Author Topic: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - GAME OVER, SCUM WIN.  (Read 45059 times)

Pesco

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #270 on: February 18, 2011, 10:28:00 AM »
Vote yourself. You're scum by your own measuring stick.

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #271 on: February 18, 2011, 10:30:01 AM »
Indeed, but too bad I'm a self-confirmed town.

Pesco

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #272 on: February 18, 2011, 10:37:43 AM »
Btw, what part of Zak's claim makes him clear all of a sudden?

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #273 on: February 18, 2011, 10:50:50 AM »
Nothing at all.

Regardless, this is quite simple really, there's hardly any reason for you to bus Zak at this stage of the game, so chance of you and Zak both being scum is minimal. If you flip town, PX can off Zak and keep us in the game... but then if Zak is the 3rd party, it's GG... and his whole "there is no 3rd party, two scums left for sure" post seems suspect...

Hmmmmmm. *rubs chin*

#UNVOTE

#VOTE: Schezo

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #274 on: February 18, 2011, 11:07:49 AM »
No wait, hold on, forgot huhwhat is in the game so it's not LYLO, town is fine even if we lynch the 3rd party... right? I still would like to know what Chaore meant by "Pseudo-LYLO".

##UNVOTE

##VOTE: Pesco

Last post's vote was a null vote anyways seeing how I missed one "#".

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #275 on: February 18, 2011, 11:10:06 AM »
##UNVOTE

##VOTE: Pesco


herp bold derp.

Schezo

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #276 on: February 18, 2011, 01:34:09 PM »
I need to reread this game and I have something to take care of today so I'll be back in ~10-12 hours.

Pesco

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #277 on: February 18, 2011, 01:42:09 PM »
reV you are no better than mudkips except for sensible grammar.

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #278 on: February 18, 2011, 01:46:02 PM »
That is one hell of an insult, you spoony rabbit.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #279 on: February 18, 2011, 01:49:06 PM »
I'm half-asleep, but I can't sleep.  If I don't get this out now I probably won't get it out for several more hours, and that just doesn't work for me.  Sorry if I'm incoherent.

Quote from: Zakeri
You have posted almost nothing on anyone besides Kips.
This is just not true.  D1 I gave an ordered list on who I thought was scum (and you even said that you liked some of my points on Conqueror, so I'm not sure how you can say that I have said nothing about other people).  D2 I gave opinions on PX and, to a lesser extent, Rev.  If Kips had been dead by then I would have gone after PX.  I thought this was quite clear by what I said.  And I don't think I could be clearer in my first D1 post if I tried.

Quote from: Zakeri
Even then, the mentions you made to other people were worded as "Why are you not voting Kips" as your main reason for suspicion.
No.  Where are you even getting this?  I think the only time I said someone was suspicious for unvoting Kips and no other reason was Hourai and that's because it felt like a wagon hop.  Everyone else had non-Kips reasons attached to them.  If you're talking about my cheerleading comments...um I thought they were cheerleading the wagon?  Isn't that what saying "I want X dead, but I'm going to vote this other person instead" IS?

As for why I was asking people why they weren't voting Kips, I felt like I had found scum.  Like, I was really, really sure he was scum and I was getting frustrated that people weren't voting him because of ???.  I had laid my case out there and people didn't think it was good enough, so I asked them why they thought he was town/not worth voting so I could try to convince them that they were wrong.

Quote from: Zak
The only mention of other players that had nothing to do with Kips is a single point of defense against the case of reV, and a single point of support for the case on reV, in the same post, back to back, in passing. Post 223 for the curious.
Um what?  I make two mentions of Rev in that post.  The first is a response to PX saying that Kips never could have self-hammered because Rev unvoted.  The second is me telling Rev to do stuff.  I don't see how either of these things defend him...?

This is one of the weirdest cases I have ever read.

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##Vote reVelske

I would still like to know what changed about Kips between D1 and D2.  D1 you said he was clear, but D2 you voted for him.  I do not understand this.  Explain.

I don't really have anything to add to the case.  He's done so little that I was able to forget that he was even playing.  His content is forgettable when it's not completely devoid of any sense at all.  He hasn't really done anything.
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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Kitten4u

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #280 on: February 18, 2011, 01:54:32 PM »
Oh, I knew I was forgetting something.

PX.  I'm willing to clear him because of his claim.

@Mod: Can you confirm Hourai's alignment for us?

I had assumed that she was just a town cop with some kind of restriction, but I can understand the other interpretation.  I would like to clear this up.  If he was indeed scum then PX is completely cleared in my book.
My favorite mythical creature? The honest politician.
A life cool.. where can I download one of those?
Hurray for apathy!

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reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #281 on: February 18, 2011, 01:56:15 PM »
I've mentioned how I banked on Kips being taken out on N1, either by scums because his continuous PR hints or by vig because he's useless and a distraction. In case it's not clear enough, the second being the main reason everyone wanted him dead.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #282 on: February 18, 2011, 02:48:25 PM »
Confirm that Hourai is 3rd scum
Currently it's 5 town and 2 scum (barring any 3rd parties)
If we lynch town, and I misfire and kill town, scum kills town, then it's 2 town and 2 scum, and scum win.
If I don't fire, we go to 5 man LyLo
If I fire and hit, it's 3 townies 1 scum MyLo
If we lynch scum, I'm clear to fire

So if we lynch town today, I'm holding my shot

Fuuuuck, just wasted the extra half hour of sleep I could have gotten before school reading this, more to come when I get back

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #283 on: February 18, 2011, 03:34:04 PM »
Apologies for being late. I was grounded all of yesterday (probably has something to do with playing a game using my role-wise father's name in vain).

Will post something after school, hopefully. I really hope I won't need a replacement.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #284 on: February 18, 2011, 03:40:56 PM »
PS: Don't have time to fully catch up right now, but my general thoughts are that Zak and PX seriously need to die. I'm still town, by the way, since there seems to be some doubt about that. My role was that I came back as confirmed town after 3 IRL days. Chaore says that this is why the length of the day phases are so screwy, though it didn't matter in the end because of the hammer.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #285 on: February 19, 2011, 05:03:37 AM »
Question: Will there be an extension in light of the recent forum downtime?

Schezo

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #286 on: February 19, 2011, 06:48:51 AM »
PX: I didn't think through that we need to lynch a mafia today and not just scum.  Zak wants to go after mafia and not kill the scummier then crap vig/SK and that seems ok to me.  I still don't like him though and would like to see a PX lynch.

reV: You honestly haven't scratched you head at some of the things that happened in the course of this game?  Kips at that time was blowing my mind and it was difficult to wrap my head around why he would do such things.  As for my "parroting" that's pretty much just meta that you want to employ on me for a reason for suspicion, and it's pretty weak.  I also don't know how I got onto Kips when it was, "fashionable" since I was on him since day one and he was obviously hindering the game.  You yourself haven't posted anything relevant.

Zak: You contorted what Bard said earlier as well as majorly contorted what K4U just explained.  Why would you try to lead the town in circles unless you weren't town?  You did explain the Bard one, after he conveniently died and couldn't retort to what you said.  As reV pointed out what is a bi-polar cop?  Why would you know that, when there are also other theories out there on what it is?  We don't really know unless Chaore confirms it, which may not happen and we'll have to deal with it.  Of course it would also make this point moot if he does.

I won't hammer Zak because we still have lots of time for things to happen.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #287 on: February 19, 2011, 07:45:19 AM »
@Mod: Can you confirm Hourai's alignment for us?

Hanged Hourai was a Town-aligned player. Like it says next to his name. -TOWN- Bi-Polar Cop.

Question: Will there be an extension in light of the recent forum downtime?

Yes. The Day will end 48 hours from this post instead of the 20 or so that would be left from the downtime.

Pesco

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #288 on: February 19, 2011, 09:44:46 AM »
Zak is at L-2

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #289 on: February 19, 2011, 10:53:24 AM »
Apparently we all can't count this game.

Pesco

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #290 on: February 19, 2011, 06:10:18 PM »
Needs more people voting scum.

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #291 on: February 19, 2011, 07:27:23 PM »
I suppose I'm fine with a Zak lynch, but I want to hear what huhwhat has to say about all this nonsense.

And perhaps PX, seeing how we are likely boned anyhow even if he doesn't NK. If Zak flips town, scums just have to take out Huhwhat the confirmed town to bring us down the 2, and assuming 3rd party doesn't count to townie's number (which he really shouldn't), it's game over.

So PX, you HAVE to fucking NK and hopefully not kill the 3rd party/town.

And fuck it, might as well roleclaim. I'm the Paladin, I can feel people up lay on hand on a player during night to prevent him from dying and reveal the attacker, I wasted the ability last night on PX.

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #292 on: February 19, 2011, 07:29:40 PM »
And 3rd party, seeing how you are boned one way or the other, how about roleclaiming for the greater good of it all :V

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #293 on: February 19, 2011, 09:22:51 PM »
Quote from: Zak 268
5. Pesco - built and started several wagons with decent reasoning.

Wrong. Sure, he started the wagon against Conq and me, but for Conq, he had a very half assed reason and justified his vote using the OMGUS and other people's reason. And he used huh what's post against me.
Otherwise, his D1 consists of joking/serious posts, and talked only about Conquerer. Serious lack of scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pesco


Also, new speculation on Hourai's role. Read this. If he is the traitor, then I saved town from being scouted by scum. Who cares if he was Town when he died, he would have become Scum if he was NK'd. Also reading flavor, if I were a serial killer, I would have stabbed him or Chensawed, not shoot. Also, mod doesn't reveal role info. :V

Zak: His response satisfied me

reV: Claimed doctor. Either he is scum or he's doctor. Who did you protect N1?

Nighttime: Okay, I take back what I said. Who I shoot is my secret though :3

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #294 on: February 19, 2011, 09:29:01 PM »
I think Hourai might have been a cop variant that switches from getting sane and insane results every night, with the RNG deciding what his sanity starts on. I've seen something like that before. Whatever, doesn't matter now.

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both targets I can more or less understand from a vig point of view
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Quote from: Pesco
##Vote Zak
I'm going to speculate the NK and you're going to :dealwithit:
Scum don't NK the people who are eager to lynch not-scum.
If that was entirely true, Bard would have died N1 instead of me, considering he wasn't gaining much more suspicion than I was and is a better player overall, not to mention that it seemed less like he was tunneling on Zak back then than it did on N2.

Quote from: Zak
If there's a third party, chances are it would be PX, and I would rather save the serial killer for a later lynch at this point. I'm sure whatever his win condition is, it can only be fulfilled by hitting a mafioso tonight.
Why, so there can be a second kill tonight? <_< You forgot that if we lynch scum today, he'll be able to fire at will and still win.
Leaving PX alive for too long is generally a bad idea because of how easily he could screw us over later in the game if we're not careful. But for now, PX, I fully expect that if you are town, you will not shoot another player tonight regardless of whether we lynch scum or not on the grounds that it could easily ruin our numbers advantage and head us towards a loss. If you fail to do so, you need to be lynched as soon as town can lynch non-scum without losing the game.

I don't think I need to say much more about him than that, though, I already covered the basic reasons for why I dislike PX on D1, and everything bad about him since then has already been covered.

Anyway, Zak looks pretty horrible with the flips of both Conqueror and kips. This entire post looks rather like he's trying to flip the wagons around to ensure kips as a D2 lynch, considering that he's pushing Conqueror to 3 votes while attempting to take steam away from the kips wagon. kips' very existance pretty much benefited scum because of how iffy kips' play was, while Conqueror was intelligent enough that there was a chance he could have stepped his game up and escaped the lynch spotlight. Additionally, if kips' lynch was pushed to later in the game when everyone was fed up with him, it would be harder to analyze kips' wagon after he flipped town, making it easy for Zak's buddy to push for a townie lynch without gathering any hate. As a result of this, Zak's jump on Conqueror + defense of kips looks like an attempt to build a foundation for scum on the later days, or at least it does to me. (Not to mention that kips didn't actually have that much convinction, making Zak's defense of him look pretty forced.) Everything else has already been mentioned by Bard, I believe.

Other people, while I'm here -
Pesco: Been getting townie vibes from him all game, actually, but I don't necessarily agree with his Zak vote. I would like him to elaborate on his NK analysis more, since his one sentence of it seems to be his main backing for voting Zak and yet it looks rushed and doesn't make very much sense.
reVelske: His play has been pretty dumb but it reads to me more like mislead town. Claim is pretty... eh, considering that we already have a defensive role (me!), already have a cop (Hourai), and also the part where that role is ridiculously fucking overpowered. All of this could easily be attributed to having a bastard mod, though. By the way, reV, who did you target N1? You never actually mentioned this, are you hiding something?

Schezo and K4U I don't know about, as they have been pretty forgettable this game (which is bad). Will need to re-read them soon.

I'll refrain from voting for now, as I don't really want to worry about speedhammers after what happened D1. I do intend to vote Zak some time before the day ends, though.

Ninja'd by PX, by the way. Did he just confess to being third party? <____<

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #295 on: February 19, 2011, 09:29:45 PM »
Wow, I suck at formatting.

Being confirmed town makes me put less effort into my posts, I think. If anybody wants me to re-elaborate on something, point it out and I'll do so.

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #296 on: February 19, 2011, 09:48:01 PM »
reV: Claimed doctor. Either he is scum or he's doctor.

Why would I possibly bother to claim doctor if I was a scum at this point in time? I'd just have to stay low like Schezo or Kitten and wait for a Zakari lynch, or if Zak is my scum buddy, I could've claimed something else to incriminate Pesco further, no? Claiming doctor doesn't help Zak's case, no?

And how am I a mislead town? :V

reVelske

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #297 on: February 19, 2011, 09:53:12 PM »
I would have stabbed him or Chensawed

Honk honk.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #298 on: February 19, 2011, 09:53:37 PM »
I guess mislead is the wrong word. :s More like confused. Your waffle between Pesco and Schezo gave me that impression, anyway.

honk.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #299 on: February 19, 2011, 09:54:43 PM »
Also, again, who did you target on N1 and why did you target PX on N2?

I can pretty much guess who you targeted N1, but I want your confirmation as to make your claim more believable.