Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm willing to go for anybody on my "looking not-so-town" list.
And it doesn't look like anybody is interested in a Zakeri lynch.
Ignore the fact that he's about to be prodded in an hour.
And the fact that he was there but not participating in most of D1.
And that he ninja hammered catp. h when Conqueror stated that he still had more to say.

Hanged Hourai only has a few hours (4) before he's prodded, too.
I almost forgot that he's playing, and I really don't like that.
Guess we'll have to wait for more content from him.

I like how Bardiche's claim gives him a free "I'm going to lurk now" button.

Yonowaaru. What more is there to say?

All NeoSerela seemed to be doing D1 was bandwagoning.
D2, he is looking better, as is Schezo.
Least willing to switch to these two, for now.

I still want to vote for Zakeri, but I'm willing to switch to anybody on my "looking not-so-town" list.

Why must you all look so anti town.

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[Conqueror]

Looks like we declared war on the lurkers for the day? Seems like a rather easy stance to take, but uh ok, I guess we can always start there. A question though for UK: Why those three specifically, and not Hourai or Dormio?

Looking at Serp's suspicions before he died (as he makes sense as scum NK), it looks like he was looking at UK, Zakeri, and the lurrrkers. Just a point of note for NK analysis or whatever.

************************Happy Happy List Time Part One**********************************

Yonowaaru isn't playing the game. The only game-relevant post he's made is basically this one, which is just arghghgh because it is basically a useless post content-wise. And he votes Bard, for some reason (I guess "screwing around" is what I can get out of that). Really, if you're not going to play, get a replacement or something because it's impossible to draw anything from a complete lack of content. That said, you made a funny little comment here:

Eh..
I totally understand you want to lynch me now, and you should, but you could also let me gather my bearings and actually DO something.

  :wat:
Anyway, I can't particularly condone a Yonowaaru lynch for today because 1) it gives us absolutely zero information and 2) the lack of activity is, while anti-town, pretty much a null-tell as he might just not know how to play forum mafia properly. If he doesn't start playing though, he should have to go before the end of the game, whether by replacement, modkill, vig, or lynch.


Schezo's first real post, #135, is where he votes capt. h and basically gets the wagon started. His reasons for voting capt. h relative to what was else was on the table at the time are fairly solid though (the rest of the post can be safely ignored). His next big post, #238, pokes some more at capt. h and again, the reasons for keeping his vote on capt. h are visible and understandable. The side comments on Helepolis and Zakeri either waffle or don't bring anything new to the table. And wow, that's his day one activity. Doesn't look too good, but I understand where his capt. h vote was coming from.  On to day two. His first post, #435, pulls a case on Bardiche out of pretty much nowhere, but let me summarize his reasons for voting Bardiche here: 1)Command shenanigans, 2)ShadowehxBard buddying, 3) Bard's jumping off of capt. h onto Zakeri. The first is more anti-town than a scumtell, the second is a semi-valid reason (although somewhat silly IMO), and the third is indeed suspicious but it's a misrepresentation of what actually happened - Bard jumped off capt. h onto the Zakeri wagon, and then later jumped back on capt. h. The rest of the post is waffle or fluff. Okay, so it's a mediocre case, but given he has no other cases...well... it's actually not that bad. Schezo's most recent post makes a decent post on Serela, although he throws more waffles at Helepolis.


Now for NeoSerela, hmm. It looks like he acknowledged the "typical capt.h song and dance,"...but then voted for him anyway. Then he says capt. h is looking better, but it's too late to switch to anyone else now! Interesting that he gives no viable alternatives to either of the lynches if he didn't really like either of them; it's like he didn't think anyone was scum. On day 2 he votes the obvlurker much like what he accused capt. h of doing in his initial vote for capt. h. Anyway, now he makes his first real case, against Schezo. His points are that Schezo started the wagon on capt. h (not a scumtell, even if capt. h was town, and weren't you on the wagon as well?), and then he acknowledges that Schezo made a good point on capt. h that is now void considering capt. h is confirmed town, ignoring that 1) we don't know who is town until they flip and 2) Serela did exactly the same thing, except his reasons were even shoddier.


Basically Schezo is bad, but I can at least assign some sort of town motives to his actions, lurky as they were, because he at least gave reasons for his vote. Serela is everything Schezo is and worse - his vote on capt. h just feels like a bandwagon hop. I could probably also throw in active lurking as a charge seeing as I can't get much else from his numerous posts.

##Vote: NeoSerela

More to come later. Cut by UK voting Yonowaaru. Why him instead of Serela or Schezo? Also, repeating my query earlier in this post: "A question though for UK: Why those three specifically, and not Hourai or Dormio?"

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Why do you hate me so?
You said you'd make another post at the end of D1 saying stuff about me and Bardiche, what happened to it?

[Conqueror]

Oh, you guys are coming up next, don't worry about it. I'm going to make a post about every single bloody person in the game.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Re: Yonowaaru.

it would be nice if you provided reasoning for your lovely insight.

[UncertainJakutten]

@Conquerer: Because Hourai and Dormio have both been posting and I have a general idea of where they kind of sort of stand on things. Waffling, as annoying as it is, isn't lurking. And the waffling more applies to Dormio.

As for why Yono over Serela? At least Serela is POSTING now. To be honest, I'm willing to lynch his ass today too, but it's not as high a priority. He'll probably be lynched tomorrow if he isn't today. Yonowaaru though...he hasn't been doing anything. He's been pretty much a bump on the log and refused to even answer a reasonable request. He's hiding any damn intent he has, and when he does post, it's pretty terrible and doesn't really further the town. If he requests a replacement, I'll probably consider switching to Serela to at least give the replacement time to dig their grave.

[PX]

Taking a puff of my cigarette, I look on at the crowd of people yelling around. Looking at the log of nearly 500 posts, filled with walls of texts, I sigh and take a final breath. Throwing the used cigarette onto the ground, I prepare to shoot out my brains.

Confirming, reading, expect a post in 48 hours.

[Hanged Hourai]

Neo-
Great, you responded about how you feel on UK today. Problem is, that's not what I asked for. I wanted your case on her from back when you said you were willing to wagon on her if other people started doing it. I want the case on her you said you had on D1, not how you feel D2. You never explained that case, and unexplained cases make Hourai a sad crimson mad scientist doll helper. Don't give me a tl;dr version on something you never expounded on.

Dormio-
I'm a little more suspicious of. He says that I have some time before prodding, and forgets that I've been playing. And he says in the opinion posts that I was being townie and not having any scummy vibes. At least, until the point where I show more suspicion of him where he was willing to get on both the wagons with little conviction.

Schezo-
Hi. Not too much to go on, but I find some townie vibes right now. Makes good points.

Helepolis-
Ughh. I'm calling neutral right now. I can't imagine scum would push so hard on a scumteam when they knew one of them would flip town. I'll look through the conspiracy theories later and see if anything of interest catches my eye.

Yonoverybadlurker-
I swear, if you make me drop my case and vote you because you're a horrible lurker and anti-town, heads are going to roll. i.e. yours
Do something useful now.

[Kitten4u]

Voting
Zakeri(1): Dormio
Schezo(3): Zakeri, NeoSerela, PX
NeoSerela(3): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror
Bardiche(1): Yonowaaru
Yonowaaru(1): UncertainKitten

Not Voting
Helepolis, Bard

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
~42 hours remain

[WHMZakeri]

I'm feeling to lazy to actually sit down and read through everything, so I'm just going to glance over. I apologize if I miss any questions, but just requote any you need answered.

It's easy to say "What? You're lynching people who don't talk? But how can they defend themselves when they don't talk? That's the easy way out of making a case." But the truth is that it's not as easy, nor as unimportant to lynch lurkers as you would believe. For starters, there are people like Conqueror who are defending lurkers right to not be vote, so that automatically makes it not the easy way out since suddenly the person voting is under scrutiny. Secondly, lurking does not excuse people from being scum, and in fact may even indicate people who are scum (Examples: Alice Margatroid and Myself, respectively) Scum may especially be tempted given MotK's general meta leaning towards giving lurkers a prod and a pillow for them to rest their head on, as oppose to people actually agreeing to lynch them.

The third thing I want to get at, and the most related to this game is that in my reads over day one, I actually have several cases for why certain people are town, yet my best case for who is scum is just a weak "Well, he was on a town wagon yesterday." Even a large part of my case on Schezo is based partially off of lurking and not mentioning anyone beside Me, Capt.H and Helepolis. This indicates that we either don't have enough cardflips, or enough people posting regularly, and the first one will automatically fix itself as time goes on.  The second won't if we just let people go.

That said, It would be easy to convince me to lynch Yonowaaru.

Cut: Hi PX.

Also, I completely don't apologize for the hammer. I'm sure what conqueror had to say about wanting to lynch me was important, but what with there being half-an-hour left in the day, It didn't even really matter if we couldn't talk during Twilight, since he only would have had to wait a few minutes anyway. Besides, to be honest, I didn't know Conqueror said he wanted to post before the hammer.

I'm reading [Zakeri's reason not to make a case on Bardiche] as, you don't want to make a case on Bardiche because he's conducting everyone since the day started, what?

Umm, what? I'm not seeing what you're reading, or if this is just a backhanded attack against Bardiche.
The short of it is, I don't really see a reason why Scum Bardiche, or even a town Bardiche with a different role than what he claimed would even admit to targeting Shadoweh. In short, I think Bardiche is, well, not mafia. Unless your confusing the words "Conducive" (to assist) with "Conductive" (to command).

That said, "I promise to improve" Doesn't make me want to move from my case.

Zakeri: All he's done this game is tunnel on UK, unvote UK and disappear for the rest of the day, reappear in time to hammer capt. h.

You must have missed my post 284 since you seemed to have not included it with "all I've done." I'll forgive that, since I didn't vote, but I did claim in post 290 below that I would have voted for Schezo, who I'm keeping towards right now.

As for Schezo, Post 435 and 437 where he votes Bardiche based on what Bardiche is trying to claim with his role is not scumhunting, but it strikes more of frustration rather than pushing a bad case. His 477 however is a complete 180 in a good way. He turns the tables on Neoserela with the who started the bandwagon point. This makes me want to go over NeoSerela now, except not really because it took me all day just writing this post alone. Just both of you know, I could go either way here depending on your future actions.

[Schezo]

Yeah Zak... No idea who's being quoted in your above post, and I don't think I really should have to go back and dig for it just to read your information.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hi Hourai, so you're suspicious of more being willing to vote for people that I already stated I don't like?
Huh, what?
At this point in time I'm willing to go for a Zakeri/Bardiche/Yonowaaru lynch, and possibly a NeoSerela or maybe a Schezo lynch.
Does that make me scummy?
It's not my fault that so many people are acting anti-town.
Also, what's with the sudden conclusion that I find you scummy?
Have I said that you're on the "looking not-so-town" list yet?

Anyway.
At the library and my break is almost over so I'll read over the recent Zakeri post and other stuff when I get home.
So yeah, proper post later.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

suspicious of more me

Derp.

[Conqueror]

Re: Zak and lurkers: It's more like it's almost impossible to get any info after the fact from a lurker lynch, and because they're lurkers, it's nigh impossible to tell beforehand whether they are lurking scum or lurking town (although I suppose the former is more likely). The thing is, what I've also seen from past games here is that a lot of the time you have low-content newbies who lurk and post uselessly, while scum get a free ride along with town and lynch the poor bastards, so naturally you'd have to scrutinise any voters. The difference between these lurking newbies and lurkers like you and Alice is that people like you two have less of an excuse not to put out quality content. Anyway, my point is that I'd rather go to town lynching the people I think are scum rather than the people whom I can't read at all...the latter become more important as the game continues, in my view. I suppose this decision for you is easier seeing as you state you have have town reads on people.

Whatever, I'd be up for a Yonowaaru lynch; it's not like he's being useful or townie anyways, seeing as he's done basically nothing. Lynch All Lurkers, right?  I'd just rather lynch Neo because I think he's more likely to be scum.

Re: Your hammer, I can't really fault you for it, seeing as you were the lynch alternative, but it would have been nice if you had waited a little for me to post first. >_> Eh, it's not that important now anyway.

[Helepolis]

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Today is Tuesday, as usual I woke up to prepare my self for weekly work. While the SDM does not need money, I still insisted on finding a job, just to be useful for my Lady. Standing in the mirror, I started shaving off my beard. I hate having beards, it does not fit me and neither fits the Scarlet Mansion.

"Ouch... oh man..."

The razor blade had slipped and accidentally cut myself, while thinking too much about yesterday night. It is not a big cut, a small one but it still bleeds quite a lot. Quickly I pressed a piece of tissue against it and waited patiently until the bleeding stopped.

Eventually I finish my shaving and head over to eat breakfast. After I finished my breakfast, I notify miss Izayoi I am going (as my Lady is still sleeping). She won't be awake until evening. So I leave for work. While at the office, I could not focus on my work. Questions keep going through my head. With a piece of paper and a pencil, I start drawing.. drawing lines, drawing circles, drawing question marks. I scribbled some random words and names.

Schezo... NeoSerela.... Dormio... UncertainKitten... PX... Yonowaaru.... Bardiche... Conqueror... Zakeri... Hourai...  after writing those names, I started thinking but my thought process got interrupted by a phone call. I sighed: "Guess I really have to finish my work first before getting back to this."


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[Helepolis]

Shit , while writing that Roleplay post, it got already late. Need to rush out for work ORZ. Damn you Modco for making me do this!

[WHMZakeri]

My third and most important point about Lurker lynches is that right now, it's not a matter of lynching people who don't talk over people who are likely scum, because there's very little in the way of "people who are likely scum." The thresh-hold for acceptable scum cases is low enough to the point where I almost impulsively unvoted the guy I was voting, and switched to the guy he was voting. It goes without saying, I'm trying to pick and find the cases that are scum, but right now Priority two is raising that thresh-hold by eliminating people who can't be read.

Your point that we would have to scrutinize the wagons on lurkers kind of defeats your point that lurker wagons provide no information. The whole point of wagons, and why town lynches are better than no lynchs on any day besides mylo is because you're suppose to scrutinize the voters.

The first quote was from Schezo's 435

The second quote was from Dormio's 407, and details his case on me.

I'll take another look at NeoSerela tomorrow, and if I'm feeling frisky, anyone else.

[Conqueror]

Your point that we would have to scrutinize the wagons on lurkers kind of defeats your point that lurker wagons provide no information. The whole point of wagons, and why town lynches are better than no lynchs on any day besides mylo is because you're suppose to scrutinize the voters.

Eh, alright, fair enough.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Ugh.
It takes way too long to try and make sense of some of the stuff in this game.
Anyway.

Schezo looks a lot better after his most recent posts.
Terrible D1? Better D2? Ehhhhhh...
He's floating somewhere between the border of looking town and not-so-town.

Yonowaaru, it would be really nice if you did that whole existing thing.
I mean, seriously, come on.

Not completely sure on what I think of NeoSerela and Bardiche, I'll need to reread them and post before I go to sleep/tomorrow depending on how long it takes.

Also, Conqueror, I really don't like those that claim that they'll look into things later but never do.
You've done it on both days so far.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Not completely sure on what I think of NeoSerela and Bardiche, I'll need to reread them and post before I go to sleep/tomorrow depending on how long it takes.

Zakeri too.

Anyway, going to try to get this post done.
If I don't post it sometime soon-ish, it'll probably be done once I come back from uni tomorrow.

[Bardiche]

Zakeri makes good sense.

Especially when I agree that most of everyone who's posting, there really isn't a lot of shit to dig! And while I WOULD love to vote someone for reasons that aren't that solid, I think Zakeri's on to something re: lurking.

Anytime Schezo is scum he lurks so fiercely. :[ AND HE'S DOING IT AGAIN. ##Vote: Schezo

We'll see if he does it as scum or sometimes as town, too!

[Bardiche]

Also, Conq going "we're doing lurkers? K, I'll look at those first" rather than trying to sway town into doing what he thinks is better is suspicious at best, scummy at worst. Why would you go along with the flow if you think there's scum to be found in the active posters?

[Serela]

Mokou Hourai:But I don't remember my case on UK yesterday, I barely remember my case on Schezo today >: brb rereading that d1 post

Okay, it was because... umm... she was kind of funky early on and... then she kind of got better by the time I got around to her, and... okay it was a terrible case.

But, well, it was D1, and the case on capt.h wasn't hugely exciting since he's normally so anti-town anyway (Which is part of the reason I wanted to lynch him *cough*) and I didn't think Zakeri was scum at all. But by the time I arrived, it was paramount for my vote to be somewhere where it mattered, which due to the situation was on a wagon, and UK didn't have a single vote on her.

Okay, UK wants a third name from me. I've got Yono and Schezo so far. Well... I haven't noticed anything at all wrong from Dormio or rdjpx. Don't really think either Zak or Bard is scum at this moment in time. UK seems town. Wouldn't vote Helepolis... brb rereading Conq I guess.

nope I'd definitely lean town on conq

well, um, I dunno what to say, UK! Can I be the third scum on my list? I mean I know I'm not but I could make a much better case on myself then on anyone else in the game not named Schezo or Yonowaaru :V

[Bardiche]

Bard is scum at this moment in time.

Please cite sources.

[Serela]

You're trolling me right? :V

I mean, I suppose it's not totally implausible you read it wrong...

[Bardiche]

Just trolling. Sorry, couldn't resist. :V

[UncertainJakutten]

Wellp, HW is replacing Yonowaaru. Good luck.

##Unvote, ##Vote NeoSerela as promised.

Case would be first an evasion of my question for most of the day, a rather hypocritical case on Schezo and possibly Yono as well, and most recently, the complete lack of ability to name a third potential scum. Particularly given his other cases are on more or less easy targets, this doesn't read as town scumhunting. It reads as scum running out of names they can potentially fake a case on. So yes, you can be the third scum on your list! I'll just be right here voting such a wonderful insight~

Willing to switch to HW if he doesn't deliver anything good.

[Helepolis]

I thought you were going to come down hard on Lurkers, Miss UncertainKitten. What's with the sudden Neoserela vote? Because he couldn't give a third name? Also willing to switch back to Huhwhat? I thought keeping the pressure on him was the whole point of your anti-lurk idea? Or is suddenly Huhwhat getting a special exclusion here?

Normally one would switch - out - after a story, no matter how many times the player got replaced.

[Helepolis]

Not to mention you are being extremely biased now while you demanded 3 names, 5 lines earlier ago from Yono Serela and Schezo. None of the 3 actually met these conditions in my eyes if I had to judge them objectively.

Your sudden voteswap is giving me strange question marks now, Miss UncertainKitten.


OT: You need to check your bandwith for your signature :V start using tinypic :V

[Bardiche]

Photobucket is undergoing maintenance, nothing to do with bandwidth. :V

How is hypocrisy exactly scummy, UK? A lurker can still make an excellent case on another lurker, I really wouldn't use that as a weight for scumminess.