Jojo's Bizarre Mafia: GAME OVER, ROLES WIN!

[Schezo]

What happns when I flip town?  Besides the rage.  I would like for you all to consider that in your reads so you all aren't stupified and have to change your thinking.

[Kitten4u]

You're still alive you know.  It's not too late to give us some of that delicious WIFOM.

[UncertainJakutten]

The Fourteenth "Star Platinum" Vote Count

Lady LambdaDelta (0)
Omba (0)
Zakeri (0)
ActionDan (1): Kitten4U
PX (0)
capt.h (0)
Schezo (5): PX, Dormio, LLD, Omba, Affinity
Kitten4U (0)
Shadoweh (0)
Dormio (1): Shadoweh
Affinity (0)
Edible (0)

Not Voting (5): Edible, Schezo, ActionDan, Capt. h, Zakeri

Schezo is at L-2
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Game Day Five Ends at 1:00 AM, EDT, Monday

[Omba]

I wouldn't mind just lynching him around the 48 hour mark.  If people haven't posted something useful/substantial by then (except for maybe Dan who seems to have an excuse) then they're probably lurkscum anyway.

Or are waiting to see some damn flip. This waiting around is kind of... demotivating, honestly.

Alright.  I'm going to be operating under a few assumptions:
1.) Schezo is mafia
2.) Serpentaruis was killed by mafia
3.) capt. h is town

##Vote ActionDan

Another reason why I want to see Schezo's flip as soon as possible, in addition to the NK reason Affinity brought up.

Omba's is a pretty blatant wagon hop for no apparent reason.

You mean apart from the fucking DEADLINE thing? And that aside, the reasons I -did- bring up?
I -did-, however, not write anything about Schezo before that point, that much is true.

Oh right I guess I should address Omba's concern about the kill. Town vigs tend to target people who look like scum. If a town vig thought it was a good idea to shoot freaking Serp yesterday I will punch them in the throat the moment they claim for being a dumbass.

Dumbasses aside, that still leaves us with a lot of anti-town directions that kill could have come from, besides being a standard NK.

I don't really think we should bother lynching for the information when quite a few people's roles seem to be so point heavy.

Assuming at least one of Schezo and capt. h is scum, that means scum work with a point system, too. We don't know if it has anything to do with their kills, but it is at the least very likely that they have abilities that are tied to the number of game days that passes. What tells you that waiting around is more beneficial for town than for scum?

...  Bah, whatever. If Schezo is not by some miracle speed-lynched in the next few hours, I guess I'll do some more analysis before I get his flip.

[Lexicat]

Schezo really needs to die with his most recent posts...

[Kitten4u]

:/

Man, I was hoping to get something out of this day.  I didn't think it would be that hard for people to just assume that he was scum and scum hunt as though we already had his flip.  Sigh, well I guess if nothing's going to happen I can put him at L-1.  I'll give people two hours to tell me not to just in case people are actually willing to do something.

[Kitten4u]

You mean apart from the fucking DEADLINE thing? And that aside, the reasons I -did- bring up?
I -did-, however, not write anything about Schezo before that point, that much is true.

You had previously stated that you found capth suspicious and in your reasons post you had stated that you really hadn't been paying any attention to Schezo.  I find this suspicious.

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Actually, I will go ahead and say this.  I'm kind of irritated that this entire day has only been "lol Kitten4u."  My gambit didn't really warrant that much discussion since it more or less confirmed Schezo as scum.  That was its only purpose.  The only reason I didn't outright quicklynch him was because Shadoweh said there was a chance that scum might get their NK after we lynch too.  I consider the 48 hour mark a good compromise between learning about the set-up and scumhunting, but that's only if we fucking do something.  I do not understand why it's so hard to just pretend like we have his flip already.  Zak seems to be the only one that thinks there's any possibility at all of him being town, so why aren't the rest of you scumhunting?!

This day should not be demotivational.  We have scum.  Go find the rest.  I even made an effort to do it, thus paying less attention to the awesome that was drunk karaoke and creating several awkward silences and I even stayed up later than I wanted to (I basically fell over the second I hit post) just so I could give you guys some content.  I don't understand why it's so hard for the rest of you to do the same thing.

[Shadoweh]

Dan: If you need two days you should take them now so you're not gone too far past Day 7. I'm pretty sure we're not lynching you yet unless someone claims a guilty on you over Sailor Schezo over there.

Schezo: The only thing that would stupify me more is if you contributed! I suggest if we go into Day 6 your post be a song about how the RNG wants you to be scum to the tune of Paint the Town Red.

@Shadoweh: I'm quite sure myself (though not for complete certainty) that capt.h and Schezo being scum together is more than a technical possibility; the content of each other's posts seem to confirm the other as scum as I raised above.

Well fair enough if you really think so. I don't think we're any happier with capt.h then you are still, but there's a long list of everyone else we're not happy with. I agree that most of yesterday was chipping in nothing, it doesn't make me any happier about it. The information is more useful after the flip only if people actually put out the bloody information in the first place. I feel Schezo is a bad excuse to forget all that other early game stuff happened. LLD and Dormio still had a spat, Dormio is still singlemindedly twittering, Omba still voted Edible, Dan still seems to think I'm scum, I have no idea if Zak still thinks so since he STILL hasn't given me those opinions I asked for, Edible is still doing insane amounts of active lurking, and my parrot and I agree that if we consider Omba and Edible's post to be meager, then PX can only be described as freaking famished with streamlined opinions that he literally only contributes when I prod him. We are NOT going to forget three days just because Schezo trainwrecked so hard.

Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire. I mean, really lynch the seven hells out of her over Schezo. The only part we disagree on is whether the ragequit is a sign of townism or not. It's certainly not the content since her posts alone consist of votepark, WIFOM Miller claim, blatantly attack the first person to point out it's WIFOM and vote her, insist one person voting for her is scum realllly pushing for that miller lynch, then claim she didn't introduce any WIFOM, all she did was claim Miller. Newsflash, it was WIFOM and someone was going to vote you for it. Since everything after that from her is /effort and jumping on Affinity's capt.h x Schezo train, I admit I'm also interested in their flips. If I start to feel like I'm talking to a wall again I'm going to let Dorian do the talking to you for me, and he wants you dead so you reallllllly don't want that Lambda.

I still want answers to questions people have been ignoring for days. I don't want them to be forgotten in the rush of 'Hooray Schezo flipped scum!' or 'WTF SCHEZO IS THE WORST TOWN EVER!' I fully intend to keep pushing these questions after the lynch if I have to. But like I said, the only real reason to lynch early is going to be motivation. Omba, I'd imagine it's true the scum work on points as well. The reason it should in theory be better for town to wait the extra day is there are simply more of us then there are of them and eight-nine roles should beat three and a possible one's role.

Kitten stop cutting me with everything I want to say.

[Edible]

Right, so.  Stuff while I have time at work.

@K4U, re: your comment on my absence and not voting while I was there - after I posted this, I basically retired for the evening.  Had I known we were under an actual timelimit as opposed to our previously discussed soft limit, I imagine I would have had more impetus to vote.

There's little that needs to be said re: Schezo after his last few contributions.  I would like capt.h to prove his role in some capacity, but I'm not sure how to safely test a gov shot.  Anyone have an idea?

LLD is awful and I'm all in favor of lynching her posthaste (or rather, after Schezo).  She has had no content outside of arguments spawned by her ED1 gotcha shenanigans, outright claims refuge in audacity in a post, and in the same post both yells at Schezo for asking why scum want to attack millers, which Serp also asked, and she never answered despite claims she did, and also promised a detailed case on Schezo and capt.h which never came; how convenient that we're probably going to lynch one of them before she has to bother doing so.

Zakeri needs to exist badly.  I liked his stuff early on, but since then he's had little to no content and outright admits he's not keeping up with the game.  Frustrating.

The way PX is approaching his cases irritates the hell out of me and if I can quantify it outside of "it's PX" I will do so.  Kind of reminds me of Seniwac without all the self-loathing.

Speaking of early day things, I don't think I'm properly representing how much Dorian wants us to kill LLD with fire.

Thank pesco I'm not the only one.

[Omba]

You had previously stated that you found capth suspicious and in your reasons post you had stated that you really hadn't been paying any attention to Schezo.  I find this suspicious.

Yes, this is true.

I don't like making assumptions about flips, but this

I imagine this will play out like DtB except without the whole deadline thing.  Lynch, then scumnightkill after a day ends and that's about it.  Should we rush 24-48 lynches, no I don't really think so, the 72 hour deadline has always seemed to work in the past before so I'll say keep to this schedule and only detain if we have something hot going on and have to carry over into a 96 hour day.

is interesting if Schezo flips scum. I was expecting a few people to push for dragging our first lynch out, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting everyone but one (? I'll have to re-read later to make sure it was just Affinity) to go along with it.

Omba, I'd imagine it's true the scum work on points as well. The reason it should in theory be better for town to wait the extra day is there are simply more of us then there are of them and eight-nine roles should beat three and a possible one's role.

This is a very dangerous assumption to make. Simply because we don't know what roles scum have. Number of roles tells us exactly nothing about the power those roles have; this can easily be adjusted so neither side has an advantage, or so that scum has an advantage if we do very long days.

cut by Edible

[Schezo]

I don't know if you know this or not but I intentionally withheld the flavor of my role for a few reasons, and it looks like what I feared immediately happened as soon as I revealed it. My character is a pretty big bad guy and surprise surprise didn't match up with the wiki. As if a wiki tells you absolutely everything about a series since upon further investigation my character does do some groundhog day esk time manipulation thing after you have already been told flavor means nothing. Great job Durrmio, make a weaker case on me if you could please.  And what does "being pulled into an alternate dimension mean?" youre clearing him? Oh, Wait our other noisemaker from yesterday, let's take a gander at the

Which of Certainty: goodness!  Do you have anything else to do besides set traps and tunnel relentlessly on 1 person at a time?  No really. I have no idea what you think of Durrmio now all I do know is that you convinently pop in long enough to slam me after I've been all but bound up and then waltz out the side door where no one can hear you opinions of anyone else. Fantastic. Ok so, I die and magically flip town, (cue everyone and their dog "OMG Schezo, what the fuck?!) Three names, who's scum and why?

Hi Shadoweh: thanks for essentially starting a massclaim despite what you say. No really that's freaking awesome since the logical jump is 100 point powers > 30 point powers. If only I had two votes.

Capt h: can you get anymore bad reasons to get on me?  Half of your case on me is "loltimezones you conviently waited so you could make any easy case on people." Orr I could have been waiting, nobody said anything when I could post, then I find scummy people who are still scummy you're all shocked. "What happened?!"
Yes I intentionally waited an hour until deadline to roleclaim since I just came back and went "lolwhat I'm a wagon?!" you keep the whole, "Schezo's misrepping me when Affinity and Serp gave the same reason" thing going and it's terrible.
##Vote: capt h

I've been frustrated since kitten's fake vig gambit since the opinions I left before that seem to have been so casually ignored, in my position, you really think I want to type shit up for an hour for people to just glaze over it and move on like nothing happened? 
There
>opinions
I'll be back later with more.
-hi Edible and Omba

[Schezo]

And what does "being pulled into an alternate dimension mean?" youre clearing him?

Being capt h

[PX]

For testing Capt. Kiro's claim, I'll offer myself. I'm an Informed Townie, and I know that Sakuya Izayoi Dio Brando is in this game and wields ZA WARUDO as an ability.

I prefer lynching Schezo ASAP just to test the limits of the killing roles, whether it activates every 3 days or after a kill.

I still support lynching Durrmio. All he has done is focus exclusively on one person at a time. He doesn't attempt scumhunting outside of this target, and NEVER POSTS OPINIONS ON ANYBODY. In addition, besides his LLD tunnel, HE HAS ONLY VOTED ON THE BANDWAGON. Did I mention he doesn't post opinions, just says what he does? I want either Schezo, Dormio, or Capt. H dead.

Miss Miyo/LLD: Holy crap, just swap her into the above case and it fits perfectly. WTH IS GOING ON.

Also, yes I am withholding the flavor of my role. I'm just providing the things Town needs to know.

[Edible]

Mon dieu, I'm not voting anyone.

##vote Lambda

[Kitten4u]

As promised

##Unvote
##Vote Schezo

[Edible]

DOUBLEPOST GO

For testing Capt. Kiro's claim, I'll offer myself. I'm an Informed Townie, and I know that Sakuya Izayoi Dio Brando is in this game and wields ZA WARUDO as an ability.

I'm okay with that.  Now all that remains is deciding if we want to test his claim before or after lynching Schezo.  I vote after.

Ninja by K4U - thoughts on this plan?  (The execution of it; the timing part seems to have been answered by your vote)

[Kitten4u]

I'm still hesitant to test his claim.  Assuming Serp was the NK we've already lost one lynch.  If they're able to NK right after we lynch even if 72 hours hasn't passed then testing it would just lose us one more.  I think capth is town at this point (counter-wagon to Schezo, only wagon for a respectable chunk of the day, townie sounding claim) so I'm not particularly eager to test it.

[Shadoweh]

goodness!

BRITISH GOVERNOR SCUM!

Hi Shadoweh: thanks for essentially starting a massclaim despite what you say. No really that's freaking awesome since the logical jump is 100 point powers > 30 point powers. If only I had two votes.

I would have found 90 more logical then 100, but okay. I just think your role sounds really bad for something that takes over three kills to get to. I don't -think- UncertainKittan hates doctors that much.

I'm going to confer with my other side about your post. At the very least I can assure you if you get lynched your opinions won't be forgotten, one way or the other.

I suggest we not test it on Schezo, he'd be stuck with us for another lynch after that. x: Same with PX.. is there ANYONE we want to either get lynched by falling for a fake governor or be stuck with for a lynch cycle after the governor's pardon?

Cut by Kitten saying my thoughts again! ARE YOU PEEKING AT MY QT KITTEN?!

[Schezo]

We have someone who claims their ability works the same way and you discredit mine for that?  What am I doing here?!

[Edible]

I'm still hesitant to test his claim.  Assuming Serp was the NK we've already lost one lynch.  If they're able to NK right after we lynch even if 72 hours hasn't passed then testing it would just lose us one more.  I think capth is town at this point (counter-wagon to Schezo, only wagon for a respectable chunk of the day, townie sounding claim) so I'm not particularly eager to test it.

Here's the thing - if he's lying, we've lost one relatively suspicious player (PX) and get a scumkill the next day.  If he's not, we practically have him as confirmed town (though I also agree that he's probably town anyway).

I suggest we not test it on Schezo, he'd be stuck with us for another lynch after that. x: Same with PX.. is there ANYONE we want to either get lynched by falling for a fake governor or be stuck with for a lynch cycle after the governor's pardon?

I thought PX works pretty well here.  He's on my "annoying but I have bigger scumfish to fry" list, which makes him a prime candidate for testing in my eyes.  Plus he did volunteer.  I just wish capt.h could use it on himself. :/

[Kitten4u]

@Edible
Not sure if it's worth giving up a lynch for.  If no one is NKed after Schezo is lynched then I might reconsider, but until then I just don't see the point in trying to confirm the role of someone I think is town when it hurts us.

[PX]

Can someone just lynch him right now then? There's no point in stalling for Town. We're running under a lot of assumptions, and this flip is crucial.

[Schezo]

Ok...
So now the best course if action I can see to take for us is to let ya'lls check in and give some solid fucking opinions before you see a flip that will knock your socks off so people can't play stupid tomorrow or go, "I knew it all along"
This would especially help with the people who haven't given any opinions at all.

I'll be around for deadline and I would like to give us the best chance to get opinions out of people so I could hammer myself ~ an hour before deadline since you obviously want this lynch and peope can't blabber after my flip without some bias and changing of opinions.  Plus someone could stay with me to make sure I'm not riding out another day and hammer me if I don't myself.

[Shadoweh]

It's not my fault my role doesn't work the same way yours does Schezo. I don't discredit it for the point value NOW, just that it sounds really weak.

About testing the Governor: If the role works the way capt.h says it does..

When a majority vote is reached, the vote count will be reset, and you will be informed that the player was pardoned. You will not be informed about who pardoned the player, and the day will not end. I do not know anything about when scum gets to kill, and when I asked UK she refused to answer.

capt.h can clarify, but it sounds like we won't have to wait until the day ends to find out the votecount was pardoned, it'll happen instantly, and the day itself won't be affected by it. We'd just have to make sure he's on standby and ready, and not able to say he wasn't here to do the action. It shouldn't give scum another kill.

This would still only confirm his role, not the side he's using it for.

[Edible]

I'll vote him before I go to bed tonight, per the two-day thing discussed yesterday.  That should give us plenty of time to wrap up any other thoughts on the matter.

Guess that counts as announcing intent to lynch.

Ninja by Schezo.  Screw waiting for deadline, assuming 1 AM Tuesday is "deadline" like 1AM Saturday was.  I'm not risking another no-lynch.

[Shadoweh]

It's not like the day will end even if we lynch him now. According to our benevolent UK goddess who we all love above all else and is made of candy and goodness, we'll get flips at 1 when the day ends, yes?

*=D*

[Lexicat]

For testing Capt. Kiro's claim, I'll offer myself. I'm an Informed Townie, and I know that Sakuya Izayoi Dio Brando is in this game and wields ZA WARUDO as an ability.

The first person to point out what is wrong with this claim gains a cookie from me.
 
(If no one sees what I see, I'll gladly point it out, but I'll give you all a chance first.)
 

[Shadoweh]

THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER! THAT'S A DEVIL FACE UK, I TAKE BACK ALL THOSE NICE THINGS I SAID!

Your opinions are invalid until you get a mic.

Fine I will go link to your first votecount myself you hellcat!

Mod Note: A Game Day ending does NOT reset the vote count or end in no lynch. It merely is an easy way to increment things. Lynches will always occur at the END of a Game Day. Consider the time after the hammer is dropped a "twilight" of sorts.

LLD, I don't know if you noticed but some of us are a little bothered by you right now so please, don't hold back, feel free to contribute things to today that aren't VOTE SCHEZO!

[Lexicat]

Be as bothered as you please. I want to see if anyone sees what I see.
 

[Lexicat]

Can someone just lynch him right now then? There's no point in stalling for Town. We're running under a lot of assumptions, and this flip is crucial.

Oh, and this makes me nervous now.