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Title: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 20, 2013, 08:17:20 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/Rewrite_logo.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAYpffuBVFQ)
The war for the Key. A war waged between two hidden organizations, both of which wish to find the Key for their own purposes. A war that will not end until one side is completely destroyed, so that they may search for the Key in peace. A war waged in the shadows of Kazamatsuri, so that the killing can be kept from the prying eyes of commoners. Now, if only anyone knew what the Key really was.
Welcome to Rewrite Mafia.

RULES
0) Whatever the mod says goes. In addition, these rules may be changed at any time.
1) You may not directly quote any communications with the moderator. Paraphrasing is allowed, but run it by the moderator first if you feel that it is too similar to the original content.
2) Play to win and have fun.
3) Days will last for 72 hours. Nights will last for 24.
4) Being prodded 3 times is grounds for a modkill. The first prod will be given after 24 hours of inactivity. Each prod you receive will reduce the amount of time you have before you receive another prod by 6 hours.
5) Failure to follow the rules or any given instructions is grounds for a modkill.
6) Use ##Vote: <Name> to vote. Minor variations will be accepted.
7) Use ##Unvote to unvote. Minor variations will be accepted.
8) Failure to reach a majority will result in no lynch occurring.
9) You may not talk during twilight. Twilight is the time between the hammer and the moderator's flip.
10) You may not talk during the night.
11) You may not speak to anyone else about the game through private or public methods of communication unless you have a role that facilitates such an activity.
12) You may not edit your posts. Use edits by way of post if you must.
13) You may no-lynch ONCE throughout the game. Any further no-lynches will result in a universal loss.
14) Should a situation arise where no faction is able to win, the result will be a universal loss.
15) You may make one post that does not contain any game related information after dying within 24 hours of your death. This is the only exception that will allow you to talk at night.

Still fighting:
2. huh what
6. BT
7. BigBangMeteor
8. Validon98
9. Raikaria
11. Affinity

Resting in peace:
0. Dormio - Inoue, Nosy Reporter(Vanilla Townie), was permanently silenced N0.
12. Silent Shaman - Yoshino, Self-proclaimed Delinquent(Vanilla Townie) was lynched D1.
4. NekoNekoRex Zakeri - Lucia, Humanity's Future(Vanilla Townie) disappeared N1.
3. Serela - Chibimoth, Unusual Dog(Vanilla Townie) was assassinated D2.
5. Schezo I have no name - Chihaya, Owner of the Strongest Familiar(Jack of all Trades) was lynched Day 2.
1. Shadoweh - Kotarou, Servant of the Key(Survivor) was hunted N2.
10. Bardiche - ??????, ??????(??????) was devoured N2.

Useful links:
Day One Starts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975764.html#msg975764)
Day One Ends (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977166.html#msg977166)
Day Two Starts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977469.html#msg977469)
Serela Dies Day Two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg978037.html#msg978037)
Day Two Ends (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg979049.html#msg979049)
Day Three Starts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg979574.html#msg979574)
Day Three Ends (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg980207.html#msg980207)
Role PMs (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg980209.html#msg980209)

Quote from: Sample Town PM
Welcome, Dormio, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Inoue, Nosy Reporter(Vanilla Townie).
As the head of the newspaper club, you simply love to stick your head into matters that don't involve you.
As of late, you've been investigating the existence of two secret organizations, both of which seem to be searching for something.
Many people have told you that curiosity killed the cat but, surely, nothing will happen to you...

Despite all the information you process, or perhaps because you spend all your time doing nothing but collecting and processing information, your actual abilities are limited to being able to post in thread and vote.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/inoue.jpg)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 20, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
Role PMs are being sent out now, please wait warmly.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 20, 2013, 08:28:35 AM
All role PMs have been sent! Please confirm that you have received and read your PM in thread.
The day will begin once every player has confirmed.

Unconfirmed:
1) Shadoweh
2) huh what
3) Serela
4) NekoNekoRex
5) Schezo
6) BT
7) BigBangMeteor
8) Validon98
9) Raikaria
10) Bardiche
11) Affinity
12) Silent Shaman
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: BT on May 20, 2013, 08:29:27 AM
Estimated Time of Game Start: 16 hours

Confirm-a-tron
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 20, 2013, 08:31:50 AM
i HOPE THIS GAME TURNS OUT HALF AS FUN AS THE NHK!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 20, 2013, 08:32:34 AM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Raikaria on May 20, 2013, 09:28:56 AM
I confirm now that I have awoken.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Validon98 on May 20, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
I think you forgot to give me one. Because my inbox is empty.  ???
Also, I won't be able to be on a lot until later because my school blocks this site, so... yeah. ^^;
EDIT: Oh, there it is. Right. Okay, confirmed, then!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Affinity on May 20, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
Confirmed
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Schezo on May 20, 2013, 12:43:12 PM
Conformed
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 20, 2013, 01:31:13 PM
We are the Claws of Aiur.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Bardiche on May 20, 2013, 01:39:30 PM
ALL LOVE MUST PERISH
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Serela on May 20, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
Mogu mogu!

No, wait, wrong franchise...
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 20, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
Confirming.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 12:59:58 AM
Confirming.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 01:17:18 AM

21:16 <Serela> DORMIO EVERYONE CONFIRMED LET'S START

##Vote Shadoweh

Now stop stepping on my face I only like it when other people do that!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 01:25:05 AM
Uh... overexcited much? Also, did I walk into a battlefield full of people who all feel some amount of hatred towards certain other people (like I heard a few stray comments about lynching Serela right off the bat and I'm completely unaware of why)?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
And so the war for the Key begins. Day 1 has now started!


Votecount

Not voting (12): Shadoweh, huh what, Serela, NekoNekoRex, Schezo, BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity, Silent Shaman
With 12 votes in play it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~72 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 01:32:40 AM
Validon:They joke, they joke!

...uh, kind of!

They're -mostly- kidding I swear! We're all very lighthearted! Okay, maybe not all of us. You know what I should just be quiet until I have real stuff to comment on ##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 01:37:55 AM
Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...?
Anyways, we have no evidence. At all. This is a little disconcerting, especially considering I didn't expect the game to start right with day. I don't even have an idea for a random vote. I'll hold off on voting for now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 01:41:07 AM
Are you used to mafia starting during the night? Nope, we jump right into it. The same way we're going to jump on Serela's face.
##VOTE: SERELA

THIS TIME NOTHING WILL STOP ME FROM ENDING YOU, KYUUBEY THIRD PARTY SCUM!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
##Vote: BT

because fuck effort
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:36:37 AM
Claiming PGO.

##Vote: Serela
Utility lynch.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:37:48 AM
Claiming PGO.
Would like you to confirm this as serious since you're HW
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:41:13 AM
Yeah.

Also, if whoever Kotarou is could character claim, that'd be useful for the other half of my role.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 02:42:46 AM
So your role guarantees that Kotarou is in the game?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:43:50 AM
essentially yeah

or i guess dormio could just be coy and have somebody who isn't kotarou "scan" as him
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 02:46:15 AM
Eh, I'm not actually sure that whoever Kotarou is should character claim because we have no proof that you're not an Assassin of some kind.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 02:47:19 AM
##Vote: Serela

How does it feel to not even be recognized by the mod?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:47:51 AM
Eh, whoever is Kotarou can deal with it themselves

Schezo:Huh? Do you mean the vote thing? Day hadn't technically started yet, so
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:50:13 AM
Eh, whoever is Kotarou can deal with it themselves

Schezo:Huh? Do you mean the vote thing? Day hadn't technically started yet, so
scum post imo

vote serela
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 02:51:03 AM
Votecount

Shadoweh(1): Serela
Serela(2): huh what, Schezo
BT(1): BigBangMeteor
Not voting (7): NekoNekoRex, BT, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity, Silent Shaman
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~71 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 02:52:03 AM
##Vote: BigBangMeteor

Your own fault.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 02:53:41 AM
##Vote: BigBangMeteor

Your own fault.
same  I mean what?

Vote Serela no brakes
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:56:32 AM
Serela, why do you have a scum role?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:06:22 AM
...what

I am so legit confused right now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
>_> Dormio stop ignoring me
I SAID NOTHING WILL STOP ME FROM DESTROYING KYUUBEY
##VOTE: SERELA
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:23:15 AM
But Kyubey is adorable...
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:24:30 AM
(http://puu.sh/2Wn47)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 03:24:56 AM
Shadoweh, you're voteblocked. Look at the amount of votes in play.

Pretty sure Serela blocks the vote of his vote target; unless a day voteblocker is just really trigger-happy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:29:11 AM
HW stop jumping to conclusions oh my god D: I am so innocent right here!

Here let me show you

##unvote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:32:52 AM
HW stop jumping to conclusions oh my god D: I am so innocent right here!

Here let me show you

##unvote

How does unvoting make you innocent?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:34:20 AM
Well HW is accusing my of blocking the vote of whoever my vote is on.

Along this line of thought, Votecount Request!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 03:35:29 AM
Votecount

Serela(2): huh what, Schezo
BT(1): BigBangMeteor
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
Not voting (7): NekoNekoRex, BT, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity, Serela
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~70.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:37:36 AM
test, uh, just to be, double sure, you know

##Vote HuhWhat
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 03:37:57 AM
why ;_;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:39:24 AM
Poor, poor Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:40:28 AM
Meh, that doesn't necessarily prove you innocent. The effect might stick to the player you voted for first. Or would that be an odd way for the role to work here?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:41:33 AM
Well it helps at least D;

This can be confirmed day 2 start if nothing else. >_>;

I'm just assuming scum has a voteblocker who for some reason gets to start on a personal n0.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:43:37 AM
Well it helps at least D;

This can be confirmed day 2 start if nothing else. >_>;

I'm just assuming scum has a voteblocker who for some reason gets to start on a personal n0.

Second point is true, I suppose.

Or Shadoweh is voteless.



<Dormio> Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:44:06 AM
Argh, messed up the quote tag in my post. Last two sentences belong outside the quote.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 03:44:59 AM
Kay, is Serela scummy?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:53:18 AM
Personal n0 was silly but I guess it's just a day private action or whatever, the day actually started with 12 votes in play, etcetcetc

Anyway I'm probably going to bed in a minute.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 04:04:13 AM
##Vote: BigBangMeteor

Your own fault.
same  I mean what?
As in  What is his own fault?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 04:09:03 AM
So I was off by an hour. But that'd the mod's fault! I would be off by half an hour otherwise.

##Vote Schezo

What's your theory for the Case of the Disappearing Shadoweh Vote?

huhwhat, got anything compelling for Serela-scum?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 04:10:31 AM
That it's irrelevant and stupid to care about right now.  Next.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 04:11:10 AM
Do you think the act is town-motivated or scum-motivated? I think it's scum-motivated.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 04:12:38 AM
Actually I retract that question. I'm also wrong. Not necessarily true.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 04:14:57 AM
Yeah, only reason I was caring is because people were already blaming it on me >>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 04:19:35 AM
huhwhat, got anything compelling for Serela-scum?
All his posts are really self-conscious.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 04:20:51 AM
Maybe it's because the game started with "Serela why did you block Shadoweh's vote and are scum"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 04:21:56 AM
I kind of agree with huh what, but I also thought Serela was scum as Kyuubey so. I'm surprised huh what noticed so quickly that something weird happened to be honest.

##Kick in the Face: Kyuubey >:< <-- it does nothing JUST LIKE MY VOTE
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 04:24:30 AM
Votecount

Serela(2): huh what, Schezo
BT(1): BigBangMeteor
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
huh what(1): Serela
Schezo(1): BT
Not voting (5): NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~69.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 04:24:43 AM
Hmm.

Serela, it's okay if I leave my vote in your care, for safe-keeping, right? Until further notice.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 04:30:28 AM
As in  What is his own fault?

Me voting for him. It was just a joke.

Kay, is Serela scummy?

Not really imo, being self-conscious with that many votes makes sense.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 04:33:48 AM
Serela, it's okay if I leave my vote in your care, for safe-keeping, right? Until further notice.
(http://puu.sh/2WnV6)
This game has me extremely confused. If this is actually a serious question then, uh, okay?
...I'm not sure what this means. I'm just going to go along with it and see what happens. >_>;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 04:42:02 AM
test, uh, just to be, double sure, you know

##Vote HuhWhat
This is a test?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 04:57:23 AM
This is a test?

To test whether Huhwhat could vote after Serela voted for him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 05:13:40 AM
It's Day 1, let's get this over with guys.

##Vote: IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 05:14:12 AM
^ Note we should totally do this regardless of IHNN actually being in the game.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 21, 2013, 06:06:22 AM
I don't think anything about the Serela/Shadoweh voteblock thing.  Why would scum block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control.

Don't get Schezo cause of this.

##Vote: Schezo
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 06:10:44 AM
Glad I slept through RVS.

As far as Shadoweh's disappearing vote is concerned, inclined to think it's part of her role. Voteblocking D1 RVS doesn't help scum as it gives Town something to discuss (ends RVS sooner), and it's way too soon to blast with rolepowers asap. Similarly Town has no motive. Neither does ITP since there are more tactical times to deploy such a dayrole. Hence: Likely Shadoweh's own role.

Shadoweh, what do you mean "I kind of agree with huh what", are you saying it's not part of your role?

Huh what, are we trying too hard here now by even SUGGESTING this is the act of some outside source considering how early in the game we are? Obviously scum trying too hard to get a mislynch going on Serela.

##Vote: Huh what

I've solved D1 guys.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 06:19:53 AM
Assuming it's not Serela (the "test" speaks for this) it's some stealth endeavor, which I think suggests scum?

Anyway "why would town block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control?", which is why I made the earlier statement. Though I think it's marginally scum-motivated still since it's still nullifying a vote that town can use.

Rai, do something with your vote. You're not a preschooler.

Cut: Geh? You think Shadoweh having that role meshes with her reaction? Like it could be fake but... eh. Or she didn't know about it, since there's the mention of bastard in the rules.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 06:24:18 AM
Assuming it's not Serela (the "test" speaks for this) it's some stealth endeavor, which I think suggests scum?

Anyway "why would town block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control?", which is why I made the earlier statement. Though I think it's marginally scum-motivated still since it's still nullifying a vote that town can use.

Cut: Geh? You think Shadoweh having that role meshes with her reaction? Like it could be fake but... eh. Or she didn't know about it, since there's the mention of bastard in the rules.

No side benefits from voteblocking Shadoweh this early; A tactical voteblock is much more useful. Like, say, if someone wants to lynch the fuck out of you so you can block this attempt, or on your scum mate, or to get a guaranteed mislynch as people will obviously riot when someone's voteblocked from hammering.

Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.

I don't buy into this "stealth endeavour" nonsense.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
Also, some irony in telling Raikaria to do something with his vote when you say you're blatantly voteparking here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975869.html#msg975869), unless you want to give a compelling case of why Serela is scum?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 06:31:12 AM
Vote isn't on Serela due to the voteblock itself right now re:Bard. Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.

BT has a lot of posts that look like they're doing stuff but aren't. Why are you still on Schezo?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 06:32:01 AM
Rai, do something with your vote. You're not a preschooler.

BT, I'm allowed at least one RVS vote before I actually do something useful. Timezones man :/ [Also what kind of RVS lasts only 4 or 5 hours?]

Anyway I won't actually sort out a proper vote at this instant because I have an exam in an hour. I'm literally dropping by quickly.

Curious about the voteblock but don't have time to read into atm. Will do so after exam.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 06:36:06 AM
Yeah, okay, I agree on that now.

Rai isn't voting anyone (cut- I meant do something as in vote someone! even as RVS). And that's not what I said there (I'm not even voting Serela - you interpreted that upside-down).

Cut: I'm still on Schezo because none of the somehow-serious votes at this stage have caught my eye and I'm not seeing anything myself yet, simple. I could put my vote ~*~somewhere else~*~ if I wasn't an indecisive hag, plus it isn't completely to waste if Affinity wants something out of Schezzy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 06:38:07 AM
Hmm, huhwhat, why do my posts look like they're doing stuff? I'd understand complaining about lack of arguments but I don't get this.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 06:39:17 AM
ok

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.

Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.

Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 06:41:30 AM
Serela's confused reaction to the voteblocking doesn't read fake to me, and because this type of role just seems more likely to be scum than town, I'm inclined to say he's town at the moment.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Affinity

Okay, let's assume that you're correct and Schezo's logic there is bad. Why is it scummy? Bad logic doesn't equal scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 06:51:39 AM
BT, I'm allowed at least one RVS vote before I actually do something useful. Timezones man :/ [Also what kind of RVS lasts only 4 or 5 hours?]

Anyway I won't actually sort out a proper vote at this instant because I have an exam in an hour. I'm literally dropping by quickly.

Curious about the voteblock but don't have time to read into atm. Will do so after exam.

Why are you arguing for your right to be useless? btw even if you do get an RVS vote it should be a real one for someone who's in the game, at least it might prod them to complain or something.

Good luck with the exam, I look forward to you posting your thoughts.

Vote isn't on Serela due to the voteblock itself right now re:Bard. Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.

BT has a lot of posts that look like they're doing stuff but aren't. Why are you still on Schezo?

Wanting to prove that you didn't do something seems reasonable to me, even if it doesn't necessarily mean being scum.

I don't think anything about the Serela/Shadoweh voteblock thing.  Why would scum block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control.

Don't get Schezo cause of this.

##Vote: Schezo

Clarify what you don't get about Schezo, please?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 07:00:15 AM
*Attempts to do something more important*

*Gets 1,001 error messages*

OK, seems I will be using the hour before my exam to mafia after all.

Yeah.

Also, if whoever Kotarou is could character claim, that'd be useful for the other half of my role.

Find this interesting. Since when did role flavor necessarily always mean something is in the game? Especially since Dormio said in the sign-ups that there may be elements considered bastard. You might just be a Named Townie.

Even then, the reasons behind this relation intrigue me.

From there it's just RVS stuffs... then HW points out the Voteblock.

Shadoweh, you're voteblocked. Look at the amount of votes in play.

Pretty sure Serela blocks the vote of his vote target; unless a day voteblocker is just really trigger-happy.

That is a silly assumption to make this soon in the game. It's as silly as me assuming Shadoweh is this Kotarou and your role votelocks Kotarou. Or assuming Shadoweh is just voteless.

Anyway the unvote after and the HW vote after seem to render this train of thought null.

BT is being weird. And votes Schenzo to get a question response... then drops the question and doesn't unvote... then accuses me of messing around with my vote when he's clearly parked it [Well, I was, but if anyone was taking that vote seriously...]

Serela is always gonna sound self-conscious when he's being accused with silly conclusion jumping logic D1 when he can disprove it HW. A 'There your theory is wrong now unvote pls' attitude isn't that bad...

Hmm.

Serela, it's okay if I leave my vote in your care, for safe-keeping, right? Until further notice.

Really weird post. Is this BT just saying 'I'll Sheep Serela?'. Also still parking.

Votecount

Serela(2): huh what, Schezo
BT(1): BigBangMeteor
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
huh what(1): Serela
Schezo(1): BT
Not voting (5): NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~69.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)

Waaaait a second!


There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.

ok

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.

Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.

Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.

So, wait, you push on Serela for the voteblock, and then flip to Schezo for reasons which seem like fluff to me. Not that it matters, voteblocked and all.

Cut: I'm still on Schezo because none of the somehow-serious votes at this stage have caught my eye and I'm not seeing anything myself yet, simple. I could put my vote ~*~somewhere else~*~ if I wasn't an indecisive hag, plus it isn't completely to waste if Affinity wants something out of Schezzy.

How ironic.

Anyway, time to be useful:

## Vote: Huh What

I wish for more information about what it specifically was that made Serela suddenly town, when you were adamant Serela was scum a moment ago. And why Schenzo's posts look worse than the roleblocking.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 07:02:14 AM
Also not liking BT at this precise moment much.

@ IHNN vote: It was a jokevote because I just got up and wanted an RVS I would change in a couple of hours to something more serious. No-one needed prodding, so I chose to make a joke about the way IHNN always gets D1 lynched. What's so bad about making a meta joke these days D:
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 07:03:14 AM
I don't think anything about the Serela/Shadoweh voteblock thing.  Why would scum block a vote so early in the game anyway if the power is within his control.

Don't get Schezo cause of this.

##Vote: Schezo

Actually rereading the thread, I mixed people up. Schezo doesn't even say anything about voteblocking being scummy, as far as I can see, so this vote makes even less sense than it did earlier.

Prims's Schezo vote is ??? because he says he agrees with BT that he's scummy, except BT never actually said that he found Schezo scummy, just that nothing stands out at all, so he might as well keep his vote where it is.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 07:13:45 AM
Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.
Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.

Shadoweh, what do you mean "I kind of agree with huh what", are you saying it's not part of your role?
I said I was agreeing that Serela was overreacting, it doesn't have anything to do with whatever's wrong with my vote. I have no idea what's causing it. At least it killed RVS fast, but I don't think there's much to do about it. Or discuss, really.

I think the thing on Schezo will go away once he makes a real post, at least now that there's things to post about. If huh what could explain to me what he thought made Schezo scum from 'idc'..

SilentShaman is cool and Raikaria cut me with a huge rambly thing that I will totally read once I copy/paste it and replace everything with I DIO
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 07:14:57 AM
BBM also has a point since Schezo was agreeing with what Affinity said. That is scummy because? (besides because Affinity thinks like scum)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 07:17:22 AM
If huh what could explain to me what he thought made Schezo scum from 'idc'..

That's the basic TL;DR. The ramble was basically just me posting a train of thoughts as I read the thread on stuff.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 07:19:29 AM
To be fair to Prims, I believe he asked Dormio on IRC where Shadoweh's vote was, and Dormio's response implied that nothing was wrong with the votals. Not sure how he jumped from "Shadoweh is voteblocked" to "Serela voteblocks whomever he's voting for", but yeah.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 07:30:25 AM
Raikaria, you do realize huh what is clearly voting for Serela in that votecount you posted?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 07:31:47 AM
Rai: There's no 'n' in Schezo. Also, you'll understand if I think you're scummy for blindly mentioning everything I do as scummy, right? Also dismissing my explanations completely.

Actually rereading the thread, I mixed people up. Schezo doesn't even say anything about voteblocking being scummy, as far as I can see, so this vote makes even less sense than it did earlier.

Prims's Schezo vote is ??? because he says he agrees with BT that he's scummy, except BT never actually said that he found Schezo scummy, just that nothing stands out at all, so he might as well keep his vote where it is.
I think Affinity's trying to say that, since there is something to gain from the voteblock convo, Schezo gets a vote for wanting to move on. (I'm iffy about this but fine with Affinity himself)

huhwhat said that Schezo's posts told him Schezo was scummy, so you're reading that wrong.

BBM also has a point since Schezo was agreeing with what Affinity said. That is scummy because? (besides because Affinity thinks like scum)
Translation pls.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 07:34:16 AM
By the way huhwhat's silent switch to Schezo is pretty null here.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Raikaria, you do realize huh what is clearly voting for Serela in that votecount you posted?

._.

It's too early in the morning and my head is full of HR.

My point still stands about my vote reason.

By the way huhwhat's silent switch to Schezo is pretty null here.

Not when he dosen't explain what suddenly makes Serela town after pushing so hard.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 07:37:43 AM
Translation pls.
Schezo said it was irrelevant.
Affinity said it was irrelevant and then voted Schezo sounding like he disagrees with him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 07:39:19 AM
Yeah.

##Unvote Schezo, ##Vote Raikaria

I'm a very weird person! What's your retort?

(I wanted to make sure this isn't ye olde scummy townie but I also don't like the way he called huhwhat's brief explanation on Serela 'fluff'.)

Cut: Sure it does. His post implies that he reconsidered things. If anything what's missing is the Schezo reasoning but, still, I find nothing alarming about that.

Cutters: I was thinking that as first too but I think Affinity said "don't think much of it" (IIRC) as in he doesn't think it's scummy, not that he doesn't think it's anything.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 07:44:14 AM
Oh wait, the fluff was wrt Schezo. Nevermind that part then.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
Okay, say Affinity voted Schezo for not finding the voteblock thing important- again, why is that scummy? The only way I could see it being scummy is Schezo not wanting to talk about his ability/his scumbuddy's ability, but Affinity says he doesn't think the voteblock is scum-sided.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 07:59:33 AM
..Not wanting to use the information you get from it.

Though honestly instead of guessing we could just wait for his response.

Stuff has been going on. Got anything else to say?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
ok

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.

Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.

Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.

With whom exactly is Prims agreeing with? Even if he found something scummy himself, he doesn't share it. Prims kind of looks like he's trying too hard- he's moving his vote a lot and jumping on everything.

I also don't like your vote on Raikaria. Your main reason for voting him, from what I can see, is that he called Prims's Serela reasoning fluff. Except you realize next post that you misread and the fluff bit was relating to something completely different. So why exactly is your vote here?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 08:33:56 AM
Votecount

huh what(3): Serela, Bardiche, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, huh what
Serela(1): Schezo
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~65.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 08:40:01 AM
He is agreeing with Affinity.

I find Raikaria scummy for his pushes in that one post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975921.html#msg975921) His pointing things out as 'silly' and 'weird' ultimately show no scumhunting process, as he's only pointing things out. If he thought I was weird-in-a-scummy-way, instead of stating why and maybe getting an explanation out of me he opts to leave it as that, as he's only pointing things out. The Cream of the Croagunk Crop (don't sue me) is that he mentions he thinks huhwhat was spot on with his assumption that Serela is a voteblocker but proceeds to a) not do anything wrt Serela, instead saying it's "fishy" and never mentioning him again and b) not do anything wrt huhwhat, which is jarring because he votes him to follow. Wouldn't huhwhat being right and Serela "fishy" (or huhwhat correctly calling out a movable voteblock) change things? NBD, it seems.

Shadoweh, you said you were going to read that post. What happened?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 08:42:43 AM
I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.
Despite what I just determined? I mean, sure, it could just be Bad Rambling but we're not going to find out by pointing and laughing at it. Unless you want to tell me who my vote should be on?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:06:19 AM
BT, you neglect to realize that my long post as literally a thoughtdump. I read things, found things of interest, commented on them, and then made a breif summary at the end where I basically voted simply to find out more information.

If I had not felt pressured to do something useful in a hurry [And not got errors attempting to log onto my University's website to check a couple of things I was not 100% sure on for the exam], I would not have even done that until now. That is the reason I failed to notice Huh What's vote stood.

You claim I say Huh What was right,when I said such as an error... [Which Shadoweh pointed out and I noticed]. Also I say:

The Cream of the Croagunk Crop (don't sue me) is that he mentions he thinks huhwhat was spot on with his assumption that Serela is a voteblocker


There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.

Key Words: Maybe
Either
Or

I by no means say Huh What is right on the button. It is still a silly assumption this early, and it could just as easily be something with Shadoweh's role. So there goes the core of your reasoning right then and there.

I said I voted Huh What for more information. I did not like his sudden flip to Schezo, which was both unexplained on why Schezo, and unexplained in what suddenly made Serela sound like a townie... or what made him sound like scum before that point. I did not have the time or the mental clarity to analyze and come to a full conclusion of who I saw was scum at that point.

Also I did not like HW jumping to conclusions or his sudden wagon flip. It's like he was pushing hard on Serela, saw it wasn't working, so hopped on the Schezo wagon for no reason. Which is why I want him to give more info.

In addition, your behavior is not seeming any better to me. I pointed out what I disliked before, but maybe not clearly. You were doing a lot of ~posting~ but nothing useful, and sitting on a parked vote... while having a go at me for my joke vote when I was in a rush [Although admittedly I had not explained as such, but you kept going on about it even after I explained]

Now you're at least attempting to seem useful... but voting based on bad logic and misrepping what I said.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:09:18 AM
Despite increaseing urge to vote BT I will remain on HW for the time being because I feel his wagon flip really needs explanation.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
/me reads the four pages that cropped up while he was sleeping.
...I'M SO CONFUSED!!! Do we even have any idea what roles exist, or is it purely blind, because at this point everyone's talking about vote blocking and stuff and I've lost track of what's going on. ???
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
/me reads the four pages that cropped up while he was sleeping.
...I'M SO CONFUSED!!! Do we even have any idea what roles exist, or is it purely blind, because at this point everyone's talking about vote blocking and stuff and I've lost track of what's going on. ???
No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.

BT: I think it's patent pending. I'm not pointing and laughing at it, other then the actual error.

Raikaria, you're being a little too defensive. I don't think your comments on BT make you look any better. However, if you were just voting huh what for information (which you say later in that post is untrue..) and you think BT is actually attacking you, you should vote BT instead. The best information is voting scummy people for being scum.

##Dropkick from Hell: Serela <--- I WILL FORM THE WILL OF HATRED AND SOMEDAY IT WILL KILL YOU SERELA
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:32:44 AM
Except I think that Hh What's unexplained Wagon hop after his wagon pushing failed is more scummy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 10:37:28 AM
I'll give you that I forgot to factor in the fact that you were in a rush and as such less likely to analyze things. There goes most of my reasoning.

Still, what I said about your voteblock interpretation stands, technically. Even if you were wrong about huhwhat being blocked, you still thought that was the case, and, despite your key words, that line very much delivered the message that you thought his "silly assumption" suddenly had a base. Was your vote solely for information? If that's the case then this admittedly makes more sense (but you can't fault me for thinking it was serious).

You're free now, right? What do you think about other inhabitants of cityville?

By the way, I did not want to "have a go at you" by telling you to use your vote. Rather, I wanted you to use your vote. #_# I'd also like you to consider things before you tell me that I was "sitting on a parked vote", as the explanations are all there and I was actually trying to make up for the brief lack of scumspects at the time (by, you know, contributing to the discussion).

I also gave up on the Sheeping Serela thing (yes, that's what I was trying to do). It was basically my attempt to see what a manually "stronger" vote would make him do, considering people had reasons to suspect him at the time that I could not reject. Of course he had to snooze up and away but it's the thought that counts.

I'm tempted to unvote but let me think this over. I think my main concern remains that you're not really thinking things over that you call scummy. I'll wait for a fresh post seeing as I still have no one else (fun times).

Shadoweh:
Unless you want to tell me who my vote should be on?
Like, we all love Serela, but reasoning where?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 10:43:07 AM
Oh yeah, obligatory "it's okay! :D" comment wrt Validon. Shenanigans are afoot as a group of scummy individuals attempt to blend in. Who do you think is up to no good?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
Votecount

huh what(3): Serela, Bardiche, Raikaria
Schezo(3): Affinity, huh what
Serela(1): Schezo
BigBangMeteor(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~65.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Dormio is Schezo's amazing 3 vote beatdown a typo?

Oh, if you're offering to proxy your beautiful, sexy vote to me, Serela hasn't said enough to determine his actual scumminess yet. Voting for him is the easiest way to make him squeal like a pig for me though. Honestly not bbeing able to vote makes me feel detached. If I were to vote someone right now, it would be one of:

huh what: Because his vote switch to Schezo was bizzare and he has to realize that.
Affinity: Even if it's not conclusive, his reasoning to vote Schezo was like slipping in unobtrusively.
Serela: FEELS GOOD MAN

I would seriously want to vote Validon out of principle though. i don't know if Neko would deserve votes since he doesn't appear to have posted.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 10:51:08 AM
No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.

Okay... I'm not a newbie to Mafia, I'm a newbie to how you guys run Mafia. It's radically different. 0_0
And, I'm trying to follow the conversation, but I lost it somewhere about page 2. Someone's voteblocking someone, people are accusing each other of being scummy, and I have given up on making sense of it all. And this is the norm, I assume? At this point, all this conversation has done is make me even more willing to just not vote and wait until the next day, because I'm still confused.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
Schezo hasn't done enough to determine if voting for him is a good or bad thing to be honest, but I expect that to sort itself out. That's just where I'd start questioning.

Validon: Are you from Epic Mafia? There's alot more talking in our mafias, and alot less roll play. You need to vote though, because we are down one person! If you don't want to use it yourself, then be my Divine Hand of Serela Smiting. Look at his face, it must be lynched. BELIEVE IN ME MY SON.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:54:24 AM
I did not mean for my line that I highlighted to sound like it was a certainty. I meant it to sound like a possibility. That is just a communication barrier, probobly due to my hurried nature, and if you tripped over that... well, at least you were not misrepping me on purpose.

Other inhabitants... well, I'll also include summaries of people I've spoken about. Bear in mind there's not *that* much to go on:

Huh What: His name is what I think of him right now. Or more specifically, his voteflip. Want more info, think it's suspicious as it stands because he flipped to a growing wagon with no reason.
BT: Well this is you. Your most recent post explaining things improved my opinion somewhat, but I'm still not happy with your early stuff I've already said. Still, early days, can easily change opinions.

Shadoweh - Getting a lot of null vibes. Typical Shadowmeh. Seems to pop up and say a little something then pop way again moments later. Most recent post is good as a voice of reason I guess. Also curious if the voteblock is part of Shadoweh's role and she's just pretending she thought she could vote. But that's just a few leaps of possibility too many to be making this early. And by a few I, Raikaria, mean a lot.

Also don't like how Shadowmeh has neglected to answer:
Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.

Unless this is somehow an answer and I don't understand:
Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.

Serelelea - Aside from 'Don't let the space cat thing live until LYLO', Serele is fine. Especially now that whole voteblock thing is sorted.

NNR - Post moar

Schezo - Null. Post moar. I don't get what makes people think he's scumz.

BigBangMeteor - Probobly town. Wait... *eyes narrow* is this the dude who was playing Pride last game?

Validon98 - Just showed up. Null.

Raikaria - Me. Obv Town. According to my ~* totally unbiased opinion.*~

Bardiche - *~Logic~* man. Needs to post more to counteract my Chaos and scatterbraining.

Affinity - Post moar. Explain why you're voting Schezo because I don't get it. Would vote for the same main reason as HW right now.

Silent Shaman - Like #81 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975917.html#msg975917) in general. Not much else to go on.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 10:55:16 AM
Dormio is Schezo's amazing 3 vote beatdown a typo?
It was, and has since been rectified.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:58:54 AM
Most recent post is good as a voice of reason I guess.

By this due to cuts I mean this post:
No, and it's not the idea of the game to figure out what roles exist. Try talking about what people have been doing and why that might possibly be scummy. You have a bad case of the newbie and it is usually fatal.

BT: I think it's patent pending. I'm not pointing and laughing at it, other then the actual error.

Raikaria, you're being a little too defensive. I don't think your comments on BT make you look any better. However, if you were just voting huh what for information (which you say later in that post is untrue..) and you think BT is actually attacking you, you should vote BT instead. The best information is voting scummy people for being scum.

##Dropkick from Hell: Serela <--- I WILL FORM THE WILL OF HATRED AND SOMEDAY IT WILL KILL YOU SERELA
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 11:01:13 AM
Validon: Are you from Epic Mafia? There's alot more talking in our mafias, and alot less roll play. You need to vote though, because we are down one person! If you don't want to use it yourself, then be my Divine Hand of Serela Smiting. Look at his face, it must be lynched. BELIEVE IN ME MY SON.

To answer the question, yes (although I've only played one game and I'm currently also part of another), and to answer your request, no, I'm not blindly voting Serela without getting a grasp of the situation. Oh, and I'm going to have to go to school about now, so I'm not going to be able to follow the conversation for a couple more hours because school filters.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 11:03:13 AM
Shadoweh - Getting a lot of null vibes. Typical Shadowmeh. Seems to pop up and say a little something then pop way again moments later. Most recent post is good as a voice of reason I guess.
I'm insulted considering I've probably already posted more then I did as my beautiful charming beautiful amazing self. Also because I'm literally having a running conversation with BT right now so I'm notably not just popping in and leaving? And I personally think my answer was MAXIMUM.

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Schezo - Null. Post moar. I don't get what makes people think he's scumz.
Being Schezo
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BigBangMeteor - Probobly town. Wait... *eyes narrow* is this the dude who was playing Pride last game?
I'm pretty sure you knew the answer to this!
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Validon98 - Just showed up. Null.
Do you think he could be scum faking not knowing how to post?

Honestly I think Rairai sounds townie enough for keeping the discussion going. You should probably stop double spacing everything though, it makes your posts harder to read. At least put all the player opinions together?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 21, 2013, 11:05:23 AM
To answer the question, yes (although I've only played one game and I'm currently also part of another), and to answer your request, no, I'm not blindly voting Serela without getting a grasp of the situation. Oh, and I'm going to have to go to school about now, so I'm not going to be able to follow the conversation for a couple more hours because school filters.
:<
To be honest you should do that. Before you go though you should still vote -someone- even if it's just through a gut feeling. Even Epicmafia works on voting until things happen, doesn't it? Just vote the person you think sounds worst without thinking.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 21, 2013, 12:32:26 PM
Prod (?) dodge, I will finally be able to look all this over in 5 or so hours. Had to sleep early, have college to go to (I don't expect this to affect availability too much), will be back after my single morning class.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 12:32:39 PM
In addition, your behavior is not seeming any better to me. I pointed out what I disliked before, but maybe not clearly. You were doing a lot of ~posting~ but nothing useful, and sitting on a parked vote... while having a go at me for my joke vote when I was in a rush [Although admittedly I had not explained as such, but you kept going on about it even after I explained]

Now you're at least attempting to seem useful... but voting based on bad logic and misrepping what I said.

This entire post has a lot of excessive bad reaction but this part is the worst and I don't wanna quote the whole thing. I don't think people were accusing Raikaria enough to merit that kind of outburst.

Huh What's votechange doesn't look scummy to me but it would still be nice if he would elaborate beyond just "I agree with this".

I'm insulted considering I've probably already posted more then I did as my beautiful charming beautiful amazing self. Also because I'm literally having a running conversation with BT right now so I'm notably not just popping in and leaving? And I personally think my answer was MAXIMUM.

You had posted but a lot of your posts were kinda fluffy before the last few.

I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.

Like, for example, this seems like excessive simplification.

##Unvote

##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
Votecount

huh what(3): Serela, Bardiche, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, huh what
Serela(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~61 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 01:20:41 PM
Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.

I'd prefer you just straight-up answered requests instead of trying to be cute.

BT, I'm not sure I follow you. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975935.html#msg975935) you say Raikaria is scummy for... blindly mentioning everything you do is scum. The acronym we use here is 'OMGUS'. Why would scum declare everything you do scummy? This is not a logical venture. I do like your follow-up, but I'd like to know why you think it's scummy of Raikaria to think you're scum.

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##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.
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Like, for example, this seems like excessive simplificationmisrepresentation.

My beef is with the presentation that "there must be a voteblocker" and "it must be Serela" as a means to push hard a wagon on someone. My reasoning is not founded in protecting someone but that the logic used to attack is faulty and founded from nonsense and speculation. Also, the irony of me defending Serela, haha.

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Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.

Yeah, that's a lot better than "must be the voteblocks".

##Unvote

I'm not at all fond of Raikaria providing a wall of reads so early in the game, when it's justified to read just about everyone as null. Speaking of reading people as null.

##Vote: Affinity

GUT! I also think his only post looks more like he's trying to have an opinion on the things that transpired even though he effectually has no opinion. Might as well have jokevoted and it'd have been as valuable to us as his current vote.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
Raikaria: My post was set up in a way that you could easily find the relevant Serela posts yourself. Stop being lazy just because it gives you a bullshit case on somebody.

Kay, why does Bard's defense have scum intent in context?

I don't think any of the actively posting players are the scums right now. Parked my vote on Schezo because I don't like empty unvotes and voting a null read is more likely to provoke a reaction than leaving my vote on the guy I didn't think was scum anymore. Looking at the thread again, though, my vote would probably be better on ##Unvote ##Vote: Affinity because him being on Schezo with that case at least shows a lack of reading comprehension when Townies Care More?.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
IMO Raikaria is town, but this is an ED1 read so.

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My beef is with the presentation that "there must be a voteblocker" and "it must be Serela" as a means to push hard a wagon on someone. My reasoning is not founded in protecting someone but that the logic used to attack is faulty and founded from nonsense and speculation.
This pretty adequately explains why I reacted how I did. It's like the old communi-I mean witch hunts.

Now let's see what actual cool stuff has happened!

Validon (this is me making sure it isn't lost in a sea of words), don't worry too much about the actual voteblocking stuff. It -seriously- isn't going to be helpful for finding who is and is not scum. You say you're not a complete newbie to mafia, so I won't try to school you much, but try not to worry about hard evidence (Hint:There will be very little until we get a scumflip, and maybe barely even then) and just vote someone you can find a reason to think is BSing their posts or something! Or, at the least, just on gut. That's better then not voting  :3

Affinity's "I don't get why Schezo has the same opinion as me, #v0te Schezo" is weird, yeah. (Plus I'm not interested in small logic lapses occuring inside of the voteblock logic circlejerk, that sort of stuff is how you get pointless d1 "victim" lynches)

Oh hey, after HW's cut I could even vote him and officially turn this into a sudden Affinity flashwagon out of fucking nowhere.

I came into this post wanting to reread BT and find real reasons to vote him, because I had some gut about it from my initial read of things, but after the reread I still don't have much more then "ehhh I don't exactly like this but it's not -really- bad or anything nor can I find any specific reasons I don't like it, I might just be being silly".

##Vote Affinity

Bard can I be your new Shadoweh?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:47:37 PM
##unvote ##vote affinity
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
Oh hey, after HW's cut I could even vote him and officially turn this into a sudden Affinity flashwagon out of fucking nowhere.
Why couldn't you have voted him before this?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 02:54:25 PM
The point of the line was "lol sudden flashwagon" not "oh now it's possible for me to vote him"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:54:45 PM
yeah ok

For what it's worth I also think Affinity's vote is flimsy. Even if he finds Schezo's logic about the voteblock (nevermind that in context his post has nothing to do with Schezo???) questionable he's not doing anything to extract further information if it's just a disagreement or explain why the logic is scummy otherwise.

Didn't pick up on it until this morning, but whatever. Retroactive sheeping.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
Raikaria: My post was set up in a way that you could easily find the relevant Serela posts yourself. Stop being lazy just because it gives you a bullshit case on somebody.

Sonanoka~?

ok

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.

Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.

Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.

I fail to see where you spell out which Serela posts make YOU think Serela is town. I o not have the abilty to read your mind.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 02:58:39 PM
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Bard can I be your new Shadoweh?

You understand I always consider Shadoweh to be a hinder to town and scum even when she flips green, yes?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
The point was that you should be reading Serela's posts yourself, but what I was getting at is that he thought the voteblock resolved n0 when that obviously wasn't the case, only to correct himself afterwards.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
The point was that you should be reading Serela's posts yourself, but what I was getting at is that he thought the voteblock resolved n0 when that obviously wasn't the case, only to correct himself afterwards.

I did, that's why when I initially called you out, I said that I saw no real change in Serela's posts and overall feeling I had of Serela at any point. Which is why I failed to see what Serela did that suddenly flipped your opinion... for me, Serela always gave the same impression.

And jumping on a building wagon as a random unvote is bad and something you shouldn't do. That was the 3rd vote on the Schezo wagon, and we only need 6 to lynch this game.

Those two factors together are why I voted you. Now at least I know the Schezo vote was 'random', albeit, foolish.

At this point I would vote Affinty but I don't want to put him at L-1 this soon without him even getting to actually post.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 21, 2013, 03:09:49 PM
Kay, why does Bard's defense have scum intent in context?

Because that's a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts imo.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 03:10:31 PM
You understand I always consider Shadoweh to be a hinder to town and scum even when she flips green, yes?
...nevermind

Although I think some people feel that way about me already! <_< >_>
I can be helpful BEFORE lylo comes around, some! D:

Shaman, response to Bard's reaction?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 03:17:30 PM
...nevermind

Although I think some people feel that way about me already! <_< >_>
I can be helpful BEFORE lylo comes around, some! D:

I thought last game you were an exceptional player. That should say enough. (Aside from your LYLO antics.)

Because that's a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts imo.

I don't consider "your accusation is illogical" to be any more extreme than "your vote was taken by a voteblocker and Serela is the voteblocker who reflexively voteblocks".
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
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And jumping on a building wagon as a random unvote is bad and something you shouldn't do. That was the 3rd vote on the Schezo wagon, and we only need 6 to lynch this game.
Who gives a fuck if they get 3/6 votes in RVS? no one would instahammer less than 24 hours in the day.  Stop being melodramatic.

Real post coming.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
Was under the impression we were kind of out of RVS...
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 04:10:28 PM
we're out of rvs but no one would hammer anyway
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 21, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
Also I think the fact that all the recent votes are on someone with like two sentences to their name, voting someone who had only like one sentence, from the very very beginning of the game, says something about where we are right now.

Scum aren't generally active talkers d1 anyway so it's not like this is bad, but.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 04:44:09 PM
Also I think the fact that all the recent votes are on someone with like two sentences to their name, voting someone who had only like one sentence, from the very very beginning of the game, says something about where we are right now.

Scum aren't generally active talkers d1 anyway so it's not like this is bad, but.

I must say that seems to be a fair point.

The meta of MotK is that we end up lynching someone active and contributeing D1 because they actually have ~content~ to use against them and they almost always end up town.

The one time we didn't do that was last game, and lo and behold, it was scum. [It was also IHNN however so the value to that experiment is debateable]. Because the active townies usually get lynched D1, scum tend to just lurk through D1 nowadays.

And... it's not LYLO yet. Serela doesn't usually mess up games until LYLO.

And it's not like Affinity's only post is even good.

Ah whatever

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinty
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 04:52:02 PM
I'd like to point out that Affinity is at L-1 according to my observations, so exercise caution when you think to vote, next person.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 21, 2013, 04:53:23 PM
In fact, I'd rather make sure no accidental hammers occur. God knows we've had plenty of derps before.

##Unvote

Further I note Raikaria doesn't seem to be voting Affinity as someone who's scum but just as someone who's popular? Care to clarify?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Pesco on May 21, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
Votecount

Schezo(1): Affinity
Serela(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (3): NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Bardiche
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~57 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 04:55:39 PM
I know I was putting Affinity at L-1, I even stated that was I reason I was holding out on voting my my post before.

Further I note Raikaria doesn't seem to be voting Affinity as someone who's scum but just as someone who's popular? Care to clarify?

Wrong. I'm voting Affinity for lack of activity, MotK Mafia meta, and the fact that his only post isn't even a good one at all, it's pretty bad-looking.

The existence of a wagon was the only reason I hadn't voted Affinty sooner.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
I dislike Kay's vote on Bard because in her previous posts, she sort of just analyzes unrelated things and then tacks a vote for Bard at the end despite not having said anything about him before, IIRC. Plus, I don't really think that Bard's defence was as extreme as she makes it out to be. She's also said a lot more stuff about Raikaria- what makes Bard worse than that?

Speaking about Raikaria, I don't really see the point of his mini-listpost, as it mainly just has some weak scumreads and a bunch of null/townreads. His vote on Affinity is also not very good because the main reason for it is a vote for an inactive disguised as "using MotK mafia meta". What makes it worse is that we're less than 18 hours into the game, so he can't even be really classified as a lurker yet.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
Is asked by BT to give reads.

Everyone else moans about it. I find it amusing that people are complaining about me fulfilling someone's request. [And I get the feeling of Deja Vu too, people vote me, ask me to explain/do something, and then others jump on me for doing it]

And no, it's not disguised. This is how pretty much every MotK game plays out, people discuss stuff throughout D1, and people lurk through the whole day. The people discussing get lynched as they turn on each other, and the people lurking happily sit back and watch town kill itself.

Seen it happen enough times that I'm willing to put someone at L-1 for non-contribution for this period of time.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 05:52:45 PM
Affinity is the least frequent poster out of the nonlurkers on this site.

I'll pitch in fully when I'm not preoccupied.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 06:04:21 PM
Oh wait, I can reply to that. I didn't tell you to give me a full list of reads that is visibly unhelpful. A few lines on the few people you did have an opinion on is what I asked for.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 21, 2013, 06:09:26 PM
Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 06:10:17 PM
Well that was again, a misunderstanding.

Still, I feel what I raised on people I actually had something to say about was OK, particularly Shadoweh, and her Bardiche question thing.

Speaking of, I wonder when Shadoweh will give a straight answer to that.

Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.

AtE? No. I was stating Deja Vu and a previous identical event.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 21, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Blegh, head is swimming. Read through the topic, but as is typical, I'm not good at this game until I've either reread a few times or gotten interactions myself.

I've liked Shadoweh's reactions the least so far, and so full of typical shadoweh overhype,

##Vote: Shadoweh. At least I can avoid getting Shadoweh's gender wrong for at least one post
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 21, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Affinity is voting me for sharing his opinion.  UGUUU.
I feel like he's just being rode right now for lack of content and one lackluster vote so I'm not too interested there.

Pretty sure Raikaria is derp overreacting because he keeps going back and explaining inconsistencies so I'll wait for more content to decide what's really going on with walls a few hours into the day.

##Unvote:
##Vote: SilentShaman

Let's get the real maflord.
120 a post with some reads and quotes for everyone but the guy you're voting.  I'd think you'd elaborate on why Bardiche was scum for X rather than take a shoddy stab at him.  Hell it would have seemed fine for me if you just went for one of the people you elaborated on rather than the person you sent a oneliner at.

Quote from: BBM 145
I dislike Kay's vote on Bard
I'm going to assume Kay is SilentShaman.  Yes?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 07:16:02 PM
Well, I just got back and read through this, and to be honest, unless Affinity says something else, I don't really know whether or not to trust him. Then again, I don't know who to trust, and the fact that I can only be on this site for a few hours everyday unless it's the weekend really makes it difficult for me to follow the conversation. Oh, I'd love to follow it and try to make sense of it all, but time is not on my side. Hopefully tonight will be different?
But anyways, Schezo's last post seems a bit scummy and forceful to me. I mean:
Let's get the real maflord.

I don't know about anyone else, but that seems a bit off to me. You guys did say to go with a gut feeling, and this is what I got right now besides Affinity.

##Vote: Schezo
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 21, 2013, 07:32:37 PM
Votecount

Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, Validon98
SilentShaman(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): SilentShaman
Raikaria(1): BT
Shadoweh(1): NekoNekoRex
Not voting (2): Bardiche
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~54.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 09:03:30 PM
BT, I'm not sure I follow you. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975935.html#msg975935) you say Raikaria is scummy for... blindly mentioning everything you do is scum. The acronym we use here is 'OMGUS'. Why would scum declare everything you do scummy? This is not a logical venture. I do like your follow-up, but I'd like to know why you think it's scummy of Raikaria to think you're scum.
I was accusing him then of painting the easy-to-point-out "weird stuff" as scummy. He also added the rest of my actions to the bin ("he voted Schezo and did some other things etcetera") which supported my idea that he didn't give a second thought as to what he was saying. To make things simple, it's just the thing I'd have expected from scum to exploit.

Bard, current thoughts on huhwhat?

RE: Affinity votes. Did you guys miss my interpretation? I don't think his post was something special and those votes won't achieve much until he comes back (a while, esp. at time of voting) so I'm meh at all this.

IMO Raikaria is town, but this is an ED1 read so.
Due to how your post is structured I have no idea where this comes from. Please share your wisdom with me. (or at least just the posts)

Raikaria's jump to talking about lurker lynches in #140 is a general "what the hell" moment. It's like the Affinity vote was weak on its own so let's lynch the "lurkers" yay. Will stay tuned, hopefully a verdict tomorrow.

Blegh, head is swimming. Read through the topic, but as is typical, I'm not good at this game until I've either reread a few times or gotten interactions myself.

I've liked Shadoweh's reactions the least so far, and so full of typical shadoweh overhype,

##Vote: Shadoweh. At least I can avoid getting Shadoweh's gender wrong for at least one post
Boy or girl?

It would be nice if you were to show us what you dislike about her reactions. I am Not Seeing It At All and I assume others can relate.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.

I dislike Kay's vote on Bard because in her previous posts, she sort of just analyzes unrelated things and then tacks a vote for Bard at the end despite not having said anything about him before, IIRC. Plus, I don't really think that Bard's defence was as extreme as she makes it out to be. She's also said a lot more stuff about Raikaria- what makes Bard worse than that?

Speaking about Raikaria, I don't really see the point of his mini-listpost, as it mainly just has some weak scumreads and a bunch of null/townreads. His vote on Affinity is also not very good because the main reason for it is a vote for an inactive disguised as "using MotK mafia meta". What makes it worse is that we're less than 18 hours into the game, so he can't even be really classified as a lurker yet.
Why is Affinity a better vote than both of these people?

If NNR doesn't have a better post by the end of the (RL) day explaining what's wrong with Shadoweh's reactions then he's vigbait.

BT, what do you think about how Raikaria treats the theories about Serela being the voteblocker? It's the main reason I'm reading him as town. At the very least, he's not the voteblocker.

Validon: Schezo's "real maflord" line is rhetoric, not really related to intent. What do you think about the actual reasoning behind his case, and what do you think about the wagon on Affinity?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 09:55:05 PM
Eh, can you directly quote what triggered that? I just read through his posts and I'm not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
Waaaait a second!


There's no Huh What. Maybe his conclusion jump wasn't so jumpy! Either someone is framing Serela with a movable voteblock or this is fishy.
I don't think Raikaria or Serela would have thought to fake townslips about not knowing how the voteblock seems to work (note that I wasn't actually blocked at the time). I'm certain the block comes from scum at this point too; if a townie fired off a block at Shadoweh that early then their literally a idiot irl.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
I'm cool w/ a Kay lynch by the way, her vote on Bard's Serela defense seems to ignore the actual rationale behind it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 10:19:09 PM
Ehhhhhhh, I don't think that's a "fake townslip".

...Wait.

If he's scum and (presumably) that means he's aware of the nature of the role, if he genuinely misread the votecount he'd have doublechecked to see if something as bizarre as a huhwhat block had transpired before making a fool out of himself (or at least that's how I'm going to think). Which implies that he's more likely to have faked the misunderstanding... which is unlikely. Way too out-of-the-box and nothing to justify said out-of-the-box-ness, especially if he was in a hurry.

I think that's good enough.

##Unvote Raikaria, ##Vote uh

Uh

Off the bat, Schezo, Bard, Shaman. Then Affinity and NNR with NNR over Affinity. I'm actually not sure who I'd prefer out of the first three and I was just about to call it a day.

I'll dedicate some more time to figuring this out while I get this post out of the way.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 10:20:43 PM
Wait, what about the option of Shadoweh having the affecting role and acting like she doesn't? (for some reason? haven't really worked this out and her avoiding the questions so far only complicates matters, seeing as I think she's town)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 10:22:13 PM
if you dont want to vote affinity then vote user SilentShaman shes also mafia

i'd be interested in hearing a bard case though since i don't see anything that makes him scummy. schezo i don't have any real problems with but he could easily go either way...

Cut: Yeah, I thought that too but I don't find Shadoweh's actual content scummy so I haven't been pushing it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 10:23:46 PM
NNR is town btw, as scum he'd have bullshitted up some reads because it's easier than actual scumhunting in this gamestate and he's too prideful to make a post that bad as mafia.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 21, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
A self-inflicting townie would still work with the 2-man scumteam scenario you mentioned. Assuming Shadoweh has some role-related reason not to reveal that etc.. I mean it'd be really cool of her to debunk this right now. <_<

A case on Bard would be... I'm not sure. I guess I haven't been happy with his content but now that I look at it I can't seem to be able to point at anything. Or maybe it's the fatigue. We'll see.

Eh, sure.

##Vote SilentShaman

If only because I can see the "really extreme defense" point being an attractive safe argument for scum. Even if she'd stayed a while longer to argue the point it doesn't require much arguing because an opinion is an opinion is an opinion.

You sure about NNR? Can't scum!him bullshit that Shadoweh read along with the general out-of-it attitude (which is going to affect your play as any alignment)?

Schezzy, no opinion on anything else?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 21, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
Ugh... re-reading myself I look like a complete bull-headed moron.

Like I usually do on D1. Where did my Dio game go?

I think the thing is I'm trying *too* hard to find someone I can confidently peg as scum, and then tunnel them somewhat. I'm also relying too much on my past experiences and ~meta~ which I don't know much about. Not to mention I'm over-jumping at argument flaws which turn out to be mere misunderstandings.

All the box talk about my misreading of a votecount is making my head hurt guys @_@.

NNR is town btw, as scum he'd have bullshitted up some reads because it's easier than actual scumhunting in this gamestate and he's too prideful to make a post that bad as mafia.

Unless that's what he wants you to think!

Nah just kidding this seems like typical NNR play.

##Unvote[/b]
##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.

I guess this is the part of SS's #120 you dislike. I agree, it's not really a reason to vote Bard. The wagon on Serela was silly, Bard is a Voice of Reason. Maybe a song.

Still waiting for Shadowmeh to clear this up:

Therefore it is unlikely this is an outside source. I'd like Shadoweh to clarify what she knows about this, however.

I'd prefer you just straight-up answered requests instead of trying to be cute.

While Bardiche may be able to decode Shadowmeh cuteness, I cannot, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Now, if you'll excuse me it's 11:44 pm, it's too late to re-read anymore and come up with a coherent new case, and I want to give Affinity more time to... do something. I'll leave my vote where it is for now and come back refreshed after my sleep~
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 21, 2013, 11:08:54 PM
nnr's post can be faked, but it's substantially easier to bs scumreads while "out of it" than scumhunt for real and i just think he's too self-aware to make that post as scum attempting to coast

not the most convincing case but it's how i'm reading him after mulling it over.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 21, 2013, 11:48:19 PM
I got asked about the wagon thing, and to answer that, I agree with the wagon, it's just I feel like just saying "I'm voting for Affinity" would be jumping on it without a thought, and I thought that would make me seem scummy. Of course, I've been unable to follow everything because real life keeps me from accessing this site, so pardon me for my lack of contribution to the conversation, but things happen.
Also, I know it's rhetoric, what was said, but I just feel like it's a tiny bit scummy. His logic is sound, though, so I'm not sure. Again, as I've already said, I don't really know who to vote for because my head is still trying to wrap around everything.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 12:02:23 AM
if you're town, then lynching scum is more important than not looking scummy
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
The problem is I don't know who is scum and the conversation isn't really giving me any clues. At this point, it's probably better just to jump on the bandwagon, not ask questions, and pray we didn't hit a townie, because you guys seem to be metagaming a bit and I'm unfamilar with everyone, so guess who has the least clue about everyone?
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

Also, how do we know that anyone got blocked? Because I keep hearing about people getting blocked and I'm still a little confused on that. Is anyone still blocked? ???
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 22, 2013, 12:24:22 AM
Validon:Because Shadoweh has no vote, nothing happens if she tries to vote, votecounts say only 11 votes in play but we have 12 players, etc

I'm sad I didn't bring up the SilentShaman thing because I thought her Bard vote was bad but I wanted to wait on her reaction to Bard's response.

She's posted since then but she ignored it. :I

Totally okay with people voting her right now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 22, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
I am sighing.

Hold on.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 22, 2013, 12:38:34 AM
It's 'k Affinity, I would be too. Just keep in mind we've got like 48 hours left!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 22, 2013, 12:40:29 AM
Why am I suddenly at L-1 now for one measly post.  So sad.

Voted Schezo cause he still voted Serela even despite the null voteblock thing.  Didn't understand why he maintained his vote.  Effectively a votepark until his recent change to SilentShaman etc.  Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Is bad logic now a lesser reason in mafia than gut?  Can someone get off me?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 12:42:47 AM
that makes sense. vote on you was less "gut" and more me misinterpreting your vote, and while i don't think you're clean or anything i'm content switching to this
##Unvote
##Vote: SilentShaman
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 22, 2013, 12:46:35 AM
That's good! But now for the up-to-date content.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 22, 2013, 01:34:44 AM
Waffling on Prims- I still think he's trying too hard and jumping around a lot, but I think it's more town-motivated because IIRC he was down a few days ago about how his recent games haven't been that good. He might be trying to overcompensate? He's also had some good points I think, so townish for now.

Prims- I kept my vote on Affinity earlier because I don't normally like changing votes even if something else is scummier until my original target responds.

I've seen Affinity's defence and I don't accept it. At the time of his vote, it was still mostly RVS and looking at the most recent votals at the time of the vote, the votes were mostly RVS still. Schezo's vote hadn't become a votepark at that point. And since he didn't think the voteblock said anything about Serela, it doesn't have any effect on whether or not he should have kept his RVS vote there. Affinity is retroactively fitting reasoning that didn't apply at the time. My vote stays here.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 01:39:03 AM
Oh wait, this brings up another question (thank you newbie tendencies). RVS? Retroactive vote switch?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 22, 2013, 01:46:27 AM
RVS=Random Vote Stage. This is where the game starts.

Retroactive means going back and doing it now when you didn't do it before. Uh, I think.

Dislike BBM's response to Affinity because Affinity's vote was also more or less an RVS vote itself, and didn't exactly need a fabulous reason. Not that I don't think Affinity's vote still isn't kinda odd. Waiting on Affinity's caught-up post.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 01:53:52 AM
Alright, got it. It really does feel like that at this point. Sorry for all of my questions, but again, I'm only played one full game of Mafia and it wasn't like this, nor was that term ever used. Now these conversations make a bit more sense. ^^;
I'll try to stop asking questions from now on and actually focus on the game.
Also, yes, that is what retroactive means.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 22, 2013, 02:13:14 AM
Random vote stage was at the veeery beginning when people were voting Serela for being the reason behind the town's loss last game. We're no longer in RVS, so if you think our votes still seem random, then something's wrong.

I wouldn't have a problem if Affinity had admitted that his reasoning at the time was flimsy- him going and giving it a reason that simply didn't apply at the time (or at least, could have been applied to a bunch of people) is what is scummy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 22, 2013, 02:40:54 AM
actually, yeah, I am going to need to drop out until I can get a hang of this schedule. When I can get online, I tend to be half asleep.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 22, 2013, 02:42:29 AM
Boy, I can't blame anyone.  This D1 isn't easy at all.

Main issues: On SilentShaman, I'm not too keen on the reasons for voting him.  Yes, his Bardiche vote was rather hasty and provocative compared to his other alternatives, but as scum he could have easily selected those other people instead.  Whether these suspicions amount to anything remains to be seen, but yeah.  People like Schezo need to give something a bit more I think.

Raikaria is being too verbose and spread-out for me to like him despite his thought processes and votes showing through.  I'm not even sure if I get his change from huhwhat to me, on the basis that 'now at least I know that your vote on Schezo was random', whatever that means, given that he voted huhwhat for the voteswitch in the first place.  Could Rai explain this?   But verbosity is usually a town-tell perhaps.  His italics are really bleh.

BBM is being quite one-dimensional in his vote for me, he does state things on other people but these have little flow.  For example, in his assessment of Rai, he does not consider his sizeable tirades against BT and huhwhat, only noting that his vote against me as based on meta (which is incorrect), and that his list was reportery (easily attackable).  This strikes me as a bit superficial and fluffy, trying to appear current (blurbs on huhwhat, Kay) while maintaining a vote on me.  He doesn't even continue the line of questioning with regards to him despite Rai's reply, diverting into saying AtE is bad.

##Unvote
##Vote: BigBangMeteor

While his initial callout against me is good enough, I'm disheartened by his reaction to my defence.  Schezo voted Serela for the disappearing vote semi-RVSly.  He then seems to acknowledge that the voteblock has no bearing on his alignment.  So where did the reasoning in his vote go?  A votepark is not a time-based thing, it's based on a disappearance of current reasons to vote someone.  Also, saying that you would have accepted if I admitted my reasoning is flimsy is odd; problems don't go away like that.

Lastly, there's Shadoweh and Validon, who are probably going to be wildcards today anyway. 
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 22, 2013, 03:04:52 AM
actually, yeah, I am going to need to drop out until I can get a hang of this schedule. When I can get online, I tend to be half asleep.
HELLO FUTURE ZAKERI :D
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 22, 2013, 03:07:14 AM
It's my first week of school in three years, and two of the days force me to take four thirty-minute bus rides between the city and town.
Plus getting a handle on school work isn't going to be easy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 03:18:46 AM
Waffling on Prims- I still think he's trying too hard and jumping around a lot, but I think it's more town-motivated because IIRC he was down a few days ago about how his recent games haven't been that good. He might be trying to overcompensate? He's also had some good points I think, so townish for now.
What does posting this paragraph accomplish at all?

nnr is dum
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 22, 2013, 04:49:12 AM
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.
It's probably still 3 mafia. I agree about Raikaria's  reaction seeming genuine. I think it's kind of weird actually for you to throw out this opinion since voteblocks on MOTK have never been allowed to be used in LYLO so they don't really affect the layout.

On Curse of the Youmu Avatars, I have to admit I don't see Bardiche's activity as defending Serela. I agree with the logic he's presenting, also I don't think scum!Bardiche could joyously shout GUT! I still liked SilentShaman's posts, but I don't see pressing for more to be bad. You two seem to know her better, what's she normally like?

I know Neko is subbing out (and actually have symphathy for the draining effects of two hours on the bus), but Huh what considering some of his scum posts are you sure he wouldn't post a random attack on me if he thought it looked good?

I'm trying to think of a reason I dislike Affinity's L-1 reply beyond 'feels fake'. He does tend to sound depressed if he's suspected, I just don't see it as genuine.
Main issues: On SilentShaman, I'm not too keen on the reasons for voting him.  Yes, his Bardiche vote was rather hasty and provocative compared to his other alternatives, but as scum he could have easily selected those other people instead.  Whether these suspicions amount to anything remains to be seen, but yeah.  People like Schezo need to give something a bit more I think.
I don't think anyone has issues with it being a provocative vote, more that SS voted someone they had less reasoning to vote, for a reason that doesn't quite jibe with what was happening. Also, if you think Schezo needs to give something a bit more, why stop attacking him? I mean, you even have this to say about him:
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While his initial callout against me is good enough, I'm disheartened by his reaction to my defence.  Schezo voted Serela for the disappearing vote semi-RVSly.  He then seems to acknowledge that the voteblock has no bearing on his alignment.  So where did the reasoning in his vote go?  A votepark is not a time-based thing, it's based on a disappearance of current reasons to vote someone.  Also, saying that you would have accepted if I admitted my reasoning is flimsy is odd; problems don't go away like that.
Admittedly I wouldn't want to try and push a case on the logic that reasoning for a semi-RVS vote disappeared either. But it sounds like you don't like his current vote either, especially since you disagree that SS is scummy.

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Lastly, there's Shadoweh and Validon, who are probably going to be wildcards today anyway.
also what does this even mean? :V I can't be a wildcard, I have no vote to go crazy with!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 22, 2013, 07:38:49 AM
Is asked by BT to give reads.

Everyone else moans about it. I find it amusing that people are complaining about me fulfilling someone's request. [And I get the feeling of Deja Vu too, people vote me, ask me to explain/do something, and then others jump on me for doing it]

Bad argument. If you're told to be active, and post scummy stuff, people complain about it, because you fulfilled their request in a scummy way. If you're told to give reads, and give a lot of null reads, it's the same kind of thing.

Shaman, response to Bard's reaction?

It's not bad, but... well, maybe that was the reason he did it, maybe not.

Also, my issue with Bardiche wasn't that he complained about the Serela wagon, It was how much of his content was just about that. Possible scum intent being either to look good for defending a mislynched townie, or to try to save a scumbuddy.

What does posting this paragraph accomplish at all?

nnr is dum

I assume it is because he was suspicious of you before, and he's explaining his change of opinion so that people don't bug him later about what happened to his scumread on Huhwhat.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 22, 2013, 08:03:33 AM
Votecount

Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, Serela, Raikaria, Validon98
SilentShaman(3): Schezo, BT, huh what
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Bardiche(1): SilentShaman
Shadoweh(1): NekoNekoRex
Not voting (1): Bardiche
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~42 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)

NekoNekoRex needs to be replaced! Here's your chance to join if you missed it earlier!
If no suitable replacement is found by the end of the day, the slot will be modkilled.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 22, 2013, 08:24:50 AM
It's not bad, but... well, maybe that was the reason he did it, maybe not.

Also, my issue with Bardiche wasn't that he complained about the Serela wagon, It was how much of his content was just about that. Possible scum intent being either to look good for defending a mislynched townie, or to try to save a scumbuddy.
Do you still have the same issue with him now? People are going to want an updated opinion out of you, along with whether you still think he's worse then Raikaria considering you keep bagging on him. What you think of Affinity is important too right now.

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I assume it is because he was suspicious of you before, and he's explaining his change of opinion so that people don't bug him later about what happened to his scumread on Huhwhat.
Wasn't this quote about him having a scumread on huh what though?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 22, 2013, 01:35:58 PM
Zakeri replaces NekoNekoRex effective immediately.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 22, 2013, 01:39:18 PM
Schezo needs to be replaced too! Aren't you lucky? Another chance to join Rewrite Mafia!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Schezo on May 22, 2013, 01:39:52 PM
I'm really sorry everyone.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 22, 2013, 02:42:47 PM
Raikaria is being too verbose and spread-out for me to like him despite his thought processes and votes showing through.  I'm not even sure if I get his change from huhwhat to me, on the basis that 'now at least I know that your vote on Schezo was random', whatever that means, given that he voted huhwhat for the voteswitch in the first place.  Could Rai explain this?   But verbosity is usually a town-tell perhaps.  His italics are really bleh.

Basically my mind got tied up too much in ~*MotKTown Meta*~ where the active during D1 are pretty much always town and the inactive lurkers are usually the scums.

HuhWhat just put his vote on Schezo for the sake of putting his vote somewhere because he didn't like the Serela vote anymore. I never said I agreed with him putting his vote on someone in a way that put him at halfway to being lynched, however. Also I thought stressing points in italics would help. Evidently not.

And Affinity, the meta argument isn't exactly incorrect. Look at DEFCON mafia and the postgame for it in particular. I think GHW was similar but not as bad.

I'm trying to think of a reason I dislike Affinity's L-1 reply beyond 'feels fake'. He does tend to sound depressed if he's suspected, I just don't see it as genuine.

That's called gut Shadowmeh.

And when are you gonna give a straight answer to a somewhat important question Bard asked you, and then asked you to give a streight answer to? [And Then I backed up the call] I've posted the quotes asking you this more than enough in other posts, calling for you to answer in a way people can actually understand.

It's kind of an important question. Evading it and ignoring calls to give a straight answer isn't cool, and makes me suspicious that your voteblock is self-imposed as part of your role, or maybe even a gambit, and the former we really should know. It helps us know if this is scum-controlled or self-imposed. The longer you evade the question the worse it looks, to the point I feel I should poke you for it now.

##Unvote
## Vote: Shadoweh


Not quite following what's so bad about BBM or Shaman in general, except Shaman voting Bard for 'defending' Serela from a silly wagon.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
Affinity pleasures me.

##Unvote

SilentShaman, I do have some problems with your continued attack over an early game point by now. We have seven pages and a lot of things have happened, clinging to Serela from ages ago is absurd. To start with, at the time I posted the only thing that had happened were the Voteblock accusations and RVS. I abhor RVS and given a chance not to participate in it, will not participate in it. What's more curious than blaming me for talking about a current event is the timing of you doing it.

This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976029.html#msg976029) is when you vote me. However, your previous post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19130) does not mention me, despite being a good 20 minutes after I had posted, and thus my posts should have been clearly visible. Between that post and you voting me, I had not posted at all. Your vote had been on BigBangMeteor until you moved it.

What changed between those two posts that suddenly made it scummy, and why was it not scummy for other people to talk a lot about the voteblock thing?

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Possible scum intent being either to look good for defending a mislynched townie, or to try to save a scumbuddy.

My troubles with this line are twofold. One, you're assuming Serela was in danger of being lynched. (He wasn't.) Two, you're proposing Serela and I are scumbuddies. On Day 1. Just out of RVS.

##Vote: SilentShaman

Sticking to this absurd Early Day 1 case with no further involvement in the game and blatantly ignoring the recent proceedings has all the makings of scum trying to park their vote somewhere and lurk actively throughout the day.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 02:58:10 PM
FWIW, even if I try to look at you as town, I can't consider it townie to stick to a case multiple people have said they were not convinced by and which you have not taken the time to update by analysing my latest content and finding anything to contend with them. If you truly thought I was scum and cared about it, and are a Good TownieTM, I think it'd have been reasonable you would've done at least that much.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 22, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Affinity pleasures me.

Context~

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Serela, why do you have a scum role?
Something so blantantly charged, based on information nobody had (and still doesn't exist), and attempts to put ideas about how roles work into the town's minds to potentially mislead them.
The way HW acted was more in line with a scum minded voteblock than anything else it could have been.

SilentShamen's case is bad, and it looks bad that he's being lazy with it, but I'm not fully convinced. Will probably switch if he keeps getting lazy.

Don't see the case on Schezo, Looks Like Affinity is dying down now that he's had the chance to explain (I probably would have been on the wrong side if I had been this invested before his post, so I'll let the wagon off.)

I like Shadoweh, I think he's pretty cool~ :V

Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.
This wouldn't actually be a bad thing compared to how it is now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 22, 2013, 04:41:33 PM
Super Pro Tip: Always forget to vote
##Vote: Huh What
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 22, 2013, 04:44:23 PM
First off, apologies. Having some internet issues that should hopefully be resolved soon. My activity might be spotty until then.

@Affinity- I would have accepted you saying your vote was flimsy because that was the time of the game. You making it out to be something greater than what it was is what is scummy. How does the voteblock being a nulltell cause the RVS vote reason to disappear? To him, it was just something that didn't matter or affect his vote in either direction.

As for your vote on me, not everything someone does has to be scummy. I'm going to point out the stuff I see as suspicious, not dredge up the stuff that doesn't affect my opinion of that player much in either way.

Prims- earlier I said you were slightly suspicious, and then I changed my opinion on you with more or less the same type of posts that I'd thought were weird earlier. I thought it was worth saying.

I still find Kay scummy, but I don't like Affinity's defence or offence and people seem to have dropped off Affinity for lame reasons IMO.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
Context~

PLEASES. I MEANT PLEASES. AAAAH
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
I would have dropped off at this point as well if not for the existing drop-off. Such is life when you're at the busiest time of the year and it takes you a few days before d-day to fully realize that fact's implications.

AKA activity will be minimal, will not have time to read things, will skim through things that have happened in a bit.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:08:06 PM
I'm happy enough with Shadoweh to go with my first role theory about her being a self-imposed voteblock who can't (or shouldn't) talk about it. bastardly elements inc.

If that's the case then I dropped Rai for nothing but, uh, yeah. Rai, your voting Shadoweh for this seems like another one of those 'weird first, scummy later' things that made me vote you originally. I mean, saying that her ignoring the question necessarily equals scummy when the option of self-imposed + bastard has been mentioned already, seems like a votepark here. huhwhat, Shadoweh, since I (now) officially have no time for this, can you help me figure this out? Rai's response to the voteblock doesn't scream -town- to me if it's not a scum utility and so far he's been mediocre. (huhwhat is also a townread - originated from that post that asked me to reconsider Rai)

I'm liking Bard's Shaman vote and I feel confortable leaving my vote there at the moment.

If I had more time it'd be dedicated to reading a bit into Affinity vs BBM. Didn't really parse the latter's response all that well.

Zak's case would have been good for post-RVS but not for this stage and there's no sign of him looking at the rest of the happenings / huhwhat's other posts. Entrance Bad.

BBM, do you have some beef with the people that dropped Affinity? The reasons for dropping are lame why? (the wagon in the first place was weak & lame (W&L) so... yeah)

PLEASES. I MEANT PLEASES. AAAAH
Cute.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:14:47 PM
...If this is minimal activity then the rest of you slackers don't have an excuse for the rest of the day. :V Things slowed down a bit.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:20:27 PM
I've been silent because at this point, I can't gleam anything from the conversations. People are switching votes left and right and instead of seeing any of it as scummy, I just see it as a bunch of confusion. That combined with the fact that I'm not on for a few hours everyday leads to sudden bunches of conversation I have to pick through. I've lost the flow of the conversation, I don't know what the hell is going on anymore, and at this point I'm just not going to change my vote because I've lost track of everything. I'd need like a flowchart or something before I can figure things out. And it's not because I'm new to this, it's just that I can't pin anything down necessarily as scummy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
Also, I'd like to know why the hell you thought the wagon was weak, BT.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:27:45 PM
I wouldn't go out of my way to say it was "weak" but that's certainly how I feel about it in the general sense. Most of the voters were on it for minimal reasons (to be fair it was hard to find something solid at the time, but that doesn't change the fact) and it was based on one ill-elaborated post.

Why the hostility? What do you think of that wagon?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Oh right, you're voting Affinity.

The problem is I don't know who is scum and the conversation isn't really giving me any clues. At this point, it's probably better just to jump on the bandwagon, not ask questions, and pray we didn't hit a townie, because you guys seem to be metagaming a bit and I'm unfamilar with everyone, so guess who has the least clue about everyone?
##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

But there's none of your opinion here. We're like a rl day later.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:32:38 PM
And I forgot to actually reply to your first post.

You don't have to force yourself to find scummy things in everything. You're looking at the game wrong if you're town - I'd tell you to think about what scum would do in this situation but you have z->0 experience soooo just have a wide array of opinions on the current wagons imo, so we can get an idea of your own alignment. What do you think of the Shaman wagon, for example?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
I personally did not want to jump on it at first because I felt it would just seem like I was jumping on without adding much. At this point, I don't even know if I should be on it anymore. I should really just go through and reread everything in the thread, but I honestly don't want to. Of course, by not rereading it, I won't understand everyone's reasons for who they are voting for (they all mention certain posts about how they act, but that doesn't clarify a whole lot for me because I don't remember every post).
I'm not trying to be hostile either, I just wanted a little bit of clarification. I have absolutely no idea what's going on right now, so I'm not really being hostile towards anyone. I'd probably be able to better contribute if I actually understood what the hell was going on.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Also, about the Shaman wagon, I don't know either. I'm lacking the context which everyone is voting him on for.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:39:24 PM
Your best bet for understanding the thread is, well, reading the thread. People "explain what's going on" by causing the goings on. You're gonna have a hard time playing mafia if you don't want to read the thread, that's pretty much fundamental.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:40:33 PM
But you guys are all quoting like one post. There's seven fricking pages here. Where the hell is this post everyone keeps using as evidence against Shaman?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 08:43:11 PM
So for example you can get your own opinion on the Shaman wagon by checking the arguments against her, then checking if they hold water by reading what they're talking about (basically factchecking), then also checking the other wagons and establishing a mental priority list. This is probably hard to parse but if you read the thread it'll all come on its own I think.

Cut: Uh, I don't think it's "one post", but the arguments are about the Bardiche vote (and handling of) and why it's likely to come from scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:44:35 PM
Okay, I found the post Bardiche used that mentions the two seperate posts... except the link to the second post that doesn't mention Bardiche in Shaman's defense is broken, so... yeah. Time to dig through this fricking kudza thread despite the fact I should be doing other things right now. >.<
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 08:48:01 PM
I still like my vote being on Kay. She rests her vote on Bard and responds to questioning about it, but she doesn't really consider any further content of Bard's or attempt to push her case. It makes the vote look like it's just there so that we think she's Doing Stuff. Bard's recent post put it pretty nicely.

@Zak: I made the post blatantly charged on purpose in hopes of a more telling reaction. The theorized role could've belonged to town or scum imo.

@BT: Don't know what to tell you, aside from the voteblock reaction Raikaria generally gives me townvibes. Rather than worry about whether Shadoweh has some bastard restriction I'd rather just hear her state her take on the reactions to the voteblock.

Would probably vig Validon due to how much he's playing up excuses / confusion.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
Actually give me the chance to read the fucking thread. Then I'll give my opinions. I'm not playing up my confusion. This is real, because I've only been able to passively glance at the thread without actually giving a lot of thought to it. Give me a goddamn break.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
Also, Affinity, your reasons for dismissing the case on Kay ignore a lot of what's actually suspicious about her; namely, doing little to actually push the case on Bard, poorly justifying why his defense has scum intent, not keeping up with the rest of his posts, etc. I mean yeah scum could've voted somebody else, but that doesn't mean there's no reason for scum!Kay to have voted Bard.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
Still would like Kotarou to nameclaim, btw.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
I personally did not want to jump on it at first because I felt it would just seem like I was jumping on without adding much. At this point, I don't even know if I should be on it anymore. I should really just go through and reread everything in the thread, but I honestly don't want to. Of course, by not rereading it, I won't understand everyone's reasons for who they are voting for (they all mention certain posts about how they act, but that doesn't clarify a whole lot for me because I don't remember every post).
I'm not trying to be hostile either, I just wanted a little bit of clarification. I have absolutely no idea what's going on right now, so I'm not really being hostile towards anyone. I'd probably be able to better contribute if I actually understood what the hell was going on.

It's this that makes you proper vigbait. Regardless of alignment, if you don't understand what's going on and don't want to actually read the thread, you're playing up your confusion by giving a condition to clear for you to understand what's going on and by then declaring you rather not satisfy that condition.

You're of no help to town so long as you keep posting about how you don't understand anything.

Regardless, the post I talked about is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976029.html#msg976029); I accidentally linked SS's profile because -> show all posts is the RiI tool of choice.


Going all ragey isn't appropriate at this point. There's been eight pages and you haven't been able to give content beside "everything confuses me" (dumbed down). At this point, even if you aren't new, you might as well be considering you don't seem to understand how to play the game (at least here). At MOTK, such people get to LYLO and are taken advantage of by scum. For town, it's advantageous you die before LYLO.



Also huh what you voted Affinity after I did and now say you agree with my case on Kay (SS I assume?). You're not trying to buddy to me, right? D: (I'm not Kotarou!)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
Kay is SilentShaman, yeah. 12 characters are a bitch to type when somebody also has a 3-letter nick. Also your case on her said most of what I wanted to say this morning before I actually said it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Okay, from what I understand of the Shaman wagon, he (she?) voted Bardiche because of "hard defending Serela," and that was it. No explanation. That does seem a bit scummy because it was not giving a lot of time for a response considering by then, the whole Serela debacle should have been over. In fact, it was over. So that does in fact seem suspicious.
There's also huh what. I read all of the conversation related to asking exactly why there was a sudden switch from Serela to another person (Scherzo, iirc), and yet I never saw huh what give a strong defense. All of the "defense" was merely a sentence or two that didn't really prove anything. So that makes me suspicious as well.
At this point, I'm not going to give a vote, but I'm getting off of Affinity's back for now until something else pops up.
##Unvote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 09:22:47 PM
Also, LYLO?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
Also, LYLO?

... Are you honestly a veteran Mafia player?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 09:26:53 PM
I said I played one game, and that was never used.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 09:29:32 PM
yo Bard, how are you reading BBM?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 22, 2013, 09:38:36 PM
You Only Live Once
LYnch or LOse

He played some one epicmafia game.

I'm feeling okay about his first effort.

Time to snooze? Time to snooze.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 22, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
Votecount

SilentShaman(3): BT, huh what, Bardiche
Affinity(2): BigBangMeteor, Serela
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Bardiche(1): SilentShaman
Shadoweh(1): Raikaria
huh what(1): Zakeri
Not voting (2): I have no name, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~28.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)

I Have No Name replaces Schezo effective immediately.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 22, 2013, 09:42:01 PM
IHNN/Kay double wagons imho.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
Sticking to this absurd Early Day 1 case with no further involvement in the game and blatantly ignoring the recent proceedings has all the makings of scum trying to park their vote somewhere and lurk actively throughout the day.

This line. After looking through more stuff on Shaman, this is why I'm suspicious. Shaman hasn't even come up with a really good defense for the vote on Bardiche. It was something about the whole Serela thing that should not matter at this point. The whole voteblocking debacle is over. And Shaman hasn't said squat about recent stuff, so you know what?

##Vote: SilentShaman

You wanted me opinion on the wagon? You got it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 22, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
I said I played one game, and that was never used.

Then please say you are a newbie to this, because you're pretty much a newbie at one game. And that's all right! It's totally okay to be new. Just remember that holding hands is a null tell, both scum and town gain from it.

Basically, LYLO means Lynch or Lose (LYnch or LOse). It's a state of the game when there is one more Town than Scum, or Scum can effect two kills at night... either way, you must lynch scum or else lose the game. It's important for scum to keep clueless newbies alive until that stage, because you're easier to impress and goad into voting Townies to effect a mislynch. This happens to everyone at some point.

I'm pretty sure Validon is Town. Like, 98% sure. Scum would instruct their buddy and Validon looks like he'd be moping pitifully in the scum QT for people to tell him what's going on. I also don't think he's so cunning a scum he'd fake it. He reminds me a lot of Serela, without wanting to shoot him in the face during RVS.



yo Bard, how are you reading BBM?

Not too terribly bothered by him. His persistence to Affinity seems like someone who REALLY wants Affinity dead and I'd imagine scum to be less solid on lynching one person. Of course, if that behaviour persists it's an easy votepark and excuse to tunnel. Scum stand to gain a lot from that ease.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 22, 2013, 10:28:33 PM
Then please say you are a newbie to this, because you're pretty much a newbie at one game.

I did. When I joined.

Quote
Well, I've played one game of Mafia before, just on another forum. And even though I'm signed up for another game on there, I'm willing to play two games at once. ^^;

What's worse is that "one game" was an Epic Mafia-style game, so this kind of game is absolutely new to me. And don't think I'm going to let people hold my hand. I've had to take care of a lot of rl stuff recently, so my head hasn't been entirely in the game, hence my confusion. If I was completely focused on just this, I'd be less willing to let people convince me what to do. I'm not stupid. I trust no one at this point, but unlike some people, I'm less likely to throw out a random lynch because I'm worried I'm going to hit a townie. Given the odds, my fears are justified.

tl;dr: I've not been able to focus on this, so don't jump to conclusions that I've been faking my confusion.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 22, 2013, 11:58:41 PM
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Zak's case would have been good for post-RVS but not for this stage and there's no sign of him looking at the rest of the happenings / huhwhat's other posts. Entrance Bad.
It's basically the case I wanted to push but couldn't because I wasn't in the game yet. The other stuff that happened since then doesn't seem as important to me.

Quote from: Validon98
How do I read thread?
There's a lot of corners you can cut if you know how to do so. If you're looking to refer to a single person, you can just read only that person's posts. If you're looking for vote changes, just bounce between votecounts and search between where the change happens. Reasons are also usually in the vote post or surrounding the post, and if you can't find the reasons in those posts, you can ask them to reexplain their case. People will also link directly to the post most of the time to make it easier to read.

Quote from: Huh What
I made the post blatantly charged on purpose in hopes of a more telling reaction. The theorized role could've belonged to town or scum imo.
The thing is that you seem more interested in targeting roles. You also seemingly pushed a case based on a ton of logical leaps that don't follow in order to trip up Serela. It feels pretty jarring to put the blame of something that was clearly a separate action onto something that happened in the thread.

Quote
Still would like Kotarou to nameclaim, btw.
Also, super wary of this.

The way Bard reacts to Val is offputting, but not indicative of alignment to me. I do agree with his assessment as of post 229
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 12:09:21 AM
Thread reading advice.

Duly noted. I just want to say that based off of how you've all been reacting to my posts, you think I'm just someone who'd listen to what people say without thinking. Well, you confused my lack of focus on the game for that kind of stupidity. I will say again, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS ON THIS THREAD MUCH. So don't think for a moment I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I was just behind everyone else information-wise. Now I'm not. So there you go.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 23, 2013, 01:10:22 AM
Just got here, haven't exactly had time to read thread yet (I skim every post in a game I'm not in once).

IHNN/Kay double wagons imho.
This is bad.  Person with no content to their name and new player (decision on if their play is scummy or not to come when I have time to catch up) gets nowhere fast and looks like trying to push "easy" lynches.  Just an initial feeling, we'll see if it lines up with the rest of his play thus far.

Will have actual content post by tomorrow evening, hopefully tonight.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 01:11:57 AM
it was a joke. because youmu avatars.

also Kay isn't really a new player, she's been playing mafia (though probably at a lower level) on another site for at least a year
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 01:14:43 AM
also Kay isn't really a new player, she's been playing mafia (though probably at a lower level) on another site for at least a year

And who implied that she was? Don't worry, this has nothing to do with any suspicions I have, it just seems out of nowhere. ^^;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 01:35:09 AM
Oh, and speaking of being a "new player," I was asked earlier if I was "from Epic Mafia." I said yes, but I didn't realize at the time that Epic Mafia itself was a forum board. No no, I'm also a member of the Talkhaus, and they have some Epic Mafia-style games going on there. I'm sure no one really cares, but I wanted to clear that up for whatever reason. You can ignore this post if you want. ^^;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 01:51:41 AM
huhwhat, Shadoweh, since I (now) officially have no time for this, can you help me figure this out? Rai's response to the voteblock doesn't scream -town- to me if it's not a scum utility and so far he's been mediocre. (huhwhat is also a townread - originated from that post that asked me to reconsider Rai)
I thought his response was townie enough. I think it's more likely for a townie to try and figure out a role, because they're lacking in information, then for scum to do more then flail their arms and go WHAT'S GOING OOOOOON AAAA \O/

Also it's five days too soon to devolve into nameclaims and role shenanigans. Last time I was the protagonist, there was a scum looking to turn them into a third party lover, so there's precedent for it being a bad idea to say who that is. (I also just noticed huh what claimed PGO. Role shenanigans that got lost in other shenanigans!)

Awh Validon is growing up. We'll believe you through results, just don't tell us about how much focus you didn't have. Information!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 01:56:20 AM
Validon: IHNN did in the above post.

Shadowmeh, thoughts on the Kay wagon right now? not like you can vote her but lol
also what do you think of the less suspected players, like me, bard, bbm and hell, even zak. your thoughts seem kinda unmemorable this game, maybe it's because you have no vote.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 02:00:25 AM
Validon:You being new is okay, but please stop going "Oh my god I'm new stop being mad at me!" every time someone posts :c Half of Page 8 of the game consists of this. Okay, if I was being literal, maybe one-third, but still. It's okay though, we forgive you :D

Somehow I thought more was going to happen while I was at work.

So guys, you know what's hilarious? The reason I'm about to
##Unvote ##Vote SilentShaman
is pretty much exactly what Validon said. Bard defended himself with reasons that make complete sense in a townie perspective, Shaman more or less ignored it as much as possible, and hasn't really talked about anything else; certainly not anything very relevant apart from a few small pokes at Raikaria.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 02:03:21 AM
I realized it only takes 6 votes to lynch on D1 for once, that Kay already had people on her, and had just gotten another vote before mine...

This post was very nearly "ROFL WHOOPS that's a hammer uhhhhhhhh >_>;;;; WELP."

But yeah Kay is at L-1.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 02:10:07 AM
There's only one vote before the hammer drops? Huh. That escalated.
Validon:You being new is okay, but please stop going "Oh my god I'm new stop being mad at me!" every time someone posts :c Half of Page 8 of the game consists of this. Okay, if I was being literal, maybe one-third, but still. It's okay though, we forgive you :D
I was already going to, geez. And, I don't want to hear anything like:
Awh Validon is growing up.
=_=
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 23, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
Votecount

SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Bardiche(1): SilentShaman
Shadoweh(1): Raikaria
huh what(1): Zakeri
Not voting (1): I have no name
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~23.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 02:49:14 AM
Shadowmeh, thoughts on the Kay wagon right now? not like you can vote her but lol
also what do you think of the less suspected players, like me, bard, bbm and hell, even zak. your thoughts seem kinda unmemorable this game, maybe it's because you have no vote.
I don't know her well enough to tell if it's good or not. 3/4 of those people you asked about are on her wagon, so I'm sure that can't be a coincidence. I think BBM sounds different then he did as Pride. I think you're town all the time anyways honestly that the future will tell with you, I'm not sure what to think of you. And I do think Bard is town right now. I think I said as much earlier. Even if he is a huge jerk. And Zak just got here so patent pending? I had a huge town read on him last game so I'm feeling cautious.

Serela considering what Validon said was about her stuff eons ago what changed to make you vote her now?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 03:34:32 AM
Kay's meta is to sparsely post quote walls. I don't actually have much of a handle on the difference between her play as town as scum; last time I was town in a game with her as mafia she was barely able to post for a majority of them. imo her actions here are just scummy regardless of meta.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 03:35:17 AM
..."them" being the day phases, no idea how I botched that
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 04:02:16 AM
Shadoweh:I was waiting to see if she'd respond properly to Bard, and also for my current vote at the time Affinity to catch up with the game.

After Affinity's Catch-up post and Kay's response to Bard I more or less haven't properly paid attention to the game until now. This is mostly because sleep -> work.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 23, 2013, 04:15:05 AM
I still like my vote being on Kay. She rests her vote on Bard and responds to questioning about it, but she doesn't really consider any further content of Bard's or attempt to push her case. It makes the vote look like it's just there so that we think she's Doing Stuff. Bard's recent post put it pretty nicely.

@Zak: I made the post blatantly charged on purpose in hopes of a more telling reaction. The theorized role could've belonged to town or scum imo.

@BT: Don't know what to tell you, aside from the voteblock reaction Raikaria generally gives me townvibes. Rather than worry about whether Shadoweh has some bastard restriction I'd rather just hear her state her take on the reactions to the voteblock.

Would probably vig Validon due to how much he's playing up excuses / confusion.

Because when I responded to that, his further content didn't change my read on him.

It was something about the whole Serela thing that should not matter at this point. The whole voteblocking debacle is over.

If someone does something that looks suspicious, it should be considered after whatever provoked it is over. If the intent of something seems scummy, that's not something that should be ignored or dismissed as being "over".

I don't know her well enough to tell if it's good or not. 3/4 of those people you asked about are on her wagon, so I'm sure that can't be a coincidence. I think BBM sounds different then he did as Pride.

Think about it, then, instead of just using meta.

Do you still have the same issue with him now? People are going to want an updated opinion out of you, along with whether you still think he's worse then Raikaria considering you keep bagging on him. What you think of Affinity is important too right now.
Wasn't this quote about him having a scumread on huh what though?

Not at this point, because he's been posting stuff not about the Serela wagon or my vote on him that looks reasonably townish. Affinity doesn't look good IMO.

"townish for now" doesn't sound like a scumread to me.

This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976029.html#msg976029) is when you vote me. However, your previous post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19130) does not mention me, despite being a good 20 minutes after I had posted, and thus my posts should have been clearly visible. Between that post and you voting me, I had not posted at all. Your vote had been on BigBangMeteor until you moved it.

What changed between those two posts that suddenly made it scummy, and why was it not scummy for other people to talk a lot about the voteblock thing?

My troubles with this line are twofold. One, you're assuming Serela was in danger of being lynched. (He wasn't.) Two, you're proposing Serela and I are scumbuddies. On Day 1. Just out of RVS.

Nothing changed. I was just rereading the thread, and hadn't paid attention to it or something before that.

I'm not suggesting you're scumbuddies. I was suggesting you're either scumbuddies or you were defending a townie you thought would be mislynched for towncred.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity


I'd rather lynch Raikaria but I'm a bit suspicious of Affinity anyway, and don't think anyone else would get lynched in this much time. So yeah, Not Me Over Me.

btw claiming nilla
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 05:22:05 AM
I expected Shaman to expand more on his side priorities rather than just act defensively without elaborating on his Bard vote (or his new vote on me).  Just to clarify, I thought the line of questioning against SS was valid, I was articulating why I did not really buy into the wagon (also Bardiche was a target unlikely to get lynched).

His recent posts have been a bit disappointing actually, and I don't see what that clumsy not me over me (without reasoning to convince ppl) should achieve if my vote would lynch him.  I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.

===

@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more.  Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.

@Shadoweh: As I said I wasn't against the SS vote in general, just that I felt that it was quite hollow Schezo's only relevant content to date.  Speaking of hollowness, you, Validon, Schezo, Serelai, seem to fit the bill this D1.  Maybe it's because of your lack of vote or sth.  You seem sort of detached from everything.

@Raikaria: Why so jumpy?  Why suddenly lash out at Shadoweh for, of all things, not answering a question instead of returning to your old suspicions.  For all your words, you still seem like you are merely going in and out of the flow with the appropriate reasoning without true backing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 06:30:35 AM
Something rubs me wrong about Affinity's post there.
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I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.
What's this even supposed to mean? I can only read it in one way but I'd like Affinity to explain.

Also a bit weird he on one hand says he can agree to an SS vote, but then votes the one SS says she rather wants to lynch (and then she delves into a pointless Not Me Over Me thing when there's more than enough time to swing a wagon onto someone). If you think he's scum you wouldn't vote with him, right? ???

I'm keeping my vote on Shaman despite that as she's trying to get off easy here with "the content read scummy" and not elaborating. I've pointed out why I take issue with it: Accusing me of only talking about Serela and the attack on him when it was the only thing at the time that happened is absurd, and there were others who also predominantly talked about Serela at the time. Just what is it that made me unique from them in a scummy way?

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I'm not suggesting you're scumbuddies. I was suggesting you're either scumbuddies or you were defending a townie you thought would be mislynched for towncred.

So you're suggesting we're scum buddies. OR that a Townie would get mislynched based on RVS shenanigans. I already highlighted both these possibilities and they are both ridiculous assumptions to make during early Day 1, because NO ONE gets lynched in RVS, Huh What's reasoning was ridiculous and making scumpairs on Day 1 is doubly ridiculous. This line of reasoning only stands if Serela was in actual danger of getting lynched.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 08:16:31 AM
Affinity- gj brushing me off without actually responding to what I'm saying at all. That was possibly the scummiest thing you've done to date. You also completely misrepresent my stance on other players. I said clearly that I thought that both Kay and Rai were still scummy, just that I thought you were worse. And then I explained why I thought my vote was better used on you rather than those two. I am in no way fence sitting. You also tell me to "get with the times". Earlier you said I was only commenting on recent stuff. So am I with the times or not? And why are you unvoting me? You don't seem to indicate any lessening of your suspicion of me. You say you're okay with lynching either me or Kay... and then you go on to vote Raikaria. Your vote is even more suspect because you're telling me to talk about today's viable targets while you vote for somebody who at the time had no votes for them.

I'm still up for lynching Rai, but not Kay so much anymore because I don't think that scum claim Vanilla unless they don't think there's much of a chance they're going to get lynched, which is clearly not the case here. Scum want to incite some sense of panic with the thought that town may be mislynching a PR- a lot of people feel safer lynching a Vanilla claim just on grounds of it being Vanilla.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 08:21:28 AM
Scum can claim VT if they think a wagon on them will dissipate later, and when they do, it's usually a while before deadline (from my experience).
Also, outing a counterclaim D1 isn't worth it in a 2-man scumteam, which I'm still 99% sure we have.

That said I need to reconsider Affinity and Raikaria anyway. Will do so tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
I also think that Shadoweh seems to be coasting on the fact that she's been voteblocked. Additionally, considering that voteblocking someone D1 doesn't really accomplish much at all, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia took a chance to give one of their buddies towncred by targeting them with such a scummy ability.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
If your theory of two two-man scumteams and a third is correct, you're talking about 7/2/2/1 which is dumb and imbalanced (IMO) when we know that Vanillas exist.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 08:32:08 AM
what the fuck I never said anything about multiple scumteams or an itp, only 2 scum with a day voteblock
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 08:33:10 AM
I am like 95% sure you mentioned two scumteams and a third
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 08:37:07 AM
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.
Why is Affinity a better vote than both of these people?

If NNR doesn't have a better post by the end of the (RL) day explaining what's wrong with Shadoweh's reactions then he's vigbait.

BT, what do you think about how Raikaria treats the theories about Serela being the voteblocker? It's the main reason I'm reading him as town. At the very least, he's not the voteblocker.

Validon: Schezo's "real maflord" line is rhetoric, not really related to intent. What do you think about the actual reasoning behind his case, and what do you think about the wagon on Affinity?

Okay, I mistook "two mafias" to mean two scumteams when upon looking more closely at the exact wording, you just meant that the one team had only two members. You did still mention a third though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
oh, right

w/e 9 vs 3 with a voteblock makes it ridiculously hard for town to lynch scum if they don't bus
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BT on May 23, 2013, 09:01:41 AM
Deathly low on time today. Shaman's post doesn't change much imo and I have to agree with what people are saying on Affinity's latest posts. This is where I'd usually differentiate between Rai/Shaman/Affinity but, uh, welp.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 09:29:59 AM
Also a bit weird he on one hand says he can agree to an SS vote, but then votes the one SS says she rather wants to lynch (and then she delves into a pointless Not Me Over Me thing when there's more than enough time to swing a wagon onto someone).
I'm not sure this is true for people who aren't familiar with our deadline antics. However, look at how the votes are spread right now and you can see why SS would push for a wagon, ANY wagon besides them.  I don't disagree with your vote since this isn't why you're staying on her though. I do think the wagon spread right now is.. unhealthy. I think SS should just vote Raikaria and make a better case on him if they think they can.

I also think that Shadoweh seems to be coasting on the fact that she's been voteblocked. Additionally, considering that voteblocking someone D1 doesn't really accomplish much at all, I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia took a chance to give one of their buddies towncred by targeting them with such a scummy ability.
It's really funny you accuse me of this because I had a conversation with Kilga about it after Pride's flip, about how scum sometimes suggest doing that but never go through with it due to pansiness. It makes me wish I had done it to myself for townie cred. I don't think as scum I would do something wonky again after how much that screwed my team last time. >_>

If I seem detached it's because I am detached, the day doesn't need my input at all to proceed, and I don't have a solid scumread to pursue, nor a townread on the two current wagons that I'd defend to the death. I am collecting a pretty vase of townreads on BBM, Bard, Validon and BT.  I was going to read up on Serela but I got sucked into reading about some nutrition drink made of people.

Scum can claim VT if they think a wagon on them will dissipate later, and when they do, it's usually a while before deadline (from my experience).Also, outing a counterclaim D1 isn't worth it in a 2-man scumteam, which I'm still 99% sure we have.
Does it really seem like the wagon is about to dissipate though? There's literally no counterwagon. I guess this is awhile for our last minute standards. Does SS usually claim VT?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 09:37:13 AM
So you're suggesting we're scum buddies. OR that a Townie would get mislynched based on RVS shenanigans. I already highlighted both these possibilities and they are both ridiculous assumptions to make during early Day 1, because NO ONE gets lynched in RVS, Huh What's reasoning was ridiculous and making scumpairs on Day 1 is doubly ridiculous. This line of reasoning only stands if Serela was in actual danger of getting lynched.
He doesn't have to be in danger of being lynched for you to defend him though, I think that's an unfair thing to say. She's just suggesting you were buddying up to Serela. (I think it's ridiculous because I would NEVER DEFEND SCUMBUDDY SERELA AGAIN but still.)

Think about it, then, instead of just using meta.
Without using meta your posts come off as if trying to do too much and not having enough substance on one subject to dig into. We don't need your answer to every single thing, we just need to know what's important to you and why it's important, in preferably paragraph form. I can't tell whether you're scum or if it's just your writing style that comes off as disjointed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 23, 2013, 09:41:38 AM
We didn't go through with the self-silence in the last game because the Janitor and Rolecop were more important as far as gathering info went, and then on N3 and N4, doing it would have meant forgoing a NK. I'm also unfamiliar with your last time as scum so I don't know how that'd be likely to affect your thought process on something like that.

To the best of my recollection, I can't ever remember Kay claiming VT as scum in a closed setup. I also can't remember her ever actually being a VT either (except in an all-vanilla game, which doesn't count), so idk what to say about that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:43:38 AM
@Raikaria: Why so jumpy?  Why suddenly lash out at Shadoweh for, of all things, not answering a question instead of returning to your old suspicions.  For all your words, you still seem like you are merely going in and out of the flow with the appropriate reasoning without true backing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

My old suspicions were no longer relevant. Why would I return to an irrelevant vote?

Last I checked evasion of a pretty important question is a pretty scummy thing. Shadoweh is also, as mentioned recently, sort of coasting with minimal input [By Shadoweh standards] because of this voteblock.

I've not really agreed or understood the reasoning for the BBM or SS wagons that much either, so I wasn't jumping on them. Again, why would I vote for people for which I don't see anything that looks particularly scummy?

How can you accuse me of 'going with the flow?'. Last time I checked there had to be a flow to go with. I see no flow towards Shadoweh.

Also note Shadoweh is still evading the question, even after I've voted for her. How hard is it to say 'Yes the voteblock is self imposed?' or 'No, it's not?' The longer Shadoweh evades this, the more likely it seems like she knows something about the voteblock that she does not want to share with us. And since a voteblock is usually a pretty scum-controlled thing... I think my vote is justified after 2 or 3 IRL days of Shadoweh refusing to answer this simple, yet important, question.

In fact to be honest after a period of hesitation and evasion this long, I probobly wouldn't trust what Shadoweh says if she answers anyway. It's just all the evadeing looks really, really scummy when you add in 'She may know something she dosen't want town to know, which is why she's evadeing'.

So... do you still think I'm lashing out at Shadoweh for no reason? Is this vote worth voting BBM or SS both of whom you express feeling of being scum as well?

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@ Silent Shaman VT claim stuff:
Except it's D1. The mafia have no clue what power roles are in the game. They could very easily claim something that gets counter-claimed, which will usually ensure their lynch. [As they were the half already thought as scum]

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@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more.  Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.

This is bad too, saying you're not reading what people are saying. Last I checked, you were still a wagon with reasons to lynch [Especially after your most recent post]. If BBM feels you are still the best lynch, how about you don't accuse him of fence-sitting. Especially when getting off that 'fence' onto the only person with more than 1 vote would be a hammer.

Or were you attempting to convince BBM to hammer SS without you having to?

Because at that point, you were just as 'viable' a lynch with 1 vote as 4 other people. The only more 'viable' lynch was a hammer.

The only thing that line looks like is an attempt to bully BBM into hammering someone, without you looking responsible for the flip [As you would not be voting him].

I think that's worse than Shadoweh's evasion.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Note the Votals at the time of Affinity's Post:


SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(2): BigBangMeteor,  SilentShaman
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Shadoweh(1): Raikaria
huh what(1): Zakeri

My error. No-one's as viable as Affinity at that point, I forgot Silent's vote. Still, if anything that makes my point even stronger. If Affinity isn't a viable vote, who is? Only Shaman, who's at L-1.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 01:20:12 PM
We didn't go through with the self-silence in the last game because the Janitor and Roleclop were more important as far as gathering info went, and then on N3 and N4, doing it would have meant forgoing a NK. I'm also unfamiliar with your last time as scum so I don't know how that'd be likely to affect your thought process on something like that.
Read all about it here! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.0.html) tl;dr Shadoweh+Serela+Zakeri scum, we poisoned someone to set up a vigilante claim for Serela, he got lynched Day 2 before the 'extra vigilante kill' could happen, which was on a doctored target in the first place and never would have happened. Also the actual vig shot me. :< Also see: Edible's signature (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19). I was also actually in a game where we had a voteblocker and considered using it on ourselves here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.0.html) (Anonygame so none of the names will match unfortunately). We chickened out. :V

I'm sure I can find more games to wordvomit on you if I try hard enough. :D

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To the best of my recollection, I can't ever remember Kay claiming VT as scum in a closed setup. I also can't remember her ever actually being a VT either (except in an all-vanilla game, which doesn't count), so idk what to say about that.
So don't you think it's weird that if she's scum she plopped down a completely unexcited 'nilla claim? This game likely has at least one token VT or three.

..Rairai, I doubt Affinity was telling BBM to hammer SilentShaman. You're literally saying that it's scummy of Affinity to tell someone voting him to consider targets other then him. Of course he's going to want his voters to consider other people.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 01:52:17 PM
..Rairai, I doubt Affinity was telling BBM to hammer SilentShaman. You're literally saying that it's scummy of Affinity to tell someone voting him to consider targets other then him. Of course he's going to want his voters to consider other people.

He says:
@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more.  Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.

At that point the only target more 'viable' than Affinity, who BBM was voting, was Shaman. Therefor the only vote more 'viable' than Affinity's was one that was a hammer.

If that isn't saying 'Vote Shaman', I'm not sure what it's saying.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 01:54:44 PM
Let's not get onto the hypocritical nature of that too. He tells BBM to stop fence-sitting on all of the 'viable' targets, then proceeds to vote me, who had 0 votes. I wasn't exactly a 'viable' target for lynching either.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 03:36:52 PM
@Everyone

To everyone angry at me for not responding to the debate on my reasoning for voting Schezo semi-RVS phase, raise your hands and ask your questions.  I've said all I have wanted to say regarding that issue and it'll just weigh the game down.  Saying that it is scummy without considering the datedness of it is kinda sad.  Arguing  about it till the end of the game doesn't strike me as nice.  Rai I'm looking at you, since you seem to be pointing out things without context.  I thought you switched votes because you agreed with my explanation.

If viable targets means people who are L-3 and above than haha to anyone who thinks that.  If you are basing cries of hypocrisy on a single word then you're probably doing it wrong.  Rai and SS were all viable targets throughout the day (as in questionable and with reasons to vote), but BBM merely brushed them off.  Would like BBM to answer this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976411.html#msg976411) anyways.

And talking about targets =/= voting for them, and fence-sitting =/= not voting for them.  Why, oh why, Rai, are you thinking these as such.  I said in and out with the flow not just in why are you attacking me for miscomprehension.

In fact, if people have issues on my vote, then where would you want me to put it?  On SS, resulting in a hammer?  Why is changing my vote from BBM to Rai so awkward when I have given my reasons for doing so?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: Bard
What's this even supposed to mean? I can only read it in one way but I'd like Affinity to explain.

Uhh, in general my initial impression of SS was not correct as he posted more and more, and they fitted more into what people had originally suspected of him.  Thus I'm okay with lynching him now.

Quote from: Bard
Also a bit weird he on one hand says he can agree to an SS vote, but then votes the one SS says she rather wants to lynch (and then she delves into a pointless Not Me Over Me thing when there's more than enough time to swing a wagon onto someone). If you think he's scum you wouldn't vote with him, right?

And SS hasn't voted Raikaria.  Saying that you would really like to vote him and him actually doing it are two different things; the first is possible by scum. 

It's pointless to do a not me over me without reasoning, because if I were to do just that he would be lynched by now, wouldn't he?

In general I think Rai's jumps throughout the game are too haphazard and incoherent.  Votes BT (reactionary) -> huhwhat (votepark on Schezo) -> Affinity (content not good) -> Shadoweh (never answered a question) -> Affinity ('bullying').  Let's just say I don't get the transitions from one vote to another (e.g why did he unvote me?), though he might have given his explanations.  And his idea of me bullying people into hammering is really funny; seriously, who does that?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 04:09:12 PM
@BBM:

Oh I see your response, my apologies.  But by just pointing out various things that you find scummy without considering the full picture (as you do with Rai), it seems like mere nitpicking actually.  I don't even know what your secondary lynch on Rai is founded on now actually; surely not his listing or his vote on BT, which were ages ago.

If you really want your answer then I thought Schezo's reason for voting Serela was the vote-block thing in the first place as his RVS reason.  But that's so boring to talk about.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 05:18:13 PM
In general I think Rai's jumps throughout the game are too haphazard and incoherent.  Votes BT (reactionary) -> huhwhat (votepark on Schezo) -> Affinity (content not good) -> Shadoweh (never answered a question) -> Affinity ('bullying').  Let's just say I don't get the transitions from one vote to another (e.g why did he unvote me?), though he might have given his explanations.  And his idea of me bullying people into hammering is really funny; seriously, who does that?

You're trying way to hard with this.

The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.

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But by just pointing out various things that you find scummy without considering the full picture (as you do with Rai),

##Unvote: Huh What
Still watching, but yeah.

Raikaria is Raikaria. Everything he's done wrong can be accounted for by Hanlon's razor.
Kay may or may not be Kay, but compared to Raikaria the stuff he's guilty of is much more damning.
Affinity has gotten more suspicion to me as the result of the recent push against Raikaria.

Just dumping this out real quick, and then I'm going straight to reading.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 05:40:25 PM
He says:
At that point the only target more 'viable' than Affinity, who BBM was voting, was Shaman. Therefor the only vote more 'viable' than Affinity's was one that was a hammer. If that isn't saying 'Vote Shaman', I'm not sure what it's saying.
>:T HE SAYS TO STOP FENCE-SITTING. THIS DOES NOT MEAN HAMMER THE OTHER WAGON IT MEANS GIVE DEFINITIVE OPINIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE. HE DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT VOTING, GOD. A wagon can be viable without having alot of votes on it, for example at least 3 people have expressed willingness to lynch YOU. Incidentally that counters your second point because you were a viable third option, and if I Were Affinity(tm) and I wanted a not-the-wagons wagon you'd be on my hit list. I just can't believe you're doing this. It's the worst confirmation bias I've ever seen. Say, what if SilentShaman is scum, would he be scummy for wanting someone else to hammer then?

I officially don't like votes on Affinity now, the answer he gave before this was quite reasonable and this case makes me legit mad to read.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.
Considering what Raikaria's supplemental reasoning for revoting Affinity is, do you seriously blame him for being suspicious of it? Because it's terrible. Even if you approach it from Raikaria being town as you seem to be, telling someone they're scummy for wanting people voting them to consider other people is backwards wrong.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
Yes, It's terrible on it's own, but Affinity went and listed all of Raikaria's vote changes along with what he perceived their reason to be. He wasn't looking at then seperately, but presented them as separate in order to make Raikaria's voting line seem disjointed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
>.> But his voting does look jumpy and disjointed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 23, 2013, 06:09:20 PM
I'm out for a few hours. To remind people where we sit, right now we're 8 hours from deadline. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240) Don't do anything I wouldn't do!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
OK, let me explain more clearly where I'm getting my point of view from:

I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.

Here, Affinity says he's happy to lynch SilentShaman, and agrees with all the arguments put forth. Which raises the question, if Affinity is happy with this lynch, and agrees with all the arguments, why he did not just hammer. It's not like BBM seems to be getting lynched at this point.

@BBM: I'm not interested in what you are saying any more.  Get to the times please; you seem like you are fence-sitting on all the viable targets of the day actually.

I've already explained what is so bad about this part multiple times.

- Affinity himself is a 'viable target' at this point. 2nd most votes in the game. BBM is one of those voting him.
- Affinity, by telling BBM to stop 'fence-sitting' on the 'viable targets of the day' can very easily seem like he is pressureing BBM to hammer Shaman. It's not hard to see that implication, because at that point, Shaman was the 'most viable' lynch, at L-1.

Now combine these points with the former one:
- Affinty says he is happy with a Shaman Lynch, and agrees with all the logic, yet doesn't hammer
- Affinity would rather someone else hammer him so he doesn't get associated with SS's flip. His @BBM heavily implies he wants BBM to hammer.
- We can then coclude, if this is the case, he would know SS's alignment, and therefor, be anti-town.

@Raikaria: Why so jumpy?  Why suddenly lash out at Shadoweh for, of all things, not answering a question instead of returning to your old suspicions.  For all your words, you still seem like you are merely going in and out of the flow with the appropriate reasoning without true backing.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

After calling out BBM for 'fence-sitting' he then comes up at me with this. Apparently, despite agreeing with all the arguments against Silent Shaman, and thinking BBM is a better-yet lynch, he thinks... being 'jumpy' with your vote is worse than both?

Anyone else see a problem here? Especially when I've explained my reasons for moving my vote several times, and most people can see that? [See: Zakeri's post]

This is hugely hypocritical, doesn't make sense as a vote when he just said he agrees with the SS reasons and thinks BBM is worse. You'd think to surpass both of those he'd have more than 'Jumpy Vote'.

And that's why that particular post by Affinity is so bad.

And that is why I am voting him, and shall remain so unless someone else seriously slips up, or Affinity does something very strongly town. Because the reek of scum from this post is incredible.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 23, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
RE: claims
This is first because it happened first in the thread.  HW claimed PGO and requested a character claim.  PGO is null but requesting a character claim, just stating it was ?useful? to me leans towards anti-town. 
Voteblocker is idk, never played with one.  I would like to point out that noticing the vote out of play is non-indicative of alignment as I noticed it when I was hardly even following the game.

All his posts are really self-conscious.
Serela was flailing because of ludicrous accusations.  Looks like going for an easy lynch to me (I believe this was a srs vote right past RVS).
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.
At the time, Schezo hadn?t replaced out or said he was going to replace out and had no real content.  Was he scum for having 3 1 line posts due to other things?  Am I scum due to being in his slot?
SilentShaman with quotewalls makes the posts looks a lot bigger than they are.  The actual content in the posts isn?t -bad- per se, that I?ve seen anyway.
Shadoweh is rather quiet, though explained by not having a vote.  Still worrisome that she not her usual smiley self.  (though this became fixed the farther in I got, probably just timezones)
I don't know about anyone else, but that seems a bit off to me. You guys did say to go with a gut feeling, and this is what I got right now besides Affinity.
Votecount
Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, Validon98
Voting alongside a scumread, bussing exists so it doesn?t mean it?s not a good vote but the fact that it wasn?t taken into account, at all, is a bit?odd to me.  I?m not sure how else to describe it.
Affinity?s first post?there?s nothing wrong with it.  He got wagoned for reasons I don?t understand. #182 is a very good response, and alerted me to BBM.  Will need to look at him when I have more time.
Bardiche is 10/10 would sheep on SilentShaman because I wasn?t seeing any play improvement from the beginning of the game.
Validon reads as legit confused to me, partly because when I first played I was legit confused on the same level as this XD.
If someone does something that looks suspicious, it should be considered after whatever provoked it is over. If the intent of something seems scummy, that's not something that should be ignored or dismissed as being "over".
Yes but sometimes in light of more recent information things that looked scummy don?t end up looking scummy, or townie looking things look scummy.

As it stands now I think my preferred order for today's lynch would be huh what->SilentShaman->Affinity, due to #248.  His point against Shadoweh is very weak as it compares someone without a vote to people who haven't been voting (for various reasons).  The point against Raikaria is also weak to me, as attacking someone for not answering a question multiple times (I'm pretty sure that question was asked multiple times, if not then this point holds slightly more water but avoiding questions can be seen as a scummy action) is a perfectly valid reason to vote someone.

Holding off on voting until a votecount to not accidentally derp-hammer and cut the day short.  Consider my vote on HW unless something changes before the day ends, however.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 23, 2013, 06:20:02 PM
Also I'm going to be away starting in around an hour for probably about 2 hours, just putting that out there now.  Will respond to things when I return and place my vote down after the next votecount.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 06:27:55 PM
I don't think Jumpy and Disjointed is a scumtell.
Especially not on day one.

Devil's Avocado time~
1. There's lot of reasons why Affinity wouldn't hammer: The most prominent being that there's still time for discussion. What town reason would he have for hammering early?
2.1 Ignoring the fact that Affinity is one of two viable wagons, what are the sorts of reasons one would ask to "Make a define opinion on people."
2.2 What reason would Affinity have to ask for another to make a definite opinion on himself? Why does the fact that he's asking mean that he's hoping the person he's asking would preclude himself from the results?
3. Does hippocritcal behavior dictate that a person is always scum?

I still think Raikaria is town and Affinity is suspicion due to the way he presented his case on Raikaria. I just think that answering these questions will help Rai see what people think the problems in his argument are.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 06:40:40 PM
Devil's Avocado time~
1. There's lot of reasons why Affinity wouldn't hammer: The most prominent being that there's still time for discussion. What town reason would he have for hammering early?
2.1 Ignoring the fact that Affinity is one of two viable wagons, what are the sorts of reasons one would ask to "Make a define opinion on people."
2.2 What reason would Affinity have to ask for another to make a definite opinion on himself? Why does the fact that he's asking mean that he's hoping the person he's asking would preclude himself from the results?
3. Does hippocritcal behavior dictate that a person is always scum?

1. Yes, there's still time for discussion, but D1 was drawing to a close, and enough people had consensus on Shaman to lynch him. You know what usually happens D1 when we postpone a lynch. We end up making some hurried consolidation vote, and lynch someone who's just been posting a lot and therefor has the most things to find a hole in to use against them. If 6/11 votes come to an agreement, there's not really much else to discuss. Saying you agree with the argument and then not hammering is a weird move to me.

2.1. Except the ONLY other 'viable lynch' was one at L-1. If BBM decided Shaman was worthy of lynching, he probobly would have hammered. He couldn't have realistically been asking for opinions on everyone else with that wording, and the fact that after everyone bit my head off for doing the same thing, BBM wouldn't likely follow that example.

2.2. You are confusing me with what you are asking here. Affinity doesn't want to hammer because [Theory] he knows SS would flip town, and therefor hammering would raise suspicion. There's his benefit for wanting BBM to hammer.

3. When combined with everything else wrong in that post? It's certainly a scumtell.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
Addition to 1:

The aim of the game is to lynch who you think is scum. Affinity said he agrees with the argument for Silent's lynch, yet didn't... you know... lynch him. The aim of the game is not to discuss in rings all day then go to a rushed consolidation lynch.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 06:43:13 PM
I'm not paying as much attention as I should right now, but I'd like to mention that if Affinity hammered SS, everyone would probably punch him in the fucking face tomorrow. Raikaria, stop arguing that that is weird.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
At least, if he had hammered back then.

People might not be as mad right now, where half the game is talking about how they're not going to be here for most of the remaining time, but. They'd still probably be miffed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 06:48:26 PM
I'm not paying as much attention as I should right now, but I'd like to mention that if Affinity hammered SS, everyone would probably punch him in the fucking face tomorrow. Raikaria, stop arguing that that is weird.

Not my point, or at least the key point.

He then implies BBM should hammer [To avoid said being punched in the face], and then places his vote for reasons both hypocritical [He proceeds to do exactly what he is telling BBM to not do], and illogical [He agrees with the SS lynch, says BBM is his preferred over that... then votes me for having a 'jumpy vote]

That's what's wrong.

And yes, it is weird to not lynch someone who you think is scum, especially when there is a majority.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 06:55:45 PM
No, it's not. People do not just run around hammering willy-nilly. There isn't even any counterwagon existent to have to worry about right now. Everyone would jump on him for doing it, and since he's already suspicious, it'd be suicidal. You might not agree, but I think -everyone else- would think it was horrible.

It's not even smart from a scum perspective, because Affinity shouldn't need to worry about getting lynched in the current situation. SS looks almost guaranteed to be it. Why would he go around trying to get it to happen immediately?

Where did Affinity imply BBM should hammer? This sounds silly and I doubt it's true.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 06:56:45 PM
You seem to be mistaking "Affinity not hammering" for "Affinity not thinking SS should be lynched over himself", which are absolutely nothing alike considering there is a helluva lotta time left in the day and there's not even a wagon on himself last I checked.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:00:43 PM
IHNN's "vote" on me is beyond awful. Out of three cases, the one he wants to pursue is based on RVS shit? Note that I already explained the Schezo vote later which means he's not reading the posts of his #1 suspect.

Shadoweh, I don't know what Kay typically claims because the last times I've seen her be scum were in special cases (one was role madness, the other an open set-up where she was the last scum alive).

I still think Kay is scum even considering the claim. Not really convinced by the Raikaria/Affinity slapfighting.

BBM mite b scum.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
You seem to be mistaking "Affinity not hammering" for "Affinity not thinking SS should be lynched over himself", which are absolutely nothing alike considering there is a helluva lotta time left in the day and there's not even a wagon on himself last I checked.

Except you missed the part where he implies that BBM should vote the 'viable lynch' and stop 'sitting on the fence'. Which is heavily implying he wanted BBM to hammer.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 07:03:37 PM
Viable lynch =/= Person that has several votes on them

A viable lynch is anyone that several people think is scummy. Like Affinity. Or possibly yourself.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 23, 2013, 07:04:04 PM
IHNN's "vote" on me is beyond awful. Out of three cases, the one he wants to pursue is based on RVS shit? Note that I already explained the Schezo vote later which means he's not reading the posts of his #1 suspect.
That's not the only thing I found you scummy on.  I don't have the time to go back through and point out everything I found scummy in your play and why at the moment, but when I return I can do that if you want.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Viable lynch =/= Person that has several votes on them

A viable lynch is anyone that several people think is scummy. Like Affinity. Or possibly yourself.

Or Silent Shaman.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:06:20 PM
Well your case is going to fall apart when the person I've been voting all day flips scum so :colbert:.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 07:06:35 PM
That request is perfectly normal, since at consolidation you need to be voting someone people might actually lynch, and just because Kay is the only person with a big wagon does NOT mean Kay is the only viable lynch. That'd be dumb, it's d1 and there is not only one person who people think is scummy enough to kill.

Trying to say "affinity is implying BBM should hammer" is like if I told you that you should get some candy for your blood sugar level, and there happened to be a baby with a lollipop in the room, and you start yelling at me for telling me to steal the baby's lollipop. It's just "wtf are you even talking about?" It's not what he said at all.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 07:07:21 PM
I'm going to stop responding to you at this point btw, you're clearly a brick wall. :T
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
start yelling at me for telling YOU to steal*
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:16:08 PM
That request is perfectly normal, since at consolidation you need to be voting someone people might actually lynch, and just because Kay is the only person with a big wagon does NOT mean Kay is the only viable lynch. That'd be dumb, it's d1 and there is not only one person who people think is scummy enough to kill.

Trying to say "affinity is implying BBM should hammer" is like if I told you that you should get some candy for your blood sugar level, and there happened to be a baby with a lollipop in the room, and you start yelling at me for telling me to steal the baby's lollipop. It's just "wtf are you even talking about?" It's not what he said at all.

Except it is a reflection. 5 people thought Kay was bad enough to lynch. 6 people had expressed desire to lynch him. If that's not a 'viable' lynch in a town with 11 votes, 6/11, then I'm not sure what is.

Also, if I actually thought SS was scum, and followed the arguments, I would have hammered myself. I'm not afraid of being called out for hammering who I think is scum. You shouldn't be. Affinity shouldn't be.

Anyway, since you said you'll stop responding to me, I'll stop bothering to convince you. I don't need to do that. I need to convince any 5 other people that Affinity's recent posts were bad enough to vote him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:18:06 PM
we should just hammer kay right now imho. quickhammers on scum own
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:18:19 PM
Raikaria why aren't you hammering Kay?????
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 07:23:32 PM
One more since I see something that could possibly get one of my points across
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Except it is a reflection. 5 people thought Kay was bad enough to lynch. 6 people had expressed desire to lynch him. If that's not a 'viable' lynch in a town with 11 votes, 6/11, then I'm not sure what is.
Yes, Kay is a viable lynch.

Your flawed logic is in going "Since Kay is a viable lynch, Affinity saying to vote a viable lynch clearly means he MUST be telling BBM to hammer Kay", as opposed to it possibly meaning ANY OF THE OTHER VIABLE LYNCHES WE HAVE, of which there is more then one. Affinity trying to tell BBM to hammer Kay, especially in what would be such a retardedly roundabout fashion, would
A.Makes NO SENSE from any alignment save maybe Jester
B.Obviously not succeed in any reality, unless BBM was going to hammer of his own accord anyway
C.I don't even know I'm going to go take a nap bye
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
As I said before, I don't follow the reasons we're lynching him.

If someone could explain what actually makes him so bad so I understand and convince me of it, then I'll gladly hammer. But I don't see anything that makes him seem particularly scummy. Want me to hammer him? Convince me he's scum, because so far I ain't seeing it.

That said, he dosen't look particularly town either,
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Shadoweh, what happened to your opinions on Affinity? You don't like his reaction to being put at L-1 here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976468.html#msg976468) after suspecting him for a while, only to turn around and dislike votes on him just because one player has a shoddy case which doesn't actually contradict yours. I can't understand the thought process here at all. In fact I can't even tell who you want lynched right now so you should probably get to fixing that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
From what I remember, everyone is on Ka because of the vote on Bardiche. The only reason given was about how Bardiche's posts were all about defending Serela. Yet at the time that Kay wrote that post, the entire debacle with Serela (which seemed silly to begin with) was over. In fact, all that was originally said was:
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##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.
All that was given for an argument was something about the two of them essentially being scumbuddies... which is unlikely. Not much else of a defense was given.
Granted, I suspect Affinity as well, and at his point if it weren't for the entire thing with Kay I'd be voting for Affinity. In fact, before I voted for Kay I was voting for Affinity.
Of course, I still don't get why you haven't decided to hammer Kay either.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: SilentShaman on May 23, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
His recent posts have been a bit disappointing actually, and I don't see what that clumsy not me over me (without reasoning to convince ppl) should achieve if my vote would lynch him.  I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.

I didn't post reasoning because IIRC it's all been posted already, and I had nothing new to add. You're suspicious because your votes keep being off someplace weird where they won't be too controversial or useful, and don't match what you say that well.

Anyway, you guys know I'm suspicious of Raikaria and Affinity, and still have a slight scumread on Bardiche, you know my claim, and I don't have time to say much more this phase, so yeah. That's all I've got.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Validon, why is Affinity currently scummy to you?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:42:12 PM
Would last minute wagon Validon. Not even joking.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:42:54 PM
Oh, people are seriously voting him and putting him at L-1... for the Bard vote?

No thanks, that's not enough to make me seriously lynch him. Yes, it's not good, but it's not scummy outright. Maybe for consolidation, but until then unless there's a better reason I'm not hammering him.

Anyway, you guys know I'm suspicious of Raikaria and Affinity, and still have a slight scumread on Bardiche, you know my claim, and I don't have time to say much more this phase, so yeah. That's all I've got.

You're suspicious of two people who keep bashing on each other? I guess it's a 'one or the other' opinion.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:44:14 PM
Wow, I missed that Affinity switched to Raikaria. I thought he was still on BBM for some reason. Need to reconsider him with this in mind.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
Uhh, in general my initial impression of SS was not correct as he posted more and more, and they fitted more into what people had originally suspected of him.  Thus I'm okay with lynching him now.

So, uh, if you're okay with lynching him, why haven't you? That's pretty much my only thing against you right now, though. I'd comment on the whole BBM thing, except out of everything I haven't paid too much attention to that specifically.
I don't think Affinity is trying to get other people to hammer Kay, but if he has the suspicion he should go for it. Same with Rai, who makes me a little suspicious as well. Affinity did bring up a good point about how you've been jumping from person to person votewise. Do you have anything to say about that?

CUT:
Would last minute wagon Validon. Not even joking.

And what makes you think that now? I have a feeling it's because I don't always explain my lines of thought, which means this is turning into what caused everyone to get on Affinity's back in the first place. Granted, my suspicion for Affinity is not due to that anymore, but due to what I just said above.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
nah affinity is cool with me actually

Don't think Kay's recent post is a scum reaction to being lynched, but also don't know what else she could really do as mafia low on time.

Cut: No particular reason; mainly wanted to see what you'd say in response. I am kinda iffy on you though, I don't think Bard's logic matches up because you could easily just be newbscum with an inactive buddy who isn't around enough to coach. Or scum could just lack daytalk.
Considering that lynching SS would end the day and cut off discussion instantly, is Affinity still scummy to you?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Do you have anything to say about that?

Apparently it's scummy to have your opinions change based on developments throughout the day, and to vote people as a form of pressure to get more information? [Especially the case with Shadoweh evading Bardiche's questions]
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 07:52:01 PM
I mean, heaven forbid I stay on the same vote for 24 hours or more when the relative amount of content in the thread to consider rapidly increases and multiplies because it's D1.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 07:58:30 PM
Also, another thing about Kay: I just LOVE how he (she?) drops in, adds like maybe a couple of lines, explains little, and then leaves. That's suspicious to me. I mean:
I didn't post reasoning because IIRC it's all been posted already, and I had nothing new to add. You're suspicious because your votes keep being off someplace weird where they won't be too controversial or useful, and don't match what you say that well.

IIRC you didn't have much in the way of reasoning. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that, though, because I might have missed something.

CUT: Oh sure, so now you think I'm being coached, huh? I am NOT being coached. You think I cannot understand what's going on? I will repeat this for the umpteenth time: I have to go to school for a few hours every day. I can't talk during the day during those times. If periods of inactivity are what's getting you suspicious, then lay off.
And to say that I think anyone is scummy is wrong. I don't know if anyone is scummy. I merely have suspicions. Do I think that Affinity has been acting scummy? A little. Is it enough for me to vote for him? Yes. Am I going to now? No. I have already stated my reasons for why I think Affinity is scummy. Stop asking me when I've already stated said reasons.

CUT AGAIN: A little bit. Again, I'm not sure. I'm not sure with anyone at this point. You people have asked me repeatedly to give opinions, and it's really hard to give strong ones when at this point EVERYONE is grasping at straws. We have no hard evidence to go on. You asking me about why I think you're scummy is no different from anybody asking anybody else why they have their opinions. It's just that people have varying degrees of responses, and the weak those responses, the more I suspect that person. Kay's responses in my opinion, for example, have come across as weak, therefore I suspect him. The same could go for Affinity.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 07:59:10 PM
Shadoweh is probably scum. Her only scumread the entire day was Affinity and she took it back. Other than that her posts are a lot of fluff and her townreads aren't particularly relevant to the game. As town she should've been putting more effort into looking at her null reads, such as Zak and Serela.

Too bad we probably can't get 5 more people to lynch her while she's AFK.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
Shadoweh is probably scum. Her only scumread the entire day was Affinity and she took it back. Other than that her posts are a lot of fluff and her townreads aren't particularly relevant to the game. As town she should've been putting more effort into looking at her null reads, such as Zak and Serela.

Too bad we probably can't get 5 more people to lynch her while she's AFK.

I dunno. I've already said I'm happy to lynch Shadoweh for evading Bard's question. So you only need 4 more.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
Oh, and before I forget, I just wasn't sure what your motivation was for the different votes, Rai. You're not off my suspicion list, but you've lowered yourself a bit. Maybe we all just need to have a bit of saury, calm down, and go over what we have. The only person who I am definitely willing to lynch right now is Kay for reasons I've already given. Affinity I am less sure of, but the fact that he is saying that he is willing to lynch Kay yet isn't voting strikes me as odd. Even if the target wasn't Kay and even if the person in question wasn't Affinity, I'd still be suspicious of a lack of action against suspected scum. So don't think I think that merely because Affinity and Kay are involved.

CUT: Have you voted, though? This does sort of tie into my point. If you're suspicious of Shadoweh, then why aren't you voting? Is Affinity that much more suspicious?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 08:11:57 PM
CUT: Have you voted, though? This does sort of tie into my point. If you're suspicious of Shadoweh, then why aren't you voting? Is Affinity that much more suspicious?

I was voting Shadoweh before Affinity.

That should tell you where my priorities lie between those two.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 08:13:14 PM
Fair enough. I assume you're still on Affinity for pressure, then?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 09:12:03 PM
does anybody else have anything to say before the end of the day

I don't actually want to last minute wagon, but Shadoweh is a maflord.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 09:17:45 PM
I'm on Affinity not for pressure but because I legitimately think he is the scums for reasons I have explained at least 3 times now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 09:20:10 PM
Okay then. I was just sort of confused why you switched from Shadoweh to Affinity even if you had strong suspicions against Shadoweh. Now I'm not. I've got nothing else to add for the day, at this point.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
Requesting deadline update and vote count.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
I can go either way - Wagon on Shadoweh, or Hammering Kay.
It's weird to me but for the first time, I haven't actually gotten that "You are all wrong, all of these lynches suck" feeling.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
On second thought (Read: ISO) Lynching Shadoweh today is a terrible idea. I'll be more open to it tomorrow, depending.
Besides, It gives me more time going with a stupid running joke I have on him now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 10:10:59 PM
Back, nothing I've read so far wants me to stray the course. My body is ready.

(I agree re: Shadoweh but I tend to always read her as scum. Even as town she is frustratingly unhelpful.)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:11:33 PM
yeah I don't think quickwagoning is actually a good idea but I think Shadoweh is scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 23, 2013, 10:12:14 PM
Votecount

SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(3): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (2): I have no name, Zakeri
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~4 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:14:17 PM
Also the reason I don't think this is town!Shadoweh being unhelpful is because she doesn't seem to be putting effort into finding scum. Shadoweh likes to find townreads regardless of alignment, but this game she's skipping the part where she looks at the scum candidates she PoEs it down to.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:16:03 PM
but yeah I'm ready for a hammer
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:20:13 PM
but yeah I'm ready for a hammer

Well I ain't gonna swing it. Affinity's already said he's fine with lynching SS.

I'm not. Don't agree with the very weak reason of his Bard vote to lynch him. I will literally only hammer if it comes down to like the last 5 mins, because I do not agree with the very weak reason for this wagon.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:22:25 PM
One question I have for Affinity in case he pops up before deadline: why switch off BBM to Raikaria when you had all of one post on BBM? It seems like you were quick to give up pushing BBM and while I get why you suspect Raikaria, I can't tell why you think Raikaria is the worse of the two.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
Rai: Are you intentionally dumbing down the case on SS?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:25:40 PM
Bard, thoughts on Affinity wagon + case in general?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 10:30:28 PM
Flip-flopping on it. Affinity's post in response to getting attacked was a lot better for me. His posts afterwards peter off and read uninspiring. I'm OK with a lynch on him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
Rai: Are you intentionally dumbing down the case on SS?

I asked someone to explain the case to me because I wasn't getting it.

The answer was 'The Bard vote'.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 10:34:57 PM
Obviously given the location of my vote I consider SS a more dire priority and would like AFfinity to redeem himself tomorrow. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976905.html#msg976905) is where Affinity hits none of the interesting topics of the day. A soft touch on Shadoweh where Affinity doesn't even touch upon what activity SHadoweh DOES have, only commenting on a lack of it. "Sort of detached" doesn't qualify it as either scummy or town, making it an empty observation.

I asked someone to explain the case to me because I wasn't getting it.

The answer was 'The Bard vote'.

Would love to have multiple lynches so we can get this guy too.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:39:22 PM
imo Raikaria is more silly than scum. I'm reading him as town chipping in effort, just very misguided effort. Not to mention his voteblock reaction from ED1.

Kay is scummy not only because of the Bard vote, but for never really explaining why Bard attacking the cases on Serela had scum intent, ignoring Bard's future posts and not really trying to push the case or look into other people either. Most of her other content has been one-liners that don't really inquire into anybody's alignment.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
I'll say it again, as far as I see and understand, people are voting Shaman because he is voting Bardiche.

While I agree his vote is silly, that does not make him the scums. Especially when there's things I can go after like Shadoweh's evasion of Bard's questions, and Affinity's... #248 that I've explained about too many times now (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976905.html#msg976905).

If I'm to vote Shaman, it's your job to convince me that it's a better lynch than Affinity and Shadoweh, because as it stands I see Shaman as 'silly' not 'scummy'.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 10:41:09 PM
Would love to have multiple lynches so we can get this guy too.

Hey, that's not all I said but the SS vote, damn it! I also said how Kay wasn't really making a good defense despite all of the accusations thrown at him. I did not just say "the Bard vote," so don't lie about it. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:41:40 PM
Kay is scummy not only because of the Bard vote, but for never really explaining why Bard attacking the cases on Serela had scum intent, ignoring Bard's future posts and not really trying to push the case or look into other people either. Most of her other content has been one-liners that don't really inquire into anybody's alignment.


Cut by this.

So, basically, the vote is for a votepark and then lurking through D1? Well, that makes the case a bit stronger, but I'd still rather see Affinity lynched.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 10:42:35 PM
Raikaria:When Bard responded, SS more or less ignored the reply (Despite it being very valid and entirely explaining why he did what SS was voting him for in a way that made complete townie sense) and when asked by me about it pretty much literally replied "Maybe it's true, maybe it's not." (True might have been a different word there, but it's more or less that) SS also has hardly contributed at all, making a few idle pokes on you and not really doing anything else that was relevant.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 10:42:50 PM
That's a better-stated version of what I said earlier. Thank you for clarifying, HW.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 10:43:04 PM
Hey, that's not all I said but the SS vote, damn it! I also said how Kay wasn't really making a good defense despite all of the accusations thrown at him. I did not just say "the Bard vote," so don't lie about it. >.>

Talking about Raikaria, stop overreacting to every little thing.

Raikaria if you're too lazy to read what's going on after multiple people stated what's bad about SS then you're really a detriment to town and I want to see you dead before LYLO.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 10:44:10 PM
Whoops, I thought you were talking to me because I was the one who attempted to explain the reasoning for the SS vote to Rai. Sorry. ^^;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
oh people just explained it `-`

But yeah there's a lot of other people I wouldn't mind lynching either, along similar lines as everyone else >_>; Except maybe Plus BT Even Though I Don't Have A Very Good Reason. I'm hoping some of these will clear up d2 since that's too many scumreads. SS I still think is a great lynch tho' and would probably be my top pick out of them so yea
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 10:47:45 PM
that's funny serela i'm townreading half the game

who exactly are your surplus scumreads and why, instead of just giving us a blanket statement?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 23, 2013, 10:48:23 PM
Votecount

SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(3): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (2): I have no name, Zakeri
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~3 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 10:49:53 PM
Also the reason I don't think this is town!Shadoweh being unhelpful is because she doesn't seem to be putting effort into finding scum. Shadoweh likes to find townreads regardless of alignment, but this game she's skipping the part where she looks at the scum candidates she PoEs it down to.

I think a lot of this read has more to do with Shadoweh not having a vote than him being scum. He got super lackluster in Villians when it happened, but in the games where he is scum, he's at least willing to make a huge encompassing case on somebody day one.

One question I have for Affinity in case he pops up before deadline: why switch off BBM to Raikaria when you had all of one post on BBM? It seems like you were quick to give up pushing BBM and while I get why you suspect Raikaria, I can't tell why you think Raikaria is the worse of the two.
I would like this answered before hammer if possible.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:51:39 PM
Raikaria if you're too lazy to read what's going on after multiple people stated what's bad about SS then you're really a detriment to town and I want to see you dead before LYLO.

I'm not too lazy to read what is going on.

I just do not, from my opinion, see Shaman as lynchworthy. Especially over Affinity. It is as much my job to convince people to vote Affinity as it is your job to convince me to vote Shadow.

That's kind of how the game works. People read things. People make opinions. People convince others that have a difference of opinion to see their way.

I do not think that Shadow is the best lynch right now. It is as simple as that. I do not see him as scum, more null. You see him as the best lynch.

If I'm a 'detriment to town' for playing Mafia and not being one of those nodding dogs in the back of the car, or a sheep, well, I'll keep being a 'detriment to town', because that's how you play Mafia.

Do I think Silent Shaman is useful? No.

Do I think he is the scums? Not really, especially compared to Shadoweh and Affinity.

I will vote him for consolidation, and only for consolidation. Until then, I will hold out hope that people will switch to Affinity.

HW's question to Affinity is also one of the major reasons I am voting him. His reasoning for voting me over BBM/Shaman is illogical, if he agrees with the case on Shaman, and thinks BBM is worse still, why does he think having a 'jumpy vote' is worse than both? [Not to mention the whole 'viable wagon' line and then doing that]
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
The final paragraph was due to being cut by Zakeri btw.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
Quote
I'm not too lazy to read what is going on.

I just do not, from my opinion, see Shaman as lynchworthy. Especially over Affinity. It is as much my job to convince people to vote Affinity as it is your job to convince me to vote Shadow.

I mean the part where you don't read cases people make. If you'd read cases, you'd know it was more than "the Bard vote". This laziness is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:01:40 PM
I think a lot of this read has more to do with Shadoweh not having a vote than him being scum. He got super lackluster in Villians when it happened, but in the games where he is scum, he's at least willing to make a huge encompassing case on somebody day one.
ugh yeah thinking about past scum!Shadoweh games this is probably a good point. I wouldn't totally write Shadoweh off as possible scum but it does make me feel better about her.

Which basically leaves my top suspects at Kay/Affinity, the latter being because of the question I asked. Odds of scum/scum wagons on D1?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Raikaria on May 23, 2013, 11:04:21 PM
I mean the part where you don't read cases people make. If you'd read cases, you'd know it was more than "the Bard vote". This laziness is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.

Except I don't get the point of the cases, they're disjointed, and multiple points are made by multiple people which makes following the overall, overarching reasons difficult.

And the core of it is the Bard vote. Then his reactions to criticism afterwards, and general lack of play after that. The core reason is still the Bard vote.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: WHMZakeri on May 23, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
##Vote: Affinity for posterity if nothing else.
I was already suspicious of the way he tried to word his case on Raikaria to make it bigger than it is.
Looking back at his vote for BBM- It starts weak, but that's fine. It later gets stronger reasoning, but at a time where he changes vote to Raikaria. I think a town player would have at least tried to press harder on BBM when he has more reason to do so, but affinity feels reactionary here. He seems more interested in shooting down cases against himself than scumhunting.

Actually looking even closer, BBM doesn't really seem to be doing any of the stuff Affinity is accusing him of either. Curious.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:09:47 PM
Question: who here would hammer Affinity if I switched wagons?

Currently thinking it over.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 11:12:04 PM
Except I don't get the point of the cases, they're disjointed, and multiple points are made by multiple people which makes following the overall, overarching reasons difficult.

And the core of it is the Bard vote. Then his reactions to criticism afterwards, and general lack of play after that. The core reason is still the Bard vote.

I think multiple people made the same points and the gist is pretty clear, but I'll just chalk that up to a difference in opinion. Going all, "I don't understand someone tell me what the case is" just strikes as incredible laziness and lack of reading, since "the Bard vote" isn't even a core reason in most people's cases. I see now it's just because you read things differently from how I do.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:15:15 PM
Basically I mulled over Kay's claim again and decided that while I could see scum in her position claiming VT, I don't think she in particular would have done so instead of pulling out something shiny to give town incentive to unvote her.

Claiming VT right then would have made sense for scum!Kay if she had a post with lots of effort that made up for her Bard vote and was trying to impress people. Instead, she had a bunch of one-line responses and a Not Me Over Me on somebody who at the time probably wasn't too likely of a wagon. As scum, that's tantamount to giving up, since nobody cares if they lynch a VT claim.

I'm gonna be so frustrated if I'm just waffling myself into swinging the wagons off scum, but oh well.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

I also now have a Secret Scumread from re-reading.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 11:15:43 PM
HW: Shadoweh/Affinity/BT/Validon

Most of these aren't scumreads as much as bad and not-a-town-read reads (not a null read) and I'd lynch Raikaria before LyLo, which brings it up to five, which is pretty bad. The amount of townreads and amount of scumreads I would normally have are reversed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
tl;dr I've decided Kay's reaction to L-1 seems more like a VT participating in standard procedure than scum trying to survive. Meanwhile Affinity has spent most of the day moping about people being on him when his actual scumhunting priorities are pretty murky.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Bardiche on May 23, 2013, 11:24:15 PM
Claiming VT right then would have made sense for scum!Kay if she had a post with lots of effort that made up for her Bard vote and was trying to impress people. Instead, she had a bunch of one-line responses and a Not Me Over Me on somebody who at the time probably wasn't too likely of a wagon. As scum, that's tantamount to giving up, since nobody cares if they lynch a VT claim.

Or scum gave up because wagon on her and she couldn't figure out what. Pls dont WIFOM.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 23, 2013, 11:33:44 PM
I still think huh what is off this game but I can see there's no chance of wagoning him today.  I'll be able to make a more solid case or rethink my opinion during D2 however.

I'll look at Affinity and SS again since it seems that those are the only candidates for the lynch at this point.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 23, 2013, 11:36:21 PM
Votecount

Affinity(5): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria, Zakeri, huh what
SilentShaman(4): BT, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (2): I have no name
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~2.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130524T12&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:37:12 PM
Thought over stuff further, waiting for IHNN's post.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Serela on May 23, 2013, 11:51:33 PM
woah I didn't realize there was actually a full wagon on affinity

Go me, I though SS was still far and away the leading wagon, hence Apathy.

Although really, there's nothing for me to add to the SS case. :T I don't really -object- to an Affinity lynch, it's just that I'd like a Kay lynch more.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 23, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
(╯?□?)╯︵ ┻━┻

##Unvote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: I have no name on May 24, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
SilentShaman:
-First half of content is focusing on the voteblock.  Don't like how nothing else was mentioned then, but for a majority of voteblock-oriented posts that was all that was going on.
-Votes Bard for hard defending Serela.  Hard defending isn't scummy IMO, but that's subjective.
-Says that being asked to give reads and giving a lot of null reads is scummy.  On D1 you can't expect a lot of solid reads...which is exactly why Bard was voted, for defending Serela for "a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts"
-"If someone does something that looks suspicious, it should be considered after whatever provoked it is over. If the intent of something seems scummy, that's not something that should be ignored or dismissed as being "over"."  I already posted I disagree with this statement, at least not without reconsidering things as other things happen.
-switches to Affinity on a Not Me Over Me.  Null since anyone would do that.
Overall I can't really say that I think this lynch is much more likely to flip than the average player right now.  The Bard vote was weak and the amount of time spent on the voteblock is disconcerting.

Affinity:
I can't see Affinity as scum right now.  I don't see why he's a wagon.  I thought he was a bit scummy before but upon looking at his posts again it's really due to reaching different conclusions from the same facts.

##Vote: SilentShaman  (L-1)

Why are people finding Affinity scummy, right now?  I don't see any arguments in the recent parts of the thread.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 24, 2013, 12:10:00 AM
 8) LYNCHER WIN 8)

:smug: LYNCHER WIN :smug:

8) LYNCHER WIN 8)

:smug: LYNCHER WIN :smug:

8) LYNCHER WIN 8)

##Vote: Kay (L-0)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 24, 2013, 12:11:25 AM
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 24, 2013, 12:18:27 AM
Final Votecount

SilentShaman(6): BT, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela, I have no name, huh what
Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria, Zakeri
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (0): Nobody
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.

"What cruel fate is twisting causing us such pain?"
"I swear on my pride that I shal-"
In the middle of his rant, SilentShaman was shot down by a figure in the shadows.
"... You're too loud."
SilentShaman - Yoshino, Self-proclaimed Delinquent(Vanilla Townie) was lynched D1!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/yoshino.jpg)

It is now Night 1, you have 24 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130525T10&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 24, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
"This is..."
Zakeri's eyes widened. The identities of their enemies were none other than...
"I need to tell everyone before-"
Unfortunately for her, she had already been surrounded.
Zakeri's muffled scream was heard by none that night.
Zakeri - Lucia, Humanity's Future(Vanilla Townie) disappeared N1!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/lucia.jpg)

Votecount

Not voting(10): Shadoweh, huh what, Serela, BT, I have no name, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~72 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
one of bard and bt is scum seeing as they're both still alive

also BBM is not kotarou apparently

also ##Vote: IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 12:05:51 AM
##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
I don't think Shadoweh would've NKed her #1 defender tbh. she's probably town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:14:29 AM
probably not gonna write a real post until tomorrow, just a heads up
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 12:16:47 AM
OH MY GOD HE'S LOOKING FOR ME

I really appreciate you trying to run me up while I was afk, because you would have felt pretty silly when I flipped. Then again after that lyncher win celebration I'm really not sure that was an accident. <_< I.. really should have realized Zakeri would die Night 1. Checking to see if Serela is a horrible person:

##Vote: Serela DON'T STEAL MY VOTE SERELA
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:19:01 AM
Then again after that lyncher win celebration I'm really not sure that was an accident. <_<
i wonder if motktown would have the balls to lynch me instead of letting me coast if i claimed harmless neutral wwwww
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 12:23:34 AM
I wouldn't call a town-focused lyncher to be a harmless neutral. >_> You keep your ass away from me mister, I'm watching you.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 12:26:46 AM
Why are people finding Affinity scummy, right now?end of D1  I don't see any arguments in the recent parts of the thread.
Would still like this answered, if people still find him scummy.


I?ve already mentioned I dislike huh what from D1 due to the oneliners everywhere.  The average amount of lines per post is 2, which isn?t bad if the content is good, but that?s where HW falls flat.  His reasoning is almost entirely nonexistent (see here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=14781.msg975911;quote=975911) for an example, the line on Serela is the closest he came). 
Worth noting: I'm inclined to think this game only has 2 mafias, since it's 12p + a voteblock. Probably with a third party too because :roles:.
His focus on roles is not beneficial to town on D1, or D2, or any day.
He?s called NNR vigbait and a confused Validon someone he?d vig (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976717.html#msg976717).  Directing a theoretical vig/influencing where they shoot is helpful?how?  It?s not, this isn?t Popcorn mafia.  Yet.
His end of D1 consists of suspecting anyone and everyone who had been suspected, as seen in (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977048.html#msg977048) these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977060.html#msg977060) ending (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977088.html#msg977088) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977142.html#msg977142).  Worth noting that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977065.html#msg977065) HW did not suspect Affinity but switched to him over SS, someone he called scum several times, due to SilentShaman?s claim.  This looks to me like going with the flow of the game posts a lot to seem active and the few ?original thought processes? are role shenanigans and not actual scumhunting.

##Vote: Huh What

This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977163.html#msg977163) implies that he?s a lyncher, though here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975805.html#msg975805) he claimed PGO (and said it was a serious claim).  I highly doubt that these would be together even in a Dormio setup, but this is just the icing on the cake that I believe HW is doing all he can to try to survive over finding scum.  Even his opening post of D2 is like that, ?PoEing? scum to Bard/BT, going back to the Kotarou character/role shenanigans and making a blanket vote on me, possibly because I expressed suspicion of him D1.  Purpose of this paragraph?  I believe the lyncher thing is a gambit to keep people from voting him as "he's fulfilled his win condition" and the PGO claim is another gambit to keep people from wanting to kill him at night.
Well your case is going to fall apart when the person I've been voting all day flips scum so :colbert:.
The person you were voting all day did not flip scum.  Either way, my case has nothing to do with the alignment of the players you were voting but the way you went about doing so.

In terms of other scumreads, I need to read through D1 again to see if I can glean anything but HW is where the lynch today should go people.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:26:53 AM
seriously though I'm not a lyncher. end of d1 I figured out Kay was town but also figured out everyone around would handwave my reasons as WIFOM so I went "fuck helping town" and hammered

i dunno if affinity was scum though

##Unvote
##Vote: IHNN

he had a bunch of reasons to find me suspicious but then only posted some jabs at my ed1, did nothing to convince people i was scum and then just took snipes at the main targets of the day which is Pretty Bad.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 12:28:38 AM
Votecount

Shadoweh(1): Serela
Serela(1): Shadoweh
huh what(1) I have no name
I have no name(1): huh what
Not voting(6): BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~71.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:28:46 AM
Also I'm not actually PGO if anybody cares, but targeting me does nothing.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
Also, Shadoweh, if you're actually Koutarou then it's in your best interest to let me survive to N2 8)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 12:30:12 AM
Ralkaria should be playing solitaire and not mafia if he is to insist about me 'manipulating' BBM's vote so rabidly despite my words.  At least there you can be bound by your own logical perspectives without repercussions.  Please get it into your head that a target is viable regardless of the number of votes on him at the time.

I still did suspect BBM towards the end of yesterday, but I tried to go on Rai cause I didn't like his votejumps.  Lack of consistency in voting is a very big thing to me, even more than a stubborn vote maintained throughout the day (BBM).  Switching my vote doesn't mean that I've gotten tired of him or anything.

Why should I have hammered when huhwhat and others said that he wanted time to read me and SS, and IHNN hasn't made his read yet?  I'm not one to get in the way of town discussion, and Rai using it as yet another point against me is grasping for straws.  Bleh, I'm so exasperated at his attack on me I think I have to look away for a bit.  It's like a lump of saturated fat.

And if my cases on BBM and Ralkaria haven't interested you, Bard, then I'm pretty sad.  I'll make up for it by agreeing that Shadoweh's sudden defence of me, while appreciated (towards Zak, even) doesn't ring true given that I'm her only suspect for most of D1.

Let me think.

===

@ninjas: huhwhat, what do you think IHNN could have said against SS if you think he was just taking snipes at him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 12:32:10 AM
he had a bunch of reasons to find me suspicious but then only posted some jabs at my ed1, did nothing to convince people i was scum and then just took snipes at the main targets of the day which is Pretty Bad.
Misrep, I mentioned your ED1 but also your end of D1, and you exaggerated focus on roles.
Let's see, what post describes what I want to say here?
Oh right.
not reading the posts of his #1 suspect.
Hypocritical a bit maybe?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
##Unvote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:33:07 AM
issue is more than as town he should've been focusing on making me a viable lynch target instead of just posting some outdated reasons to suspect me then saying "yeah these people everybody thinks are scummy are pretty scummy"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:34:02 AM
id probably consider reading your posts if i was town and wanted to lynch mafia but i basically have this game in the bag and would rather coast
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
Also: I voted SS because between SS and Affinity I found SS a lot more likely to flip scum since when I posted, there was 0 chance of a wagon on HW which was and is my main scumread.  If my reasoning on SS seems a little flimsy that's because I will admit it is somewhat flimsy-but at that point my vote was only going to end up being for consolidation and would be useless if not on one of 2 people.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
id probably consider reading your posts if i was town and wanted to lynch mafia but i basically have this game in the bag and would rather coast
Non-town post right here IMO.  Why are we not lynching this in the...pixelated...duck...face...thing yet?

issue is more than as town he should've been focusing on making me a viable lynch target instead of just posting some outdated reasons to suspect me then saying "yeah these people everybody thinks are scummy are pretty scummy"
Well when the entire game thus far is D1 and I went through the entire D1 to try to make a case, not sure how you can consider my reasons "outdated".
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
zak thought i was suspicious so you probably could've gotten me to 2 votes and then actually pushed other people to vote me from there but. nope

ihnn cares too much about arguing with an itp because he's worried about his appearance. QED he's scum
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
Votecount

Serela(1): Shadoweh
huh what(1) I have no name
I have no name(1): huh what
Not voting(6): BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche, Affinity, Serela
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~71.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:41:58 AM
Not voting(7): Zakeri,
Uh,

<Dormio> YOU SAW NOTHING.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
HW 370:Well as everyone knows I'm okay with lynching BT. Maybe I'll even get an actual reason during the course of today, but I'm okay with waiting until d3 too, as we have plenty of cool lynches. Bard is totes not scum, regardless.
Shad 374:HEE HEE HEE
Also it's nice to see Zakeri is already fulfilling his meta again, except not really </3

Woah Zakeri has a vote and BT doesn't, is that right? Oh hey apparently not.

Not interested in a HW lynch until after Kotarou is found because if he ITP wins the game upon finding Kotarou then like why would we even bother lynching him

if he's still around around kotarou dies or in lylo or something sure I guess but

we have plenty of great people to lynch apart from HW so I'm not really worried, if HW was like the only person who seemed like scum it'd be totes different but

Gonna reread people later, and by later I mean see you tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:52:23 AM
lynching itps in lylo is a really good way to lose the game
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 12:57:08 AM
By around you mean until? And I guess it would depend on if he murders me tonight. >_> huh what if you want to be buddies you have to at least try to find the scumbags, my role pm says Town and I don't like cuddling with yellow people. (I'M NOT RACIST I JUST WANT TO KILL GERMANS AND LYNCH THE NON-GREENS)

cut well Serela is really good at losing in LYLO..
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:58:03 AM
meanwhile scum!IHNN has to re-read the thread and bullshit up a new case QUICK because the person he's voted is confirmed non-mafia
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
huh what if you want to be buddies you have to at least try to find the scumbags,
i did and im voting one.

like i said i'll try and make a real post tomorrow just so that town has some incentive not to policy lynch me (besides that it'd be pro-scum if they did but you know that's not gonna stop bard from pushing it), but today isn't really the best time so uh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
id probably consider reading your posts if i was town and wanted to lynch mafia but i basically have this game in the bag and would rather coast

You're not really helping your case, HW, if you're making a post like this. I looked at all of IHNN's evidence against you and I agree on every single case. So guess what?

##Vote: huh what

Cut:
meanwhile scum!IHNN has to re-read the thread and bullshit up a new case QUICK because the person he's voted is confirmed non-mafia

And where were you confirmed non-mafia?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:03:03 AM
well i'm not "confirmed" but if you look back at my d1 it's pretty obvious i was posting from the perspective of a third party; i was pushing 2 scum because 3 mafia + itp + voteblock is really, really unfair for town
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:07:26 AM
Not confirmed is not confirmed. It is not "obvious" that you were posting from a third-party perspective. In fact, as IHNN mentioned, you mentioned a bunch of different names in one or two line posts, even Shadoweh's and now from your posts you apparently want to be "buddies" with him. Hell, even Rai's back-and-forth had more justification than your mentioning of different suspects. You are REALLY not helping your case at all.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 01:07:45 AM
##Unvote HW
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:09:35 AM
Not confirmed is not confirmed. It is not "obvious" that you were posting from a third-party perspective. In fact, as IHNN mentioned, you mentioned a bunch of different names in one or two line posts, even Shadoweh's and now from your posts you apparently want to be "buddies" with him. Hell, even Rai's back-and-forth had more justification than your mentioning of different suspects. You are REALLY not helping your case at all.
WELL i'm sorry you think that and want to waste town's lynch on somebody who can remove themself from the game tonight.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:10:14 AM
WELL i'm sorry you think that and want to waste town's lynch on somebody who can remove themself from the game tonight.

Pardon?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:14:43 AM
if i target shadoweh tonight i'm removed from the game and flip

it's not like there's no precedence for this seeing as i was asking for koutarou's identity most of d1

anyway if town sheeps me on ihnn they will lynch a member of the mafia before i go :)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:17:03 AM
fwiw i can also see validon and affinity being mafia.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:19:14 AM
What would Koutarou be or be able to do? I seriously don't know what roles would be tied to what names, so at this point you're just being confusing. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:19:57 AM
if you're confused then you can work toward your wincon by unvoting me and voting ihnn instead. hope that helps
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:21:58 AM
Also, I can't believe you've been paying attention if you haven't caught my softclaim. Not that I'm an important role or anything, but if you caught on you would have seen that, no, I'm not mafia. I figured someone with knowledge of Rewrite could figure it out, but it seems everyone overlooked it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:22:53 AM
i dont read visual novels for nerds

affinity might be scummier than ihnn actually. Hmmm
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:25:21 AM
if you're confused then you can work toward your wincon by unvoting me and voting ihnn instead. hope that helps

Don't tell me what to do. I make my own voting decisions. No one forced me to vote you. I made that choice myself, so if you're going to just call me mafia on that, then you're even worse than I thought.

Cut:
affinity might be scummier than ihnn actually. Hmmm

And there you go, jumping on all kids of different names. If you say in your signature that you "lynch with passion," then stop going all over the place. If you were focusing on just IHNN, that's one thing. If you keep jumping like this seemingly randomly, then you are not helping your case. At all.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:27:22 AM
Of course, I know Affinity is a valid choice, but still, you've suddenly jumped on him again when before you were all for lynching IHNN. And before you called Shadoweh a maflord. Seriously, how many people are you reading scum?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:30:52 AM
dude my signature is modified copypasta

ok nevermind, validon is derptown, especially given what he said about the softclaim. he's also probably a job alt.

affinity feels really fake to me because of how much time he spends talking about his own predicament instead of scumhunting or expanding on his priorities. sure, people were voting him, but it was never that serious until the end of the day. it's really unnatural how quick he was to give up on pushing bbm, too. i'd probably lynch him

cut: shadoweh is basically confirmed town if she really is kotarou, but if you read my posts you'd know i changed my mind on her because of something zak said. other than that my scumpicks are ihnn + affinity right now, not sure who i'd go for after that because i haven't re-read in a while
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:32:07 AM
confirmed town to me at least, before validon makes another nitpick post
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 01:37:07 AM
Ugh I'm not getting anything from looking at D1 posts now.  Hopefully overnight my brain makes sense of what happened/people post stuff.  It's hard to find the scum in a game where everyone looks town  :ohdear: (everyone except the obvious huh what)

meanwhile scum!IHNN has to re-read the thread and bullshit up a new case QUICK because the person he's voted is confirmed non-mafia
This post makes literally no sense.  I was re-reading the thread to see if anyone else jumped out at me to look more in-depth at, and as Validon has pointed out you?re far from confirmed anything.  Also as Validon has pointed out, your play has gotten continually worse.  At this point I?m not likely to buy anything you claim because I think your play is that scummy.
anyway if town sheeps me on ihnn they will lynch a member of the mafia before i go :)
You said this about SilentShaman too and look how that turned out.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:38:31 AM
zzzz

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

change in convictions
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:39:29 AM
This post makes literally no sense.  I was re-reading the thread to see if anyone else jumped out at me to look more in-depth at, and as Validon has pointed out you?re far from confirmed anything.  Also as Validon has pointed out, your play has gotten continually worse.  At this point I?m not likely to buy anything you claim because I think your play is that scummy.
this is what nnr said in defcon and look what he and i flipped in that game

itps 1
mafia 0
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 01:41:46 AM
##Vote IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
I'm inclined to let HW suicide if he can kill himself tonight. No reason to waste our lynch on him. His antics by the end really do get me suspicious, but there's no real reason to lynch him now if he's offering to kill himself. Otherwise, we kill him tomorrow and all's still right with the world.

##Vote: Shadoweh

I'm really more interested in the scum lurking in broad daylight. And by lurking, I really mean lurking. Losing your vote is maybe an excuse not to do shit. However, the first thing Shadoweh's done today is attempt to replicate the situation that lost her her vote in the first day. This is not townie behaviour. Town should want to keep its vote. Moreover, she has not attempted to provide any sort of input on where to aim our anti-scum guns, and I'm sorely disappointed in her as a result.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:45:03 AM
Bard if you lynch Shadoweh I won't be able to suicide.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:46:32 AM
##Vote IHNN

The reason being?

Bard if you lynch Shadoweh I won't be able to suicide.

Also the reason being?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 01:46:39 AM
Validon: huh what is saying that he's a third party, which means he's not mafia, but isn't town, and his win condition involves targetting me in some way. I believe him. So voting him would be wrong. It's that simple. The worst that happens is he murders me tonight and disappears. The moral is lynching huh what doesn't lynch scum.

Of course I'm confirmed town, I'm the protagonist! How could I be scum!

cut: Of course I tried to replicate the situation, if Serela were a reflexive voteblocker I'd want him dead. However, I'm surprised you aren't commenting on something that seems even worse. Serela, have you uh, lost the ability to talk? Also huh what says I'm confirmed town so maybe you should bite me?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 01:48:05 AM
Hang on a tit, you need to target Shadoweh to be able to disappear? Eh... Not willing to suffer a Mafia to live just to let you fulfil a wincon. I'm confident Huh What isn't worth our attention at the moment and we should focus on Shadoweh. If he's a lyncher who's already fulfilled his wincon then he's at best a nuisance to town, but considerably less harmful than scum. I'd go so far as to say he's harmless.

Cut by Shadi. Serela DID talk today. Right here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977514.html#msg977514).

Inattentiveness is pretty awful.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:51:00 AM
The thing is that Serela's last two votes came without justification. I smell a rat, unless Serela can justify it.
Also, I remember that Dormio said portions of this game might be considered bastard. Serela's behavior in the last two votes might be connected, but I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud at this point, so don't take it too seriously.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 01:52:49 AM
If Serela's been hit with a speech impairment that's hardly scummy. Moreover, consider HOW it would be scummy: Unless scum seek to refuge in audacity, they're being too obvious. Huh What and Serela both are being entirely obvious and I'd rather we get on with it and hit the ones trying to sneak and hide away. Note how Shadoweh hasn't at all addressed my problems with her and just tried to get us to look elsewhere by saying Serela is somehow worse.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
The lurking is fair, I'm feeling a little sick from yesterday (which is why I got here just after the lynch :V) and reading is kind of giving me a headache, along with sitting up. I'll try to have something more substantial later tonight. In any case, I don't appreciate the act you've been putting on about how useless I am either, you've literally never said anything like that before and I suspect you're being a jerk for ulterior motives (maybe you're the lyncher! dohohohoh!)

Cut: ...You're right I missed that. He doesn't usually do that though. I will think about it more ~*~later~*~. However speaking of inattentiveness dumbass he's not a fulfilled lyncher?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 01:54:56 AM
serela is pretty town imo
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 01:55:09 AM
I also didn't say Serela is worse, are you implying I just told you to lynch Serela because he can't talk? There's reaching, then there's reaching with a passion.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 01:57:20 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche


(ripping off Serela's stick)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 01:57:45 AM
In any case, I don't appreciate the act you've been putting on about how useless I am either, you've literally never said anything like that before and I suspect you're being a jerk for ulterior motives (maybe you're the lyncher! dohohohoh!)

However speaking of inattentiveness dumbass he's not a fulfilled lyncher?

What does ad hominem have to do with this? I said you've done nothing to point to what you think are the scums. Will you refute this? You can't. Putting words in my mouth isn't town-like behaviour! Nor is crackpot theories about how I'm a lyncher. Huh Whatty already claimed Lyncher end of Day 1, I assume this means he's fulfilled his wincon of lynching SilentShaman. Since he hammered saying LYNCHER WIN and everything.

I didn't start with the name-calling, you did~

Cut.
Quote
However, I'm surprised you aren't commenting on something that seems even worse. Serela, have you uh, lost the ability to talk?

>Aren't commenting on something that seems even worse
>Proceeds to comment on Serela
I assumed "worse" as in, "worse than me active lurking", and I consider active lurking scummy. The only thing worse than that is even scummier behaviour.

Cut again. Lol OMGUS.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:58:33 AM
Also, if HW was supposed to target you to fulfill a condition, then why didn't he do it last night?
Cut: I'm not going to vote for Serela for right now because I'm sure that he can justify it. One of the two posts was something along the lines of "##Unvote HW," though, which makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:01:28 AM
Also, if HW was supposed to target you to fulfill a condition, then why didn't he do it last night?
she didn't claim kotarou until today

i don't think bard is scummy
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:02:11 AM
So yeah, Shadoweh just going OMGUS is a clear sign she isn't even TRYING to salvage the situation. It's clear she's scum trying to hide in broad daylight by posting sweet nothings and messing about as flippantly as Huh What. Would a Townie who's lost their vote temporarily really not use the opportunity to use their vote to actually do something useful? No case-making, no commentary, just trying to get herself voteblocked again and now using OMGUS against me because "halp bard voted me".

I can't reconcile this as Townie behaviour at all.

EDIT Huh whatty that's because I'm not but trust me if I was a vigilante I'd shoot you so hard for being an ITP. :(
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:02:41 AM
Sadly the Mafias Mods hate me and never let me roll Day Vig. ;_;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:05:51 AM
Oh my god. You suck. 5/5 case would sheep it. You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum. You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta. And you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me. I think you're either scum trying to spin everything I do into being scummy. I doubt you're a lyncher because that'd be weird with huh what disappearing too.

Validon no one is asking you to vote Serela other then the angry Bardiche. You should stop voting huh what though. And he didn't do it because he didn't get my super secret message that I tried to crumb to him. Also because he says he tried to target BigBangMeteor last night.

Cut: Bard are you being pedantic? SilentShaman DIDN'T CLAIM HER ROLE NAME. How could he have known he needed to lynch her, and you might note, SHE WASN'T THE ROLE NAME HE WAS ASKING ABOUT.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:07:55 AM
(I was going to make a case on either Serela or huh what actually but shenanigans, always shenanigans.)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:10:17 AM
fun fact: I had Kay down as town for not claiming her character name; scum would want to make their fakeclaim as realistic as possible and there's meta precedence for Kay flaking character details as town.

but i didn't push it because bard had just handwaved something else i said as wifom and i was pretty sure the same thing would just happen again. not really worth my time as itp but if affinity is mafia then you can blame me for not having a d1 scum lynch. sry :(

shadoweh what do you think of ihnn/affinity
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 02:13:29 AM
You want me to change my vote? Convince me why I should. If you can, fine, I'll switch to Affinity for reasons already specified by HW (yes, I agree with you that essentially all he has been doing is trying to defend himself without helping find scum). If not, I'm staying on HW. So convince me.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:14:32 AM
voting affinity has a chance of lynching mafia
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 02:17:29 AM
I was talking to Shadoweh. I know perfectly why you don't me to lynch you.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 02:18:42 AM
And again, if Shadoweh can convince me, fine, I'll switch to Affinity.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 02:20:12 AM
I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today. Wouldn't be surprised if Prims is an Assassin looking for Kotarou to win and shot Zak last night and the actual mafia NK got blocked. Prims, explain your role exactly, as well as what would happen if Shadoweh died tonight at the same time you tried to target her.

Now, that being said, I agree with what Prims said about Affinity and IHNN. IHNN's vote against HW is really bad; do you really think that if he was Lyncher, he'd celebrate about it right before lynching someone who wasn't even his target? My Affinity reasons from yesterday still apply, and his vote switch away from me didn't make sense with the reasons he was using against me. ##Vote: Affinity

Rai's case against Affinity doesn't distinguish between telling someone to talk about person X and voting them, so I don't agree with it, but his fervour makes me think he's more likely to be town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:25:53 AM
Quote
You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum.

I'm arguing that prioritising trying to lose your vote is anti-town, as votes are townie. Besides, what did you do Day 1 without vote? Did you try to push wagons on people you thought were scum? You don't NEED a vote to do shit, but it's tremendously helpful for townies to try and NOT LOSE THEIR VOTE so we have more votes than scum.

Quote
You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta.

I'm playing towards my wincon.
My wincon includes lynching the Mafias.
My wincon does not include lynching the ITPs.
You're the Mafias.
Q.E.D. I want to lynch you.

Quote
you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me.

I consider your actions to almost always be consistent with what I consider to be scummy behaviour (lurking, not making cases, flip-flopping flippantly about daisies, avoiding answering questions straight-up). That's not to get a rise out of you, that's because it's so.

Quote
Validon no one is asking you to vote Serela other then the angry Bardiche.

Misrep. I never asked anyone to vote Serela. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said not to.

Quote
Bard are you being pedantic? SilentShaman DIDN'T CLAIM HER ROLE NAME. How could he have known he needed to lynch her, and you might note, SHE WASN'T THE ROLE NAME HE WAS ASKING ABOUT.

Lynchers are told what player name they need to lynch. I don't consider it likely he'd claim Lyncher without satisfying his wincon. Besides, you knew he claimed ITP and still claimed Kotarou. How is this in any way Town? Assisting the ITP is not in my Grand Book of Townie Behaviour.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:28:09 AM
bbm if i was an assassin then you'd have died last night. i had a meta towntell on nnr and nobody else seemed to suspect zak so i don't think it's weird he bit it, especially if affinity is scum (look at where zak's vote was at the end of the day)

i'm actually not sure what would happen if shadoweh died on the same night i targeted her
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:29:53 AM
ugh I don't want to reeeeeeeeeeeead.  I said such nice things about Affinity though. Granted they were based on Raikaria being awful, but that was before the lynch. I haven't reread Affinity and I don't have time to right now >_> I liked IHNN's entrance. I'm sorry I'm a terrible buddy.
You don't think Bard handwaving your experience to get a town lynch is scummy of him?

Validon: What huh what says about his behavior is true, he's been pushing there only being two mafia, and being the third party would make him in the best positon to know. Also if he were an actively harmful third party he'd have no reason to out what he is to everyone, because he'd want to survive. Also what he says about needing to target me makes sense for the role he's claiming. Therefore he is at most a third party that will kill me and will leave the game on his own, and otherwise just a suicidal dude. So lynching him is pointless unless you like me that much.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 02:30:07 AM
Votecount

huh what(2) I have no name, Validon98
Affinity(2): huh what, BigBangMeteor
I have no name(1): Serela
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Not voting(3): BT, Raikaria, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:31:58 AM
i admit i was planning to just assume bard was scum who wanted to joint with me if he didn't vote me immediately today buuuuut i think affinity looks a lot worse and it's not like it's impossible for town to think lynching me would be a waste (i'm a harmless neutral, so i'm not considered a threat to the town like sk or something)

just because raikaria made a bad case doesn't mean that affinity can't be scum, also.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:33:36 AM
You don't think Bard handwaving your experience to get a town lynch is scummy of him?
not unless affinity flips scum, which is why we should get on that lynch
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 02:34:43 AM
##Unvote ##Vote Affinity
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 02:34:54 AM
Looks like I didn't need to wait for Shadoweh after all, although if she answers me, so much the better.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity


Also, yeah, Bardiche never asked me to vote Serela. No one did. I just thought it a little strange, that's all.

Cut: Okay, just making sure your opinion wasn't scum-motivated, but then again it was a dumb idea for me to continue voting HW anyways. Of course, if HW just leaves, we're down a potential vote for getting rid of the mafia. Then again, I assume being third party means that HW simply doesn't need to lynch mafia, which makes me angry, but there's nothing I can do about it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:37:37 AM
I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today. Wouldn't be surprised if Prims is an Assassin looking for Kotarou to win and shot Zak last night and the actual mafia NK got blocked. Prims, explain your role exactly, as well as what would happen if Shadoweh died tonight at the same time you tried to target her.
I find this highly unlikely. I didn't think Zakeri was the townest yesterday, but if you look at the common targets he wasn't someone you could visually throw a lynch on right away, so he could have been an early kill. Also it makes sense that huh what would target you if he thought you were iffy about him because he called out your name. I believe he is telling the truth. Also because Occam's Razor says the most likely thing that happened last night is the mafia killed someone.

Also please stop cutting me ;-; Yes I know Affinity could still b scum. I thought he was being reasonable about responding to the accusations on him though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:43:09 AM
tbh i think the scum are between ihnn/affinity/bard. got a meta towntell on bbm and bt just doesn't read like scum to me. affinity looks the scummiest of those three though, i can see ihnn just being town with wrong opinions even though i don't really like him

but i'm itp so what do i know right
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:43:51 AM
though actually ihnn pushing me as potential scum even after the itp claim is really ugh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:45:48 AM
i want it to be ihnn/affinity though, that would mean i guessed the scumteam a few minutes before the end of d1 which would be Cool
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 02:48:32 AM
Votecount

Affinity(4): huh what, BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98
huh what(1) I have no name
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Not voting(3): BT, Raikaria, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 02:54:07 AM
I thought he was being reasonable about responding to the accusations on him though.
imo he came across as more focused on fending off accusations than pushing his scumreads, especially with how little he enforced his case on bbm, something which made no sense to drop when bbm hadn't really improved and there was more substance to that case than "he jumps around a lot"

if you're not willing to sheep me than at least sheep zak's last vote of the day :(
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:55:26 AM
I'm busy pretending to hunt a vampire pretending to be a human, I'll look at it in a few hours damnit
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:24:02 AM
So why do you guys think Affinity is scummier than Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 03:34:31 AM
Because I'm the protagonist BITCH! Huh what probably wants to kill me tonight, so why don't you just let him do his thing?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:40:22 AM
You know what, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I could say that I think Affinity is scummy because all of his posts are focused mostly on trying to defend himself and not doing much to find scum, if you think Shadoweh is scummy, then why bother lynching her when HW is just going to kill her anyways? In this case, two potential scum will be killed in one fell swoop. It's not a bad plan, to be honest.
Of course, all of this is being said while I'm really tired. I need to sleep, then I'll think about this more.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:43:05 AM
You know what, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I could say that I think Affinity is scummy because all of his posts are focused mostly on trying to defend himself and not doing much to find scum, if you think Shadoweh is scummy, then why bother lynching her when HW is just going to kill her anyways?

Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:46:03 AM
You sure? I don't remember reading that, but then again I don't really think HW's been entirely clear as to what the hell getting Shadoweh killed has anything to do with anything.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 03:49:17 AM
So why do you guys think Affinity is scummier than Shadoweh.
my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:50:01 AM
my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one

r u 4 reel
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:50:46 AM
r u 4 reel

Oh wait you depend on Shadoweh to suicide tonight and I can't imagine why you'd want to suicide.

Unless that's your wincon.

Hold on.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:52:25 AM
my role pm says shadoweh is town, for one

Ah, now I understand what you meant by this. I was under the impression before the reveal that you were third party that perhaps you were a cop, but I was proven wrong. She is the person mentioned in your PM as your target, and thus since her role was revealed, you know that she must be town. I understand now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:56:04 AM
Yeah I don't see any reason why you'd be honest about Shadoweh being Town or Scum, since if you're ITP and suiciding in Shadoweh's arms is your wincon, then well.

##Vote: Shadoweh

This does not clear Shadoweh at all. No guarantee you're not lying.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:58:35 AM
Ah, now I understand what you meant by this. I was under the impression before the reveal that you were third party that perhaps you were a cop, but I was proven wrong. She is the person mentioned in your PM as your target, and thus since her role was revealed, you know that she must be town. I understand now.

Except for the part where in Mafia you can't trust people aren't lying to further their own agendas. Huh What's agenda is to achieve victory at any cost. It wouldn't be weird for him to lie to Town about Shadoweh being Town because all he cares about is suiciding on her probably. If that's his wincon (why the fuck else suicide?), I'm pretty sure that there's no reason to believe him.

The evidence of her behaviour speaks stronger than the words of an ITP.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 04:01:20 AM
Seriously though, rest of you: Why is Affinity scummier than Shadoweh? One provides content, one only gives empty nothings. I can agree that Affinity's content isn't stellar, but what's there is better than what Shadoweh has produced.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 04:09:19 AM
Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.
So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk still
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 04:17:20 AM
bard is just being pesco levels of obtuse imo. that's not a good thing but i don't see scum intent in it when nobody's being convinced to lynch you and would still rather lynch affinity. i also can't really blame him for finding your d1 scummy when you were indeed being lazy and there was a point where i legitimately thought you were mafia
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 04:17:37 AM
*lynch you and i would still
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 04:21:46 AM
bard is just being pesco levels of obtuse imo. that's not a good thing but i don't see scum intent in it when nobody's being convinced to lynch you and would still rather lynch affinity. i also can't really blame him for finding your d1 scummy when you were indeed being lazy and there was a point where i legitimately thought you were mafia
I can't believe I'm the one pointing this out but how did you think I was mafia if your role pm says I'm.. oh right, you didn't know who I was and wanted to speed lynch me. -.- And maybe but Bard isn't Pesco so it'd be weird for him to turn into a rabbit.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 04:44:02 AM
Bard, I think you're misunderstanding what Prims is saying (and he's too lazy to fix it). He's saying that by targeting Kotarou (Shadoweh), he will fulfill his wincon and leave the game a victor. Then the game will continue until either the town or mafia win. He's not saying that he'll die and lose.

Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.

a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 05:36:18 AM
Is this a policy lynch?  Is everyone serious?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 05:49:38 AM
I think they just really hate you? To be fair there's an itp on your wagon, but he thinks you're scum. You should probably claim.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 05:53:17 AM
I don't even get why my Rai case is bad, or why Serela (seems like a 180) and Validon are voting me, exactly?  Probably to go with the flow and the confirmed neutral?  But huhwhat could be wrong, you know.  The things people are accusing me of aren't exactly defendable, given that none of you guys with the exception of Shadoweh believe or register my words, apparently.

I'll address the BBM and Rai switch since most people seem to be angry about it.  No one seemed to be agreeing with my single BBM vote, and it was being pretty ineffectual and unviable.  Even huhwhat saying that it looked more solid than the Rai case comes as a surprise to me, since no one seemed to acknowledge it until I changed.  What's wrong with trying to point something out on Ralkaria (which others suspected to some extent) and pointing people that way, while still maintaining my suspicion on BBM?  It's not as if he had done anything new; he was on me and still is now, apparently.

And if I'm apparently scummy for this action, then why would I as scum switch to what you guys see as a weaker target?  Would I have anything to gain?  Would it be to seem multi-faceted or something?  I don't quite get it.

##Unvote
##Vote: BigBangMeteor

I'll... go with BBM again.  His vote on me today merely assimilates my voteswitch unto his existing reasons yesterday and his other opinions are morbidly uninspiring.  He hates IHNN for random reasons already stated, he hated Rai and SS yesterday as well for reasons already raised, but he hasn't really made a clear reason as to why the case on me is stronger than the others.  There isn't really much of an active push against anyone anyway; it seems like just a lazy votepark on an easy target without any opportunity for change.  It doesn't even have the amusing character of Validon's and Serela's change onto me.

We're not lynching Shadoweh today I guess.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 06:09:24 AM
affinity, how are you actually reading ihnn at this point?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 06:14:23 AM
Well, the weak are meat, the strong (in numbers) do eat.  Nishikujo, Vanilla Town.

On other people, I do dislike IHNN.  His case against huhwhat seems like somewhat questionable bits and pieces (two line average length, role shens, omgus-y stuff etc.) that don't make up a coherent, scummy whole.  His token defence of me yesterday also sounds rather vague (doesn't talk about anything anyone has on me) and seems like an excuse to vote SS, which he does by repeating the beef against him.)  I would be interested to know what he thinks now that huhwhat is supposedly itp.

Validon and Serela I am utterly confused.  Can both of you guys tell me why you are voting me?  Are you guys blindly sheeping?  Do you guys hate anyone else?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 06:27:25 AM
it's been heavily implied serela has a wordcount limit. if he doesn't then he should explicitly deny this next time he posts

i'll weigh your defense vs how much i suspect ihnn tomorrow, would rather focus on other things tonight.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 06:29:43 AM
whatever limit he has should be more than enough to justify votes I think.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 06:31:51 AM
one last thing
I can't reconcile this as Townie behaviour at all.
it strikes me as weird when bard says this about shadoweh of all people since he's played with her in previous games where she was similarly useless. i mean yeah, her play isn't very pro-town, but do you really think it's impossible for town!shadoweh to be playing like this?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 06:33:40 AM
i mean bard said what was basically the exact same thing about kay's behavior d1 which makes his conviction here kind of silly. i could probably make a case he's going after play that's hard to defend as pro-town rather than looking for scum intent
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 06:36:42 AM
Votecount

Affinity(4): huh what, BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98
huh what(1) I have no name
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Not voting(2): BT, Raikaria
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 06:52:34 AM
Hopefully I catch huhwhat before he goes poof (haha no way) but I'm still at page 14:

like i said i'll try and make a real post tomorrow just so that town has some incentive not to policy lynch me (besides that it'd be pro-scum if they did but you know that's not gonna stop bard from pushing it), but today isn't really the best time so uh
well i'm not "confirmed" but if you look back at my d1 it's pretty obvious i was posting from the perspective of a third party; i was pushing 2 scum because 3 mafia + itp + voteblock is really, really unfair for town
You should decide if your role is pro-town or pro-scum before bullshitting.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 07:54:43 AM
im still awake just not playing mafia but. even if a neutral is harmless it's a vote that isn't helping town, and when it can be removed from the game it's dicking with the numbers to make things more convenient for scum
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 08:09:10 AM
Mm okay. That was half a reaction test I guess because seriously. =.=

Onto post:

warning: incoming long post, my words are golden, read them all (not really but there are still a few things in there - hopefully i'm not a big serela here though)

I was not expecting this NK at all.

Yo, IHNN, you're thinking huhwhat is scum for a lot of things he does normally, though I can agree with the fact that he should make clear exactly who he finds scummy and why in a period of time. He's causing a lot of :chaos: regardless of his alignment and I don't think it's a good influence. Still it's super cute that you think he claimed lyncher seriously - though if you're town (and I think so) it's an example of why huhwhat should stop.

And then huhwhat claims non-town anyway. Well that solves everything.

About that read - I think he's coming off pretty strong and that's an accurate tell for IHNN. Or I'm rusty, but, well, screw that. I do find his focus on huhwhat solely kind of irksome especially given the True Weight of the case which is why I want to see him solidify some other reads.

~this is where that bit wrt huhwhat's quotes would have went had i not rushed it out the window~

Not a fan of Bard's push on Shadoweh, for currently unexplainable reasons. Not even because it's Shadoweh, just really bad gut. I'll probably return to that someday. --or now

EDIT Huh whatty that's because I'm not but trust me if I was a vigilante I'd shoot you so hard for being an ITP. :(
No you wouldn't, in fact your posts seem like you really don't care and I'm not sure why you trust his claim on face value so clearly when this is huhwhat we're talking about and he's been blurting all sorts of things all game.

How do you even reconcile huhwhat's claim and Shadoweh being scum at the same time? "She's so scummy" isn't an excuse for blindness.

Remind me, who do you think is scum? Surely you had some thoughts coming into D1 before you jumped on Shadoweh's (completely natural from town, but you're probably disagreeing in limeline) voteblock test.

I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today.
I'm in glorious agreement. That's a good sign.

I agree with the rest of that post (and townreading it) except for the bit about Raikaria. I found his insistence on CONSISTENTLY BAD ARGUMENTS scummy especially since even his bad town games have hints of good Townie Arguments(tm) here and there. ALL of his game so far has been bad scumhunting. I'm giving him today to convince me otherwise and that's it.

Those of you who happen to be sharp knives will recognize the similarity between IHNN and Rai. Yep. I'm wavering on IHNN too and I'm unsure on both. Go BT's Town Game

I'm arguing that prioritising trying to lose your vote is anti-town, as votes are townie. Besides, what did you do Day 1 without vote? Did you try to push wagons on people you thought were scum? You don't NEED a vote to do shit, but it's tremendously helpful for townies to try and NOT LOSE THEIR VOTE so we have more votes than scum.
If the vote worked as Shadoweh suspected someone would have lost it eventually anyway unless the whole game wanted to avoid targeting Serela intentionally.

A lot of your arguments here just seem like you're not thinking hard about them. I agreed with Shadoweh's short reply and am disliking you as a whole right now, if that's proof of some sort.

bbm if i was an assassin then you'd have died last night. i had a meta towntell on nnr and nobody else seemed to suspect zak so i don't think it's weird he bit it, especially if affinity is scum (look at where zak's vote was at the end of the day)
I suspected him.

I suspect some Avoidance of Powerroles has transpired here.

i'm actually not sure what would happen if shadoweh died on the same night i targeted her
Of course you wouldn't tell us what the actions does to Shadoweh.

ugh I don't want to reeeeeeeeeeeead.  I said such nice things about Affinity though. Granted they were based on Raikaria being awful, but that was before the lynch. I haven't reread Affinity and I don't have time to right now >_> I liked IHNN's entrance. I'm sorry I'm a terrible buddy.
So I was considering linking some of Shadoweh's posts that read Super Duper Town to me before but went against it for lack of Actually Being a Tell but fuck all. This doesn't seem fake. A LOT of her posts read this way. I don't think this would have been quite like this if faked. I felt the same way wrt her reply to Affinity's push on Raikaria. This is also twice in one post that Shadoweh's initial response to things mirror mine, not to mention the Bard fiasco. (ftr I don't AGREE on those two points now but those were my initial reactions which warrants Town Points wrt townhunting)

##Unvote ##Vote Affinity
Poor QB ;-;

though actually ihnn pushing me as potential scum even after the itp claim is really ugh
It wasn't obvious to me until you pointed it out so maybe it's the same for him, especially if he made a big case beforehand.

Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.
He also said she is CONFIRMED TOWN to him.

Are you serious.

Is this really Reading Comprehension Failure 101 going on here.

And then #446 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977620.html#msg977620) makes sense from Town!Bard. This is hard for me. Oh no nevermind the following Shadoweh post makes even more sense. <3

Affinity's BBM vote makes me frown.

I'm honestly more inclined to believe Rai is scom over IHNN just because people seemed to have forgotten about him miraculously. He seemed like a popular backup option yesterday yet that position seemed to have shifted to IHNN.

##Vote Bard

I do need to read Affinity.

ftr I did townread Bard yesterday but that's because of the Shaman case that ended up being on town and I don't remember anything else monumental (I even gutted him as weird at first).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 08:13:06 AM
I'm not even satisfied with my scum reads at all this game. It could be that Bard just had an awful D2 start as town but it's still concerning that he's content with blindly pushing Shadoweh off clips and only then checking the facts (if at all).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
:( if you think i'd make that hammer as town
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 08:19:13 AM
I don't even get why my Rai case is bad

1: You were literally only voting me for having a 'jumpy' vote in D1. Early/Mid Day 1 at that. Where between every time I moved my vote, the amount of content in the game kept changeing rather drastically. Voting someone for moving their vote around ED1 is not a valid reason.

2: You said you agreed with the reasons for SilentShaman's lynch, but rathered BBM. As a result, by voting me and giving up on the BBM lynch, you wee effectivly saying this vote-moving was more scummy than the reasons people saw Shaman as lynchworthy, and whatever your reasons for BBM were.

3:
You're trying way to hard with this.

The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.

I'll address the BBM and Rai switch since most people seem to be angry about it.  No one seemed to be agreeing with my single BBM vote, and it was being pretty ineffectual and unviable.

U...h, wait a second.

Ralkaria should be playing solitaire and not mafia if he is to insist about me 'manipulating' BBM's vote so rabidly despite my words.  At least there you can be bound by your own logical perspectives without repercussions.  Please get it into your head that a target is viable regardless of the number of votes on him at the time.

1: Of course you'd claim otherwise <_<
2: It's not my only reason to have voted you. Your hypocritical, illogical, hardly-reasoned vote on me which everyone else was calling you out on is also a reason. Not the main reason.
3: Oh, so suddenly BBM wasn't a viable wagon?
4: Please get it into your head that generally if people want someone lynched, they'll either say they are happy to lynch them or vote them, so therefor, number of votes and 'viability' of a lynch go hand in hand. There is certainly a correlation. To say your statement in that post wouldn't have made BBM particularly think of the Shaman wagon above all others is outright wrong. If you wanted there to not be misunderstandings, you should have said particular names.

===

I also agree with the points on Shadoweh in general, but also throw in her question-evasion D1.

Also that question from Bardiche to Shadoweh D1 about the voteblock is more important now Shadoweh has a vote.

As such, I'm not going to put Affinity at L-1 right now. Far, far too early in the day, and I want to see if Shadoweh feels like talking today:

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 08:20:45 AM
I'm calling this an off game already.

I WOULD usually try to differentiate between scatterbrain town and troll scum when it comes to reading you. And reach conclusion: anti-town.

I don't know. I don't even have that much motivation to read into things considering the 1001 other things I need to do right now.

Cut.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:22:30 AM
im reading everybody but bard and ihnn as town right now. coincidentally im also reading bard and ihnn as scum. makes u think
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 08:25:12 AM
What points for lynching Shadoweh do you agree with exactly? And she's talked plenty. Convince me that vote isn't super lazy.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche
#481 - #482 is a thing

affinity's reaction to the flash wagon was ok with me. the cool thing about being claimed itp is that you don't have to justify your gut opinions

i still really don't think raikaria is scum. he's silly but reads like he's acting independently of a scumteam
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 08:27:02 AM
How would you even expect to make Shadoweh talk with a vote like that?

Goddamn cuts. All of these are to Rai if it isn't obvious for future reference.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:30:00 AM
bt, the line about ihnn refers specifically to the post he made saying "I'm not gonna buy anything you claim because I think your play is scummy". it's overblown fake conviction and easy stance for scum to take because he doesn't have to fake further scumhunting, even though the Facts strongly point to me being ITP rather than mafia to the point that unless you're a newbie like Validon or really paranoid it's illogical to assume I'm scum faking. there would be no motivation for scum!hw to claim itp at the start of the day.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
i also don't think the rest of the aggressiveness really means anything other than "ihnn is trying to play differently than usual" since he sounds indecisive regardless of alignment most of the time
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 09:05:49 AM
I'm calling this an off game already.

I WOULD usually try to differentiate between scatterbrain town and troll scum when it comes to reading you. And reach conclusion: anti-town.

I don't know. I don't even have that much motivation to read into things considering the 1001 other things I need to do right now.

Cut.

If you think I'm anti-town vote me.

What points for lynching Shadoweh do you agree with exactly? And she's talked plenty. Convince me that vote isn't super lazy.

General D1 behavior.
Continued avoidance of Bardiche's D1 question, which is even more relevant now that no-one appears to be voteblocked. - This is actually really really huge

The vote is, again, an attempt to pressure Shadoweh into answering Bard's question about what she knows about the voteblock. The mere fact she hasn't come out and said 'nothing' means she probobly knows something about it. If Shadoweh is town, why isn't she telling town about the mechanics of this voteblock then, if she knows them?

The answer? She isn't town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 09:14:21 AM
raikaria you should vote bard or ihnn instead of confirmed town
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
raikaria you should vote bard or ihnn instead of confirmed town

How is Shadoweh confirmed town? I see no-one confirmed saying anything that cannot be a lie.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 09:21:44 AM
And even if she *is* confirmed, which she's not, she should spill the beans on the voteblock D1 that she knows of.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 09:28:18 AM
If you think I'm anti-town vote me.
That was to huhwhat in response to me giving his shenanigans a clear the whole game.

The vote is, again, an attempt to pressure Shadoweh into answering Bard's question about what she knows about the voteblock. The mere fact she hasn't come out and said 'nothing' means she probobly knows something about it. If Shadoweh is town, why isn't she telling town about the mechanics of this voteblock then, if she knows them?

The answer? She isn't town.
The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.

huhwhat: and you say noname's insistence on you being scum is scummy - how about this?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.

Except why would it be in town's interests not to explain? Or at least to say you can't explain? If it's something like 'She dies if she explains' she can say something like 'I can't tell you.' instead of outright evading the question.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 09:39:53 AM
I also agree with the points on Shadoweh in general, but also throw in her question-evasion D1.
Also that question from Bardiche to Shadoweh D1 about the voteblock is more important now Shadoweh has a vote.
As such, I'm not going to put Affinity at L-1 right now. Far, far too early in the day, and I want to see if Shadoweh feels like talking today:
Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on. I wouldn't put Affinity at L-1 though, because if the vote-taker is still in play, it would probably hammer him and I'm back to thinking he's legit, even if he won't give me town credit. :V

Rai is pretty unbelievable too, but at least he's consistent.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 09:46:52 AM
'She dies if she explains'
Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche
#481 - #482 is a thing

affinity's reaction to the flash wagon was ok with me. the cool thing about being claimed itp is that you don't have to justify your gut opinions
i still really don't think raikaria is scum. he's silly but reads like he's acting independently of a scumteam
Huh what when you come back just be honest with me, are you really voting Bard for hating or are you just kinda fuck whatever it could be true?

I was gonna reread but then I got high realized I like my vote JUST WHRE IT IS
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 10:32:47 AM
Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.
Secret lovers from the NHK?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
Yeah, like that kind of role.
(It's more because it's 6am and zzz is so nice)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.

THANK YOU.

That's seriously all you needed to say to get me off your back Shadoweh <_<. Even if it proves wrong later, then we can lynch you for it because Lynch All Liars.

And now we return to our main channel.

##Unvote
## Vote: Affinity


Reasons outlined in D1 and my first post of D2 and by like 3 other people.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 12:33:36 PM
Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.
So wait a minute, if you reveal a certain piece of information you die?
Remind me never to play another Dormio game again, thank you very much. I already suspect that every day a different random effect will happen. The first was a voteblock on Shadoweh, the second is this enforced silence on Serela. You can't fool me anymore, Dormio.
Enough of that, though. As far as things are going for reads, the only ones I'm definitely reading town on are Rai (seemingly random voting isn't necessarily scummy behavior IMHO) and BT (he hasn't given me any reason to suspect him). I don't have to argue about HW anymore because Shadoweh made a good point:
So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk still
Said point and BT's Huge Post of Thinking Out Loud makes me suspicious of Bardiche, though. I'm not going to switch my vote because Affinity has yet to prove that he's not scum in my opinion, but I'll consider switching switching to Bard if Affinity proves himself enough. I don't know whether or not he's lying.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 12:36:07 PM
I just realized: Perhaps these random effects are what Shadoweh can't tell us about? That would explain the voteblock, although I'm not sure if it explains Serela's silence. It could just be unconnected, though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 12:54:08 PM
Votecount

Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98, Raikaria
Bardiche(3): Shadoweh, BT, huh what
huh what(1) I have no name
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Not voting(0): Nobody
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~59 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 12:58:10 PM
Votecount
Affinity(5): BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98, Raikaria

Excuse me? There's one more vote than there should be. I smell shenanigans. >.>

<Dormio> YOU SEE NOTHING.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
##Unvote ##Vote IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:23:41 PM
...I give up trying to figure out what the hell's going on with Serela. It isn't a character or word cap. I think he can't do anything but unvote and vote at this point. Plus this vote seems just out of nowhere random. This is just a theory, but I think Serela isn't even in control of his own votes. I'm not sure, though. Once you're able to talk again, Serela, you better explain what the hell is going on, because you were able to talk at the beginning of D2 and now you can't.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 02:10:06 PM
Serela, post one word that isn't related to votes if you are able to.

(This is how you solve problems. :D)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
I wouldn't worry about vote hijackers. So far he's been voting logically (first on Affinity, the guy he seemed to suspect). Maybe he can only vote, though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
I also grant you permission to ##Vote BT (bold) if all you can do is vote, to prove the point.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
Shadoweh is confirmed town!
No. She is not. Huh What is not confirmed to be Town-aligned, and until such a time that he flips and the mod says his role included the knowledge that Shadoweh is guaranteed to be a Town-aligned entity, we have no confirmation that she is Town. We don't even have confirmation that Huh What is not scum refuging in audacity. This naivety is baffling. If BT comes out and claims he has role-related knowledge that IHNN is Town, should we all blindly sheep to that? Of course not; Until BT flips there is no indication of whether he is speaking in Town's best interest.

Huh What has claimed ITP and is gloating over how he doesn't need to scum hunt. And you consider his word to be helpful to Town?


Shadoweh is still scum.
She hasn't made any cases today. She's gone OMGUS on me, voting me because I suspect her. This is a textbook example of it. There is no attempt to refute why am I wrong, only attacks because I don't do x or y. Her content D1 has been exceedingly lazy. There are no attempts to clear any chaff or work out any confusion, she's just sitting there dolefully. Huh Whatty even agrees she is useless.

This is scum-minded behaviour. Sitting back and doing nothing lets her slip under the radar while we engage in the MOTK tradition of lynching the talkative people. MOTK has a very low track record of actually lynching lurkers. Today she throws up a huge stormcloud where I am her vote, with no attempt to actually convince others. Instead, Huh What seems to do most of that work. She's satisfied doing absolutely garbage, tunnelling onto one thing and not even looking past that. How is my behaviour scum-minded? How am I advancing a scum agenda by loudly going after Shadoweh? There's no explanation for that, yet my explanations for why Shadoweh is scummy are handwaved because "ITP told us she's Town, and obviously ITP has the best for Town in mind".

Mind Huh Whatty even said something about figuring shit out "tomorrow", implying he'll be around by then. If he was sure he's going to suicide tonight, why the hell talk about shit you'll do tomorrow? Is this really the guy you want to believe and sheep to and not think any longer?


Bard isn't voting Huh Whatty which is his meta!11!1!
Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.


Hold on, Shadoweh does this all the time.
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it strikes me as weird when bard says this about shadoweh of all people since he's played with her in previous games where she was similarly useless. i mean yeah, her play isn't very pro-town, but do you really think it's impossible for town!shadoweh to be playing like this?
Yes, I think it's impossible Town Shadoweh would do absolutely nothing when her meta is to shove into everyone's faces how Townie she is and generally being somewhat involved in the discussion. She's hardly involved in any.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
Mind Huh Whatty even said something about figuring shit out "tomorrow", implying he'll be around by then. If he was sure he's going to suicide tonight, why the hell talk about shit you'll do tomorrow? Is this really the guy you want to believe and sheep to and not think any longer?

I think he meant real life tomorrow, not game tomorrow. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:43:42 PM
Oh, but my main point still stands. He's not town-aligned, why are we trusting him?

Also, that quotation has nothing to do with the fact that I'm actually vanilla town. I mean I wouldn't want to die implying I'm anything other than vanilla town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 02:44:40 PM
I still do sincerely think that the huh whatty situation will be resolved overnight, so voting him isn't useful to me at this juncture because I'd rather lynch the scums.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
Bard can't see the Solution In Front of Him.

Huhwhatty will resolve himself overnight! ...if Shadoweh is alive.

If Shadoweh isn't alive, then we can wifom all the way to our graves over whether HW is being crazy gambit (I doubt it, because he's instalynch material if Shadoweh isn't dead and he isn't gone tomorrow, and this is a pretty odd thing to gambit about from first post in the game)

Bard, you can shove Shadoweh off a cliff tomorrow, let's just let the role shenanigans resolve themselves for us tonight first.

And, no, Shadoweh won't be confirmed town because obviously HW wants us to NOT lynch her right now. ('tho, seriously, when the day is about to end or something and you don't have to worry about her being lynched, please tell us whether she's srsly confirmed town or not to you)

Sheeping HW's case stuff on IHNN. I could repeat the reasons right here but I don't have anything to add, so :effort:.

Affinity isn't a town read and everyone's going to keep being hung over on him, seems pretty clear, so he's a distraction even if he's town and might even be scum, so I'm fine with lynching him too.

Only thing I have against Bard is weird reactions about role shens today. I mean, obviously HW can't "take care of himself" tonight if we lynch Shadoweh, unless he just immediately suicides on Kotarou's death. I had a town read on him d1. :T

Validon is :idon'teven:, and I should probably reread BBM, Affinity might even have a decent case on him; but I have work soon and I must scream. I mean leave. I have some flimsy silly reasons for thinking BBM is town but they're probably bad to actually put any weight into.

Anyway if you want HW to remove himself from the game (or more or less confirm himself as scum but I extremely doubt since this is a really ill-thought-out gambit if he's lying) then don't lynch Shadoweh kthnx. We can do it ~*~later~*~ if we really want her dead.

Bye!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 03:13:29 PM
Mind Huh Whatty even said something about figuring shit out "tomorrow", implying he'll be around by then. If he was sure he's going to suicide tonight, why the hell talk about shit you'll do tomorrow? Is this really the guy you want to believe and sheep to and not think any longer?
I assume he meant real life tomorrow. Ohph.

You sound like a politician. huhwhat claimed ITP but consider this:

Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.

a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
We CAN TELL huhwhat has role info on Kotarou because he started searching when the game started. Link that to the above.

To be frank, the huhwhat-Shadoweh interactions regarding the claim should also strengthen this assessment. There's too much evidence for you to honestly cite "she is scummy so this is a conspiracy" and be working in town's best interest.

I, for instance, have a good idea as to why I believe Shadoweh's claim should make her obvious town. I just laid it out for you. Your method of convincing us otherwise is "look at the ITP", which is shallow.

This becomes even harder to understand because your case isn't even that great. MAYBE if there was damning scummy behavior to account for, but notice that you're accusing Shadoweh of lacking scum suspects. It has been cited multiple times by multiple players that it's hard to get scumreads in this game. This applies doubly to a player who is known for being half the townie she needs to be as town.

It's also false that she's been sitting there doing nothing in general - the way in which she responded to Rai's case on Affinity, for example, fed us input directly.

Yes, she is voting you because you voted her. So am I. So is huhwhat.

Cut.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:19:09 PM
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Your method of convincing us otherwise is "look at the ITP", which is shallow.
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for you to honestly cite "she is scummy so this is a conspiracy"
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notice that you're accusing Shadoweh of lacking scum suspects

Are you intentionally twisting my words, or is this just accidental?
I'm not saying "look at the ITP" as a reason to vote Shadoweh. I'm saying he's no reason NOT to vote Shadoweh.

But whatever, I can see when someone's going to get off scot free with scummy behaviour.

##Unvote

I'll go re-read IHNN, Affinity, BT, Raikaria. See whether the transgressions of one exceed that of another. Kneejerk reaction is to vote Affinity, but I honestly haven't paid much attention to the other three because I was all "well seem pretty townie". I'm probably going to end up saying BT is pretty townie as well but clearly I must read someone who misinterprets.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
Those obviously aren't direct quotes. Just my way of posting.

The fact of the matter is that, yes, exactly, you're saying to disregard the claim-based evidence because an ITP is involved. There's more to it than that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:23:16 PM
Well, I guess Serela wasn't under a silence spell sort of thing after all. Okay, there goes the whole "random things happen each day" theory (although going with that for three votes in a row never helped you, Serela, and just served to confuse everyone).
And BT is right. Just because HW is ITP doesn't mean he is trying to screw us over. That's the only reason I trust him at this point, but of course if things don't go the way I figure they're going to go this night with the whole role debacle then I'm going to vote HW D3. Also, Serela's right: Affinity is a huge distraction for everyone right now. I say we lynch him, get him off our minds, and then we can focus on what's going on with IHNN, Bard, HW, and Shadoweh, because I don't want to change my vote until Affinity can prove he's not scum, which he still hasn't done.
Cut: That's still calling attention to the ITP, in a way. So BT's not entirely wrong. Do realize that your two statements are equal to each other logically: You want us to vote Shadoweh either way. Well, as much as I'd like to, I'm willing to wait one night. Only one night, though. If things don't play out with the roles, then I'll vote. Right now, I'm sticking with Affinity.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 03:25:32 PM
Why do you not bother to refute my argument as to the claim-based evidence's validity? If you're dropping that, drop the Shadoweh suspicion too.

Cut. Taking a shower.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 03:25:57 PM
That was to Bard.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 03:28:43 PM
Why do you not bother to refute my argument as to the claim-based evidence's validity? If you're dropping that, drop the Shadoweh suspicion too.

Cut. Taking a shower.

I'm not sure what this "claim-based evidence" is even.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:29:35 PM
You are talking to Bard, right? Never mind.
Also, I just realized in my cut that I said I was going to vote for Shadoweh if things didn't play out when I said before the cut I would vote HW. To clarify, I'm probably going to go for HW first, just to get rid of a ITP, and then I'd go for Shadoweh ONLY if evidence doesn't pop up that she's being truthful. I trust her, just not 100%.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 25, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
##Unvote ##Vote IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 03:32:16 PM
...You already were voting for IHNN, Serela. There you go, being confusing again.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 04:05:43 PM
If Shadoweh isn't alive, then we can wifom all the way to our graves over whether HW is being crazy gambit (I doubt it, because he's instalynch material if Shadoweh isn't dead and he isn't gone tomorrow, and this is a pretty odd thing to gambit about from first post in the game)
I will be absolutely flippant if she gets shot tonight. It's a good thing to keep in mind.

I'm not sure what this "claim-based evidence" is even.
Additionally, Bard, there are two possibilities here.

a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
We CAN TELL huhwhat has role info on Kotarou because he started searching when the game started. Link that to the above.
A lot of things can be argued about on the basis of huhwhat being an ITP. For instance, I think there's a good chance Shadoweh's in danger of whatever it is that's going on. Additionally, she's probably NOT confirmed town, but unless Dormio decided to mix up flavor and make the protagonist anti-town, there shouldn't be any way to reject the evidence towards Shadoweh being town. Yes, this isn't 100% factual concrete. No, you have not given sufficient reasoning on your part as to why you insist on holding onto your suspicion.

...You already were voting for IHNN, Serela. There you go, being confusing again.
He's probably limited to one big post a day + votes, either that or word limit still. Like Shadoweh, he probably can't admit it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 04:13:34 PM
But there's three possibilities.

3) Shadoweh is both Kotarou and scum. Huh What is lying because he doesn't want Shadoweh lynched, as his wincon involves suiciding on her tonight.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 04:16:10 PM
Do you think that first bit is likely?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: Validon
Affinity is a huge distraction for everyone right now. I say we lynch him, get him off our minds, and then we can focus on what's going on with IHNN, Bard, HW, and Shadoweh, because I don't want to change my vote until Affinity can prove he's not scum, which he still hasn't done.

Quote from: Serela
Affinity isn't a town read and everyone's going to keep being hung over on him, seems pretty clear, so he's a distraction even if he's town and might even be scum, so I'm fine with lynching him too.

Probably the saddest reasons ever in all my five years of playing mafia.  Like it's so sad I don't feel like playing any more.  Mafia is supposed the game where you lynch someone with reasons they can contend with, not a game where you single ppl out as distractions and leave them for the sharks later.  What changed?

Serela: Uh didn't you agree that Ralkaria's case on me was bad.  What changed in your perception of me.

Validon: how would you suggest I prove that I'm not scum.  you're not even addressing what I'm saying at all while I am trying to address what everyone is saying.  so lazy and bad.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 04:32:27 PM
Do you think that first bit is likely?

Would I have been voting her if I thought it was impossible? Nameclaims don't point to anything. There's been plenty of cases where a protagonist is scum.

Affinity are you AtE
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 25, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
You're lacking an opinion on a certain recent event.

Also: I think people think you're too preoccupied with addressing everyone's complaints. As you have shown right now.

Cut: Of course it's not impossible, as I've said in that very post, but I don't understand why you choose to oppose such high likelihoods of a slot being town for a case that isn't strong enough to justify that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 04:37:29 PM
...You know what, to be honest, I don't even know why everyone was voting for Affinity. If I remember correctly, it was for basically focusing on defending himself and not contributing much to the conversation in terms of scumhunting. There was also something about BBM that I never understood. Right now, BBM isn't giving me any reasons to label him scum, so that's one thing. Perhaps if you can convince me why you think BBM is scum besides "he voted for me," I'll get off your back?
Also, forget about Serela answering you. We've being toyed with by forces beyond our control. Screw it, I'm going back to the "random things happen to a person each day," except now I'll tack on BT's theory that they can't say what exactly is going on. I swear, if this doesn't get cleared up when the game's over, I'm never playing another Dormio game again. "This game may or may not contain certain gameplay elements which could be considered by some to be somewhat bastardly,"... I'm calling them bastardly and sticking to my guns with that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
By "don't know why" I meant "I don't remember," btw.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 25, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
@Bard: Do I make you cry?  It's probably AtE if I do.

@BT: About Shadoweh shens and Bard's controversial opinion, I think it is a reasonable one to take though I don't agree with it.  He's changing his vote anyway so I've no further issue with it until he finishes.   It doesn't affect my opinion of Bard, at the very least.

@Validon: This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977657.html#msg977657) highlights my current reason for voting him.  The idea is that once I flip town there is going to be absolutely nothing under his name other than a few nitpicks and questions against others that don't amount to much.  I think he is coasting.  And if you don't remember everyone's reason, then make up your own so that I can address it.  And if you can't, please unvote me.

===

Serela's post is quite indicative of the thing that seems to be plaguing this game's scumhunting.  Everyone who is safe to suspect is indeed being so without strong reasoning or analysis.  He'll vote them if he needs to, fulfilling his duty as a player in the game.  Scum feels pretty much at home in the midst of all this primordial ooze.

I'll try something different by saying in advance that I might change my vote to IHNN if I feel that people do not agree or acknowledge my case, or if BBM impresses me with fresher and more holistic views on ppl who ain't me, which amount to more than mere nitpicks.  Don't be overly surprised if I do.

Please don't lynch me before I wake up 8 hours later.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 05:22:07 PM
Fine. I saw that before and I wasn't really sure what to think of it, but I'll let it slide for now.

##Unvote

At this point, here's what I've been thinking about everyone:

IHNN: His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore. I don't think he is scum, though. He seems more interested in getting rid of a third party because most likely he thinks HW won't be useful. Due to a lack of talking from him on recent issues, though, I do not have a certain opinion of him.

BT: He seems to be helping the town as much as possible, and he certainly hasn't given me a reason to suspect him. So I'm reading him as town.

Serela: D1 I was reading him as just defensive due to the voteblocking issue, but due to this thing with Serela being silent besides voting and that one post makes me unable to decide whether or not he's scum. If telling us why this is happening isn't going to negatively affect him, I would definitely like him to enlighten us about his "condition." If not, though, I don't know what to call him.

BBM: I don't know. I haven't read him that much, so null for now.

Rai: To be honest, Rai's behavior makes sense in my mind from a town perspective. He is changing his vote based off of what's been going on and I can't disagree with him about that. Perhaps his scumhunting is just bad. For now, I don't know what to call him, but I'm leaning towards town.

HW: We all know he's ITP, although the details are still a bit confusing to me at this point. Shadoweh was right saying that if he was looking for whoever he has to look for, he wouldn't have to go searching for that person, am I right? Whether or not he wants to be helpful is something I don't know. For right now, though, I'm not going to vote for him unless things don't play out with the role situation N2.

Bard: I don't know whether to read him as misguided town or scum. I still question why he's so intent on lynching HW when we can let the role situation play out. I certainly don't agree with Bard's thought that HW is lying about Shadoweh's alignment, but that's not enough evidence in my mind to outright call him scum.

Affinity: The reasoning I had been using to vote for him has been based off of the reasoning of others, but at this point I'm not sure whether to call him scum or just call him ineffective town. I was leaning towards scum before, but now I'm not entirely sure. I'll wait for another development before making another decision on that end.

Shadoweh: I believe that she is town, but I am not going to entirely throw Bard's reasoning out of the window. For now, I trust her, but if she violates that trust or whatever is supposed to happen tonight between her and HW doesn't happen, then my vote is swinging to her.

These are very brief opinions, I know, but they're just general guesses. I'm only getting definite reads on like one person, so as a warning to the rest of you, I don't trust you 100%. I'm just not going to say much about it because right now nothing is really damning evidence against anyone.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 05:37:51 PM
Affinity's posts are full of snark for no reason, but his content make me feel slightly better about him. On the other hand, IHNN has made no attempt to update his HW vote and it's still bad. ##Unvote, ##Vote: IHNN

I think that Bard is probably town, I can't see his obstinacy being scum-motivated. When scum are in the minority, they're not generally that vocal or stubborn. I think his logic is bad but I can't see him as scum.

Bard, in cases where main protagonists are mafia, generally all the good guys are scum. We already have several flips of protagonists being town.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 05:49:14 PM
Sleeping for more than 12 hours is fuuuun.
I'm here, caught up with the thread, time to go more in depth...after I eat some food.

Quick thing on HW first: I'm still skeptical of his alignment but I guess if he's still around on D3 we can take care of him then...not comfortable leaving a claimed anti-town entity alive since my wincon involves removing all threats but fine, we can wait a day.  ##Unvote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
IHNN's vote against HW is really bad; do you really think that if he was Lyncher, he'd celebrate about it right before lynching someone who wasn't even his target?
I think it was a gambit to keep people from voting him today as he'd have already won, or was just trolling at the minimum.  If you looked at why I was voting him, yo'd have seen it was for continued focus on roles and not explaining his jumpy votes at all.
Bard, in cases where main protagonists are mafia, generally all the good guys are scum. We already have several flips of protagonists being town.
Or all the characters in play are good guys.  Assuming that someone is town due to the name they claimed is not a very good reason, regardless of circumstances surrounding it.

I dislike BBM's vote on me as I wasn't around to update my vote on HW (or, unvote in light of recent events) and the reasoning is "it's bad" and as qutoed above, it's bad "for thinking he was lyncher", assuming I'm reading BBMs post correctly (beside the point: in my post I said I didn't believe the lyncher thing and thought it a gambit)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 25, 2013, 07:12:06 PM
A surprising lack of stuff actually happening despite all the words.

Anyway, today's Affinity looks better than yesterday's. It actually looks like he is putting some effort into scumhunting now, and isn't being as random and inconsistent anymore. I'm still watching him closely.

BBM and Validion and IHNN feel useless at this point, although thelatter is curently re-reading and honestly hasn't been with us very long to be useful yet.

This post is good by the way, and I am not voting Bard for this post mainly. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977776.html#msg977776)

Anywho, Bard claims 3rd party, and Shadoweh says we should trust her based on that? Eh? And since HW is supposed to be playing to his wincon... why would we let him apparently suicide on Shadoweh to win?!

Shadoweh is also acting really badly. Like prancing around as if the claim of a self-professed 3rd party, which is not a town role, makes her suddenly super-happy clear town. Newsflash: It dosen't.

And no, being the Protagonist doesn't mean you're town. If I recall from my PM WAAAAAY back in TD Anonmafia, Reimu was the scums in the Anonmafia before that.

Personally, I don't trust Huh What or Shadoweh as far as I can throw either of them right now. I'm not gonna risk the game ending on a 3rd party win for whatever bizzare reason these two have.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on May 25, 2013, 07:46:49 PM
Votecount

Shadoweh(1): Raikaria
Bardiche(3): Shadoweh, BT, huh what
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
I have no name(2): Serela, BigBangMeteor
Not voting(3): Bardiche, Validon98, I have no name
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~52 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
1) Shadowmeh: I don't know what to think.  It's not the usual Shadoweh as others have pointed out.  Clearing oneself via ITP is not clearing yourself at all.  Complete lack of cases, or even visible suspects outside of voting for Serela (apparently a jokevote to open D2, seemingly trying to be voteblocked again wut) and then switcihng to Bardiche for...sheeping Serela reasons?  Actually I have no idea why, it's a blank vote.
You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum. You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta. And you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me. I think you're either scum trying to spin everything I do into being scummy.
is the closest I see to a "case" on Bard.  Bolded the important part.
How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim?
Where?  Looking through your posts I don't see it.
Would like to vote her but if keeping her alive another day removes HW from the game/confirms him as scum I'm willing to do it... >_<
Though that doesn't change that you should PLAY BETTER

2) huh what: Third party at best, super ultra gambiting scum at worst.  Will be dealt with by the end of D3 either way, either by winning on a suicide not being a threat any more or somehow being alive and quicklynched for being a scummy liar.
3) Serela: Solid D1, didn't see anything wrong with it.  D2 feels weak but that's probably due to being mostly wordless.  Has made at least 2 wordy posts so far, so I'm assuming he'll be able to make another.  Do you have any reasons for voting me that aren't sheeping the claimed 3rd party?
6) BT: He's BT.  I can't read him at all.  I do like #486 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977688.html#msg977688) though.  If I had to pick, null leaning town.

7) BigBangMeteor: Most of his reasonings are rather weak and hasn't really done that much today (but neither have I, yet).  His vote on me is weak for reasons I've mentioned and his only other focus is Affinity.  I know I've mainly focused on HW but at the time that was my most solid read.  What are your thoughts on Shadoweh?  Huh what?  BT even, any player besides those you've already mentioned really.

8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch.  Ever.
9) Raikaria: Town for wordswordswords and all those crazy theories.  Feels genuine, and keeps copying my opinions reaching the same conclusions I do.
10) Bardiche: Town for everything, but especially looking at every possible possibility surrounding HW/Shadoweh.  Oh and this post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977776.html#msg977776) (fakeedit: it's a very logically thought out argument that I can't see as fake)  Would not lynch.

11) Affinity: ...an odd case.  I've usually been able to read Affinity pretty accurately but this game...I'm not getting a solid read.  I don't see what he's doing as scummy but at the same time I don't see it as town either, just a heaping pile of null to me.

So I guess of the people available to lynch (obviously not myself, and HW/Shadoweh will be taken care of by role shenanigans tonight anyway) my strongest read would be BBM, and I'll admit it's still a somewhat weak read.
##Vote: BBM

-cut-
huh what(1) I have no name
##Unvote
Uhhhh...did you miss that, Pesco?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 25, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
Oh and just as a heads up I'm going to probably be AFK for a bit.  Have 16 pages of essays to revise/add to/restructure.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
Re-read done.

About Affinities
In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976370.html#msg976370) he's asking people to get off of him instead of doing the Town thing and giving incentive to get off of him, such as displaying Townlike BehaviourTM. His follow-up trying to do exactly that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976411.html#msg976411) has some problems. I dislike the flip-flop on Raikaria (being too verbose, but maybe it could be town) and that he later chides BBM for not considering Raikaria's "sizeable tirades", while not really considering them himself either. Unless that's what he meant by verbosity, in which case Affinity's flip-flopping on that.

The mention of Shadoweh and Validon is weird; Calling them wild cards is fine, but why mention them if you're not even going to bother forming some kind of opinion?

Affinity also flip-flops here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976905.html#msg976905) when he says the line of questioning is valid... but in the preceding post, Affinity said the opposite:
Quote
Yes, his Bardiche vote was rather hasty and provocative compared to his other alternatives, but as scum he could have easily selected those other people instead.
That seems to me to be saying it's not valid, since the scum alternative was unlikely?

Moving to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976905.html#msg976905), I don't understand what makes Raikaria a better vote than BBM for Affinity. In fact Affinity shows still concern with BBM over not answering a question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976981.html#msg976981). Again Affinity mentions Shadoweh and Validon as "detached", but no qualification of whether this is scummy, townie, or even worth attention. I think that looks a lot like cheerleading people to go a specific course without personally dirtying hands over it.

tl;dr Affinity's done some scummy shit and I can't follow his normally clear opinions and reasoning, I like that he's at least vocalising suspicions beyond BBM

On BBM
I'm going to be more brief here. Thankfully, BBM's content allows me to be.
His entire Day 1 is "Affinity". There are a few gems, like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976927.html#msg976927) where he suggests Shadoweh is coasting and even proposes a scum conspiracy. I distinctly recall in my vote on Shadoweh today that BBM argued pretty hard that she's town. What happened to this? Is she suddenly no longer coasting? It's scummy to have opinions that are inconsistent, as scum forge their reads; They don't necessarily remember whether someone was scummy or not.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977581.html#msg977581) seems to be arguing after the fact, because he did not mention Zak even a single time Day 1. There's also this false dichotomy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977642.html#msg977642), but that only makes sense as scummy if he's scum with Shadoweh.

tl;dr BBM has been vapid and single-track. His sole focus on Affinity is scummy when his opinions on non-Affinity are very few and between. He's been mostly voteparking on Affinity as there are very few attempts to get people to vote with him. Moreover, other scumspects are mentioned only in passing with no attempt to really outline why they are scummy.


On IHNN
I don't see any reason to vote him over any of the others.


On BT, Raikaria
No time to reread, I'll do it later.


Currently I'd vote BBM>Affinity though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
Huh what when you come back just be honest with me, are you really voting Bard for hating or are you just kinda fuck whatever it could be true?
i think he has legitimately done some scummy shit yeah

also bard tomorrow meant irl days. i'm probably not going to make a huge serious post though because that's boring when i don't have to do it
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
bbm why are you coasting so hard today. i'm claimed itp and i'm doing more than you
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
ihnn's actual case on me is complete shit btw, don't know why people are claiming his points were "valid" but i admit i never read it until last night so here's a dissection finally

I?ve already mentioned I dislike huh what from D1 due to the oneliners everywhere.  The average amount of lines per post is 2, which isn?t bad if the content is good, but that?s where HW falls flat.  His reasoning is almost entirely nonexistent (see here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=14781.msg975911;quote=975911) for an example, the line on Serela is the closest he came).
this is cherrypicking a post i made in the rvs to boost a wagon for the sake of reactions. if ihnn was reading my posts he'd know i elaborated on this later

His focus on roles is not beneficial to town on D1, or D2, or any day.
except i wasn't focusing on roles at all outside of rvs (where it was to kickstart discussion and there was little else to talk about) and some offhand set-up speculations (which didn't outprioritize my scumhunting)

He?s called NNR vigbait and a confused Validon someone he?d vig (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg976717.html#msg976717).  Directing a theoretical vig/influencing where they shoot is helpful?how?  It?s not, this isn?t Popcorn mafia.  Yet.
people do this shit regardless of alignment, including me. it's like voting bard for saying "cut by serela, one day i will roll dayvig and (etc)"

His end of D1 consists of suspecting anyone and everyone who had been suspected, as seen in (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977048.html#msg977048) these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977060.html#msg977060) ending (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977088.html#msg977088) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977142.html#msg977142).  Worth noting that here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977065.html#msg977065) HW did not suspect Affinity but switched to him over SS, someone he called scum several times, due to SilentShaman?s claim.  This looks to me like going with the flow of the game posts a lot to seem active and the few ?original thought processes? are role shenanigans and not actual scumhunting.
this isn't actually a scummy thing. people come up with multiple reads over the course of the day and it's easy to see how my suspicions on shadoweh develop by reading my posts. i say "suspicions on shadoweh" because that was the only person linked who i suspected last minute. kay i had found scummy the entire day, and interestingly if ihnn had kept reading he'd know that I WAS NOT SERIOUSLY SCUMREADING VALIDON AND WANTED TO KNOW HOW HE'D REACT TO THE QUICKLYNCH THREAT which makes that link cherrypicking again.

the point about me switching to affinity over ss is garbage because where's the scum intent there? all you know is that i switched the wagons off of somebody who flipped town to an unknown. worst case scenario i switched it from one townie to another, best case scenario i switched it to unflipped scum, but either way this draws attention and has no benefit for scum. ihnn is essentially trying to say i'm scummy for changing my mind.

This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977163.html#msg977163) implies that he?s a lyncher, though here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975805.html#msg975805) he claimed PGO (and said it was a serious claim).  I highly doubt that these would be together even in a Dormio setup, but this is just the icing on the cake that I believe HW is doing all he can to try to survive over finding scum.  Even his opening post of D2 is like that, ?PoEing? scum to Bard/BT, going back to the Kotarou character/role shenanigans and making a blanket vote on me, possibly because I expressed suspicion of him D1.  Purpose of this paragraph?  I believe the lyncher thing is a gambit to keep people from voting him as "he's fulfilled his win condition" and the PGO claim is another gambit to keep people from wanting to kill him at night.
this is all incredibly useless idle speculation that has nothing to do with my alignment and amounts to trying too hard. the lyncher win post was obviously a joke given that i did not leave the game under a lyncher win immediately after. it makes no sense to say i'd claim pgo to stop people from killing me at night when there's not even any guarantee of a nightvig. if ihnn had said SCAN then yeah but his thought process jumping to NKs makes no sense for town...... unless hes scum who wanted to nk me..... hmm

so yeah he's voting me for a bunch of minor nitpicks that have nothing to do with scum intent and generally fails to check his facts. the conviction here is pretty disproportionate and i wouldn't be surprised if he's just scum seeing what sticks

not to mention he should've brought most of this up back in his first contentpost d1 when he said his vote would've been on me but no all he posted was some vague attacks on my rvs. this was ihnn's idea of pushing his "#1 scumread"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: IHNN
hey cool there's a wagon on him now. i think he's scummier than bard and even if he's town he deserves to die out of spite because his case on me is actually that horrible
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 09:24:35 PM
Excuse me if I'm being useless, but you guys have the benefit of metagaming. I don't have that. Thus, the best I can do is listen to opinions, not make them. If you can convince me someone's being scummy, I will listen. But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact I trust no one at this point. Except BT. He isn't really reading scum to me at all.
Another thing. Rai, did you actually read my opinions? They might be short, but I HAVE been paying attention. It's just that other people make the strong arguments before I can, so all I can do is agree or disagree. Pure and simple. I don't want to hear the words "newbie" or "useless" around my name again. Because guess what? I have a vote, and I can use it. That's not useless.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 09:26:03 PM
But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact I trust no one at this point

This should read "But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact that I trust no one at this point, that doesn't mean I'm going to just jump at the first potential wagon that shows up."
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 09:29:52 PM
This should read "But you have to do some heavy convincing, because despite the fact that I trust no one at this point, that doesn't mean I'm going to just jump at the first potential wagon that shows up."
vote ihnn
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
Rereading the recent opinions, I see that there's an even more valid case on BBM than there was on Affinity. No wonder I never got a really good read on him: He's been absent for practically most of the day and hasn't really been involved. Bard's and IHNN's reasonings on him seem to match up, and I remember Affinity's post which stated his reasons for voting. Funnily enough, that was the post he defended himself with. So, without further adieu...

##Vote: BigBangMeteor

One question, though: If HW fulfills his wincon tonight, is that an automatic end of the game right there for everyone else?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 09:48:24 PM
Raikaria
Super active. EFFORT = Townie imo. The amount of trying hard here seems to be genuine town effort. I can't imagine scum being so involved in everything. Raikaria's vote is all over the place but he continuously explains his thought processes and these read clear and solid to me. Would not lynch.

IHNN
Weirdest thing is between this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977024.html#msg977024) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977162.html#msg977162), but IHNN adequately explained the discrepancy.

I seriously see nothing I want to lynch in IHNN.


##Vote: BBM, though if a sudden Shadoweh wagon appeared I'd join that in a heartbeat. Needless antagonism I admit is making me want to lynch her beyond feeling she is scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 09:49:59 PM
Oh, I read IHNN twice but forgot BT.

BT are you scum and do I need to ISO you.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
Weirdest thing is between this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977024.html#msg977024) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977162.html#msg977162), but IHNN adequately explained the discrepancy.

I seriously see nothing I want to lynch in IHNN.
i, too, can read a player selectively because theyre my scumbuddy and i don't want to lynch them
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
I know my play today hasn't been good. I'm townreading almost everyone in the game and I don't really have a lot to say that hasn't already been said. I could make a large wall of text saying why I think BT/Bard/Rai/Shadoweh/Validon/Serela are all probably town, but I've given the reasons for my townreads on them individually (except maybe BT) Additionally, I haven't really felt in a mafia mood the last day, and my internet was bad for a few days before that, which has made it difficult for me to get into the game.

Bard- I changed my opinion on Shadoweh because of her character claim. It's flavourspec but whatever. I don't think she's playing well but I don't think she's scum either. I'd probably lynch her over the other listed townreads, but I don't particularly want to go after someone claiming the main character when another person's role confirms their existence in the game and when I find other people scummy as well. I also haven't really heard a compelling argument for why Kotarou would be scum when people like Yoshino and Lucia aren't. As for Zak, if you notice, I missed almost the entirety of the latter half of D1, so I didn't really have much opportunity to go after Zak.

IHNN's play sort of reminds me of AA, though I don't really know how he plays as town. I see a small quantity of large posts that don't really have much content in them though, and his reads are weak.

Going to look a bit into Zak's posts to see who he found scummy because really I can't see why the mafia would kill him. Even if they thought he was town, there were other people who also looked townie, and had more posts and hadn't subbed in halfway into D1.

My posts haven't been frequent, yeah, but I've given opinions on most of the people alive today at one point or the other, so my focus hasn't really been single-track. It's just that most of the other people are probably town so yeah.

Scumteam is probably composed of IHNN and Affinity IMO.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:04:52 PM
for real tho bard do you really not see how blatantly scummy it is that ihnn has me as his #1 scumread d1, but can't be assed to push me for anything other than some weak and outdated ed1 reasons?

he said right here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977041.html#msg977041) that there were a bunch of reasons he suspected me that he didn't have time to post...... only he could have distributed his time when he made his initial post to write a Killer Case on me but instead focused most of the post on Affinity and Kay and didn't even vote me. he literally did not care about trying to lynch the guy he suspected the most until d2 where his case was utter shit (refer to my rebuttal). zak was voting me so it's not like there was no interest

and other than his badcase on me his opinions are completely unimaginative.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:06:22 PM
affinity you should swing the wagons to ihnn, if i need to write a bbm defense to convince you i'll do it
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 10:13:21 PM
BT
Biggest thing is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977688.html#msg977688), as Day 1 content is satisfactory. I guess this is a belated defence.

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No you wouldn't, in fact your posts seem like you really don't care and I'm not sure why you trust his claim on face value so clearly when this is huhwhat we're talking about and he's been blurting all sorts of things all game.

How do you even reconcile huhwhat's claim and Shadoweh being scum at the same time? "She's so scummy" isn't an excuse for blindness.
I think those that know me can agree that if I had a vig and I could launch it right now or tonight, it would hit Huh What with 100% certainty. Maybe I don't care about Huh What because he'll die tonight? And maybe I don't mean he'll be dying by virtue of his own role? Of course, I'm vanilla, so don't assume I'm implying anything here. (Don't kill me Dormio.)

I reconcile Huh What's claim with Shadoweh being scum by virtue of HUH WHAT HAS NO REASON TO BE HONEST TO TOWN SINCE HE FURTHERS HIS WINCON BY ALLOWING SHADOWEH TO LIVE, HE MIGHT AS WELL BE LYING.

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If the vote worked as Shadoweh suspected someone would have lost it eventually anyway unless the whole game wanted to avoid targeting Serela intentionally.
A lot of your arguments here just seem like you're not thinking hard about them.

The first would be legit if Shadoweh did not treat her first loss of vote as a reason to coast and lurk. Intentionally attempting to replicate that situation reeks of acquiring an excuse to do it another day. If we can believe Shadoweh, she was also attempting to find reason to just call for Serela's lynch. Do you not see how incredibly lazy that is? For a scum!Shadoweh, it'd be insanely awesome if she could coast by Day 1 and 2.

Maybe you guys aren't thinking hard enough?

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He also said she is CONFIRMED TOWN to him.
Are you serious.
Is this really Reading Comprehension Failure 101 going on here.

See above. No reason to believe Huh What is telling the truth. I remember when MOTK let me coast to victory on an ITP claim. The moment Town stops thinking and blindly believing everything is the moment scum wins.

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And then #446 makes sense from Town!Bard. This is hard for me. Oh no nevermind the following Shadoweh post makes even more sense. <3

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So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim?

See:
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I think those that know me can agree that if I had a vig and I could launch it right now or tonight, it would hit Huh What with 100% certainty. Maybe I don't care about Huh What because he'll die tonight? And maybe I don't mean he'll be dying by virtue of his own role? Of course, I'm vanilla, so don't assume I'm implying anything here. (Don't kill me Dormio.)

and

If Shadoweh is Town, why did she help a claimed Lyncher by claiming her identity with candour? There's no Pro Town in helping ITP achieve their wincon. Also, "Kotarou" isn't a rolename. "Cop" is a rolename. Claiming flavour is generally harmless and the argument falls flat if you consider flavour isn't indicative of alignment.



So basically, Day 1 BT is Town and Day 2 BT is being silly because he's using "Huh What is totally honest" as a springboard to clear Shadoweh on and votes me because I'm apparently being lazy. Even if I completely laid out why Shadoweh is scum even independent of HW's existence, which is coasting, lurking and doing fuckall today but OMGUS vote and sit on that. If that's Townie behaviour, I'm Santa.

THIS CHANGES NOTHING AND I STILL AM SATISFIED WITH A VOTE ON BBM
ALL LOVE MUST PERISH



Cut by BBM. ... With flavour arguments, of all things.
i, too, can read a player selectively because theyre my scumbuddy and i don't want to lynch them
Huh What says it best. You're seriously going to uphold "~*flavour*~" in a game with claimed bastard mod elements? "Flavour" has no place in a Mafia game. As a mod, you have FAILED the moment players can deduce alignments from flavour alone. I like to think Dormio is halfway competent at the very minimum, so this much should be possible.


I don't want to lynch IHNN because I don't think he's scum. I think it's reasonable to vote someone who has more popularity and who you also think is scum than your main scum read if no one agrees. See: Shadoweh. I admit I had not noticed he was using solely ED1 reasons so I'll go back and double-check that.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 10:20:25 PM
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977489.html#msg977489) seems to be updated enough?

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Even his opening post of D2 is like that, ?PoEing? scum to Bard/BT, going back to the Kotarou character/role shenanigans and making a blanket vote on me, possibly because I expressed suspicion of him D1.  Purpose of this paragraph?  I believe the lyncher thing is a gambit to keep people from voting him as "he's fulfilled his win condition" and the PGO claim is another gambit to keep people from wanting to kill him at night.

This seems pretty recent with the times.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
i'm talking about when he suspected me in his d1 post and made no attempt to get me lynched

(also those quoted points are nitpicks that say nothing about why my posts have scum intent and are made to seem like he has more on me than he really has, just saying)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
Bard, I never pretended that I had a non-flavour reason for finding Shadoweh town. Go back through my posts. Each one defending her has something to do with the fact that she claimed Lyncher. As for her claiming despite Prims claiming Lyncher... really? It was pretty obvious IMO that the Lyncher thing was a joke, especially as Prims would never out it if he wasn't about to win. Prims was talking about Kotarou from the very beginning of D1. I don't think that's a lie. Obviously he doesn't want Kotarou to die. That doesn't mean that Kotarou is scum either.

Going through Zak's posts, his main suspicions were on Prims and then Affinity, which reinforces the idea of them possibly being Assassin and mafia. We'll see on D3 I guess.

Prims, there's no proof but your word that you targeted me last night. You could easily have been the source of the Zak kill.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
bbm's speculation about me killing zak is a towntell btw.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
IHNN: His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore. I don't think he is scum, though. He seems more interested in getting rid of a third party because most likely he thinks HW won't be useful. Due to a lack of talking from him on recent issues, though, I do not have a certain opinion of him.
what do you think about his opinions on me given my counterargument to his case, and the fact that he made no effort to push what he could have pushed d1?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Basically everyone's vote against me comes down to me not having posted enough content and not having given enough reads, since I can't actually see anyone analyzing why my Affinity vote was bad (except Affinity himself, but that's only in defence). Therefore I'll repost what I've said about others, and since people don't think I have any non-Affinity content, I'll make it mostly out of quotes of my old posts.

Rai

Rai's case against Affinity doesn't distinguish between telling someone to talk about person X and voting them, so I don't agree with it, but his fervour makes me think he's more likely to be town.
To expand, I think scum generally want to start backing off when they're in the minority and people are attacking them for having bad logic. They change their minds, apologize for their mistake maybe, and attack someone else. Rai didn't do that, and kept sticking with his case for quite a while.

Shadoweh

a) Shadoweh is Kotarou. This means she's town.
b) Shadoweh is not Kotarou, and is scum. However, according to Prims's wincon, Kotarou exists in this game. If Shadoweh wasn't Kotarou, someone would have counterclaimed. For there to be no CC, Prims must be lying, and must therefore also be mafia. That means they'd be tying each other together an awful lot for two scumbuddies.
I guess for the sake of completeness, there's option c) Prims is telling the truth, but Kotarou is scum. This option is still highly unlikely. Yes, my reasons for finding him town are based on flavour. So?

Serela
Serela's confused reaction to the voteblocking doesn't read fake to me, and because this type of role just seems more likely to be scum than town, I'm inclined to say he's town at the moment.
This is from D1 but it still holds and I think his D2 posts have been decent.

Bard

I think that Bard is probably town, I can't see his obstinacy being scum-motivated. When scum are in the minority, they're not generally that vocal or stubborn. I think his logic is bad but I can't see him as scum.

Validon

I thought I'd said more about him but I guess not. His posts near the beginning read like town who didn't really know what to do. I think if he was scum, his buddies would have given him more advice. I know it's a possibility his buddies were inactive, but his posts were sort of confused well into D1, beyond after everyone had posted. Additionally, his tone in response to people calling him a newb reads town because if he was scum, why would he want to be seen as a more experienced player? When people know you're new, and they keep insisting you're new, protesting so vehemently against it is just giving up the ability to coast a little.

BT

I don't really have anything solid to say about him, but his content and effort reads town.

I didn't post a LOT about these people, but I don't see a real reason to state again and again who my townreads are and my reasons for finding them town when most of them aren't in danger of being lynched.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 25, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
Votecount

BigBangMeteor(4): Affinity, I have no name, Validon98, Bardiche
I have no name(3): Serela, BigBangMeteor, huh what
Bardiche(2): Shadoweh, BT
Shadoweh(1): Raikaria
Not voting(0): Nobody
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~49 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 11:06:11 PM
i think it's unfair to fault bbm for not having a bunch of scumreads other than affinity / ihnn since i am also townreading most of the game.

bard isn't town though. when raikaria acts super obstinate it's a towntell because he's not self-aware. bard actually knows what he's doing and would definitely push shadoweh if he thought he could get away with it as long as town could still mislynch without his vote
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
I certainly never said that your vote against Affinity is scummy, considering I thought him scummy before you even brought it up for reasons everyone has stated already. Welp, there goes another potential lynch candidate.

##Unvote

@HW: Well, if I'm reading it right he's also basically saying he'll let things play out this night and see what's going to happen D3... which is what I was going to do as well. Also, I still want to know whether fulfilling your condition leads to the automatic end of the game, because if it does, then I DON'T want to let things play out, and I WILL vote Shadoweh regardless of being town or scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
i don't see why you're asking me this since you'd have no reason to believe me either way but no, my victory does not in the game. usually in these sorts of game sthe only wincons that do are town's, scum's and a sk's

i know ihnn is planning to let things wait out until d3 now, but i'm talking about his actions from before this on d1 and d2
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 11:13:33 PM
*end the game
*of games the

typing 2 hard
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
But I don't think enough people were agreeing with him for him to push that hard for that long. Basically, I don't think that town would still mislynch without that vote. That he's specifically refusing to take anything at all that you might say as true, not bothering to discern where there's a point to you lying, also reminds me of last game where he was so annoyed about my attitude towards thirds.

Another thing I dislike about IHNN is that he calls out Prims for having mostly short posts even though there was plenty of content in the posts. It also doesn't go together with him saying that Prims was jumpy. If he was jumpy and disjointed, that means that Prims was talking about a lot of stuff, no? How can his posts have not very much content then?

Whether Prims is an Assassin or just some type of Guesser, I doubt he ends the game because that could mean that Prims could win on N1 despite whatever town did, short of lynching him D1. That would be incredibly lame and not very fair to the town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 25, 2013, 11:19:54 PM
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not bothering to discern where there's a point to you lying,

Actually, as I said, if he wants to suicide on Shadoweh tonight to win, he stands to gain everything from lying about Shadoweh being confirmed Town to him. Pls. Pls do you even read.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 11:20:09 PM
But I don't think enough people were agreeing with him for him to push that hard for that long. Basically, I don't think that town would still mislynch without that vote.
well consider who bard is currently voting (hint: it's not shadoweh)
keep in mind that all this happened within a 24 hour period. it's not like he was tunneling on shadoweh for an entire day phase

That he's specifically refusing to take anything at all that you might say as true, not bothering to discern where there's a point to you lying, also reminds me of last game where he was so annoyed about my attitude towards thirds.
this is just bard's general opinion on third parties, something which would stay consistent regardless of his alignment
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 25, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
I was gonna reread but then I got high realized I like my vote JUST WHRE IT IS
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 11:58:27 PM
Actually, as I said, if he wants to suicide on Shadoweh tonight to win, he stands to gain everything from lying about Shadoweh being confirmed Town to him. Pls. Pls do you even read.
Nobody is saying that Kotarou is confirmed town because Prims is saying he is. What people are saying is that because of Prims, we can assume that Kotarou EXISTS. Even you're not denying this. And then since nobody has CCed Shadoweh being Kotarou, we can assume that Shadoweh is Kotarou. Then, since Kotarou is the main character of the VN, Shadoweh is probably town. Yes, it's possible that the main character might be scum. But is it likely, when both his friend and one of his love interests have flipped town?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 25, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
Well, more than the amount of time that Bard was voting Shadoweh, it's the amount of posts that he made about it in that short period that make me think he's town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 12:03:33 AM
i think the flavor spec is badlogic since the last time dormio hosted the protagonists were mafia and lover sks respectively, but i also don't see scum!bbm pushing this weak point so hard when it would just make a townie harder to lynch
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
we can assume that Kotarou EXISTS. Even you're not denying this. And then since nobody has CCed Shadoweh being Kotarou, we can assume that Shadoweh is Kotarou. Then, since Kotarou is the main character of the VN, Shadoweh is probably town. Yes, it's possible that the main character might be scum. But is it likely, when both his friend and one of his love interests have flipped town?

Sigh, I think we're just not going to agree about how using flavour to clear people is a horrible, horrible idea, are we? Yes, it's just as likely as the MC not being scum. It's a nulltell. I'm one of the MC's love interests as well, does that make me close-to-confirmed Town? I mean, one of his other love interests flipped Town as well! This line of reasoning isn't good, but we'll talk about that in the aftergame, because clearly I'm not convincing you now.

i think the flavor spec is badlogic since the last time dormio hosted the protagonists were mafia and lover sks respectively, but i also don't see scum!bbm pushing this weak point so hard when it would just make a townie harder to lynch

Yeah, I think I have to agree with you. (SHOCK, AWE)

I'm starting to think BBM is not the scums because the scums wouldn't persist on a point as terrible as that when at least one person has criticised it with a vote to accompany that.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity


GUT, and scummiest person alive as per previous mentioning when we take BBM out of the equation. Unless someone can rehash a convincing case on why IHNN must die today instead. Honestly, I'm kind of burnt out.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 12:08:28 AM
hw r u lovers wit shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 12:09:42 AM
maybe :)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 12:10:04 AM
bard r u lovers wit shadoweh, irl
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
bard r u lovers wit shadoweh, irl

If we were, would she really have overreacted as much as she has, what with the namecalling and such?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 12:50:00 AM
See, generally in games with flavour that other people know, the mafia are given character fakes, because a character claim would otherwise break the game. You saying that your character is a love interest doesn't really mean anything because you could be lying, and the character you're saying you are might not be in the game at all. On the other hand, there is a claimed role that confirms the existence of Kotarou in the game. So that makes me think that Shadoweh is town.

Prims, if you think the flavourlogic is bad, why do you think Shadoweh is town?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 26, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
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affinity you should swing the wagons to ihnn, if i need to write a bbm defense to convince you i'll do it

I admit BBM's last posts have made me feel cozy inside, but I'm afraid his opinions post barely cuts it for me.  He seems like he's describing people in terms of verbs and adjectives, not so much content.  It's a bit empty-sounding.  Yes, they're townreads, but shouldn't he be referring to things other people said about them?

What would your defence be like anyways?  I think this is the first time I've asked this question, but you are like a bit of a guru in MotK nowadays.

I guess his IHNN vote is a nice change (to me), and his Bard/Shadoweh townread is interesting.  But hm.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 01:17:41 AM
2) Play to win and have fun.
Just reminding everyone of this rule and the fact that if Huh What is claiming 3rd party with anything to do with Shadoweh, we cannot trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

It's like 2am. Can't be asked to do much else. I'll say the sole reason I'm not voting HW over Shadoweh right now is possible Jester/Fool.

We should take every chance to stop Huh What's intentions as well.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 26, 2013, 01:21:45 AM
I should probably apologize about how horribly lazy my post this morning was. It's hard to get past :effort: because of reasons.

Shadoweh/Huhwhat issues (Why is this even still a thing, like what the fuck, it's so straightforward)
-HW will remove himself from the game tonight if we don't lynch Shadoweh
So why would you want to lynch Shadoweh? You can try to lynch Shadoweh tomorrow if you want to lynch Shadoweh. This should be an acceptable compromise.
-HW is lying and isn't actually going to remove himself from the game tonight because lulz
Well HW sure is gonna get lynched tomorrow, I guess, except this would make no sense and I don't even think it's worth paying any attention to. But yeah, if you doubt HW, HIS ROLE WILL BECOME OBVIOUS N2. Uh, probably.
-HW saying Shadoweh is confirmed town doesn't make her confirmed town
Yeah, I said this earlier, it doesn't. This isn't the reason we're not lynching Shadoweh, we're not lynching her because HW is gonna remove himself from the game tonight via her. If you want to lynch Shadoweh just let HW remove himself on her tonight and THEN lynch her.

I have no idea why people are still talking about HW/Shadoweh stuff, this is pretty simple. Honestly I haven't paid any attention to her because we're guaranteed not lynching her today, so don't ask me what I think about her alignment.

Affinity
DEPRESSION IS SCUM AFFINITY IN HW'S ANONYIDENTITYLIST okay I'm just kidding. Yeah, this is the main thing I feel bad about from earlier. I had reasons for not liking you but I was being too lazy to actually remember what they were, since I was groggy and post-limited and wanted to Get That Post Out There and had work and yep I sure am listing a bunch of silly excuses right now. I should stop doing that!

Upon reread, I can't even seem to remember what they are. >_> <_< I've been more interested in a IHNN lynch for a good while, in any case. If someone could like, restate the big points of the Affinity case, though?

I can't exactly find it. (Like, seriously, someone please summarize the Affinity case.)

BBM 589:this is How Not To Rolespec. Like, you can't get anything reliable out of stuff like that, ever. Also, HW's said that his role confirms Shadoweh as town to him, aka it probably says so in his rolepm. Assuming he isn't just lying about it, but it hardly matters either way.

Opinion on BBM:I agree with bad views of his earlier play, I also think his more recent stuff is better, would rather wait and see. Plus my silly flimsy things for thinking he's town from, so.

I'm rereading BT and I'm barely seeing any D2 stuff that's both Scumhunting and Not About Bard's Weirdness On HW+Shadoweh Shenanigan Funtimes. I really want to vote you! Please keep making it easier for me to maybe be able to justify it eventually! D:

Pretty tired from work , Getting Post Out There even though I should probably try to work on it more since I know I'll procrastinate for hours and likely not get more done on it anyway.

Cut from Raikaria:I'd rather have HW removed from play so we don't need to worry about him. Wins like this shouldn't get in the way of town's wincon, and HW isn't a pro-town entity we want to keep around. Lynching HW would literally be wasting a lynch, and if we're gonna lynch Shadoweh I'd much much rather do it after HW's taken care of himself so we don't have to worry about him more.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:23:21 AM
I hate to say this but I'm reading Serela as towniest and most lucid person. I'd almost want to sheep to him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:23:37 AM
Serela are you scum being fed clarity by your scumbuddies
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 01:25:22 AM
I should probably apologize about how horribly lazy my post this morning was. It's hard to get past :effort: because of reasons.

Shadoweh/Huhwhat issues (Why is this even still a thing, like what the fuck, it's so straightforward)
-HW will remove himself from the game tonight if we don't lynch Shadoweh
So why would you want to lynch Shadoweh? You can try to lynch Shadoweh tomorrow if you want to lynch Shadoweh. This should be an acceptable compromise.
-HW is lying and isn't actually going to remove himself from the game tonight because lulz
Well HW sure is gonna get lynched tomorrow, I guess, except this would make no sense and I don't even think it's worth paying any attention to. But yeah, if you doubt HW, HIS ROLE WILL BECOME OBVIOUS N2. Uh, probably.
-HW saying Shadoweh is confirmed town doesn't make her confirmed town
Yeah, I said this earlier, it doesn't. This isn't the reason we're not lynching Shadoweh, we're not lynching her because HW is gonna remove himself from the game tonight via her. If you want to lynch Shadoweh just let HW remove himself on her tonight and THEN lynch her.

I have no idea why people are still talking about HW/Shadoweh stuff, this is pretty simple. Honestly I haven't paid any attention to her because we're guaranteed not lynching her today, so don't ask me what I think about her alignment.

===

Cut from Raikaria:I'd rather have HW removed from play so we don't need to worry about him. Wins like this shouldn't get in the way of town's wincon, and HW isn't a pro-town entity we want to keep around. Lynching HW would literally be wasting a lynch, and if we're gonna lynch Shadoweh I'd much much rather do it after HW's taken care of himself so we don't have to worry about him more.

But we can't ignore it. Look at Rule #2.

Huh What is playing to his wincon if he is truly a 3rd party.

So why on earth are we trusting Huh What?

Why on earth are we doing what Huh What wants?

We should lynch either Huh What or Shadoweh today. Or else we are risking a 3rd party win.

Saying 'just let Huh What live and suicide' is letting the 3rd party do exactly as they want. Which may or may not result in the game ending N2.

Seriously. I'm concerned enough about this to try and intervene over lynching Affinity, because at least if Affinity lives another day the game won't end.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:26:02 AM
since I was groggy and post-limited

So you ARE limited in some way?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:27:32 AM
Also, yeah, the only reason I'm not voting for either HW or Shadoweh is the whole "does the game end or not" thing. Because if it does, then my vote will go to Shadoweh. If not, then we should let it slide.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 01:28:45 AM
I express people mostly in terms of verbs and adjectives because as far as townreads go, faking content is easier to fake than tone and reactions. Nor do I particularly see a point in spending a lot of time analyzing the posts of my townreads.

Rai, Prims is ITP, yeah. But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him. I'm not taking everything he says to be true either (as I said earlier, not sure I believe that he targeted me and didn't kill Zak). All I'm taking to be true is that his role has something to do with Kotarou, which I believe because he's been talking about that since near the beginning of the game. If there are two kills at any point (and nobody claims a town killing role), I'll probably vote Prims. But at this point, whenever he actually bothers making content-posts, they're pretty decent, so I don't see a point in lynching him when he's not hurting town.

Did Prims ever say that his role PM says that Kotarou is town? AFAIK he's just been saying that he has to target Kotarou. If he did in fact say the former, then I've been derping for quite a while.

I reeeeeeally doubt that Prims winning ends the game, because the game could then end N1 in a town loss even if we played amazingly.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:30:11 AM
Actually, screw it, why take the chance?

##Vote: Shadoweh

I don't want to risk a game end if we don't know whether or not the game will end.

Cut: He said the role PM said that, I think.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 01:31:32 AM
So you ARE limited in some way?

Apparently so. According to Serela.

Rai, Prims is ITP, yeah. But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him. I'm not taking everything he says to be true either (as I said earlier, not sure I believe that he targeted me and didn't kill Zak).

Exactly.

We can't rely on ANYTHING he says.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Serela on May 26, 2013, 01:34:09 AM
So you ARE limited in some way?
AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:35:06 AM
Again, remind me to never play another Dormio game. I don't think I could handle all of the voteblocks and post limits and whatnot. I just hope that by saying something about it Serela won't be killed, considering Shadoweh couldn't say anything about the voteblock (meaning she knew something and Serela must know something too).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:35:32 AM
Cut: Fuck, I shouldn't have called attention to it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh


If we're doing this, let's do this.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
"Mosu! Mosu mosu!"
Serela looked around wildly as paranoia sunk in.
As hard as he tried, he simply couldn't maintain his facade.
Noticing that Serela was acting suspiciously, the figure in the shadows acted quickly.
Serela - Chibimoth, Unusual Dog(Vanilla Townie) was assassinated during D2!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/chibimoth.jpg)

ALL VOTES HAVE BEEN RESET

Votecount

Not voting(9): Affinity, I have no name, Validon98, Bardiche, BigBangMeteor, huh what, Shadoweh, BT, Raikaria
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~46 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:40:47 AM
im braindead right now so the bbm defense will have to come later.

since it's easy though i'm gonna say that i don't think he would've even come up with the "what if HW killed zak??" argument as scum though, because he'd know the truth and it'd be a waste of time to bring up. in context it reads like honest paranoid town speculation. same thing with him defending shadoweh on flavor, he'd be pushing a shitty point nobody agrees with to make a townie harder to lynch

people voting me or shadoweh because "the game might end" are idiots. when was the last time you saw an itp other than sk or cult end the game instantly upon acheiving wincon? it just doesn't happen, because the game is still playable for town and scum after the itp wins, so actually ending the game is a dick move toward allother alignments.

and yeah my role pm basically calls kotarou town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
##Vote: IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 01:41:59 AM
Exactly.

We can't rely on ANYTHING he says.

How did you agree with me and then reach that conclusion???

Validon, did you read what I said? Why do you think there might be something that could cause the town to lose N1 unless we lynched one specific player out of fifteen that day?

And goddamnit, I guess Serela slipping and saying she was post-limited got herself killed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 01:42:41 AM
Oh, votes got reset. ##Vote: IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:42:48 AM
##Vote: Shadoweh

I REALLY shouldn't have called attention to that. Excuse me as I kick the wall multiple times.
Never playing another Dormio game after this at all if this kind of shit happens. Next thing you know, it's going to happen to me on D3. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:42:54 AM
You aren't, and never will. Your life will be forever Shadowehlynchless for today. Bard, it's pretty clear BT is trying to tell you he believes me for reasons besides huh what's role, whatever he's on, but you seem quite happy to push forward with nothing more then the rage and hate of a loveless machine.

Validon: Stop being mean to Dormio. The only difference between today and a regular game would be people would be... well there would be no difference because the scum still wouldn't claim having post or vote restricted people!

Serela stop trying to convince them to lynch me tomorrow, it'll be as much of a bad idea then as it is now. I have every reason to believe huh what in his quest to not end the game and instead find me and escape, because HE IS JESUS AND HE WOULD NOT LEAD US ASTRAY. But seriously lynchers who win that way wouldn't be NIGHT TARGETTERS.

BBM is pretty obviously not Pride. This is also Bad Idea(tm)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:43:26 AM
hey Shadoweh vote IHNN :>

we can get bard when we're masons tomorrow
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:43:41 AM
...Well fuck. You killed Serela. GOOD JOB.

##Vote: I have no name
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:44:16 AM
Serela. ;_; You were the adorablest and the shining light of Town for me.

##Vote: Shadoweh
If we're lynching Shadoweh I like that best, but since everyone's all NOOO BARD SHADOWEH IS TOWNIE I'll take an Affinity lynch as a second, and I guess I'd IHNN over BBM but at that point I stop caring because I can't read the scum worth jack shit in this formless amoeba.


BBM:
Shadoweh is a She.
Huh What is a He.
Serela is a He.
Bardiche is a She.
Affinity is a He.
BT is a He.
Raikaria is a He.
Pls genders.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:45:10 AM
serela is interchangable actually
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:45:45 AM
Bardiche is a She.

Fuck me, Bard is a He.

we can get bard when we're masons tomorrow

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Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:46:48 AM
Still, it feels bastardly to me. I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't like the concept of a bastard-like game.
Anyways, if itp won't end the game by winning, then fine.
##Unvote

Cut: I didn't kill Serela. Dormio probably would have noticed it. Key word is might. I'm still a retard for bringing it up, though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:47:14 AM
Key word is probably, actually.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:47:31 AM
I don't think I want to lynch Bard anymore actually, though I wouldn't mind if he cared to die..
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:47:45 AM
validon u should vote IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:49:13 AM
@Dormyon: Before someone drops Vote #4 on IHNN, can you confirm everyone still has their votes by updating the votecount.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 01:49:26 AM
hey shadoweh, how are you reading bt?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:49:57 AM
Meh. I'm waiting until tomorrow (real life) to vote, probably. I still can't believe I did that... go ahead and yell at me. I deserve it. >.<
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 01:50:43 AM
I don't think I want to lynch Bard anymore actually, though I wouldn't mind if he cared to die..

The friend you called Bard has already died and moved on to greener pastures.

What's left is Xorndiche. ALL LOVE MUST PERISH


Meh. I'm waiting until tomorrow (real life) to vote, probably. I still can't believe I did that... go ahead and yell at me. I deserve it. >.<

Nah, Serela derped. Wouldn't be Serela if he didn't derp.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 01:52:01 AM
Votecount

I have no name(3): huh what, BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Not voting(5): Affinity, I have no name, BT, Raikaria, Validon98
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~46 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:52:40 AM
also whoever post restricted Serela is a huge jerk and knew he'd never be able to keep up a post restriction. should have spellchecked all your posts and force replaced limited with FLUFFY BUNNIES

BT is probs town because he is my second waifu. Don't get jealous and kill him though kay

Valdion I'm not actually mad, Dormio delights in murdering people so he probably would have noticed on his own. It would have been less likely to happen if people in general hadn't been constantly pestering him though
Cut: Serela was playing good, I'm not going to say he deserved it even if it was Serela.

I CAN HAS POST WITHOUT BEING CUT?!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:58:06 AM
I was #1 pesterer, though, in my quest to find things out. It's kind of my fault still.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 02:00:11 AM
Also, screw it. I don't think itp winning will affect town, so I'm going to go ahead and just agree with HW on this one.

##Vote: ihavenoname

The reason being that yeah, your arguments on HW weren't exactly valid, although your arguments on everyone else seemed okay. I don't know who else to vote for right now besides Affinity, though, because I still don't 100% trust him. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 02:00:59 AM
##Unvote
might not be a good idea to have him at L-1 when he's not around though if somebody wants to put him back i wouldn't complain
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 02:01:35 AM
##Unvote
might not be a good idea to have him at L-1 when he's not around though if somebody wants to put him back i wouldn't complain

Huh What setting up for another lyncher win I see.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 02:02:33 AM
I was #1 pesterer, though, in my quest to find things out. It's kind of my fault still.
Well, the best you can do is keep this bloodily earned information in mind while continuing onto the future. We're all kind of used to shenanigans, a little, other then Bard who still has seizures.

I was going to unvote but huh what beat me to it >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 02:03:44 AM
other then Bard who still has seizures.

Who's antagonising who now. Pls. Ure faze. Shut it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 02:05:27 AM
Votecount

I have no name(3): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Validon98
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Not voting(5): Affinity, I have no name, BT, Raikaria, huh what
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~46 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 02:05:58 AM
I-I meant from how you don't like bastard roles ;-; I'm not trying to insult you!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 02:08:19 AM
I still would appreciate you avoid talking about me in any way other than reasons why I should or should not be lynched. I am not friendly this game. I am rather rage.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 02:12:23 AM
Also: Vali, don't feel bad about Serela's death. Serela done goofed in the first place and honestly, he had to goof sometime. He was playing too good, it wouldn't be Serela if he didn't make some kind of stupid mistake.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 02:22:53 AM
Rereading Serela, ie why the heck would you target him to shutup, the main thing that stands out is the long argument he had with Raikaria on a similar note to the one I had about how Affinity isn't scummy for wanting people to target other wagons. I think Raikaria is still getting alot of credit for words that don't mean anything and equate into 'lynch Shadoweh because she's not talking to us!' followed later by 'Shadoweh and hw are weird so let's lynch Shadoweh anyways'??? He's just trying to take advantage of the confusion to throw out his bogus cases.

Then again the entirety of Zakeri's addition to the thread is that Raikaria is town because Affinity is scum trying to lynch him. It is pretty much an Affinity hate letter. So hmm.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 02:24:24 AM
I wonder how crazy it would be for them to be scumbuddies and for people to be trying to lynch Affinity because of his partner's awesome bussing case. IRONIC but probably not true.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 26, 2013, 03:47:22 AM
Validon why do you seem to be agreeing with everything that comes your way?  You do have opinions, but they mean nothing if they change every time someone else posts a case.

Let me do this for awhile tentatively.  Will provide reasoning later.

##Vote: Bardiche
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:07:01 AM
Rereading Serela, ie why the heck would you target him to shutup, the main thing that stands out is the long argument he had with Raikaria on a similar note to the one I had about how Affinity isn't scummy for wanting people to target other wagons. I think Raikaria is still getting alot of credit for words that don't mean anything and equate into 'lynch Shadoweh because she's not talking to us!' followed later by 'Shadoweh and hw are weird so let's lynch Shadoweh anyways'??? He's just trying to take advantage of the confusion to throw out his bogus cases.

Then again the entirety of Zakeri's addition to the thread is that Raikaria is town because Affinity is scum trying to lynch him. It is pretty much an Affinity hate letter. So hmm.

Yes, I've not done a lot D2, because honestly not that much has happened for me to comment on.

Still dislike Affinity [Oh, and by the way you're ignoring my contribution to the thread D1 Shadoweh]. Don't like the Bard votes. Also dislike the IHNN wagon. Votes have been reset, can we at least see if he actually does something not complete derp with his vote this before we lynch him <_<

In fact... we're lynching IHNN... partially because he won't move his vote from someone who claimed 3rd party? [That and his case was bad but then HW claimed 3rd afterwards]. Last time I checked town is supposed to lynch those who are not town. Seems weird, the IHNN wagon.

It's that awkward point in the game where I don't agree with any of the wagons.

Also damnit Serela. And Validion. And me I guess.

Shadoweh, I was lynching you because:
1: Evasion of important questions like Bard's in D1 is incredibly scummy.
2: Huh What is playing to his wincon. He has to be. If his apparent suicide into you is his wincon, well... can't let that happen. Generally a 3rd win means town loses. Generally. As I said before, I'd be lynching Huh What, but I fear a potential Jester.
3: Going super-happy acting like you're confirmed based on the words of a self-proclaimed 3rd party means nothing.

At this point, I'm kinda torn.

Gut survival instinct for town says to lynch Huh What or Shadoweh because otherwise the game might end

Brain says to lynch Affinity because he feels like the scums.

Gut... or brain... gut... or brain...

##Vote: Huh What

Why are we letting a proclaimed 3rd party live? Besides, thinking about it, Jester would be unlikely. 'May' be elements that can be considered bastard. Not 'Are outright bastard elements', like Jesters are.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
The game isn't going to end.
Still dislike Affinity [Oh, and by the way you're ignoring my contribution to the thread D1 Shadoweh]. Don't like the Bard votes. Also dislike the IHNN wagon. Votes have been reset, can we at least see if he actually does something not complete derp with his vote this before we lynch him <_<
Your Day 1 content is the thing that made me rant Day 1 about how terribly unfair you were being to Affinity right? I don't think discounting is the word you want for how I'm considering it while not liking you.

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In fact... we're lynching IHNN... partially because he won't move his vote from someone who claimed 3rd party? [That and his case was bad but then HW claimed 3rd afterwards]. Last time I checked town is supposed to lynch those who are not town. Seems weird, the IHNN wagon.
More because he's prioritizing lynching the third party over scum because omg thirds etc. I think. huh what equated it to Neko's behavior in DEFCON Mafia, and in general mafia would really like to push third party lynches based on paranoia. I'm sure you can guess where this is going regarding your own vote. Huh what wants to win by targetting Kotarou (me) tonight and winning za gaem. The chances of a role that can win Night 1 ending the game is astronomically bad, and why the fuck people who aren't Validon are running with it is beyond me. (I wouldn't be surprised to see a role like that on Epic Mafia, but here dick roles that end the game would get the mod lynched..) Your behaviour in general has been less about finding scum and more about PARANOIA and ROLE SHENANIGANS and GOTTA GET THAT WEIRD SHADOWEH AND HER LITTLE DOG HUH WHAT TOO. Seriously you are not endearing yourself.

Also maybe I'm pushing the confirmed town thing despite how I agree with Bard's objection because I don't think I'm going to be alive tomorrow? I guess it would be pretty awkward if huh what didn't murder me. A third party that has to protect a mafia member wouldn't be that weird to be honest. Otheer then being the protagonist though I'm not really special enough to protect so it's probably a balance for the mafia having a second kill in the form of a post restriction or something

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Gut survival instinct for town says to lynch Huh What or Shadoweh because otherwise the game might end
Seriously what part of your brain over these games have thought that this is possible
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
Validon why do you seem to be agreeing with everything that comes your way?  You do have opinions, but they mean nothing if they change every time someone else posts a case.

...I don't know. It's probably because if you actually read my post where I gave my opinions on everyone, I'm reading a lot of different people as pretty much null or leaning to one side or the other and I have no idea who to vote for because there's too many potential candidates. The worst part is that if I so much as attempt to vote for anyone, this sort of thing happens where they give their defense and it seems reasonable. That's why I took my vote off of you. Too many people are acting in a way that makes me think they are scum that I can't even figure out who to vote for. In other words, whereas before I was confused because I wasn't sure what was going on, now I'm confused because there's TOO much going on and I can't find a firm place to put my vote without it being suddenly rendered null by someone's defense. So I'm more or less a worse version of D1 Rai at this point and I don't know what to do about it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
Also, I'm not running with the "itp will end game if he wins hurr durr" thing anymore, and once again my name is once again a synonym for being a newbie. Again, quit it. It's annoying.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
(him thinking there are only two mafia combined with his role is part of why I think he'll kill me actually, if he just captain planeted out it wouldn't be so bad..)

This is a hard game to be honest. There aren't alot of people being obviously scummy. That's why I was willing to do poe yesterday and why I'm still fairly willing to do it today. Bard's rage is honestly too.. I don't know how to say it, authentic isn't the word because he can rage as scum, more like he's angry at things that as scum he should already know aren't true? BBM is just not being far too open compared to his well reasoned and good sounding posts from last game, he very much doesn't care what he sounds like. Huh what isn't mafia so yay. Validon is authenticly trying to figure things out and just is so town it hurts. Doesn't leave alot of options, yeah? I personally think Affinity doesn't sound like his scum self (Affinitown sounds a little depressed too in a different way.) So yes.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:20:43 PM
I will have to look back but I was under the impression you were the one who brought up the idea of huh what ending the game actually.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 01:22:19 PM
I asked if it was possible. I didn't think it was, but it didn't hurt to check. I just wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:28:49 PM
That's not a bad thing. I am going out of my way not to call you a newbie, but not being familiar with what the limits of bastardry are here is part of why your question is fine while other people running with it isn't. It's not an insult to you, it's a statement of fact.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
(Also newbie isn't really a derogatory remark, I was way better at mafia before I know what I was doing)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
I guess I should actually read BT's posts so I can give a more reasonable opinion then 'is town because' since most people will assume the because is him saying nice things about me <_< Which is probably half-true because he's sensical and understands me like no one else. Honestly his entire big post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977688.html#msg977688) is making the scumhunting arguments that most of this game is lacking. I think considering lynching him would be a tragedy. I'd like to hear what he thinks of Raikaria vs IHNN right now considering their arguments right now are very similar.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 01:54:26 PM
Votecount

I have no name(2): BigBangMeteor, Validon98
Bardiche(1): Affinity,
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
huh what(1): Raikaria
Not voting(5): I have no name, BT, huh what
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~34 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
>_>
I'm not going to stop talking you know.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 26, 2013, 02:25:46 PM
In general I don't like Bardiche's opinions post for handwaving IHNN.  He can agree with reasons against almost everyone suspectable except IHNN, but can't wrap around his head that IHNN has been voting huhwhat for many low-quality reasons, most of which don't make sense?  Or that IHNN's reporter post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977869.html#msg977869) has a variety of townreads, two suspensions of judgement (regarding me and Shadoweh), and one scumread in BBM because he doesn't like his vote + other reasons already stated. 

Yeah it's possible to find this okay, but surely it takes more than what Bard has offered here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977873.html#msg977873).  This blindspot is... really scummy, since he has been considering pretty much everyone else much more fairly.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Affinity on May 26, 2013, 02:44:06 PM
@IHNN: In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977869.html#msg977869), you said that you didn't like BBM's vote on you.  Serela was also voting you, but for the sole reason of sheeping HW's case on you.  Why did you ignore this and say that he was town anyway.  I've a feeling you did this because the BBM wagon had more votes on it and thus felt more comfortable for you as scum.

@Validon: That sounds honest and sincere enough.  You're going to have to be more than that in Mafia though.

===

I've also avoided talking about Ralkaria today because I feel so exasperated towards him.  Personally I think he's using his obstinacy as a smokescreen; his ghetto huhwhat and Shadoweh vote (following simplistic mafia maxims without considering what has been said so far) pretenses at having an opinion.  I notice that the inquisitive questions he asked yesterday regarding play (e.g BT, etc.) has been replaced by those regarding Shadoweh's role and related shens.  His simplistic dissing of the IHNN wagon does not bode well with me either compared to the wide range of opinions he had D1.  I do not find this transition genuine or townie-looking in general.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 03:43:12 PM
I am not 'totally writing off' IHNN. I'm saying jumping on IHNN before he's even re-voted after the vote reset is acting too rashly. I did say his case on Huh What is bad, as was his reaction to the critisim of the vote, but that may just be him thinking his reasons are good. Last I checked we don't vote people for having one bad case. Otherwise we'd have lynched Affinity AND me by now, and probobly a couple of other people too.

Let's see what IHNN does with his vote and where he stands now, before we string him up, or not. If he continues to be as bad as he was ED2, well, my actions would depend on other events and how bad he was, but he'd probobly be my D3 target. [Maybe D2 if there is no way we're stopping Huh What, and IHNN is worse than Affinity in my eyes]

Again, we cannot trust what Shadoweh/Huh What say in relation to this 3rd party thing, as Huh What is playing to this win condition. It doesn't matter what they say in regards to it. We. Cannot. Trust. Them. Huh What is playing to his wincon. Not town's. Why on earth town would want to go along with it is completely beyond me.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Because-I-Trust-That-Huh-What-Is-Telling-The-Truth-BEEP because HE IS SUCH A TRUSTWORTHY GUY. As for trusting me, if I were scum I would want him lynched as much as everyone else does. WHY WOULD I AS SCUM WANT TO KEEP A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO TARGET ME AND MAYBE DO NOTHING MAYBE MURDER ME ALIVE YOU TWIT
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 05:36:37 PM
I looked at all of IHNN's evidence against you and I agree on every single case.
His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore
The reason being that yeah, your arguments on HW weren't exactly valid
So, I'm scum for voting someone I thought was scum before they claimed ITP because they claimed ITP later thus making my logic invalid despite it having been valid with the information available at the time, assuming I'm reading your post correctly.  If you're fine with my content outside of the thing on HW which was perfectly fine for the knowledge of the time, why did you vote me?
8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch.  Ever.
Seriously rethinking this, i didn't realize Validon was agreeing with everything that came his way.  It looks more like this now:
8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch. Ever. Probably.

@IHNN: In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977869.html#msg977869), you said that you didn't like BBM's vote on you.  Serela was also voting you, but for the sole reason of sheeping HW's case on you.  Why did you ignore this and say that he was town anyway.  I've a feeling you did this because the BBM wagon had more votes on it and thus felt more comfortable for you as scum.
The difference is that I liked Serela's D1 but not BBM's.  1 bad vote doesn't make someone scum.

Bleh, this is such an off game for me.

HW saying BBM is town for pushing bad logic is...I don't know.  I mean, bad logic isn't scummy in itself but at the same time it's not a towntell.

BWHY WOULD I AS SCUM WANT TO KEEP A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO TARGET ME AND MAYBE DO NOTHING MAYBE MURDER ME ALIVE YOU TWIT
Because we both know for balance reasons  that a suiciding-on-someone ITP wouldn't kill the target if it was scum but if it was just another townie then that reason would no longer exist.  So the way I see it you're either scum who won't die, town who will or town who won't.  So...I could argue that the fact that you're going along with it is scummy because as scum you would have nothing to fear.

I want to but my vote back on BBM but huh what's defense has made him an unpopular target...but screw it ##Vote: BBM for the same reason as before and that bad logic as a towntell is nothing but WIFOM.
since it's easy though i'm gonna say that i don't think he would've even come up with the "what if HW killed zak??" argument as scum though, because he'd know the truth and it'd be a waste of time to bring up. in context it reads like honest paranoid town speculation. same thing with him defending shadoweh on flavor, he'd be pushing a shitty point nobody agrees with to make a townie harder to lynch
Waste of time to bring up=bad play=townie!
Paranoid speculation=townie!
Bad logic (flavor defense)=townie!  Also defending a townie liable to flip for towncred is a thing.  I don't trust this defense.  At all.

But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him.
Just going to point this out, since it is a good point regardless: HW did not start voting me until after I expressed suspicion of him.  HW is more than skilled enough to make anyone look like scum.  He needs to survive to win and me making a case on him, at all, goes against that.  I'm not saying his entire vote on me is a huge disguised OMGUS, but it could very well have been part of his initial reasoning for voting me.
Oh and that defense I mentioned 2 paragraphs up?  Could be made up similarly for anyone in the game right now.  It was used to make me look bad, i.e. furthering his survival.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
EBWOP: BBM has improved but not enough to make me want to vote someone else at the moment.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
You should probably make a case on Raikaria or Affinity one way or the other, unless you really thinkg BBM is going to pick up again. I would be highly against it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 05:43:19 PM
More than half the day is left, it's not impossible for it to happen.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 05:51:16 PM
I'm not agreeing with everything coming my way, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO TO TRUST BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE DONE SOMETHING AT SOME POINT THAT HAS MADE YOU LOOK SCUMMY!!!

##Unvote

You people are driving me nuts at this point. I can't trust ANYONE, I DON'T know who to vote for, and I might as well not until SOMETHING comes up. I'm half ready to suicide and just get out of this game, because I'm done with you all trying to manipulate my opinion and my vote.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 06:06:28 PM
Trust yourself.

Vote who you think is the scum.  Look at the actions people have made, decide for yourself.  Explain your reasoning.  Everyone does something at some point, it's a matter of who's done the most bad things and how bad they are.

We aren't trying manipulate your opinion/vote, but get our own opinions out there with a vote to back it up.  So, maybe you could look back and do the same?

Also suiciding/being modkilled is never never never never never NEVER a good idea.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
Screw it, I've reread Affinity's case on IHNN and Bard's post, and I can't believe I overlooked that. Bard, what's with the lack of info on IHNN, especially when you did end up reading the people you were going to? Bard and IHNN are right now seeming more fishy than usual, and though I'm still going to withhold my vote for now, I wouldn't mind placing it on either one.
Cut: Yeah, you're really helping yourself there. You still seem fishy to me and I don't want to hear that I'm blindly following other people's opinions when THEY MAKE SENSE.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 06:17:51 PM
Yeah, you're really helping yourself there.
Well, the point was to try to help you out, not to help me out.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 26, 2013, 06:29:44 PM
IHNN: Fair enough that it could happen, even if it's a wagon I don't want. As scum I still don't think I would have outted myself to an ITP's tender mercies or tried to turn people against lynching him instead though. It just wouldn't make sense to do to me.

I can't read words longer so sleep
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 07:10:47 PM
guess im not quickhammering

##Vote: IHNN

shadoweh's vote was on scum, otherwise they wouldn't have blocked her again.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 07:13:10 PM
So, I'm scum for voting someone I thought was scum before they claimed ITP because they claimed ITP later thus making my logic invalid despite it having been valid with the information available at the time, assuming I'm reading your post correctly.  If you're fine with my content outside of the thing on HW which was perfectly fine for the knowledge of the time, why did you vote me?Seriously rethinking this, i didn't realize Validon was agreeing with everything that came his way.  It looks more like this now:
The difference is that I liked Serela's D1 but not BBM's.  1 bad vote doesn't make someone scum.

Bleh, this is such an off game for me.

HW saying BBM is town for pushing bad logic is...I don't know.  I mean, bad logic isn't scummy in itself but at the same time it's not a towntell.
Because we both know for balance reasons  that a suiciding-on-someone ITP wouldn't kill the target if it was scum but if it was just another townie then that reason would no longer exist.  So the way I see it you're either scum who won't die, town who will or town who won't.  So...I could argue that the fact that you're going along with it is scummy because as scum you would have nothing to fear.

I want to but my vote back on BBM but huh what's defense has made him an unpopular target...but screw it ##Vote: BBM for the same reason as before and that bad logic as a towntell is nothing but WIFOM.Waste of time to bring up=bad play=townie!
Paranoid speculation=townie!
Bad logic (flavor defense)=townie!  Also defending a townie liable to flip for towncred is a thing.  I don't trust this defense.  At all.
Just going to point this out, since it is a good point regardless: HW did not start voting me until after I expressed suspicion of him.  HW is more than skilled enough to make anyone look like scum.  He needs to survive to win and me making a case on him, at all, goes against that.  I'm not saying his entire vote on me is a huge disguised OMGUS, but it could very well have been part of his initial reasoning for voting me.
Oh and that defense I mentioned 2 paragraphs up?  Could be made up similarly for anyone in the game right now.  It was used to make me look bad, i.e. furthering his survival.
this is a bad post. if you werent mafia you would know why this is a bad post.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 07:15:19 PM
this is a bad post. if you werent mafia you would know why this is a bad post.
This is bad logic.  If you knew why I kept getting lynched (hint: the answer is I don't have any idea why) you would know why it's bad logic.

shadoweh's vote was on scum, otherwise they wouldn't have blocked her again.
Well gee framing exists >_>
+by that logic you'd be saying Serela is scum and we already know that's not true.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
Shadoweh- I don't really know what to say other than that my play is normally 5x better in anonymous games regardless of my alignment. Also, as scum, I can make cases based off the stuff that people do that's scummy, while disregarding the smaller stuff that makes them town despite it. As town, I recognize those smaller things, state them, and then don't really bother analyzing the scummy stuff they do.

IHNN- as far as I can remember, you haven't stated anything bad about my D1. Your case on me boils down to me coasting on D2 and not offering enough opinions. So why didn't you like my D1? And that little blurb before you vote for me is bad because since this is a forum, you don't really have to take stuff back in the same sentence that way. Additionally, why do you care whether or not I'm a popular target if you think I'm scum? Isn't it your job then to convince other people of it? Your paragraph about Prims is also bad because you list a bunch of things he's done that, but then dismiss it as speculation. Why are you speculating if you're going to just dismiss it? It looks like trying to egg people's suspicions while not committing yourself. It's worse because you call me out in the same post for paranoid speculation.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
This is bad logic.  If you knew why I kept getting lynched (hint: the answer is I don't have any idea why) you would know why it's bad logic.
you don't get it

Well gee framing exists >_>
yeah which is why you can get away with voteblocking her, you don't want her vote counting toward lynching you but if anybody points it out you can dismiss it at WIFOM.

the fact that the voteblock came at this critical juncture shows scum doesn't want you lynched

Shadoweh- I don't really know what to say other than that my play is normally 5x better in anonymous games regardless of my alignment. Also, as scum, I can make cases based off the stuff that people do that's scummy, while disregarding the smaller stuff that makes them town despite it. As town, I recognize those smaller things, state them, and then don't really bother analyzing the scummy stuff they do.
yeah this is pretty much why i'm townreading bbm and i've played with him multiple times before so i can vouch for him
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 07:44:41 PM
Mentioning HW's defense was setting up for pointing out how weak it is.
I don't recall dismissing my speculation that HW tried lynching me because I suspected him, and looking at it I said that it was likely part of his initial reason.  I'm not inside HW's head so I don't know if that's true, but it's what I heavily suspect.

Also BBM, I mentioned how I didn't like your D1 was focusing on Affinity, and though mine focused on HW it's different since I replaced in and as such didn't have the entire day to take part in.

Isn't it your job then to convince other people of it?
Tried.  Doesn't seem to have worked.

yeah which is why you can get away with voteblocking her, you don't want her vote counting toward lynching you but if anybody points it out you can dismiss it at WIFOM.
the fact that the voteblock came at this critical juncture shows scum doesn't want you lynched
Or someone who thinks I'm town is voteblocking someone who was voting me to keep their townread alive, did you think of that?
yeah this is pretty much why i'm townreading bbm and i've played with him multiple times before so i can vouch for him
Meta.  Meta that you know I don't have, and that you know I'm not going to trust you on.

you don't get it
Then explain it, to help make me a better player.  Or do you like being untouchable?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
guess im not quickhammering

##Vote: IHNN

shadoweh's vote was on scum, otherwise they wouldn't have blocked her again.

Except the 'blocking' happened between This Votecount (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg978085.html#msg978085) and This votecount (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg978633.html#msg978633)

Note IHNN has not posted during that time, or anywhere near either side of that time period [4 hours the latter end, and about 16 hours from the front end]. Now, while this is certainly not conclusive, it could easily be indicative of... you know... IHNN not even being around to do this voteblock?

===
WARNING: INCOMING THEORY: NONE OF THIS IS TO BE TAKEN AS FACT
===
People who posted between the two votecounts so certainly count be responsible for the voteblock:

Shadoweh
Bardiche
Affinity
Myself [I'd know if it was me!]
Validon98

People who posted close to one side only:
BBM [1st votecount]
Huh What [1st Votecount]

Note: Close is defined as about 2 hours

Now, activity isn't everything, but it could be an indicator. Timezones be timezones, after all.


Now, let's use what else we have avaliable, the D1 voteblocking. The two posts are This one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975764.html#msg975764) and This one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg975819.html#msg975819)

Active between the votecounts:
Huh What
Validon98
Shadoweh
BBM
Serela
Schezo IHNN

Close to the end of the 2nd votecount [Again, using ~2 hours]
SilentShaman
BT

Affinity and me come online ~3 hours after. Worth mentioning, but I do not feel this is close enough, especially since it would fall before either of our first posts.

So, let's look at the two lists, and see who appears on both:

Shadoweh
Validon98
Huh What* [Not during the gap for the D2 block, but very close to it]

Waaait a second here. Didn't Validon do this earlier?

So you ARE limited in some way?

I highlighted this shortly afterwards because I wanted it sort of bookmarked in my posts to look up later, as I thought it may be important. Didn't Serela... kinda... die because of it?

Yeah. So active during both voteblocking periods, and drawing attention to Serela's slip.

I think we've found our voteblocker.

##Unvote
## Vote Validon98


I HAVE THREE CUTS ACROSS ME BUT I'M POSTING THIS NOW ANYWAY.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
Screw it, I've reread Affinity's case on IHNN and Bard's post, and I can't believe I overlooked that. Bard, what's with the lack of info on IHNN, especially when you did end up reading the people you were going to? Bard and IHNN are right now seeming more fishy than usual, and though I'm still going to withhold my vote for now,

Except I've also had little info on Raikaria. Honestly, I don't need to waste a lot of words on IHNN if I'm not interested in lynching him.

But Bard, IHNN's reasoning is flimsy!
I consider most people's reasoning to be flimsy. In fact, this is why I also want Shadoweh to hang, since she's been coasting all day without really saying why I am scummy or why I'm suddenly no longer top scummy. Can anyone tell me why Shadoweh's voting IHNN, again?

In any case, I consider most people's reasoning to be flimsy. IHNN's updated himself on Huh What and has argued why the ED1 move of claiming PGO would benefit Huh What's agenda and why he thinks Huh What needs to die. He hasn't argued why Huh What is scummy, this much is true; On the other hand, Huh What claimed THird Party, do we really need to argue he's scum?

I similarly had one line on Raikaria and BT ends up a one-liner as well, for all that I responded to his attack on me. I don't understand why you're singling out my opinion on IHNN and pretend he's the only one I haven't written a full detailed write-up on. In fact, I only did write-ups on Affinity and BBM.

So your point, Bard?
Affinity is singling out something and pretending it is isolated. It is not isolated. If Affinity thinks I should be blamed for not disliking IHNN's content, then I think it's more of a case where I'm being voted for not sharing Affinity's opinion. That breaks my heart, but not everyone needs to agree with you there. Why should I think IHNN's "flimsy reasoning" is a crime worse than the flimsy reasoning Affinity is using to vote me? And why should I think it worse than the flimsy reasoning Shadoweh has been using all game?

The answer is that, in my opinion, it is not worse. I do not have any interest in an IHNN wagon. You can vote me for that all you like. If disagreeing with your assessment of someone's posts is a reason to mark me as scum, you can say I'm scum all game every game. Because I will never agree with everyone on all participating players.




Cut. Did Shadoweh get her vote stolen again.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 07:55:04 PM
Cut. Did Shadoweh get her vote stolen again.

Yes.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
Note IHNN has not posted during that time, or anywhere near either side of that time period [4 hours the latter end, and about 16 hours from the front end]. Now, while this is certainly not conclusive, it could easily be indicative of... you know... IHNN not even being around to do this voteblock?
or he could've just been lurking without posting, or dormio could let scum schedule specific times for their day actions (that's what i'd do as a mod)

fun fact: the original voteblock vca popped up soon after schezo posted

either way, scum doesn't want ihnn lynched. think of it this way: ihnn has four voters, obvtown (bbm), me, shadoweh and validon. the rest of the game consists of derps (raikaria and validon), scum (ihnn and one of affinity/bard) and somebody not convinced ihnn is scum (the other one of affinity/bard)

voteblocking shadoweh makes it incredibly difficult to get momentum on the ihnn wagon going - validon is liable to change his opinion a lot (look at his recent unvote), raikaria is sticking his hands in his ears and being a conspiracy theorist instead of scumhunting, scum aren't voting ihnn, and the remaining player is looking elsewhere. so ihnn has 2-3 votes at most with 5 needed to lynch. suddenly it's more likely for town to just gather their votes on bbm or be crazy and lynch shadoweh instead of keeping the ihnn wagon moving, because all the interest has already been expended

of course if anybody tries to push this scum are just going to try to handwave it as "WIFOM!!!!", but that doesn't make it any less valid. sheep me on the ihnn wagon so we can lynch this maflord

ihnn is flailing at this point if he's seriously pushing that i'm only trying to get him lynched to be petty because he suspected me. that's not in my wincon as ITP. it's obvious i'm scumhunting to placate town so they have reason not to just lynch me today, and i think ihnn is scum. note that i thought this at the end of d1 when i was still trying to sound town, since i said i had a "secret scumread"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 08:06:34 PM
oh wait i completely forgot bt was a person who exists. he wasn't interested in lynching ihnn either though.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:07:32 PM
IHNN, when did you notice Shadoweh is voteblocked?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
Huh What in what way has IHNN been furthering a scum agenda this game.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
IHNN, when did you notice Shadoweh is voteblocked?
On D1, before I was playing, I noticed it as soon as the votecount was posted.  I sent a message to Dormio about it assuming it was in error.
On D2, I noticed it when the votecount was posted again as I saw my wagon had decreased in volume without an unvote, and then looked closer and saw "8 people".

ihnn is flailing at this point if he's seriously pushing that i'm only trying to get him lynched to be petty because he suspected me. that's not in my wincon as ITP. it's obvious i'm scumhunting to placate town so they have reason not to just lynch me today, and i think ihnn is scum. note that i thought this at the end of d1 when i was still trying to sound town, since i said i had a "secret scumread"
I'm not privy to your role PM so idk what your wincon is.  Also your using the word "petty" is a blatant misrep as presumably you'd need to, you know, survive to be able to win and someone who suspected you would be considered a threat to your wincon.  Scumhunting to avoid being lynched and as such towards your wincon.  (don't say I'm being hypocritical since your play has been incredibly survival oriented and so it's not a stretch to say you need to survive+not BM game)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:21:18 PM
Quote
voteblocking shadoweh makes it incredibly difficult to get momentum on the ihnn wagon going - validon is liable to change his opinion a lot (look at his recent unvote), raikaria is sticking his hands in his ears and being a conspiracy theorist instead of scumhunting, scum aren't voting ihnn, and the remaining player is looking elsewhere. so ihnn has 2-3 votes at most with 5 needed to lynch. suddenly it's more likely for town to just gather their votes on bbm or be crazy and lynch shadoweh instead of keeping the ihnn wagon moving, because all the interest has already been expended

FWIW this is really getting to me in a "Maybe I have been blindsided" way and I am re-considering my stance on the IHNN wagon.

That is why it is important IHNN tells us when he noticed Shadoweh had been voteblocked. This is important.

Huh What I only need an explanation for Day 1 as I am now considering pushing a lynch on Huh What at this juncture furthers a scum agenda in that every day we are lynching Not Scum, Scum is benefiting. It's an easy stance to take even though even I have been saying HW will resolve itself overnight.


Cut by IHNN.
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I noticed it when the votecount was posted again as I saw my wagon had decreased in volume without an unvote
Right after the votecount was posted?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:23:33 PM
Cut by IHNN. Right after the votecount was posted?
When I saw the votecount so a bit before I made my post.  I'd say around 12:30 (i.e. 4 hours ago).
I was sleeping until around noon >_>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
@bard: he's been playing to his wincon :)

seriously though, read this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977906.html#msg977906), which has been the crux of my ihnn case the entire day (it wasn't the first time i brought that point up)

his play is scummy because he wasn't seriously interested in pushing his scum reads. he was making up shit that he was impartial to and otherwise just sliding by on the cases everybody else had already brought up (kay and affinity). he furthers the scum agenda passively rather than actively

(also ihnn's buddy could be the voteblocker instead of him, just throwing that out there)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
... Why did you choose not to mention this until after HW called it to attention?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 08:25:42 PM
"wasn't partial" rather than "was impartial" whatever
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:31:53 PM
seriously though, read this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg977906.html#msg977906), which has been the crux of my ihnn case the entire day (it wasn't the first time i brought that point up)
lol@crux of your case being based on me having college related things to do during that time period&using things I found scummy from your play throughout the game

... Why did you choose not to mention this until after HW called it to attention?
>_>
I'm not going to stop talking you know.
I thought Shadoweh herself had made it fairly clear, over 2 hours prior.  Perhaps not as much in hindsight, but the ">_>" stands out.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 08:34:19 PM
if you had time to write a bunch of words about sheeping people on kay/affinity you could have easily redistributed that time to actually push your main scumread. at the very least you could have brought out bigger points than rvs nitpicks
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:37:49 PM
I thought Shadoweh herself had made it fairly clear, over 2 hours prior.  Perhaps not as much in hindsight, but the ">_>" stands out.

##unvote
##Vote: IHNN


I can't believe you both
A) Recognise that you could be getting framed
B) Do not think it mention-worthy since Shadoweh raised it in an obscure way

I think a Townie would immediately panic because the implications of a vote on you disappearing are pretty obvious and clear. You disregarded its significance instead. Isn't the first thing any Townie would do in a similar situation... to explain why it isn't scummy? I don't think Scum!IHNN would've blocked due to how horribly obvious it is, but I can imagine Scum!IHNN hoping it'll be swept under the rug when his scumbuddy done goofed.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:39:02 PM
Also I'm p. much sold by Huh What explaining how the voteblock is tactical and removes momentum on the IHNN wagon unless BT, Affinity and/or I took sudden interest in it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 08:39:51 PM
Sorry folks, I was completely out of it today. New tohos is only half the reason. I'll try reading through the recent pages with emphasis on noname, or Affinity if he's still going strong (stop me now otherwise).

I wanted to say some things RE: people saying Bard is town and wrong but that'll probably happen by itself with the reread anyway.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:42:40 PM
Also Bard changing opinion scum of the year
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:43:50 PM
I don't see how deciding to focus my limited time on relevant things, i.e. the wagons at consolidation time is a bad thing since on D2 I went back and explained why I thought you were scum with more than a few words.

-cut-
I think a Townie would immediately panic because the implications of a vote on you disappearing are pretty obvious and clear.
Obviously not.

From my point of view, I'm being wagoned because I thought a non-town player was suspicious, and am now being voted because rolespec, which could also be coming from that same non-town player!
Naturally when I see a vote on me disappear I'm going to be a little bit relieved because when I went to sleep last night, I half-seriously expected to be lynched before I woke up.  I'm aware I can't out-argue HW.  This played out in my very first game here.  So when something, anything happened that could maybe swing it off of me today, why would I try to do anything to draw attention to it knowing that if I did I'd be jumped on.
This is heads you win, tails I lose.  I tried to flip an edge.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:45:47 PM
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So when something, anything happened that could maybe swing it off of me today, why would I try to do anything to draw attention to it knowing that if I did I'd be jumped on.

Because it's scummier to hope Town won't notice scum's actions and/or hope to survive to another day not by virtue of convincing people you're not scum but by accepting scum's help?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
I mean seriously, scum's throwing you a bone here, and you're saying as Town the best course of action is to just accept it and quietly hope no one else will notice?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
I mean seriously, scum's throwing you a bone here, and you're saying as Town the best course of action is to just accept it and quietly hope no one else will notice?
IIRC, when HW pointed out the voteblock D1 people jumped on him for noticing it.

I'm not entirely sold the voteblock is scumsided, could easily be something HW is in control of and is using to try to set me up.  and if so, it freaking worked
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
I'm not entirely sold the voteblock is scumsided, could easily be something HW is in control of and is using to try to set me up.  and if so, it freaking worked

What does an ITP!Huh What stand to gain from your lynch today instead of, I dunno, everyone else?
A Scum!HW's gain is pretty obvious, except if he doesn't die tonight we're lynching him tomorrow for being a lying bastard anyway. Except... Town's consolidated mostly on you, and getting a lynch on someone else would be pretty difficult. We'd have to swing wagons in the last 20 hours.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 08:53:55 PM
By which I mean that, if things worked out as you wanted to, the disappearing vote would've swung the wagon off of you and onto someone else.

Don't you understand that it's incredibly scummy to do this. Basically you stand to gain a LOT from people not noticing the voteblock and you gain a LOT from a voteblock on someone who votes you. That you took steps to advance the former makes me think the motive was the latter.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 08:54:50 PM
Yes Huh What, I know Shenzo posted during the first gap.

Yes Huh What, I know lurking is a possibility.

However over four hours? Especially with IHNN's overall activity level in general, not just this game? Let's get realistic here.

Wouldn't put it past someone voteblocking Shadoweh to frame IHNN. And since Validon was active during BOTH voteblock periods, pointed out the slip which probobly resulted in Serela dying, and even now admits he/she dosen't really have any scureads, and has been playing pretty badly in general... yeah, I think it's pretty possible for Validon!Scum.

That said, idk how much of it is due to newbness.

Also, I'll take this moment to say I feel like I've been playing awfully most of this game.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 08:58:32 PM
##Unvote
...I know I'm going to regret this if I do but if absolutely no one else has offered, sure.  I guess.
CALLED IT

Don't you understand that it's incredibly scummy to do this. Basically you stand to gain a LOT from people not noticing the voteblock and you gain a LOT from a voteblock on someone who votes you. That you took steps to advance the former makes me think the motive was the latter.
In hindsight I guess.  But I would see myself doing that in that situation regardless of alignment due to HW's attacks on me.


##Vote:Validon98 for not really having any unique opinions, going with whatever happened as it happened (coasting) and Not Me Over Me, I guess (BBM isn't going to happen today, sadly)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
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has been playing pretty badly in general.

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I feel like I've been playing awfully most of this game.

Why is Validon playing badly indicative of scum?

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pointed out the slip which probobly resulted in Serela dying

If Dormio included a role that could cause a modkill on the person breaking a restriction, why do you think he would not pay specific attention to that person's posts? Why are you putting the onus of Serela's death on Validon's pointing out of his slip, instead of treating it as Serela being derp and slipping? Further, why would the scum post restrictor not just PM the mod and do it so openly?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
WHAT!? You're saying I'M the voteblocker? Whoa whoa whoa, hold up a second, just because I called attention to Serela's slipup doesn't mean it was scum-minded. I honestly screwed up there by calling attention to it. I forgot at the time that there was a chance that Serela would die if he let us know about the post limit. And you're saying that because I was active when the voteblock happened I was the voteblocker? Are you saying that only people who posted in that time would get a chance to voteblock? You are completely ignoring the possibility of lurkers who watched while everyone argued. I'm afraid your logic is unsound there. I'm not the voteblocker. I'm also wondering why you are bringing this up out of nowhere. The voteblock wasn't being talked about before, Rai. You're seeming scummier than you were before. I don't trust you anymore due to this. And if I do get lynched, then good job and lynching another vanilla townie.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 09:06:39 PM
Oh, we had 34 hours last votecount, not 24. So we still have plenty of time to swap wagons. Still seems to benefit IHNN a lot and that he tried to take advantage of this (self-admitted) shows scum-minded gameplay.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 09:09:40 PM
I also want to say that not having definite scumreads isn't necessarily scum-minded play. And my so-called flip-flopping is no different from Rai's behavior D1 especially. That's not a really good reason to jump on me. So you can hate me all you want, IHNN, but I'm done with you.

Vote: IHNN

You're grasping at straws against HW and I honestly don't care if he is itp, if he gets what he wants then most likely the game won't be over for the rest of us. Again, I will vote for him or Shadoweh D3 if they have been lying, assuming I don't get killed tonight (which is likely at this point).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Sorry, I wrote the vote wrong.
##Vote: IHNN
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Pesco on May 26, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
Votecount

I have no name(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98
Bardiche(1): Affinity
Validon98(2): Raikaria, I have no name
Not voting(1): BT
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.
I have no name is at L-1

You have ~26 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 09:18:14 PM
You're grasping at straws against HW
So does anyone who goes against him, your point?

Also you didn't even read my post, I'm voting you for coasting and a lack of original opinions, on anything, at any point.  Raikaria may have been all over the place D1 but he explained why with reasoning, rather than "I agree with X".

Oh and I don't hate you at all, I just find your play rather scummy right now.  The only thing I hate is the reason why I was voted, the only person on me that I understand why is Bard, he actually has a valid reason (even if he reached the wrong conclusion from it)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 09:18:46 PM
has ihnn claimed yet
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
"I agree with x" is reasoning. Other people got the opportunity to express an opinion first, and it's not like I'm going to type up a quote or exactly what they said when you can just refer to that. When I say I agree, I say that the reasoning makes sense and is something I would think in the same situation. I am bad at reading cues sometimes, so if someone forms an opinion that would be mine if I could pick up on the information, then I say I agree with it. It's not scummy, it's just a different way of stating an opinion than everyone else. If you have a problem with it, then tough.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 09:42:53 PM
seriously who the fuck takes this long to claim (or at least post "i don't want to claim yet") as town
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
hammer imo
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 26, 2013, 10:11:56 PM
I can see why IHNN might not claim just quite yet, since there is still over a day left, if it wasn't for the fact that he decided to vote Validon just on the basis of "not me over me". If he's doing that, it's sort of a last resort, but if he's reached that point, one would think he'd claim.

Also, IHNN, you're misrepresenting my D1 if you're going to say that Affinity was the only person I talked about just because I kept my vote on him for most of the day.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:15:22 PM
Just a quickie: isn't the Shadoweh re-block easily explainable with "they preferred targeting someone they'd already targeted"?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:17:30 PM
I also find Rai's vote on Validon hilarious at a glance. Did you consider his reaction to Serela's death at all? Because that sure doesn't look fake.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 10:21:54 PM
Just a quickie: isn't the Shadoweh re-block easily explainable with "they preferred targeting someone they'd already targeted"?
i don't see why scum would block based on that. it's very easy for them to block their own ranks so it's not like they'd be clearing people
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:31:43 PM
I also find Rai's vote on Validon hilarious at a glance. Did you consider his reaction to Serela's death at all? Because that sure doesn't look fake.

Oh yeah because he's totally gonna dance around celebrating.

WHAT!? You're saying I'M the voteblocker? Whoa whoa whoa, hold up a second, just because I called attention to Serela's slipup doesn't mean it was scum-minded. I honestly screwed up there by calling attention to it. I forgot at the time that there was a chance that Serela would die if he let us know about the post limit. And you're saying that because I was active when the voteblock happened I was the voteblocker? Are you saying that only people who posted in that time would get a chance to voteblock? You are completely ignoring the possibility of lurkers who watched while everyone argued. I'm afraid your logic is unsound there. I'm not the voteblocker. I'm also wondering why you are bringing this up out of nowhere. The voteblock wasn't being talked about before, Rai. You're seeming scummier than you were before. I don't trust you anymore due to this. And if I do get lynched, then good job and lynching another vanilla townie.

Apologies, but if before you 'trusted' me for the reason you said of making cases and looking for scum, and then suddenly distrust me as soon as I see something which makes me think you may be scum, you're doing two things wrong:

1: Trusting me in the first place. I'm not confirmed. No-one should be trusting me. Just like I'm not trusting Huh What.
2: Effectively saying 'I don't trust you anymore because you've voted me!', when all I'm doing is the same thing you said you found me town for before.

Well, seems people think my theory is silly. Don't mind that, not a big deal. It's a theory. I don't think an Affinity lynch is actually going to be happening either, and IHNN looks no *better* than before.

I'll give him an hour to claim. After that I'm hammering.

Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:33:24 PM
seriously who the fuck takes this long to claim (or at least post "i don't want to claim yet") as town

He could be, you know... not here?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:34:52 PM
You seriously think I said "doesn't look fake" because he showed disappointment? It doesn't look fake because it doesn't look fake. You could take a look if you care about it enough.

How would it be a good idea to hammer? ...Especially if you think he's away?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:35:09 PM
Actually I just saw the timestamps of those posts. Ignore the above post, half an hour isn't a period where I'd be likly to think IHNN vanished and went to sleep or something, especially when he only just started posting.

Likewise, half an hour is still too quick to say 'he must be scum because not claiming'. IRL exists.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:36:38 PM
You seriously think I said "doesn't look fake" because he showed disappointment? It doesn't look fake because it doesn't look fake. You could take a look if you care about it enough.

How would it be a good idea to hammer? ...Especially if you think he's away?

Cut by this.

I don't exactly have anyone else to vote at this point. People don't agree with my Validon theory, so I'll drop him. Huh What, Shadoweh and Affinity lynches are not gonna happen, and I've got to go to sleep soon-ish.

Also Huh-What saying 'We should hammer guys'.

Wait why on earth am I listening to Huh What? Take your own advice Rai.

Latenight Rai, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 10:39:29 PM
Sorry, that was an overreaction talking there. I do that a lot. >.>
And I never said I 100% trusted you. The only one so far who has seemed 100% trustworthy to me is BT. So don't go priding yourself in thinking I completely trusted you, because I didn't. I merely leaned to town for you, but I never said I thought you were definitely town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:40:42 PM
I still don't get how you would functionally say "I'll give him half an hour to claim" followed by "he could be away".

More seriously, you had a few ways to respond to that first point:
1) BT, I agree.
2) BT, I disagree.
3) What are my vote options again?

Take a guess which one's the worst of the bunch.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Again, though, overreaction. Of course, the way you phrased it means it wasn't meant as a reaction test. You were dead serious. That's what made me overreact like that, so... yeah. Even if it was just a reaction test, then I would have probably acted the same way. I'm not the voteblocker. I know I could flavorclaim, but it looks like everyone wants to ignore that so I won't.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Sorry, that was an overreaction talking there. I do that a lot. >.>
And I never said I 100% trusted you. The only one so far who has seemed 100% trustworthy to me is BT. So don't go priding yourself in thinking I completely trusted you, because I didn't. I merely leaned to town for you, but I never said I thought you were definitely town.

For me, the word 'Trust' implies you trust me. Even if you think someone is town, don't trust them. ONLY trust confirmed players.

I still don't get how you would functionally say "I'll give him half an hour to claim" followed by "he could be away".

More seriously, you had a few ways to respond to that first point:
1) BT, I agree.
2) BT, I disagree.
3) What are my vote options again?

Take a guess which one's the worst of the bunch.

Because it's 11:40pm and my head is therefor in sleep mode? I didn't functionally say it. My brain isn't fully functional :P

3 is the worst. However, I actually answered 1, and explained I was listening to Huh What saying 'Hammer now imo'. Then I explained that combined with my priority lynches not happening made me want to hammer IHNN. 11:00pm brainfarts.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 10:45:08 PM
##Unvote

And we're having no quickhammers before IHNN has had a time to claim.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:46:30 PM
Again, though, overreaction. Of course, the way you phrased it means it wasn't meant as a reaction test. You were dead serious. That's what made me overreact like that, so... yeah. Even if it was just a reaction test, then I would have probably acted the same way. I'm not the voteblocker. I know I could flavorclaim, but it looks like everyone wants to ignore that so I won't.

Cut.


Actually that post was a theory post. I splashed a theory down that I had brewing in my head, and then wanted to see how town reacted to said theory. Would they agree or disagree? It was a thought I had, which I needed input on. It was in no way a dead serious accusation [Although I had to make it sound like a proper case, the disclaimer at the start says otherwise].

Which is why I'm happy to not push you now town turned around and told me 'Rai, you're being a hyper conspiracy theory moron again.'

Let's put it this way. In about 6~7 mafia games, I've not cooked up some crazy facepalm theory in... two? One of which I died N1.

##Unvote

And we're having no quickhammers before IHNN has had a time to claim.

Well... I'm not happy with my Validon vote anymore.

Back to Huh What then as a votepark? Lynching 3rds is always cool.

##Unvote
##Vote: Huh What
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
Votecount

I have no name(3): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Validon98
Validon98(1): I have no name
huh what(1): Raikaria
Bardiche(1): Affinity
Not voting(2): BT, Bardiche
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~25 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
seriously who the fuck takes this long to claim (or at least post "i don't want to claim yet") as town
Someone who posts and then immediately goes and does homework, and then has dinner.  Not everyone has mafia be their entire life.  I literally posted, closed the tab, did homework, had dinner, came back to this "lol ur scum for not being here".  I'm sick of it.

IRL reasons making look scummy again >_>

I was kind of hoping to not have to claim which is why I didn't sooner.

I'm a rolecop, N1 I targeted Serela and it came up vanilla.  I targeted Serela because I wasn't entirely sure of alignment and figured the scum would likely have some sort of ridiculous role.  Since it came up vanilla I didn't push Serela, not that it ended up mattering >_>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm accusing you of voting Validon for the sake of having a vote. Once I objected to your vote, instead of addressing whether or not you still suspect him (you know, what is expected assuming you legitimately suspected the person you were voting) you audibly decide that you should change options. No sign of your "theory" being an actual concern to you and all the signs of it being otherwise. Oh uh that's actually reasonable.

Since I still didn't read the thread yet (I am secretly illiterate) could you specify who is "the town" that told you you were being a moron? Safe to assume it wasn't just me, right?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:51:59 PM
Don't parse that. You targeted Serela because you suspected him?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm accusing you of voting Validon for the sake of having a vote. Once I objected to your vote, instead of addressing whether or not you still suspect him (you know, what is expected assuming you legitimately suspected the person you were voting) you audibly decide that you should change options. No sign of your "theory" being an actual concern to you and all the signs of it being otherwise. Oh uh that's actually reasonable.

Since I still didn't read the thread yet (I am secretly illiterate) could you specify who is "the town" that told you you were being a moron? Safe to assume it wasn't just me, right?

'The Town' is my term for players in general.
'Townies' are members of the town who are... Green
'Scum' are members of the town who are not green

Raikaria to everyone else glossary.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
Don't parse that. You targeted Serela because you suspected him?
Wasn't sure how to read figured having role info would help.  Leaned town after seeing vanilla show up.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 10:53:37 PM
ihnn is the post restricter claiming his real target in case he got tracked imo
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 10:53:48 PM
IHNN: Why not target your main suspect?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 10:54:30 PM
Because HW had claimed PGO and his being third party wasn't known yet.  I wasn't about to perform a potentially suicidal action.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:55:23 PM
Rai: No I mean can you name other people who convinced you your theory is crap?

IHNN: Why Serela though? Seems awfully convenient that you wanted to know more about the guy who already flipped. Don't see the special reason for Serela.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 10:55:39 PM
Yeah, that's not a good response. I sort of got cut by Bard's post, but yeah, target the suspects, not someone who's on the sidelines. Also, quite the coincidence it was Serela, who just happened to be post-restricted. I'm not really buying this claim.
Cut again: How was that suicidal?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 10:55:57 PM
i don't really see a reason not to hammer ihnn. the target is suspicious (especially given serela's restriction), there's no crumbs to back him up and he's scummy regardless of claim
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.

I'm cool with hammer but wouldn't we want more discussion anyway? Iunno.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 10:58:07 PM
Actually scratch that re: suicidal. Uh. That's not how PGO works though?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 10:59:18 PM
PGO passively kills anyone who targets them at night, therefore if HW wasn't gambiting and actually was a PGO targeting him would have resulted in my death.  I didn't want to risk it.

Serela was because Serela usually makes it farther into the game making the information more useful to town later in the game and that I'm usually unable to read Serela.

-cuts-
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.
I'm not a very risky player.
crumbs to back him up
Not sure how this is actually relevant.

-STOP CUTTING ME I HAVE EXPLANATIONS-
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
IHNN: But if you believe Huh What to be Scum on Day 1 (you did iirc), then why would you believe there is a Scum!PGO (that is massively unbalanced, and if Scum, why claim PGO?), and why did you target Serela when you hadn't really mentioned Serela overmuch? I recall you also suspected Affinity, why of all people Serela over any of the suspects you stated?

Picking someone who's flipped is also "..."

Also what's with everyone saying Roleclop instead of rol?ec??op?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:00:03 PM
It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.

Yeah, think a little before coming up with bullshit. Your claim isn't holding too much water, IHNN. I'm fine for a hammer too at this point. Unless you do some heavy convincing, I'm not unvoting for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:00:27 PM
Rai: No I mean can you name other people who convinced you your theory is crap?

IHNN: Why Serela though? Seems awfully convenient that you wanted to know more about the guy who already flipped. Don't see the special reason for Serela.

Myself re-thinking, and generally being ignored.

Generally when people ignore my theorydumps that means they think it's dumb. Or at least not worth talking about, let alone using words on.

IHNN: Why Serela though? Seems awfully convenient that you wanted to know more about the guy who already flipped. Don't see the special reason for Serela.

There was that thing at the start of D1 about the voteblock but other than that, I'm lost too.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 11:01:15 PM
Roleclop is from Adorable Game of Mafia. The game you SAID you'd read but nope.

I actually find his explanations reasonable now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 26, 2013, 11:01:31 PM
I'm cool with hammer but wouldn't we want more discussion anyway? Iunno.
not much more to talk about really. no point in letting the day drag out
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:01:55 PM
I actually find his explanations reasonable now.

Who's 'his'.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
Picking someone who's flipped is also "..."
I'm aware that makes it look very fake. >_>

Unless you do some heavy convincing
Well since my best bet for an alternative wagon at this point is you, you wouldn't unvote anyways.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 11:03:14 PM
IHNN's.

The only thing that's bad with the claim now is:
1) Serela still a convenient target
2) Town rolecop

Got any flavor?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 11:03:50 PM
Um, IHNN, quick summary of why you're voting Validon? I'm a notorious didn't-read-this-shit kind of person.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
I actually find his explanations reasonable now.

Uh...

It's also funny that he apparently chose to believe your PGO claim. The guy he suspected.

There's still this. This is what is really damning IHNN in my mind.

Cut:
Well since my best bet for an alternative wagon at this point is you, you wouldn't unvote anyways.

Uh, what do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 11:05:33 PM
But I went back on that Validon. Even if he did suspect huhwhat no one is guaranteed scum to anyone unless they're scum and so I actually choose to believe that he wouldn't want to take the risk that huhwhat wasn't lying.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:06:01 PM
IHNN's.

The only thing that's bad with the claim now is:
1) Serela still a convenient target
2) Town Roleclop

Got any flavor?

Town Rolecop could confirm claims, and find out if roles exist. Also the scum roles may mention killing and stuff. IDK how rolecopping fully works and what information you get from it. Never been one.

And yes, Serela is a very convenient target.

Hammer if you guys want. I need to sleep, and I'm voting:

##Unvote
##Vote: Huh What


Um, IHNN, quick summary of why you're voting Validon? I'm a notorious didn't-read-this-shit kind of person.

Sheeping my theory with Not Me Over Me.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
What exactly is Not Me Over Me, again? I tried looking it up and got nothing. >.>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 11:06:54 PM
Chihaya, Transfer Student.  I can summon my familiar Sakuya (not the maid from EoSD of course) to research someone during the night.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 26, 2013, 11:07:18 PM
Oh god I'm sleep-deprived

##Unvote
##Vote: IHNN


What exactly is Not Me Over Me, again? I tried looking it up and got nothing. >.>

Voting someone because they are your counterwagon. You're voting for survival.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
Votecount

I have no name(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Validon98, Raikaria
Validon98(1): I have no name
Bardiche(1): Affinity
Not voting(2): BT, Bardiche
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~25 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T100002&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 11:08:12 PM
Not Me Over Me is during consolidation when the 2 opposing wagons vote each other, voting someone else over themself.

I voted Validon because of the other people with votes at the time it was the one I agreed with most due to the lack of original content/opinions and general coasting.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
IHNN, why Serela over Affinity who you suspected?

Also, seriously guys, call rolec?o?ps rolec???ops! It's driving me insane.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: BT on May 26, 2013, 11:09:57 PM
I'm sure Sakuya and her possessed knives would have been of help to you right about now. :V

I've got the feeling that I still want Bard (or someone like) lynched over noname here. Not very fair towards Bard considering I haven't even read his responses properly but gut feelings be gut feelings.

huhwhat from a scale of 1 to 10 how damning is your evidence against noname and what would you say is the slam dunk?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: I have no name on May 26, 2013, 11:11:01 PM
IHNN, why Serela over Affinity who you suspected?
I didn't suspect Affinity, I said I didn't understand why people were voting him at all and requested a wagon explanation, which never happened.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Validon98 on May 26, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
Fine, you want an original opinion? Here's one I've been holding back about Shadoweh, because I didn't think anyone would believe it. Everyone was arguing that her flavor doesn't automatically peg her as town, right? Well, I did a little research on Rewrite and I think that the protagonists are definitely town, considering I'm a protagonist and I know I'm town. Of course, that's a weak argument, hence why I held it back, because I knew some people probably wouldn't believe it.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Bardiche on May 26, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
I didn't suspect Affinity, I said I didn't understand why people were voting him at all and requested a wagon explanation, which never happened.

You posted about Huh What > SilentShaman > Affinity though.

Calling it now: Huh what is an ITP who can solo win but wins twice over with the Town if he manages to lynch all the scums.

##Unvote
##Vote: IHNN


And I am done with today.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 11:13:59 PM
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Night 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 26, 2013, 11:58:35 PM
Final Votecount

I have no name(5): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Validon98, Raikaria, Bardiche
Validon98(1): I have no name
Bardiche(1): Affinity
Not voting(1): BT
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

"So this is the end, huh?"
"I guess it's not so bad... Right, Sakuya?"
I have no name called out to her only friend as she lay on the streets, dying.
The only person to have been by her side and supported her since she was orphaned.
"... Sakuya?"
However, no matter how many times she called for him, Sakuya was nowhere to be seen.
In her final moments, I have no name was truly alone.
I have no name - Chihaya, Owner of the Strongest Familiar(Jack of all Trades) was lynched Day 2!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/chihaya.jpg)

It is now Night 2, you have 24 hours to send in any night actions that you may or may not have. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130528T10&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 27, 2013, 10:53:11 PM
A mad cackling could be heard through the city of Kazamatsuri.
"Finally... Finally!"
A shadowy figure walked up to the corpse she had created.
After all this time, she had gotten her vengeance.
Now, she just wanted to see the face of the person that had caused her so much suffering for the past decade.
However, the identity of the body wasn't quite who she expected.
Shadoweh - Kotarou, Servant of the Key(Survivor) was hunted N2!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kotarou.jpg)

"Why did this happen..."
"This... This isn't what I wanted..."
"Kotarou... I'm so sorry..."
Bardiche draped herself over the corpse she had just created, crying.
Unfortunately, because of this, she didn't notice the aurora forming around the corpse's right arm.
Bardiche - ??????, ??????(??????) was devoured N2!

Votecount

Not Voting(6): huh what, BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Affinity
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

You have ~73 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130531T10&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 10:58:40 PM
I didn't kill Shadoweh, surprisingly.

I think we should massclaim. Will clear up doubts about my role/wincon when that happens.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
also stop ignoring me on irc dormafia
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 27, 2013, 11:23:22 PM
Bleh, why did I convince myself that using flavourlogic was appropriate?

Prims, what exactly happens to you now that Kotarou is dead? Two kills don't endear me to an ITP.

Also, it's probably 4/1/1 so I'm not entirely sure a massclaim is necessary.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
I'm Kagari, the Key(The Key). I'm immune to all night actions and have to target somebody each night - if they're Kotarou, I win and we both leave the game. If Kotarou dies, I just have a town wincon (hence trying to lynch IHNN). Targeted BBM N1 and Shadoweh N2 but the kill on Shadoweh resolved before my action so I'm just a Town Ascetic now.

This is heavily implied by the lack of any sort of *YLO warning, in case BBM still thinks I'm a SK variant or whatever (if I was, then a mislynch could render the game unwinnable for town)

Massclaim would be useful to explain what the fuck happened last night. I asked Dormio and he specifically told me that the flavor was related to the night results, so I'm assuming Bard was vig. If you ask him you should get the same answer.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Prims, what exactly happens to you now that Kotarou is dead? Two kills don't endear me to an ITP.

Also, it's probably 4/1/1 so I'm not entirely sure a massclaim is necessary.
see above post, also, massclaim would provide pseudoclears on the claimed PRs since everybody has just been vt so far
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 27, 2013, 11:31:20 PM
Hmm, night results do imply vig!Bardiche, and him shooting Shadoweh is certainly in line with his D2.

Wouldn't be surprised if JoaT!IHNN inspected Bard N1, which is why he got janned. I'd probably lynch Affinity > BT today, with BT there because tbh I would have expected him to die by now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 27, 2013, 11:34:03 PM
Wait, no, IHNN probably post-restricted Serela. Plus, if he actually had inspected Bard, he probably would have gone with that so that he'd have real results.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
yeah pretty sure scum is between those two. i still want massclaim though, pretty sure it would help us narrow this down

i thought bard was the last scum :( was gonna write a hugeass case on him 2day and everything
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:38:02 PM
since dormio said the flavor matters, it's also possible bard would die depending on who he vigged or something crazy
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:40:50 PM
anyway BBM where's you're claim
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:45:29 PM
actually we should have a claim order.

BT
Raikaria
BBM

so yeah hold off on that. we are massclaiming today though, it's the optimal time to do it when tomorrow is gonna be *ylo. not really worth losing some guy's night results to a NK because he didn't claim
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 27, 2013, 11:49:49 PM
yeah pretty sure scum is between those two. i still want massclaim though, pretty sure it would help us narrow this down

i thought bard was the last scum :( was gonna write a hugeass case on him 2day and everything
If you were expecting to win last night, why were you planning on writing a case today?

Also, why is Affinity not in that claim order? Unless he claimed somewhere and I missed/forgot it. Validon too, but I'm not worried about him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 27, 2013, 11:51:38 PM
there was an implicit "if i didn't win" in that sentence

also Affinity and Validon both claimed VT.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 27, 2013, 11:59:06 PM
Yeah, I claimed Vanilla Townie, but I might as well reveal my flavor as well. Shizuru, Saury Enthusiast and Vanilla Townie, reporting for duty.
But man, I NEVER expected that to happen to Bard. I was ready to vote for him because of his sudden hammering on IHNN, which I felt was suspicious, but it's too late now, I suppose.
Also, I was thinking that IHNN was the voteblocker and the post-limiter, or at least one of the two once the flip occurred. That explains his vote against me.
Not sure what else to add at this point. Considering you're clear, HW, there's only a few possible targets left. The problem is I'm not sure which one, so I'm withholding my vote until the massclaim is finished.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 12:17:30 AM
Also, for the sake of not holding up the game, I wouldn't really care if Raikaria claimed before BT if BT is busy. Just, BBM should claim last.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 12:24:39 AM
Is it because you visited him on N1?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 12:27:52 AM
not really, BBM is just very likely to be town for being an early, stable vote of the IHNN wagon D2 and IHNN trying to push BBM as a counterwagon to IHNN's own lynch here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg978730.html#msg978730).

don't know how much experience you have with massclaims, but generally townier players are supposed to claim last in case they can catch scum who claimed before them in a lie
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 12:30:19 AM
Ah, that makes sense. I sort of had a situation like that in an actual Epic Mafia game wherein everyone claimed... but of course one of the mafs screwed up and claimed a role that was already dead. Safe to say, he was lynched like the scum he was (also it was a Zombie Apocalypse game and I somehow ended up being the Zombie and the Doctor at the same time... which meant I instantly died N1 due to how the system handles that).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 28, 2013, 12:40:51 AM
Votecount

Not Voting(6): huh what, BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria, Affinity
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

You have ~71.5 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130531T10&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 05:08:07 AM
actually we should have a claim order.

BT
Raikaria
BBM

so yeah hold off on that. we are massclaiming today though, it's the optimal time to do it when tomorrow is gonna be *ylo. not really worth losing some guy's night results to a NK because he didn't claim

Yo, claiming now regardless of the order, because I have an exam today followed by me moving back to my family home.

Due to these two things DO NOT EXPECT MUCH FROM ME TODAY.

I am Akane, President of the Occult Club (Vanilla Townie)

Also, I find it interesting you are omitting Affinity from your claiming order altogether.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 05:50:31 AM
Also not 100% sure who to vote right now, leaning Affinity but I am not just going to votepark Affinity all day without having time to re-explain my case, or anything to really add to it after D2.

Hence no vote right now.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 05:55:23 AM
affinity already claimed. i already said this today. learn 2 read
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 06:13:07 AM
affinity already claimed. i already said this today. learn 2 read

Remember my brainfarts last week when I had an exam?

My head is full of Corporate Governance. Not mafias. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 07:37:11 AM
Alright then, we're just waiting on BT before I go.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BT on May 28, 2013, 09:26:25 AM
Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard)

I targeted Bard N1 because I thought he would be killed if town.
I targeted Shadoweh N2 because why do you think?

Dormio's response to "was my action recieved" was "yes". Dormio's response to "was my action affected by other roles" was "lol not gonna tell you" (rough paraphrasing).

"What the fuck happened last night" is a good question that needs some thought put into it.

huhwhat is confirmed third party due to "the key" but I question his harmlessness. Bard "makes sense" as a vig but then what the hell?

Has someone gone through Affinity-noname interactions?

I don't have time for any of this.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BT on May 28, 2013, 09:27:19 AM
Oh ok, "I don't know the reason why my action failed" is the official paraphrased answer.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BT on May 28, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
Maybe I was just blocked but then why wouldn't I just get a "you were blocked" message? Whatever, just because I wouldn't do it doesn't mean it wasn't so.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 09:41:26 AM
Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard)

I targeted Bard N1 because I thought he would be killed if town.
I targeted Shadoweh N2 because why do you think?

Dormio's response to "was my action recieved" was "yes". Dormio's response to "was my action affected by other roles" was "lol not gonna tell you" (rough paraphrasing).

"What the fuck happened last night" is a good question that needs some thought put into it.

Pretty agreed here. Seems Bard killed Shadoweh and Bard got killed by the scums and you got blocked or something?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:16:24 PM
BT's probably town. let's hear it bbm
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:17:09 PM
also if i wasnt town now wed be in *ylo

but lynch me if the game continues after maflynch i guess
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Affinity on May 28, 2013, 02:36:06 PM
Actually, I lied.  I am Nishikujo, Playful Teacher (Cop).  Every even night (N2, N4), I may investigate a target and learn if they are a threat to town. 

I investigated Raikaria yesterday, and he is indeed a threat to town.  I did so for the reasons I listed over the course of the game.

##Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
crumbs?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:42:21 PM
i gotta leave for school but i think affinity might be desperate mafia. just find it hard to believe that he was ran up twice over the game as an investigative role and fakeclaimed vt with no allusions to his real role

then again it'd be weird to do this with 2 mislynches left so. hm
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
but yeah if bbm is also a power role (especially if investigative) i'd lynch affinity today then raikaria tomorrow instead of the other way around
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:33:10 PM
Actually, I lied.  I am Nishikujo, Playful Teacher (Cop).  Every even night (N2, N4), I may investigate a target and learn if they are a threat to town. 

I investigated Raikaria yesterday, and he is indeed a threat to town.  I did so for the reasons I listed over the course of the game.

##Vote: Raikaria

Firstly, Lynch all Liars. You lied. Why should we lynch you?

I've been pushing on you most of the game too, and having even-only copping days seems weird.

Secondly, I have a theory, but need BBM to claim first.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:33:30 PM
Firstly, Lynch all Liars. You lied. Why should we lynch you?

*shouldn't
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 03:36:44 PM
I'm also a VT.

If it's 4/1/1, a mislynch and a NK will make it 2/1/1. If Affinity is faking and Raikaria is mislynched, it'll become 2/1/1 for tomorrow. If Affinity has the voteblock, it'll go to 1/1/1, meaning if Prims is not telling the truth about his role transformation, he could side with the mafia and win in LYLO tomorrow. But that would depend on the mafia trusting that Prims is lying about becoming Town following Kotarou's death and that he'd side with them, which I see as unlikely. So I'm willing to lynch Raikaria.

Also, lynch all liars isn't valid. There are situations where it is valid for town.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:41:29 PM
I'm also a VT.

OK. I can post this now.

Someone is BS'ing.

The only way that this:

Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard)

I targeted Bard N1 because I thought he would be killed if town.
I targeted Shadoweh N2 because why do you think?

Dormio's response to "was my action recieved" was "yes". Dormio's response to "was my action affected by other roles" was "lol not gonna tell you" (rough paraphrasing).

"What the fuck happened last night" is a good question that needs some thought put into it.

Which means someone role-blocked BT last night, unless:

1: BT is lying
2: There are actually 2 mafias, making a total of 3 mafias in a 12 man game with 2 3rd parties that can vanish from the game.
3: Someone else is lying and there is a town roleblocker.

In addition, Huh What, can you confirm if the voteblock had ANYTHING to do with you or not. You may have said it before with me missing it, but I need it specifically confirmed or denied now, otherwise, we should consider this a 5 man voting pool.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:43:08 PM
Also it may be a combination of 1 and 2. BT could be lying, while I know for a fact Affinity is also lying, I'm not the scums.

However I want to get to the bottom of this before jumping to conclusions about anything. Wouldn't put it past someone messing with results.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
Tl;dr: Can the real roleblocker please stand up?

[Or the real not Bodyguard]
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:49:29 PM
Tl;dr: Can the real roleblocker please stand up?

[Or the real not Bodyguard]

Also if no-one admits lying, I'll assume there are two mafia, with the roleblock being mafia-controlled [If it even exists] and the mafia are BT/Affinity.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
Actually Validon and BBM are possible mafia too if there indeed was a roleblock.

I feel like pointing out the rules do not say Lylo and variants will be announced as well. This could be MYLO with 2 mafias.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
Also Bard seems to have been hit by a Janitor shot, which, with a 'Jack of all trades' already exisiting, makes the odds of there being a Janitor who is also a roleblocker while killing someone slim to none.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 03:55:29 PM
7/3/1/1 with the amount of Vanillas in this game and the vote-block would be some BS.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 04:47:35 PM
7/3/1/1 with the amount of Vanillas in this game and the vote-block would be some BS.

Admittedly so, which is the sole reason I am not stating such as fact.

However what is fact is that with only one mafia left, either BT is lying or someone is not owning up to being a roleblocker. Mafia couldn't have roleblocked and killed unless there are 2 mafias, or there are shenanigans going on.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 04:49:31 PM
Plus there is also the fact that Affinity has either had his result messed with, or is also lying. [Or isn't sane. But even day restrictions+insane would be even more BS than 7/3/2]

Actually, since the 3rd party can either co-win or join with town, it's still really 9/3.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 04:51:04 PM
Or maybe 8/3/1 since their wincon wouldn't solely be 'Town wins' unless one died. When you factor that the 3rd parties are effectively townies with their own wincon as well, it's a lot more reasonable to think 3 mafia is a possibility.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 04:54:36 PM
Except the two thirds can leave the game on N1. If they did, and we had a D1 mislynch, it'd be 5/3 + voteblock on D2, which is dumb.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 04:56:39 PM
True, however, it must be considered a possibility, especially as this game was not stated to be not bastard, and may have elements that can be considered as such.

Anyway, not much point discussing this until there has been fair time for someone to admit being a town roleblocker.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
Bastard is distinct from imbalanced though. And don't forget the post restrictor who can kill someone if they slip up. We could literally lose on D2 with a 3p mafia.

However, going over Bard's posts, he was staunchly in support of Raikaria and against Affinity. I can't see Rai killing one of his supporters tbh. blah
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BT on May 28, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
1) I don't know if I was BLOCKED
2) We don't know how the mafia NK works
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BT on May 28, 2013, 05:36:21 PM
The possibility of scum!huhwhat flashed before my eyes a few times but I really don't think there's no "the key" role itg and it's hard to believe it's scum (though technically possible). Dormio ran two ITPs in Angel Beats! too.

Someone needs to go through all the connections. That someone can't be me as much as I'd want a sane voice in this normally.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Raikaria on May 28, 2013, 05:38:46 PM
1) I don't know if I was BLOCKED
2) We don't know how the mafia NK works

It is reasonable to assume. I'm just using blocked since that is the most likely thing. It may be possible that the mafia kill is a strongman I guess that ignores your BG.

I'm attempting to go through all the connections. It makes my brain ache.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 06:11:04 PM
Prims was the first person to argue against IHNN on D2 and IHNN was also trying to push blame on him throughout D2. Unless that, as well as Prims talking about Kotarou from the very beginning of D2 was all set up, I can't see him being mafia. Additionally, 8/3/1 with voteblock+PR is still imba, especially considering Survivor can joint with mafia.

The thing is, it was Bard, not the mafia, who attacked Shadoweh. Unless Bard was a Strongman Vig, it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 28, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
Dormio, can you confirm whether or not MYLO/LYLO would be announced?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 07:45:08 PM
Just reading through this now, and yeah, Affinity claiming cop that can only report every even-numbered day seems weird. That and lying about being VT is not really helping his case. Out of everyone here, his claim is the least reasonable.
As with the bodyguard thing, I'm not sure how that worked out. I mean, there could be a roleblocker, but I don't know. If Bard wasn't janed (at least I believe he was janed, unless there's some other potential reason for not having his role revealed), we'd probably understand more about what happened last night, but for right now, we can only speculate.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 09:21:03 PM
bt wasn't blocked, bard just had a strongman kill. my role implies there are some actions that might bypass ascetic. a weirdass flavor vig sounds like a likely candidate for that. thanks for not shooting me, bard!

still waiting on affinity to clarify  his claim
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
not a voteblocker btw.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
also, affinity, why cop raikaria over bard?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
(that said i want to just kneejerk lynch raikaria since bbm isn't a pr and pushing LAL when not applicable is just ugh)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 28, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
Votecount

Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not Voting(6): huh what, BT, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, Raikaria
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

You have ~49 hours remaining in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130531T10&p0=240)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 28, 2013, 11:07:38 PM
huh, the votecounts changed from "with X votes in play" to "with X alive". presumably the voteblock is disabled now?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 11:12:21 PM
Well, considering IHNN is dead and he was probably the voteblocker, I'd assume so.
Also, yeah, the cop on Rai confuses me a little. I was going to say something about it earlier, but I held my breath like an idiot. In my opinion, yeah, I would have copped Bard myself if I were cop, because the sudden hammer on IHNN after unvoting himself to prevent a quickhammer seemed a little suspicious.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 28, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
Of course, that's all depending on what exactly Jack of All Trades means, which I assume means he could do more than just voteblock.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Affinity on May 28, 2013, 11:55:53 PM
No crumbs. 

I thought Bardiche would easily have been discussed thoroughly today due to his not talking about IHNN yesterday until very late, and the appropriate votejumps.  The posts and reactions he would be then for everyone to judge.  But I copped Raikaria because I felt that he was getting a free pass for his obstinacy and other towntells, when in fact his content has been quite questionable the past few days as I have tried to point out.  He would not have to defend himself today as much, therefore less reactions for scrutiny.

Lynch all Liars in this case is inappropriate; townies lie about their roles all the time when it is needed.  I wanted to get through to today while not getting NK'ed or roleblocked, and I had the confidence I would last through yesterday.  Thus, the vanilla townie claim.  Since I got a guilty result last night, I retracted it; my role has already done its job.

Also the idea of me throwing the game in this fashion is hilarious as scum?  A one-for-one scum for townie trade is bad for the mafia no matter how you look at it, especially when that townie claimed VT instead of some power role.

I don't understand why people are thinking that even-night cops are weird when it is in fact a common role.  I would also have nothing to gain about lying about that. 
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 12:01:01 AM
Dormio, can you confirm whether or not MYLO/LYLO would be announced?
I would announce *YLO.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 29, 2013, 12:39:01 AM
Alright then,  ##Vote: Raikaria.

We can get Affinity tomorrow if Rai flips town. People pushing LAL just remind me of Touko in that game where I got mislynched.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 12:47:41 AM
I'm honestly not sure whether to trust Affinity or not, but if you put it that way, BBM, then it seems like a feasible option. It's not like we're at LYLO, so we might as well take a shot in the dark (well, it's kind of a guided shot, so I guess the saying doesn't really fit).

##Vote: Raikaria
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 02:59:49 AM
##Vote: Raikaria (L-0)
affinity i'm relying on you to not nk me tonight if this is wrong :colbert:
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 03:00:53 AM
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 03:21:19 AM
Final Votecount

Raikaria(4): Affinity, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, huh what
Not Voting(2): BT, Raikaria
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

"I will not allow this sort of ending!"
"What point is there in keeping something as worthless as humanity!"
Despite having been worn down by Guardian's members, Raikaria refused to give up.
"Even if I don't have the Key, I will- Ah..."
At the edge of her vision, Raikaria could see the figure of the Key walking along the streets.
She took this opportunity to call out to it.
"You're the Key, aren't you?! Why haven't you brought about salvation yet?! Why do we still have to suffer?!"
The Key turned for just a moment, giving Raikaria a look of pity, before continuing on her way.
"Aha... Ahahaha... So that's how it is..."
Raikaria - Akane, Successor of the Holy Woman(Roleblocker) was lynched Day 2!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/akane.jpg)

"Is it... Is it over?"
Affinity, BigBangMeteor, Validon98, and BT looked at each other before they began to smile.
"It's finally over, isn't it?"
"We won."
"We won!"
"The world isn't going to end!"
Affinity - Nishikujo, Playful Teacher(Cop) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/nishikujo.jpg)
BigBangMeteor - Imamiya, Loiterer(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/imamiya.jpg)
Validon98 - Shizuru, Saury Enthusiast(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/shizuru.jpg)
BT - Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/esaka.jpg)

Meanwhile, huh what continued to walk the streets alone, unnoticed by anyone else.
"Kotarou... Why couldn't you stay with me?"
huh what was torn, Shadoweh had shown her that humanity was definitely worth protecting, but...
"What are you looking so mopey about?"
huh what turned towards the voice. It couldn't be... Kotarou?
"Haha, sorry for scaring you like that. Now, let's go back, Kagari. We don't belong here."
huh what - Kagari, the Key(Survivor) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kagari.jpg)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 03:21:26 AM
Bardiche - Kotori, the Druid(Druid) has won the game!
Affinity - Nishikujo, Playful Teacher(Cop) has won the game!
BT - Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard) has won the game!
Zakeri - Lucia, Humanity's Future(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
Validon98 - Shizuru, Saury Enthusiast(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
BigBangMeteor - Imamiya, Loiterer(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
SilentShaman - Yoshino, Self-proclaimed Delinquent(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
Serela - Chibimoth, Unusual Dog(Vanilla Townie) has won the game!
huh what - Kagari, the Key(Survivor) has won the game!
Shadoweh - Kotarou, Servant of the Key(Survivor) has won the game!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 03:21:31 AM
-- TOWN --

Shadoweh
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kotarou.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotarou, the Rewriter(Rewriter).
You were content with your peaceful life, having fun with the occult club, when you were thrown into the middle of this war in the shadows.
Now, you can't even discern friend from foe as you try to discover the truth behind this war for the Key.
If you discover the truth behind this war you might even be able to get back your fun, everyday life.

You've always had the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote, and it seems like they're going to come in handy now:
  • Rewrite: You aren't sure whether to think of your power as a gift or a curse, but it's all you have. Once per day, at any point during the day, you may rewrite yourself to gain additional powers for the following night. However, you do not know what powers you will gain after rewriting yourself. You know that rewriting yourself has its consequences. If you choose to rewrite your current vote, if you have one, will be removed and you will be unable to vote for the remainder of that day. In addition to this, every time you rewrite yourself, you will lower your own lynch threshold by ONE(1). You also note that rewriting yourself too many times may cause something terrible to happen.
  • Childhood Trauma: Ever since you accidentally abused your ability to rewrite in elementary school, you've been afraid of using it or having your powers discovered by others. As such you are not allowed to make any mention of your ability to rewrite in thread, nor can you acknowledge any benefits or disadvantages that have been granted to you through rewriting, and you cannot claim any role other than Kotarou, the Protagonist(Vanilla Townie) with abilities to the extent of posting in the thread and voting.

You win when every threat to your faction has been eliminated. Best of luck.
Quote
If you want to discover the truth behind these recent events, you're going to need a better way of collecting information.
After all, if your rivalry with Inoue has taught you anything, it's that knowledge is power.
You steady your breath. Time slows to a crawl. You begin rewriting.
First, you focus on your eyes. You can't let your sight be hindered by distance or the environment.
Next, you focus on your ears. You will not miss out on vital information simply because you weren't able to hear it.

You have gained the ability to use enhanced eyes and ears to either watch OR track a player of your choice tonight.
You have lost your current vote.
You have lost the ability to vote for the remainder of the day.
Your lynch threshold has been lowered by ONE (1).

------

It's still not enough. You need more power. You can't help anyone like this.
Without the strength to protect your friends, you're nothing.
You close your eyes and concentrate. You begin rewriting.
You focus on your muscles. You need to be able to move faster, t-
Your thoughts are interrupted by a sharp pain in your right arm.
You look to see your aurora going berserk.
Instead of forming fine blades, the strands of aurora each move fluidly of their own accord.
Each strand of aurora ends in a vicious looking head, snapping at the air as if they were hungry.
Perhaps... You can use this.

You have gained the ability to kill a player of your choice tonight. You note that your aurora may feast upon your target until nothing remains.
You have lost your current vote.
You have lost the ability to vote for the remainder of the day.
Your lynch threshold has been lowered by ONE (1).

------

You're still not strong enough. You're still useless. You can't stop this conflict without making yourself stronger.
You ignore your body's warnings that you have reached your limit. Limits were designed to be surpassed.
You rewrite yourself. Your mind perceives and comprehends everything perfectly. Your body responds immediately to your every thought.
Time slows and yet you move with haste. This is true power.
However, you regret. You have crossed a boundary not meant for mere mortals.
You continue to rewrite. You have no means of stopping.
Soon, your very existence will be rewritten to have never occurred.
What a pity. What wasted potential.

You have gained the ability to talk in the graveyard here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/webZjZ8gLAceQ).
You have lost the ability to post in thread.



Bardiche
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kotori.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotori, the Druid(Druid).
You've been safeguarding the Key for the longest time and you're absolutely sick of it.
A war for the Key? The very thought that someone would desire the Key makes you laugh.
The only reason you would want the Key is so that you could kill it yourself.
In fact, that's what you're setting out to do.

In order to enact your vendetta, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
  • The Key's Druid: You've been serving as the Key's guardian for over ten years now, and old ties are hard to break. This does, however, allow you to know that Kagari, the Key, is in the game. Since you were never affiliated with either of the secret organizations, any investigations performed on you will return the result that you are a threat to their faction.
  • The Druid's Lonely Path: As a druid, you are destined to distance yourself from others. You cannot trust anyone, lest they get close to you and betray you. As a result of this you are unable to tell anyone about the existence of Kagari or the Key. You are also unable to claim your role as anything other than Kotori, Gardening Prodigy(Vanilla Townie) with abilities to the extent of posting in the thread and voting.
  • The Search: You are one of the few people with the ability to see Kagari. Since you were charged with protecting Kagari, this was a necessary ability. However, now that you've decided to betray Kagari, this ability has other uses. Every night, you may target a player to check if they are Kagari. You may not use this ability once you have found Kagari.
  • The Hunt: You will get rid of the Key yourself, no matter what the cost. Every night, you may target a player to kill them. You may only use this ability once you have identified Kagari. You may not target any player other than Kagari with this ability. If you manage to kill Kagari, you will immediately win the game. Winning the game by killing Kagari will not end the game. You will continue to play the game once you have won, in hopes that you are able to win twice over. This does not apply if Kagari is lynched or killed by someone other than yourself.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated OR
You win if you personally kill Kagari.
You are able to win twice if you fulfil both of these conditions. Best of luck.



Affinity
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/nishikujo.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Nishikujo, Playful Teacher(Cop).
As the ever popular teacher, you devote your time and efforts to make sure that your students achieve all that they can.
Or, at least, that's what you do in your spare time.
In reality, you are a high ranking member of a secret organization tasked with the duty of locating the Key.
The Key is simply far too dangerous to be left alone.
Of course, there are those that hope to take control of the Key and use it for their own purposes. You will stop them.

In order to stop the terrorists trying to use the Key for their own benefit, you have the following abilities in addition to the ability to post in thread and vote:
  • Intelligence Report: Your organization controls many sources of information and you are not one to let such resources be wasted. On even nights (N2, N4, etc.), you may perform a background check on a player of your choosing to discover whether or not they are a threat to your faction.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



BT
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/esaka.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Esaka, Proprietor of Forest(Bodyguard).
Since running an antiques shop leaves you with a lot of free time, you've occupied yourself by becoming an expert on Kazamatsuri's local cuisine.
Or so you would like everyone to believe.
In reality, you're a retired member of a secret organization tasked with the duty of finding the Key.
You may have retired, but you still hold a lot of power within this organization, and you cannot simply sit back as the war for the Key breaks out once more.

As a hero of the past generation, you have the following abilities to aid you in trying to end the war in addition to the ability to the ability to post in thread and vote:
  • Retired Hero: Unfortunately, you're well past your prime and nowhere near as powerful as you once were. That doesn't mean that you're entirely useless though. You are more than willing to sacrifice yourself so that the future generations might stand a better chance. Every night, you can choose to protect a player of your choice. You will manage to prevent any and all attempts on this player's life that night, but you will be taking the blow in their stead.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



Zakeri
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/lucia.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Lucia, Humanity's Future(Vanilla Townie).
An ordinary class representative of an ordinary class at an ordinary high school.
You had a surprising amount of fun fulfilling that role.
Unfortunately, with the war for the Key breaking out, those fun days are nothing but a distant dream.
You will find the Key, putting an end to anyone that would try to stop you, if only to prevent yourself from being forced to become the future of humanity.

In order to remove everyone that would hinder your search, you have the ability to post in thread and vote.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



Validon98
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/shizuru.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Shizuru, Saury Enthusiast(Vanilla Townie).
You absolutely love saury, and believe that the world would be a better place if everyone shared your love of saury.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case, and there's even a war breaking out over the Key.
Wars are a sad, sad event.
And so, you're going to end the war the only way you know how, by destroying everyone on the other side.

In order to defeat your foes, you may utilize your abilities to post in thread and vote to their fullest extent.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



BigBangMeteor
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/imamiya.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Imamiya, Loiterer(Vanilla Townie).
Humanity fights over the stupidest things.
To be honest, you'd prefer to have no part in this war, but that simply isn't allowed.
As a being with a fair bit of power, ignoring a large scale conflict like this would simply be irresponsible.
And so you will fight. You will fight anyone that would try to prevent you from finding the Key.

To help you fight your foes, you may abuse your ability to post in thread and vote to your heart's content.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



SilentShaman
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/yoshino.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Yoshino, Self-proclaimed Delinquent(Vanilla Townie).
War? What's this war people are talking about?
All you know is that bad things have been happening to your friends recently and, as the Mad Wolf, you're going to do something about it.
You don't know what those idiots have managed to get themselves into, but you're sure that it's nothing that your strength can't overcome.

Unfortunately, you have little more than the ability to post in thread and vote to assist you in your endeavour to help your friends.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.



Serela
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/chibimoth.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Chibimoth, Unusual Dog(Vanilla Townie).
Mosu! Mosu!
You're a dog!
What kind of dog says "mosu" though?
Well, it doesn't matter!
Even if you are a dog, you're going to try your best!

As Chibimoth, you have several amazing powers at your disposal. But you're a dog. So all you can do is post in thread and vote.

You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.

-- SCUM --

Raikaria
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/akane.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Akane, Successor of the Holy Woman(Roleblocker).
You need to find the Key.
This is of utmost importance.
Absolutely nothing will prevent you from finding it.
You've even called in Chihaya and her strongest familiar to make sure that you can perform this task.
However, as expected, there are people trying to stop you from finding the Key.
You will simply kill them using whatever means you have at your disposal.

In order to eliminate everyone that would hinder your search for the Key, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
  • A Familiar Bond: You are working with Chihaya in order to remove anyone that would try to stop you from finding the Key. The two of you may converse with each other in private through the use of communication familiars at any time here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/LaCky3H2DyRd).
  • Influence of the Holy Woman: As the successor of the Holy Woman, you hold a near infinite amount of power and influence in your hands. Every night, you may use this power and influence to have somebody of your choice removed from the game. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Chihaya has already sent Sakuya to kill somebody.
  • Influence of a Spoiled Brat: You have so many whims and fancies that need to be attended to and you loathe the thought that you would have to fulfil these wants yourself. Therefore, on odd nights (N1, N3, etc.), you may select somebody of your choosing to perform menial tasks and chores for you. This will distract the person from being able to perform any other actions that night, with you being the handful that you are. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.

You win when any threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening. Best of luck.



I have no name
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/chihaya.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Chihaya, Owner of the Strongest Familiar(Jack of all Trades).
A low ranking member of a secret organization waging a war in the shadows.
That's what you are, have been, and always will be.
You aren't entirely sure what this entire war is about, you just do what you're told.
And you've been told to get rid of anyone that would stop you from gaining control of the Key.
Fortunately, you're entitled to quite a few benefits that most people in your organization can only dream of due to the fact that you control Sakuya - the strongest familiar.
It's a pity that they can't provide what you want most though: Friends.

To assist you in searching for the Key, you have the following abilities in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
  • A Familiar Bond: You are working with Akane in order to remove anyone that would try to stop you from finding the Key. The two of you may converse with each other in private through the use of communication familiars at any time here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/LaCky3H2DyRd).
  • The Strongest Familiar: Sakuya is without peer, an indomitable force. Every night, you may send Sakuya to kill somebody of your choice. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Akane uses her influence to remove somebody from the game.
  • Sakuya's Aggression: Sakuya is the strongest, there are very few beings that are able to match Sakuya's strength. During the night, you may send Sakuya to kill someone of your choice. You will be providing Sakuya with additional power so that he can unleash his true abilities and, as a result, nobody will be able to prevent this kill from occurring. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities. You may not use this ability if Akane uses her influence to remove somebody from the game.
  • Sakuya's Protection: Sakuya is the strongest, and his defensive power is unrivalled. During the night, you may send Sakuya to protect someone of your choice. This will prevent any and all attempts to kill this person during the night to fail. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
  • Sakuya's Intimidation: Sakuya is quite capable of giving off an oppressive aura. During the night, you can order Sakuya to begin watching someone. Sakuya will continue to watch this person for the remainder of the night and following day. This will cause the person Sakuya is watching to become more cautious and will limit their speech to a maximum of ONE(1) post with content every six hours. The target may not reveal that they are under a posting restriction. These posts may not be formatted in any way. Additional posts to vote and unvote may be made, provided that they contain no other content whatsoever. Breaking this post restriction will cause Sakuya to kill the person he is watching at the end of the day. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.
  • Sakuya's Investigation: Sakuya is rather adept at gathering information. During the night, you may send Sakuya to investigate someone of your choice. Sakuya will report back to you at the end of the night with details about that person's role. You note that, as it is Sakuya performing this action instead of you, you will not return a result to any trackers or watchers that may be observing you. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability if you are using any of your other abilities.

You win when any threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening. Best of luck.

-- THIRD PARTY --

huh what
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kagari.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kagari, the Key(Survivor).
There's a war going on in Kazamatsuri surrounding you and whether or not you will bring about salvation.
But you don't really care about that.
Haven't these people realized that it's already much too late for salvation?
You simply wish to fulfil your duty: to look for good memories.
You also wonder where Kotarou is. He seemed special to you...

As the Key, you've been blessed by the Earth with multiple powers in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote. They are as follows:
  • Consciousness of the Earth: As the physical manifestation of the Earth, you need a way to safely gather your information. To do this, you have a self defence mechanism in the form of being beyond the comprehension of most humans. They can certainly see you, but their brains are unable to register your presence. As a result, most actions performed against you will fail. There may be some people who are still able to see you.
  • Kotarou: You need to find Kotarou, he promised to help you search for good memories. Every night, you may check whether or not a player is Kotarou. If you do find happen to Kotarou, you will recruit him immediately to join you in searching for good memories. If the game reaches LYLO, you will no longer have the time to search for Kotarou every night as you must begin compiling the knowledge you've accumulated to determine whether or not you will have to bring about salvation.

You win if you are still alive when any other faction achieves their win condition. You are not a threat to any other faction. Best of luck.



Shadoweh
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kotarou.jpg)
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Welcome, <playername>, to Rewrite Mafia!
You are Kotarou, Servant of the Key(Survivor).
You were approached during the night by a strange girl going by the name of Kagari.
As you tried to figure out who she was, she revealed that she knew quite a lot about you.
You began rewriting yourself to find out why Kagari seemed familiar to you, and as you reached your very core, you discovered your memories of the time you spent on the moon.
Now, nothing else matters but Kagari. You will find good memories for her, you will show her that humanity is something that she can believe in.

To help Kagari, you will dedicate your very being to her. As such, you may use the following abilities to assist Kagari in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
  • The Original: You are Kotarou Tennouji. The very first Kotarou Tennouji. The core of Kotarou Tennouji. The Kotarou Tennouji that exists outside of the realm of others. As such, any negative effects that you may have incurred from your alternative selves rewriting have been removed. At the same time, you have also lost any additional abilties that your alternate selves may have gained from rewriting.
  • A Good Memory: Helping Kagari find a good memory takes priority over everything else, including yourself. After all, if salvation occurs, then everything humanity has accomplished until now will have been for naught. And, more importantly, it would be rather sad for Kagari. If, at any point during the game, a situation arises where Kagari is in danger of being killed you will gladly sacrifice your own life to protect hers.

You win if Kagari is still alive when any other faction achieves their win condition. You are not a threat to any other faction. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 03:21:44 AM
Mod QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/xykchdVPmSV)
Scum QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LaCky3H2DyRd)
ITP QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/3KzzxnFNd3e)
Graveyard QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/webZjZ8gLAceQ)

-- Night 1 --
Shadoweh(Track/Watch) - Watches BBM, sees hw targeting him
Bardiche(Druid) - Checks huh what, finds Kagari
BT(Bodyguard) - Protects Bardiche
IHNN(JoaT) - Restricts Serela
Raikaria(Roleblocker) - Kills Zakeri
huh what(Key) - Checks BBM, does not find Kotarou

-- Night 2 --
Shadoweh(Janitor Vig) - Kills Bardiche, transformed into survivor, killed by Bardiche
Bardiche(Druid) - Hunts hw, kills Shadoweh, killed by Shadoweh
Affinity(Cop) - Cops Raikaria, returns threat to your faction result
BT(Bodyguard) - Protects Shadoweh, fails since Shadoweh is already committing suicide to protect hw
Raikaria(Roleblocker) - Kills Bardiche, action fails as Bardiche is already dead
huh what(Key) - Checks Shadoweh, recruits Kotarou into survivor faction, redirects Bardiche's kill to Shadoweh
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:22:21 AM
Fuck yes I won! I am the best townie.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:22:27 AM
wait
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 3)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:23:52 AM
Props to Raikaria, I didn't think he was self-aware enough to imitate his derptown play as scum. Live and learn I guess. Even without that I don't think I would have lynched him over Affinity and Bard based on connections, didn't think the hammer threats would have been made by scum. Good thing power roles exist.

Also sorry Shadoweh I completely misunderstood how our roles worked :<
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:24:29 AM
huh what - Kagari, the Key(Survivor) has won the game!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/kagari.jpg)
lol is that really what i look like btw. worst character design i've seen
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 03:27:33 AM
[20:47] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SURVIVE
[20:47] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> YOU HAD ONE JOB
[20:48] <Shadoweh> I was turned third party that night
[20:48] <Shadoweh> I literally didn't survive more then an instant as a survivor. I'm trying to set new records
[20:48] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> Wait what
[20:48] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> Huh.
[20:49] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> Must have been a side effect of Prims' role
[20:49] <Shadoweh> It was
[20:49] <Shadoweh> My Town role was even worse, by the end of Day 2 I had a double-hated modifier. If they had only voted me, I would have taken 3 votes to lynch
[20:49] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> :V
[20:49] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> So what this means
[20:50] <Shadoweh> Also I was the one eating my own vote
[20:50] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> Is that you started the game as a detriment
[20:50] <Shadoweh> Yes!
[20:50] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> And by the time your job was switched, you already couldn't do it
[20:50] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> You are the worst Mafia player ever
[20:50] <Toyosatomimi-no-Miko> Congratulations
[20:50] <Shadoweh> ;_;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Serela on May 29, 2013, 03:29:41 AM
graveyard http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/webZjZ8gLAceQ
 my private qt http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/vSg8zXgTK5kgf
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:30:42 AM
oh wait Shadoweh is considered to have won anyway according to the edited post, and didn't start the game as survivor, so I was actually right on all accounts. cool stuff \o/
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 29, 2013, 03:32:48 AM
oh yay

I'm not sure if I overestimated Raikaria or underestimated him.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:36:20 AM
Also ftr I legit thought IHNN was scum and was trying to joint with town because I thought it would be easier given 2 scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Serela on May 29, 2013, 03:37:21 AM
Yeah, and I was legit trying not to break my PR. ;_;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: I have no name on May 29, 2013, 03:38:33 AM
HW you always read me as scum though >_>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:41:09 AM
salty as fuck

Quote from: Pesco
Big plays, bigger throws.
was going to use this to justify my d2 claim if it caused me to lose
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: I have no name on May 29, 2013, 03:42:21 AM
Not salty, it's a true statement.  I can't remember the last time you had a townread on me.

Also I joined only because a modkill is the absolute worst thing that can happen, played (at least for how I've been playing recently) really well (this is the part where you say lolnope) and ended up getting lynched anyway.

Having fun>winning, I don't care that I ended up losing the game.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:45:27 AM
the only common denominator in your lynches is you

for the record though the post where i said "this is bad, you would know why if you weren't mafia" was me trolling because i was itp and that kind of stuff pisses scum off; i didn't actually have any issues with the post
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 29, 2013, 03:45:53 AM
Oh yeah, sorry for flavourhunting guys. It was lame (but lynching Shadoweh was still not really a smart idea).
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 03:50:36 AM
Having fun>winning, I don't care that I ended up losing the game.
i had fun lynching mafia :smug:
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on May 29, 2013, 04:03:29 AM
the only common denominator in your lynches is you

for the record though the post where i said "this is bad, you would know why if you weren't mafia" was me trolling because i was itp and that kind of stuff pisses scum off; i didn't actually have any issues with the post
To be fair it pisses town off too.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 04:05:31 AM
yeah but i was pretty confident on scum!ihnn and when you're itp you don't give a FUCK

i think i'm just going to start claiming d1 every time i roll harmless neutral. maybe it will convince mods to stop putting them in set-ups
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Schezo on May 29, 2013, 04:07:23 AM
No one ever wants to lynch a harmless neutral besides scum.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 04:19:02 AM
no one ever wants to include harmless neutrals in their set-ups besides scum.

i really wasn't a fan of this set-up. giving people roles you can't claim is bastard and not fun since it encourages outguessing people + the mod and the triangle of neutrals dynamic just doesn't work out in practice
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Dr Rawr on May 29, 2013, 04:22:30 AM
10/10 i really enjoyed reading this game for some reason
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 29, 2013, 04:23:22 AM
DON'T WORRY HUH WHAT I SAVED YOU FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL
HUH WHAT JESUS WILL LEAD US TO SALVATION! \o/
I thought my role was fun, but I'm weird like that and understand certain people lik the one who got the other role don't like that >_>

So Schezo how did it feel to be scum again!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 04:25:10 AM
Quote from: Pesco
Best scumhunting is the scumhunting that votes only town?
was literally voting scum while pesco made this post btw
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: ActionDan on May 29, 2013, 04:31:29 AM
that was a pretty good game.

I was amused by Bardiche this game
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Schezo on May 29, 2013, 05:05:10 AM
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So Schezo how did it feel to be scum again!
I didn't even get to use it because I had to replace out.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Affinity on May 29, 2013, 05:14:58 AM
Oh yay.  Wish I could learn to convince more people in general though. 

Was generally whiney this game due to not playing for a long time and being huh at the flash wagons heaped atop me.  At least it discouraged scum from having anything to do with me.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Affinity on May 29, 2013, 05:16:19 AM
Also I really liked the setup from role PMs alone, though everyone seems incredulous somehow.  Fits the subject matter well, and I might even try reading the VN.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 29, 2013, 05:35:54 AM
Also sorry to both Serela for making everything think he was an evil voteblocker, and IHNN for getting him lynched by making everyone think he was an evil voteblocker. Wait I'm not sorry about getting scum lynched AHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 06:12:04 AM
Wait I'm not sorry about getting scum lynched AHAHAHA!

:3

Anywhos, ya coulda' let me live until this time IRL. So I could make a 'YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE!' or at least a last request to kill Affinity before me because I'd been trying to get Affinity lynched all game. [Also Affinity you did play awful town this game. To the point people didn't believe your cop claim and wanted you lynched first]

TBH, I knew I was screwed as soon as Affinity claimed cop. Even if we did Lynch Affinity, it would have only taken us to LYLO. Although if I had targeted, I dunno, anyone but Bardiche D2, I still could have won the Affinity/me 1v1.

IDK how my scum play was, although weirdly enough every time I'm the scums I end up alone very quickly, and everyone seems to ABANDON SHIP when I'm scums too.

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Why is he talking about a roleblocker when no one has been roleblocked or claimed roleblocker >.>
I WONDER IF RAIKARIA IS A ROLEBLOCKER

Ironically I was a roleblocker, but couldn't have roleblocked. I just never thought STRONGMAN JANITOR VIG AND REDIRECTION SHENANIGANS. Which is more likely, a town roleblocker or that? @_@ Besides, by that point I knew it was over unless I implicated BT as a liar.

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Rewrite/akane.jpg)

NOW I KNOW WHO I ACTUALLY WAS.

Also bonus points to Dormio for mis-reading his own roles. Serela wasn't actually supposed to die until the end of D2. Isn't this the 2nd game in a row where the mod has derped? And Serela is next. I fear he will manage to screw up LYLO even as a mod.

Props to Raikaria, I didn't think he was self-aware enough to imitate his derptown play as scum. Live and learn I guess. Even without that I don't think I would have lynched him over Affinity and Bard based on connections, didn't think the hammer threats would have been made by scum. Good thing power roles exist.

Also sorry Shadoweh I completely misunderstood how our roles worked :<

I'm painfully self-aware Huh What. I even threw in a ~crazy conspiracy theory~TM

Of course, the fact I looked like I regressed from Villian Anonmafia probobly gave it away, but I, Dio, lived for but one day!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BT on May 29, 2013, 06:23:25 AM
Well fudge everything for being RIGHT about Raikaria, RIGHT about Affinity, RIGHT about Schezo (guuuuuut) and then wrong about IHNN.

Like I said, I overall Did Not Think it was a newbtown game because even those have something to compensate for them. Not in this one. Need to stick to my own guns. Sorry for running you up instead Bard ;-;

Also haha if I was supposed to figure out that killathon on my own. I wasn't but still.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 06:25:37 AM
Also I might start doing private QT's so people can actually see my train of thought in the postgame so they can understand where the hell I'm coming from.

I also just realised I may have had a shot if IHNN hadn't chosen to restrict Serela and restricted someone like Bard like I suggested. Because Serela wouldn't have kept to the restriction and the plan was to keep Serela alive for LYLO.

And by a chance I actually mean I have no idea what would have happened, especially if he restricted Validon or BBM.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BT on May 29, 2013, 06:29:17 AM
@ portraits

I didn't know my character was even male
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 06:29:50 AM
@ portraits

I didn't know my character was even male

I am also envious of your character's British-Gentleman appearance.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Affinity on May 29, 2013, 06:39:17 AM
awful town is a bit harsh.  I did try my best to push a case against you for what I saw as viable reasons and fulfill town's win condition, and I did press people when I saw something disagreeable.  Don't think that what other people intended to do with my copclaim should be indicative of the standard of my play, and I did explain myself as well as I could anyway when asked.  It's also probably a testament to how well you played (with regards to fooling people's system of meta-tells and whatnot). 

Perhaps I did not really convince anyone due to something (as usual) but my heart was in the right place.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 06:43:13 AM
I don't think Affinity was that bad, really. Maybe an off game compared to his usual town play. Or maybe I just have low standards because it's hard to look bad on MotK when you have people joining games and making 1-3 posts of vague one liners per phase.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 06:50:46 AM
Let's be honest, my view on Affinity is somewhat jaded from both my scum perspective and the fact he was bashing on me half the game.

It was certainly not one of your finer games. I treated you exactly as I would have treated you as town. Except maybe I'd have been a little less zealous about it. If I actually was town that game, I would have tried to lynch you pretty much most of that game for your play.

Also turns out I was pushing to get a cop mislynched most of the game, and almost succeeded. Ain't I a good scum.

===

Also thinking about it I guess the prospect of Scum!Raikaria is somewhat scary when people have issues telling my scum play from my town play.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 07:25:27 AM
well people having trouble reading you because they can't tell if you're crazy town or scum pretending to be crazy town is generally less "good play" and more "policy lynch"
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 07:40:01 AM
well people having trouble reading you because they can't tell if you're crazy town or scum pretending to be crazy town is generally less "good play" and more "policy lynch"

Except this is MotK town.

Crazy town is better than AFK town, so any 'Policy' lynch on me would come so late that odds are there would be legitimate cases by then.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 09:51:14 AM
Uh... so that happened. Okay then. Again, sorry Serela about bringing attention to the post restriction. I'm pretty sure I played awfully the whole time, but then again now I know why the only two votes on me were from IHNN and Rai. ^^;
Also, I'm a bit confused by all of the role-switching and everything, but whatever. I'll have to read the QTs later because I want to see them. Otherwise, good game everyone.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Vhaltz on May 29, 2013, 10:03:22 AM
I was reading this in company and it was a pretty fun game to follow. She noticed this scumslip halfway through D2:

Or someone who thinks I'm town is voteblocking someone who was voting me to keep their townread alive, did you think of that?Meta.  Meta that you know I don't have, and that you know I'm not going to trust you on.

We knew what it was supposed to mean, it's just that the wording most likely came from scum perspective.

She had also called Raikaria being scum all the way back in D1 and was pretty much right about everything in the game without changing opinion much at all, including not really trusting Huhwhat, who could have jointed with scum if there was a mislynch in D3. I was sheeping HW because he was even townier than BT when ignoring role shenanigans.

Rai was hard defending IHNN late D2, and we were surprised nobody took notice of it and continued to shrug him off as obstinate derptown. I personally wasn't sure he'd flip scum or it was going to be one of Affinity/BT until Affinity's cop claim happened. I should've probably written down our opinions on a QT so that this doesn't all seem like hindsight, I've just been away from mafia so long it didn't cross my mind.

tl;dr It's just been really fun to read. Would've been pretty awesome to play this game.

We might join some future game in summer as hydra (IRL, but only one of us would post) if mafia is still active and being a hydra is not a big problem.


Also Dormio, wasn't Serela supposed to die at the end of the day according to the role PMs?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 10:28:14 AM
Two other questions: One, how did Shadoweh voteblock herself twice? Two, where the hell did all of these irc logs come from?
EDIT: *reads Scum QT*
"I couldn't BS a reason for Validon on you though :/"
...SCREW YOU TOO GUYS. :I
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
Rai was hard defending IHNN late D2, and we were surprised nobody took notice of it and continued to shrug him off as obstinate derptown. I personally wasn't sure he'd flip scum or it was going to be one of Affinity/BT until Affinity's cop claim happened. I should've probably written down our opinions on a QT so that this doesn't all seem like hindsight, I've just been away from mafia so long it didn't cross my mind.

Really? My intention was anything except that. I wrote down what IHNN had did 'wrong', which I didn't think was significant, and attempted to make the town follow other 'worse' cases. I never actually 'defended' IHNN, I just attempted to create a more appatising target for town.

My idea was simply to say 'IHNN's bad, but I think this is worse'. Also my point about trusting an ITP was correct, you shouldn't trust 3rd parties, however Huh What was telling the truth.

Then IHNN claimed and said 'Serela'. At which point I just knew there was no point and turned around and joined the wagon.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 29, 2013, 10:54:37 AM
Also Dormio, wasn't Serela supposed to die at the end of the day according to the role PMs?
Mistake on my part but it didn't matter too much so whatever.

how did Shadoweh voteblock herself twice?
By rewriting herself twice?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Vhaltz on May 29, 2013, 11:17:13 AM
Really? My intention was anything except that. I wrote down what IHNN had did 'wrong', which I didn't think was significant, and attempted to make the town follow other 'worse' cases. I never actually 'defended' IHNN, I just attempted to create a more appatising target for town.

My idea was simply to say 'IHNN's bad, but I think this is worse'. Also my point about trusting an ITP was correct, you shouldn't trust 3rd parties, however Huh What was telling the truth.

I meant the whole thing about IHNN -not being there- in the last few hours.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 29, 2013, 11:32:43 AM
Two other questions: One, how did Shadoweh voteblock herself twice? Two, where the hell did all of these irc logs come from?
EDIT: *reads Scum QT*
"I couldn't BS a reason for Validon on you though :/"
...SCREW YOU TOO GUYS. :I
My role let me voteblock myself to get role powers, with the cavaet I wasn't allowed to tell anyone I was voteblocking myself, or that I was anything but Vanilla Town.
The irc logs are likely coming from private queries, or from the #MotkTown channel on the irc server for shrinemaiden.

Also I hope you learned enough to not be quite as confused if you tried to play again. Mafia is a game, there's no need to take anything personally. We're all here to yell obscenities and have fun!

Vhaltz: If you hydra IRL no one can really stop you :V

Edit: My only regret is shooting Bardiche instead of Raikaria like I originally intended. However since I was contemplating shooting Affinity because everyone else thought he was scum, and Bard was trying to kill Jesus, I could have done worse!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 2)
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2013, 11:40:11 AM
I meant the whole thing about IHNN -not being there- in the last few hours.

Well, it was legitimate. The voteblock had nothing to do with IHNN. The whole voteblock thing was also another attempt to implicate someone else and make them worse than IHNN, while solve a mystery.

If you mean the part where HW asked him to claim and he didn't show, no, that was HW being silly, and I wasn't the only one to conk him over the head for it.

Edit: My only regret is shooting Bardiche instead of Raikaria like I originally intended. However since I was contemplating shooting Affinity because everyone else thought he was scum, and Bard was trying to kill Jesus, I could have done worse!

My mind-waves are evidently working.

But yeah, I came into this game with the intent 'play as if you were town, except you're not town.'. Which lead to me reverting back to ~hyperconfusedtownie~ status. Not my best game, but it is only my 2nd scum game, so, w/e.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Vhaltz on May 29, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
Vhaltz: If you hydra IRL no one can really stop you :V

I was commenting on that to find out what the general opinion on it would be, since I remember Bard and some others not being too keen on hydras at all. I can understand not liking them because it messes up the reads, but we'd be playing as hydra consistently and only one of us would be posting, so I hope that fixes the problem.

Playing separately has been troublesome before, and playing one at a time would means one gets to spend lots of time in mafia without being able to talk about it while the other gets to be bored. It wouldn't really work for us to play unless we did it as a hydra.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Conqueror on May 29, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Disclaimer: I've hydrad with people irl and not told anyone about it. (http://i.imgur.com/2F6NXJX.gif)
(only like once though, and I still posted like one person so no one noticed)
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Pesco on May 29, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
It was that time when Conq let ActionDan into his room.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
There is, sadly, nothing to be done about IRL hydras except quietly gnash one's teeth or simply not play in games with them. (The only person who can get away with fair IRL hydraing is Shadowert because her only hydra options are people that don't give nearly enough of a shit about Mafia to be a meaningful factor. <_<)

I suspect I will be doing the latter should Vhaltz actually sign up for a game.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Conqueror on May 29, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
It was that time when Conq let ActionDan into his room.
actually it was; i told him to make his own account afterwards :V
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 29, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
(The only person who can get away with fair IRL hydraing is Shadowert because her only hydra options are people that don't give nearly enough of a shit about Mafia to be a meaningful factor. <_<)
All of their hydra contributions are to stop posting in mafia anyways, one could argue I'm disadvantaged as a hydra ;_; I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: ActionDan on May 29, 2013, 02:20:50 PM
lol.

that was Darker than Black mafia right?
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Vhaltz on May 29, 2013, 02:41:27 PM
I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.

Yep, this is an issue =/

I also forgot to mention that she has been playing mafia with other people who were also new to the game, and not for very long. So yeah, this is kind of a big level jump she's making and the hydra probably won't be as significant as if I were to hydra with some other MotK player.
She also wanted to pop in and say hi but can't even post in RPG because she has never posted on the forum once despite having an account for a long time.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
I would think them playing as seperate players if they're close enough to look over each other's shoulders to be more of a problem actually, like Conq and his boyfriend.

I know full-well that this is also a problem. I had a game once long ago ruined by a town boyfriend confronting his scum girlfriend about her role in real life as soon as the game started and concluding she was scum based on her physical behavior in reaction.

The thing is, the solution then is that the real-life pair have to make a choice. It is easy to argue that forcing one of two people to sit out every game is unfair to those two people - and I do sympathize to a degree - but having an active hydra is unfair to the rest to the game, scum in particular. I don't think anyone that's hydra'd has ever really stopped to consider how incredibly powerful a second meta, a second set of eyes, and reduced accountability is. If it's used at all, it needs to be treated as a power role instead of an additional gimmick done as a lark.

She also wanted to pop in and say hi but can't even post in RPG because she has never posted on the forum once despite having an account for a long time.

Have her follow in the way of BBM. >_>
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on May 29, 2013, 02:58:26 PM
Oh, and something that hasn't been said yet, a big apology to SilentShaman for lynching her Day 1, surely it is the curse of the Youmu avatar. Fix by applying cute Remilia or Sakuya or pajama clad heros instead and please don't go away ;_;
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Serela on May 29, 2013, 03:07:56 PM
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I don't think anyone that's hydra'd has ever really stopped to consider how incredibly powerful a second meta, a second set of eyes, and reduced accountability is.
I realized I should stop hydraing because I always strongman my way through their opinions and force my own on anyway ;_;

It ends up just being "you're okay with this post I'm making, right?" ...as long as they're around within an hour of me making it
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Conqueror on May 29, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
I'd argue that the most powerful aspect of being in a hydra is the morale. You're not alone and you don't have to talk to yourself in endless circles! Second opinions are often wrong anyways.

Two players in a game conversing about game content outside the game thread is a breach of normal rules regardless of whether they're close or not so I don't see why that should affect anything? Just make ~*the game*~ a taboo subject while it's running like you do with all the other players. And don't accidentally peek at their role pm.

Have her follow in the way of BBM. >_>
Dormio, go send her that message you sent BBM.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 03:56:10 PM
I have no idea why people would want to talk about Mafia outside of the game thread anyway. I hate talking about it inside the game thread enough!
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Vhaltz on May 29, 2013, 04:10:06 PM
Putting on fa?ades both IRL and on the mafia game have been an issue in the only game we have played separately in the past regardless of not talking about the game, to the point where we agreed to not play against each other again. Potential problems can be dealt with to an extent, but they can still happen if we're careless, plus the stressing and unfamiliar atmosphere if we have to hide from each other to post in mafia, her being a pretty sensitive person. Playing against each other was a fun idea at first, but circumstances have proven that it's a bad, bad idea :(

If balance is going to be an issue, we tend to plan ahead of time, so we'd probably be able to let the mod know beforehand if we'll be joining the game just in case they consider they'd need to do some rebalancing and need some time for it. If we don't get to plan ahead I guess it's fine if we get stuck with particular roles to balance things out, but RNG is part of the fun as well.

We're relatively new players, too, we haven't played more than 6 games each, so we like discussing mafia. We had fun just discussing this game, but sitting out and discussing every game from the outside is bound to get boring at some point, specially considering that I don't think most games are as fun to read as this one was. Last one I can remember was IMP Mafia and that was probably because it was the first ongoing game I followed.

tl;dr I wouldn't request playing hydra knowing it's potential problems if there were alternatives :ohdear:


Anyway, I haven't been around for a while so I might've missed earlier games by SS and BBM, but I think all of the new faces played a pretty good game :D The only play I felt disappointed with was Raikaria's D1-midD2 when I thought he was derptown, and that made sense when he was scum.

Props to Affinity as well, I don't think he played as badly as everybody was assuming, he was just being painted as scum as soon as mid-D1 due to a single post and that thought stuck along for the rest of the game. His investigation was also decisive to finish the game in D3 and prevent a survivor/scum joint win :3
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on May 29, 2013, 07:03:56 PM
i wouldn't date somebody i played mafia with, not even serela
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Validon98 on May 29, 2013, 07:24:44 PM
My role let me voteblock myself to get role powers, with the cavaet I wasn't allowed to tell anyone I was voteblocking myself, or that I was anything but Vanilla Town.
The irc logs are likely coming from private queries, or from the #MotkTown channel on the irc server for shrinemaiden.

I figured the first out on my own anyways, but, uh, no one told me we had an IRC thing for Mafia games. =_=
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: Kilgamayan on May 29, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
The IRC log I pasted was just a private chat session. Nothing in the vein of "Official Mafia IRC Chatroom" or anything.
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: BT on May 29, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
<BT> an idea would be
<BT> irc mafia
<BT> talk as if you were actually on irc right now
<BT> actually that sounds horrible
<BT> maybe
Title: Re: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)
Post by: I have no name on May 29, 2013, 08:40:51 PM
<IHNN> /join #speedrunslive
<IHNN> Wait
<IHNN> Wrong server
<IHNN> Uhhh
<IHNN> !vote BT
IHNN has left #ircmafia