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Time to vig bardReason Bard's cases were bad:"YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY BEFORE YOU DIED"
Also Polaris is winning the Tic Tac Toe an auto-win for our faction or do we still need to find scum?
Would you want to lynch me harder if you had the chance to do so serela?I literally have nothing better to do
Let's all lynch Dormio. He's lurking, and that's not that town!Dormio usually does.
inb4 "serela just jumping onto whatever wagon looks lynchable"What the fuck is this shit?
What the fuck is this shit?Wow you're really overthinking that joking comment aren't you :derp: Maybe I just, you know, foresaw that people would most likely say that, so I just made it completely clear that I was already entirely aware of how it looked? It saves a step in the discussion. You don't have to accuse me of it and wait for me to respond, I have pre-emptively responded to you, allowing you to reach the next part of your plan. You should be thanking me for making it easier on you ;_;
I think I've said similar things in other games but pre-empting shit like this is just a means of shutting down discussion as well as a defensive mechanism against any criticisms of your actions.
Why would town want to shut down discussion?
Why would town want to pro-actively stop other people from looking at something they do and criticizing it?
pre-empting shit like this is just a means of shutting down discussion as well as a defensive mechanism against any criticisms of your actions.
a defensive mechanism against any criticisms of your actions.And this is a scummy thing to do why? Town doesn't want to get lynched either.
you're complaining about how I was aware that my action will likely be seen as scummy and stating such
"Give me a free pass for anything stupid I do in the near future please" is how I'm reading itI never tried to invoke this as a defense, you're basically just pointing out something I said as a joke and saying "Well I bet this means Serela is going to try to be scummy and then point at this", tl;dr you're using this as an attack over me potentially doing something bad that I never actually did.
Vote Count:There are about 23 hours left in the day. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140606T20&p0=224&msg=Day+1+End)
ActionDan (1): Zakeri
Zakeri (1): Raikaria
Sky Paladin (1): NNR
Serela (2): Bardiche, Dormio
Dormio (3): ActionDan, CF7, Serela L-2
Bardiche (1): Sky Paladin
Not Voting (0)
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
tl;dr you're using this as an attack over me potentially doing something bad that I never actually did.Never did because you weren't given a chance to.
Also, I would be pretty interested in hearing from the rest of you.
You guys can do more than just sit around watching, right?
I don't like how CF7 jumped on either, but what I find worse is Dan's cheerleading of the frankly awful logic CF7 put on the table. [CF7's #29; followed by Actiondan's #31.]Starting discussion? Getting reaction from people? That kind of stuff? And hey, it actually worked. We have some posts and interactions and all that. Don't see it as a bad action, honestly.
Might I inquire so as to why you feel the need to defend Serela?
Actually the main thing is;
This whole point of Serela is scum because she said 'in before I am scummy' or whatever the hell it was;
See previous game (http://mafia.getonpictochat.com/index.php?topic=23.msg2473#msg2473).
One point raised against me in Birds' argument was on my 'in before OMGUS'. At this time, I was town; so I feel that this point is invalid.
Re: Bard - it's my birthday in two days!I don't give a fuck, seriously stop garbageposting.
Never did because you weren't given a chance to.This is really ridiculous imo. "The only reason you didn't do it is because I pointed it out before you actually did!" Oh no, now Dormio The Mastermind caught my master plan before I carried it out, now I can never not do it. ...I can't actually do it, either, so really, you probably would have been better off waiting for me to do it so you'd have ACTUAL EVIDENCE past Fairly Oddparents "I'm putting you in detention for bad things I think you might do!", which is dum.
Why would you bother setting up the potential to do it if you weren't thinking of invoking it if something went awry?
Re Dormio/Serela - Scum!Serela tunnels their scumbuddy and refuses to vote switch, and has shown an increasingly depressing inability to learn from mistakes.Considering the fact that I've been consistently dominating town whenever I roll scum for the past long while, this seems slightly out of place >:V I mean I guess it could still be true but I seem to be doing pretty well regardless, so I wouldn't call it depressing. (Then again, you could just blame motk town, but that's a completely different matter)
Serela's scummy because he's waxing an uncharacteristic lot about RVS, normally he's not in that much of a hurry to leave RVS,I hope the stuff I just brought out about how I was referencing stuff I've been doing in recent games and in one case have concrete evidence of having been blatantly self-awarely doing them in those games, is enough to null this argument >_>; (Then again, the one with evidence I was scum, but scum should have even less reason to care about ending rvs, not more)
In the linked post I'm pretty sure you didn't think your vote was just a simple OMGUS.
Why would you bother setting up the potential to do it if you weren't thinking of invoking it if something went awry?
Just to check: I'm reading this as, "I was aware my action would likely be seen as scummy". Were you?
Anyway I would actually lynch an NNR for being actually useless, whereas Dormio is trolling instead of scumhunting, so there could be an argument that trolling > afk.
I hope the stuff I just brought out about how I was referencing stuff I've been doing in recent games and in one case have concrete evidence of having been blatantly self-awarely doing them in those games, is enough to null this argument >_>; (Then again, the one with evidence I was scum, but scum should have even less reason to care about ending rvs, not more)
RE: Bardiche (and Serela who cut me too I guess)
Nothing else was particularly interesting so I'll poke and prod at Serela until I'm satisfied. Problem?
I do question what difference Bard sees.
you're complaining about how I was aware that my action will likely be seen as scummy and stating suchDormio argues that Serela asking that means he intended to do something stupid so everyone gets mad and then invoke that defence, I'm saying that's a strawman because it doesn't necessarily mean that was Serela's plan all along.
Also I don't like only Serela being targeted when CF7's case was awful and Dan's actions were bad too.I won't call it a case. But the fact that Dormio wagon somehow managed to get 4 votes out of 5 needed is interesting. I'd say Dormio is town, based on this alone. And someone who voted is likely to be scum.
Raikaria, how do you feel about Zakeri?
I feel like Dormio is being too loud and also that Serela isn't really worthy of the lynch for pointing out the fact that people were going to slam him just before people started slamming him.
Also; still think Dan is the correct lynch here. I don't really want to lynch either Serela or Dormio right now, because it usually ends up that the center of the D1 slapfights are BOTH Town. [Sky and myself can attest!] Dan's been rather inactive, goaded CF7 on a bad case and has happily been riding the Dormio wagon.
I would back up on an NNR lynch, however.
I'm bored but I don't want to stop posting in mafia yet.
(cue me being lynched because I'm a *player without opinions*)
Reading the case in detail, yeah I could have stood to clarify why I didn't like Dormio more. If I had done so, I probably would have put him at L-1 before that other guy above just did.doesn't seem to naturally agree with
While I think Dormio is bad, he's really only MotK Town Standards of bad.I'm reading that as Zakeri saying Dormio is bad, but still Town. At the same time Zakeri says he'd have put Dormio at L-1, so I'm confused.
Hopefully I'll be feeling food to post after the meeting
That said, I hope you realize how dumb your case on me looks now that you's tried to slam me for making a reporter style post after having made 4-5 content posts in a row and while also I was suggesting I've run out of stuff to respond to while having Raikaria agree in the next post that there's nothing left to respond to.
I just find that part of the case really weird considering if I had posted everything in a single, large post, you would not have even considered the not-really vote-count to be reporting.
Dormio is trolling instead of scumhunting, so there could be an argument that trolling > afk.
I'll note that this is your only contribution thus far.
Bard, are you implying that Zak's done something that's actually explicitly scummy instead of just mildly unsatisfactory? (which is certainly something worth a lynch when it's d1, but I just mean, I don't see why he would be so scummy that it'd be strange for me to not have a clear opinion on him)
who do see yourself voting for because Dormio is kinda off the table.What? Why? I think if it wasn't that L-1 was L-1, he'd still be at it right now, and there's people not voting him who've stated they think he's scummy. I'm actually seeing him as the most likely lynch, which is good with me because he's the only person I feel notably comfortable about voting.
I'm been under the impressionI've been*
Dormio, why aren't you calling out Dan for his vote (as suggested by Raikaria)?The fuck is this?
Let's all lynch Dormio. He's lurking, and that's not that town!Dormio usually does.
You should get on that
Actually, yea... That might work.Like, what's up with CF7 here?
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio.
(cue me being lynched because I'm a *player without opinions*)
and what he has failed to do.And what, pray tell, have I supposedly failed to do?
I could see Dormio/Bard as scum because Bard's main content has been to distract from the Serela/Dormio by engaging against Serela without questioning Serela's vote on Dormio; the absence of chainsaw defence.
Also, holy fucking shit Sky Palladium.What the fuck is this shit?
Actually yeah...go unnoticed?
Dormio, why aren't you calling out Dan for his vote (as suggested by Raikaria)?
You focused only on Serela when you had other votes on you as well. I said it quite clearly.At the time the votes were Dan, CF7, and Serela.
You didn't challenge CF7's vote until other players (myself included) brought it up.No you didn't.
So far you have only voted for people who have voted for you.It really helps when over half the game has voted for me and I don't think that the remaining people (Bardiche, Zakeri, myself) are scummy.
Therefore, I can say 'you have not contributed' as you have only done things that are natural for scum to do.lol
I think you need to avoid suppressing town discussion.I think you need to stop being stupid.
I would policy lynch Serela for being useless and also for tunneling Dormio most of the game. The vote was the laziest and she has done nothing to improve her vote except argue with Dormio.What in the literal fuck?
I think Dormio is bad for focusing largely only on Serela's vote, when he could (and should) have drilled CF7 and ActionDan for their shitvotes. This inconsistency alarms me.
At the time the votes were Dan, CF7, and Serela.
Didn't give a shit about Dan's vote.
Didn't even really notice CF7's vote.
Serela's vote looked funny.
You didn't challenge CF7's vote until other players (myself included) brought it up.
I think you need to stop being stupid.
To clarify for certain people that might not understand, Sky Palladium is saying that Serela is scummy.
I'm too tired to reread Dormio enough to re-evaluate but he's certainly improved over before (he'd do this if he was scum too
If I had to choose between the remaining three, I'll pick NNR or CF7. I was leaning Zak after Bard's case, but Bard's response to 'maybe Dormio/Bard' was 'lol drugs' instead of 'that is wrong because xyz' makes me doubt his case.
Vote Count:
ActionDan (3): Zakeri, Raikaria, CF7 L-2
Zakeri (1): Bardiche
Sky Paladin (2): NNR, Serela
NNR (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): Sky Paladin
CF7 (1): Dormio
Not Voting (0)
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
It's probably bad that I don't even try to refute SkyPaladin anymore. Maybe this is what it feels like when other people just accept my shenanigans and stop dealing with them as if I was anyone else.
- Dormio is scum, because other people have been acting in a way that supports Dormio being scum.
- Those other people are scum, because they have acted in a way that would support Dormio if he were scum.
I initially considered scum!Dormio because of what other people had been doingAs general advice, this (as in, hunting with a scumteam in mind) usually isn't worth doing to any significant degree (as in, past offhanded remarks) until you have very good reason to think someone is scum, and by that I mean either they flipped scum or it's at/near LyLo so there's only a few players left with a lot of evidence to look at and few scum possibilities remaining.
This is why you have trouble getting sign-ups. You attack the player instead of the argument and think it's okay.
Nobody wants to play with you because it's an unhealthy environment that encourages twitter posting and afk playstyle.
It's funny I agree with the silliness of that VC (also it looks like... a matrix!).
I actually don't think Sky P is scum. I just don't. I will vote him if necessary but... would rather not see that happen
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cf7
because I guess this is the best chance at the moment for even reaching a lynch with who is here atm.
I wonder if scum were/still are hoping that I'd be deadline lynched and aren't talking right now. ???
Personally I think Actiondan is likely scum. Question is who would make sense alongside Actiondan.Again, you worry about scumpartners after lynching the scum and seeing if they actually are scum.
I am not happy about the fact that we lynched CF7. Especially since it was following Actiondan. For example, a key part of Actiondan's case was a change in opinion on Dormio between #59 and #86.
The thing is, this is 27 posts. That's only just less than half of what existed at the time of the first post. More than half when you take out the mod posts. Opinions and game state can change, especially when there is 50% more content.
I mean, yeah, his initial Dormio vote was bad. But that was as much Actiondan as it was CF7.
However, Dan makes this case on CF7 without moving his vote to back it up; to show he is serious. There was still time to move back if he did not have support. It almost seems like he did not want to commit until he knew there was support for his case. As I said before; the vote speaks a lot.
Dan was the one who sowed the seeds of the CF7 lynch in #120; but he didn't commit to it until #158.
It's also orth noting that NNR has two votes at this point and CF7 only has the one. If Dan wanted to lynch the only 'viable' option like he claims; he would have voted for NNR.
Unless for some reason he didn't want to vote NNR. And when Sky becomes equal with NNR and CF7; Dan basically puts his foot down; says 'I'm not moving' and Bard wagonhops instantly afterwards.
Dan started the bad lynch but didn't commit, Dan then removed other options. Dan is responsible for the townie lynch, and his behavior towards the NNR lynch [Read: Disregarding it entirely when he voted for CF7; claiming CF7 was the most viable lynch when NNR had more people voting] suggests he may even be a potential scumbuddy.
##Vote: Actiondan
Keep in mind that my vote was RVS and my opinion has since changed. I have no idea what was going on in SkyPal's drunkposting brain at that time but I'd question whether he'd be willing to vote Dormio again.
as it stands 3 people believe I'm scummy and are voting for me.
2 people (me and Bard) believe Zak is scummy.
NNR could be lynched by probably everybody.
I don't think anyone else is viable.
So it's best if you decide one of those 3. (that goes for everyone else too).
Also scratch CF7 being town. posts 59 and 86 are actually more contradictory than I'd have thought. in 59, "Dormio is bad"; in 86, Dormio becomes town for the amount of votes on him for that reason alone. It's hard for me to believe the reasons for "Dormio is bad" were discarded without further mention. It's possible enough to think that Dormio could be scum despite being voted by less than 1/2 the players in the game because that's a thing that happens sometimes especially if you had evidence supporting scum!Dormio- That's usually how town lynch scum in the first place. I don't mean to be too sarcastic when people have different reasons for voting the same person and the like but the about face seems unwarranted all the same without reason to throw out previous suspicion
I could support a CF7 lynch.
In case more people consider that.
I'd let it pass and focus on the other important issues.
Sky, let's pretend dormio is not going to get lynched and you had to choose between CF7 NNR Zak and Me.
Are you sticking with NNR out of those 4. Because imo that's where the lynch is most likely heading
It kinda sucks that Sky/Serela are still sticking to their own thing. (please change to something viable because I for one am not going to vote for Dormio/Serela/Sky over Zak/CF7/NNR)
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cf7
because I guess this is the best chance at the moment for even reaching a lynch with who is here atm.
I wonder if scum were/still are hoping that I'd be deadline lynched and aren't talking right now. ???
People thought Dan was scummy, and then suddenly they follow him on consolidation. This is actually worrying.Towards the end of the day at least two people (me and Bard) had stated they thought Dan was looking really town. Honestly I never really understood where the wagon went from "lol dan claimed scum" rvs wagon into something serious?
Dan is responsible for the townie lynch, and his behavior towards the NNR lynch [Read: Disregarding it entirely when he voted for CF7; claiming CF7 was the most viable lynch when NNR had more people voting] suggests he may even be a potential scumbuddy.The NNR lynch would have been fucking awful, and listing it as a non-option is a completely reasonable opinion IMO. And I think Bard thought the same thing about it, but I haven't rechecked his posts. Honestly this isn't even reliable if NNR's slot flips scum in the future because several other people thought the same thing about it.
My issues are that you say this only a few posts later to encourage people to discuss it and gauge support for the lynch:to be fair this is a completely reasonable town action when it's a couple hours to deadline and it's a wagon no one has talked about before
Sure, you come out of left wing with the CF7 thing, but still, it's a little strange you didn't vote CF7 at this point when you used statements such as 'scratch CF7 being town', meaning you were confident he was scum.
My issues are that you say this only a few posts later to encourage people to discuss it and gauge support for the lynch:
Then you encourage Sky to stop thinking about Dormio:
However at this point, CF7 and Dormio have the same number of votes. Both are equally 'viable' lynches. Yet you activly encourage Sky to get off Dormio and consider the others. With the logic that a Dormio lynch isn't happening when at the same time you list CF7 and Zakeri. Both of whom also have 1 vote. And the Dormio vote wasn't even Sky. It was Serela!
Here we go again. Actiondan outright refusing to vote for Dormio. This even suggests he'd force an NL rather than have Dormio lynched for one matter. Fact is, Dormio has 2 votes. CF7, Zakeri and NNR at this point all have 1. These are not 'more viable' lynches.
Serela even calls this out.
And then there is this blatent lie. Dormio is the best chance you have of getting a lynch with who is left. Dormio has 2 votes. CF7 has 1.
Your Late Day 1 was basically a pack of lies about the 'viabilty' of lynches. You were also covering for Dormio, and honestly if you flip scum, I'd go after Dormio next.
I keep seeing people saying they are leaning scum on Zak for reasons but they are not quantifying those reasons.
Seeing as I'm a little confused as to what exactly people are seeing as scummy in Zakeri's actions [Nothing stands out like when I read Dan], can someone explain what's giving those opinions?
I'm bored but I don't want to stop posting in mafia yet.
And then there is this blatent lie. Dormio is the best chance you have of getting a lynch with who is left. Dormio has 2 votes. CF7 has 1.false (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1102067.html#msg1102067) action dan was the best chance at getting lynched, follow up was sky paladin. nnr dormio and cf7 were all tied. raikaria do you have anything else besides the fact that actiondan started the cf7 wagon?
I did agree with Raikaria's point that He had been completely disacknowledging Dormio as a wagon, but apparently Dan was really on the game with Dormio not actually being viable? There's a few things that add up, but nothing that points to a big reveal, so I'm kind of doubting the case against him here.Having abit of trouble trying to understand this. i saw you completely sheeping raikarias 83 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1101859.html#msg1101859) but after that i start to get confused. are you saying with dan voting cf7 over dormio means they are potential scum buddies if either of them flipped scum?
but there's precedence for him putting in a lot of effort as scumonly effort i saw as scum was him trying to spew meta logic in an anon game.
false (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1102067.html#msg1102067) action dan was the best chance at getting lynched, follow up was sky paladin. nnr dormio and cf7 were all tied. raikaria do you have anything else besides the fact that actiondan started the cf7 wagon?
No matter how many times you say "I really wish Zakeri was here and talking" I can't do that until I'm awake and have read the game.
And I do have something else. The fact Actiondan said 3~4 times not to vote Dormio. As I said, Serela called him out on it as well. Also there's the reason I was voting Actiondan ED1; when he patted CF7 on the back for making an absolutely awful case about 'Dormio is lurking' before we were even off Page 1, and basically told him to run with it.im not really going to roll with what happened on page one unless dan claimed scu....
I'm too tired to reread Dormio enough to re-evaluate but he's certainly improved over before (he'd do this if he was scum too but I don't have the brainpower to think about it right nowThis is the Dormio is scum but not scum sentence.
Okay actually no, re-looking over the part of SkyPal's post Bard just singled out is, yeah, just from that it's way better of a lynch than NNR or CF7.(Serela will later clarify that she meant Dormio, not Bard).
I would policy lynch Serela for being useless and also for tunneling Dormio most of the game. The vote was the laziest and she has done nothing to improve her vote except argue with Dormio.
I think Dormio is bad for focusing largely only on Serela's vote, when he could (and should) have drilled CF7 and ActionDan for their shitvotes. This inconsistency alarms me.
I thought Sky might suddenly turn into a viable wagon as a change of events, but if it doesn't then, yeah, I'm going to have to make my mind up about one of those three.This is consistent with a scum Serela wagon hopping all over the place, as she has done all game...and pre-ceded by her 'inb4 wagon hopping' comment. Sigh.
It's probably bad that I don't even try to refute SkyPaladin anymore.Discrediting other players arguments without actually addressing them in any way is scummy. It's a handwave. "Don't look at what this player is saying, they are an idiot."
This being said I'm not relating it to the situation at hand at all, and wow we have like 40 minutes left so is a SkyPal lynch seriously possible or? We need to consolidate.It's clear at this point that Serela wants Sky dead for non scum-hunting reasons.
tl;dr you're using this as an attack over me potentially doing something bad that I never actually did.The specific situation was 'inb4 wagon jumping'. Serela called Dormio out and said 'You should have waited until I had actually wagon jumped before voting and then you would have a case, but because you voted before I wagon jumped, there is no case'. It's not a catch 22; if Dormio had never voted then Serela may never have wagon jumped. Which is true. However...Serela has been caught wagon jumping a couple of times now, so does that justify players voting her now?
It's literally only a minute notch above a total jokevote so I didn't really care and did it anyway.So it is not actually a joke vote, then?
Seriously, it was a joke, because I've actually been doing that on purpose for a few games to make RVS stop
I was referencing stuff I've been doing in recent games and in one case have concrete evidence of having been blatantly self-awarely doing them in those games, is enough to null this argument >_>; (Then again, the one with evidence I was scum, but scum should have even less reason to care about ending rvs, not more)
Considering the fact that I've been consistently dominating town whenever I roll scum for the past long while
a lot of people have been saying we could lynch nnr, but I'm sorry, uhNobody had really been saying it. I think one person (maybe me?) mentioned it because he was afk.
I don't think this is enough to be able to declare someone lurking scummily and not just "oh well it was rvs and then I worked and slept (or vice versa)"and bam, people start thinking about lynching NNR.
and... oh wow wait he hasn't posted since page 1? yeah I mean it would have been effortless for scum to make a comment on what was going on at any point of page 2
After what nnr said yeah I guess a lurker lynch on him wouldn't be that terrible (At this point of the game if you have 5 minutes you can probably make an educated post) but, I'd still rather go down that path d2 instead and lynch someone else today.Pushing for a lynch but on day 2.
It's clear at this point that Serela wants Sky dead for non scum-hunting reasons.We had FOURTY MINUTES LEFT, iirc the other wagons (other than Dan who was and is townie) were still at like 1 vote each, and I still think the other wagons were really really meh. SkyPal's logic looked too strange so I interpreted it as "This seems more likely to come from scum than be a legitimate town thought" and voted on it. In retrospect, that's not very uncommon from SkyPal, but... I also still think the other wagons (e.g. CF7, NNR) were really, really meh.
The specific situation was 'inb4 wagon jumping'. Serela called Dormio out and said 'You should have waited until I had actually wagon jumped before voting and then you would have a case, but because you voted before I wagon jumped, there is no case'.Um no, that wasn't about wagon jumping, that was Dormio quoting the "do something stupid to end rvs" thing and saying I was going to use it as justification to do something scummy.
Nobody had really been saying it. I think one person (maybe me?) mentioned it because he was afk.I literally just got out of bed so I'm not checking this very hard right now, but if you were the only person who said it, then you must have said it a whole lot by then >_>; There's no way it had only been brought up once by then.
That's the first of three defences of NNR, by the way.Are you implying this is scummy? What the hell. A nnr lynch would have been awful and I am nowhere near the only person who said it was a non-option.
Pushing for a lynch but on day 2.Uh, duh. If NNR had still done almost nothing D2 then of course we would have lynched him. That's the point where it'd go into scummy lurking.
anyway I need to go do other things atm but I don't work today so I'll totally actually get around to scumhuntingh...how did that first sentence in this quote end up there
You also mixed up quotes about jokevote and about the "do something stupid" being a joke to make it look like I was contradicting myself, when I was talking about completely different things.
I get the feeling Serela's vote is more because I would policy lynch her for uselessness and tunneling than actually perceiving me as scummy.
Please also note that my apology to Dormio, earlier, directly matches the reason I said that Dormio was bad, here. That is to say, I think Dormio should have drilled CF7 and ActionDan as well as Serela.
This ends with Serela voting for me, this was in response to my targeting Serela, not Dormio, so for her to stick to that vote for 'reasons as stated earlier' makes me believe she is acting with a scum self-interest.
It's also past midnight but I'd just like to say that I'm not really liking Raikaria's more recent posts.
I don't like my more recent posts.
because we do consider chainsaw defending as a scum tell.It's not, I don't, and if most people do they shouldn't. It's only scummy if the related people flip scum. Even the mafia wiki page on chainsaw says that, after further research, they realized it doesn't make it any more likely they're scum unless that's the case.
It's better to make a case on another player that is more scummy than you.well it's best to do -both-, especially considering that often the reality is casing another player has already been done to the extent of the person's ability so you can't really do it any harder
I am not happy about the fact that we lynched CF7. Especially since it was following Actiondan. For example, a key part of Actiondan's case was a change in opinion on Dormio between #59 and #86.It's like, the fuck is this shit?
The thing is, this is 27 posts. That's only just less than half of what existed at the time of the first post. More than half when you take out the mod posts. Opinions and game state can change, especially when there is 50% more content.
and honestly if you flip scum, I'd go after Dormio next.I also really don't like this whole lining up lynches business.
Point still stands; CF7 was not the 'most viable' lynch. Sky was.I never knew that mafia was about trying to lynch whoever is "most viable" as opposed to whoever is "most scummy".
My head hurts looking at graphs and reading the handwriting. I'd argue that I did a pretty direct attack on Actiondan, but w/e.I also really, really don't like this.
Oh, I almost forgot.
Zakeri, were you role blocked?
I can't say one way or the other if I was roleblocked. I wasn't given a message, and I don't have a role that provides me with results. I do agree that if Bard roleblocked anyone it would have been me, though.
Actual post coming soon.
I'm in full agreement with Serela here. A Large part of my vote is actually in part Process of Elimination, which is strongly related to townies being allowed to defend townies. I know my casing on Sky is pretty bad, but I feel like it's the strongest of the ones I still feel like have a good chance of winding up scum.using the excuse of PoE to force a case on sky paladin is what im getting from this. actiondan lets take this guy down >:D
Like, it happens further as Raikaria tries to argue that Dan is so scummy for lynching CF7.
Raikaria ignores the other people that voted for CF7, the case on CF7, and the fact that he himself was saying that CF7 was bad for the lulz vote on me and never bothered to update this opinion.
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I also really don't like this whole lining up lynches business.
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Like, by doing this, you basically build a case to attack me instead of Dan today without actually building a case.
Again, are you that desperate for somewhere to put your vote?
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Raikaria's most recent posts don't make me happier either.I never knew that mafia was about trying to lynch whoever is "most viable" as opposed to whoever is "most scummy".
Raikaria's most recent posts don't make me happier either.I never knew that mafia was about trying to lynch whoever is "most viable" as opposed to whoever is "most scummy".
I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time.
I don't understand why you're trying to build a case like this.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that you are scum and therefore know that the people you are building cases on are not scum and are therefore looking for anything that even looks bad in order to make yourself look like you have a solid vote for the day.
1: CF7 started the wagon. He made the initial case. He actively lied and spouted nonsense about it to encourage people to consolidate on it. As I said before: Serela called him out on it as well D1.
1:(I'm assuming that your responses correlate to the lines you've quoted from me, feel free to correct me if you're referring to something else)CF7ActionDan started the wagon. He made the initial case. He actively lied and spouted nonsense about it to encourage people to consolidate on it. As I said before: Serela called him out on it as well D1.
2: Actiondan was actively defending you and discouraging people from voting you. It is perfectly reasonable to assume in that case that you have a good chance of being a scumbuddy.lel. I don't really think that there's anything for me to say here.
3: Wait what? I've already built my case on Dan. I've hardly even made a case on you except 'Dormio's not been that active and Dormio is being defended by Dan a lot'Are you even keeping track of your own post?
4: I'm half tempted to use one of your earlier laughing GIFs that you used on Sky here; but I'm too mature to sink to that level. This is a complete and utter misrep. I am not saying 'Actiondan is scum for pushing a lynch with less people on it.'. I am saying 'Actiondan is scum for constantly pushing lynch viability as the reason that others should switch to CF7, rather than using his own points, and ignoring the fact his lynch is NOT the most viable.'I am pretty sure that I'm not really understanding what you're saying here and I may have misunderstood the original premise.
Also this would explain Actiondan's vote on Dormio in RVS; followed by nudgeing CF7 to join the wagon so early; when he knew Dormio wouldn't be lynched. Set up a little bus early to throw them off.This is just paranoia. RVS isn't going to make anyone think anything >_>
Point still stands; CF7 was not the 'most viable' lynch. Sky was.
I never knew that mafia was about trying to lynch whoever is "most viable" as opposed to whoever is "most scummy".
I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time.
"Ermahgawd, Dormio is so scummy for chainsaw defending Dan right now! Those two must obviously be scum together!"
I'm pretty sure that this is going to be your response, so I'm going to say the following assuming that this is your response.
There will come a day when Shrine Maiden will lynch a player, not for the quality of their cases, but for their lack of content or failure to explain their vote
Are you saying that the CF7 lynch went through purely due to scaremongering from Dan?
Because I'm pretty sure that's not what happened and the fact that you're trying to use this as the crux of your case against Dan makes me think that your case is bullshit coming from scum.
Um no, that wasn't about wagon jumping, that was Dormio quoting the "do something stupid to end rvs" thing and saying I was going to use it as justification to do something scummy.I'm totally saying it was about wagon jumping, and even if it is not, I am now accusing you of wagon jumping. Perhaps it relates to the start of my post. What do you think?
You also mixed up quotes about jokevote and about the "do something stupid" being a joke to make it look like I was contradicting myself, when I was talking about completely different things.I don't understand. You did or did not jokevote or did or did not do something stupid, deliberately, to try to end RVS?
Serela, as stated: I think you town clear players who see you as town, and see players who think you are scum, as scum. I think you're allowing yourself to be manipulated by your emotions. It's not scummy, it's just a playstyle observation you may wish to reflect on.This is purely a coincidence. I actually haven't done basically any real scumhunting in this game and I'm floored that people are townreading me anyway, but that's beside the point. My reads in this game have no relation to the people's reads on myself, apart from maybe the fact that I'd think scum would be trying to mislynch me right now because holy shit. They'll probably do it tomorrow though, so whatever.
cleared changedclearly changed*
Dan, I'm not really interested in who you think is town or how bad somebody's case may be. I'm interested in who do you think is scum and why.
I'll note that you don't disagree that you have been defending players, only that the nature of the defence is not scummy.
Let's elucidate on why I think it is scummy.
#1 - It's easy for players to defend each other. It's harder to make a case. Anybody can defend anybody at any time, but it's harder for scum to make a case than town because scum have to lie at some point. Therefore, we value scum hunting and case analysis (and even case destruction)* over defending as towny effort.
#2 - Related to part 1, defending other players does not progress a case towards finding scum. It's a way to appear very busy and fake content. It's actually a non content post.
#3 - Defending another player is inherently anti-town as it promotes the idea that a specific player is valuable to another specific player. The easiest reason for that is that they are scum buddies. When we see players mutually defending each other (as you and Serela just did, when he stated you were town and continued to be so in his response to me), it's especially concerning.
#4 - Players are capable of defending themselves. If you do it for them, that player may not post at all, and we miss out a valuable chance to see their intent.
#5 - Defending other players often makes the defended player like the defending player, so they feel less inclined to make cases or lynch that player in the future. Scum know this and exploit it.
#6 - Excessive defending is known as buddying, and is often a scum tactic to get the defended player lynched should the defender flip at some point, when town looks back on interactions earlier in the game.
Your defence of Serela, for example, is a chainsaw defend because you are attacking my analysis of the data but didn't challenge the data itself by going to the referenced posts and disproving a point or two.
I'm pretty sure it is what happened. Dan kept refusing to vote for other people; encourageing people to vote CF7 by writing off at least equally-viable lynches as 'unviable' and we lynched the wrong person.
I disagree with about everything he concludes or otherwise even says.Naturally.
I think his town worth system is flawed and a useless exercise.I'll be interested to see post-game if this is so. I do agree it is flawed and inaccurate. It's just a paper based version, after all. I'll keep working on the software.
It's way more believable that Serela voted for you due to his stated reason of looking at Dormio's #139 and perceiving a contradiction in what Dormio highlighted in your post.I categorically disagree, because Serela explicitly stated in her 143 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1102052.html#msg1102052) that;
re-looking over the part of SkyPal's postWe know that Serela made her wagon hop/vote switch because of one of those two points.BardDormio just singled out is, yeah, just from that it's way better of a lynch than NNR or CF7
Concerning the 'I thought Sky might turn into a viable wagon,' that's in response to my post #152 which directly challenges the viability of your wagon D1. It's like an addendum instead of what it looks like when you present it in juxtaposition with the above, which is an entirely different reason. Of course your complaint is 'evidence for scum vote hopper' which is a complete non-issue.You said this;
Firstly you have labeled a section "Scummy defends" which is obvious from your point value system but the key is why do you have defense as scummy?I believe certain types of defends are scummy, e.g. mutual defends, blanket defends, excessively targeted defends, wifom defends ("I think player xyz is town because (wifom)) etc etc. I covered this in better detail in #235. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1102971.html#msg1102971)
Second at least for my case it seems the math is wrong since you have me as "pressuring" NNR and Zak once each but defending Dormio 5 times Serela once, so it should be 2-6 = -4 instead of -1Pressuring is a towny action because it invites investigation of both the pressed player and the player applying the pressure.
Third, what makes you think scum wouldn't apply "attacks" or "pressure" or in equal measure as any townie, they have an agenda to mislynch people which necessitates both these things.
Forth, despite defending Dormio 5 times which apparently stunned you, the most crucial "defense" I have made was yours at the end of D1 which basically led to you not getting lynched. Was it scummy of me to defend you? You tell me.Yes. It was scummy to defend me (and Dormio). However, since the lynch was apparently going to be you unless you did something, anything you did to get out of it is excusable.
One of the best indicators is the amalgamation of the RVS votes which indeed are trivial and a waste of space.A trivial analysis of past Shrine Maiden games shows that scum often vote for each other, or players who voted for their scumbuddies. The last five games -
Nothing really about me or Zak despite stating that you're leaning Zak as scum and the cliffs notes in 191 don't stand for much since their purpose is limited to tabulation.
A Large part of my vote is actually in part Process of EliminationExplain how your POE leads to me?
Just going to put it out there that I still haven't read Sky Palladium's posts and I'm probably not going to.You should probably at least read the post where I apologised to you.
Sky Palladium's bullshit interactions chart which he himself has stated as arbitrary.<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 I knew you just couldn't keep yourself away from me.
At least I'm waging a war against bad logic, but, if you pay any attention it should be p.clear I haven't done basically any scumhunting.I'm well aware of it which is why I flagged you for minimal content x___x. Why so gloatful about it?
Raikaria and SkyPal repeatedly use logic that is just wrong, or at least kind of weird, in order to reach their conclusions.It's cool, you use logic I don't understand, but different logic isn't scummy. The thing I am looking for, more than logic, is intent and consistency. If I can follow your train of thought, even if I disagree with it, I can eat least walk in your footsteps and see how you reached that position. When people make sudden jumps that I can't follow or come to a conclusion not supported by their train of thought, or behave in ways that are harmful to the team, I have to question the motive for that inconsistent or unexpected behavior.
You are a P.O.E candidateExplain how?
So I kind of divide our 'factions' up as Serela, Dan, and Dormio. Then there's Rai, Sky, and Rawr. Zak kind of sits in the middle. I imagine scums are actually one in the Serela/Dan/Dormio split, and the other one in the Rai/Sky/Rawr camp.ill answer your question later because e3 and i would need to think it over but how did you come to this conclusion of these 2 parties and at least one scum being in both?
Dan and Rawr, if we lynched Zak and he flipped green, what would you think?these kind of questions kinda turn me off but w/e. Id probably have to go for serela do to the fact that he hasnt done particularly much this game at all. I see him all game justifying peoples actions and just explaining things but nothing that adds potential content which could help us find scum. serela could just be lynch bait for lylo but id go for it
No.
Concrete suspicion of Cf7 was established by Me [Scum], Bard [Dead], and Dormio [Scum].
Okay, I see a Zakeri lynch is probably not going to fly considering how many people voice their objections to it. I guess the curse of being unpersuasive continues.
I agree with ActionDan that we should be looking to CF7 and NNR, buuuut... I'd consider lynching Sky Paladin, too, actually.
CF7 is a decent lynch because he's lacked to make distinctions and seems to pick scumpicks for nebulous and vague reasons. Proposing that someone on Dormio's wagon is scum proposes that Dormio is town, and while that in itself is OK, it isn't OK to just jump on the easiest target with no distinction in any direction. His own logic also states he must be scum. Wouldn't be the first time scum's cheeky.
Actually, I think I just sold myself on being happy to vote Sky Paladin over CF7.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin
Also from what I can gather Sky thinks Dan/Serela is a potential thing too. I still don't think Serela is more probable scum than Dan, but hey, look, Dan defending people again instead of actually making cases.
Yes enough.
That's ok you're scum and lying about every last thing I do. I understand
And yes, I think from your opinions on me and Zakeri that you are more confident that I am scum than Zakeri.
I'm calling your bluff. Vote me. Go on. Stick yours and Dormio's necks out by both pushing the on the same townie mislynch a second time. Because it's pretty clear you're more confident that 'I'm Scum' than Zakeri. You even outright said that I am scum just now. Put your vote where your mouth is, or are you scared of revealing yourself by leading a second mislynch?
I don't care if I'm mislynched if it reveals the scum. I'm a VT.
I'll lynch you after Zakeri. Wait until then
If your only motivation to post is to post drivel and constantly, and I mean constantly, misrepresent my posts, label me scum uncritically, and be altogether recalcitrant, I have nothing more to think than you being scum sticking your heels in the mud. Today I would happily lynch either you or Zakeri.
If your only motivation to post is to constantly evade my questions
But hey, it seems other people want Zakeri dead, and not me. I'm the harder target.im pretty hard to but i dont go bragging about it.
Unless your talking about that one quip 'but if CF7 is not town what does that make him? hurrrr' than I've evaded no questions of yours.
Care answering why Zakeri is more pressing than me to you?
Definitely stupid (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1103119.html#msg1103119)
I also really don't like this whole lining up lynches business.This doesn't work, because 1. Dan would have to flip scum first, which if Rai was scum would require a sacrifice, and 2. Rai would still have to make a case on you based on the flip and restate it.
Like, by doing this, you basically build a case to attack me instead of Dan today without actually building a case.
Like, why are you trying to justify yourself in regards to Sky Palladium's bullshit interactions chart which he himself has stated as arbitrary.Is this a thing? Are you calling Raikaria out as scum for trying to analyze and discuss information that somebody else put out?
Mafia isn't a game that you can puzzle out like that, who would bother playing if it were?
However, you are acknowledging it.
You are still failing to account for the actual case on CF7. For example, mine.I don't feel like the fact that other people had reasons to vote CF7 would retroactively fix the fact that someone started the wagon with bad reasons.
Are you saying that the CF7 lynch went through purely due to scaremongering from Dan?
I think that's incorrect. In the game where Schezo cop-gambitted NNR, I'd picked out the masons pair as scum buddies. If it's possible to pick up partners in crime, then you should absolutely do it.This doesn't work at all. In that game, you picked out mason pairs because masons aren't actively trying to hide the fact that they are connected, which is something Scum always have in mind. Masons will never attempt to bus each other, and in fact they may be trying to drop hints that they are connect because if one of them dies, the other can get cleared and never be lynched.
Explain how your POE leads to me?Well, I had narrowed it down to Dan, You, and Dr. Rawr/NNR. Rawr had nothing to pressure as of yet, and I wasn't certain about Dan's case until after the beginning of this post, so I thought I would try my hand at making a case on you.
Zak, if you lynched me and I flip green, what would you think?That I'm having a real bad run this game, which to be honest I already am.
##Unvote: Sky Paladin
##Vote: ActionDan
Sky Paladin (1): Zakerilel
She straight out stated she was using tactics she has used as scumThe context in which this is being used is so absolutely BS that I'm going to seriously
you'll happily lynch two players when you haven't actually done any hunting of your own, and are allowing your opinions to be completely manipulated by Dan.I'm asking if a counterwagon would even exist. I'm not explicitly saying I'm going to lynch them. It's kind of nice to know if any other choice EVEN EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE though, you know? Normally when you don't have damning evidence the lynch isn't one-and-done. And uh, since when are my opinions being manipulated by Dan? I'm not looking towards Dan's posts for anything more than making sure he's still town.
(No I'm not lynching dan)Why not? :<
I think a Raikaria lynch is viable.
speaking of pressure, I don't think Dan actually answered my question about the difference between CF7's mind change and why he saw it as scummy compared to other players who have done the same type of mind change in shorter time spans.
That I'm having a real bad run this game, which to be honest I already am.
At this point I'm going to switch gears and ##Unvote: Sky Paladin
##Vote: ActionDan
I think I'm starting to agree with the fact that his vote and wagon start on CF7 was too forced. His only real reason for voting CF7 was the fact that he backed down on his vote on Dormio after Dan had encouraged him to make it, and Dan has shown in later posts that he was able to forgive blatant contradiction (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16951.msg1102062.html#msg1102062) in peoples posts on account of them being allowed to change their minds. Basically he's forced out logic that he doesn't believe in to get CF7 lynched.
I don't blame Sky for voting me earlier, since two hours is kind of a long time to wait for a post.
ActionDan (2): Raikaria, Zakeri L-2
Raikaria (2): Dormio, Serela L-2
Zakeri (2): Dr Rawr, ActionDan L-2
The Short of it is that I feel like Raikaria's case makes more sense, and that it's true that a majority of Dan's arguments against CF7 were just wagon urgings and a few points that look good but don't flow together. I don't see what the difference is that made CF7's mind change unacceptable when Sky's was. For the record, I think both of those shifts in thought were reasonable town reactions, and I feel like CF7's was more reasonable because it was a standard paranoia reaction to seeing a wagon grow so fast. Stating that logically it doesn't make sense doesn't work because human feeling doesn't always have to coincide with logic, and even if you did adhere to that, Sky's switch would be even worse because the logic was headbutting up against itself, rather than CF7's switch. I feel like Dan's decided it arbitrarily, and it was the only real point Dan had against CF7.
I was really indecisive end of d2 so I just went ahead and let Raikaria get hammered via not hammering Zak myself >_>; I guess it was likely the wrong decision, huh?
Hi Rawr you're clearly 100% town amiright?
Please shower us with your pristine thoughts on this game you were clearly following all along
Oh wow cut by Dormio being a thing. Uh. I'm inclined to go with it, thank goodness Sky wasn't the cop because I'd have just lynched him if he tried it >_>; But I'll think things over somewhat while I wait to see other reactions, just to make sure I'm not missing some weird contradiction.
Anyway I'm pretty sure at this point that it's clear Dan is town.I have a cop result saying otherwise.
I have a cop result saying otherwise.Well obviously one of you is lying, so.
im not even going to humor a sky paladin lynch for the rest of this gamewhich he repeated a couple of times, which pretty much heavily crumbed he was a cop who had cleared me on night 1, and scum hit him thinking he was the cop. I even thought he was the cop. If I was a doc, I would have covered Rai night 1 and Rawr night 2. It was obvious. I assume Rawr did it to buy a hit away from the real roled townies.
CF7 and Bardiche are town.
Raikaria - a little more townish than null
Serela/Dormio/Sky - null/undecided.
NNR - theoretically null but I'm surprised he hasn't posted more so acceptable lurker lynch to me.
Zak - somewhat scummier than null but not more than a tinge
2 people (me and Bard) believe Zak is scummy.
What is your reasoning for trusting Dan's word over Dormio's wordThey were both townreads, but now that I know one is false- after reviewing them properly I decided Dan is definitely the townread I trust more. I'd be really, really surprised if Dan flipped scum- it wouldn't be so much if Dormio flipped scum, even though I would have thought him to be moreso town until these shenanigans happened.
Scum teams can only be Dormio and Zakeri, or Serela and Dan.Granted, all it takes to remove SkyPal's quick reasoning to disprove Dan/Zak scumteam is Dan bussing Zakeri d2, which is definitely not impossible, but- given I already am more more inclined to think Dan is town over Dormio, yeah. (Doing beyond disproving to showing that it's actually likely is a different matter entirely, for that matter- Dorm/Zak scumteam makes more sense through interactions)
A little concerned to see alleged cop!Dan not auto-votingDoes it really matter?
He didn't know Dan was the copIt's confirmed that scum have a rolecop, you know...
Dan, the trouble is that you've towncleared/defended so many players, I can't accept your 'crumb', because at this point you could basically go back and say "oh yeah here is where I town cleared this person" for almost anybody. Also, you're not the only one who said it.
Rawr which he repeated a couple of times, which pretty much heavily crumbed he was a cop who had cleared me on night 1, and scum hit him thinking he was the cop. I even thought he was the cop. If I was a doc, I would have covered Rai night 1 and Rawr night 2. It was obvious. I assume Rawr did it to buy a hit away from the real roled townies.
Anyway, why did you check NNR night 1 instead of Zakeri? On day 1 you said:
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Serela, if you're town, I want you to consider that up until this point in the game, you've believed everything Dormio and Dan have said. Now one of them is definitely scum, so everything you've believed so far has been wrong. Conversely, the people in my 'camp' - the ones you've wanted dead - Raikaria, Rawr, have both flipped town. If you believe Dan, Dormio and Zak are scum, and I am therefore town.
I'll bet if we had lynched Zak yesterday, regardless of his flip, Dan and Serela would still be willing to run up Raikaria for a lynch today, because you're still willing to flip Zak without having considered anything at all about Dan's interactions with players who are now confirmed town before coming to your 'decision' to trust Dan over Dormio.
What is your reasoning for trusting Dan's word over Dormio's word, when up until now you were sure they were the only two players who were definitely town?
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Zak, what are your thoughts?
I decided I should lynch the guy I am scumreading rather than talk myself out of it like I did in the other game. Of course, now Dormio will be scum, so damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Dormio has at least been consistent, if not very helpful, but I want to believe that his .gif from Face Off was totally crumbing cop.
Also I can't see a realistic scenario where scum!Dormio would gambit a fake guilty. He didn't know Dan was the cop and Rawr had crumbed it just as heavily; if he had gambitted on Dan, and one of Serela or I had been the cop, he would be dead straight away. The real cop would countervote, the guy he was accusing would countervote, and that's before any arguments. Dormio wasn't a lynch candidate for today; it was always going to be ActionDan or Serela, because everybody knows I thought that Zakeri was town due to the Raikaria flip.
##vote ActionDan
Well that's either GG or see you next phase for another episode of Let's Lynch Serela.
but admits in the same point that scummy activity is still scummy - which is a weird half-stance to takeThis would have been a misrep anyway, I never said Dan's activity was scummy- I just meant that even if Dan's being active for once and that seems gloriously town, IF his content is scummy then yeah; it's followed by looking over Dan's content and deciding it wasn't
It's confirmed that scum have a Roleclop, you know...But I was roleblocked Day one. :v
This would have been a misrep anyway, I never said Dan's activity was scummy- I just meant that even if Dan's being active for once and that seems gloriously town, IF his content is scummy then yeah; it's followed by looking over Dan's content and deciding it wasn'tThat wasn't what I meant, I was trying to portray it as a sort of "I'm choosing to look at Dan on an Artificial level so I can say he's town without having an actual reason." I don't think your post actually stated that you thought his content was not scummy, but since it was ambiguous, it made for a really good point of attack.
I'll look into it later tomorrow after I sleep. I still have to look over who of Sky or Serela is Dan's partner, which I'm not really looking forward to, especially since Dormio will be the NK if we lynch Dan.
Dormio wasn't a lynch candidate for today; it was always going to be ActionDan or Serela, because everybody knows I thought that Zakeri was town due to the Raikaria flip.
Not only that, but it's probably detrimental to get into scumpair theroies. One of my most successful scum games, I had paired myself up with Serela and buddied with him really hard, and my actual scum buddy has decided to wagon against Serela and buddy up with another townie. The Lylo ended with 2 out of five people voting for the Townies were buddies up with instead of me or my scumbuddy - Scum can weaponize scumpair theories very easily.
also yeah, getting a tic-tac-toe on the board would have been an autowin, but I ignored all questions on it because I didn't want you guys to ignore scumhunting for the tic-tac-toe. If the tic-tac-toe happened to coincidentally occur as a side effect of scumhunting or nightkilling then it would be funnier, after all.I thought you would have o set up for a win and make x make a stupid move if a scum was lynched. I didn't think anyone controlled that board at all???
I thought you would have o set up for a win and make x make a stupid move if a scum was lynched. I didn't think anyone controlled that board at all???
no it was the part about having to think about which of Serela/Sky was my buddy. It had to be Serela. town!Zak = Scum!Dan = Cop!Dormio = Innocent!Sky.I completely forgot about the other result Dormio claimed until this post.
You might not have thought of that if you were scum immediately
dan couldnt have been more obvtown i dont know how anyone thought he was scum this game ???
Not sure how town screwed up LY... oh wait Serela was town and alive.
Also Zakeri basically won the game by lurking, and town mostly killed itself. As per usual.I felt like I went through a transformation at the end of day 2, where I actually fought and voted to keep myself alive instead of just lurking through my own lynch.
also dormio's scumtell is that he's a complete ass for no reason :VMore like this has just been happening more since I starting playing DotA.
yeah for fuck's sake serela was on-point this lylo, dont be a jerkIt was kind of hilarious when Dan pointed out my initial reaction to Dormio and I went "Oh that was just because... because..." and then realized the critical thinking part of my brain really does tend to turn off inexplicably in lylo and lead to me accidentally throwing the situation. Biggest example:Diablo Mafia, when scum!Shadoweh tried to hammer and super-derp-failed because of halved votepower and then I hammered for her.
Bard's in particular.
it's pretty uncommon for me to get lynchedthis can be fixed