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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: BT on November 11, 2013, 05:00:32 AM

Title: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: BT on November 11, 2013, 05:00:32 AM
Justice Juice Mafia

SEE FIRST THREAD FOR SUPER-IMPORTANT STORYTELLING. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.0.html)

Bog Standard Rules:

1) This is a game of mafia. In games of mafia you point fingers in the game thread and there alone, unless otherwise stated.
2) Each day has one lynch. Vote with ##Vote. Remove votes with ##Unvote. The majority vote gets lynched and flipped, thus ending the day.
3) Each night has one factional kill. The scumteam may choose a target to kill and if the kill is successful the target will be killed and flipped when the night is over.
4) Editing or deleting posts in the thread is banned.
5) Quoting any private communication directly is banned.

Iffy Arguable Rules:

11) Talk is allowed in the thread until (and including) twilight, after a hammer vote was cast. NO talk is allowed during nighttime. Dead people and non-players can post as long as what they say isn't game-related.
12) Days last 72 hours and nights last 24 hours. LYLO/MYLO gets no special deadline extension. No phase gets any special deadline extension. LYLO/MYLO is announced.
13) The scum QT is available at all times. Dead teammates may poke their heads inside but no game-related talk.
14) Whoever sends in the scum nightkill can't use any other action during that night.
15) No Lynch is a legal vote and No Lynch is a legal outcome. No majority means No Lynch. I will not be picky with unvotes so don't expect to win through pedantic stupidity.
16) Don't even think about discussing flavor. It's purposefully nonsensical and you won't find anything there. "Rocky Rock" is a plausible nameclaim as far as you're concerned.
17) When I say "flip" I mean full Role PM. Expect nothing to be ommited aside from the obvious.
18) This game's ~*~thing~*~ is the effort bar. It looks something like this. (this totally isn't recycled, at all) (http://i.imgur.com/EYRbp8p.png) Each 24 hours during the day automatically add 400 words to your personal bar. Each word in a post (I can ignore posts that abuse this) erases a word from the bar. The bar doesn't go negative. If you hit over 800 words, you're replaced. If you hit over 1200 words, you're modkilled. You generally shouldn't be worried about this rule if you plan on playing the game.
19) Taking note of the rule before this one, replacements should be ready to jump in immediately if/when they're needed.
20) This game is closer to Vanilla in the Vanilla-Rolemadness scale. This game is not bastard.

Stupidity Aesthetics:

21) Maroon is my color. Don't steal.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (NIGHT 3)
Post by: BT on November 11, 2013, 05:00:41 AM
Alive: [5/12]
1. Sky_Paladin
2. Darkninjaabc
5. CF7 NekoNekoRex
8. Dormio
12. Polaris

Plucked Before Prime: [8/13]
0. Raikaria - Admiral Apple - Vanilla Town - Killed N0
3. Serela - Bushido Banana - Town Best Pal - Lynched D1
4. SB - Omnipresent Onion - Town Restless Spirit - Killed N1
11. Shadoweh - Gluttonous Guava - Vanilla Town - Lynched D2
6. Cheez8 - Peril Pear - Vanilla Town - Lynched D3
10. Kilgamayan - Amorphous Avocado - Town Tracker - Killed N3
7. Validon98 - Turbo Tomato - Mafia Two-shot Ninja - Lynched D4
9. PX Mitsuki BigBangMeteor - Durable Durian - Town Doctor - Killed N4
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Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (NIGHT 3)
Post by: BT on November 12, 2013, 04:47:37 AM
You wake up to the loudest and most obnoxious sound imaginable:

LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LYLO LY--

And then it stopped. Must have been the alarm clock again. You realize this after trampling on Kilgamayan's body a few times. He was:

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Kilgamayan! You're Amorphous Avocado. You may find it hard to figure out what you actually are considering you keep changing appearances indifferently. It's a gift, though, as you're renowned as a shapeshifting genius, tripping up the most cautious of foes. No evildoer can escape your gaze - they're not aware of it to begin with.

Your role is Town Tracker. Pick your favorite shady individual for the night and you'll follow them without being caught, revealing any superplant they may have visited.

You win when all evildoers are eliminated.

Votecount 4.1

Not Voting: (7) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Dormio, BigBangMeteor, Polaris

Day 4 lasts 72 hours and requires a majority of 4 votes to lynch. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131115T07&p0=110&msg=Day+4)

Quote from: bars
NekoNekoRex - 651
Validon98 - 587
Darkninjaabc - 431
BigBangMeteor - 400
Polaris - 400
Dormio - 400
Sky_Paladin - 400
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 04:53:01 AM
blah

I'm Town Doctor. Mitsuki targeted Sky on N2 and I tried targeting Kilga but my action failed. Also FMPOV this basically confirms scumteam as Validon/Polaris/Dormio because I can't see scum benefit for NNR in saying that me/Kilga are same alignment if both of us are town- only if one of us is scum. Except Kilga has flipped town and I know I am.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 04:54:11 AM
Oh I guess DNA could be scum. I might actually have to reconsider that read because as it stands Rolecop + Tracker + pseudo-Cop is a lot of investigation for a mostly Vanilla 12p game...
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 04:56:44 AM
yeah dormio/darkninja/validon are the only three left via process of elimination <_>

would like to hear results from nnr i guess, like if kilga died and you were roleblocked then nnr should have delicious, delicious results for us
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:00:59 AM
Mitsuki and Sky Paladin are now confirmed town, bar a Godfather
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:02:44 AM
I actually was going to scan Dark but I decided to scan Sky at the last minute instead
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:03:34 AM
Hey, look, it's LYLO.

##Sweeten Dormio
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:05:24 AM
Also, assuming that NNR is really a pseudo-cop, then that leaves.

1. Sky_Paladin
2. Darkninjaabc
5. CF7 NekoNekoRex
7. Validon98
8. Dormio
9. PX Mitsuki BigBangMeteor
12. Polaris

Since it's LYLO, hello scumteam.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:08:13 AM
Hey, look, it's LYLO.

##Sweeten Dormio
Oh I remembered it wrong.

##Sugarcoat Dormio
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:08:45 AM
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So I am here

I like brownies

In fact I ate so many that I am currently experencing  a sugar buss the liked of which no man has ever experiencedc

I had gut on kilga but to be honest I only skimmed like half the thread, I do better when I'm actually in the muck of things

I will be back when I am done being the hyperest thing on te plante
Quote
DNA you are analyzing THE SHIT out of these posts way too hard, you seriously need to look at a bigger picture and not sound the alarm every time someone does something slightly weird, like use an odd color or use a weird term.

Like, I could ask Kilga on his opinion of brown bears and I bet he would see it as some silly codeword for "DAYVIG THE GUY" instead of realizing that I could just post in the Scum QT if we were buddies.
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Hey Kilga if a tree falls on a brown bear alone in the woods, does the Pope's hat still look funny?
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Mitsuki Is not on yet, but I want to see her reaction to my results as well.

Before, I noted Cheez's lack of scumhunting as well, mostly for the fact he didn't have a vote for most of D2. He's #2 on my threatdown.

Reads on Validon are still town to me for the reasons I stated on D2. To be fair, relying on a read that is based on a single reaction isn't too reliable though, so I'll have to keep a close eye on him to see if my opinion sours. I liked Dormio's content, what he could put out, and my gut reads him as town.

On my top scumread, SP is still the #1 threat in my opinion. His Late D2 was really ringing alarm bells, especially with getting wishy-washy on Shadoweh ...which is followed by today's QOTD:
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I'm pretty shocked that Shadoweh turned out to be town.
he once again plays up the "Oops! Townie!" reaction again, which is even stranger with his soured gut posts from yesterday. "Oops! Townie!" should reaffirm he really wanted Shadoweh dead, when his lasts posts were reconsidering. Do you want his head? Do you want to reconsider? Make up your mind. Not even going to go into the point that he was asking Mitsuki to reconsider the null read on Shadoweh in the same hour.

While his hilariously wild misconceptions that I was "defending" Shadoweh are also pretty silly, especially considering I actually went to say he was scum when I actually got around to reading him.

Not as major, but it irks me just a bit how he readily dropped me and my soft-clears after my claim, considering how much he was against me on D2.

another random thing
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Some people have said 'Why is Sky pushing Shadoweh?' because I didn't give a clear case before.  I thought that if I did this, it would also give Shadoweh a good opportunity to deliver a solid rebuttal
this is also... really bad and a really poor excuse. You didn't put solid reasoning on your initial Shadoweh vote so that she could... defend herself and get redemption? I'm not sure what to think of this. Would gut a lot scummier if Shadoweh flipped scum, but I don't like how he really plays up the Shadoweh Remorse card while hunting his head.

overall, along with my d2 case, signs point to Paladin being scum. I could quote more stuff but he really reads kinda like Dark does by default: A crazy conspiracy theorist who makes up wild claims to accuse people of being scum.
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I know it would be super-bad for doc to put themselves in danger but it would also be pretty cool to learn the identity of two townies. I'll let the doc gauge the risks and decide for themselves though. Actually, would the person who was attacked and saved have noticed it? I'm not familiar with whether or not it works that way around here.
uhhh... is this rolefishing? I can't make it out, to be honest. Doc saves usually do not get informed if they were attacked, although BPs sometimes do if they limited charges.

reaction from Kilga to my reveal very much reinforces my belief that him and Mitsuki are town and not scumbuddies. If he were scum I would have expected him to be much less hesitant to accept a softclear.

btw: I did crumb my role quite a lot on D2, if anyone has to ask. I won't reveal all my details. I do like to think I'm in a very solid position if the need arises, however.
I'm a colorblind cop. I get an alignment color of whoever I scan, but I don't know which color is which. Same color = same alignment.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 05:09:57 AM
Is that supposed to be some sort of day action?

So basically NNR is Dormio
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:12:46 AM
Is that supposed to be some sort of day action?
You'll see soon enough that I'm made of sugar and spice and everything nice now!

Also, now that I think about it this certainly does put some more light onto how eager Polly-kun was to get rid of Selery as fast as possible.
I mean, it's got to be really annoying to have a scum vote missing, huh?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 05:14:55 AM
also waiting for results from darkninja
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:19:16 AM
ok what the hell? if dormio is going to become mod-confirmed town then i don't know what's going on anymore
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:19:59 AM
I kinda wonder why no action was taken against me last night though

Kinda irks me that my result went through
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:22:35 AM
Also, now that I think about it this certainly does put some more light onto how eager Polly-kun was to get rid of Selery as fast as possible.
I mean, it's got to be really annoying to have a scum vote missing, huh?

also dormio, don't say stupid things like this based on dumb role-based poe >_>
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:23:50 AM
Can't change the truth. ~♪
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:24:52 AM
but it isn't even truth ?_?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 05:27:04 AM
I kinda wonder why no action was taken against me last night though

Kinda irks me that my result went through
I considered protecting you but I realized that if the mafia killed you that would just confirm me and Kilga as town, and Sky along with me. And they probably realized I was Doctor and hooked me accordingly, because otherwise I could have blocked their kill, and would have too if they'd hooked you and still killed Kilga. And then that would also have confirmed me/Kilga/Sky.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:33:30 AM
ok well I don't really have a choice but to wildly speculate if all the information presented is true:

sky paladin might be scum. he could be a godfather, and scum might have chosen to no-kill on night 2. darkninja is the one who brought up the point that scum could have no-killed to prevent useful information for a flip, so it's possible that he chose to no-kill for that very reason to try and implicate kilga if possible. plus, i don't know why sky paladin would be a good kill target in the first place?

like i don't even know anymore
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:40:14 AM
Well, I think I know.

##Vote Polaris

I mean, we just lynch down Polaris, Validon, and Darkninja and win.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:41:48 AM
Personally, I don't think that there would be a godfather with the relatively weaker cop so it's pretty cut and dry.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:42:05 AM
dormio you unvote me right this instant

i swear

lynch someone else first
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:43:04 AM
lynch validon or someone else first, nnr can cop me tonight so that you guys stop blindly trusting cop results
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:44:37 AM
like stop trying to even lead the town when the mod hasn't even confirmed you yet
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
seriously dormio you're not even thinking properly right now
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:46:42 AM
WHY WOULD YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH ME FIRST
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 05:48:22 AM
Yeah I would rather lynch Validon over Polaris, and I would even rather not vote at all in LYLO until we're sure what we're doing.

I don't see why the mafia would no-kill on N2. That doesn't implicate Kilga at all, and as they didn't know the Doc, they couldn't have known that Sky would be protected and that it would give him towncred as scum.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 05:49:02 AM
but I think Polaris might be scum anyways because lol taking darkninja's advice
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:49:20 AM
Lynch someone else... So that you can do that thing where you totally kill NNR or something right?
Was roleblocking what you got out of having a shared vote with Selery?

like stop trying to even lead the town when the mod hasn't even confirmed you yet
Huh? I don't get confirmed by the mod, I get something much more interesting.

WHY WOULD YOU EVEN WANT TO LYNCH ME FIRST
Because it doesn't really matter all that much, lol.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:50:49 AM
Scum is denying us every flipinfo and rely on their skills alone. Isnt it then obvious at least one scun would act superprotown? Eithet they have aome other way to secure a sure win this day, which is very likelt. And nothing else isvpossible.

There arw just too goddamn many variables which is bull.

well this is what darkninja says

if he is, in fact, scum, then i'd say it's not an impossibility
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:51:29 AM
dormio if you aren't going to get confirmed by the mod then you are literally scum right now for voting me
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:52:39 AM
ugh i forgot about the roleblocker, i was sure that if BBM protected NNR then we can have one more safe result into the next day
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:53:15 AM
Why?
I didn't realize that voting for scum made me scum too.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:53:58 AM
because i'm not scum and you're literally not thinking in a lylo situation
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:54:42 AM
Trying to salvage your attempt to save yourself by claiming you forgot there was a roleblocker when BBM mentioned it literally seconds before, huh?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:55:01 AM
YOU'RE COMPLETELY SET TO MISLYNCH ME WITH BARELY ANY REASON WHATSOEVER OTHER THAN "LOL ROLES" AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN GIVING ANY CONSIDERATION THAT I COULD BE TOWN. IN A LYLO SITUATION. WHAT THE HELL DORMIO
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:55:45 AM
But it's LYLO in 7P so unless NNR is scum or something stupid like that, there's literally no problem.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 05:58:23 AM
well go and make a case on me instead of using stupid confirmation bias based on roles. like actually look at my posts.

of course with the way this game has happened, you're pretty much going to ISO me and b/s a case with stupid points like sky paladin so ugh
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 05:59:30 AM
I like how you're basically undermining any course of action for me to take while making it look like you're being super totally awesome or something. :derp:
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:00:03 AM
but really I don't know how dormio could be THIS stupid as town so I'm pretty sure he's scum going for his easy win by trying to mislynch me instead of lynching one of his scumbuddies first
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
especially with that godforsaken arrogant attitude that is absolutely pathetic
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:00:56 AM
lol?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:01:29 AM
I guess we are resorting to ad-hominems now?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:02:23 AM
no i'm just insulting you
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
Oki doki.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:04:17 AM
well I guess if you ARE scum then I can't be quicklynched unless there is some town stupid enough to vote for me at this current situation so i guess it's not that big of a deal
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:05:50 AM
More like you can't be quicklynched because scum won't ever vote for you.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:06:32 AM
ha ha.

and if you're town then you'll never have my respect again so whatever
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:07:32 AM
lol.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:09:20 AM
I think we should try to figure out who the scum RB is.

ABC is obvscum at this point (would also be a good idea to lynch him), I don't see why town would have three info roles, and he's claimed every day that he's been roleblocked.

They likely also have a strongman or else they would have just killed BBM if they knew he was a doc.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:10:28 AM
Actually scratch that, I don't think there is a scum RB or else they would have used it on the obvious town psuedocop, and not the doc who they blocked instead of killing for ???? reasons.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:11:48 AM
where the hell is BT? I thought something was going to happen when Dormio did that day action.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:13:18 AM
Well the scums is obviously Darkninjaabc/Validon98/Polaris.

I'm betting that the one doing the roleblocks is Polly-kun.
I mean, just look at how he wanted to get the lynch onto anyone else at all a little bit earlier.

@NNR: BBM said that his action to target Kilga failed. Pretty sure that there's a roleblocker somewhere.
Also, no clue where BT is.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BT on November 12, 2013, 06:19:01 AM
In the middle of a class, impatient scums. Anyway a power has been activated. Someone can take care of votecounts if they're needed.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:20:18 AM
Why would they block BBM and-

Hmmm, I think I got this.

Assuming they knew Kilga and BBM's roles, they killed Kilga to get rid of an info role, and blocked BBM to prevent the kill

I still just wonder why they didn't kill me. Maybe because they were uncertain of my role?

This rolespec is pointless, I guess.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:28:29 AM
You know who Polaris reminds me of? Conq from last game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:36:21 AM
conq also had legit reason to complain since he was basically being accused of scum for literally no real reason, so i'm not surprised.

the difference is that i'm actually not scum so i will be completely justified in never playing mafia again after i flip town
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:39:54 AM
that is, comparing me to conq is a terrible reason to say that i'm scum because conq wasn't even faking it, he was legitimately angry, and so am I, so ugh.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 06:41:32 AM
NNR, killing you would have been dumb because then it would have confirmed me/Kilga/Sky all as town anyways, plus Tracker results from Kilga, though idk if the mafia knew he was Tracker or not.

I guess the fact that Polaris hasn't been quickhammered yet means that either he or Dormio are confirmed scum? Though I guess it's possible all the scum haven't come on yet.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:43:34 AM
yeah half the game hasn't come online yet so don't confirm anyone as scum >_>

but if anyone else votes me in the next 24 hours before any sort of agreement then you should probably lynch them to death because that would be confirmed scum
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:48:04 AM
what are we supposed to be waiting for now in terms of Dormio's power? are we waiting for BT to give us more info or Dormio to actually use the power

and if so, why hasn't Dormio used it yet >_>
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:50:09 AM
We were waiting?
I've already used it.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 06:52:23 AM
what did it do?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 06:56:17 AM
Coats me in sugar.
In other words, not much.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:58:23 AM
let me guess, it's a one-shot vote modifier that changes your vote in a way that justifies why you're haphazardly voting me when it's lylo
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 12, 2013, 06:59:45 AM
don't respond to that because it's the only hope i have left
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 12, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
~♪
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 08:28:17 AM
I was afk for half the day because I was work.  I was privately hoping I would get killed overnight because then I wouldn't have to face up to my terribly bad call on Cheez8 yesterday.  I was raging so hard at Kilga.  He was OBVIOUSLY scum.  Then Kilga died as town and...well...now I don't know what to think. 

Now I'm seeing Polaris and Dormio go back and forth like they did yesterday only I'm not in the middle, so.  Gonna eat some popcorn and watch the show for another few hours. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 01:23:26 PM
Given my spectacularly awful picks so far this game, I'm not putting any special weight on what I have to say. 

First of all:  Thanks for covering me night 2, BBM/Mitsuki.  I didn't get notified at the time, but I appreciate not being dead :D

Second:  I assume Dormio's ability is some kind of vote modifier on himself to make it harder to lynch him.  Why is that necessary?  I guess he's probably scum.  Perhaps he's bussing Polaris.  I was sure they were both scum last phase. 

I figure we can split the difference and go with Validon or DNA.  But which one? 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 01:30:00 PM
Also to add:  with such a long phase, no need to panic and spamvote. 

About Dormio - I'd be happy to lynch him, but I'm worried about the sweetener.  Maybe we can't lynch him today or something. 

At this stage should we fullclaim to help find our last scum?  Unfortunately, I'm exactly as I said - vanilla towny.  I can't do anything except support everybody vocally. 

##Support team vocally.

Worth a shot imo. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Raikaria on November 12, 2013, 02:00:31 PM
Votecount 4.15

Polaris (1): Dormio
Not Voting: (6) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Validon98, BigBangMeteor, Polaris

Day 4 lasts 72 hours and requires a majority of 4 votes to lynch. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131115T07&p0=110&msg=Day+4)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 02:05:17 PM
Lets simplify things. correct me if i am wrong but this is messy beyond my comprehensionEither dormio or polaris  is scum.

For there are some impossibly big gambits being pulled this game.
I can tell you this because i copped bbm and failed.

Only solid town is bbm. I dont even want to think about the cross justification and th eimplied reads. If actually nobody here is lying then claims and current situation points to only dormio polaris validon and me. But i know i am not scum. And since i pretty much can confirm for bbm being town factoring in nnrs info either me validon dormio polaris is scym. Since i know i am not scum. I seriously doubt what nnr intend to do, bait the newb here into voting the so called obvscum team and get lynched himself?

And really. Why would scum kill kilga? If anything i expected bbm and nnr to die due to how much more able they are than me and how they are actually doing things with their role. They are much more significant than me. So why did they not die?

I am not scum. So to me. The scumteam is rather obvious if i trust everything here. Assuming nnr isnt pulling a giant gambit after seeing both invest roles flipped and decided to go " fuck yes lets throw my plan in motion to lynch the rolecop after all thes years". If anything, i am les s inclined to trust him for his plan with dan ha sproven he can adequately bullshit a game when on demand. Kilga flipping tracker is just an added bonus to amp nnrs claim to godlike trustworthy level.

I dont buy the colorblind cop at all. We already have a surefire tracker and a conditional rolecop who should b esilently confirming townies away from the scene. Me being roleblocked from day one also shows that scum is probably dead set on discrediting everything i said.

In a nutshell. Imo nnr is lying. Its an unreasonably stupid decision for scum if they actually shot the obvtown instead of the two vaguely claimed pr nnr a nd bbm.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 02:07:38 PM
Accidentally hit post.

I am going a second wall. Give me while
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 02:29:21 PM
I would caution you to avoid assuming "stupid". We've yet to catch a single one and now we are at lylo.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 02:33:24 PM
Back to the situation at hand

Both are scums or only one is. I dont dare to test it myself.

Since we need their reponses to safely confirm for the former situation i will talk about thr latter atm.

I think polly is the scum among the two.
I cant analyze without cutting either too deep or shallow. But this imo is convicting enough.
Polly somehow skipped the entire thought process of guessing a strongman barraged through docblock. that is the conclusion which anybody sensible would come to.
He also tried to steer town away from the mentality of a onr versus one bwtween him and dormio. And even that is scummy. For it is exactly what it is.

And i guess this is something we can agree on but someone here is definitely lying.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 02:43:20 PM
/me has a unique and creative role that is not useful for scum
/me claims said role in a game with a role cop that claimed d1
/me has crumbs to back up each action prior
/me confirms three town, one of which is dead, one of which is a claimed doc, and one of which is a claimed doc save

"totes liar guys"

Keep panicking, scum rolecop.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
Really wish I hadn't switched to SP last night because having you confirmed scum would make this all the more sweeter. Sweet like Dormio apparently is now.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
Strongmen/Hitmen don't generally tell the doctor their action failed. Normally in that case the Doctor gets a result of "action successful" but then their target dies anyway.

Also I don't like how yesterday DNA was theorizing about the mafia gambitting a no-kill yesterday, only to now discard that gambit entirely. And then he's also like "assuming NNR isn't pulling a big gambit" only to next sentence talk about how he doesn't buy the Colourblind Cop role...

The reason I think NNR is town is because as far as I can tell, there's only scum benefit in faking his role and outing when he did if one of me and Kilga were scum. Except he's flipped town and I'm basically confirmed town along with Sky regardless of NNR's report because nobody else has claimed a kill-blocking method and the mafia choosing not to kill would be dumb when they couldn't have predicted that one of their members would get protected. Since both me and Kilga are town, all his report on D3 did is stop two townies from attacking each other. Mitsuki would have attacked Kilga a lot more and Kilga would have attacked Mituski a lot more on D3 without that report. Hell, my slot might have been lynched, since IIRC Mitsuki escaped a lot of attention on D3 just because people chose to believe the report that her and Kilga were the same alignment.

So if I take NNR as town, I can't really see why town would have three investigation roles. I think DNA is scum. That being said! DNA is probably more likely to be a Mafia Rolecop than the Mafia Hooker. Winning the battle is meaningless if we lose the war. If we want NNR to get another report tonight then we need to try to go for the Hooker, or either they'll hook me and kill him or hook him and kill me.

Also ugh I hate to say this but if DNA is scum I'm not sure Validon/DNA make sense as buddies. Validon switched his vote to DNA at a very sensitive time in the phase yesterday- when people start having second thoughts about the primary wagons and go for a secondary one. Validon's vote basically took DNA from a position where he couldn't really have been consolidated upon to a position where he had an outside chance of being turbowagoned. So if Validon is town then Dormio/Polaris would be buddies, which is possible. In a 4/3 situation with three townies confirmed I can see the mafia trying to bus each other to give whomever isn't lynched some towncred to survive in a later day phase, rather than putting all their eggs in one basket and going for the mislynch today at the expense of making it super obvious they're buddies if one gets lynched.

But still waiting on BT for whatever Dormio's action did I guess.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 12, 2013, 03:00:29 PM
Also this game has way too many roles. When I subbed in I was promised a closer to Vanilla game. And there are only three claimed Vanillas. :|
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 03:17:54 PM
Nnr claims said unique and creative role in a game which everyone flipped has a compltely normal role sans me with a small conditional.

Nnr talks about the ridiculousness of my accusation. But provided what i have now i have absolutelu no need to fullclaim who i tracked and how i failed. By elimination one must be lying. I gambitted you and you confirmed my doubts.

Nnr clears are vague and ambigious and only resorted to fullclaiming after tracker flip and doc fullclaim. Aka when its completely safe and convicting such that it takes a ton of parallel guesswork to rebut your cleara fully.

I would also like to remark if i am scum roleclop as i reverae gueased. I would keep kilga who has a aolid townread on me alive and blockill bbm. Unlike what you are doing.

Or there could be framer or godfather and we are outright wrong. But for the sake of scumhunting lets factor out the bullshit.

Honestly speaking i am amazed. Nnr. Just how much did you thought beforehand with this scumstrat. You arwe so confident and laidback in its execution such that you are completely not ignoring the status quo

Cut by bbm

I didnt mention that because i cant type properly on my phone. If this isnt lylo and i have to sleep in an hour or two i wouldnt even bother. I am just doing what i do every day. To lynch scum. Besides since i copped you bbm last night and both our actions failed (which ahould imply roleblock?) its obvious my case is wrong to myaelf even an dyou are town. I dont keep persuing a completely wrong case

I never bought three invest roles thing. If i havent aaid so let me say it again. Someone is lying. Kilga is flipped.
I being obvtown for most of the game somehow isnt a thing anymore. Nnr has been tunneling on me since yesterday and bbm, nnr had the perfect time to fake the role as kilg flipped and i was blocked all game without any cleaes. He also didn teven have the need for long term benefit. He just needs to coast on existing doubt on me. Distract us and lynch someome
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
And imo dormios sweet thing sounds like a disguise ability. And i cant really think of what else it could influence sans votes. That element alone is ridiculously bastard for a so called vanilla game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
And i have only an hour or so until i sleep and will be another aeven hours i get to post my thoughts spanning across nk an dacumteam analysis. If me being voiceful at such a time suring lylo is called panic....wow. i doubt how much i need to type when i actually do panic to convince rest you are acum pulling another huge gambit with your knowledge
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 03:42:05 PM
Apologies for shitty typing skills. I have so much analysis i really want to bring up but if it isnt pbvious i need to pause every now and then to check my posts.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Validon98 on November 12, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
So, it's down to only six other people? Well, the PoE for the scumteam is obvious at this point, isn't it?
NNR- He claimed a role which has every time soon correct information. By know it's obvious he was not using it to disguise the alignments of other people because they all turned out to be town, although holy crap, I NEVER would have seen all of the references to brown. Cleared town.
Sky- Confirmed town as well due to NNR's role.
BBM- Similarly, although I'm kind of worried about the fact that he claimed. If scum gets lynched tonight BBM is in serious danger.

So, that leaves...

Dormio- He argued a lot with a variety of people, particularly Kilga and Cheez, all while giving little in the way of cases and promising to give cases on certain people yet never doing so, too content to push on mislynches to give a care about anyone else. The only thing that worries me about him is this day power he's activated, but I don't really know what it's done. BT, are you ever going to say what the hell this did?

Dark- He has been under my suspicion this entire game. I figured from all of his strange posts and his arrogance at times that he was scummy, yet a lot of towny people cleared him as town, which in the end is untrue. I always figured he had a possibility of being scum, and that's why I switched my vote to him last second yesterday, because Cheez also at the last second managed to convince me that he wasn't scum by breaking the part of Kilga's logic that involved the ED2 nonsense with the votes. In fact I thought Kilga might have been scum for a bit after that because of how he pushed mislynches all three days, but he turned out to be town so... >_>;
Of course, the fact that none of his supposed roleclops worked, combined with the fact that yes, three information gathering roles for town does seem a little too much, also does much to make me want him lynched.

Polaris- Another person who flew under the radar for me, but not as much as Dormio. I was kind of confused as to why he and Serela argued so much if they were tied together by role. I mean, if they were both tied by the same role, wouldn't they be the same alignment? Well, the possibility always exists that Polaris was pushing Serela because he himself was scum trying to get rid of the townie he was tied to in order to be able to use his vote freely. It's an odd yet possible situation, as people have already figured before. Also, he kept pushing against Mitsuki's posting style and accusations yesterday without much in the way of actual defense. At the very least he could have tried to justify himself more but to attack one's posting style isn't exactly townie behavior.

Dark seems the most dangerous to me. If he fakeclaimed roleclop then there's a chance he might be some scum powerrole and leaving him alive would be dangerous.

##Vote: Darkninjaabc
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 05:01:28 PM
What. The. Fuck.

This bullshit that lacks any substantial content.
I get fucking pissed at times but this is ridiculous. What happened happened. Deal with it scum. Stop fucking dragging on your crazy omgus buses. I am not kilga but i am town. You two scums jumping the gun is goddamn retarded. This entire bullshit is a scheme to lynch me. Isnt that fucking obvious already bbm. Get your facts straight. We have three confirmed prs. If you actually want to believw all thrwe scums conpletely ignored nnr and let him do whatever he wants fine. Fuck this game. Even nnr himself brushed upon the subject without even being asked to. He went "well maybe scum didnt buy my claim lol" to "ninja is working for them!!!" which leads into "well in this case no matter what i am town". Along these lines. Nnr must be scum. For bbm mus tbe the doc due to how we both failed.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:18:26 PM
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Nnr clears are vague and ambigious and only resorted to fullclaiming after tracker flip and doc fullclaim. Aka when its completely safe and convicting such that it takes a ton of parallel guesswork to rebut your cleara fully.
My clears are vauge because my role forced me to do guesswork until one of my scans died, obviously. Also the point about claiming D3 is moot, because I revealed my role on D2, and I made it pretty obvious it was an investigation role.

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I would also like to remark if i am scum roleclop as i reverae gueased. I would keep kilga who has a aolid townread on me alive and blockill bbm. Unlike what you are doing.
Kilga died because he can track the nightkill, obviously. I figured that out now. His death means nothing for your alignment. If you were the town rolecop, why would I claim a role that is so obviously worthless as a scum role? Your claims are a pretty nice excuse, you don't even need to claim "blocked" because of your conditional, and with Kilga gone, you can do whatever you want at night.

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If you actually want to believw all thrwe scums conpletely ignored nnr and let him do whatever he wants fine.
I dunno how to explain this though, you got me there. I suppose scum only has limited resources, though. Getting a kill takes priority over getting me blocked, after all.

Man, we have so many mad scums this game, they're so mad because they have so few options, right?


----
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Stop fucking dragging on your crazy omgus buses
Oooh! Scumslip!
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
...you know what. If your entire logic as town relies on you not justifying your odd role among us and conpletely retarded scums whilw being ambigious as fuck. The entire train you proposed doesnt stand because according to your premise everyone is shit players who play as bad as they cant explain things.

I see what you are getting at in hindsight. But i was so implanted with my dual thinking in scumshoes i actually forgot to switch back. Problem? I bother to explain my cases. And do try to check what time is gmt 8 is now. I am fully justified to be messed up in a hurry for i am cycling around mafiascum wiki and this and the old thread constantly whilw tuping at insane speed on phone.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 12, 2013, 05:39:05 PM
About that so called slip. It is pretty obvious pressing on with thia carefree scum whos happily butchering on me with overwhelming tunneling advantage and with me breaking down is not a good idea.

I willgo grab some sleep. Night.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
Quote
...you know what. If your entire logic as town relies on you not justifying your odd role among us and conpletely retarded scums whilw being ambigious as fuck. The entire train you proposed doesnt stand because according to your premise everyone is shit players who play as bad as they cant explain things.
My entire logic rests on the fact that my claim would be terrible if you were the Town Role cop, since you could just scan me and disprove my claim, since it doesn't make any sense as a scum role.
Oh wait, you never did scan me, did you? You'd rather find out if BBM and Kilga had roles, right?

I'm pretty sure the scum plan is just to discredit me, since that's the best they can do after taking out the tracker and blocking the doc.

And/Or lynch the 4th man out of the non-clears.

@Validon: Don't vote yet please. Also, don't lynch Dark, we want to try and guess who the Roleblocker is tonight.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Validon98 on November 12, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Okay... I don't know why I shouldn't vote, but I guess I can lay off for now. After all, Dark is only one of my scumreads. There's still Polaris and Dormio and I'm leaning slightly more on Polaris only because I don't exactly know what Dormio's role does, plus the way Polaris pushed Serela and Mitsuki doesn't seem right to me, and his arguing with Dormio is probably just scum bussing each other.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
 ???
Okay... I don't know why I shouldn't vote,
It's LYLO, we want to avoid a Scum Voting Block winning if someone votes the wrong player.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Validon98 on November 12, 2013, 06:08:35 PM
Oh right, that's possible.
*hasn't played a full Mafia game in forever and has forgotten about the possibly of a voting block. Hurr-durr Validon you are a stupid.*
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 10:43:08 PM
Maybe this is useful. 

Day 1
Serela (7): Dormio, Validon98, Polaris, Darkninjaabc, PX, Serela, Sky_Paladin
Darkninjaabc (2): CF7, SB
Shadoweh (2): Kilgamayan, Cheez8,
CF7 (1): Shadoweh

Day 2
Shadoweh (6): Sky_Paladin, Validon98, Polaris, NekoNekoRex, Darkninjaabc, Dormio
Kilgamayan (3): Mitsuki, Shadoweh, Cheez8
NekoNekoRex (1): SB

Not Voting (1): Kilgamayan

Day 3
Cheez8 (5): Kilgamayan, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Sky_Paladin (2): Dormio, Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98

***

Let's see how it looks under DNA's case that NNR is scum.  We assume DNA is town in this scenario. 

Day 1
Serela (7): Dormio, Validon98, Polaris, Darkninjaabc, PX, Serela, Sky_Paladin
Darkninjaabc (2): CF7, SB
Shadoweh (2): Kilgamayan, Cheez8,
CF7 (1): Shadoweh

Day 2
Shadoweh (6): Sky_Paladin, Validon98, Polaris, NekoNekoRex, Darkninjaabc, Dormio
Kilgamayan (3): Mitsuki, Shadoweh, Cheez8
NekoNekoRex (1): SB

Not Voting (1): Kilgamayan

Day 3
Cheez8 (5): Kilgamayan, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Sky_Paladin (2): Dormio, Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98

***

Scenario 2:  DNA is scum (NNR is town). 

Day 1
Serela (7): Dormio, Validon98, Polaris, Darkninjaabc, PX, Serela, Sky_Paladin
Darkninjaabc (2): CF7, SB
Shadoweh (2): Kilgamayan, Cheez8,
CF7 (1): Shadoweh

Day 2
Shadoweh (6): Sky_Paladin, Validon98, Polaris, NekoNekoRex, Darkninjaabc, Dormio
Kilgamayan (3): Mitsuki, Shadoweh, Cheez8
NekoNekoRex (1): SB

Not Voting (1): Kilgamayan

Day 3
Cheez8 (5): Kilgamayan, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Sky_Paladin (2): Dormio, Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98

Scenario 3:  Both DNA and NNR are town. 

Day 1
Serela (7): Dormio, Validon98, Polaris, Darkninjaabc, PX, Serela, Sky_Paladin
Darkninjaabc (2): CF7, SB
Shadoweh (2): Kilgamayan, Cheez8,
CF7 (1): Shadoweh

Day 2
Shadoweh (6): Sky_Paladin, Validon98, Polaris, NekoNekoRex, Darkninjaabc, Dormio
Kilgamayan (3): Mitsuki, Shadoweh, Cheez8
NekoNekoRex (1): SB

Not Voting (1): Kilgamayan

Day 3
Cheez8 (5): Kilgamayan, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, BigBangMeteor, Polaris
Sky_Paladin (2): Dormio, Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98

Just posting for now, not putting in any associative reads at this stage. 

Am ISOing Validon since he's slipped through the net this whole game and iirc hasn't contributed anything at any point. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 12, 2013, 11:39:08 PM
I (of course) see no reason why we need to be considering me scum at this point over DNA. It's simply nonsense to consider. I have nothing to gain here, as scum, by claiming cop and confirming multiple players as town, who themselves have managed to provide further proof to back up my claims.

Even a godfather is out of the question, since my remaining two scans are a doc and a doc save.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 11:46:03 PM
Putting in only the confirmed 100% colours in the ISO just for comparison sake.  I'm very certain NNR is town and will put up my thoughts on it once this is done. 

Validon day 1:
RVS phase, vote for PX/BBM (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038227.html#msg1038227).  Ironically also accuses PX of planning to vanish, which appears to be Validon's actual plan. 

Cancels (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038342.html#msg1038342) the vote here with a block of text.  Mentions Dormio, Shadoweh, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, Cheez8. 

Requests for reads from others (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038463.html#msg1038463) and provides some of his own.  Mentions SB, Sky_Paladin, Kilga, Serela, Shadoweh, Dormio.  Specifically requests scumreads from Dormio. 

Follow up (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038481.html#msg1038481) post.  Nothing of consequence.  States they will be disappearing now. 

Promises to get back (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038498.html#msg1038498) with stuff later.  Let's see if he does. 

Actually (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038762.html#msg1038762) does come back with a fairly narrow view, but posts a fairly decent reason for voting DNA.  Suspects Serela/Polaris are ITT/town, won't vote for them. 

Votes for Serela (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038974.html#msg1038974) after all.  Mentions Kilga, Shadoweh, SB, Dormio. 

Continues (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039157.html#msg1039157) to vote for Serela.  Mentions PX, Kilga, SB, Shadoweh.

At this stage I am reading town for Validon, tbh. 

Day 2. 

Starts with (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040032.html#msg1040032) chiding Serela for suicide.  States intent to ISO CF7/NNR, Sky_Paladin, Cheez, and Shadoweh.  Let's see if he does.  Mentions Cheez, Dormio, Kilga, Polaris, CF7.  States that they were around for end of Day 1 but didn't see any reason to change their Serela vote. 

Posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040103.html#msg1040103) a fairly lazy ISO.  Conspiciously ignores Dormio's contribution to the Sky + Dormio vegetable preamble.  Only ISO'd town targets.  There's a second post immediately after that contributes nothing new. 

Premature (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040193.html#msg1040193) weak rage post, votes for Shadoweh.  Responds to Polaris shortly after. 

Mentions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040394.html#msg1040394) NNR, Sky_Paladin.  No content.  States intent to vanish (classes). 

Defence (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040480.html#msg1040480) of NNR.  Mentions Sky_Paladin, Shadoweh. 

Scumreads (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040555.html#msg1040555), picks NNR, DNA, Shadoweh, Sky_Paladin.  Fairly weak. 

Comments (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040784.html#msg1040784) on PX's replacement.  Mentions Kilga, Shadoweh. 

Response (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040952.html#msg1040952) to Mitsuki's challenge.  Mostly attempts to fend of Mitsuki's points.  Some justification.  Seems weak IMO. 

Second (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040988.html#msg1040988) response to Mitsuki's reprisal.  It feels weak but at least makes sense.  Specifically replies to Polaris. 

Seems like scum to me at this stage.  Largely focusing on townies, completely avoids mentioning Dormio.  Particularly avoids mentioning Dormio in one case when he absolutely should have.  Lackluster performance, no scumhunting, one content post to defend against Mitsuki. 

Day 3. 

Mentions Kilga, Sky, Cheez8. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1041716.html#msg1041716)

ISO (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1041772.html#msg1041772) on Cheez8. Votes for Cheez8.  I recommend others look at this post to determine its merit. 

Vanishes for RP.  Back from RP. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1042094.html#msg1042094)  Mentions Kilga, Mitsuki, Cheez8, Sky, NNR, BBM. 

Small (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1042106.html#msg1042106) response to Kilga about NNR. 

Votes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1042549.html#msg1042549) for DNA because of all the phoneposting. 

And whoops, that's it. 

My main concerns about Validon are, in order:
1 - Has done zero actual scumhunting. 
2 - Is AFK except when he needs to respond to something. 
3 - Has avoided mentioning any of the leading candidates for scum, and really only focused on people likely (or who later turned up) town.  Has conspiciously avoided mentioning Dormio since day 1, especially notable in day 2 when he picked out me as the one talking vegetable nonsense, when Dormio posted far more about it than I did. 
4 - He almost entirely talks about a few fairly specific bunches of townies and ignores the rest. 

Specifically:  He only really talks about/to Kilga and Shadoweh (day 1).  Kilga, Shadoweh, Sky (day 2).  Kilga, NNR, DNA (day 3).

At the moment, my scum picks are Dormio, Validon, and Polaris or DNA. 

AT THIS STAGE (and we have two full days, so don't vote yet) I propose we should lynch Validon today, since Dormio may have some kind of voteslip ability active.  If we're right, we'll lose one towny tonight (probably BBM, sorry buddy :C) so it'll be 3 vs 2 tomorrow.  Then we should lynch Dormio - go into the next day with 2 vs 1. 

However, if we're wrong about Validon, it's game over.  So hitting post now and doing some more thinking. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 12, 2013, 11:52:47 PM
Also, I'm gonna paint Validon's strategically bad vote on a possible-towny earlier today as a big red alert. 

I'm fairly sure NNR is town.  Mainly because at no point did he try to sneak a scum into the confirmed town area.  If he was scum, he would probably have said "I checked Polaris/Validon/DNA" and picked whichever one of them was scum, saying that person is town, thus making it almost impossible for town to pick right today.  Before that, NNR has been contributing to town, even if that was trying to get me killed on day 2 ^__~

So I'm going to rule out scenario 1 (NNR is scum) because, let's face it, if NNR is scum and he avoided the delicious bait of getting a free pass for one of his scumbuddies, he deserves the win.  We've been relying on him for his information since day 2 and he's been good.  We made bad one bad decision based on that info (lynching Cheez8) but the info itself has been sound. 

If you're scum, NNR, grats on your win. 

But I'm pretty sure you're town. 

Let's look at DNA or Validon. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 12:20:39 AM
Okay there is absolutely no logical thought progression for me to make other than "Dormio, Darkninja, and Validon are scum" because everyone else is crossed out by PoE. I only entertained a bizarre scum!Sky Paladin notion because I thought Dormio was going to confirm himself as town but that obviously wasn't the case.

So I'm going to do this because I have a ton of homework and I need to stop wasting time staring blankly at the screen thinking about mafia when mafia is dumb.

##Vote Validon
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 12:27:39 AM
Well, Polaris, Validon and DNA all have one thing in common - they know which one of those three is town, and will likely vote for them. 

As long as they are all voting for people within that group of three we have no way of knowing who is who.  However, I'm confident that no townie is voting at this stage. 

We could ask Polaris, Validon, and DNA to all vote for Dormio, however.  Then the rest of us can vote Dormio too.  Will Dormio's ability save him if 100% of the player base is voting for him?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 01:30:12 AM
I'm going to have to ISO DNA, aren't I?  Sigh.  This will be an exercise in madness. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 13, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
It's not going to be that easy. >_> Scum aren't going to be so dumb as to just tunnel against the person they know is town and not confirmed as such. Then if they get lynched that screws everything up. If at least one of the people voting isn't bussing, I'd be highly surprised. Nor am I so confident that only scum are voting atm.

@DNA- Kilga and me are both town. So if NNR is mafia, what reason would he have on D3 to out that me and Kilga are of the same alignment?

Dormio, stop being coy. What does your action do? Waiting around for BT to resolve it is a waste of town's time.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 02:22:41 AM
Day 1. 

Opens  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038245.html#msg1038245)with a fairly strange tangent; Shadoweh isn't voting for Dormio so he must be scum.

Goes  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038251.html#msg1038251)on, there's this:
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I like the dormio wagon more intially since he is so excessively hyped. And hyped dormio usually means that there exist something for him to get excited. Had enough dota gamrs with him to call iut on that. Null read. Was gonna sheep before shadoweh popped up
Cancels his vote.  Posts five fairly rapid 'this is what I am doing and why I am doing it' posts. 

Some (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.90.html) more on this point.  Basically, his argument was that he saw what he thought was a scumslip and isn't going to let go, but cancelled his vote.  Questions Cheez8 - why are you defending Shadoweh?

Revotes (http://) for Shadoweh.  Mentions Validon, Cheez8, and this very strange line,
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Validon can very well be killed before he can retaliate so there.

Big post with no content. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038590.html#msg1038590)  Mentions Shadoweh. 

Next,  (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038594.html#msg1038594)DNA explains his reason for lynching nulls (reasonably valid).  Perhaps it's because I'm used to his phone horror spams, but this section looks coached/copy-pasted from somewhere. 
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So basically we can figure out which side the obvscum/obvtown actually swing just by communication. If they are actively contributing it is easy to differ and seprate the one from another by pure logic and analyzing their material.
And they cannot even choose to stay silent for their post times can and will give them away, forcing actual scum who falls in the ''obvious'' category to build upon more and more lies until eventuallly the fallacy will be so huge there's no doubt on who to lynch.

Null reads alone can toy with town psychology by just not posting or with minimal material. This gets even worse when scum keeps killing off the obvtown and leave us to deal with the nulls. Assume nulls are town, they simply cannot contribute and we don't know if to trust them. Assume nulls are scum, they can and will take up the leading role and spam all the wrong reads to make everyone follow. Basically if we start good by dwindling the suspicion pool it will help us later on.

Mentions he thinks both Serela and Validon are town; but wants to kill Serela anyway because he is getting in the way of the real scum.  NB I made this same argument later in day 1. 

He then make a read list (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038608.html#msg1038608). 

Null: polaris, kilga, serela, sb, px
somewhere inbetween; dormio, shadoweh
Obv: Cheez, Validon, me

This looks largely accurate.  In particular, there's one scum-suspect in each tier. 

Now (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038619.html#msg1038619) DNA says he thinks Serela is scum.  It's a bit of a flip from about thirty minutes ago. 

Small post where he responds to Shadoweh and Kilga, then says Cheez8 and Serela are scum.  Demands Serela fullclaim. 

DNA rages (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038754.html#msg1038754) when CF7 votes for him, and fullclaims roleclop/peachy peach. 

Validon votes DNA right after.  DNA votes Cheez8.  No rage against Validon. 

DNA names (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038970.html#msg1038970) his picks for scumteam.  It's Serela, SB, and Cheez8.  Oh well.  Mentions Sky_Paladin.

Votes for Serela due to having to go afk. 

States that he will be role check (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039187.html#msg1039187) SB (who tragically dies soon after). 

States that he will have a change of plans.  Comes back to say otherwise (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039366.html#msg1039366) and mentions SB, Shadoweh, CF7 and Validon. 

End day 1.  At this point I want to say DNA is town given that he is behaving pretty much I expect town to be - making outrageous statements, being horribly wrong, and raging when there's votes against him.  There's a few inconsistent patches, however. 

Then DNA starts on Kilga. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039878.html#msg1039878)  It's a pretty decent attempt, actually.  He posts a number of small points, all of which have some merit. 

DNA attempts to role check (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039990.html#msg1039990) Cheez8 (fails). 

More (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040318.html#msg1040318) on Kilga.  Mentions Shadoweh, Cheez8. 

Guys I'm getting nothing so far.  I'm pretty sure he's town.  He's scumhunting, he's participating, and although he's dead wrong often, his ideas have merit - there's nothing made up. 

DNA gives up on his strategy and sheeps along with Kilga on Shadoweh. 

A more comprehensive view (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040673.html#msg1040673).  DNA points out his picks again; Validon, Shadoweh, NNR.  He mentions Cheez8, PX.  He also queries why nobody is looking at Dormio and says that he is flying under the radar. 

Then, Mitsuki appears and puts more pressure on Kilga.  DNA is so happy.   (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1041043.html#msg1041043)
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Hello polaris, hello dormio, where have you both been after all this lurk? Actually coming out of your shell because your beloved kilgascum is being pushed on hard?

Then he goes snap again (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1041560.html#msg1041560). 
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NNR subbed in an originally scummy slot.
Kilga seems super protown but slips up at times.
Cheez never had any solid opinion.
Sky has super detailed insight and crazy insights in na and defends himself only.
Dormio is too normal and that makes him scum? W
Polaris is fufilling a possibly uberscum role impeded only by a town best pal.
Validon is being pushed on hard since d1.

And then votes Kilga. 

Then he takes some time away and comes up with this gem. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1041901.html#msg1041901)

He picks Dormio, Validon, and NNR for scumpicks,  And as an added bonus, threatens to pirate all the Touhou games if Kilga is scum.  Lucky for you, DNA, you don't have to get banned ^__~

However, DNA missed the post where NNR came out as almost certainly town >.>;;  And then (eventually) votes for NNR.  Then cancelvotes.  Then votes for Cheez8 (at my behest unfortunately). 

And that's the end of day 3.  Roll around to today.  DNA still suspects NNR and goes batshit instane when Validon votes for DNA. 

*** OK it's been a long and painful walk through darkness.  Going to take a breather and have a look in depth. 

For now I feel like DNA is just doing his best with an iphone and posting wherever.  There are a few mistakes and unexpected changes but for the most part........he's been consistent. 

I like scenario 3 (NNR and DNA) are town best at the moment. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 02:26:19 AM
Dormio, stop being coy. What does your action do? Waiting around for BT to resolve it is a waste of town's time.
It's already been resolved, and I already said that my action doesn't really do much.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 02:49:16 AM
Dormio, why did you wait till LYLO to use it then
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 13, 2013, 03:02:35 AM
If it's already been resolved, then tell us what it does. It's LYLO. At this point, however minor it may be, all info is useful to the town.

Sky- why do you think that town has a Rolecop, a pseudo-Cop, and a Tracker?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 03:03:37 AM
@NNR: Because I can't use it until LYLO.
@BBM: Nein.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 13, 2013, 03:10:43 AM
I will policyvote for you for actively withholding info from the town at LYLO for no reason if you don't say what it does. Dead serious. I think you're scum anyways.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 03:21:18 AM
I don't know why you're so insistent.
I mean I could say that shit will happen if I die now, but ~♪

Also, going to put it out there that I ain't scum, etc.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 03:28:00 AM
Well I'll be honest, I don't know what a tracker can do.  Unfortunately Kilga died before he could tell us anything useful. 
IIRC Dark claimed cop last game as well. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 03:29:38 AM
Trackers track a target to see who, if anybody, they targeted that night.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 13, 2013, 03:46:21 AM
The only way you're going to die is via lynch. You're not going to get NKed when that would confirm the identities of the scumteam. And if you're town, you being lynched means we lose, unless you're like lynchproof vengeful. Saying what your role does makes it so that town can better understand which roles are likely to be in the game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 04:33:41 AM
Thanks for the explanation. 

At this point my scumpicks are Dormio, Polaris, and one of (DNA or Validon).  I would feel better about lynching Validon over DNA because DNA feels like he has actively been contributing to the game. 

But it turns out we might not have to. 

I think if we have Polaris, DNA and Validon vote for Dormio, then the rest of the confirmed town can vote for Dormio as well.  I don't think Dormio is lynch proof (but I bet his ability makes him harder to lynch).  I presume this is a scum ability that Dormio can use to save either himself or a buddy.  And since he's scum, there's no reason for our three suspects NOT to vote him. 

So right now we have these votes:
Dormio -> Polaris. 
Polaris -> Validon. 
Validon -> Darkninjaabc.  //Cancelled. 

Alternatively, seeing which one of those three does not voteswitch/does voteswitch may be telling in its own way. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 04:55:01 AM
No, I've been thinking.  We have to make our choice now. 

I think DNA is lying about his roleblock, and BBM was roleblocked last night so that they could kill Kilga.  But let's pretend for a moment that there's a way to find out for sure. 

Let's say we get lucky and lynch 1 scum today (let's say for arguments sake, Validon).  Tonight it's 4 v 2 - they kill a town, so we go into 3 v 2 tomorrow.  They will almost certainly kill BBM. 

Let's say DNA is still alive tomorrow and wasn't roleblocked last night (because we lynched the roleblocker).  Unfortunately we can't trust his result.  We can, however, trust NNR's result.  Therefore, if we didn't lynch the roleblocker, they will roleblock NNR and kill BBM.  If we did lynch the roleblocker, they will kill BBM (because BBM will be covering our hero of the hour, NNR).  NNR can check during that same night phase which of the two remaining suspects - Polaris or DNA - are scum.  They can't kill NNR. 

So if we lynched Validon AND if Validon is the roleblocker, we enter day 2 with:  Sky, NNR, Polaris, Dormio, DNA.  NNR can tell us if DNA, or Polaris, is town or not.  We lynch Dormio.  We go into the next night and lose one of Sky, NNR, and (DNA or Polaris).  Day 6 has two out of Sky, NNR, Polaris as town and one of DNA or Polaris as scum.  The two townies lynch the last scum (who we will have known from the next day phase) and gg town. 

If we guess wrong today well we lose lol. 

If we lynched Polaris and he happened to be scum, the scenario is largely identical.  What really matters is if we can lynch the roleblocker.  If they can't roleblock, we get to squeeze one more check out of NNR. 

TL;DR
I'm going for the scumteam as Dormio, DNA, and one of Polaris/Validon.  We'll need to cross our fingers and hope DNA is the role blocker.  Then NNR can check one of the scum suspects. 

I won't vote just yet - give everybody a time to share their thoughts on this. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 06:29:38 AM
They could block BBM and kill me again, of course.

I guess I'd be open to Validon. My most unsure scum is between Dormio and Polaris. I'll probably scan Polaris because Dormio's role is weird. Dark is already confirmed scum in my book, and I can agree with the Validon case enough to support it.

Dunno what to think of Dormio's role. He could be a bomb or something, just to ruin town's day. I think he should be saved for last.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 06:30:23 AM
*"kill me again" meaning "doing what they did to kill Kilga"
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BT on November 13, 2013, 07:49:23 AM
Votecount 4.2

Polaris (1): Dormio
Validon98 (1): Polaris

Not Voting: (5) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Validon98, BigBangMeteor

It's 4 to lynch and 45 hours remaining. LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131115T07&p0=110&msg=Day+4)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 13, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
No dammit, the thing is clear, we can agree on validon being scum.

The biggest conflict is probably who is lying, we have this assumption because we have agreed on that 3 invest roles in a vanilla aligned game doesnt make sense. I am more and more inclined towards believing that perhaps that there really are three roles.

Because if we stick to our current pov, one of us must be lying. I am being suspected because my claim without much results is hard to believe, and nnr disclosed too valuable info as scum while bbm is claimed and confirmed doc.

But nnr's info isn't really that valuable, scum only need another mislynch to win. In other words, it is completely okay for them to acknowledge some obvtowns in order to confirm and solidfy their own towness. And since validon has displayed that he is obvscum to everyone and is likely to die at lylo, why would nnr even attempt to bullshit town into a wagon on another obvtown which is outright not happening?

In other words, provided validon is scum, nnr's actions are completely justified. For it is just outright obvious to everyone scum cannot win this asap.
I outright do not understand how would scum not benefit from being the first party to state the obvious while pretending to claim. BBM himself talked about ''a role that softconfirms sp'' which basically made the notion of ''scum strongman'' shaky, he also followed up with an explaination which all but confirmed my doubts.

The biggest and most obvious flaw nnr never addressed is how ridiculously retarded scumteam has to be for any of his bullshit to work. Meanwhile he goes tunneling madly in one direction refusing the acknowledge how simply impossible it is for existing scum to be so terribly bad. On dormio's ability my interpretion is some sort of dummy vote that looks like it did something but didn't, of course it could also be a voteshield, but then why would mod refuse to give more info on that if its such a straightforward ability? I believe the mod is being specifically vague, so it must not be something that simple.

Please just think about this bbm sky dormio. Since validon is the obvscum to everyone, would scumteam who shares the knowledge actually ignore such a big stain on their cred? Would a scumninja actually claims to have rolecopped bbm hence receiving suspicion as the roleblocker?  The tracker is dead so I am free to claim whatever and just wifom out if I were scum. If I were scum I would definitely not persue faketown!nnr who has neither copped me nor had any big suspicion on me. I am doing all this unecessary bs that completely discredit me as town because I have the information and I am sharing it and spitting it all out while drawing an appropiate conclusion. Validon nnr and polaris are all pushing for THE scumcase which they dreamed on since the dawn of time.

I cannot even begin to imagine sky's view that we are both town, one of us must be lying unless we can somehow justify the need for 3 invest roles, likely only possible by checking scum powerroles, but since all that we know is there's a roleblocker and not much else (if you force dormio into the factor we also have a vote modifier)

Need to off later
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: DNAbc on November 13, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
And since i cant really finish my wall without a comp i will make a brief conclusion here

Emotionally i di believe there are three invest roles. Everything here does feel and connect genuinely. Besides i just feel like an ass

But as we just outright cannot guranteed such a setup is anywhere near vanulla for three invest to br needed. W eneed a scumflip to confirm such and it just balantly contradicts with mod and is therefore impossible.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
It's early for me, but I have to go to bed, so here are some last sign off thoughts for you to chew over while I sleep. 

#1 We can get a lynch on Dormio by asking all of DNA, Validon and Polaris to vote for Dormio, +town.  If some of them don't vote, great.  We know those are the scums.  There's a chance that Dormio has flat-out lynch immunity instead of vote tampering, in which case, GG.  BT has not confirmed the effect of the ability and I do not expect him to do so.  Also, in the impossible case that Dormio is town, there's no reason for him to explain the ability to the enemies. 

#2 DNA read town to me.  The reason I am considering as scum is because it seems more likely that this happened: 
BBM was sabotaged and Kilga was killed by a regular hit. 
-instead of THIS happening. 
Kilga was killed by heavyweight ability. 
Because in the absence of town vigilantes, there's no reason for a doc if the doc can't block. 

Dormio, Polaris, Validon, all read scum to me. 

I am assuming NNR is town because he resisted the tremendous bait of giving us a faketown read, or from outing one of his buddies to buy towncred.  Basically saying I am far greedier than he is ^__~  There's no reason for scum to have a detective.  By claiming a detective type role so early, NNR exposed himself to the risk that there was another legitimate detective that could out him. 

DNA, Sky, BBM and NNR have all claimed a role.  Dormio, Polaris and Validon have not. 

Therefore I'm very happy to lynch any of those last three.  If the rest of town wants to lynch DNA, I'll do it. 

I would like BBM and NNR to put forward their preferred lynch.  Let's make a vote between the three of us.  Put up your top two preferences and let's see if there's one in common. 
For me, I would like to lynch Polaris or Validon. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 13, 2013, 02:38:54 PM
I don't know who my preferred lynch is. Validon was my highest scumread but I'm not sure if he makes sense as a scumbuddy with DNA. I think DNA is scum but I don't think he's mafia Hooker so meh. If Dormio doesn't say what his ability does in his next post I will vote him.

DNA- scum wouldn't have to be retarded not to kill NNR. If they'd killed NNR and he'd flipped town, then me and Kilga and Sky would still all have been confirmed town, and Kilga would also have had a Tracker result on somebody.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 09:20:14 PM
My top picks are Validon and DNA. Since I think DNA is the scum role cop, my preferred lynch is Validon.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
Well, that's two 'highest scumread' picks for Validon and one 'happy to lynch Validon'.  So I think he should be our lynch target. 

So I'm going to suggest we do just that.  I also notice that Polaris/Dormio/Validon have been conspiciously absent the last day ^__~
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
What's the count on Val? Should we just say "screw it" and do it?

Part of my gut thinks we should stick to the reliable (Darkie) lynch

Must be gut butterflies despite the fact the chance is 3 in 4
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 10:28:23 PM
Also kinda want Dormio to fullclaim still
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 10:31:53 PM
We can wait for Dormio if you like. 

My feeling is that he is scum so there won't be a fullclaim.  And if there is, it'll be, uh, special. 

At the moment their is one vote on Validon from Polaris.  However, scum team didn't all pile on Validon or it would be game over now.  Therefore, we can assume Polaris is scum. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
...or that Validon is scum and that he isn't going to self-vote.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 10:34:55 PM
It really just means one or both of them is scum
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 10:37:11 PM
Oh, true.   I missed a fairly obvious step.  See?  That's why I didn't vote yet ^____^;;;;; 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Validon98 on November 13, 2013, 10:41:28 PM
Well excuse me if I haven't been here, I've been dealing with homework and irl stuff and urgh. I'm tired, I still have a bunch of stuff to do, I really don't have time to post giant walls of text, so argh.
I'll vote for whichever of Dormio, Polaris, or Dark when the time comes. I have homework and stuff to do so argh, sorry I'm only dropping in quickly like this but irl has been a bitch to me this entire game and it's making it difficult to keep track of everything. <_>;
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
I hope Dormio realizes that if he has an on-death Vig role, like Town Bomb, Town will still be endgamed regardless of who he kills.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 11:12:55 PM
DNA, Sky, BBM and NNR have all claimed a role.  Dormio, Polaris and Validon have not.

are you serious >_> i thought my role was common knowledge since day 1
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 11:13:39 PM
Sometimes there are things that go better off unsaid.
But, fine, it raises my lynch threshold by one which I was trying to use to bait a quickhammer that doesn't look like it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
I'm gonna go with Validon should have subbed out if he wasn't scum. 

I'll be voting Validon once BBM has had a chance to chime in. 

At this stage the plan (if I didn't miss anything) is basically to hope that Validon is the roleblocker and also is scum. 

At some point we'll need to pick between DNA and (somebody else) so we're hoping we can squeeze one more check out of NNR. 

Cut by Polaris:  I'm serious.  I didn't see you make a claim. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 11:14:34 PM
It also doesn't actually have to be used in LYLO but I figured that's where I'd get the most use out of it.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
dormio did you really think that was going to work
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
also i'm town best pal, my role is the same as serela's apart from the flavor.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
btw if you look carefully at serela's role PM you can see that it doesn't say that I'm confirmed town anywhere. same goes for my PM: it didn't say serela was town anywhere in the PM. (I specifically asked BT for clarification.) So excuse me for thinking that Serela was scummy and needed to be lynched regardless of what our roles were >_>
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 13, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Well, it's not like it particularly matters anymore considering POE leaves you, Validon, and Darkninjaabc as scum.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 13, 2013, 11:26:23 PM
Oh right.  I totally forgot that best pals thing. 

Well anyway; it looks like we're not voting for you today.  If you're really town, you're in the blessed position of knowing which of those three is scum.  Since you're voting Validon already, that's a happy coincidence. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 11:34:17 PM
Dormio's role seems somewhat believable since he was trying to bait a townie vote onto him from BBM, I guess. Not the most trustworthy but best chance of townie of the four I can guess. If he were scum that ability would probably be broken in LYLO if he managed to survive to the end, since it makes him unkillable with out a scum vote
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 11:36:14 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Polly was a godfather or something, actually.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 13, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
it's great that you'll consider the possibility of a godfather for me and not someone you've already investigated like sky paladin >_>
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 13, 2013, 11:51:15 PM
Sky Paladin is a confirmed Doc Save.

Try again.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
actually,

@BT: Is scum allowed to no kill?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
because honestly even if sky paladin is town I still think killing sky paladin makes absolutely no sense
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:21:38 AM
i guess it would be a pretty amazing coincidence for sky paladin to be scum and then get townconfirmed by both doc and cop so whatever this is dumb
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:24:35 AM
but like nnr why'd you have to go and cop sky paladin when he was pretty much pseudocleared in the first place >:(
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 12:26:33 AM
I assume scum wanted to kill me because I hinted that I was a tracker.  I said I was a vegetable that 'helped people to see in the dark'. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 12:29:44 AM
but like nnr why'd you have to go and cop sky paladin when he was pretty much pseudocleared in the first place >:(
by whom? I had SP as a scumread at the end of D3. I actually thought he was a valid D4 lynch.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Re: Polaris - that's the only reason I ever remotely thought NNR might be scum.  It's a pretty bad play.  But NNR believed I was scum all the way from day 2 when I accused him and Dormio of being scumbuddies.  We've all made bad plays in our games.  In this game, it was lynching Serela, then Shadoweh, then Cheez8.  It's hard to see how I could have done more damage to the team if I was scum :V
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 12:31:42 AM
I meant to say 'my bad play was lynching', not NNR's bad play. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
That's why I'm reluctant to jump the gun on Valoris.  I was already dead wrong three times in a row. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:35:07 AM
NNR did you really not see BBM clear sky paladin which was the whole reason we didn't lynch sky paladin d3 in the first place

and no, sky paladin, if you really were shot at i doubt they tried to kill you for that reason.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 12:38:36 AM
Then I assume it was my Cirno avatar, and they feared that if we got to Day9TV, I would zealot rush and win.  Or something.  Why did they hit SB?  It's a mystery.  Well, maybe not. 

SB
Quote
100% accurate RVS Scumteam: Dark, Serela, Validon

Now watch me die night 1. I'd be in stitches if I did.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
NNR did you really not see BBM clear sky paladin which was the whole reason we didn't lynch sky paladin d3 in the first place

and no, sky paladin, if you really were shot at i doubt they tried to kill you for that reason.
I thought BBM's clear was D4? I completely missed it.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:43:58 AM
i don't even
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 12:50:22 AM
Ah, this is troubling

I forgot to read the last two pages of D3, I probably just looked at the result and assumed nothing really happened. Go figure.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 12:55:24 AM
Well, at the very least you learned a valuable lesson from this experience `_`
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 14, 2013, 01:05:29 AM
You know what? I think I'm looking too far into interactions. Dormio has proven a day action and I don't think he'd have that in addition to a Hooker. I don't think Polaris is Hooker Best Pal. I think DNA is Mafia Rolecop. That leaves Validon to be the Hooker and he's been my strongest scumread.

##Vote: Validon
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 01:13:00 AM
So be it. 

##vote Validon

Let us hope he is the hooker. 

Good luck folks :)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 01:15:19 AM
I guess we'll see if this is GG or if we get to pick between DNA or Polaris tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 01:16:12 AM
NNR, if you get your check, please check DNA. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 01:17:27 AM
use of the word hooker will always be hilarious to me because of the implications

like,

a hooker visited me last night ;)

i think so-and-so is the hooker ;)

what if there's......... a hooker?? ;)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 01:18:20 AM
sorry that was irrelevant
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 01:30:00 AM
I think that's what the role was founded on, Polaris.

I kinda wanted to scan Dormio or Polaris, since I already was sure DNA was scum, and I wanted to decide between Polaris and Dormio instead.

##Vote: Validon
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 01:31:35 AM
Considering Dormio's role, I don't think he could be a GF on top of being Loved, either.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 01:35:49 AM
I'm certain Dormio is scum.  If you're not sure about Polaris or Dormio, please scan Polaris. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 01:36:43 AM
dormio isn't really loved, he's more of a..... love-maker. seeing he specifically had to target himself.

dormio, making love with himself since the start of day 4.

but anyway I guess you should scan dormio since you're not going to be convinced anyway when I return a town result >_>

cut by sky paladin telling nnr to do the opposite but oh well it's really up to nnr
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 01:47:55 AM
I'm certain Dormio is scum.  If you're not sure about Polaris or Dormio, please scan Polaris.
I don't want to risk hitting a GF, and I think Darkie is scum by virtue of being the odd role out.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 01:50:29 AM
Besides that, I think Dormio is town.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 01:52:30 AM
Remember that assuming we kill the hooker, I only get one scan left before scum inevitably can kill me, bar a Strongman shot or something.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 01:53:51 AM
Yep.  It's a lot of if's. 

Oh well :)  I guess whoever is still around can make the call then.  It's your role.  Do what you think is best. 

At this stage if you're scum its gg anyway so it won't matter if I'm wrong :D
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 01:58:51 AM
i also don't know if BT accepts the non-bolded ##vote so i would suggest bolding that just in case
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 02:03:56 AM
Was going to wait until I resolved what direction I should take my role to see if it mattered (since BT can just end the day if he counts it at any time)

##Vote: Validon
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 14, 2013, 02:07:10 AM
Guess this is your chance to boast if we hit town, scumteam.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 02:09:51 AM
Well we're going to be left hanging for 3 hours or so until BT wakes up so
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Validon98 on November 14, 2013, 02:10:07 AM
I am surprised I managed to live this long. Oh well, I tried, I failed, good luck finding my buddies.

##Vote: Validon98
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 14, 2013, 02:10:56 AM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 14, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
i regret not quicklynching validon on d3 ;_;
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: BT on November 14, 2013, 06:55:00 AM
Votecount 4.3 - ZZZZZZ HAMMER

Validon98 (4): Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Sky_Paladin, NekoNekoRex
Polaris (1): Dormio

Not Voting: (2) Darkninjaabc, Validon98

~

Oh right I'm modding this game. Well Validon98 died.

Quote
Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Validon98! You're Turbo Tomato. Fastest in the universe, you reach top speeds of a gazillion peas per meal when you set your mind to it. Normally that's not even needed and you're fast enough to be considered invincible, but you're dealing with a tough crowd here.

Your role is Mafia Two-shot Ninja. Twice in the game you may use the factional kill while activating this ability in order to reach your top speed, making it impossible to spot you commiting the crime.

You know the address of your coalition's secret lair. (http://lolno) You may meet up and talk there at any time.

You win when you outnumber the good guys or nothing can prevent the same.

I want night actions by my desk in 22 hours.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131115T07&p0=110&msg=Night+4)

To answer a question:

3) Each night has one factional kill. The scumteam may choose a target to kill and if the kill is successful the target will be killed and flipped when the night is over.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (NIGHT 4)
Post by: BT on November 15, 2013, 01:28:27 AM
Early update. EVERYONE WAS SURPRISED.

BBM died. EVERYONE WAS SURPRISED, sort of.

Quote
Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, PX! Mitsuki! BigBangMeteor! You're Durable Durian. Your shell is impenetrable because nothing in the universe can penetrate it. Or 'near-nothing', lest you cause a contradiction with an unstoppable force. You go on daily rounds proving that defense is the best offense and you're confident that'll shine through in this little skirmish.

Your role is Town Doctor. Your shell is mobile, so you may lend it to another superplant at night to protect them from kills. If you don't do anything, you still wouldn't be protected yourself because it's only strong when explicitly used. You're selfless enough that you wouldn't use the shell on yourself, as a matter of fact.

You win when all evildoers are eliminated.

Votecount 5.1

Not Voting: (5) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Dormio, Polaris

Day 5 lasts 75.5 hours and requires a majority of 3 votes to lynch. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131118T07&p0=110&msg=Day+5)

(The bars are trashed because I assume you folks still lingering know how to manage your time on your own.)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 01:49:09 AM
Got blocked, unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 01:51:45 AM
Who did you end up targeting in the end?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 15, 2013, 02:03:02 AM
And that makes my survival rate as Doctor for two nights or more equal to 1/6...
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 02:07:47 AM
Well regardless, dormio and darkninja are both scum `3`

##Vote Dormio

I hope nobody is surprised by this vote.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
I'd rather lynch Darkninja.

I think Dormio is town.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 02:20:17 AM
I tried scanning Dormio like I wanted to
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 02:30:46 AM
Well if you think Dormio is town then you think I'm scum and we can't have that >_>

What makes you think Dormio is town?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 03:41:31 AM
I'm assuming that all of us thinks that Darkninja is scum, so I figure it's better to have the Polaris vs. Dormio discussion while both NNR and Sky Paladin are still alive and able to contribute their opinions.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 03:48:29 AM
Combination of his roleclaim and gut from since I joined the game.

Also the fact Darkninja suspiciously left you out of his recent recap of his reads.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 03:53:05 AM
I'm 100% certain Dormio is scum. 

I believe that DNA is almost certainly scum because he didn't vote at all, despite knowing 100% that Validon, Dormio or Polaris must be scum if he wasn't.  There's an outside chance he is a legitimate detective and NNR was faking all along but given NNR actually helped quell the day 2 standoff between Mitsuki and Kilga I'm gonna favor NNR over DNA. 

I WANT Polaris to be scum because it suits my scumreads better but the evidence isn't there :/
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 03:54:48 AM
Logic-based conspiracy ahead:

Logic dictates that as soon as you voted Dormio, you revealed today that either you are town trying to vote one of the remaining two scum, or that you are scum trying to lynch the last unconfirmed townie.

Therefore Darkie is scum by virtue of it being impossible for him to be town in either of those two scenarios.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 04:01:36 AM
NNR: Well Darkninja tried to push me as scum over Dormio in Day 4, so interpret that as you will.

Incidentally, Validon also said that I was scum over Dormio.

I would also say that Dormio's roleclaim was hardly town minded, as if he was really town pulling a gambit to try and draw a quickhammer, then why would he let up after BBM stated his intent to vote Dormio, which was what he was vying for in the first place?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 04:07:18 AM
....why would scum want to bait town into a scum lynch?

Reread Darkie and realized that his posts are so incomprehensible that it's hard to tell which scumreads he was actually pushing, why am I basing any of my decisions off trying to read this guy?

I'm going to go ISO validon instead.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 04:07:34 AM
Or it could be scumvoting scum to buy cred with town :/  NNR you explained that to me only yesterday :D

I'm going to go with DNA and Dormio being the last two scums.  I'm happy to vote either one. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 04:08:35 AM
NNR my point was that if Dormio was town, his 'quickhammer gambit' doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 04:14:29 AM
Read Validon and I don't see any distinction between whether he prefers Dormio or Polaris either.

Going to wait for Dormio to at least post.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Polaris on November 15, 2013, 04:15:43 AM
Okay... I don't know why I shouldn't vote, but I guess I can lay off for now. After all, Dark is only one of my scumreads. There's still Polaris and Dormio and I'm leaning slightly more on Polaris only because I don't exactly know what Dormio's role does, plus the way Polaris pushed Serela and Mitsuki doesn't seem right to me, and his arguing with Dormio is probably just scum bussing each other.

##Unvote

C'mon NNR what about this post
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 04:20:35 AM
Quote
Polly somehow skipped the entire thought process of guessing a strongman barraged through docblock. that is the conclusion which anybody sensible would come to.
Finally found this Darkie quote after slogging through his nearly unreadable texts as well

Okay apparently I managed to complicate my own reads

Maybe I keep mistaking Validon for Palidon- Polaris.
Where is my brain tonight?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 04:22:21 AM
Now I can't find a reliable anti-Dormio quote from Darkie's Thread 2 posts

I guess I could be committing fallacy by trusting obvscum opinions, but I don't think scum want to bus all of each other to death ether, or else they'd never win.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 04:28:19 AM
Has my gut betrayed me? Was Dormio really Teh Scums all along (the one time when I don't call him on being scum regardless of his alignment)

It pains me personally to think my gut is only 1 for 3 this game (my other top scum choices previously being Sky and Cheez, aside from Darkie)

Not that it apparently matters now.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 04:45:46 AM
It's okay.  Remember I swore both you and Polaris were scum for most of the game.  Then I lynched Serela, Shadoweh, and Cheez8.  My intiution has been all over the shop. 

Anyway I've seen Mirai has been logged on for over an hour with no post so I'm pretty sure there'll be no Dormio post forthcoming. 

Gonna head off to work in about 20 minutes, will put in a vote before then if NNR is going for it. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 04:59:32 AM
Ok.  I'll be checking back here every hour or so.  If we're gonna do it, let's do it. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 06:47:40 AM
Ah, what the hell then.

If you're scum, you're one lucky sonuvabitch, Polaris.

#Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 06:49:55 AM
Dude what.
I come back from Diretide to this?

##Vote Polaris
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 06:51:52 AM
Unvote please, because Darkninjaabc will just hammer me whenever he actually posts and I don't particularly want to lose to Polly-scum.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:06:22 AM
Like, let's look at Polly-kun's argument.
That I was supposedly being pushed less by Validon/Darkninjaabc on D4.
But, it's like, Validon and Darkninjaabc are basically confirmed scum, so the only two people left to cast doubt between are myself and Polly-kun.
Notice how their opinions of Polly-kun remain more on the neutral side, rather than seriously pushing him over me.
Like, if we look at the post Polly-kun quoted here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15871.msg1043994.html#msg1043994) it's basically "Yeah Dormio has this role that we don't know what it does so maybe he will be more useful" as a pseudo-defence that doesn't actually form much in the way of an opinion.
And, to top this off, it's a situation where they can actually afford to have their members lynched as long as their roleblocker stays alive.
Notice how quick Polly-kun and co. were to switch off to Validon who is basically a goon with the tracker dead?
So, it's like, if they can get some suspicion onto me by having that weird pseudo-defence of me while buying some time and then they lynch me at any point like they're trying to do right now it's gg.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:06:50 AM
NNR are you here can you unvote?
NNR?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:09:20 AM
Dude.
Dude?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:10:58 AM
NNR you're stil on IRC and stuff unvote before Darkninjaabc comes back on.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:12:48 AM
Dude, think about how fast the switch to Validon was on D4 and how they basically only need one mislynch while they can afford to throw away anyone not the roleblocker.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:14:45 AM
Dudeeee.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 07:16:06 AM
##Unvote
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:20:49 AM
Thanks.
Now, seriously, it's like, look at Polly-kun's argument for me being scum or whatever and the evidence he cites to back it up.
It's basically a super weak reason to defend me that looks kind of forced because they clearly wanted to lynch me then but Polly-kun already expressed worry about my ability being related to vote shenanigans so they were clearly already wary of me.
So, it's like, if they can smear my name while moving onto the next day since it's unlikely for any vote based actions to last for a while as opposed to the one day it's used then they can lynch me with ease so they can get an easy win.
And like look at how fake the defence of me by Validon looks in the quote that Polly-kun cited.
It's clearly something that he's been told to do so that Polly-kun can use that the next day to try to get me lynched so that they can win.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 07:29:22 AM
Man, to be honest I just wanna lynch Darkie. But if you're town, you're not likely to convince Paladin...
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 07:36:11 AM
Well, the first thing to ask would be why are you so absolutely convinced that I'm scum Sky Palladium, even though you want Polly-kun to be scum?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BT on November 15, 2013, 08:38:19 AM
Votecount 5.2

Dormio (1): Polaris
Polaris (1): Dormio

Not Voting: (3) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex

It takes 5 to lynch. There are 68 hours remaining. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131118T07&p0=110&msg=Day+5)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 08:55:21 AM
##vote Dormio

Because of a lot of reasons.
If Im wrong, sorry town.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:15:55 AM
Dude.
Can you, like, acknowledge anything I said at the very least?
Also, unvote.
Seriously.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:16:53 AM
Like, what?
Thanks for explaining nothing I guess?
Seriously, unvote, what the fuck.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:17:23 AM
Dude, why?
Like what in the bloody fuck?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
Like, what are these various reasons?
Can you at least pretend to have read anything I said?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:18:37 AM
I mean I know it's the popular thing to do to basically ignore every single post I make ever in every single game but seriously.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:19:52 AM
Dude. Sky Paladin. Get the fuck back here and unvote. What in the bloody fuck.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:20:36 AM
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Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:20:59 AM
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Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:21:25 AM
Like seriously.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:22:42 AM
Are you even here?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:22:57 AM
Dude, come on. Seriously?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:23:31 AM
Hello? Sky Paladin? Sky Palladium? Anyone there?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:24:51 AM
Dude.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:25:40 AM
Hello? I'm here. Sky Paladin. Dude. Unvote.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:26:46 AM
Je suis.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:28:09 AM
Sky Paladin.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:29:28 AM
Dude. Come on. What the fuck.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:34:35 AM
Can you unvote? Please? Pretty please?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
Dude.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 10:05:38 AM
You only showed up when your neck was on the line.
You only ever tunneled on me.
You blew your ability yesterday because you expected to be lynched but made no effort to help town. You just said your usual line of hard to not be scum if you are scum or some such.
You didn't vote for Validon.
Also, since I believe Polaris to be town, by p o e you are scums.
DNA didn't appear to say anything all day. You arent trying to push the vote on to him. But you are trying to lynch the one who by definition is only maybe scum instead of definitely scum. You can make a case for lynching DNA. But you are only pushing for Polaris.
So in the end I think you read scum. You didn't do anything until NNRS vote.

But you know
##unvote we are a team, so.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 10:08:53 AM
NNR I'm certain Dormio is scum. We can lynch DNA today and you can get your check on Dormio - maybe.
They might kill me instead of you because I am pushing for Dormio.
Im on my phone right now so it's hard to do anything.
I'm happy to keep talking about it but I feel like Dormio is just going to try and weasel out of his fate. He diet help us all game. Why would he change now?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
Next;

Let's be clear. If we lynch DNA today, I will push for a Dormio lynch tomorrow. So if we kill the hooker today, NNR gets another check off. Because if Dormio is scum and we lynched the hooker, scum has to kill me tonight. Because if they kill NNR, I'm still voting Dormio no matter what.

NNR will get his check on Dormio. And assuming he is not the godfather, great. The next day he can lynch the right one.

DNA hasn't shown up all day. It would be convenient for him to suddenly appear and say his role check finally worked. You know, because NNR was blocked last night so DNA must be free to use his. But he didnt appear for so long in his phase already to announce the result. Maybe he forgot his lie. Or maybe he is staying out of the thread to avoid picking up heat from Dormio because they need DNA to last one more night.   Maybe he is the role locker.

It seems like everybody agrees DNA is scum.

Your gonna have to kill me tonight if you want to save Dormio.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 10:57:12 AM
What the literal fuck?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 11:06:46 AM
Like, dude, are you fucking kidding me with the "appearing when my neck is on the line" thing?
Have you heard of this thing called "real life"?
I happen to like partaking in it and tend not to post in mafia as a result.
Seriously, day starts early and I post five hours after the day starts but apparently that's too slow for you.

You only ever tunneled on me.
Wow. Sorry for trying to lynch scum.
Maybe next game I should follow your example and be literally useless in terms of analysis for the entire game.
You just said your usual line of hard to not be scum if you are scum or some such.
He diet help us all game. Why would he change now?
Oh wait no I need to misrep too while taking shots at people I forgot about that part.

Also, since I believe Polaris to be town, by p o e you are scums.
Why do you believe Polaris to be town?

You didn't vote for Validon.
So?
I don't understand how this is relevant.

You blew your ability yesterday because you expected to be lynched but made no effort to help town.
What?

DNA didn't appear to say anything all day. You arent trying to push the vote on to him. But you are trying to lynch the one who by definition is only maybe scum instead of definitely scum. You can make a case for lynching DNA. But you are only pushing for Polaris.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Why do I need to push a case on Darkninjaabc when he is basically confirmed scum.
What the fuck are you trying to say here?
Also tell me, who did make a case for lynching Darkninjaabc the other day.
By your own fucking definition you're scum, you know?
Like seriously stop making up bullshit excuses to say that I'm scum when you know that I'm not and you're just mad that I made a case on you.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 11:08:09 AM
So in the end I think you read scum. You didn't do anything until NNRS vote.
Oh, but no.
Because I decided to play video games for a while I must obviously be scum because it's not like there was a major content patch for a game I play a lot or anything.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 11:09:55 AM
Like seriously stop making up bullshit excuses to say that I'm scum when you know that I'm not and you're just mad that I made a case on you.
Seriously. I mean if you knew that you weren't probably wrong why the fuck would you unvote me especially when you announce how you're not going to change your vote at all and absolutely nothing can sway your amazing mind when I'm supposedly guaranteed scum to you anyway for bullshit reasons that can actually apply to almost everybody in the game right now but whatever.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 15, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
I am literally away from my phone and i have already clarified again and again i am not scum and nnr is.

I am sick as a dog withvfever so i cant wall snymore.
Ggscum

I did my best as town until the end.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
zzzzzz

I was ISOing Dormio in games where he was lynched up until 2011; I think that I didn't see any game where he was lynched as town, only scum.  He always gets killed night 3 as town. 

Will be reading the games where he was towny so I can get a balanced opinion. 

At the moment his behavior is generally in line with scumDormio although he's raging a lot more than I've seen previously so this is new.  There's some specific things that he did as scum in previous games that he did in this game; I want to check that he didn't do them in the towny games before posting about it.  But I ran out of stay awake hit points so time for bed. 

NNR if I see your vote DNA or Dormio when I wake up, I'll hammer.  If it's on Polaris, let's have a chat (but I'm not saying definitely no). 

Sweet dreams~
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 15, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Anyway to be clear; I'm confident Dormio and DNA are scums, but strategically we might want to lynch DNA first since there's a chance you'll get your scan off if scums kill me to protect Dormio.  Unfortunately Dormio might be godfather; he may have blown his godfather immunity when he used the vote trick, however. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 15, 2013, 08:04:07 PM
Sky paladin is the godfather scum.

Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 09:20:59 PM
:/

Dormio, what's your case on Polaris?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 15, 2013, 09:21:46 PM
I think it's adorable how Darkie tries so hard not to be scum in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 10:29:01 PM
I was ISOing Dormio in games where he was lynched up until 2011; I think that I didn't see any game where he was lynched as town, only scum.  He always gets killed night 3 as town. 
What.
I get the feeling that you're looking at some weird alter-Dormio.
Like there's a running joke around here that, when it's D5, it's time to lynch Dormio.
I mean if you look at Graveyard Mafia (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.60.html) (I was what is now OOO), you'll see that I was actually tracked two nights in a row to have performed no action and was hammered by the tracker anyway on D5 when there was only one scum left while nightkills were still occurring.
Also in my very first game of mafia ever (Mafia Rules Mafia (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,8570.0.html)), I was lynched D5 despite having a proven role that I had used every night, one scum left, and I had been the focus of scum tunnelling for the majority of the game.
There are plenty more examples, but I'm just going to put that out there.
Also going to put it out there that it's D5 again in this game.

Dormio, what's your case on Polaris?
Next post.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 15, 2013, 10:39:55 PM
Nein. I am not trying hard. I am just sick
Also i targetted dormio last n. I got activator but what is it?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 4)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
However, before I do so, I'd just like to point out this particular exchange.
well go and make a case on me instead of using stupid confirmation bias based on roles. like actually look at my posts.

of course with the way this game has happened, you're pretty much going to ISO me and b/s a case with stupid points like sky paladin so ugh
I like how you're basically undermining any course of action for me to take while making it look like you're being super totally awesome or something. :derp:
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 12:01:37 AM
I said that to passive-aggressively get you to make a better case on me than any of the previous but instead you went and didn't make a case.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 12:04:11 AM
Nein. I am not trying hard. I am just sick
Also i targetted dormio last n. I got activator but what is it?

i thought you got blocked if someone else targeted the same target as you

i mean i personally think this is 100% evidence for darkninja-dormio buddies
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 01:26:10 AM
We are overthinking it. 

Yesterday, we lynched Validon, but Dormio voted for Polaris. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15871.msg1043720.html#msg1043720)

Dormio's vote was there all day.  Scum didn't try to lynch Polaris and win the game. Therefore, Dormio's vote was a scum voting the last townie OR town voting one of the scums.  Dormio also played an ability to make it harder to lynch him, perhaps expecting a countervote pile-on that didn't eventuate. 

Polaris actually helped us to lynch Validon. 

In the end, I'm going to go with CF7slot message from beyond the grave. 

Thanks buddy! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1024384.html#msg1024384)

This is largely identical to today's Dormio. 

Case closed~ 

NNR, where will you vote?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 02:06:32 AM
First things first, let's start with the most relevant thing.
Like what I said earlier today, Polaris' case that hinges around me supposedly being defended by Validon/Darkninja the other day is bull.
Remember they still had 3 people alive at that point it doesn't matter how many people they sacrifice as long as they get a single mislynch.
And the easiest way to get one onto me would be to have Validon and Darkninjaabc, the two basically confirmed scum, to buddy up to me.
I mean look at how forced their "defence" of me looks it's obvious that it's just a play to get me lynched.

But let's look at Polly-kun's other behaviours.
Firstly, how quickly he was convinced by the case on Selery.
I mean, it's like, you know they were neighbours and had a linked vote but Polly-kun was pretty eager to get him killed as soon as possible.
Or maybe it's because they were neighbours and had a linked vote that Polly-kun wanted Selery to disappear as soon as possible.
Just putting that out there.

Also just look at shit like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039823.html#msg1039823) (from d2 start).
It's like, look at how many options he gives himself with "Oh man these people could potentially be scum if I reread them but I won't for now so that if any of them pick up steam I can easily jump without it looking too suspicious".
This kind of waffling is kind of common throughout Polly-kun's early game, just saying.

Also if you just look at Polly-kun's D3 start it's like "hey I'm going to vote for Cheez8 because :gut:" and what even happened to all of his other potential scums?
Polly-kun does later give explanation while arguing with Mitsuki but it's all like, "well both Sky Paladin and Cheez8 sure are scummy despite me not really having mentioned either of them before today when they were major wagons".

Also, cuts.
And I think that is seriously one of the most retarded arguments I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
How about a little game.  It's just, I don't want this to drag out for another two days, have another night phase, then drag on for another three days.  Let's end it today if we can.  Otherwise we'll still be here next week.  Well, some of us will. 

Dormio, let's say the scum team was Polaris, DNA, and Valoris. 
Why did they hit SB night 1?
Why did they hit me night 2?
Why did they hit Kilga night 3?

Polaris, let's say the scum team was Dormio, DNA, and Valoris. 
Why did they hit SB night 1?
Why did they hit me night 2?
Why did they hit Kilga night 3?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
And just for the sake of completeness, DNA - let's say the scum team was Dormio, Polaris, and Validon. 

Why did they hit SB night 1?
Why did they hit me night 2?
Why did they hit Kilga night 3?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 03:14:49 AM
Wait, in DNA's scenario, NNR is scum.  So I guess, who are your picks for scum now, DNA?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 03:20:34 AM
How the fuck am I meant to know?
Seriously what the bloody fuck?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 04:21:22 AM
Yeah that's a really stupid line of questioning
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 05:01:08 AM
I cant really muster the effort to play this game anymore.

I guess this is what they call burnt out.
I am the town role cop. Yes. My ability fails when it conflicts but apparanrly it didnt trigger.

Sky is just godfather scum with nnr faking his results. i checked wiki and activator is just a role which fakes a mod announcement. Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 05:35:18 AM
Dark if you're not going to try  to at least troll us as scum you might as well stop playing
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 05:36:16 AM
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Wait, in DNA's scenario, NNR is scum.  So I guess, who are your picks for scum now, DNA?
This is the most pointless question you could possibly ask a confirmed scum
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 05:45:24 AM
i checked wiki and activator is just a role which fakes a mod announcement. Get your facts straight.

i can't find this on any wiki
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 05:57:31 AM
like i dunno, as if it wasn't any more obvious that the scumteam is darkninja/dormio ?_? this is kind of sad
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 06:10:02 AM
Thats cool because i dont really know whats the point anymore in pkaying is when the scum controlled the flow of this entire goddamn game
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 06:20:05 AM
##Unvote
##Vote Darkninja


pretty sure if we lynch darkninja now it should prove beyond a doubt that dormio is scum
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 06:23:32 AM
....how?

Ugh, I'm not even sure which of you two (Dormo and Polaris) is even being sincere anymore
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 06:25:53 AM
Well we can lynch Darkninjaabc but in the end it's down to me and Polly-kun anyway.
Also just going to put it out there how apparently I'm scum tied to Darkninjaabc because (?) if Darkninjaabc is scum except it's been pretty obvious that Darkninjaabc is scum this entire LYLO phase so it's basically even more ~implications~ of me being scum with Darkninjaabc/Validon that Polly-kun is trying to push onto me so that he can get the final mislynch on me whenever.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 06:35:15 AM
it'll be a waste of time to try and convince you based on purely hypotheticals so i'd like to ensure the flip is what i expect before explaining.

but if NNR really wants an explanation then i can try `_`
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 06:39:20 AM
I mean, it's really obvious to me but that's because I had the benefit of knowing that dormio and darkninja were scum from the start of the day, but I get the feeling it will sound like nonsense because I won't be able to explain it properly
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:06:59 AM
First things first, let's start with the most relevant thing.
Like what I said earlier today, Polaris' case that hinges around me supposedly being defended by Validon/Darkninja the other day is bull.
Remember they still had 3 people alive at that point it doesn't matter how many people they sacrifice as long as they get a single mislynch.
And the easiest way to get one onto me would be to have Validon and Darkninjaabc, the two basically confirmed scum, to buddy up to me.
I mean look at how forced their "defence" of me looks it's obvious that it's just a play to get me lynched.

But let's look at Polly-kun's other behaviours.
Firstly, how quickly he was convinced by the case on Selery.
I mean, it's like, you know they were neighbours and had a linked vote but Polly-kun was pretty eager to get him killed as soon as possible.
Or maybe it's because they were neighbours and had a linked vote that Polly-kun wanted Selery to disappear as soon as possible.
Just putting that out there.

Also just look at shit like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039823.html#msg1039823) (from d2 start).
It's like, look at how many options he gives himself with "Oh man these people could potentially be scum if I reread them but I won't for now so that if any of them pick up steam I can easily jump without it looking too suspicious".
This kind of waffling is kind of common throughout Polly-kun's early game, just saying.

Also if you just look at Polly-kun's D3 start it's like "hey I'm going to vote for Cheez8 because :gut:" and what even happened to all of his other potential scums?
Polly-kun does later give explanation while arguing with Mitsuki but it's all like, "well both Sky Paladin and Cheez8 sure are scummy despite me not really having mentioned either of them before today when they were major wagons".

Also, cuts.
And I think that is seriously one of the most retarded arguments I've ever heard.
Hmmm, this isn't a very convincing argument, honestly. A lot of players all pretty much had the same cases on all those players throughout the game. I think the biggest black mark is how he (apparently) lynched his neighbor so hard, but I never read D1.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 07:13:49 AM
This has been a rwally cool game. Town couldve won this easily b.
y bbm doc himself instead of nnr

Scums are polly and me and validon. Eff vali being first time scum.

Polly is the hooker. I am rolexop and vali is antitrack.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:15:38 AM
In fact neither of you are hardly convincing that the other is scum.

Bleh, this is so lame, I'm going to go reread D4.

cut by I literally cannot rely on a single thing Dark says right now
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:16:06 AM
In fact dark is wasting his time by typing up game-related things.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 07:16:29 AM
This is a game which town shouldve won. Really. We lucked out with the doc thing and everone literally missed nnrs claim
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:21:45 AM
lmao seriously look at this.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:22:26 AM
Like the level at which they're trying to "defend" me to give Polly-kun cred for whenever LYLO comes between me and him is hilarious.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:24:14 AM
"literally everyone missed my claim"
but Polly was the first one to respond to my claim.

Anyway, reading D4 only convinces me that Polly is a meathead and that Dormio is just plain obtuse

leaning on Dormioscum now because of how many times he's doubled back on his claim.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 07:25:26 AM
Dude. If not blocking you isnt a mistake what is.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:27:37 AM
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it's great that you'll consider the possibility of a godfather for me and not someone you've already investigated like sky paladin >_>
But it's quotes like these that make me want to lynch Polly again.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:29:32 AM
It's funny that my D3 scan was worthless regardless of whether I had last-minute switched to Sky over Dark, since the results would have been the same now regardless.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:30:37 AM
Polly are you sure you really aren't Conq in disguise

you even have an avatar he would use
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 07:32:02 AM
hahahahaha what is even going on
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:32:39 AM
leaning on Dormioscum now because of how many times he's doubled back on his claim.
The fuck?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:33:04 AM
I demand Conq come in this thread and confirm he is not secretly also Polaris.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 07:33:23 AM
I was going to be away from the computer for a few hours, I was hoping for a wonderful story.  Maybe a scumslip when somebody wrote 'After that, we hit Kilga because' and I was going to quote that sentence and focus in on the WE, go omg scumslip. 

Ah, no matter. 

Anyway

I was about to vote for DarkNinjaABC because after all this time, he still didn't vote NNR, and Dormio still didn't vote DNA, but this thread suddenly became great so let's watch the wheels spin for a bit. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:35:45 AM
The fuck?
You said your role did something, then you said it was worthless, but you couldn't use until LYLO, but you revealed that not only was it not worthless, but that you only waited until LYLO to use it.

Confusing and obtuse the way you went about admitting what your role was (and I still can't even be sure if you're still lying)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 07:36:12 AM
can we just vote for darkninja now
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:40:01 AM
No I am probably the only one that can actually decide this game at this point, I think. Sky is just going to go after Dormio tomorrow and I don't even know what will happen when that comes to be.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 07:40:33 AM
;_;
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
In fact now I'm more suspicious of you then ever

good job
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:43:16 AM
You said your role did something, then you said it was worthless, but you couldn't use until LYLO, but you revealed that not only was it not worthless, but that you only waited until LYLO to use it.

Confusing and obtuse the way you went about admitting what your role was (and I still can't even be sure if you're still lying)
Well, does my ability look remotely useful outside of LYLO?
As for saying that it didn't do much, it didn't really and I didn't feel like elaborating further at the time so.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:45:21 AM
Well, does my ability look remotely useful outside of LYLO?
As for saying that it didn't do much, it didn't really and I didn't feel like elaborating further at the time so.
but that's lazy and anti-town
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:45:51 AM
You two are the worst possibly-not-townies ever.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:46:31 AM
Stop making my attempts to decide between you hard.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:47:08 AM
I wonder what the graveyard thinks about this game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:47:20 AM
but that's lazy and anti-town
I think it kind of defeats the purpose of the role if I claim it immediately just saying.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 07:48:50 AM
Quote
Sky is just going to go after Dormio tomorrow and I don't even know what will happen when that comes to be.

I can't imagine scum!Dormio letting me live the night seeing my whole purpose is now built around ending his game.  But on the chance I'm still here day 6, I guess Dormio will vote Polaris, Polaris will vote Dormio, and I'll vote Dormio.  Pop~

Cut by graveyard:  I bet there's half of them screaming for us to hammer Dormio, about a quarter asking for Polaris' head, and another quarter yelling at me for trusting NNR, and one guy who swears the scum team is NNR and Sky.  Oh man, what a game that would have been.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
well here's my hilarious argument: dormio's role is probably fake because no other role has a specific ##action in their pm, so it's probably true that dormio in fact has the "fake mod messages" role, and darkninja was able to say that because he knew dormio's role because they are both scumbuddies. this is corroborated by the fact that darkninja is not even the role cop which will be made evident when he flips. it's obvious that darkninja didn't make up the role to implicate a town!dormio because darkninja wasn't even pushing dormio as scum in the first place even after returning obvious scum role from his supposed rolecop, so whatever.

really lame that it ended up like this but w/e
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:52:00 AM
Mad much?
Seriously, your reasoning is absolute bullshit and you refuse to accept the possibility that you're being stupidly stubborn because you were playing badly and I had a scumread on you as a result that was cleared by the cop.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:52:13 AM
Leaning Polly again. Why would he want to rush D6 now if Dormio were the other scum, unless he wanted Polly to mislynch him?
Polly's status of being alive D6 almost seems like it could be WIFOM regardless of the result, but the above does seem like a scumtell for Polly.

Noting that the irony of Darkie being honest on his scumteam reveal is pretty hilariously bad.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 07:52:28 AM
That last post was re: Sky Palladium.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 07:52:58 AM
*Paladin's status of being alive

EBWOP
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 08:00:58 AM
clearly no one is responding because you guys are all shocked at how impeccable and flawless my logic is. lmao

i'm going to bed. the day better have ended when i wake up tomorrow
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:05:09 AM
clearly no one is responding because you guys are all shocked at how impeccable and flawless my logic is. lmao

i'm going to bed. the day better have ended when i wake up tomorrow
More like are you seriously trying to push a case based on the fact that I have a ##Action while other people don't?
I also seem to have the only action that can be performed during the day.
Or, maybe, it's obviously fake since nobody else has an ability like that. :derp:
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:10:09 AM
Honestly I think Dormio wins here

I feel like I should go back and trust my gut again, trying to waffle on an opinion you're already sure of is usually a bad idea imo.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:11:08 AM
SP are you still on?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:11:30 AM
by "wins" I mean "I think he's town again"
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:16:21 AM
##Vote: Polaris

Sorry mate, but I think trying to debilitate on this further is just going to lead to another headache. Polaris just seems more like scum in the end to me.

Despite Dormio's weirdness in claims, his scumhunting has just been more straightforward in the end, whereas Polaris seems to stymie me at every turn with his opinions.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:18:21 AM
Also by lynching Polaris I am also lynching Conq-Who-Is-Technically-Not-Playing-This-Game in spirit.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BT on November 16, 2013, 08:19:24 AM
Votecount 5.3

Polaris (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Darkninja (1): Polaris

Not Voting: (2) Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc

It takes 5 to lynch. There are 45 hours remaining. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131118T07&p0=110&msg=Day+5)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:20:26 AM
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It takes 5 to lynch. There are 45 hours remaining. It is now LYLO.
Welp, the game is unwinnable now. GG scum, guess you really did trump us in the end.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:21:49 AM
That typo.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BT on November 16, 2013, 08:22:57 AM
I just copypasted from the last one. Blame that other mod.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:23:04 AM
Unless it isn't because Polly-kun isn't at L-1!!!
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 08:24:32 AM
Came on to post again because I thought of something but that's not important anymore I guess.

We should lynch dark ninja first though since he claimed scum anyway >_>
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
The problem is that I can lynch ABC anytime now, as the rest of you convinced me earlier, but I'm the only one that can lynch you, Polly-kun.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 08:30:12 AM
Well at least it wasn't my decision that let scum win.

Gg dormio since I guess his play wasn't scummy and the only reason he became a suspect was PoE. Not gg to dark ninja because lol not impressed.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 08:31:03 AM
At least I can go to bed now knowing the game is over B)

Finally free from mafia at last
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 08:31:34 AM
Go to bed easily*

Ok I'm done bye
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:34:38 AM
Nah I'm totally convinced now that this is the right decision after all. Paladin needs to accept the fact that his scumread on Dormio is probably mostly OMGUS.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:36:19 AM
To steal a quote from BBM, my gut is always right all the time, 60% of the time.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
Who wants to bet Kilga tracked the player who killed him N3?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:38:51 AM
At some point I'm going to get tired of saying inane things.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:39:58 AM
BT is still secretly a bastard mod for making this day a "5 votes to lynch" day and not changing it when I point out the error.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:41:18 AM
what the fuck is a garbanzo, BT?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 08:42:52 AM
My gambit was that by hating on Dormio, scum would hit me tonight after we lynched DNA, thus giving NNR a clear to get a scan off on Polaris/Dormio so we wouldn't have to guess.  Going into the WIFOM situation tomorrow (assuming DNA lynched and NNR hit) I was going to lynch Polaris.  I actually messaged BT my plan a couple hours ago. 

Of course I couldn't discuss it in thread.  I was hoping to get killed tonight instead of NNR. 

But this works too I guess :D

##vote Polaris
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:45:37 AM
Sweet.
Lynch Darkninjaabc tomorrow and it's an easy win.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BT on November 16, 2013, 08:46:59 AM
Votecount 5.4 - HAMMER

Polaris (3): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, Sky_Paladin
Darkninja (1): Polaris

Not Voting (1): Darkninjaabc
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (DAY 5)
Post by: BT on November 16, 2013, 08:53:13 AM
Graveyard: IT'S DAY 5 :D
Thread: ##Vote Polaris

Polaris was lynched. He was:

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Polaris! You're Lunacy Lettuce. You're the kind of veggie no one wants around, since your presence alone is enough to drive others insane. It's a big gift, though, because of the sort of diversion it causes. On top of that, enough exposure remedies any problems others would have with being around you.

Your role is Town Best Pal. Having been an acquaitance of Bushido Banana for a long time, you've decided to crack this case together. For as long as both of you are alive, you must vote the same person for your votes to count. Bushido Banana is played by Serela.

You win when all evildoers are eliminated.

Townies were endgamed. They were:

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, CF7! NekoNekoRex! You're General Garbanzo. You're a true leader of the brave, charismatic and all the rest. You take upon yourself the unofficial role of head of the heroes in this struggle, not planning to waste a drop of potential that can be squeezed out of the role.

Your role is Town Colorblind Cop. You may choose to call another superplant to stick with you for the night, giving you the ability to examine them. You'll only be able to make out a color, but you know identical alignments give an indentical color, so that should do.

You win when all evildoers are eliminated.

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Sky_Paladin! You're Calculator Carrot. You're a tactical genius, fighting crime with your wit alone, making you the ultimate nerd superplant. You hope you and the other heroes can rally together in a way that makes sense instead of flailing arms to see if the threat subdues itself.

Your role is Vanilla Town. Truth be told, you lack the firepower to do something worthwhile all alone. The best you can do is support your teammates vocally.

You win when all evildoers are eliminated.

Scums squealed. They were:

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Dormio! You're Rascally Raspberry. You're childish in nature but use that to its best effect - your ingenuity can pull the sheets under anyone. You live for that sort of thrill, really. What will be the looks on the faces of those goodie two-shoes when you stab them in the back?

Your role is Mafia Activator. Once in the game you may publicly declare a command. Could be anything - from ##Activate Command to ##Inject PLAYER to ##Insert Toast for Profit. As long as it's clear, it'll be announced that a power has been activated, but in reality nothing will happpen.

You know the address of your coalition's secret lair. (http://hoo) You may meet up and talk there at any time.

You win when you outnumber the good guys or nothing can prevent the same.

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Welcome to Justice Juice Mafia, Darkninjaabc! You're Peachy Peach. You have the interesting ability to lighten the mood by simply acting natural, which serves some unconventional purposes. Outside of that, you're just a nice guy to have around, something that gives you positive publicity. You got tired of that pretty fast, though.

Your role is Mafia Roleclop. You may choose to hang out with another superplant during the night, completely pacifying them - they'll both tell you about their ability and forget to activate it.

You know the address of your coalition's secret lair. (http://hee) You may meet up and talk there at any time.

You win when you outnumber the good guys or nothing can prevent the same.

Team Scum wins!
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Conqueror on November 16, 2013, 08:54:32 AM
[03:53:06] <dorMayo_Amakasu> "I don't want Dormio to be free from D5. I don't want to believe this."
[03:53:13] <dorMayo_Amakasu> technically
[03:53:16] <dorMayo_Amakasu> i still don't see d6
[03:53:19] <dorMayo_Amakasu> because the game will be over

masterful use of AtE on D5, I'm proud Dormio ;-;
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 16, 2013, 08:54:36 AM
HOW DID YOU FAIL
TO LYNCH DORMIO
ON DAY 5
FUUUUUUUUUUUCKBALLLS
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: PX on November 16, 2013, 08:55:02 AM
gee gee
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 16, 2013, 08:55:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY

did dark miss the part where I literally couldn't self-protect ?_?
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:55:43 AM
Oh, right.
I was scum.
Oops.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 08:55:48 AM
Even my wife says how did you not lynch Dormio :////
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 16, 2013, 08:56:08 AM
Congratulations Dormio! You're free!
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 08:56:16 AM
Well fuck

Guess I got my wish that we skip to the end.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 16, 2013, 08:56:23 AM
and also free, HEH 8)
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:57:04 AM
Holy fucking shit.
Never give up! Never lose hope! Fight to the bitter end!
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: BT on November 16, 2013, 08:57:15 AM
MOD QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/xgcQ2Zm2tj73M) has the setup and links to night actions in the first post as well as role pms in the second and *authentic rolls* in the third. Also contains rocket science.
GRAVEYARD QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/98mHJ3fCdMks) contains birds.
SCUM QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/q99qnNsKz6Z6) contains hammers.
MOD QT contains links to assbee's QT and Kilgaman's QT.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
gg
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 08:58:04 AM
Ah well GG~~ 

I failed every single pick.  The end. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 09:00:10 AM
This is why I should never trust Dormio to be town in any game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
Somehow I won without voting scum a single time throughout the entire game.
Now, to repeat this as town...
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 09:14:38 AM
On the upside, having ISO'd Dormio in about twelve games, I'm pretty happy I'll be able to pick if he is town or scum pretty quickly @___@;  I should have trusted what I knew.  Ah well.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: WHMZakeri on November 16, 2013, 09:17:39 AM
I'm kind of surprised that Dormio didn't get lynched considering most of his defense was "No, dude, no please, dude, no just no please dude, dude, dude, DUDE NO! No, dude, please just no, dude."
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:18:12 AM
Dewd.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 16, 2013, 09:26:02 AM

Shadoweh (6): Sky_Paladin, Validon98, Polaris, NekoNekoRex, Darkninjaabc, Dormio
Kilgamayan (3): Mitsuki, Shadoweh, Cheez8
NekoNekoRex (1): SB

Not Voting (1): Kilgamayan


NEVER FORGET
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: BigBangMeteor on November 16, 2013, 09:29:24 AM
shadoweh you still put like no effort into the game js

also NNR you quoted me/Anchorman and then threw the game  :(
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
Shadoweh:
Don't forget this one.
Serela (7): Dormio, Validon98, Polaris, Darkninjaabc, PX, Serela, Sky_Paladin
Darkninjaabc (2): CF7, SB
Shadoweh (2): Kilgamayan, Cheez8,
CF7 (1): Shadoweh
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 09:36:18 AM
It is so much glory to be living up till this moment.

Fwck grandma
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 09:37:17 AM
shadoweh you still put like no effort into the game js

also NNR you quoted me/Anchorman and then threw the game  :(
60 is still higher then 40, at least.

Just not high enough this game.

Darkie you don't get to say anything about winning, you were conf scum.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 16, 2013, 09:42:03 AM
shadoweh you still put like no effort into the game js
also NNR you quoted me/Anchorman and then threw the game  :(
I really didn't, it was like Angel Beats On Shadoweh Mafia. I'm making a statement about VCA and how it doesn't mean dissecting the same votecount every post ;_;
It is so much glory to be living up till this moment.
Fwck grandma
I'm going back to read all your posts just because your philosophy has moved me.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: DNAbc on November 16, 2013, 09:47:54 AM
Its my job to be weird apparantly so i just did

Scum is much easier to play than town too in game given my weirdness factor.
I literally handled six debate competitions and two fevers plus two more eaasys during the game and i have to wall on the phone so not so well real life but eh...

Gg town.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: NekoNekoRex on November 16, 2013, 09:53:37 AM
not really, but your play is pretty terrible either way imo, since nobody wants to read your posts
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 16, 2013, 10:04:16 AM
not really, but your play is pretty terrible either way imo, since nobody wants to read your posts
As scum you don't want people to read your posts, see every post Dormio made this game.
Other then the DUDE ones..
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 10:16:09 AM
Dude.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Mitsuki on November 16, 2013, 12:33:21 PM
... wow, Dormio wasn't lynched? (@A@)
I thought that his spam posts about getting people to unvote him were really fake wwwwwwwwwwww I think that town would have written a single line post or such, probably in caps lock, and then more posts but a bit longer panicking about the situation. The way Dormio spammed didn't give the impression that he was in a hurry to stop his lynch nor that he felt that he'd lose the game if scum appeared.

I don't know why I still like playing mafia when it makes me go like "oh my god how can I fail this much" every time I play wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 12:54:41 PM
I think that town would have written a single line post or such, probably in caps lock, and then more posts but a bit longer panicking about the situation.
This argument is almost as stupid as the one against Polly-kun.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dr Rawr on November 16, 2013, 01:00:49 PM
The highlights for me this game was dormios AtE and post 259 :V
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on November 16, 2013, 01:45:20 PM
I TOLD YOU THAT LD1 POST BY DARKIE WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Validon98 on November 16, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
...Wait we WON?!
...Wow, I'm honestly surprised. I was really unsure of our chances of winning since it was really PoE at the end. Amazing job Dormio for pulling it together at the last moment!
I don't think I did too well as first-time scum, but I guess making it to LYLO counts as something. To be honest I expected to be lynched D2, and I was surprised more and more at my survival, especially since I couldn't focus completely on the game (when I said I had to do stuff, I meant it, although I was watching the thread for more time than I implied, although I'd be doing that as either alignment anyways so >_>; ).
All in all, it was an okay game. Honestly I would have wished some of town tried harder (Shadoweh, I still don't know what happened D2 with you and your CF7 votepark), but oh well.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Mitsuki on November 16, 2013, 02:19:36 PM
This argument is almost as stupid as the one against Polly-kun.

Why?
I probably pointed out at the wrong thing, but I can definitely say it didn't look genuine. It was more like you were trying hard to gather the attention than genuinely panicking.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raikaria on November 16, 2013, 02:22:24 PM
And thus; Raikaria's co-modding came to a close.

Everyone remembered I was still here; right? Wasn't mch for me to do towards the end of the game because either no-one had changed votes when I looked; or BT had beaten me to it :/
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on November 16, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
It's okay Raikaria <3

Also yeah Mitsuki's picking at it wrong, and I'd say something but I didn't read indepthly enough post-d2 to reliably remember what Dormio did and did not do. Although I pretty much only remember spamposts of "dude, dude, dude, no, dude, just no, dude, unvote unvote unvote dude" which definitely were, uh, yeah :V
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Vhaltz on November 16, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
This argument is almost as stupid as the one against Polly-kun.

Not like I'm one to talk after last game, but you could be way more civil about the way you comment on these things, you know.

There's several people who seem to have preferred to insult Mitsuki this game instead of arguing things the proper way (see: Serela's graveyard posts). This may have been understandable while in-game because :pressure: and :time-limit: but those aren't excuses to be outright unpleasant anymore.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Vhaltz on November 16, 2013, 02:36:02 PM
Also Cheez8 you did pretty well for your first game here (in my opinion) so don't bash yourself for being lynched.

In order to improve I suggest that you check out what the people who were town said that made them think you were scum, and try not to do those things next game.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Kilgamayan on November 16, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
At least my dead self was right about DNA being a Combo Number 5.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Cheez8 on November 16, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
Also Cheez8 you did pretty well for your first game here (in my opinion) so don't bash yourself for being lynched.

In order to improve I suggest that you check out what the people who were town said that made them think you were scum, and try not to do those things next game.
Okay!

...How 'bout I bash myself instead for having a Dark/Dormio/Kilga scumteam hunch by the middle of Day 1 and not acting sufficiently on any of it, even going so far as to declare Darkie as town for a day or two?
(Thank you though, I will take that advice.)

speaking of not acting on stuff is it actually a good tactic to avoid lynching confirmed scum like you guys just did with Darkie, because, well... I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on November 16, 2013, 03:40:31 PM
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speaking of not acting on stuff is it actually a good tactic to avoid lynching confirmed scum like you guys just did with Darkie, because, well... I'm not buying it.
no >:C

If there's major roleshen reasons it can be but that really wasn't relevant here

I think NNR wanted to do otherwise because he was pretty sure he'd get nightkilled, and that he wasn't sure what decision the rest of town would come to on Dormio/Polly the next day.

edit:Rolecop being filtered to Roleclop is utterly hilarious d1 in this case.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Polaris on November 16, 2013, 04:38:38 PM
Not on my computer so I have no access to my gifs but <insert homura hair flip gif here>

I gave up because I wanted to sleep and knew NNR wasn't going to unvote because he was too tired of thinking so w/e
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 16, 2013, 08:14:13 PM
... wow, Dormio wasn't lynched? (@A@)
I thought that his spam posts about getting people to unvote him were really fake wwwwwwwwwwww I think that town would have written a single line post or such, probably in caps lock, and then more posts but a bit longer panicking about the situation. The way Dormio spammed didn't give the impression that he was in a hurry to stop his lynch nor that he felt that he'd lose the game if scum appeared.
I don't know why I still like playing mafia when it makes me go like "oh my god how can I fail this much" every time I play wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
The reason it's wrong is town doesn't really have a set answer to panicing. Some people get really mad, some people go whatever, some people delight in having caught the scum via votes on them. (They probably wouldn't do what Dormio did because :V but still) Same as how people have different reactions to being voted at all really.

Also we play because we fail and it is townie good.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Not like I'm one to talk after last game, but you could be way more civil about the way you comment on these things, you know.
You're asking for too much from me.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:07:14 PM
speaking of not acting on stuff is it actually a good tactic to avoid lynching confirmed scum like you guys just did with Darkie, because, well... I'm not buying it.
Well, normally lynching Darkninjaabc first wouldn't have mattered, however Sky Palladium's gambit actually forced out the 1v1 between myself and Polly-kun early.
I mean NNR was undecided between myself and Polly-kun but basically he was guaranteed to die and Sky Palladium was pretty convincing in being the super stubborn guy.
So, it's like, if they lynched Darkninjaabc then NNR was guaranteed to die and basically he didn't like having his decision made for him which caused the 1v1 between Polly-kun and myself to happen right then and there.
Or something like that, I dunno.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Speaking of which, that gambit isn't a very good one and it's never going to work Sky Palladium.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Pesco on November 16, 2013, 09:09:20 PM
Edit your posts after the game instead of multiposting. Normal forum rules still apply here.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
But I multipost in the DotA thread too. :ohdear:
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 16, 2013, 10:16:12 PM
there also isn't actually a rule against double posting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17.0.html), so there's that
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Sky_Paladin on November 16, 2013, 11:52:47 PM
I think those guys were just burned out.  But seeing NNR vote after I'd specifically said "Lets talk about it" was kind of frustrating.  He chose the exact moment I was away from the computer to post. 

Eventually it would have to come down to Polaris vs Dormio.  Polaris and Dormio had two black marks in my book while DNA had none.  I've always seen handwaving valid arguments - specifically, attacking the person or the argument with lines like "thats stupid" and not tackling the meat of the logical issue as a big scumtell.  Both Polaris and Dormio had done that to Mitsuki who had posted what I thought was an exceptional piece.  So that was what elevated both of them to scumlevel for me.  Unfortunately, Cheez8 already got picked up by Kilga due to the voting fiasco and I'd just been out-manouvered so had to vote Cheez8.  It was just...a really bad coincidence...

Anyway, the reason I pipped Dormio over Polaris was because of his potty mouth.  I didn't go back and ISO Polaris because I was so sure about Dormio.  I was hoping that we would lynch DNA on the last day and give NNR a chance to get one more check off.  I mean, Dormio, given that I was adamant about lynching you regardless the next day, who would you have nighhit?  NNR or I?  I think that if you were scum you would have gone for NNR because there was still some chance I would mislynch, whereas NNR would have DEFINITELY lynched if he got off his check on you. 

Anyway we made the wrong decisions on the day.  I spent too long twiddling my thumbs when I should have voted DNA ages ago.  Unfortunately the game was very messy once we lynched Cheez8.  We were incredibly lucky that Mitsuki had blocked the hit on night 2, otherwise I don't think we would even have got that chance on day 5.  Or you know, maybe with me being dead, people would have been able to lynch Validon on day 3 instead. 

>.>;;;  Well it was gg well played.  But there's no reason to insult the player personally in mafia.  It's just a game. 
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 17, 2013, 12:04:10 AM
I've always seen handwaving valid arguments - specifically, attacking the person or the argument with lines like "thats stupid" and not tackling the meat of the logical issue as a big scumtell.  Both Polaris and Dormio had done that to Mitsuki who had posted what I thought was an exceptional piece.  So that was what elevated both of them to scumlevel for me.
Mitsuki's argument against Polaris made no sense, therefore it was stupid.
It wasn't logical and it wasn't worth my time bothering to pick apart.
And you realize that it's entirely possible to read people as town without agreeing with whatever it is they're saying or even thinking that they're on the completely wrong path.
Remember, nobody on town has any fucking clue about the alignments of anyone else (other than cops) so their guess is as good as yours and not necessarily right just because they're town.

Anyway, the reason I pipped Dormio over Polaris was because of his potty mouth.
lol?
That's a pretty terrible reason.
You are not going to have a good time playing with me if you're offended by swearing because it's something I do quite frequently.

I mean, Dormio, given that I was adamant about lynching you regardless the next day, who would you have nighhit?  NNR or I?  I think that if you were scum you would have gone for NNR because there was still some chance I would mislynch, whereas NNR would have DEFINITELY lynched if he got off his check on you. 
You realize that this question makes no fucking sense?
If I were town, then I can't kill and therefore cannot choose to kill either of NNR or you.
However, lets say that we were in the opposite situation where I am town and Polly-kun were scum and you have a "definite" scumread on Polly-kun, NNR would still die because NNR would be confirming me as town which leaves Polly-scum by PoE.
Like, seriously, your "gambit" to  get yourself killed over NNR would never work.
Title: Re: Justice Juice Mafia Thread II (GAME OVER)
Post by: DNAbc on November 17, 2013, 12:46:19 AM
Chill gurl.

Its not like we lost or anything, we can just go to AUS maf and discuss there. I just abused my weirdness factor to panic town into a fast decision on either fake!hooker or scum!dormio instead of myself. :V

In the end it came down to luck, we have lost the game actually from when we failed to locate the cop and the doc because they kept replacing out and ended up taking far more time to read.
So perhaps its not entirely our fault?

Anyway.
It's been fun as my first scum game. Really cool we won this.