you're hypothesizing is at best, hilariously stupid, and at worst, ridiculously scummy.
In case people haven't noticed HEY IT'S THE START OF DAY 1, SHITTY REASONS TO VOTE PEOPLE ARE GOOD REASONS BY THIS POINT BECAUSE IT BEATS VOTING RANDOMLY.
What are you going on about Gamzee? I'm not putting down jokevotes, I explained my reason. FPMH, best reason ever. Also, third on the wagon is always scum. Always. It's not a jokevote, it's a serious vote. Not like there was any better stuff to vote at the time. I think I have better stuff right now in my ninja though.
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Put a vote down or go down the gallows, I say, and I'd dedicate myself to the cause if I wasn't so sure that third on the wagon is always scum.
Not happy with Evangeline either. Quoting Shoe and voting him for the exact same reason he votes Stone (Ha ha, old chap! BAD LOGIC) doesn't make a compelling case. Start putting in the elbow grease, woman.
##UNVOTE: Miyako
##VOTE: Evangeline
Well, at least until you can explain what about his reasoning is so bad that he must be voted, as clearly his case and your case are similar: voting people for bad reasoning. This is terrible reasoning, just a step down from bad reasoning.
Not like there was any better stuff to vote at the time. I think I have better stuff right now in my ninja though.
Why the hell are you morons voting Stone Mason? He has at least a 75% chance of being town at this point! Seriously, it's a damn good thing Wacky brought me in. Without the power of the mathemagic lattice, you all would be lost, and lynching a likely innocent.
I'd say Mr. Stone has reached approximately 50% chance of being scum, assuming a starting chance of between 25 and 33%, as is normal for this game. Sailor Moon is probably 40ish%. Stone Mason, the good Stone, is at about a 20% chance given the early wagon. There are other percentages involved but this should give you basic idea of my probability based scumhunting.
Fantastic Shoe. I'd be right there with you if I wasn't busy lynching the incredibly scummy Miyako. Steven Stone is now my second candidate. GJ
He was an early wagon and reacted to it decently. Hence the 75% of being town.
... he reacted to it? You and I must be looking at different Stone Masons.fOr ThAt MaTtEr, WhY tHe MoThErFuCk WoUlD hE rEaCt PoOrLy To An EaRlY d1 WaGoN aNyWaY? iT wOuLd TaKe a FuCkIn MiRaClE fOr SoMeBoDy To GeT lYnChEd OvEr A rAnDoMvOtE wAgOn In ThE rVs.
If he's scummy, you should be lynching him. If he's scum you should be lynching him. You sound like you wouldn't lynch him for being one of these. Your vote switch remains a pathetic veil to actual scumhunting.
Sure, I'll roll up my sleeves for a bit. I voted for Shoe in part because I wanted to see how far she'd run with this weak argument against Stone.
i aM NoT VoTiNg yOu bEcAuSe yOu'rE VoTiNg sOmEbOdY FoR DeRp, I'M VoTiNg yOu bEcAuSe i fEeL LiKe yOu'rE TrYiNg tO PaInT DeRp aS ScUmMiNeSs fOr aN EaSy mIsLyNcH.OK, I'm going to have to ask you where exactly there's a line here. No-one is cruddy well going to say 'I think Steven is a moron, and for that reason alone I'm going to ##Vote: Steven'. This is all in all a pretty cruddy reason to jump on a rather cruddy wagon.
Admittedly, the stronger basis for my town read is that he's an early D1 wagon, which more often land on town by sheer probability. Given the probable bounds I've outlined, this is not inconsistent.It iS, hOwEvEr, CoMpLeTeLy mOtHeRfUcKiN RiDiCuLoUs. HaViNg a eD1 wAgOn lAnDiNg aLl uP On sOmEbOdY ShOuLd iN No wAy mAkE ThEm lOoK AnY BeTtEr, BeCaUsE ScUm cAn hAvE Ed1 WaGoNs lAnD On tHeM ToO. yEs, ScUm aRe a mInOrItY, bUt tHaT DoEsN'T MeAn a eD1 wAgOn cAn't lAnD On tHeM. iN FaCt tHeRe aRe a lOt oF ThInGs tHaT CaN HaPpEn oN Ed1 ThAt aRe mOrE LiKeLy tO HaPpEn tO A ToWnIe tHaN ScUm sInCe tOwNiEs oUtNuMbEr sCuM, bUt iT Is cOmPlEtElY IlLoGiCaL To aCtUaLlY ThInK BeTtEr oF SoMeBoDy bEcAuSe sOmEtHiNg lIkE ThAt hApPeNeD To tHeM BeCaUsE ChAnCe iS InCrEdIbLy mOtHeRfUcKiN ShItTy lOgIc.
Holy fuck you guys post a lot. If I had to read all these walls I'm not going to get any work done for PoSR.QFT
iT SeEmS LiKe yOu aRe tRyInG ToO HaRd tO PaInT ThIs aS RoLeFiShInG AnD As iF He wAs uSiNg iT To tRy tO StEeR ThE DiScUsSiOnS ToWaRdS MaSoNrY RaThEr tHaN JuSt pOiNt oUt hOw yOu aNd sToNe mAsOn hAd dEfEnDeD EaChOtHeR.
I voted for Shoe in part because I wanted to see how far she'd run with this weak argument against Stone.How does voting for Miss Shoe change whether or not she would stay on Mr. Stone? Could you outline your entire case on Miss Shoe please? I apologize if I am misunderstanding your words, but you make it sound like there is more to your case than that....
Yes, that puts [Miss McDowell] above Steven Stone's "I'm not going to vote because of unlikely reason x".....I do not see how any other interpretation could come from that. I would also like to hear Mr. StuffMan's answers to Miss Marimi's questions. I am also very....surprised that no one else besides Miss Marimi has said anything about Mr. StuffMan.
I'm going to put a question mark here: you say "in part"... what is the other "part" to voting Shoe?
I am unsure of what to think of Miss McDowell. How does voting for Miss Shoe change whether or not she would stay on Mr. Stone? Could you outline your entire case on Miss Shoe please? I apologize if I am misunderstanding your words, but you make it sound like there is more to your case than that....
HoW SaKi kEePs sAyInG ShE DoEsN'T LiKe sTeVe wHiLe aVoIdInG GeTtInG A FuCkIn vOtE On hIm aLl uP In hErE Is rUbBiNg mE ThE WrOnG WaY. mAn i cAn sEe iF ShE ThInGs eVaNgElInE Is wOrSe oR SoMe sHiT, bUt wHeN ShE OrIgInAlLy cAlLeD HiM OuT It sEeMeD LiKe sHe wAs jUgGlInG TwO PoTeNtIaL VoTiNg tArGeTs yEt cHoOsInG ThE OnE ShE CoUlD FoCuS On tO MoCk fPmH. iN fAcT iT eVeN sEeMs LiKe ShE's FoCuSiNg MoRe On StEvE, whHaT ThE MoThErFuCk iS Up wItH ThAt? It's wEiRd hOw sHe's dWeLlInG On sTeVe mOrE ThAn tHe pErSoN WhO ShE CuRrEnTlY HaS A VoTe oN.
##VOTE: Miyako Miyamura
Third on the bandwagon is always scum. Always. FPMH
Fantastic Shoe. I'd be right there with you if I wasn't busy lynching the incredibly scummy Miyako. Steven Stone is now my second candidate. GJ
In case people haven't noticed HEY IT'S THE START OF DAY 1, SHITTY REASONS TO VOTE PEOPLE ARE GOOD REASONS BY THIS POINT BECAUSE IT BEATS VOTING RANDOMLY.
What are you going on about Gamzee? I'm not putting down jokevotes, I explained my reason. FPMH, best reason ever. Also, third on the wagon is always scum. Always. It's not a jokevote, it's a serious vote. Not like there was any better stuff to vote at the time. I think I have better stuff right now in my ninja though.
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Put a vote down or go down the gallows, I say, and I'd dedicate myself to the cause if I wasn't so sure that third on the wagon is always scum.
Not happy with Evangeline either. Quoting Shoe and voting him for the exact same reason he votes Stone (Ha ha, old chap! BAD LOGIC) doesn't make a compelling case. Start putting in the elbow grease, woman.
##UNVOTE: Miyako
##VOTE: Evangeline
Well, at least until you can explain what about his reasoning is so bad that he must be voted, as clearly his case and your case are similar: voting people for bad reasoning. This is terrible reasoning, just a step down from bad reasoning.
Shoe's the one that raises my hackles. That abrasiveness, that stubbornness, she's playing it up way too much to be believable. I don't see any townie intent there, and I'm not going to believe that she's just making an ass of herself "to try and draw out scum." Grandstanding like that is never pro-town, and I don't believe that Shoe is enough of a newbie to think it is.
##Vote: Shoe
For now, want to pressure Gamzee. And thank you for stopping the alternating capitalization. Figured it would be one of dem ROT13 dealies.
##Gamzee Makara
Of all the lurkers, I'm willing to agree with Shannon that Sandor's SHUT UP ##VOTE: SHOE FOR BEING A JERK is the worst of the lot so far. We haven't heard a thing from Satoshi, though, so that's something to keep in mind.
Summary of what's wrong about Saki:
Claims a serious vote and tries to shake off responsibility of it.
Changes that vote for a weaker one.
No analysis to contribute as scumhunting, read her posts in isolation and it will be apparent.
The other part was that I felt like it.
What's worse, you're now telling Shoe to vote Gamgee? What's with all these people telling others how to vote? Why would you pressure Shoe on his absent vote on Gamgee?I think this is a completely valid thing to do, actually. Shoe is quite aggressively pursuing Gamzee, has many great points that more then justify a vote on him, yet... holds to a rather weak case on Steven? On that note, though, I'd really like Steven to come back and participate. He posted in RVS twice and disappeared; he hasn't even voted yet. This makes Shoe keeping the vote on a little less bad, I admit.
What are you doing trying to hide a vote in that?
Now, you know what the most reliable gauge of someone's D1 opinions are? Their vote. Holding back your vote is VERY scummy as it's hiding information about your intent.
So if I understand this right, you voted Shoe because you felt like it, and because you think/thought it would affect whether Shoe'd stay on Stone or not. Forgive me if I find those reasons to be really, really, really bad.
What's worse, you're now telling Shoe to vote Gamgee? What's with all these people telling others how to vote? Why would you pressure Shoe on his absent vote on Gamgee?
My quote from Roddy is not a misunderstanding. Why would he put Sandor's action in the full and proper notation for voting when he can just say the same without the notation?Because I like my aesthetics?
I probably shouldn't reveal this so early but the ruse was a distraction regarding Gamzee.
And I must've misunderstood. So you mean Miyako. I wasn't aware people thought "third on the bandwagon = scum" was to be applied in the full literal sense of the word, that voting third on any bandwagon is an immediate sign of scummitude that makes all else pale? Uh, if you honestly think I thought that, then sorry? That's all I can say.
Likewise, asking someone to stay consistent with their first post of the game, literally the first serious vote of the game, is just bleedin' nonsense. I'd like you to clarify why you spend so long looking for mistakes in semantics and misinterpretable statements rather than actual scummy posts.
I mean, by the same token. What you're doing is really, really confusing and hard to follow. Scum knows doing those kind of things will get them scrutiny, so maybe you're scum acting incredibly derp just hoping we'll pass it off as derptown. It's impossible to defend against those kind of allegations without flipping.
Sigh, y'know Shoe. One of the real issues I have with you is that I don't know exactly how much of my drive to vote for you is because I think you're a terrorist, and how much is just pure satisfaction at seeing you get hauled up and hung for your crap. Because hell knows, if anyone here deserves it, it's you. I just hope that God has mercy and you aren't Town.
who has decided their PRECIOUS emotions are far more important than finding the scum.OK, moggie, this is where you go too far. You appear to have forgotten that at the end of the day this is a game. It's not serious business, and it's not worth getting so aggravated about. I'm not saying this as an accusation of scuminess like some people are, but I will say this: tone it the crud down, and treat other players like human crudding beings rather than insisting that everyone is somehow inferior to you. It doesn't make you sound more convincing, it just harbours grudges.
Evangeline: gets on bandwagon with DERP, stays on it with DERPFOM.
If you were so worried about 'terrorists' focusing the game on two people, why did it take you so long to stop tunneling on me to look at others? Why did you wait til there was less than 12.5% of the day left to effectively try to start a new wagon? This disorganization is REALLY bugging me at this point.
McClane and Evengeline need to state their cases again in this latest development on Shoe, since Sandor's and Steven's seem to have melted down to nothing. As much as I do not like the insulting Shoe has done, I do not like how everyone's cases seem to be have a less-than-subtle emotional tinge on them, and I want this to be weeded out.
Evangeline has quite honestly just been shit stirring and changing events every time she posts something against me so she can be right. She's not trying to scumhunt, she's trying to get me to discredit myself. I realize I didn't say this before but I actually didn't realize it til now.
From your post, it sounds like you still think Shoe stands out the most, and don't put much faith into Gamzee being scum ("I can't say for a fact that you aren't scum")I don't like how you're trying to lead Steven into agreeing with you rather than letting him speak for himself. Something to look over D2, but I'm catching a hint of crud here.
How does my "clever ruse" further the goal of scum, may I ask? Why would I want to back off of the counterwagon that will likely save my life and instead go after someone who is harder to wagon? How does this help Shoe-scum? You're still not thinking this through.
We don't have a lot of time, but at this point I prefer a Sandor lynch, but will easily support a Gamzee lynch, since it would be foolish to completely ignore everything I dug up in favor of a gut feeling.
##Unvote, ##Vote Sandor
YAY! More Evangeline trying to discredit me. Folks, if you need any more evidence, that last post was pretty damn good :3c. It's quite enjoyable how she completely ignores the fact my vote came with at least 25% of the day left, whereas the later votes came with close to 10% of the day. I'd say this is quite a difference. So, your hypocrisy holds no water.
Oh, Evangeline ninja: Well, what's funny is, you haven't provided any examples of what you accuse me of yourself. Despite me asking for them earlier. So how about I propose a trade, my dear. You post yours and I'll post mine :3c. It'll take me a bit to collate it anyway.
We don't have a lot of time
However, I am not an unreasonable kitty. I want you to prove me wrong. Link me to EVERY allegation you level against me, rather, to every point where I've committed it. It's highly doubtful you even CAN, given your propensity towards bullshit, to use a vulgar term, but on the off chance you come up with something, I'd very much like to fire a few magic missiles at it and reveal it's inaccuracy explicitly.
Also, where's your vote on Gamzee anyway? Does the idea of being third on this bandwagon worry you if he flips town?
I didn't sign up for this 'vacation' to read all day long. Nor did I sign up to have to wade through this crap; Arguments about fluff are, themselves, fluff. As for the rest of what you all have to say, I'll get back to that tomorrow, when I have more time. Until then, let me give you all a helping hand:
- Stone Mason isn't any more or less likely to be scum just because a wagon was built on him, that's WIFOM.
- There is at least one scum from the Shoe train, and more than likely one from the Stone Mason train as well.
- Don't just look at what is being said--it is scum's MO to lie and deceive you into an early grave--look beyond that.
- Bad play (newb play) is a null tell, pure and simple. Anybody who tries to argue otherwise is just smokescreening, and likely scum, since seriously what could ever convince you that bad play is a tell in either direction.
There is more, but I am short on time. Until then, folks.
Your first lolwut (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg401922.html#msg401922) reasoning. Obviously the implication is you think that I'm scum for attacking Steven. But further, the implication is that my walls of text are scummy. You don't out right say this though, which is interesting. Either way, it's the first attempt in a long series of events to discredit me.
And Boom (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg402004.html#msg402004), subtle shift. It's no longer about the WoTs or speculation, it's now "How far will Shoe go with an early D1 case on Steven Stone, because early D1 cases have to have AIRTIGHT LOGIC >=[!" Then you basically attack me for some roleplay reasons, and try to draw reasoning for a town read out of me. That's actually a mild scumtell, since towntells are the kind of thing scum want to know so as to emulate them. But, mild, anyway.
Oh manz, it's another shift (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg402483.html#msg402483). Bear in mind this is around 12ish hours before deadline. The time for weak reasoning has passed. Your second paragraph is blatantly false, as I believe my "guns" turned to those jumping on my case later in the bandwagon for weak reasons.
Sailor Moon's vote feels the most out of place because of the schizophrenia ("Gamzee brings up good points but I think he's scum," without telling us the good points) .Hmm? I gave my reasoning by the end of that sentence. Here's a link to said post for convenience. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg402108.html#msg402108) Or is it just that you think my points sucked? Last I checked, bandwagoning and exaggerating something to make it look scummy were nice reasons for a D1 case ):
Right, the above also leaves Evangeline, but her bad reason stuck out like a sore thumb and, honestly, at this point I feel pressuring her on it won't return a lot of results. I would still like to query why Evangeline was so sure Shoe was scum, on D1, so we have a better picture of her vote reasons.
As for Sailor Moon, you said that Gamzee's points were good, but that he was exaggerating Shoe's points to make him look more scummy, which strikes me as a little off.
(strangely ignoring Sailor Moon, whose vote was further back)....I did not see anything wrong with Miss Moon's vote, so I saw no reason to mention it. I also didn't mention Mr. MacStew's for the same reason; it just would have been silly to bring them up in my opinion.
Shannon prodded me and Stone, but did not follow up at all on my responses.I would have followed up if I had finished that post, but alas the day ended before I could. I wanted to get my vote for Gamzee out there as quickly as possible since there was still a chance that Miss Shoe could have been lynched instead when I was typing it. While I cannot prove that I was typing my post before Miss Marimi posted, if you look at the timestamps, I posted a little more than one minute after Miss Marimi. My post was a little over 200 words, and typing 60 words in one minute is quite fast. That is the only proof I can offer.
Furthermore, Shannon defends Shoe and says that her scumhunting is satisfactory and trying her best, but never explains why, which strikes me as cheerleading to gain town credit.No one ever asked me what I liked, so I assumed it was self-explanatory. I apologize that this was unclear. When I was reading through her posts she looked genuinely interested in finding out more about peoples' alignments. That is, I felt like she was asking good questions, and her thoughts were coherent and easy to understand and respond to. She simply looked transparently town to me.
She votes Sandor at a critical moment where Gamzee and Shoe had 4 and 5 votes respectively, seemingly as some sort of distraction to town,I do not scum hunt like you. It is very possible to lynch scum on D1, so I do not believe that the purpose of D1 is to simply form some bandwagons on anyone. My vote goes on who I think is most likely to be scum (unless it's quite clear that I won't be getting my top pick, in which case I pick whichever case I like more), and that person was Mr. Clegane. That is all there is to it.
Voting solely for majority seems a little weird, especially if you believe both to be town. Perhaps it's just how games are played here.There is absolutely no reason NOT to have a majority. Again, Lady Moriya was benevolent in not requiring the majority, but having an incomplete bandwagon hurts wagon analysis later in the game. While it is quite clear from my words that I preferred a Mr. Makara lynch over a Miss Shoe lynch, it is much easier to see that opinion in a vote count than in a wall of text. Put simply, since it was clear that my choice was not going to be lynched I had to choose the next best option: picking which of the cases I like more. My vote is a weapon that I cannot afford to waste. My vote is also a way to remain transparent, so that people can easily analyze what I am saying.
And at first, that seemed accidental. But there's just so many words, while she's saying so little. It's a bunch of useless padding, filled with cheerleading, smokescreens, fluff to make her posts look better, etc.I am definitely wordy, and I apologize for that. However, I do not see that much fluff in my posts (beyond simple role-playing, but I try to keep that to a minimum). From my (obviously biased) perspective, my posts are full of opinions on people. If I am unsure of someone I make sure to question them so I can get a better read, but otherwise I thought I was quite clear. Are there any particular quotes (not posts, exact quotes please) that give you this impression because I do not understand where you are getting this impression from?
@Sailor Moon: While Mason's reasoning leaves much to be desired, how do you plan to counteract the fact he was the swing vote onto a scum wagon? While I know the tell can be faked, it's still dangerous to do.Yes, this is a pretty good point in his favor. It's just that at the same time, there's so much about him that's bad. I'd like to at least explore this avenue, to keep bases covered. On that note, my vote is more for pressure then a want to him lynched more then my other two suspects, but they already had votes and a list of people waiting for their response. Being the swing vote probably made him the lowest priority of my suspects.
Also, having read your (Shoe) posts, well. If you're uneasy about Gamzee, join me on Mason. I think the dirt on him is as hard as we're going to get today. Sangor, reads less like a lurker and more like a guy who hates day 1, so I'm really watching for what he does Day 2 to make up my mind on him.
Looks like I'm also going to have to back off. Reviewed the Gamzee case, and it seems to be "Last person on a weak case" which I just can't stand behind. So, it'll be going back to Shoe for me.
##Unvote: Mason, ##Vote: Shoe
I'd also like to question Mr. Stuffman's preoccupation with Ms. Marimi. Besides a facetious vote at the beginning of the day and minor (seemingly paranoid) remarks to others, the majority of his posts have been made in order to interrogate Ms. Marimi, which strikes me as odd.
There is absolutely no reason NOT to have a majority. Again, Lady Moriya was benevolent in not requiring the majority, but having an incomplete bandwagon hurts wagon analysis later in the game. While it is quite clear from my words that I preferred a Mr. Makara lynch over a Miss Shoe lynch, it is much easier to see that opinion in a vote count than in a wall of text. Put simply, since it was clear that my choice was not going to be lynched I had to choose the next best option: picking which of the cases I like more. My vote is a weapon that I cannot afford to waste. My vote is also a way to remain transparent, so that people can easily analyze what I am saying.
##Vote Shannon (L-2)I think you were looking at the wrong person in the votecount :V
After the post #93 votecount, scum would've realized that they were in danger of being lynched. The wagons were even at that point. The actions that catch my attention there are John McClane jumping off and then back on the Shoe wagon (not sure what to make of that), and Steven Stone jumping on and then back off, which looks to me like a real bandwagon-swinger.
BuT MaN I'M NoT FeElInG MuCh fUcKiN GoOdEr AbOuT ShOe, YoU KnOw? A LoT Of tHe pArTs oF ShOe's pOsTs aRe aLl sTrAiGhT Up wEiRd fUcKiN PaRaGrApHs oF In-cHaRaCtEr fLuFf tHaT DoN'T AcTuAlLy cOnTaIn MuCh cOnTeNt, HeR BlUrB On eVaNgElInE BaReLy aCtUaLlY GoT AnYtHiNg aCrOsS AsIdE FrOm a bUnCh oF RpG ShIt. AsIdE FrOm tHaT, jOhN McClAnE PrEtTy mUcH HiT ThE NaIl oN ThE FuCkIn hEaD HeRe, LyNcHiNg sOmEbOdY FoR BaD PlAy iS MoThErFuCkIn sTuPiD, jUsT BeCaUsE ThEy aReN'T AlL ChIlL WiTh tHeIr gAmE YeT DoEsN'T MeAn tHeY ArE AcTuAlLy sCuM
@ ShOe: BrO, i rEaLlY CaNt sEe nO FuCkIn sCuMmY InTeNt iN StEvE'S PoSt, JuSt nUlL TeLlS AlL Up aRoUnD. HiS BlUrB AbOuT MaSoNs aCtUaLlY SeEmS MoRe lIkE An oVeRcAuTiOuS NeWbIe tO Me tHaN ScUm aTtEmPtInG To rAiLrOaD Us iNtO OuTiNg oR DiScUsSiNg rOlEs, EvEn iF It wAs uNnEsSeCaRy aS MoThErFuCk.
- Bad play (newb play) is a null tell, pure and simple. Anybody who tries to argue otherwise is just smokescreening, and likely scum, since seriously what could ever convince you that bad play is a tell in either direction.
I'll just say this. You say six hours isn't enough time. I say I've seen a man stop a train at L-1, and get a man at no votes lynched in fifteen minutes. In rules that said that there would be no lynch if there wasn't majority lynch. And I also say that Stone Mason's jack all is the worst looking thing in the field right now. Though, if it doesn't stick, well, just like you, I've got a major train to fall back on that I just happen to agree with.
Important part bolded. Before it was ever 'outed' that Steven Stone was a new player, Gamzee already seemed to know and was incorporating it into his defense of Steven at the same time he hopped onto Shoe's bandwagon. Saying "aren't chill with their game yet" implies bad play due to inexperience from not having played much before, and more importantly Gamzee's knowledge of this inexperience. There's a difference between saying someone is derpy/bad player, and new.
However, I didn't bring it up because I didn't feel too confident about this, and I was hoping to pursue this today as Mr. MacStew was going to do. His death overnight came as a surprise, given that it was his words that I was focusing on.
I don't regard Gamzee outing Steven as a noob to be a valid basis for deriving him as scum. I was the first person to sign up for the game (submitted my role to Suwako months ago), the signups are in chronological order as far as I can tell. It ws blurted elsewhere that the person behind Steven would be playing and he had no idea of how to play. Basically a whole lot of people knew who he was and that he was new. You're really making some huge stretches to say that Steven's day end actions were because of Gamzee's coaching.
B.) voting with no reason will make them stand out, and people are more likely to look at baseless votes than votes with bad reasoning (just compare Mr. Mason and Mr. Clegane).
she seems to be the first one to point out Shoe's towniness and seems to be able to tell who has the account, despite them falling into a "MotK tradition of ultimately lynching derptownIf you know who Shoe is, suddenly her being so... well, Shoe, doesn't look anywhere near as terrible. And to be honest, it's kind of hard to not notice if you know about the person. (It's a character associated with said person, Shoe has referred to the wagon on herself multiple times with a word associated with her, and the playstyle is really really just, well, said person.) I'm not spelling it out because I'd assume that falls under the category of "Being Lame".
Definitely not too happy with Sailor Moon much either. Drops the vote on Mason, then talks about how Sandor-looks-bad-but-I-don't-want-to-lynch... OK, so who do you want to lynch right here, right now, given the power? I disagree that votes are everything, I want stated intent, too, so give it to us straight now.I think you majorly misread one of my posts? Huh? Mmk, here's the post I assume you're talking about. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=406198;topic=6785.180;num_replies=213) I never dropped the vote on Mason, and I never said I didn't want to lynch Sandor, so I assume you just made a big derp here or something. Simply said I could see him being town now, but I ALSO said I still find him scummiest.
What kind of scumtells would you consider to override good stuff in determining the scuminess of a person, Sailor Moon?Scum can make good points, too. But town is less likely to fabricate things, for example, Gamzee exaggerating Shoe's fluffiness to make it sound scummy. Jumping onto the growing Shoe wagon is also suspicious; not that town can't do it, but scum would be more motivated to, and said fluff exaggeration to make the bandwagon vote seem better is not something I'd see town even thinking they'd maybe should do when it's still only Page 2, ED1.
The fact that you did not elaborate it yesterday makes it seem as if that vote was a little forced.No one asked or expressed any discontent with my vote, and the wagon on Gamzee grew steadily, so I didn't see a need to elaborate further.
When two individuals defend each other from accusation, it is only possible for those two to be accomplices.
I am really not buying the Gamzee defending scum buddy Steven. It seems stretched. Gamzee is the first the to actually say that Steve is new, but the general concensus was "Steve is derp", Gamzee had already mentioned this earlier here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg401915.html#msg401915), it doesn't seem like an unreasoned conclusion. As for hypothesizing what scum Gamzee was trying to do, it reads more like: Let someone town mess up, attack town attacking the town who messed up. In that way scum is technically telling the truth which makes posting easier. Furthermore, you are changing your vote around a lot on D2. Considering Sandor has the same theory, I would like to hear how he arrived to the same conclusion.
.....I also do not like the wagon forming on Mr. Makara. He does not look good, but I find him unlikely to be a traitor. [...] [Gamzee] is absolutely right that he and Mr. McClaine have near identical reasoning and yet no one is calling out Mr. McClaine for his, which is unsettling.
Why is Mr. Makara worse than Mr. McClaine in this regard?
##Unvote: Shannon
##Vote: Steven Stone
##Unvote: Steven Stone
Wait... WAIT. Who's "Shawn Michaels" and why is he voting Sandor?
Sailor Moon, I also really really don't like the way that you call everything from Steven a nulltell just because he's a newb. Bad play is pretty much a nulltell from someone who doesn't know any better, but almost swinging a bandwagon away from flipped scum is not something you can dismiss as incidental just because the player doing it is new.He also unvoted shortly after. I don't understand why he'd do this if he was scum; first of all, it defeats the purpose of doing it in the first place, second of all it looks terrible, especially considering he didn't even use his vote afterwards! If he was scum, he'd have scumbuddies that I'd hope would tell him not to do something like that. Well, err, I guess I wouldn't hope they'd do that if it was beneficial for them, but you know what I mean :V
##Unvote: Shannon...is there really any point at all in doing that? And you aren't even using your vote, now. I can't think of any pro-town reason to not use your vote in this situation, especially considering there are people you find scummy, both of which are big wagons today. It just distances yourself from either lynch.
##Vote: Steven Stone
##Unvote: Steven Stone
Slightly prefer Steven lynch, so will get my vote on him to show I believe him scum, but will not keep it there since I would still like to keep Shannon in the running; don't believe Steven that much scummier than her.
As for Steven that is such a pot of hullzpullz that I still don't know what to think of it. I never knew he was a newbie and honestly can't find that information anywhere either... so unless someone talked about it offboard or in PM, I don't think it was said.Steven's player was talking about... well, being Steven, in #touhou-meido IRC multiple times. So several people not only know the player is new, but also exactly who it is. The mafia regulars present kinda talked him into signing up :3
Logic, however, has me leaning Steven Stone because his alignment pretty much determines Sailor Moon's, for me, as she's the last person who's willing to hold being nub in his defense, near as I can tell.Because nubs will be nubs and do nubby things. I do think the case on him is good, it's just that it's also so very possible that Steven is flailing around and scum managed to make a good case on him; because hey, newbies are often not that hard to make a nice looking case on! This one does look better then most cases on newbies, though, which is why I said I approve of the lynch in one of my earlier posts, in addition to the small added bonus of him being a possible liability during LyLo from his nubbiness even if he's town. It's just... I'd rather go after someone whose case can't also be explained by "lolnub", when there are such other cases present.
And you aren't even using your vote, now. I can't think of any pro-town reason to not use your vote in this situation, especially considering there are people you find scummy, both of which are big wagons today. It just distances yourself from either lynch.Sorry about this paragraph, memory lapse. Just like, strike it out in your minds.
For example, in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg404631.html#msg404631) she says a whole lot of opinions without actually saying who is scum.So, I don't say who I think is scum, except... err, how about that sentence at the end where I say the three people I think might be scum?
Lastly, she progresses from saying Shannon as potential scum team material, to thinking that "case on Steven is good but I like Mason more because noobplay is town" and finally, voting Steven even though she defended him more than Shannon.I didn't feel Shannon to be particularly scummy after her response post, as I said. My feelings on Steven were "This case isn't bad but could all just be derptown." I'd rather lynch someone I can't read then someone I don't feel to be scummy. And derptown is a liability in LyLo as I said, so it's not quite as bad as lynching some other townie.
She also has very little solid opinions, so despite her vote on Gamzee, I am willing to think her scum.*waffle waffle waffle* :D
It goes against her 'voting on bad reasoning is bad' which she used to implicate easy targets; she should vote herself in that caseExcept that's the best reason to vote someone ever, as Saki said. There is absolutely no reason someone should NOT vote the other person in this case, with the rare exception of knowing the other person is DEFINITELY town and will be MORE helpful to town (such as a power role), whixh is an extremely situational case.
3.) I find it inherently scummy to not be on one of the major wagons at the end of the day (with certain exceptions, such as not being there at the time). As I said above, a vote is also a way to be transparent. Even if you think both of the wagons are town, you must surely find one of them better than the other (whether that be for informational purposes, or whether you just find one person more likely to be scum than the other even if it's just by a small amount). Scum do not want their actions and opinions to be tracked easily, so I find it more likely that scum will be off both the wagons than town (these kinds of votes are usually referred to as "throwaway votes").
@Saki:
I'm okay with her voting Steven at deadline, but I'm just pointing out that it goes against her own words of what is right and wrong.
How Steven's wagon sprang up yesterday feels like scum having a hand in the pileup. Sandor placing the first vote when there were 32 hours remaining when nobody paid him much mind before for the day. Evangeline making a more detailed post calling him bad and drawing attention to his relation to Gamzee is what I think prompted people to start finding fault with him.
So, I don't say who I think is scum, except... err, how about that sentence at the end where I say the three people I think might be scum?
I didn't feel Shannon to be particularly scummy after her response post, as I said.
Even if you think both of the wagons are town, you must surely find one of them better than the other (whether that be for informational purposes
I believe they are also more likely to try to justify it with reasoning that makes little sense because A.) they have to make up reasons to vote for townies since they know they are not scum and B.) voting with no reason will make them stand out, and people are more likely to look at baseless votes than votes with bad reasoning (just compare Mr. Mason and Mr. Clegane).
Notice that you have said absolutely nothing specific about Shannon other than 'her response satisfies me" ; nothing in defending her, and nothing in pushing her as a lynch other than saying 'my case is good'. Yet you say more about Steven having the possibility of being town; my point is that you lynched someone you defended more than the other, and votes going against the reasoning for them is always scummy.Shannon's mostly been off my radar. I didn't really pay specific attention to her until you brought her up, and I didn't really pay much attention to her after reading her response post and thinking that she looked fine. Admittedly, I didn't read that much between the lines on her. I've been babysitting for three days and I can't concentrate on all this ;_; And on that note, I still haven't gotten around to the reread on her, but I'll try to get it done before I go to sleep.
SANDOR CLEGANE! EXPLAIN YOUR CHOICE OF TARGETS FOR LAST NIGHT! And don't try to pretend you targeted someone else. I know who you targeted, I want to know why.Care to share this information with the rest of us? And I find target being plural to be highly interesting, do you mean there was more then one?
For example, how much I feel about Mason fluctuates greatly because of his bad early play combined with being D1 swing vote towards scum.I forgot to elaborate more on this. It fluctuates for those reasons according to how my mood currently makes me interpret chances of him being scum despite that swing vote. Sometimes I'm going "Why am I even bothering to chase him now, he's the friggin swing vote towards scum lynch!" and sometimes I'm like "Dude, he looks so bad other then that, totally should keep chasing". The main reason my vote wasn't flipping everywhere was because I knew I'd likely fluctuate back and because I didn't want to be all CHANGE VOTE EVERY TEN SECONDS YEEAAAHHHHH
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Now then, little school girl, how about we sit down and enjoy some corvid? What is your reaction to Steve's flip of town, when you made such a string of hypotheticals?
##Vote: Evangeline
Has anyone here experienced, at any night, a sudden handicap to their role or a negative adjustment to your role?
I should not go around assuming my abilities be defunct or defective in some way, and Clegane already admitted that all I posted was accurate save for a detail of "compulsion". Not to mention, as I pointed out, he can redirect all of one person's actions to hit another person.
i.e. he could target me and fix my target to be Shannon, no matter what I do. Why did he risk swapping Sailor Moon and I? Wouldn't it have been infinitely convenient to redirect someone's powers to an intended target? If someone investigated Sailor Moon or me, their information would be inaccurate, but he would be unaware of whose information is inaccurate.
If he truly had Town's best interests at heart, he'd redirect a target's actions. No matter how you look at it, he's a considerate person by pre-empting the question, "Why did you bus drive at all?" with "It was compulsory". It indicates he knew the role was harmful to town, because normally when a tracker asks about your targets, you don't need to roleclaim COMPULSION at all.
I've got more to say about actual scumhunting today, but caught Saki's post just now and want to get this out.... he had every opportunity to release this information at night, same as with the first night when there was the Gamzee lynch and he had choice words to say about that. He's intentionally sitting in the background.
Scum can self-preserve, and so can townIn other words, you're calling me scummy for something that is a complete null tell. :|
I'm not hiding the fact that I can get an extra vote, unlike whoever's been handing out Silver Medals and Shawn Michaels.
I consider you responsible for the Steven counterwagon to Sandor.
Regarding the Silver Medal, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been passed to me regardless of what Sandor did. It wouldn't have been passed to me regardless of what anyone did really.Sounds like she's roleclaiming some kind of power that protects her from stuff. Neato.
D3 time.Sounds like she's roleclaiming some kind of power that protects her from stuff. Neato. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg409842.html#msg409842)
I'm surprised I haven't died, actually. Er rather, if McClane isn't scum I guess there can still be four. I'll work assuming four scum in mind then, unless someone has better maths for Town:Scum ratios. I've never been good at that.
@Steven: The problem with your posting is you contradict yourself every paragraph. Even when you vote, you're saying it in such a way that hedges your bets. I'd prefer you to take more solid stances and own your positions. It makes you seem less shifty. Only reason I'm not jumping on you for it is I read you as newb town at this time.
Shoe is obvtown, and Steven is derp. Sandor is lurky, I'd like to see more from him so I could get a better read.
I'd also like to hear Steven Stone's thoughts of the previous day and everything up to here so we can at least take him into consideration. Honestly all he is to me right now is a bunch of newbie mistakes, and I want to see that change into "more analysis", or at least "more participation". We won't lynch you for being stupid at this stage, that's reserved for D1.
Steven, Steven Steven, can you grace us with your presence and talk about the previous day. Who do you think is scum. I recall Gamzee attacked Shoe after she attacked you on your roleguessing excuse, I want enough out of you to determine if Gamzee was pulling chainsaw defence or attempting to get a mislynch on Shoe. (given how rubbish I think the case on Shoe was/is I am not entirely convinced you're town, after some consideration! Derp only goes so far and I definitely don't feel it's a free pass!)
Evangeline, when did your suspicions re: Steven take root? More specifically, why did you vote Sandor first in the day, but later switched to Steven? You first post on August 9th, at 8 PM, give or take minutes. Then you vote Sandor on August 10th at 6 PM for reasons related to his lurking. You unvote him and consequently vote Steven August 11th, 1 AM. That's two days nearly that passed since your very first post, and it's only then that a case surfaces.
What's worse, you vote Steven here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg406231.html#msg406231) "after being tipped off"... and the only mention of Steven between you voting Sandor and you posting again is by Sandor and Shoe: the former to indicate Steven as a target, the latter to dismiss it.
We've got evidence that Gamzee and Sandor were both pushing for a Shoe lynch D1, indicating scum works together on lynchtrains. You were on that same train. We now see Sandor and you were also on Steven on D2. On D3, your vote did not come until under 20.5 hours remained in the day as per the mod's votecounts.
EBWOP: also, what or who tipped you off?
Evangeline: Who did you target N0?
@Stuff: I'm not going to have the mod send a reminder to someone when they just posted the other day, y'know. Of the remaining players you stick out most to me, thus vote on you.
The question was who you targetted. Why you have to go and out me >_>
Though I don't feel 100% comfortable breaking someone's veil of anonymity, the information might help Town that are familiar with his playstyle
So why am I scum according to you?
Also, I apologise for being so damn wordy. :( I try to be succinct but I post stream-of-consciousness and boy do I have a lot of streams there.
The sentiment here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg404280.html#msg404280), that one of Shoe and Gamzee was scum, is weird. Because a D1 case seldom ends as Scum VS Town train, it's a bit weird to call Scum on one of the two in the D1 train. Much less certainly. I'd be more wont to say "You seemed scummy, but Gamzee didn't", rather than boldly claim I suspected one of the two being scum. "Pretty sure", huh?
In spite of what bad stuff I can find on her, and my reluctance to rhyme her sudden suspicion of StuffMan who she knew to be who he is since D2 as not-paranoia, I'm... pretty much willing to think that for now, Evangeline errs on the wrong side of paranoia.
For the last point:
It's easy to think, "This person is scum" and then look back at everything they say and present it as evidence. It's the Texas Shooter fallacy where you use a conclusion and then make arguments to support it, rather than make arguments to reach a conclusion.
It means that I think you're too inclined to think, "He's scum!" and then let that direct your thought process and abandon the positive tells. It's a scummy thing, for sure, but I'm not getting too many bad feelings that push you ahead of McClane.
Also, forgot to mention this, but if you really are not a regular player: never give up. Never surrender and permit yourself to be lynched. Town has a responsibility to fight 'till the bitter end.
Raxeluxe, i'm guessing has some sort of role restriction where he has to speak in a lot of bolds? I was so close to saying something about excessive bolding before I realize that might have been the case. Is the bolding just random or is there a pattern based on the content of the bolded/unbolded stuff? Makes me wonder.
Sailor Moon doesn't strike me as scum because of consistent content for most of the game and getting onto Sandor so early would be quite a hard bus.
You still aren't leading because you HAVE NEVER BEEN THE FIRST VOTE on any of the wagons the entire game.
Vote me if you're so sure of me being scum. The fact that you don't is because you can't back it.
Hasn't mentioned me all game, but I think she knew who I was from very early on and gave me a meta pass."That is not how first-post mindhax works and you are not Pesco" :V
Also, does this mean there's two scum but a bomb they could derp into or something? Doctor who just can't seem to target the right people so far? Eh, I won't even bother setup speculating, there's too many weird things that could possibly be going on.
So Shoe's role has her come back as a Chicago Voter for LyLo? That's interesting. Also explains the "Seven votes in play" that I was wondering about in Suwako's post.
Does this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg414790.html#msg414790) not count because Saki Vote/Unvoted?
Why are you trying to rush voting when we're in potential LyLo, anyway? >_>
It was just speculation but let's test it anyway. There's no time limit today so hold off voting me until he's placed the vote on me.
So, uh, how's that Mafier going for you guys?
plus she said she just got out of the ER, and... well, I'd like to think people wouldn't lie about things like that. Even if you did lie about not being able to play, you could do something less extreme.I didn't get to address this yesterday, but I want to now. Suwako was nice enough to let me form a hydra with someone. Asking for something like that when there was nothing wrong (and then using such an extreme problem on top of that) would be incredibly lame. I promise that I would never be that lame.
Shannon/Kanon: I'd like to know what happened between this post and this post. Specifically, what happened between those two posts to turn Sailor Moon from someone you were wary about to "likely to be town"? I realize that i'm talking to two heads of a hydra here, but still.
Also, Miss McDowell, who did you target last night?
That won't even work as a test though, since you already had a vote on you from Shoe. :/
@Evangeline: "I did my research" means I checked his posts and what he was saying. Triple-checked it all to make sure I wasn't just seeing things or whatever.
A reread of your previous post showed a mention of third party. Now why in the world would Town entertain the thought of any third party when there has been no evidence to even hint that one exists? That is fearmongering and scummy as heck.
You are scum because you've supported wagons that have lynched town and gave passes to Stone Mason on more than one occasion to secure those town wagons as I've linked in my vote post. Sure, scum would want to hold back on voting to quickhammer and that's why you are scum because you are not voting the person you claim should be lynched.
I targeted Stone Mason.Stone Mason tips his hat.
And finally for a fun pet theory, Stuffman says he gets a second vote by hammering, but I' hypothesizing he already got a second vote: the Silver Medal.I think the Silver Medal is passable as Miyako said and as Suwako has told me. It's just that Shannon is untargetable by it from her role, apparently, so Miyako had some problems passing.
Don't put weight into this though, I just want to see if I've successfully matched wits after the game.
plus she also seems to be the one person who's really putting in effort for this game, something I noticed heavily starting on D4 and on
Just because I mention it doesn't mean I'm actually entertaining the idea. I ramble and post in stream-of-consciousness.
##Vote: Sailor MoonI, uh... guess I really don't have anything I can say to this, considering it's impossible to know why Shoe thinks I'm scum now? Except for an incredibly gruelling questionairre.
##Unvote
Anyway, at this point, does anyone really care if I do that reread on Stuffman or not? Everyone agrees he looks terrible, 3/4 votes to get him lynched are confirmed to be put on him at some point today, p.much the guarenteed lynch and it's potential LyLo... I'll still do it if anyone wants me to, of course.
Yesterday I would have liked to make it in time to hammer as it grants me a second vote if I do, but it's not a necessary thing to try get and I'll place my vote the moment I'm ready.How did I miss him saying this on D2? Nothing else to say about his D2 posts. Or D3, actually, but D3 was extremely straightforward.
Today, what good is your prodvote going to do? If you want someone to post, ask the mod to send them a reminder and use your vote for lynching.I don't like this sentence, but I could accept it as a difference in playstyle.
I did have one piece of information that became relevant once you started pressing Sandor: I had used my night ability on Steven D1, and it got redirected to Sandor. I had no idea how to interpret that aside from guessing it was a bus driver of some sort, so I just kept that information tucked in the back of my head until D3, where it came out that Sandor was the bus driver....There is so much wrong with this...I am surprised no one brought it up yesterday (I'm even more dissapointed that the day was ended before we could catch up and bring it up ourselves, but anyway). Let's think for a moment. Sandor is confirmed to be a bus driver + redirctor combo by Saki. So, he could have done one of two things to make Miss McDowell target him.
Oh, btw. It's entirely possible Sandor hit her with the vague redirect role, in which case I don't think he needs to give a target, and it'll instead be randomWhich ability are you talking about? Saki listed what he could do here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg409685.html#msg409685). He could either make someone target the person of his choice, or he could swap two people and make whoever targets one target the other. Both of which require him to use his ability on himself. I think I already explained why this is dangerous and silly.
@SailorMoon: you want to put the medal on who you think might be scum, not town. If it lands on a townie then the game might be over as soon as the next day begins, if we even get to that point.uh
What I've got from this is a clear for Stone Mason.Why? If there are two scum, the other could be the one NKing, and he could be the one roleblocking. You even said this, and yet dismissed Stone as town after thinking he's scum all game. Huh?
I may be exagerating a bit, but she's certainly called more than a few people, and her lackluster scumhunting has me loathe to believe she's just that good. (sorry, but it's how it is)But- okay my response probably falls under "being lame" so I won't answer.
If Raze isn't the roleblocker, Moon Cult other there is (by process of elimination -1 for me)How did you reach this conclusion, may I ask? I understand now this may not be as important since we know that Raze did indeed roleblock you, but still.
, and as for why she didn't jump down Raze's throat when I asked her before he made his correction is beyond me.I'm having a little trouble understanding what you mean here. Why would I be jumping down Raz' throat about anything then? You mean about the being roleblocked or not? I thought that wasn't significant.
but isn't that exactly what I said ):
About the Sandor/Steven busdrive thing about Evangeline. Maybe Steven's role redirected everything away onto a random person or possibly always the scum? "Townie Oh Shi- Moment" does seem to fit something like that. Yes, I understand this is blatant rolefishing, but it's either that or Evangeline lied. And I was starting to lean towards her as town.
Combine that with the fact that she has been on every town wagon, argued for a town wagon instead of a scum wagon D1, jumped off a scum wagon to a town wagon D2, and her posts have just been generally unimpressive (I mean really, look at this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg415211.html#msg415211)) makes her our top suspect.
I need to rethink this. Scum!Mason wasn't able to do anything last night, so assuming he was scum, he'd probably be the roleblocker (short of being scumbuddies with Sailor Moon), which means he's been going on the kills, but we found a body last night. So it can't be him.
So first, in regards to the anon vote on us, it's nothing to worry about. It comes from us not saying that "Suwako is amazing" nearly enough. And yes, I am completely serious. We have a post restriction that says we must praise Suwako in at least half our posts every day. You can verify this without reading my horrible walls just by CTRL + Fing for "Suwako" and looking through my posts.
Explain D3. You didn't mention Suwako at all that day, and yet the anonvote didn't get on you until the start of D4. According to your claim there would have to be TWO anonvotes, with one conveniently disappearing at the same time that your role restriction kicked in.Really, so how else are you supposed to count across half of a day's posts until that day has, y'know, already ended? Protip: think a little here, seriously.
Evangeline:Sandor's was confirmed to be from his role, wasn't it? And maybe Suwako just didn't kick in the Shannonvote until D4 started for whatever reason, which would account for everything except Saki's anonvote. And for all we know, she had a role restriction too.
I don't see how it would make any sense for these to be anything other then role restriction votes, and while it kicked in on Shannon a little late, it's still fairly reasonable.
Although, if you've got any other theories on what's going on, I'd love to hear it. It's just, the votes seem useless and random if they're actually being controlled by someone, so that wouldn't make sense. Why would Shannon even lie about it, for that matter? What in the world would she have to gain from such an action, in any role?
Really, so how else are you supposed to count across half of a day's posts until that day has, y'know, already ended? Protip: think a little here, seriously.
I think Hydra's power is more town than scum.
We have been talking about Stuffman mostly but all we really have against him is grating playstyle, we need an actual case.
Hahaha. Raz you kook, I think your power is way too crazy for that to be made up. So theoretically you can play any role.
Alright then, let's .... rock.
##Vote: Stuffman
As for Stuffman, much as I want to believe he's scum, I... ugh, I had something to say, but I forget what it was.
Mindhax is dumb and i'm not playing the WIFOM game.
For more gravy on the Stuffman train, he's the worst lurker of the rest of us (aside from possibly ShKanon, but the Hydra stuff kinda implies good reason for not being around) only to pop up every now and then to ask for the hammer on the trains, and only comes out towards the end of the day yesterday to pester us more about getting the hammer, and then early today when he thinks he can get a train going on me. Also, he's breadcrumbed suspicions about me previous to today.
Sandor's role restriction hit him in the middle of the day, and it's now unreasonable to think that yours would too?This is silly - is there any reason for all role restrictions to function in the same way? Not only that, but "X's role restriction functions differently from Y's role restriction, therefore X is scum!" is really piss-poor logic at best (and certainly is not helped by the fact that Y flipped scum in this case).
@Mason: Right now for me it's a tossup between Shkannon and Stuffman, depending on how Shkannon responds. She's accusing me of dishonesty regarding my role and results when Saki said it checked out. So either Saki is lying, Shkannon completely missed that part of D4, or she's trying to push a townie train while we're still uncertain and approaching deadline.On the contrary, I went over Saki's D4 posting and found a couple... interesting things. First off, I'd be very impressed if Saki managed to find out any details about your role, considering that she stated here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg409591.html#msg409591) that she is not a rolecop!
This is silly - is there any reason for all role restrictions to function in the same way? Not only that, but "X's role restriction functions differently from Y's role restriction, therefore X is scum!" is really piss-poor logic at best (and certainly is not helped by the fact that Y flipped scum in this case).
Really, so how else are you supposed to count across half of a day's posts until that day has, y'know, already ended? Protip: think a little here, seriously.
And lastly, I have a one-shot kill, but I can only use it when I die, or if I'm alive on the night of LyLo. Night 5 I was told I could use my shot, and I targeted Evangeline. Everyone else wanted to kill her; if she was scum, then yay I got rid of her, if she wasn't scum, then thank goodness I just stopped Town from lynching her on LyLo and losing the game.Really. A one-shot kill, with the most odd specifics that I've seen in awhile? I know this is a Bastard Mod(TM) game and all that, but seriously?
Sailor Moon, why did you pass the medal on to Stone Mason? What made him your next highest priority?There was you, Shkannon, and Stone Mason. Shkannon I felt was town. I thought it was more likely Stone Mason was scum then you.
Oh, ShKanon, don't forget that Sailor Moon declared yesterday that she would target me with the Medal if Stuffman flipped Town, so she also lied about that.What? I said I was going to target Stone Mason or Evangeline, not you. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg421387.html#msg421387)
It gets more interesting than that. By now it's probably common knowledge that we are untargetable (Umineko barrier magic and all that), and N3 we were targeted by Razeluxe. There was also a death N3, and there must be at most 1 scum remaining, because, well, otherwise this wouldn't be LYLO, this would be a scum win of the game. Therefore either there is a secondary killing party that used their NK that night, and scum hit someone that was protected somehow, orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... you'd have to be the killing party.Or, if Razeluxe is scum, he can kill and use his ability in the same night.
Speaking of which, has anyone owned up to roleblocking McClane N3? Because it certainly wasn't Raze, considering he did indeed target me, and it certainly wasn't myself either, so, uh, yeah. >_>Don't think so. Maybe it was someone who died between then and now?
Furthermore, Sailor Moon, why were you going to place the medal on someone in a day which otherwise was likely to be LYLO? (given that it was pseudo-LYLO the day before, and we failed to lynch scum that day). That seems like a generally anti-town decision to make, as it makes one player easier to lynch. Oh, and Mr.Mason flipped Town. How convenient.I see the logic behind these things things you're saying. I wish I had thought like this last night. But I was thinking in terms of "I really don't think the other two choices are scum so it must be this one!" and wanted to help get the person who I thought must be scum, lynched.
Moreover, since the Silver Medal gives you an extra vote to place on someone in LYLO and thus is inherently an Anti-Town thing to use in such a situation, assuming that you killed Evangeline, regardless of the method used, why not also use the Silver Medal on her, thus killing it along with Evangeline? That would be the proper pro-Town method of doing things.
Wait, if you claim to be a town one-shot vig who shot Evangeline, then you must have had some pretty huge bollocks to place the Silver Medal on someone for today... either you'd have to be 100% certain they'reI'm sorry for not realizing this. I also didn't realize I could eliminate the Silver Medal with my Evangeline kill, partially since people holding the medal had been nk'd multiple times before. Although now I realize that OH DUH, they got to pass it with their night action while they died.townscum (moreso than... the rest of the town as you're basically deciding the lynch for that day!), or you'd have to be certain that the scum nightkill was otherwise blocked, because then we'd be facing 3P LYLO with someone already at L-1... someone who already flipped town.
Oh, by the way, Sailor Moon manages to pull off somehow actually not voting for a single person for almost the entire day, only finally voting for StuffMan around deadline when their lynch was virtually guaranteed. Classy. Real classy there.Because it was, uh, y'know, potential LyLo. And at that point, Stuffman and Evangeline were tied in votes as well, so it could have gone to either of them.
So yeah. Care to tell us what you were up to Night 3, my good Sailor Moon?Having a cup of tea? :derp: Nothing much, really.
And why you decided to place the Silver Medal on someone who flipped Town knowing that if you really were a one-shot town vig instead of, y'know, scum, we'd be in 3P LYLO and a mis-placing of it would cost town the game? Especially when if you really were a vig, you could have simply gotten rid of it by placing it on Evangeline before shooting her? Because I'm really curious about all of these things right about now. Really curious.I took the idiot ball and ran with it. It happens to the best of us sometimes, and I tend to do that anyway. Not that that is ANY kind of excuse, it really isn't, but there's nothing else I can say on the matter.
Because I'm really curious about all of these things right about now. Really curious.
So why, again, does killing Stone Mason+Evangeline and destroying the Silver Medal make me scum, Shkannon?Worded this badly. Meant to be more like
If I was scum, that means I had a one-shot kill I didn't use until the night of LyLo. I then proceeded to claim the kill and make up a ridiculous reason why I hadn't used it earlier. And I used said one-shot kill to get rid of the person everyone else thought was certainly scum and would probably lynch in LyLo.Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... you could just be lying. That's much more likely of an option, just saying.
If I was scum, why the FUCK would I do something so INCREDIBLY retarded. Seriously. I'd be beating myself in the face if that happened. I'd have just thrown away a very easy win. So why, again, does killing Stone Mason+Evangeline and destroying the Silver Medal make me scum, Shkannon?You're assuming that you have to be responsible for BOTH the Evangeline AND the Stone Mason NKs, which is patently false. While it's possible that you were scum with a 1-shot NK that you used in the most retarded manner imagineable, it's far more likely that you're just, erm, lying scum.
As for other stuff, that's between you two right now, but I will say that Sailor Moon is telling the truth about killing Evangeline. That much is absolutely certain. Also, mindgames aren't better than insta-winning the game. However, given the level of meta I'm seeing here, everything lines up perfectly for ShKanon to have seen that Sailor Moon would be passing the medal to either Evangeline or Stone Mason, and that Evangeline was looking bad. As such, the medal would probably have gone to Evangeline, and she kills Stone Mason to get rid of who she thinks is the towniest player at the time. Then, there's a good chance that Evangeline gets killed right away because of starting at L-1. Then, when they both end up dead, she pulls off a gambit to make Sailor Moon look bad for... agh, brain fart. I lost where I was going. But I'll say that if I had to vote, right here and now, it'd be ShKanon.First off, no, it's *not* between the two of us, as I caught Sailor Moon in a lie and she has since then managed to not explain it away in a plausible manner. Secondly...
Then please, tell me how both Evangeline and Stone Mason died. If I'm lying and have no one-shot kill, and Razeluxe is saying his ability did a Cop on her, then it'd have to be either you or Stone Mason who killed one, and implies Stone Mason decided not to use his kill till just now if it's him. If it's you, well, then you can go ahead and explain.Anyway, onto Sailor Moon. Simple, Evangeline died because you nightkilled her. As the last remaining member of the scumteam.
Anyway, onto Sailor Moon. Simple, Evangeline died because you nightkilled her. As the last remaining member of the scumteam.If I was scum, I'd much rather use a one-shot Doctor on her then kill her. Everyone was looking ready to turbolynch her when LyLo started. There is no way in hell I'd kill her if I was scum, because it just seems retarded.
We have a one-shot vig, but we lose untargetability and notification of who targeted us the same night that we use itThat's a pretty cool power mang. No, really, I mean that. Err, I'll go back to actually playing mafier now...
In fact, I'm so certain of you being scum right now that I'm going to vote you. Right now.Mmkay then.
I caught Sailor Moon in a lie and she has since then managed to not explain it away in a plausible mannerI have.
1) Sailor Moon, did you or did you not Role Block McClane N3.1) Nope. Either there was a misunderstanding (Which I doubt), or the roleblocker is someone who died between now and then. Or something REALLY weird happened. I'd guess it's the second, as in, guilty party already died by now.
2) What if you're both telling the truth about having one-shot vigs. That would explain how there could have been no today. If you had both hit separate people, and the scum!kill had hit a third person, there would be 1 Town vs. 1 scum. Scum auto-win. Thoughts on this, please?
You managed to completely derp it up in the most fantastic way, and this really isn't much of a victory.Please think about what you are saying. You are basically saying that Sailor Moon is too scummy to be scum. Currently she is saying that she would have put the silver medal on to someone that is now confirmed town as a 1-shot vig. That would have been an insta loss for town! Not to mention that her role says that she can't use her shot whenever she wants? This doesn't even include the aspects of her play that we pointed out in the previous post. I could have used mine whenever I wanted to, but doing so would mean that I lost my untargetablilty AND my ability to self-watch. I could live without the former, but I thought the latter was useful enough to hang on to.
If I was scum, I'd much rather use a one-shot Doctor on her then kill herThis statement is silly. Before last night there were five people alive. As scum, you would not be aware of our shot, therefore, in your mind, if you did not shoot there would be five people alive. Lynch + NK = 3 people alive the next day. In other words, if you DIDN'T shoot, you would have to survive for another day. In other words, yes you would much rather shoot her as scum than protect her.
2) What if you're both telling the truth about having one-shot vigs. That would explain how there could have been no today. If you had both hit separate people, and the scum!kill had hit a third person, there would be 1 Town vs. 1 scum. Scum auto-win. Thoughts on this, please?I will discuss this with Kanon when he gets on because it is certainly interesting. I'm not quite sure how it would work as of now, so do you mind if I wait on answering this until Kanon gets online? I'm not exactly confident in my ability to think critically right now.
And lastly, I have a one-shot kill, but I can only use it when I die, or if I'm alive on the night of LyLo. Night 5 I was told I could use my shot, and I targeted Evangeline. Everyone else wanted to kill her; if she was scum, then yay I got rid of her, if she wasn't scum, then thank goodness I just stopped Town from lynching her on LyLo and losing the game.
If I was scum, I'd much rather use a one-shot Doctor on her then kill her. Everyone was looking ready to turbolynch her when LyLo started. There is no way in hell I'd kill her if I was scum, because it just seems retarded.This is just ridiculous.
Carthrat, Town Lurker Hitler, beat his head on the nearest wall until his brain oozed out!
A) Nobody is going to turbolynch anyone at the start of freaking LYLO unless they are: A) Scum or B) Want to lose the game.
That said I actually really enjoyed seeing everybody's write-ins even if I didn't recognize like half of them. Anonymafia with write-ins is interesting and I like it.
Sailor Moon, Scum German Suplex, was lynched by majority!FUCK YES TOWN WI-
Shannon, Third Party Moriyavatar, has won the game!...;_;
I am Sailor Germany, champion of nazis, princess of the communist kingdom, and your worst nightmare! On behalf of Mother Russia, I will kill all heretics and triumph over jewish scum; and you people are the worst kind of heretics! Lead blindly by the whims of goddesses!
In the name of mein fuhrer (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=342), I shall send you all to a concentration camp!
Ignore the fact that I was probably going to follow Steven D2 because JESUS Zakeri is good at acting like scumThat was Polaris, actually :3c
Role - Pete Seeger
Role Description - For every hammer you drop on a lynch train, you get an extra Anonymous vote to be used however you like. This vote charge will disappear after it is used. You may not use Anonymous votes during LYLO.
Role - Machi Man
Role Description - After death, you may choose (at night) to come back for one more day, equipped with a vote (and thus counting toward the vote count). You may only post votes and unvotes, however, and you may not do multiple votes and unvotes in a single post. In addition, you must wait for at least three other posts before you may post again. (They do not need to be from three different players.) You may not make your return after a LYLO mislynch.
Role - Rebound Striker
Role Description - If you are targeted with a night kill, the attack will bounce off of you and hit another random player instead.
Role - Metaknight
Role Description - Each night, you may target one other player and learn who the person is behind the anonymous mask.
Role - Psych Whore
Role Description - For every day where every other living player in the game says your name, you gain one Night Kill shot. Players quoting you count, as do players that use RP nicknames for you. You may collect as many shots as you wish, but you may only use one per night.
RESTRICTION - If you suggest the nature of your power's activation in any way to the rest of the game, you power will be removed and you will receive a mod vote for the day. If you are unsure about something, let me see it first and I will tell you.
Role - Streetlife Serenader
Role Description - You are allowed to discuss the game at night. It is not particularly recommended you do this Night 0, but if you really want to, you may.
Posting Restriction - Once per day, you must intelligibly incorporate song lyrics into one of your posts. Failure to do so will result in a mod vote the following day. (Be sure to link me when you do it, just to be safe.)
Role - Universal Backup
Role Description - As a Universal Backup, you...are actually not sure what you can do! But you're pretty sure you'll be ready when you're needed. Hang in there!
Role - Chess Game
Role Description - Once per game, you may activate a Mass Roleblock at night. This will stop all active abilities except the scum NK.
Role - Oh Shi- Moment
Role Description - If you are the fourth vote on a lynch train, you gain the lynchee's power. You will retain this until the next time you are the fourth vote on a lynch train, at which point you will gain a new power.
Role - Sansei
Role Description - You are a chargeable Doctor with 0 shots. For every three end-of-day votes you accrue (cumulative across the game), you gain an additional shot. You may not use more than one shot per night.
Role: Wonder Twin
Role Description: You are wielding a Wand of Wonder! Once a night, you may target another player with it. What will it do? Will it do something good or bad? Will it do anything at all? Who knows? Certainly not you! That's the fun of a Wand of Wonder!
Role - Swiss Army Knife
Role Description - You have one shot each of rolecop, roleblocker, tracker and watcher. Once you have used all four of these shots, they will all refill. You may not use a shot if you are going on the NK.
Role - Crazy Taxi
Role Description - You have both the powers of a Bus Driver and a Hijacker at your disposal! Each night, you may either choose two players and have all night actions targeting those two players switched to the other player, or you may choose one player and redirect their night action to another target of your choice.
In addition, you are allowed to speak about the game at night. It is not particularly recommended you do this Night 0, but it's up to you.
Restriction: Every post you make must have at least one sentence IN ALL CAPS THAT ENDS IN AN EXCLAMATION POINT! This includes both day and night posts, and it includes EBWOPs, so be careful. If you fail to do this, you will be given a mod vote for the rest of the day (or for the entire upcoming day, if the restriction is broken at night).
Role - German Suplex
Role Description - Each night, you may target one other player and learn the real person behind the anonymous mask. You may not use this ability if you are going on the kill.
In addition, you have single shots of both Hitman and Janitor. A Hitman shot will pierce protective guards. A Janitor shot will obscure the dead player's alignment and role name to town, but scum will still learn it.
Alignment - Third Party
Role - Moriyavatar
Role Description - This needs its own bulleted list.
* You are allowed to speak about the game at night.
* You are Bulletproof, though you don't know how long it will last.
* You are Night Action Immune outside of NK attempts. Abilities that target you will fizzle.
* You are a constant Self-Watcher. You will see anyone that targets you during the night.
* You have a single Night Vig shot. You may use it in any night interval you like, but you will lose both BP and Night Action Immunity for the night if you do.
* You have a one-shot Anonymous vote. You may deploy it anywhere you choose at any time you choose, though it is disabled for LYLO. Once used, it cannot be reused (i.e. you don't get one every day).
* You have a posting restriction: At least half of your posts each day (rounded up) must revere me in some capacity. This will be calculated at the end of each day, so you may fall behind and catch up and still save yourself. If you fail to meet this, you will get a mod vote the next day.
* You win when no more than one player other than you is still alive.
Alignment: Mod
Role: Stupid Ice Fairy
Role Description: You are a stupid ice fairy. There is little more to be said. You win if you entertain me enough throughout the game that I do not feed you to an amphibian in the end-of-game flavor.
Steven Stone, played by PolarisGDIT
Saki Marimi: Roleblock John McClane (Success!)I died.
Credit to Serela for several ballsy plays throughout the game, you earned your spot in that 3-way.<3
Been watching the scum QT, and I'm kinda disapointed that Serela hasn't tried to really think through *why* this is potential LYLO with 7 votes in play when he's the only scum left, but I guess it's because he's still relatively new so I can't really hold it against him. Still, this should be leading him to hunt for third parties, and the number of people that have claimed inability to target Shkannon should be setting off all sorts of sirens.I was thinking "well it might be a third-party but there could be ALL kinds of shizzaz going on with that so I won't even bother". Since it was role madness, Shkannon's immunity didn't surprise me a lot. I guess I still need more practice!
Still loling over claiming Evangeline's death and then the killer wasn't alive so everyone thought I was telling the truthI am too actually. :P
SerpPerson was signed in when posted 70
08-13-2010 09:46 PM ET (US)
Argh. Good game Saki. Odds are they'll realize by tomorrow that I was most likely switching scum and town tomorrow, and then lynch you. Going to make a token effort to survive here, but it's probably a waste of effort.
NeoSerela 69
08-13-2010 09:45 PM ET (US)
...this will probably serve as a very good reason for everyone to lynch me tomorrow once someone realizes "Hey Sandor probably targeted Moon to protect from investigation! Couldn't be Saki since she's the one who got Sandor killed and all."
So hopefully they won't realize that tomorrow. Er, or for the next several days...
Oh god I'm doomed. And things were looking really nice for me before this... ;_;
NeoSerela 68
08-13-2010 09:22 PM ET (US)
wait what
Did Saki get targets other then the ones you said, or is she playing it up? Hmm. It's possible other crazy roles are interfering.
SerpPerson was signed in when posted 67
08-13-2010 09:22 PM ET (US)
Fuck, violated my post restriction in the heat of things. Oh well, if I end this day with any votes at all on me, it'll probably mean that Saki's decided to get me lynched anyway and I'm screwed regardless.
NeoSerela 66
08-13-2010 09:07 PM ET (US)
Oh yeah that makes sense. Yay role madness.
SerpPerson was signed in when posted 65
08-13-2010 08:53 PM ET (US)
Roleclaiming compulsory bus driver.
NeoSerela 64
08-13-2010 08:20 PM ET (US)
Oh boy Saki knows who you targetted?
Given you have TWO targets, that might be hard to explain yourself out of :\ Are there any non-wtf roles other then Bus Drive with two targets, anyway? Off the top of my head I think of none.
huhwhatPerson was signed in when posted 28
08-06-2010 04:36 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 08-06-2010 04:41 PM
Saki: "I explained my reason. FPMH, best reason ever. "
Saki is Bardiche attempting to mock the concept of fpmh. I'm calling it, based on stuff he said during dwarf fortress postgame.
-quote of Huhwhat identifying Bardiche in ED1-Ahaha, I totally forgot about that!
This, too! (Forgot, I can edit posts now! ... I should probably let go of this account...)
But yeah, this was my most fun game yet.
Apologies to Pesco, belatedly, for ridiculing FPMH, but I really thought it was a great idea at the time. I had no intention to become Town High Inquisitor and lead the Scum Hunt but things happened. I actually intended to derp it up hard and generally lollygag around until my role started doing things... which was on N1. I actually thought I'd become a Cop if the Cop died or a Doc if the Doc did... but not complaining.
Words words words. God, I need to learn to shut up.
Also why am I an idiot princess. What is this malarkey.
Pesco's birthday request was to give the victors + top players colored names. bofh already has Godmother, so IP went out to you, Serela and K4U. There's a whole Idiot ______ Hierarchy system for the main social subforum here, but considering you don't ever post there, you can just treat it as a badge of honor.
EDIT: Also it looked like Mage was bluffing the entire time about considering voting Shannon over Sailor Moon, so no rage in his direction necessary. It's not like the guy needs any more stress from this game anyway.
EDIT 2: I also imagine most of town will take your stance on losing to the third-party, so.
"Now that I have elegantly solved the first scum for you, just wake me up when she's lynched and flipped"
She sounds awfully confident for what would presumably be a jokevote. Maybe a cop or a bulletproof trying to lure or both? Hmm. Or just rvs shenanigans that I'm overreacting to. I'll keep an eye on her to see how things develop.
If she can make herself look suspicious today, she'd be a good target for the Janitor one-shot of mine, considering that I highly doubt there will be only one death tonight. Possibly killing a cop and having town wonder if it was scum or not would be nice.
Kilgamayan 6
08-23-2010 01:59 PM ET (US)
I may have to change my mind on assessing still-alive players for value, Nobu's actually doing a good job of taking over the lead townie role that Bard left. I had written him off as a possibility after his first three days but he's coming along very well, especially for a new guy.
This, too! (Forgot, I can edit posts now! ... I should probably let go of this account...)You and Pesco were the easiest players to guess, though. (I somehow guessed that Sutff Man was Pesco before D1 even began and Serela can vouch for me on this. )
Hey! Hey Listen? Remember this? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg401778.html#msg401778)Welp. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg401652.html#msg401652) :V
Yeah.
Welp. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6785.msg401652.html#msg401652) :V
Well Copvig is a bad role. SK cult is somewhat more powerful than SK since you get a bonus when your kill fails, making your action pretty much impossible to screw up.
Damn. My image of Saki has been shattered forever. ;_;
...
So, I just noticed now apparently OS/Browser were ON on the dummy accounts. Meaning if someone were a jackass they could cross reference OS and Browser to determine who was who.
I'm sorry. But hey, you can rest easy knowing I'm that cool. 8D
Technically you were completely wrong, because she was by definition the least traitorous of us all, what with being the Moriyavatar and all. :xIndeed! I was more town than the rest of you!
Shannon, ironically, probably won thanks to RL circumstancesHey, after Sandor flipped scum the attacks on me completely dissolved until Evangeline thought I was lying about my post restriction (and even then that attack never got much traction). >:( I'll buy that RL curcumstances let me live through D2, but if I didn't have them I don't think I would have been in that situation in the first place as I still think the case on me was 90% terrible. Seriously, anyone that thought they would get town cred from bussing their buddy that late is a complete moron, and majority lynches > non-majority lynches regardless of whether or not they're required. My vote would have been completely useless on Sandor, so I put it somewhere useful in the face of the deadline.
so IP went out to you, Serela and K4U<3 Thanks Pesco. I always get sad when my blue name goes away. :P
I did have a scare early on when I went into a profile to look at posts while signed onto this account, and thought I had found out someone was K4U accidentally by seeing their email address. Until I realized all of the dummy accounts are registered under the same person.Yeah, I made all the dummy accounts and I was far too lazy to come up with interesting names for all of them. So, all the e-mails are kitten4u#@name.com. :V
...I accidentally figured out who Demonbman was because of this but he never posted so idc.
So, I just noticed now apparently OS/Browser were ON on the dummy accounts. Meaning if someone were a jackass they could cross reference OS and Browser to determine who was who.
Please tell me this wasn't on during the actual game. PLEASE.
Bus driver bus driving his own scum buddies makes some sense? It assumes his scum buddies must be bussed with someone who acts less scummy than they do. Someone scanning Sailor Moon would get my results, and might mistake me for scum? Maybe they never knew people were appropriately informed of their role target.I'd buy that if the people weren't TOLD that they were bus driven and who their new target was. That really seems like something you would ask about before doing something like that. :S
I'd buy that if the people weren't TOLD that they were bus driven and who their new target was. That really seems like something you would ask about before doing something like that. :S
Or you just assume. I assumed rolecop was just rolename. I got the entire works.I guess. Maybe I'm just overly anal/paranoid. :V
I guess. Maybe I'm just overly anal/paranoid. :V
and I can't believe Neo survived as long as he did.do you mean that as in "why didn't they lynch you" or "oh serela sucked less then I thought he would" :derp:
< oh man derpiest player ever :3cActually, see:Zent in MotK Mafioso Mafia
Actually, see:Zent in MotK Mafioso Mafia
This.But... Zent hasn't played at all since that game? :x
Zent is half the reason I've been absent from the last <integer> number of games. The other half is I suck.
Ignore the fact that I was probably going to follow Steven D2 because JESUS Zakeri is good at acting like scum