Author Topic: Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN! (Read 97893 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #390 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:10:29 PM »

I am going to go express my discontent with you in lyrical form where you can't see it. Then I'm going to sleep. Maybe I won't be as furious when I wake up and/or the part of me that thinks that was stupidly town of you will go away.

Lexicat · « **Reply #391 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:12:50 PM »

Shadoweh hit the nail on the head. This isn't a normal game K4U. With the way scum will get kills this game, people waiting around are likely to be scum.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #392 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:14:42 PM »

Uh no don't misrepresent me. With the way scum get kills the people waiting around are likely to be TOWN.

Lexicat · « **Reply #393 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:16:04 PM »

Which is why I stopped time to have this discussion.

So we wouldn't give any benefit to the scum while we decided who we should lynch besides Schezo.

I want PX dead.

P-Edit: That's wrong Shadoweh.

Scum will get a kill with every lynch AND every 72 hours they go without a lynch very likely.

So if scum delays a lynch for 72 hours and THEN lynches, they can pull off two kills in a matter of hours.

See why scum would want to WAIT?

Kitten4u · « **Reply #394 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:17:10 PM »

Then I'm confused. What's making you think Schezo could possibly be town? Or am I misreading you completely?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #395 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:19:22 PM »

Wow, is that what you were trying to say earlier? We completely disagree then. I think it's an OR situation. Lynch OR 72 hours after a lynch, whichever comes first. There's hardly enough players to give scum two nightkills that fast.

Lexicat · « **Reply #396 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:20:17 PM »

Quote from: Kitten4u on June 05, 2011, 10:17:10 PM

Then I'm confused. What's making you think Schezo could possibly be town? Or am I misreading you completely?

Schezo is likely town because he is the mislynch that is guaranteed for them.

The scum will delay this lynch for the 72 hours, kill, get the mislynch and then kill again.

That's 3 deaths.

Lexicat · « **Reply #397 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:21:20 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 05, 2011, 10:19:22 PM

Wow, is that what you were trying to say earlier? We completely disagree then. I think it's an OR situation. Lynch OR 72 hours after a lynch, whichever comes first. There's hardly enough players to give scum two nightkills that fast.

Your situation makes this work too.

72 hours after the last lynch, scum get a kill.

Oh, now scum have killed, we lynch in 1 hour.

Scum get another kill.

So in a matter of 1 hour approx. scum have killed 2 people, and we've lynched 1.

See how that works?

Kitten4u · « **Reply #398 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:25:57 PM »

That doesn't explain why he's town to you. At all. I am stoopid, you have to explain things to me.

Oh, and I missed your question Shadoweh: No.

Omba · « **Reply #399 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:26:43 PM »

Quote from: Lady Lambdadelta on June 05, 2011, 10:20:17 PM

Schezo is likely town because he is the mislynch that is guaranteed for them.

But... doesn't this work regardless of whether Schezo is town or scum?

Lexicat · « **Reply #400 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:30:09 PM »

Quote from: Omba on June 05, 2011, 10:26:43 PM

But... doesn't this work regardless of whether Schezo is town or scum?

I considered that. Remember, I wanted him dead the most.

But sadly, no. The town cred the scum would get from this bus of a scum member would outweigh anything else.

But its not like ALL the scum are off his wagon. I'm thinking that if there's a 3 person scum team, it's probably like 1 on 2 off/2 on 1 off.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #401 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:33:37 PM »

No, your logic is still awful. We aren't going to quicklynch in an hour. In fact, we went out of our way not to quicklynch Schezo in an hour, to make sure that doesn't happen. No one has been trying to delay Schezo's lynch past another 72 hour mark. See how this logic works? The only way we can test who is actually correct in these theories is to lynch today. I am egotistical and believe in myself, so I don't care to assist what I believe to be the wrong answers.

Kitten4u: Yeah, me either. Dorian said it's gut, but we're talking it over still. Back to composing!

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #402 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:36:16 PM »

The Fifteenth "The World" Vote Count

Lady LambdaDelta (1): Edible
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (0)
PX (0)
capt.h (1): Schezo
Schezo (5): PX, Dormio, Omba, Affinity, Kitten4U
Kitten4U (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): Shadoweh
Affinity (0)
Edible (0)

Not Voting (4): ActionDan, Capt. h, Zakeri, LLD

Schezo is at L-2
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Game Day Five Ends at 1:00 PM, EDT, Monday

Kitten4u · « **Reply #403 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:43:29 PM »

You seem to be forgetting about the part where he is caught scum.

PX · « **Reply #404 on:** June 05, 2011, 10:52:00 PM »

I am Jotaro ~~Kujo~~ Joestar, Informed Townie. My stand is

Quote from: UncertainKitten on June 05, 2011, 04:29:34 PM

"Star Platinum"

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and I do indeed gain 10 points every game day.

And that's all I do. No active abilities.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #405 on:** June 05, 2011, 11:05:17 PM »

Why does everything interesting always happen when I'm asleep?

Quote from: Schezo on June 05, 2011, 06:34:36 PM

And what does "being pulled into an alternate dimension mean?" youre clearing him?

No, just that I believe his roleclaim.

capt. h whar?

Also, I don't get Shadoweh.
Asking people to defend those that they think are scum is also really weird to me.

Re: Lynch/NK discussion,
We'll just see how it works when we actually get a lynch down.
Because I see no sense in wasting our efforts on arguing about it when we have no way to confirm until it actually happens.

BRB reading moar.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #406 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:05:58 AM »

So, I screwed up. At game start, I said lynches occur at the end of the game day. THIS IS NOT TRUE. They occur instantly when the hammer is reached. I apologize for the confusion. Now, in this system, a lynch still will not *end* the game day. Game Days are just used to increment things for bookkeeping purposes. Everything clear now?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #407 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:16:02 AM »

There's something that strikes me as off about Shadoweh's posts.
Firstly, there's the whole "defend the person you think is scum" thing.
And then, because I like to make my cases one at a time, I'm tunnelling. Naturally.
When I stop mentioning someone, I'm either waiting for a response or nothing about what I think of them has changed.
Also, Shadoweh is the one saying stuff like "If capt. h disappeared, who would you pick now", and later the same question except with Schezo, yet suggests the quick-ish lynch to test the Day/NK theory. I think. If I've misread this, correct me because I'm not in a fully right state of mind right now.

Shit happens.
This took a lot longer than I thought it would.

Cut by mod: Huh, what?
lol.
So I guess we'll see as long as we get a lynch in before the third day ends.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #408 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:31:12 AM »

Always lying to me ;-;
Okay everything I said earlier about being okay with hammering early is no longer true. It does increase the possibility that scum kills might not be related to lynches. Mrr I hate having to guess.

RT@ Dormio: Also, I don't get Shadoweh. Asking people to defend those that they think are scum is also really weird to me. /// I don't get why it's suddenly so hard for you to say anything productive. Your comment on me, for example, what does weird mean? #scumio

Cut by more Scumio. What. When the hell did I suggest we quicklynch? I have suggested we do anything but quicklynch, are you high? And uh, no, you don't normally make your cases one at a time and forget everyone else that exists, I've never seen you do that except once. Guess what alignment you were.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #409 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:35:38 AM »

Uh, I recall reading somewhere about ending this lynch cycle because it didn't look like people were going to contribute anything.
Wherever that was.

capt. h · « **Reply #410 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:47:00 AM »

I earlier asked Dormio to provide reasons Schezo was scum other than his role claim, and said I found Dormio suspicious. Dormio responded that he had nothing to add to the cases already made. I don't disagree, there are plenty of reasons to lynch Schezo already out there, but I didn't ask Dormio to make a case on Schezo because we needed more evidence to get a Schezo lynch. I asked him to make a case on Schezo because I wanted to know his alternate reasons for voting Schezo. Claiming a role is fake is an easy attack for a scum buddy to make during a bus, because they know for a fact that the other scum is faking a role claim. Even against a town claim they have more role information than the rest of us, knowing several of the roles already, which helps in their attacks. Other than that, his only attack today was to report back to us Edible's actions on day 1.

I was never very satisfied with his case against me, partially because he agreed with me about how all of Omba's reads were null while voting me and placing me at L-3. His interaction with Schezo throughout the day was minimal, and the only time he talked directly to Schezo was when he said:

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on June 02, 2011, 08:10:10 AM

I still think that Lambda's claim is a large keg of wine. However, after reading it over with a cooler head, I realize my attempt to have her killed basically boils down to a policy lynch. And policy lynches are bad. Ergo, I need to apologize for that.

Schezo: I believe that his posts, whilst sparse, do make sense.
I'm wondering if he could clarify what capt. h's "blatant misrep" in this post was though.

Blehdibleh: I don't really like how Bledibleh doesn't have a case on anyone right now. ~*~Timezones~*~ may be in effect here, so I want to wait a bit more on this.

Kitten4u: Similar to Schezo, I think she's town.

He disappeared during the last few hours of day 3, which could have to do with timezones, but it also means he never commented on the Schezo wagon on day 3. He only next appeared to tell us that the role is fake, a conclusion he reached with more confidence than any other player.

I'm changing my read of him from suspicious to scummy. I think he's the most likely scum after Schezo.

Shadoweh: Should a pardoned player have a lynch reached on them, we get a votecount reset. The fact that they were pardoned will be known, but not who pardoned them.

capt. h · « **Reply #411 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:50:06 AM »

Quote from: Caedo Ergo Sum on June 06, 2011, 12:16:02 AM

There's something that strikes me as off about Shadoweh's posts.
Firstly, there's the whole "defend the person you think is scum" thing.
And then, because I like to make my cases one at a time, I'm tunnelling. Naturally.
When I stop mentioning someone, I'm either waiting for a response or nothing about what I think of them has changed.
Also, Shadoweh is the one saying stuff like "If capt. h disappeared, who would you pick now", and later the same question except with Schezo, yet suggests the quick-ish lynch to test the Day/NK theory. I think. If I've misread this, correct me because I'm not in a fully right state of mind right now.

Shit happens.
This took a lot longer than I thought it would.

Cut by mod: Huh, what?
lol.
So I guess we'll see as long as we get a lynch in before the third day ends.

Dormio, this post is very strange. You claim you like to make cases one at a time, but in the games I've seen you play you usually post a list of reads on everyone; in fact, it's rare to see you post cases one at a time like this. I'd like a link to the post where she asks players to defend scum picks. Also, you say her play is strange, but you don't say whether it is scummy or not. Are you making a case on Shadoweh, or are you just throwing suspicion onto the only player that has a vote on you?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #412 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:51:03 AM »

Re: capt. h,
Uh, I don't know what you're asking of me?
I didn't have anything to add to the case other than the fact that I thought his role was fake, I really don't see what you wanted me to do.
Because everything I would have wanted to say was already said.
And regarding your case against you, are you basically saying that scum aren't allowed to make sense ever? Because that's the vibe I'm getting from your insistence that my case on you is invalid because I also felt that Omba was waffle-y at the time.

Goddamn I lost my post. This is the short version that I still remember.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #413 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:52:00 AM »

And cut, brb writan' some moar.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #414 on:** June 06, 2011, 01:53:02 AM »

Reads != Case

Anyway.
I think she's somewhat scummy right now.
Will post more on her once I'm properly sane.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #415 on:** June 06, 2011, 03:01:59 AM »

Quote from: capt. h on June 06, 2011, 01:50:06 AM

I'd like a link to the post where she asks players to defend scum picks.

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 05, 2011, 10:08:33 PM

Kitten4hugs, I know this is probably more :effort: for someone who's confirmed scum to you, but is there anything in Schezo's last few posts that sounds townie to you?

She also asked me the same question regarding capt. h somewhere, but I can't find it for now and I'm busy today.

Edible · « **Reply #416 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:03:36 AM »

I'm here before sleep as promised, but due to Lambda's massively facepalm-inducing actions, I guess it won't happen until tomorrow.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #417 on:** June 06, 2011, 05:30:10 AM »

Dormio: Since SOMEONE stopped time in an effort to have people reconsider the lynch I thought it was worth it to ask Kitten if she felt any differently after considering. Schezo has made some content posts, it was a valid question. Schezo tends to sound alot like "Hi I am scum please lynch me!" to me alone.

I asked -you- when there were much better reasons for you to consider the question seriously. It doesn't mean I was asking you to defend him. Really, I feel like you're lashing out at me for trying to make you do something besides agree with people. I don't care if you think your opinions have already been said. Say then anyways.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #418 on:** June 06, 2011, 06:07:25 AM »

Can go die in a fire: capt. h, Schezo

Do not particularly care if die: Shadoweh, Bledibleh, Zakeri, LSD, ActionDan

Still don't have anything to add to what I've said about capt. h, really.
Don't know what you want me to say about Schezo other than it seems he dug his own grave and I also don't believe his roleclaim.
Shadoweh because ~~GET A MIC~~ I think her behaviour has been weird this game. Will make post when sane.
Bledibleh doesn't really have that much content to go off and doesn't really make a case outside of LLD in aforementioned content. So until he starts saying more :words: he can stay in that list.
Zakeri is in the same train as Blehdibleh, but worse.
LSD because only attacking people that attack her and keg of wine and I should probably make another post
And ActionDan because writing another post.

Re: Defending Scum,

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 06, 2011, 05:30:10 AM

I asked -you- when there were much better reasons for you to consider the question seriously. It doesn't mean I was asking you to defend him.

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 04, 2011, 07:53:42 AM

I asked you to find one good thing because even for the worst player it is impossible that every single thing they do sounds bad. Not one? You can't see one little shred of evidence that could make you doubt your read on capt.h for an instant? Are you really -that- sure about yourself or are you just worried about having to, heaven forbid, sound like you might not think he's scum?

Because trying to make me double-guess myself is totally not an attempt to defend him in any way, shape, or form, right?
I mean, please explain how asking me to look for the good things capt. h isn't defending him?
Since when somebody has a lot of suspicion on them and then somebody points out the good things they've done in order to suggest townieness, that's defending them, isn't it?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #419 on:** June 06, 2011, 06:29:32 AM »

~~GET A MIC~~ Shadoweh!
Call it whatever you want, I still think that it's you asking people to defend their scumpicks.
Which I find really, really weird.
And what do YOU think about capt. h?
You've said you were unclear about him earlier but you haven't really followed that up with anything.
Your latest comments regarding capt. h are all just about how to test the governor claim.

Lady Lambdadelta!
I still think that you're swimming in wine.
Got into a fight with me over the miller claim where we both tunnelled, ignoring that.
Disappeared soon afterwards, ignoring that.
Latest posts and reasons for wanting PX dead are all setup/role speculation.
Also, "DIE SCHEZO SCUM" -> "I don't like Shadoweh attacking me and too many people on the Schezo wagon, do not want."

ActionDan!
Will make another post because I lost my train of thought and I'm going to look for it again.
choo choo i'm a train