether or not you will bring about salvation.
But you don't really care about that.
Haven't these people realized that it's already much too late for salvation?
You simply wish to fulfil your duty: to look for good memories.
You also wonder where Kotarou is. He seemed special to you...
As the Key, you've been blessed by the Earth with multiple powers in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote. They are as follows:
- Consciousness of the Earth: As the physical manifestation of the Earth, you need a way to safely gather your information. To do this, you have a self defence mechanism in the form of being beyond the comprehension of most humans. They can certainly see you, but their brains are unable to register your presence. As a result, most actions performed against you will fail. There may be some people who are still able to see you.
- Kotarou: You need to find Kotarou, he promised to help you search for good memories. Every night, you may check whether or not a player is Kotarou. If you do find happen to Kotarou, you will recruit him immediately to join you in searching for good memories. If the game reaches LYLO, you will no longer have the time to search for Kotarou every night as you must begin compiling the knowledge you've accumulated to determine whether or not you will have to bring about salvation.
You win if you are still alive when any other faction achieves their win condition. You are not a threat to any other faction. Best of luck.
Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotarou, Servant of the Key(Survivor).
You were approached during the night by a strange girl going by the name of Kagari.
As you tried to figure out who she was, she revealed that she knew quite a lot about you.
You began rewriting yourself to find out why Kagari seemed familiar to you, and as you reached your very core, you discovered your memories of the time you spent on the moon.
Now, nothing else matters but Kagari. You will find good memories for her, you will show her that humanity is something that she can believe in.
To help Kagari, you will dedicate your very being to her. As such, you may use the following abilities to assist Kagari in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
- The Original: You are Kotarou Tennouji. The very first Kotarou Tennouji. The core of Kotarou Tennouji. The Kotarou Tennouji that exists outside of the realm of others. As such, any negative effects that you may have incurred from your alternative selves rewriting have been removed. At the same time, you have also lost any additional abilties that your alternate selves may have gained from rewriting.
- A Good Memory: Helping Kagari find a good memory takes priority over everything else, including yourself. After all, if salvation occurs, then everything humanity has accomplished until now will have been for naught. And, more importantly, it would be rather sad for Kagari. If, at any point during the game, a situation arises where Kagari is in danger of being killed you will gladly sacrifice your own life to protect hers.
You win if Kagari is still alive when any other faction achieves their win condition. You are not a threat to any other faction. Best of luck.
huh what - Kagari, the Key(Survivor) has won the game!lol is that really what i look like btw. worst character design i've seen
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kagari.jpg)
Big plays, bigger throws.was going to use this to justify my d2 claim if it caused me to lose
Having fun>winning, I don't care that I ended up losing the game.i had fun lynching mafia :smug:
the only common denominator in your lynches is youTo be fair it pisses town off too.
for the record though the post where i said "this is bad, you would know why if you weren't mafia" was me trolling because i was itp and that kind of stuff pisses scum off; i didn't actually have any issues with the post
Best scumhunting is the scumhunting that votes only town?was literally voting scum while pesco made this post btw
So Schezo how did it feel to be scum again!I didn't even get to use it because I had to replace out.
Wait I'm not sorry about getting scum lynched AHAHAHA!
Why is he talking about a roleblocker when no one has been roleblocked or claimed roleblocker >.>
I WONDER IF RAIKARIA IS A ROLEBLOCKER
Props to Raikaria, I didn't think he was self-aware enough to imitate his derptown play as scum. Live and learn I guess. Even without that I don't think I would have lynched him over Affinity and Bard based on connections, didn't think the hammer threats would have been made by scum. Good thing power roles exist.
Also sorry Shadoweh I completely misunderstood how our roles worked :<
@ portraits
I didn't know my character was even male
well people having trouble reading you because they can't tell if you're crazy town or scum pretending to be crazy town is generally less "good play" and more "policy lynch"
Or someone who thinks I'm town is voteblocking someone who was voting me to keep their townread alive, did you think of that?Meta. Meta that you know I don't have, and that you know I'm not going to trust you on.
Rai was hard defending IHNN late D2, and we were surprised nobody took notice of it and continued to shrug him off as obstinate derptown. I personally wasn't sure he'd flip scum or it was going to be one of Affinity/BT until Affinity's cop claim happened. I should've probably written down our opinions on a QT so that this doesn't all seem like hindsight, I've just been away from mafia so long it didn't cross my mind.
Also Dormio, wasn't Serela supposed to die at the end of the day according to the role PMs?Mistake on my part but it didn't matter too much so whatever.
how did Shadoweh voteblock herself twice?By rewriting herself twice?
Really? My intention was anything except that. I wrote down what IHNN had did 'wrong', which I didn't think was significant, and attempted to make the town follow other 'worse' cases. I never actually 'defended' IHNN, I just attempted to create a more appatising target for town.
My idea was simply to say 'IHNN's bad, but I think this is worse'. Also my point about trusting an ITP was correct, you shouldn't trust 3rd parties, however Huh What was telling the truth.
Two other questions: One, how did Shadoweh voteblock herself twice? Two, where the hell did all of these irc logs come from?My role let me voteblock myself to get role powers, with the cavaet I wasn't allowed to tell anyone I was voteblocking myself, or that I was anything but Vanilla Town.
EDIT: *reads Scum QT*
"I couldn't BS a reason for Validon on you though :/"
...SCREW YOU TOO GUYS. :I
I meant the whole thing about IHNN -not being there- in the last few hours.
Edit: My only regret is shooting Bardiche instead of Raikaria like I originally intended. However since I was contemplating shooting Affinity because everyone else thought he was scum, and Bard was trying to kill Jesus, I could have done worse!
Vhaltz: If you hydra IRL no one can really stop you :V
It was that time when Conq let ActionDan into his room.actually it was; i told him to make his own account afterwards :V
(The only person who can get away with fair IRL hydraing is Shadowert because her only hydra options are people that don't give nearly enough of a shit about Mafia to be a meaningful factor. <_<)All of their hydra contributions are to stop posting in mafia anyways, one could argue I'm disadvantaged as a hydra ;_; I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.
I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.
I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.
She also wanted to pop in and say hi but can't even post in RPG because she has never posted on the forum once despite having an account for a long time.
I don't think anyone that's hydra'd has ever really stopped to consider how incredibly powerful a second meta, a second set of eyes, and reduced accountability is.I realized I should stop hydraing because I always strongman my way through their opinions and force my own on anyway ;_;
Have her follow in the way of BBM. >_>Dormio, go send her that message you sent BBM.
My role let me voteblock myself to get role powers, with the cavaet I wasn't allowed to tell anyone I was voteblocking myself, or that I was anything but Vanilla Town.
The irc logs are likely coming from private queries, or from the #MotkTown channel on the irc server for shrinemaiden.