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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2011, 06:57:46 PM »
1. Remilia Scarlet
2. Kanako Yasaka
3. Suwako Moriya
4. Tenshi Hinanawi
5. Flandre Scarlet
6. Sakuya Izayoi
7. Youmu Konpaku
8. Kaguya Houraisan
9. Yukari Yakumo
10. Marisa Kirisame
11. Alice Margatroid
12. Koishi Komeiji
13. Byakuren Hijiri
14. Utsuho Reiuji
15. Patchouli Knowledge
16. Nue Houjuu
17. Chen
18. Minamitsu Murasa
19. Suika Ibuki
20. Fujiwara no Mokou

I'm a bit surprised Ran and Yuyuko aren't higher. Sakuya > Youmu is also a bit unexpected.

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2011, 06:58:29 PM »
Entire list, because I can. (Warning: 74K PNG image)

Notes:

- Whenever I do this I challenge myself to do it where I never choose a tie unless the two parties are so related that they're completely inseparable in my mind. This is why the only ties are Ichirin/Unzan, Blue Keine/Green Keine, Shanghai/Hourai and Mugetsu/Gengetsu.
- The 'Getsus are so low because their portraits are God-awful. I don't know a whole lot about them but Jesus Christ those pictures are terrible.
- HRtP was not included.
- The purple line indicates where Hatate would go were she actually in the sort.
- Red lines indicate notable breaks in how much I like or dislike characters. Characters grouped together between red lines are all generally at about the same level of like for me, but they are all non-trivially less liked than those in the group above them and non-trivially more liked (or less hated) than those in the group below them.
- Yes, after Hatate is factored in, there is indeed not a single loli in my Top 20. 8)
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 07:06:56 PM »
Entire list, because I can. (Warning: 74K PNG image)

Notes:

- Whenever I do this I challenge myself to do it where I never choose a tie unless the two parties are so related that they're completely inseparable in my mind. This is why the only ties are Ichirin/Unzan, Blue Keine/Green Keine, Shanghai/Hourai and Mugetsu/Gengetsu.
- The 'Getsus are so low because their portraits are God-awful. I don't know a whole lot about them but Jesus Christ those pictures are terrible.
- HRtP was not included.
- The purple line indicates where Hatate would go were she actually in the sort.
- Red lines indicate notable breaks in how much I like or dislike characters. Characters grouped together between red lines are all generally at about the same level of like for me, but they are all non-trivially less liked than those in the group above them and non-trivially more liked (or less hated) than those in the group below them.
- Yes, after Hatate is factored in, there is indeed not a single loli in my Top 20. 8)
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2011, 07:10:43 PM »
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[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
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[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2011, 07:12:51 PM »
I don't get it... x.x

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2011, 08:11:47 PM »
Entire list, because I can. (Warning: 74K PNG image)
- Yes, after Hatate is factored in, there is indeed not a single loli in my Top 20. 8)

I thought Utsuho was considered loli.

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2011, 09:01:52 PM »
- The 'Getsus are so low because their portraits are God-awful. I don't know a whole lot about them but Jesus Christ those pictures are terrible.

I swear the image feature of this should be jammed. :I It's not their fault the creator used possibly the worst art of them possible! When you don't use the pictures, she ends up something like...this!

1   Yukari Yakumo
2   Gengetu
3   Reimu Hakurei
4   Youmu Konpaku
5   Sanae Kochiya
6   Kurumi
7   Tenshi Hinanawi
8   Yuka (PC-98)
9   Kogasa Tatara
10   Yumemi Okazaki
11   Suwako Moriya
12   Hatate Himekaidou
13   Alice Margatroid
14   Cirno
15   Hong Meiling
16   Yuyuko Saigyouji
17   Elis
18   Suika Ibuki
19   Patchouli Knowledge
20   Elly
21   Mugetu
22   Sara
23   Marisa Kirisame
24   Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
25   Shikieiki Yamaxanadu
26   Satori Komeiji
27   Ran Yakumo
28   Kaguya Hoiraisan
29   Orange
30   Meira
31   Koishi Komeiji
32   Koakuma
33   Kana Anaberal
34   Chiyuri Kitashirakawa
35   Maribel Hearn
36   Byakuren Hijiri
37   Yin-Yang Orb
38   Star Sapphire
39   Shinki
40   Renko Usami
41   Sunny Milk
42   Shou Toramaru
43   Flandre Scarlet
44   Kanako Yasaka
45   Rin Kaenbyou (Orin)
46   Unzan
47   Reimu Hakurei (PC-98)
48   Komachi Onozuka
49   Great Catfish
50   Goliath Doll
51   Kikuri
52   Aya Shameimaru
53   Konngara
54   Lily Black
55   Ruukoto
56   Fujiwara no Mokou
57   Shanghai Doll
58   Lily White
59   Daiyousei
60   Reisen Udongein Inaba
61   Minamitsu Murasa
62   Kotohime
63   Nue Houjuu
64   Rika
65   Ellen
66   Luna Child
67   Rinnosuke Morichika
68   Luize
69   Yuugi Hoshiguma
70   Yamame Kurodani
71   Keine Kamishirasawa
72   Kisume
73   Remilia Scarlet
74   Rin Satsuki
75   Iku Nagae
76   Mystia Lorelei
77   Hina Kagiyama
78   Hieda no Akyu
79   Yuki
80   Fluff Ball
81   Nitori Kawashiro
82   Momiji Inubashiri
83   Mimi-chan
84   Mima
85   Sakuya Izayoi
86   Tewi Inaba
87   Lyrica Prismriver
88   Genjii
89   Sariel
90   Ichirin Kumoi
91   Great Tengu of Miyama
92   Kimo-Keine
93   Wriggle Nightbug
94   Merlin Prismriver
95   Rumia
96   Marisa Kirisame (PC-98)
97   Eientei Rabbit
98   Shingyoku
99   YuugenMagan
100   Alice
101   Yumeko
102   Hourai Doll
103   Letty Whiterock
104   Mai
105   Giant Toad
106   Minoriko Aki
107   Shizuha Aki
108   Edo Explosive Pawn
109   Nazrin
110   Parsee Mizuhashi
111   Rikako Asakura
112   Youki Konpaku
113   Chen
114   Medicine Melancholy
115   Orin (Cat form)
116   Lunasa Prismriver
117   Rain Fairy
118   Scarled Devil Mansion Maid
119   Leila Prismriver
120   Tokiko
121   Reisen
122   Mr. Kirisame
123   Zombie Fairy
124   Sake Insect
125   Watatsuki no Toyohime
126   Watatsuki no Yorihime
127   Eirin Yagokoro

Like my last sort, I substituted Tsuchinoko and Yuka Kazami for Hatate and Rin Satsuki respectively. I cried at some of the decisions such as choosing Reimu over Youmu, or the eternal problem that I can't fuse Yukari and Gengetsu into the same ranking (because no ties), but loved ranking the yin-yang orb as always. :3 And, I'm scared, because Aya almost broke my top 50. :ohdear: What am I coming to?!

Oh, and if I had to give a cutoff between characters I love and characters I'm just alright with, I'd place that at number 38.
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2011, 09:04:25 PM »
My list, its full of ties!

1   Suika Ibuki
2   Satori Komeiji
3   Shikieiki Yamaxanadu
4   Keine Kamishirasawa
4   Kimo-Keine
4   Kogasa Tatara
4   Shou Toramaru
4   Byakuren Hijiri
4   Sariel
4   Konngara

Huh, Byakuren is way higher than anticipated, and there are characters I like more ranked higher than characters I like less in general.  :/
Whatever...

There are only 6 more rank categories for the ~100 other characters, too. I really can't decide on stuff like this...  :derp:

And I agree, some characters simply got awful pictures, why did I choose to make that thing with pictures?
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2011, 09:09:59 PM »
I don't get it... x.x
The long and short of it is that some people have been dragged through the worst of a particular fanbase and come out a little worse for wear. I am fortunate enough to have avoided such things, and I am magnanimous enough to let my few negative encounters remain separate from my grading protocol. Thus, I can focus almost exclusively on personality and a little on aesthetics, but others not so much.

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2011, 09:15:09 PM »


Why the hell do I need to do this

Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2011, 09:16:36 PM »
The long and short of it is that some people have been dragged through the worst of a particular fanbase and come out a little worse for wear. I am fortunate enough to have avoided such things, and I am magnanimous enough to let my few negative encounters remain separate from my grading protocol. Thus, I can focus almost exclusively on personality and a little on aesthetics, but others not so much.
Oh I see. Well, I don't know what fanbase or encounters you mean, but you don't have to tell me if you don't want to.

I wasn't mad about someone putting Mima at the bottom of their list, but I did want to know why, that's all.

Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2011, 09:20:21 PM »


Why the hell do I need to do this

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2011, 09:21:15 PM »
I thought Utsuho was considered loli.

Utsuho's considered one of the mature-bodied characters. It helps that she's one of the tallest characters, considering that in 'Soku she has the tallest sprite.
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2011, 09:31:55 PM »
Sorry, I had meant to post that picture and then link to the relevant post, but I couldn't find it and then I got distracted by a need to shovel out the driveway.

My views on Mima are basically this.

I thought Utsuho was considered loli.

She's upper-middlish in Soku and rather well off in fanon. I'm surprised you'd ask about her ahead of Siki and all three of the 'Asas.

I swear the image feature of this should be jammed. :I It's not their fault the creator used possibly the worst art of them possible!

I have nothing else to go on with them, sadly, since I have never played the PC-98 games.

If I ever find them for sale somewhere, we'll see what happens.
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2011, 09:38:56 PM »
Been a while since I did this. I can also more definitively place my top 10 at this point. Things get "hazy" past 30, so that's the limit here.

1   Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
2   Youmu Konpaku
3   Kogasa Tatara
4   Reimu Hakurei
5   Marisa Kirisame
6   Rin Kaenbyou (Orin) / Orin (Cat form) (they're the same to me)
7   Koishi Komeiji
8   Satori Komeiji
9   Ran Yakumo
10   Alice Margatroid
11   Aya Shameimaru
12   Yukari Yakumo
13   Yuyuko Saigyouji
14   Suika Ibuki
15   Sakuya Izayoi
16   Remilia Scarlet
17   Patchouli Knowledge
18   Cirno
19   Flandre Scarlet
20   Parsee Mizuhashi
21   Lily White / Lily Black (also the same to me)
22   Fujiwara no Mokou
23   Kanako Yasaka
24   Kaguya Hoiraisan
25   Hina Kagiyama
26   Hong Meiling
27   Chen
28   Nitori Kawashiro
29   Byakuren Hijiri
30   Nue Houjuu
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2011, 09:40:59 PM »
She's upper-middlish in Soku and rather well off in fanon. I'm surprised you'd ask about her ahead of Siki and all three of the 'Asas.
I still don't get why Siki is viewed as flat-as-a-pancake and envious of Komachi...
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2011, 09:41:37 PM »
and then I got distracted by a need to shovel out the driveway.

Dressed as Syameimaru, yes? :>

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2011, 09:42:49 PM »
I still don't get why Siki is viewed as flat-as-a-pancake and envious of Komachi...

Because angry midgets in power positions are funny, apparently. I don't like that interpretation either.

Dressed as Syameimaru, yes? :>

Not this time, since this was legit snowfall in legit cold. Had to get that shit out of the way quickly, so the homebound cars could actually get into the driveway.
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2011, 09:49:44 PM »
I still don't get why Siki is viewed as flat-as-a-pancake and envious of Komachi...

They had to get the material for everyone else's 'enhancements' from somewhere.


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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2011, 10:01:07 PM »
I still don't get why Siki is viewed as flat-as-a-pancake and envious of Komachi...

People didn't like how their favorite characters were lectured in PoFV.

Admittedly though I've never seen fanon angry loli Eiki so I have no real say on the matter.


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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2011, 10:05:54 PM »
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Some of my results were.... unexpected.

Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2011, 10:12:45 PM »
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1505/73308359.png

Some of my results were.... unexpected.
Your favorites are awesome. Yuka, Marisa, Mima, Mokou, Shinki, Alice, Yumeko, etc. You have good taste. =D

Also, in case I gave off the wrong impression... While Mima is #1 on my list, that doesn't mean I'm sitting around whining for her to come back. I already understand she probably won't be back if it hasn't happened yet. It seems like most of the problems people have when it comes to her is that the fans are annoying, but... I don't want to be stuck in that category. I also like a bunch of the Windows characters, so it's not like I'm stuck in the PC-98 era. I just like Mima as a character.

Well anyway, I don't want to start an argument though.
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2011, 10:26:06 PM »
1   
Yuka (PC-98)
2   Shinki
3   Yumemi Okazaki
4   Yuka Kazami
5   Shikieiki Yamaxanadu
6   Fujiwara no Mokou
7   Suwako Moriya
8   Ellen
9   Alice
10   Elly
11   Kanako Yasaka
12   Reimu Hakurei
13   Marisa Kirisame
14   Kaguya Hoiraisan
15   Ran Yakumo
16   Yumeko
17   Nue Houjuu
18   Shou Toramaru
19   Konngara
20   Byakuren Hijiri

...fairly accurate. :3 I do love PC-98 Yuuka~

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2011, 11:06:08 PM »
HNNG? Okuu beat Reimu for 2nd place?!  :V

1     Yukari Yakumo
2   Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
3   Reimu Hakurei
4   Suwako Moriya
4   Tenshi Hinanawi
6   Remilia Scarlet
7   Koishi Komeiji
8   Suika Ibuki
9   Kanako Yasaka
10   Fujiwara no Mokou
11   Alice Margatroid
12   Yuyuko Saigyouji
13   Satori Komeiji
14   Reisen Udongein Inaba
15   Komachi Onozuka
16   Minamitsu Murasa
16   Byakuren Hijiri
18   Rumia
19   Iku Nagae
20   Sakuya Izayoi
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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2011, 12:08:10 AM »
...fairly accurate. :3 I do love PC-98 Yuuka~

I don't know what I did wrong! My Sleepy Yuuka is so low.  :ohdear:


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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2011, 12:17:31 AM »
She's upper-middlish in Soku and rather well off in fanon. I'm surprised you'd ask about her ahead of Siki and all three of the 'Asas.

To be frank, I don't have a damn clue what exactly is supposed to make one anime-style drawn character look young or old. Granted I generally agree Kanako looks like an adult, and Flan looks like a child. But there are more situations where I just don't get it and I just take other people's words for it. As for Utsuho, I brought her up because I once read someone say something like "A well-endowed loli with atomic power, what's not to like?" or something to that affect, so I was like "oh, she's a loli then".

I asked on another forum what exactly are the visual queues that determine age in anime characters. most people said breast size, which to be honest sounds like a crock to me considering I frequently hear people talk about underage looking girls with oversized breasts when talking about anime.. if it's just breast size, htf are they underaged?

The second most common aspect was how tall a character was. But take China, she has monster height and brests, and while she might not be considered a loli (or is she? I don't know), she's definitely not considered "old" looking like Eirin, Kanako, Yukari, etc. And I'm pretty sure she beats all of them in those 2 catagories, so..

Anyway I don't understand it, I don't pretend to, but I've seen a few people refer to Utsuho as a loli so I just figured it was so.

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HNNG? Okuu beat Reimu for 2nd place?!  :V

1     Yukari Yakumo
2   Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
3   Reimu Hakurei

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" I said I like Utsuho more than Reimu, wtf does it say I like Utsuho more?!?! wtf magic is this?"

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2011, 04:59:09 AM »
or people could play soku for five minutes and see that okuu isn't a loli at all :derp:

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2011, 05:28:05 AM »
I'll just do Top 30, to save space.

1   Fujiwara no Mokou
2   Cirno
3   Hong Meiling
4   Suika Ibuki
5   Suwako Moriya
6   Reisen Udongein Inaba
7   Parsee Mizuhashi
8   Komachi Onozuka
9   Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
10   Yuka Kazami
10   Shikieiki Yamaxanadu
12   Nazrin
13   Yuugi Hoshiguma
14   Momiji Inubashiri
15   Minamitsu Murasa
16   Koakuma
17   Sakuya Izayoi
18   Ran Yakumo
18   Aya Shameimaru
20   Marisa Kirisame
21   Rin Kaenbyou (Orin)
22   Keine Kamishirasawa
23   Reimu Hakurei
24   Mystia Lorelei
25   Kanako Yasaka
26   Yamame Kurodani
27   Alice Margatroid
28   Satori Komeiji
29   Flandre Scarlet
30   Sanae Kochiya

What's interesting is doing several of these, a few months apart. Mokou's always been number 1, but there were surprising changes in the top 15, and surprising... not... changes. Also, a good portion of the reason why Parsee's so high up is because of Parsee Quest. :V

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Re: Tohosort!
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2011, 06:39:47 AM »
loli vs. not loli argument
Unfortunately, some people generalize Touhou characters too much when it comes to this topic. They assume that just because it's filled to the brim with girls, and because of ZUN's art style in particular, all of them must be "lolis". I see this quite often from people into other shooting games, for example.

I try to look for some combination of height and breast size to determine "maturity", though nothing is really set in stone. You mentioned how underaged-looking characters may have large chests, and while that is probably true most of the time in this context, there remains the possibility that character is just short or something (I can't give any examples though). I seem to associate height with older ages myself, but you have to keep in mind this only determines adult vs. child, especially given that "adult" covers a much, much wider age span. To compensate, you can try comparing, say, a college girl around 20 to a middle-aged woman and find non-height-related differences most of the time. Using the characters you mentioned, Meiling (as depicted in the fighting games at least) would be the former, while Kanako and Yukari would fall a bit closer to the latter.

Utsuho combines both, judging from her Hisoutensoku portrait. Admittedly, her third eye kind of obscures exactly how big her chest is, though you can tell she's not exactly flat-chested, and it's clear that she's taller than average, so it's safe to say Utsuho is "physically mature". Whoever told you she was a loli was probably just generalizing, like I described above.

EDIT: Who the hell changed my avatar? Time to fix it back.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 06:42:35 AM by ふねん1 »
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2011, 06:52:06 AM »
lolololo yukari vs. wriggle
cat orin vs. loli orin

1 Sakuya Izayoi
1 Nue Houjuu
3 Marisa Kirisame
3 Shou Toramaru
5 Yukari Yakumo
6 Ran Yakumo
7 Yuyuko Saigyouji
7 Keine Kamishirasawa
9 Remilia Scarlet
9 Flandre Scarlet
11 Reimu Hakurei
11 Tewi Inaba
13 Nazrin
13 Kogasa Tatara
15 Fujiwara no Mokou
16 Minamitsu Murasa
17 Suwako Moriya
18 Alice Margatroid
19 Reisen Udongein Inaba
20 Eirin Yagokoro
21 Cirno
21 Koakuma
21 Lunasa Prismriver
21 Lyrica Prismriver
25 Unzan
26 Byakuren Hijiri
27 Koishi Komeiji
28 Kanako Yasaka
29 Satori Komeiji
30 Momiji Inubashiri
31 Utsuho Reiuji (Okuu)
32 Letty Whiterock
32 Kimo-Keine
32 Nitori Kawashiro
32 Yuugi Hoshiguma
36 Parsee Mizuhashi
37 Chen
37 Shanghai Doll
37 Youmu Konpaku
40 Merlin Prismriver
40 Kaguya Hoiraisan
40 Sanae Kochiya
43 Patchouli Knowledge
44 Daiyousei
44 Hong Meiling
44 Lily White
47 Rumia
47 Wriggle Nightbug
49 Mystia Lorelei
49 Shizuha Aki
49 Minoriko Aki
49 Hina Kagiyama
49 Yamame Kurodani
49 Zombie Fairy
55 Orin (Cat form)
55 Rin Kaenbyou (Orin)
57 Hourai Doll
57 Kisume
59 Ichirin Kumoi

Yeah, well, most of my favorite characters are at the top.