Author Topic: Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win (Read 103583 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #330 on:** March 05, 2011, 09:24:17 PM »

Quick post for now until I have time for a longer one later. I haven't had time for an extensive re-read but here are some initial thoughts Re: Bard vs Zak.

Zak looks slightly better at first glance (mainly because he is on the attack and Bard is on the defensive) but it's hard to tell because both Bard and Zak have posted long walls of text poking at points in the air, especially Bard's #308, which I can't make much sense out of - if you're going to do a line-by-line argument, it would be nice if you quoted the lines you're responding to. That particular post is just a rambling mess.

Anyway, the arguments on both sides are filled with fluff. I'm looking at half the points you guys bring up on each other and they're full of insinuations, tautology, and non-opinions. I had specific examples earlier but I forgot them upon reread; I will probably bring them up again later. I would appreciate it if you two would cut the posts down to size to actual content instead of :wikipedia:.

Here's my attempt to summarize the points you two are vomiting at each other. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Zak: Bard is being dodgy and manipulative with words.
Bard: Zak is wrong.

Bard has always been manipulative with words

but his most recent posts have been fairly unimpressive (to me, at least). At least Zak is more coherent. I will bring up my own points against Bard and Zak later.

@Edible: Repeating my question:

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Justify why you are giving Hourai, Shadoweh, and Bardiche a pass, seeing as I haven't seen you give any substantial opinions on them. Or link me to the post where you did. This statement reeks of passivity, and I don't like it.

Quote from: WhiteMageChocobo on March 05, 2011, 03:55:26 AM

Conqueror, please when you make a post like that, just delete the comments on everyone who you end up typing "I'll look over later."

Oh, that's just so I don't forget to look at them later on. :3

Quote from: WhiteMageChocobo on March 05, 2011, 03:55:26 AM

(Well, three, but I'll get to Conqueror tomorrow if it's still relevant)

Well, there's no reason for you not to bring up your case on me today. Could you elaborate on your point in #271?

Cut by Pesco's vote: What.

Edible · « **Reply #331 on:** March 05, 2011, 09:46:01 PM »

Quote from: Inaba Tewi on March 05, 2011, 08:53:36 PM

Edible: Bottom of the post.

Thanks. My biggest problems D1 with Schezo are his early vote on Shadoweh and his late vote on PX. The timing of his PX vote is what bothers me the most; it's arguably the vote that cemented the lynch.

@Conq: My bad.

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Justify why you are giving Hourai, Shadoweh, and Bardiche a pass, seeing as I haven't seen you give any substantial opinions on them. Or link me to the post where you did. This statement reeks of passivity, and I don't like it.

I'm giving Hourai a pass because I buy his claim for now. As I stated here, his doc results claim match up with what pesco experienced the same night.

I'm giving Shadoweh and Bardiche a pass because neither have given me much reason to consider them as scum. Shadoweh's been giving me townie vibes since D1 and little has changed. The biggest sticking point from Zak's case on Bardiche is that Bard didn't exactly use his night talk ability to much effectiveness, which is a pretty weak point overall.

I'll be switching my vote to Doll because he's been absurdly useless all day and can't even bother to state his opinions. Preferred secondary lynch is schezo or pesco. I'm not sold on pesco yet, but I don't think he absolutely needs to be lynched today. He's been more helpful today than he was yesterday. Doll has gone from little content to no content whatsoever.

##unvote: Pesco
##vote: Doll

Shadoweh · « **Reply #332 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:15:57 PM »

what in the name of town are you all doing? there is less then two hours left and none of the wagons are even close to being hammered. i do not know if people have forgotten but this lynch is not going to pass without seven votes.

Doll.S CUBE · « **Reply #333 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:30:53 PM »

Ah, you don't need all seven votes to lynch someone by the end of the day unless the mod says so. Someone just need the highest vote by the end of the day to get lynced.

Also, as a parting word to you all, May town be victories and let's not have a fifth scum win in a roll....

Also I suck...need to get better...

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #334 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:36:24 PM »

Oh dear lord. Pesco escapes again.... By posting one fact. Since day one. On a day one vote that's pretty obviously derp town.

Ugh.

Well as Shadoweh has pointed out the clock is rapidly ticking down to doomsday, with no clear lynch in sight. And while the chances of that happening is zero, I'm not going to give scum a better shot at things. I'll vote Dolls right before the anon lynch kicks in if people refuse to abandon the Schezo vote.

Remember, there will be no final votecount, so if we don't have two clear wagons scum can last minute swap and kill a random townie.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #335 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:37:33 PM »

the day is not over for another twenty and five hours my moe maker of muppets so unless those votes appear you will still be alive. we want the day to end in one and a half hours because if we do not the votes we cannot see will be able to change our lynches.

i am asking you to pay attention right now because we need your vote now more then any other day.

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #336 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:38:21 PM »

Note : Given huhwhat's votecount I'll switch at 3:55 PST if people insist on the Schezo lynch.

Schezo · « **Reply #337 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:47:19 PM »

So you'll switch to me? What?

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #338 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:49:46 PM »

No. I'll vote for Dolls. Of course if we lynch Dolls that means you'll still die I'm afraid.

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #339 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:52:06 PM »

EBWOP and of course if people decide to vote of Pesco, the source of most of towns troubles, I'll be very very happy to keep my vote right here.

Edible · « **Reply #340 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:55:14 PM »

Quote from: Creator of Doll.S on March 05, 2011, 10:30:53 PM

Also I suck...need to get better...

No, you need to play the game.

Conqueror · « **Reply #341 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:55:40 PM »

As I stated before, I'm willing to switch to Doll S. or Pesco depending on what we all decide.

Conqueror · « **Reply #342 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:57:44 PM »

EBWOP: Clarification. Doll S. is looking to be today's primary lynch. As I previously noted, I would be willing to switch to Doll S. to secure his lynch, or switch to Pesco as secondary. Of course I could also stay on Dormio, as I find him the most scummy, but no one seems to be looking in his direction.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #343 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:58:24 PM »

i need to know if crimson doll helper is here because we will need the waffle buster for the second lynch. right now the easiest solution seems to be to make moe maker of muppets our primary lynch so he needs votes on him and the waffles need to be moved.

Schezo · « **Reply #344 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:07:55 PM »

Quote from: Conqueror on March 05, 2011, 10:57:44 PM

EBWOP: Clarification. Doll S. is looking to be today's primary lynch. As I previously noted, I would be willing to switch to Doll S. to secure his lynch, or switch to Pesco as secondary. Of course I could also stay on Dormio, as I find him the most scummy, but no one seems to be looking in his direction.

Dormio's lynch doesn't seem to be happening today because people aren't showing up and we're going into the last 24 hours. Agh.

So Shadoweh, feel like answering my questions at this point?

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #345 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:09:46 PM »

Doll- Roleclaim.

Well I can see that Dormio isn't going to get lynched today, and I don't like Schezo's conduct D1 along with his explanations of his actions, but I will support a Pesco lynch also.

##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: Schezo

And yes, I will move my waffle from Doll to Schezo.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #346 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:11:36 PM »

answering your questions right now will take too long and we are running out of time. the shorter version is the more you have posted after your claim the less sure i am that i want you to die before rabbit face.

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #347 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:12:28 PM »

Orz, didn't see that Schezo said the same thing about Dormio.

Schezo · « **Reply #348 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:17:44 PM »

You don't like my reasons and leave it at that? You better start explaining which ones you don't like right now please.

Conqueror · « **Reply #349 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:18:50 PM »

Hourai, did you just move Schezo in the vote count ahead of Doll S.?

Also, before I forget,
##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: Doll S.

His Day 2 was even more damning than his contentless Day 1. Also, everything I said before blah blah.

Pesco · « **Reply #350 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:20:57 PM »

Fairy: who else is scum? Because you've presented no other avenues from all this tunneling on me.

Schezo · « **Reply #351 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:29:48 PM »

##Unvote:
##Vote:Pesco
I already explained why I think he's scum in my big post and with everything else people's said, let's go.

Why do we get 1 votecount every 8-12 hours with 3 people capable of doing it? :|

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #352 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:30:03 PM »

Current thoughts. Pesco is scum. His mindhax play day 1 succeeds in confusing town for 2 days straight, and derp plays off of the confusion allow town to form cases on itself, then he can sail away on a wave of mutilation and quick jump to the bigest wagon. As a bonus night actions are a mess.

Worse he's made only one scumhunting post in all this time that wasn't OMGUS, blatant lies or "because Kitten would have wanted it this way." And that one fact was on a very early day one case that Pesco is guilty of screwing up as well.

Bardiche is likely scumbuddy. His excuse that the Day 1 Pesco Edible feud obfuscates Pesco's terribad play while drawing attention to the link. Everyone's powers go there and madness ensues. Bardiche continues to ignore Pesco while sniping a mistakes caused by the mass town confusion. Bard has felt off all game to me, because he's been weak in his probing.

3rd scum is probably lurkscum, because it's effective. I can only pray it's Dolls instead of Dormio or Conqueror, but I lean more towards Dormio with his drop in, cast blame run style.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #353 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:32:23 PM »

I have been counting the votes and now that rabbit face is here our options are any player if he will agree to put a vote on them.

##unvote
##vote doll.s

also since this is hopefully the last few minutes of this day i am going to say now that if night ranter is killed
the day effect is that we will not see the flip from that day until the next morning.

Iced Fairy · « **Reply #354 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:38:36 PM »

That's good info Shadoweh.

Can you state what the effects will be when we lynch Dolls?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #355 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:41:15 PM »

to be clear it will affect the day after night lurker dies not the day or night that night ranter dies.

i have no idea what will happen when moe maker of muppets dies besides that tasty man will stop hitting his forehead.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #356 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:44:12 PM »

The "There Are More Than 48 Hours In This Day" Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, ????????, Iced Fairy, Shadoweh, Doll.S, Schezo
Hanged Hourai (0) - ????????, Shadoweh, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (0) - ????????
Doll.S (4) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, Shadoweh
Shadoweh (0) - Pesco, Schezo
Schezo (3.5) - Bardiche, Shadoweh, Pesco, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Hanged Hourai,
Dormio (0) - Hanged Hourai, Conqueror
Bardiche (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~25 hours left in the day.

Doll is at L-3!
Doll.S and Schezo are currently in the lynch spotlight. You have 15 minutes until wagons with anonyvotes on them become hammerable.

Conqueror · « **Reply #357 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:46:36 PM »

You have Schezo voting twice. Jeez.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #358 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:47:57 PM »

Fixed.

In my defense, the votes in this day have been really confusing. <_<

Conqueror · « **Reply #359 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:50:32 PM »

Oh, and also, I believe this was pointed out before:

Quote from: huh what on March 05, 2011, 11:44:12 PM

Doll.S (4) - Schezo, Dormio, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Edible, Conqueror, Shadoweh
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~25 hours left in the day. [/color]
Doll is at L-2!

I swear the counting disease spread over from the previous game.