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Day 1 is usually slow because either:so what are you trying to say and why are you avoiding jokevoting
1) The fact that you posted on day 1 will incriminate you.
2) The fact that you didn't post on day 1 will incriminate you.
Conclusion: :V. Maybe you guys are different though.
In all seriousness, I can't apply math here because we don't know how many mafia there are. My normal approach is useless here! (http://xkcd.com/55/) I guess I'll just wait for now.
##Vote: Neo SerelaLast game you died before D2 without being lynched AND you were scum
If you believe I'm going to die before the dawn of day two, why do you insist it be by the town lynch instead of scum nightkill?
Also, the response to Zakeri's question was... interesting.In what way?
Ecthelninja:It's a jokevote okay, are you expecting actual reasoning >:Yes :<
In what way?
Because it might be ORDAINED BY GODtm? D:
Well if it's jokevotes I should just Take it easyTM.I'd still like to know why you took Serela's word for it that Zak might die by NK when you shouldn't know Serela's alignment.
##Vote NietzOH MY GOD U SUCK!!!1!
In several I can think of.Can you define that in more detail? Even if you don't think necessary.
Uhh not really. They're usually not well-founded, but they're not actually completely random. And if you believe the lynches are random, then why aren't you randomvoting to contribute? Even if RVS is incredibly stupid you aren't going to get it anywhere by saying "meh RVS is incredibly stupid" and not voting.Yes, you do, if you actually start some sort of well-reasoned discussion instead of voting. Could be about current random votes, could be about past games, could be about playstyle. But in general, not voting during RVS is not as useless as everyone likely to claim it is.
His vote on Serela seems like he's trying to get the heat for not voting off of him without responding directly to the other issues.Of course he's trying to get the heat off of him. You're pressuring him. Being scum is not the cause here - survival instinct is.
Ecthel - honestly, so far reads like just a noob.I blame not playing mafia in 8 months.
Uhhh, NeoSerela, do you really have to do things like that? It's a bit crazy of you to say, "Look! Due to these circumstances and the time of the weather, it's Zakeri!"
I think the way Serela answered implied scum-based logic.
And then you change your vote as soon as someone accuses you of something.Erm what. I never changed my vote.
Really?
People, it's a JOKEVOTE for godsakes. There isn't ANY logic in it. That's, uh, kind of what people do at the very very start of D1, you know?It's a jokevote until Kitten4u writes it down as a real vote~
Erm what. I never changed my vote.
I'd like clarification from Alice on something from his last post. Just which statement were you talking about when you said that Scum-Neo would gain no advantage by making "such a statement"?Pressing the Zakeri-dies-early point. The first post was just a jokevote, but his subsequent posts seem to indicate a case of nothing more than just him being a noob/derp than an actual Scummy attack on someone, it seems too painfully obvious and blatant, not to mention not something that seems like it'd get much traction as a wagon, and thus I'm slightly perplexed as to why some people (Zakeri, possibly others) are considering what he said as a potential Scumtell.
Lots of newbie derp so far. Ecthel seems oddly slow to catch on to the idea of random voting. Choja's even slower. That's only scummy in the sense that bad play is always scummy.I'm inept at a lot of things. I also ruin a lot of things.
@Choja: what in the name of Monosodium Glutamate are you talking about? NeoSerela never switched votes, and I can't see K4U accidentally misattributing NeoSerela's vote in his post. Read the thread, please, I don't want to be dealing with another wrathie on my hands.I would like to say that I was absolutely delirious at that time and wasn't actually reading Kitten4u's report right. Or at all. Whoops.
Also, I checked the edit history of that post and the only thing you added in in the edit was the "/Confirmed", and seeing as you're new to mafia and this is still ED1 I am willing to ignore that (who knows that the mods will, though), but please do not edit your posts from now on, EBWOP instead, please (i.e. make corrections in a subsequent poast (whee multi-poast drifting)).I was actually expecting a modkill because of the above note of being incredibly delirious and forgetting that that is a really bad idea.
He directly avoided answering the question, and continued to push for the lynch.Continued to push for the lynch? Oh yes, because a complete jokevote is actually going to go ANYWHERE near a lynch, at all.
An obvious answer to the question would be because I was scum, and therefore can't or won't be targeted by the scumkill.For :V reasons, I'd like to mention how last game you were scum, wasn't the D1 lynch, and STILL died on N1 :3
And while I'm speaking of people lacking votes, Alice has posted some of the most words, yet there isn't a vote within any of those, either.Eh, it's not like Alice is suspect of anything for not voting, maybe she just likes to edge close to that 300 word limit. Nothing wrong there.
NeoSerela (2): Zakeri, Ecthel, Nat TeaForgot to remove Choja's vote, there >:
Fairly sure Choja's Serpvote is "let's have random ED1 votes" but that's for him to answer, of course.You've hit it fairly on the mark.
It's not like anyone does get killed on D1 (and if they did, it would be a horribly ridiculous stroke of bad luck).This brings up an important point.
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##Vote huh waht
His actions towards on Serela and Ecthel look like trying to capitalize on newbie mistakes to look like scumhunting. It's not strongly scummy, but it's a clasicall scum trick for D1.
But Choja's unexplained OMGUS on Serp also looks pretty bad. Was that supposed to be a jokevote?
headcrabs: Are you seriously saying you didn't vote ED1 because scum can easily justify ED1 votes? NeoSerela's vote on headcrabs is bugging me because he went from "not enough content for more than just suspicions" to "he's the worst, 36 hours without posting". Ecthel could use a post.Let me bring up something else I said in that post; "nor is the lack of it significant enough to compensate this early on in the game.".
Also, the response to Zakeri's question was... interesting.
I have a few thoughts now that Ive read everything, but I'll keep them to myself until d2 since headcrabs will most like be lynched anyways.
When referring to another player's post, do not use post number, use the vote count title as a point of reference. Linking the post is advised according to the example below.I totally missed this. Is this just a reccomendation or an actual hard rule?
His jump to Crabs in particular seems like he's going "oh I guess Zak wasn't that great of an idea, well I already mentioned Crabs so wheee wagons"I'm still not loving Zak for going after me ruthlessly over just my response to a jokevote question. But it seemed more important to prevent a nolynch from happening at the moment, and still kind of is; about an hour left till deadline.
Kittenninja:Woah wait only 15 minutes left? Holy crap, I though we had nearly an hour left.Shit you're right. Math fail on my part. x: Sorry about that.
I'm still puzzled on how headcrabs managed to get lynched by a landslide.
Haven't made up my mind about Ecthel/Serela yet, so random vote for now.Random Vote outside of RVS = garbage vote. Your Choja vote was it.
Oh yeah, Ecthel needs to post things that aren't excuses for not saying anything.Well you're in luck because I just got back!
The vote on Kefit was also kind of weird since we knew he'd be out.I missed the memo okay ;~;
Then he goes over to headcrabs basically for not being there and when his lynch is pretty much set he goes "he's not so bad actually, too bad we have to lynch him now. By the way, Zak looks bad."I said he doesn't look AS bad. But he still looked bad. Zak was only mentioned in the post because I was accused of being scum!Serela dropping Zak for headcrabs because "oh this isn't getting any votes".
Choja has posted a lot of times without actually saying much. And claiming puzzlement over headcrabs' wagon whe he ended the day with a jokevote on Serp is ironical to say the least.It was just a jokevote, really! I didn't think Serp's vote would jump high enough to land headcrabs in a lynching. I mean, my confusion lies in the fact where in Day 1 Rabbit, it was just two people after headcrabs: Serp's jokevote and MSB's vote reasoning from headcrabs's single confirm post.
I wasn't voting because D1 random voting and bandwagoning is the easiest point in the game for scum to justify random votes on town. i don't like it.
Currently also suspecting MSB, but I'm not confident in that case yet.I like how you don't say why.
Then why'd you vote headcrabs, if the reason was "not good"?Because, while not being good, the reasons to vote him were sufficient for D1, I stated that at that point as well.
Sakana's starting to look pretty jumpy to me.As I suppose the 'jumpy' refers the the MSB vote, I mainly wanted to get a reaction from him while at the same time reducing the chances of a sudden Neo quicklynch before MSB could answer.
Why scum would do this on such an easylooking lynch, I have no idea.You mean you have no idea why scum would avoid quicklynching town-you in front of everyone? Either this is some incredible chutzpah or some genuine derptown.
You mean you have no idea why scum would avoid quicklynching town-you in front of everyone? Either this is some incredible chutzpah or some genuine derptown.I meant the part where he criticizes the wagon on me, not where he doesn't hammer me. Now that I think about it, you're completely right, the hammer part would be ridiculously stupid.
On the topic of people we forgot were playing the game, whoa, Choja's playing? I also don't recall him saying anything useful. =V His last post was more than 24 hours ago; Pesco, did you prod him?
Not sure what to think of Choja. Starting to think his lurking might be the result of scumbuddies telling him to lay low after his derp-action at the start, but there's not enough material from him to really make a case out of that.Sorry about that. Of course, I think it's because MSB is right and I don't really say anything useful, nor do I have any idea to say anything useful right now, even with all the discussion going on.
Choja, if you agree with Sodium then show it with a vote.I already did vote for NeoSerela, but I'm starting to feel like that was a bit hasty of me.
Okay, that situation is looking horrible.
This is a bit of a dilemma.Potential scum boasting is noted.
if whoever has been putting out these second NKs is Town, now is the time to own up.Hello.
Hello.Fullclaim. Now.
Ask me any questions.
...yeah, protip, if you aren't town then YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT.I do know that, but even if I just gave a small description of my role without that bit, Rou would have figured out my true role anyways.
Now very sold on Sakana/Alice, because Choja's hurrr play makes perfect sense for a third-party.
Alice -Clearly you missed my giant post with several cases and a vote in it? I haven't been posting as much as I should have, but I certainly have not been reporter'ing.
Strangely, the only things I've seen from you are observations and of nothing else. Maybe a clever ruse or just a bystander?
Kefit -Now, while NEETz flipping Town does not imply Scum-Kefit, I'm somewhat puzzled by how Kefit swaying you to vote NEETz implies Town-Kefit if NEETz did not flip Town.
You're like Alice, rather precise. I do not suspect you since your opinion did sway me to voting Nietz in the first place.
a post of 'everyone sucks' doesn't do anything productive. I got called out for it in Haruhi D2, and guess what? I was scum that game.Oh, that was yet another one of the things I used as evidence on scum!huhwhat last game :D
Also DEAD TOWN ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT WHY ARE YOU ARGUING THIS.I'm not arguing it, where do you get this from?
Since Rou hasn't really discussed any cases besides the one on me, the only way to prove my case would be for me to die, which makes it extremely weak.No offense, but this is the worst logic I have ever seen in a mafia game. Of COURSE I can't prove my case conclusively while you're still alive, because if that was possible the game would be incredibly dull. You can't do the same conclusively to me either, so does that make your case extremely weak as well?
You guys had Sakana nailed as scum for 3 days and didn't lynch.YOU THINK I DIDN'T TRY? >:<
...*blinks*:?
Nice hit there, Choja! Although I think people would have just said to not NK anyone, but it looks like it worked out pretty well!
I think this may be our first SK win ever. And from an SK who claimed PUBLICALLY.At the time Natty claimed, there was essentially no way for Town to win (particularly because he was NK-immune).
So yeah, we had a BP and a PGO against a Godfather/Rolecop combo and an SK. Sorta imba. In fact, this setup was a piece of shi-ohhh, I see what you did there. :VIt wasn't that bad. Town could have used a Doctor though.
Yeah, this game was definitely not balanced. Town basically lost if it didn't hit a scum/SK with the first two lynches....and all kills went through, hence the Doctor recommendation.
Screw balance, I wanted SK to win.What wonderful Godmothers we have here :3
Screw balance, I wanted SK to win. But via earning it instead of hurrdurr.*beats you*
Bad play is scummy, folks.This is why Alice told me you were the only person we could NK on night 1 :]
:?The post that Pesco edited with "stfu" was about me asking if I should shoot on a no lynch day.
Assuming the endgame being Me+Alice+Choja means scum would win, I basically lost as soon as I convinced Alice to rolecop Sakana. Which he probably would have done anyway (the other choice was testing Choja's claim), so... I guess I lost when Alice failed to be here for hammering Sakana.But if Alice lynched Sakana, it would be a scumwin, wouldn't it?
Screw balance, I wanted SK to win. But via earning it instead of hurrdurr.You're just saying that because of the arguement with the role PM:
Also did I really die just because Choja decided he didn't like me?I thought you were a wagon jumper, honest!
But if Alice lynched Sakana, it would be a scumwin, wouldn't it?...that's the point, me and Alice were scum! D:
He fumbled around with his vote, putting it on lurkers on day one, while said lurker had an excuse (posted before the game no less.)I'd like to note that I probably would have done that even if I was town, since it was something that Baity did to me last game on D1 too, AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE KEFIT THING ;_; We've been over that a few times already ):
I'd like to note that I probably would have done that even if I was townNo you wouldn't have, because then you would have actually been voting for people you thought were scum.
No you wouldn't have, because then you would have actually been voting for people you thought were scum.That logic doesn't really work, because the only difference between the two situations is I'm not going to try to get Alice lynched. Scumhunting when you're scum isn't really much different then scumhunting when you're town, because in both cases you just go after people who look scummy. Well, there may be more differences later on because of scum having nighttalk/plans, but at that point in the game, there isn't much.
No no little noobie. What you do as scum and town are very noticeable differences with the intention it gives off. You had absolutely no conviction in your votes as scum. As town, that little bit of genuine effort can be seen.This is the main reason I voted Serela late D1, it really felt to me that all his jumpvotes had very little substance and he was just trying to make up cases/votes to see how they'd work before switching around if they didn't. (This is pretty much what I felt like I was doing in mafioso mafia, but I guess I got away with it so whatever.) Also Serela, that thing you said about me voting you over a bandwagon at the end of the day being ~BAD PLAY~ came off like you were trying to discourage me from voting you without actually having to defend yourself, so that made you look worse too.
Then I died and couldn't do anything about it D2. Gdi Choja.Wow, Choja killing you actually stopped my lynch and helped him win.
I don't think me being alive would have guaranteed you getting lynched D2. There's still the problem of if I eventually found somebody more suspicious
I'd like to note that I probably would have done that even if I was town, since it was something that Baity did to me last game on D1 tooI should point out (again?) that what I did in that last game was pretty much nothing more than a means of stalling. Also, just because I did something as town, doesn't necessarily make it that all subsequent uses of "Action X" are good to use; this is bordering on metagaming and is something that I don't like.
And duh I'd never have done it if knew Kefit had already already said he wasn't going to be there.I would imagine that people would be paying attention specifically for these kinds of announcements. Guess I'm mistaken?
Lynching Alice at LyLoThis is something that I'm going to have to endorse.