I got woken up in a pretty fashioned way by Miss Izayoi.
So I am still being suspected of possible scum huh? Let me then clarify you and explain you are wrong. Because I was accused of providing little or no information/opinion, I will make this pretty extensive. So please hear it out. It may contain redundant information, but I am going to tell them (if required) anyway because it keeps the overview for me as well.
First of all, it is no doubt I am a newbie. Newbies will suffer and have trouble most likely vs the more experienced people here. You know why? Because if a newbie does not talk, he/she will be accused quickly of certain things: "You do not talk, very suspicious!" putting pressure and then hoping he slips or blows his cover. On the other hand, if a Newbie talks too much people might start making false assumptions again. "He talks so much, his words give me scum vibes" are like few examples. Basically, a newbie is always an easy target to put pressure on. And it is obvious a few people are trying that tactic on me.
"You are not being helpful" "You are not contributing" "You do not vote enough with opinions"
That is very cute and lovely, but in none of those posts, I have seen any solid arguments justifying it. Yes, arguments are hard to create as they are all subjective. There is no such thing as 'facts' in this game. Subjective opinions are based on mere posting behaviour and words you read on your screen. There is no body language, there is no eye contact. Nothing. So why don't you all stop throwing around those cute terminology around and start talking serious business.
Well then... as promised here is my view.
The first moment the town started talking we started joke voting on each other. Logically, nobody has any idea of who is what, when and why. The joke voting went on for actually quite some time without much serious discussions or opinions being shared (I was guilty for not enough effort as well, so that is nothing new). After I switched my joke vote from rdj to Serp, I started monitoring the votes and posts.
There are 14 people. We don't know the exact number of the scums among us, but we do know Modco has confirmed it was a
informed minority vs uninformed majority. Jumping to the last voting count above my post, we can see 14 votes already cast. So it is obvious scums can vote as well. This is perhaps nothing new or (duh) moment. I am just making this a complete picture, so once more apologies for redundant information or obvious ones. However, the scums
know most likely who their fellow scums are. Based on this, there is a possibility they might have slip in their voting pattern. While voting patterns are extremely difficult to discover, it doesn't mean it is impossible. It can be quickly covered by a lie or other forms of deceiving
Jumping back to the first start, I started listing all vote counts and started analysing them. I will start highlighting some things I think it is worth of noting:
From 59 hours remaining, Serp voted for Uncertain Kitten. Up to this hour, his vote did not change. However, at 52 hours remaining, Zakeri joined the voting. They both have been sticking to UncertainKitten for all this time. Post
#37 of Zakeri is the only vote post he had. Later on, he did not clarify anything why he had voted. In post
#89 he claims he has voted for UK because she is active lurking. No strong arguments were given. His defence included his last game behaviour, which isn't helping. Post
#137 we see Zakeri once more putting extra emphasis on UK. Seems like he is trying to draw more votes on her, but again no strong arguments. Finally, post
#158 , Zakeri dashes in an explanation in detail on his voting. Now just because Zakeri was a lurking scum last game, doesn't mean anything. You could be a scum right this moment as well and use that story to put people on false track.
UK on the other hand has voted for Zakeri since 41 hours and less with her reply in
#146 And we can see some clashing going on here with what seems to me more hate than grounded reasons.
Looking at Serp, he casted his vote for UK at reply 35 with the reason "UK trying too hard to fulfil RVS meta". In reply #118, Serp explains why he casted his vote and why he is sticking with it. The reason is pretty straight forward and makes sense in my opinion. A vote on somebody's head would make it possible to sit back and watch what the "victim" is going to do. Furthermore, Serp has not posting anything else. He is calm, straight forward and seems to have a plan to uncover certain information.
I seem to be noticing some triangle going on here with Serp Zakeri and UK
Continuing...
Let us look at the people like Caedo, Bardiche, Yonowaaru and Conqueror first. Yonowaaru had posted #39 sticking to his vote with what seems a random vote. Post #47 confirms he is random voting and sticking with the group. My question is,
what group?. He was the first to vote on Caedo and has not given any information about it. Even rdj is questioning his vote in reply #75. At reply 165, Conqueror also does the same and calls out on Yono to make a serious post and vote. So far, nothing yet.
Which brings me to conqueror. In reply #165, he was hoping people to bandwagon with his self vote so he could leave day 1. Interesting comment there. I need to think about this some more after this post. In #167, Conqueror finally comes out with an elaborative post on various events. And points out, I haven't performed as they would expect from a newbie. Again, see my opening lines in this post.
Caedo finally made several posts through out the day. But somehow I cannot connect any of them. I don't see any red-line going through. Cadeo random voted on me first, then changed his vote to Hanged Hourai, eventually after some sticking it got switched to Bardiche. Looking at the reasoning: it was a most likely punishment vote on Bardiche for fake command using.
But where is Yonowaaru? Nothing...
Brings me over to Bardiche: Reply #106 , 108 , 109 and 113 he kind of becomes extremely defensive and is explaining more than actually what was asked before. Especially in #113, he claims
"Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies." and
"Or I'm a town investigative role who doesn't want scum to know he can do public investigations. Don't consider everything only from "scum needs to hide things!" perspectives. Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies.".
AFAIK, Nobody asked for just clarification. Why is he explaining he might be trying to manipulate certain people or playing a certain game?
About capt h., he did a few vote hopping in the beginning. Targeting random people but after 44 hours, sticks to Bardiche after Caedo had voted for him. Particularly also jumps over at me in reply #116, speaking for Hanged Hourai for no reason. In #128, capt.h seems to be pushing, trying to put pressure on me for giving an opinion on everybody. A summary as proposed. But through out the entire thread, Capt.h hasn't been contributing any thing either. Stirring up people, jumping into posts and speaking for others. It seems his tempered posting style caused the last voting count to include Shezo and Rdj and Shadoweh voting against capt h.
Now what particular is interesting here for me is Shadoweh's (post #163) confirms wanting capt.h out and intends to start a band wagon.The question is will people do that? Three votes on one person has been the highest vote count. Especially time is now ticking out, people will perhaps become desperate. An interesting event. If I look at Shezo, in reply #87 he says there is nothing to talk about. #135 he seems to have carefully analysed all the talking and comes out with an some what similar (imo) judgement on capt.h. Finally rdj clearly in post #138 states his vote and has somewhat similar opinion on capt. h as well. Now this is interesting.
Finally, Hanged Hourai has so far been outputting tempered posts as well. Sounds more like panic in my eyes than rather informative posts, which most people did better than Hanged hourai. Post #112, he makes a summary of his own findings but the funny thing is. None of them are connected to what made him vote on me. He jumps the gun, places and vote and then outputs 3 lines of loose "arguments". But then, continues the summary with opinions on other people though there isn't any thing else. However, in #140, he places a direct question to Shadoweh, which Shadoweh bluntly smacks away with her reply.
Oh yea, Neoserela, bandwagoned Zakeri and then disappeared for more than 24h, What happens then?
Did I handled everybody? I think I did. Now checking the final voting count with at that time, 39 hours remaining:
Votes against: Zakeri, Rdj, Serp, Dormio, UK, Bardiche, Hele and capt.h all got votes against them. (8 people being suspected)
Not targetted: Shadoweh, Yono, Conqueror, Schezo, Hanged Hourai and NeoSerela. (6 people)
##Unvote##Vote capt. hMany of you will consider this bandwagoning. Let me tell you: You are wrong. Even if Shadoweh has outputted to get rid of you, that isn't my reason. The minority is informed. The scums know who their buddies are. Right now most likely they are trying hard to prevent obvious groupings.
However, we can see some groupings going on. Particular the people who I set my eyes on are: Bardiche, Capt. h and Shezo. However, Capt. h's behaviour, posting aggression makes me wonder: "Why". If you are a townie, you wouldn't be cause this kind of a mess to everybody. Sticking your nose in other people's business as well as spouting random words. You and few others kept on performing pressure to do something. Hoping they would slip up? ** smirks **
However, I have my eyes on Bardiche and Shezo as well. Especially Bardiche, who has just like you, started suddenly post fast and extremely defensive. Especially outputting posts which nobody asked for. So far, I am sticking with Capt. h. The following hours will most likely bring us more knowledge. I am still little puzzled about Yonowaaru.
A general note to people among us.
Just because I am a newbie here, does not mean I will go quickly and make desperate posts. The pressure people put on me didn't change my behaviour. As promised I came up with an extensive personal analysis It took some time, but I simply needed the mental time to think it out. Being a newbie perhaps makes it look like I have no experience, but that is no reason for forcing me to hurry up.
Now, it is time for a cup of Earl Grey.
