Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win

[Edible]

3.5 hours left, by my watch.

[Schezo]

More Edible, Pesco: At this point in time, I'm leaning towards Edible's side of this because if what Pesco said is true and he already glued himself to Edible, the numbers Edible brings out, if it actually works, and assuming Edible is town make sense.  Why he glued his power to Edible so early in the game still doesn't make much sense to me though, and at this point neither to his arguments.

Shadoweh: Drops down a lot in lou of what's going on recently with Pesco Edible Doll Dormio and PX.  Also I can kinda see some town intent in his recent posts.

Doll: Makes me super frustrated at how he unvotes, doesn't leave a suspicion or anything and says he won't be back for deadline.  You need to die if not today tomorrow, I swear.  I can switch to this before deadline if that's what's needed.

PX: Completely throwing the matter out the window that you were pulling bad play on Hourai because he posted elsewhere on the board and didn't immediately come play Mafia, I don't like what you've had to say since you appeared.  Random out of the blue vote on Hourai is a "prod vote" which turns into a bitch fit between you and Hourai, nothing gets done besides his 161 answer that I don't like because Edible was being rather passive with that post and he got a clear for it.  I'm not saying that Edible hasn't improved but PX's response as to why he cleared him at that time is lackluster. Wants Hourai to talk about other people without doing the same, hmm.

Unvote:
##Vote: PX

[Shadoweh]

Schezo: :/ I liked you better when you were voting for me. Are you going to be here for the deadline? Regardless I'm going to ask this quickly. If you think Edible is right about Pesco and his role then why are you voting for someone besides Pesco considering if Edible is right he needs to be lynched today?

[Bardiche]

Here, reading the thread and recovering a bit from my day.

Initial thought re: Edible. That only holds ground if we assume you are Town and, from that assumption, are willing to lynch Pesco immediately. We could also lynch you immediately and it'd also "free" Pesco, but it is no guarantee of alignment regardless.

More thoughts later, lemme read.

[Edible]

Initial thought re: Edible. That only holds ground if we assume you are Town and, from that assumption, are willing to lynch Pesco immediately. We could also lynch you immediately and it'd also "free" Pesco, but it is no guarantee of alignment regardless.

I knew this bit of WIFOM would come up eventually.  Unfortunately, all I can do is ask that people review pesco's record today and judge for themselves.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Suspenseful Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX
Dormio (0) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (0) - Zakeri,  Pesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo
Shadoweh (1) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
Doll.S (1) - Zakeri
Not Voting: Polaris
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~2 hours left in the day.
Polaris is in need of a replacement!
PX is at L-2!

[Kitten4u]

##Unvote
##Vote PX (L-1)

Edible vs Pesco looks town vs town imo.  PX is awful, so my vote goes there.

Don't really have the time or energy to post right now and I don't know if I'll be back before the deadline.

[Bardiche]

Edible's comment on K4U does not look like cheerleading. He's not egging on a wagon since nobody has any votes on K4U. Thus, his case is pretty much non-existent. Is that satisfactory?

That's not the question. You claimed Pesco was twisting Zakeri's words to support his case. I claim that whether Zakeri did or did not point out the cheerleading is irrelevant, as Pesco's case remains exactly the same without the "As Zak pointed out" bit. I was asking how Pesco's case fell apart simply because he "misrepped" Zakeri.

Pesco: You still suck. Doing nothing, and then trying to use Zak's words to push your vote, then avoiding it completely when it was proved Zak's words were not intended that way.

Quoted directly from the post wherein you vote Pesco. You're contorting Pesco's case of "Edible is cheerleading!" into "Edible is cheerleading BUT ONLY IF ZAK SAYS SO!" He wasn't using Zak's words to push his vote, he used his own observation which pretty much everyone else seems to disagree with, myself included.

Whether Pesco's case is rubbish or not was never my question. I was just curious how Pesco's case was reliant on Zakeri's words, and it isn't. Honestly, your vote for Pesco in that post felt, and still feels, like a cheap bandwagon hop. Your further justification with regards to post #70 of which Shadoweh is accused of wanting opinions on jokevotes strikes me as odd.

Reply #70 does indeed show Shadoweh expressing he wanted Conquerer to respond to people jokevoting him over being late to confirm. You do not hope for things you do not want. It's not a point I find particularly interesting to pursue given we already left it behind a while ago and it's just a silly point, but to attack someone pursuing that point for reasons related purely to semantics and wordplay, I raise a frown at you.


As far as Edible's bit goes, I choose to go with the PX lynch. Edible and Pesco are a mess to think about right now.

[Edible]

Oh ffs.

If he's town and pesco and I die tonight I'm going to ban all of you. :toot:

[Schezo]

Schezo: :/ I liked you better when you were voting for me. Are you going to be here for the deadline? Regardless I'm going to ask this quickly. If you think Edible is right about Pesco and his role then why are you voting for someone besides Pesco considering if Edible is right he needs to be lynched today?

Quote me, I said I was leaning towards Edible's side.  I didn't say I for sure bought Edible's case because as Bard pointed out it's a bit WIFOM and I still don't have a for sure opinion as to say I want Pesco dead or not.

[WHMZakeri]

I still don't buy into the case on Pesco. The only bad thing I'd have to say about him (Besides his self-destructive brashness in using his role) is that his case on Ed is just as palpable as the reverse.

Iso reading PX and Hourai, though PX is probably going to be lynched before I can say for certain whether I'm happy with that fact or not.

[Shadoweh]

If he's town and pesco and I die tonight I'm going to ban all of you. :toot:

I tried, can I get off with a probation?

Ugh. PX already mentioned he won't be here for the deadline so I know he's not going to appear and say anything to change people's minds in 40 minutes. Obviously I prefer Pesco to anyone and still would rather see him go today. The only part of PX's activities that bothered me (besides not voting for Pesco) was PX's post #164 saying 'a vote can be moved in two seconds' immediately followed by post #165 saying 'but I won't be here to move it.' I still don't like his wagon in comparison.

Schezo: Your opinion is noted but frankly is hard to hear through a mouthful of waffles.

Not an accusation, but is it normal for there to be this little activity at deadline?

[PX]

Say goodbye to the town half-vote tie breaker. Orz

にょろ～ん

[PX]

You know what? I'm going to throw around something before I die at deadline. Rushing home after school to find out I got lynched D1 sucks.

I don't believe Pesco's roleclaim, and I believe he would be a good lynch candidate. Why would he link up to the person he thinks is scum? If Edible was scum and you two turned into siblings, then you'd effectively become anti-town.

[Schezo]

Shadoweh: Your 83, 121 and 163 say you still don't like Pesco, yet I never really saw you make a case on him.  Could you rehash it please.

[WHMZakeri]

Not usually, but it is day one after all.

I don't like the PX lynch either. I see almost nothing bad or wrong with his voting, even in the switch to Hourai. The whole "More hate for Pesco, Unvote Pesco" is a useless distinction, since he ended up switching the vote to someone else that he mentioned wanting to lynch. the case would make a lot more sense if he left his vote hanging, or even if he never made mention of hating Hourai before, but everything is in accordance here. I'm not even counting what Shadoweh just cut me with as a point against him, since he said before that his vote on Hourai became a serious vote to lynch after Hourai's OMGUS.

Hourai seems worse in comparison. The OMGUS vote seems somewhat drastic, and over played. It looks more like Hourai was taking the dissonance out of place just for the sake of dropping his vote and flinging it back onto PX. It's kind of sad to me how this case seemed to have built up based on this post.

##Unvote: Doll.S
##Vote: Hanged Hourai

I still think Doll in the scummiest, but based on the three surviving wagons, this is most likely scum to me.

[Shadoweh]

Schezo: This is the ultra-quick 20 minutes left explanation. Pesco has posted all of one post with content in it in three days, post #119. This was about in the middle of our three days I think. His posts afterwards are nothing but talking with Edible about his role. As far as I'm concerned he ranks slightly below Doll for content today.

[WHMZakeri]

I don't believe Pesco's roleclaim, and I believe he would be a good lynch candidate. Why would he link up to the person he thinks is scum? If Edible was scum and you two turned into siblings, then you'd effectively become anti-town.

It would be more Anti-town to link himself to someone he thought was town, because then scum could just NK one of them to off them both.

Also, keep in mind this is the same guy that lost the easiest game of Assassin just because he didn't wait until the numbers began to thin themselves out. Blowing his wad like this is just one of the many unfortunate things about him.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Post-D1 Votecount
Pesco (3) - Edible, Dormio, PX, Shadoweh
Kitten4u (0) - Dormio, Conquerer
Hanged Hourai (2.5) - Doll.S, Kellogg's? Eggo? Waffles, Kitten4u, PX, Zakeri
Dormio (0) - Schezo, PX, Pesco, Conqueror
Conqueror (0) - Hanged Hourai, PX, Bardiche
Edible (0) - Zakeri,  Pesco
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
PX (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo, Kitten4u
Shadoweh (1) - Schezo, Bardiche, Hanged Hourai, Doll.S
Doll.S (0) - Zakeri
Not Voting: Polaris

So. You people want to string up this PX fellow, hm? I honestly can't say he seems to be guilty of any rule-breaking, beyond blatantly changing his name to something entirely unrelated before the start of the game and confusing me. Though, now that you mention it, that was pretty rude. To the gallows with him!

...

...

Unfortunately, he was indeed town-aligned. It appears changing your name isn't indicative of your alignment. Who would have known?

PX, playing Rule 11, Townie Waffle Buster, has been deadline lynched!

But wait, there's more!

Or... is there? Although PX's death caused a notable shift in the rules, triggering the Inheritance day effect, I have no idea what that particular day effect does. Oh well!


..:::Night1:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

• Currently none! (It's night, silly.)

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

• Inheritance - Effect unknown

You have somewhere from 24 to 48 hours to send in your night actions. Similiarly, Polaris has somewhere from 96 to 120 hours to be replaced before I strike down his player slot with a bolt of electricity from the heavens (or something equally brutal). Please do not speak at night unless your role says otherwise.

[Bardiche]

So PX turned out to be town. Huh what.

Hello, everyone, resident insomniac here. I figure I should finally say my piece on the Edible/Pesco conflict as it becomes relevant right now.

The reason I think it is a mess is because of the incredible WIFOM attached to the move to lynch either of them; the night phase would "dictate" the loss of the both of them, but that's not strictly true. After all, have we any protective roles who believe Edible's claim of town, or who similarly want to avoid the potential death of two town, it's an obvious choice who you'd want to guard.

An investigator would likely investigate, and such we get a nexus of actions on them. In that light, is it truly optimal for scum to attack either of them? It'd depend on whether or not they'd like to risk one of town's power roles guarding Pesco/Edible combi, because only one guarding either of them should guard both of them if Pesco's role description is accurate.

Naturally, the flipside here is the eternal question on whether or not Pesco/Edible are scum/scum, town/scum or scum/town. Or worst, town/town, in which case we have a bit of a handicap. There is no valid way to determine their alignment from D1 alone, as both have tunneled nearly exclusively on eachother.

I'll re-read to gather my thoughts for the oncoming day, and if the oncoming Day hasn't broken yet after I finish re-reading, I'll update my opinions.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Well then. I hope you were all able to get an adequate amount of rest, even with a raving lunatic shouting about everyone's actions overnight. I certainly wasn't.

Although, even though the night phase has ended, it seems the darkness attributed to it has failed to clear up as well. I would think the cause of this is rather evident, considering that the rule covering the time of phase changes has been punctured by a strikethrough tag.


Kitten4u, playing Rule 5, Townie Shade, has been killed overnight! Her death triggered the Wave of Darkness day effect.


Well, that's a shame, and a lot of citizens must agree, considering that I am currently hearing the sounds of a riot. It appears something or someone has managed to rile up the town, because they are now requesting for the blood of not one, but two of their fellow men! Rather odd a second day effect should pop up without another death, though. Perhaps it was caused by a role?


..:::Day 2:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

• Inheritance - Effect unknown
  
• Wave of Darkness - Players may choose to vote/unvote anonymously by PMing me their votes, although they are not forced to. A wagon with anonymous votes on it cannot be hammered until 24 hours or less remain in the day. An end-of-day votecount will not be posted.
  
• Townie Riot - At the end of the day, the player with the second highest amount of votes will be lynched as well as the main target. If another player shares this amount of votes, then the one who reached the amount first will be chosen for the lynch.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

• Currently none!

As usual, you all have 72 hours to decide on a lynch. Likewise, Polaris has an equal amount of time to wait for a replacement before his player slot is modkilled.

[Edible]

Quick post to say that I hope every single one of you on the PX wagon feels shame and disgust  for even considering your vote, and I hope you all hang.  A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

##vote pesco, because there ain't no gettin' offa this train that we on.  Also to comply with the following:

I demand that every single player place a vote in their first post of the day.  Anyone who does not have their vote on the table AT ALL TIMES should be instantly considered as scum.

I'll be back later.  The townie riot ability is a boon if managed carefully.

[Edible]

EBWOP:

@Mod - 1, can we have the night cycle be closer to the 24-hour mark instead of the 48-hour mark? ;_;

And - 2, you say we won't get an end-of-day votecount, but will we still get regular votecounts?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

EBWOP:

@Mod - 1, can we have the night cycle be closer to the 24-hour mark instead of the 48-hour mark? ;_;

And - 2, you say we won't get an end-of-day votecount, but will we still get regular votecounts?

1. In most normal cases, I probably would have chosen to end it soon after getting it all night actions even past the 24 hour mark, but having a player up for replacement made me extend it for time (though I still don't seem to be having much luck on that <_<). The phases will hopefully be quicker in the future, provided the players are equally fast when it comes to sending in their PMs.

2. Yes you will.

[PX]

Bah post.

To everyone who was on my wagon. I hate you all, and I hope you all die and nobody wins. That is all.

[Shadoweh]

rabbit face needs to post to explain night one.
waffle buster got lynched because he defended me. i am filled with muted townie rage.
##vote hanged hourai for taking fight and running until waffle buster got lynched. i am only voting because tasty man asked for a vote.
someone is a damn comedian and thought messing with my posting style would be funny. i will still be wordy from moring until night and you will like seeing me type.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

A Votecount Shrouded In Darkness
Pesco (1) - Edible
Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????
Polaris (0) - ????????
Not Voting: ????????
With 11 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are currently ~71 hours left in the day.
Polaris is in need of a replacement (but may be replaced by Iced Fairy soon).

PS: I forgot to cover this while originally writing the day effect's description, so take note that anonymous votes should be sent to NeoSerela and Quercus Thatguy as well as myself.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Iced Fairy has now officially replaced Polaris.

[Edible]

##vote hanged hourai

Hanged Hourai (1) - ????????

uh

[Shadoweh]

i tested anonymous voting. i changed my vote to the cardboard cut out player and that is me back on red doll boy.
town needs to keep four or less votes on lead lynch on the last day to stop the red colored enemy from anonymously ending the day. but if we do that the red colored enemy can change the secondary lynch.
i think the only way we can stop the red colored enemy from anonymously changing our first and second lynch will be hammering before the last twenty and four hours. this combination of rules is horrible.

##unvote
##vote hanged hourai