Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)

[Bardiche]

Only reason you won is because I didn't want to NK you! You know damn well I was on to you, the scum QT proves it!

[WHMZakeri]

You were suppose to be "on to me." You were the last scum.

[Bardiche]

Yes, well, whatever. I coulda been a jerk and NKed you and skirt on by on role shens. :V

OK, back to srs bsns face.

[Kitten4u]

Voting
NeoSerela(1): Shadoweh
Zakeri(1): NeoSerela
rdj(2): Schezo, Bardiche
Serp(2): Hanged Hourai, Helepolis
Hanged Hourai(1): Dormio
Dormio(2): Yonowaaru, rdj
UncertainKitten(2): Serp, Zakeri
Yonowaaru(1): capt H
Conqueror(1): Conqueror

Not voting
UK

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~47 hours remain

[capt. h]

@Yonowaruu

@Serp

@Hourai

What are your top scum picks?

It may be too early to use a lurkscum argument, but it's never too early to collect arguments from players we haven't seen much. I'm particularly interested in the opinions of you three at the moment.

[Janitor Morgan]

And I meant:
Bandwagoning, in a good or bad way? Is it scummy or not?
Shadoweh, is her action scummy to you, townie, neutral, just affronting, what?
What about capt h? Is his wishy-washy vote hopping scummy?

OK Bro so is UK scummy or not? Are her actions townlike? Why recap her thoughts when anyone could've likely read them and used their own interpretation?
Zakeri lynch started because he was the only one to post before me and thus easily the most scummy player up to that point. What about this flawed reasoning fell into "OMGUS" territory so hard? Oh, because I pre-empted my vote with "OMGUS". I think the self-diagnostics there woulda set off the "It's a joek" alarms.
Is my teaming with UK scummy or not? Is my using an action scummy or not?

:/ We need to hear who's scummy, not what we've been doing.

Did I not say that I didn't find anything inherently scummy about any of those?

Serela's bandwagoning: Null tell because there was no actual discussion before his vote, just more votes.
Shadoweh's action: Possibly pro-town tell due to getting people to think about what they're doing. Could have been worded in a slightly less aggressive manner.
capt. h's vote hopping: I can't determine whether it's scummy or not because he isn't pushing for anything. He started to question Shadoweh about the "kiss of death" in this post, but dropped it to change his vote. He needs to make up his mind.
UK: Seems pro-town, but I am not sure. I'd be a bit uncomfortable if someone decided to randomly align themselves with me out of the blue, too. As for her response to Shadoweh, I can understand wanting to defend the newbies from being unfairly picked on, but there was good advice to be had in her (Shadoweh's) speech.
Your pushing for a Zakeri lynch: The OMGUS post was only the start of it, nothing more. However, you continued to tunnel on him, even after switching your vote to Conqueror. Though now that your vote is on me, I don't know what to think about the Zakeri train.
Your teaming with UK: Null tell. You could be scum trying to set her up for a future lynch, or you could be town trying to build unity. I don't know which.
Your fake action: Null tell; how can it be scummy if it's fake?

As for posting the recap in the first place, didn't you say not to ignore people? Keeping peoples' actions at the forefront falls under "not ignoring people" to me, and can generate discussion. Despite it being day 1, it is important to take peoples' votes and actions into account. Or are you saying we should ignore that, which goes against your previous claim?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So many words in the past few hours, maybe I shouldn't go to sleep in the future.
Then again, our future is supposedly determined by the stars.
I don't like that.

Anyway.
Bardiche: Are you planning on still following UK since the srsbznz has started?

rdj: Yes, but you've been providing no opinions to go with your recaps?
Do you think you can cruise on by solely with recaps?
Even in the post just now, you say pretty much nothing.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

OT:
Huh, the wordfilter is still there.
This is going to be interesting.

[capt. h]

Your fake action: Null tell; how can it be scummy if it's fake?

Incidentally, Bard, I'd like to request that you submit no more fake actions.

We don't actually know if your action was real or fake, just that you did it. Thus, if you do it again, then it's probably real. If it's fake, then you shouldn't be tempted to make another fake action again.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, rdj, are you saying that lying about one's abilities and openly admitting to doing so is a null tell?

[Bardiche]

Your pushing for a Zakeri lynch: The OMGUS post was only the start of it, nothing more. However, you continued to tunnel on him, even after switching your vote to Conqueror. Though now that your vote is on me, I don't know what to think about the Zakeri train.

So how do you feel about me bro. The Zakeri train you're unsure of, okay, I dig that, bro. Brofist on that. But you haven't explained why you needed to raise people's actions with everyone.

And trying to paint a black and white picture that "if I cannot report people's actions, you must want x and so" does not do you favours. People can pay attention by themselves, we don't need you to point out what's going on and slinking to the sidelines with "it's all a nulltell!".


Cut by capt h:

##Lick: Capt H

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hey Bardiche, I thought you claimed to have put your serious mode on, are you still going to mess around with (possibly) fake actions?

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche

[Bardiche]

What's scummy about the fake actions again?

[capt. h]

@Bardiche

You take refuge in audacity. You seem to be playing like we're in jokevote phase. You submitted an action that looked pretty real to me. And if nothing else, you annoy me.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche

[capt. h]

What's scummy about the fake actions again?

We don't actually know whether or not your first action was fake.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

What's scummy about the fake actions again?

Nobody else can be entirely sure if they're fake or not.
And it can lead to some wonderful misdirection.
Creating confusion amongst town is scummy, no?

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

[Bardiche]

And if nothing else, you annoy me.

Unfortunately, we're lynching scum, not people who annoy you.

Nobody else can be entirely sure if they're fake or not.
And it can lead to some wonderful misdirection.
Creating confusion amongst town is scummy, no?

Warning - choo choo i'm a train

Alright, how do they make sense as being scum-motivated steps?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh, I don't know, perhaps you could slip in some obscure ability in the middle of it.
Are you really trying to defend lying blatantly to town as some sort of positive action?

[Bardiche]

OK, hold on for a moment here.

You're saying my action will trigger an effect that is:

A) Something no one on town will realise AT ALL.
B) Something that will negatively effect town.
C) Something SO powerful it is worth throwing myself out there.

Have you considered that it's possible I was really just... having fun? Or that if you read closer, you'd have understood already?

[Bardiche]

To iterate, if something suddenly happens, you will know it originated from me, therefore it is senseless to hide. Therefore if it is something negatively affecting town, you should lynch me.

If it were an action you wouldn't realise what'd happen, that'd mean you'd demand me to make it:

A) Public
B) ... rolefish ensues.

No, really, your scenario makes no sense at all. There's no way I can sneak in a hidden ability because if it were something the result of which would be as public knowledge as the command submission, then you'd realise it was me anyway. If its result is For My Eyes Only, why should I make it plainly obvious I'm using it? There's no reason I should.

Are you sure you are scumhunting, and not being paranoid over role shenanigans here?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You're saying my action will trigger an effect that is:

I'm saying it could trigger an effect that is:

Yes, however since you have claimed to be serious and continued to do this action, I'm going to assume that your fake actions are also serious.

Warning - Make the rational choice.
It makes sense if it gives you information about a player, but you need to perform the action in public to get the results. (Looking mostly at the unmask thing here)
I probably am paranoid about role shenanigans right now, but paranoia is good!

[capt. h]

To iterate, if something suddenly happens, you will know it originated from me, therefore it is senseless to hide. Therefore if it is something negatively affecting town, you should lynch me.

If it were an action you wouldn't realise what'd happen, that'd mean you'd demand me to make it:

A) Public
B) ... rolefish ensues.

No, really, your scenario makes no sense at all. There's no way I can sneak in a hidden ability because if it were something the result of which would be as public knowledge as the command submission, then you'd realise it was me anyway. If its result is For My Eyes Only, why should I make it plainly obvious I'm using it? There's no reason I should.

Are you sure you are scumhunting, and not being paranoid over role shenanigans here?

Look Bard, we don't know what scum can or can't do. So you probably shouldn't submit any more actions into the thread.

If I had to guess, a command called "unmask" would give you full role information on whoever you used it on. Which falls under the reveal not being public knowledge.

Anyway, don't submit any more fake commands. It's anti-town, and we're past the joke vote phase. If there's nothing else behind the command than a joke, you shouldn't be tempted to submit any more. If there is something more to your commands, then I'm sure we can lynch you for it.

Ninja'd: What Dormio said.

[Hanged Hourai]

Hi guys, back from skool.

##Unvote: Serp
##Vote: Helepolis

Hi there active lurker! All that I've seen you do so far is "Lurkers could be scum" and "Scum and town may have abilities."
No actual contributions have been given, while maintaining the air of someone that is helping. What I mean by this is that you give little tips that really don't have any merit behind them.
I also do not like how quick you were to believe Bard's power and report on what it will "likely" do.

As for other people,

Cappy H.- is all over the place, similar to last game. But I do like how he requests to stop the fake actions. Wanting people to tell the truth and not confuse town is good in my eyes.

rdj- "Null tell, can't determine, possibly pro-town, seems pro-town but I'm uncomfortable, nothing jumps out as inherently scummy." Dang, I never knew someone could sit on so many fences at one time.

And when something wasn't even directed at you, you replied to it with, "UK already said" and "I agree." Why?

Dormio- The difference between you and Cappy H. on the recent action debate is that you are trying to push how Bard has been misdirecting all of town and hiding his real action in it. I don't see how that is actually happening.

Have I finally gone back to my good playstyle? Squeeeee~

@Hanged Hourai - I like your avatar. Where is it from?

I found my avatar on Danbooru. Pics of Hourai actually being hanged are a little scarce.

[Bardiche]

I guess the big reason I think it's just silly role shens paranoia and "durr you annoy me" from capt h is that I posted ##UNMASK in the same post that I said I am being facetious, and before I declared I'd be serious.

Then capt h is all serious about "DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THIS", and see, as a rebel, being told to sit still makes me want to run around even more, and it should've been plainly obvious I was just defying capt h.

That you now assert that, clearly, I am trying to mask (d'oh hoh hoh) that I might have a role that requires public activation and am trying to mask the activation command by making a joke when the RVS wasn't fully ended yet, and by rebelling against someone who complains about said joke... that you now assert that that is completely scummy strikes me as a desperate attempt to get anything going based solely on paranoia that "gasp, there might be roles out there".

Cut by capt h.

Or I'm a town investigative role who doesn't want scum to know he can do public investigations. Don't consider everything only from "scum needs to hide things!" perspectives. Sometimes townies need to hide things from other townies.

Moreover, your vote on me claims I am "playing like in jokevote stage", which is a silly accusation given I already stated my very serious vote on the scummiest player around, and have submitted my charges against him.

Your present "srs bsns" acts have thus far been to accuse me of things that did not happen, to vote me for not playing in a way you want me to play, and on WIFOM speculation. You ask others for opinions, but provide none yourself. Your talk with Helepolis over game strategies is for post-game, not in-game.

Contrasting these two against eachother, will you continue to assert I am playing as though we were in jokevote phase by not scumhunting and just joking around?

[Helepolis]

Oh and you have a better idea than Hanged Mokou? So you have it all figured out?

Let us hear from you some "useful" contribution. Or are you just going to sum up and backtrack on actions like everybody else does here?

[Helepolis]

than = then  (damned typos)

[capt. h]

Oh and you have a better idea than Hanged Mokou? So you have it all figured out?

Let us hear from you some "useful" contribution. Or are you just going to sum up and backtrack on actions like everybody else does here?

Hanged Hourai's contribution just now was actually more useful than all your other contributions so far.

So who you think is scum and why?

[Hanged Hourai]

Wait, what?
I voted you because you've been scummy, it's not the end of the world.

And where did you pull the "useful" from? I never said that. Supposedly twisting my words?

And you still are active lurking and lurking. I place my vote, and you almost immediately pop up to attack me. I still see no scum hunting going on.

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Do not ever answer questions for me like that. I can handle myself, mother.

[Serp]

I see lots of newbie derp, and people placing votes down to punish that newbie derp.  And those people voting for newbie derp themselves seem to be guilty of newbie derp.  Hard to see anything that's legitimately scummy among all that, and I have strong suspicions that scum intend to use this meaningless activity to cruise along under the radar.  Not to say that being engaged in this newbie derp is a towntell, of course.

Currently fine with keeping my vote on Kitten.  To answer her question about whether my vote on her is serious, seriousness is a continuum, and while my vote isn't much more than an RVS vote right now, it gets more serious every time she makes a serious point against someone without actually putting a vote down.  Or, to put it another way, her last posts seemed to be active lurking and waiting for someone else's case to pick up momentum, and that could easily be scum-motivated.

Bardiche is also interesting.  Dayrole shenanigans are a nulltell and it feels more like he's just trolling, but his vote on rdj is strange.  He says he's voting rdj for not explaining why all the information he's giving is relevant to finding scum, but then proceeds to vote him for that without explaining why that action is relevant to rdj's scumminess.  Might be that he considers it self-evident, might be that it's the best case he saw a few hours out of RVS, but it still blips my scumdar.

Also, Conqueror selfvote is really really bad.  Don't do that, even in RVS.  Come back and place a real vote.

[Helepolis]

@ capt. h

Backtracking and summarizing actions is useful contribution? Amazing thought-pattern there.

Who do I think is a scum? Have you ever seen a judge performing judgement before he/she has heard/seen out everybody? Obviously few people are being silent or very quiet. I have been pretty open and clear about this. My primary motive is to make the silent talk. Just because it doesn't give direct visible "contribution" to this situation, does not mean it is "useless".


@ Hanged Hourai,     OT > (why did you change your nick btw... thought that was not allowed in this game)

IT >

Immediately pop up and attack you? An active lurker? For someone who has been present here before you? Oh my, those are some touchy words there Hanged Hourai. Maybe you should first learn how to use the term: Lurking before you speak?

You seem to be missing my point or misunderstanding. I wouldn't be surprised with that temper. I merely requested clarification on your groundless assumptions.