Author Topic: JK9 Mafia - Game over like a dog with 2 legs  (Read 27675 times)

Bardiche

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2010, 03:47:51 PM »
Not much to say (or time to say it), but can find myself in the assessment that what I did is not "extremely Townie"; nor is it extremely scummy (to me), but I can follow trains of thought that lead into that.

The reason I raise this point stubbornly is that while PX and NeoSerela vote me for an allegedly "bad move", they never provided why the move, in particular, was most scummy and why it was worth keeping their vote on me for. Or rather, Serela's; PX just said it was bad but only OMGUS voted or something which confounds me but playstyle difference.

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I don't think Neo was advocating RVS, because if he was, he would have just continued joke voting or jump on the Doll wagon. How is voting on someone who pushed a wagon to L-2 advocating RVS?

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tl;dr I don't really see it as all that helpful. You even said you're one to stay out of rvs stupidity, yet you've obviously contributed your own share of it this game, instead of just randomvoting and waiting for it to end.

you've obviously contributed your own share of [rvs stupidity] this game, instead of just randomvoting and waiting for it to end. Telling me I should've just sit still and waited for RVS to end by itself than to try and take active action to do so. This, yes, I hold against NeoSerela as an absurd charge and advocating of passivity in RVS.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2010, 11:17:36 PM »
Okay, I see your charge against Neo now.

Bardiche

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2010, 05:48:44 AM »
The lurk is strong this game.

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2010, 05:52:31 AM »
The lurk is strong this game.

Quoted for emphasis.

PX

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2010, 06:14:17 AM »
Thanksgiving isn't until next week, Halloween passed a long time ago, and I'm sure most people here aren't American. Wtf is with the lurk?  :/

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2010, 07:21:29 AM »
Vote count

PX: reVelske
Neo: Roukan. Bardiche
Roukan: Affinity, PX
FFMaster: Doll

Not voting: FFMaster, NeoSerela

8 alive, 5 votes to lynch.

25 hours remain.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 03:55:42 PM by Inaba Tewi »

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2010, 07:52:04 AM »
Just a reminder that the day ends at 10AM Pesco Time? tomorrow. (currently 9:50AM, you do the conversion), so PLEASE start finalizing a lynch. I see absolutely no reason for me to move my vote off PX at this stage, so jump on this wagon please.

And Bard, you know, you seem like an intellectual individual and experienced Mafia player, YET... you've made no real attempts at scumhunting and spent all your time defending yourself against pointless arguments and counterattacking Neo for his initiate attack from the previous day, surely you are capable of doing much more than just that?

And enjoying the lurking are we, Doll? I've been monitoring the thread the for quite some time yesterday during day time and you seem to be the most active member of the crowd, yet you've STILL made no attempts at anything in particular. Are you really that uncertain? Or are you not particularly interested in the game? You seem like a creative individual, I'd imagine you are perfectly capable of coming up with some colourful theories. Yet, you only respond when someone prods at you, promising us detailed posts in the future but has yet to fulfill that promise, it really starting to feel like you are just riding newbie status easy!

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2010, 08:02:10 AM »
Well, I told myself I'm gonna get a good explanation buuut....I've been kinda putting it off...

Now I just feel guilty...Okay, gonna do it now!

Where's that pen and paper....

FFMaster

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2010, 08:31:34 AM »
Ok, here we go.

I don't see people budging from their wagons at all, and the case against PX isn't exactly the greatest. Affinity has a good point about the ending of RVS, where Neo casted the first proper(non RVS) vote. I just attacked them since there was nothing else to work off at that point in time. Now, however, there is a bit more to go off, even if it just a bit more.

reVelske now jumps out to me as scummy. He has done nothing but pressure others to post and pressure PX claiming he might slip(PX handled the pressuring well imo). Then again, this game has really become a lurkfest, probably due to the lack of info. I have also pressured others to post, but nowhere to the degree he is doing it. He also said that PX's dying message was scummy, which I highly disagree with. I don't see that message as anything other than "Fuck you guys for killing me D1". For D2, he instantly tries to lynch PX, claiming "huh what's death must be avenged", suggesting that he probably sees PX as scum no matter what.

##Vote reVelske

And now, time to wait for Doll's post.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2010, 08:49:23 AM »
Okay, I give up writing a summary of all this so I don't have to read all the posts every time I'm looking for something. Anyway, while doing so, I found I don't have any ounce of reason at all for my suspicions and now I'm feeling very stupid somewhat....

##Unvote

Urrgg, what did I get myself into....

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2010, 08:59:26 AM »
reVelske now jumps out to me as scummy.

In this god forsaken lurker game, I'm sure I jump out, but scummy? Eh what? Let's see...

He has done nothing but pressure others to post and pressure PX claiming he might slip(PX handled the pressuring well imo).

When did I claim PX might slip? Source please.

And got any suggestions on how we can actually make things happen?

but nowhere to the degree he is doing it.

Possibly because I find this half-dead game more frustrating than you? Maybe because I actually aimed to do more than beating a dead rat like everyone else?

He also said that PX's dying message was scummy, which I highly disagree with. I don't see that message as anything other than "Fuck you guys for killing me D1".

As stated, it's just a personal opinion/theory on how people would react to lynch, not something I'd bank on and I was hoping for more opinions on that. So tell me, what EXACTLY would YOU have said if you were getting lynched as a town?

For D2, he instantly tries to lynch PX, claiming "huh what's death must be avenged", suggesting that he probably sees PX as scum no matter what.

Now that's just you misinterpreting. I'm voting PX because nothing's changed from the previous day, as for avenging death, that has nothing to do with PX-lynch TBH, it is the duty of the Epitome of Justice to avenge his fallen comrades. "Continuing what huhwhat started" on the other hand is related to huhwhat's death and PX-lynch.

If anything, all your reasons seem completely counter-logical and you are just going for whoever that actually stands out, if anything, a scum would be perfectly happy to sit back and relax, watch the day tick by to another no-lynch. Now considering if I do die today, you WILL be on LYLO tomorrow, in that case, go ahead, it will serves as a good wakeup call to this half-sleep crowd.

And I've never in my Mafia career been day lynch, I dare you to make it my first.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2010, 09:07:34 AM »
OK I'm in a lousy mood, I've been taking on too much, and Mafia on top of things like NNWM was probably a mistake. Still, as they say in Mastermind, I've started so I'll finish.

Neo is back! And is doing nothing but defend himself.
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Add this to the list of misreps from Bard this game. I was obviously showing initiative with my case on you, regardless of whether it was a good case or not.
Too bad this initiative failed to lead into the rest of the day, when you basically decided to shut up and not contribute.

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...I certainly wouldn't go as far as saying what Bard did was "extremely Townie", regardless of anything else about it. It's easy to do for anyone, and doesn't hinder scum to do it. In fact, since chances are at least one person will poke him for it, it's an easy way to Bard say he ended rvs AND give himself an easy target to go after. Although perhaps not quite scummy in of itself, I honestly do not see how such a thing would be "Extremely Townie".
But it was still a risk he didn't have to take. He could easily have sat around, made a stupid vote, and let RVS continue longer so we'd have even LESS to work with when we did eventually get out. And of COURSE ending RVS hinders scum, because suddenly people are talking SERIOUSLY and they have to give REASONING for their votes.

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What's bad about his reacting to it? Exactly what is bad about reacting to it? If nobody reacted to it, then we'd have still gone nowhere. Is it bad to actually go against somebody if he says that he ends RVS?
You have misinterpreted the point. I was saying that the posts and reactions of RVS are how we generate suspicion. There are good reactions and bad reactions, and in my book 'oh look someone is trying to start serious discussion MUST VOTE HIM' is not a good reaction.

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You seem to forget that sooner of later, someone would have to do what Neo did or we wouldn't be having a conversation. If going against what Bard did was scummy, then WHY IN HELL, MICHIGAN WOULD ANYONE GO AGAINST IT IF IT JUST BRINGS SUSPICION AGAINST THEM?!
The point of Neo being the first person to oppose Bard is not the sole reason my vote is on him. Like I said at Day Start, he basically disappeared and allowed you to incriminate yourself and earn top spot on the lynch. He didn't answer Bard's questions (and indeed he still hasn't given much of an answer to 'why do you think it's bad to start discussion' other than 'I just do!') and offered nothing new but poking holes at Bard. He hasn't even put a vote down anywhere.

@Affinity:
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Which comes out of nowhere.  Anything goes from 'third on the bandwagon is scum' to 'he has more votes than anyone else, let's lynch him', which, to Neo's and PX's credit, are effectively 'stupidly constructed cases'.  In this way, they just 'end' with something stupid.  I have never been in a game where RVS never ends.
IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF NOWHERE. AT SOME POINT SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE A NON SERIOUS VOTE SERIOUSLY IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE OUT OF RVS, AND THE SOONER WE DO IT THE SOONER WE GET TO SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
I have no idea why I need to make this obvious, because from where I'm standing it's common sense.

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Why are you defending Bard and not yourself?  Wasn't I attacking you for jumping on the Neo wagon?  I can't argue with Neo not providing very solid stances from PX onwards (even now), but the fact is that you voted for the RVS thing which Neo countered alrightly in the post I linked.  But you did not refer to that when voting.  Add that to your passive scumhunting (not asking questions, etc.) and that's my case which you should be addressing.
Because scumhunting is better than defense? Prove a better case on someone else and you don't need to waste time and words explaining why a case on you is inferior to your own case? And again THE FACT HE STAYED SILENT INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING TO DISCUSSION AND MOVING US OUT OF THIS BARD/NEO BULLSHIT IS WHAT I HATE SO MUCH.

GAH this game is giving me a headache. It just feels so logical to me that 'starting discussion GOOD, ending discussion BAD', but apparently I'm the only one who sees it that way. T_T

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #132 on: November 17, 2010, 10:05:04 AM »
Okay, I just finished reading everyone's post from day one, and I got to say, we got nothing really solid to work with to find out who's scum in my opinion but then I don't know much on scummy or townie behavior. I think what we need to do is investigate Huhwhats death to find out or do scum just randomly choose people?

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2010, 10:18:15 AM »
huhwhat and Bard were the most pro-town players on Day One IMHO, with Bard drawing more attention and being more active/aggressive than huhwhat, as it has been stated by someone, Bard would be the more ideal player to kill off during night, but by being the player that draws the most attention, he may very well be protected by an angel/doctor (a power role that prevents a specific player from being night lynched), so to avoid a wasted night kill, scums would likely go for the second best option, that being huhwhat.

Or Bard is a scum.

I see nothing else useful that can be deduced from his death (not that what I said is really of any use).

Serela

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2010, 12:37:06 PM »
And this is why day 1 isn't supposed to last 160 hours, now everyone is just starting to yell at eachother and we don't have any solid info to help decide which side of the yelling (or if neither side) is more likely to be scum. At this point, quite honestly, we're degrading into something a bit retarded. I could probably be persuaded to vote for like half of the players at the moment out of almost wifom-y logic (Although 100% honestly if I had to vote for someone I felt was obvtown just to get any lynch today, I would)

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I see absolutely no reason for me to move my vote off PX at this stage, so jump on this wagon please.
Uh. lol. "I don't see anything wrong with my case on this guy so everyone kill him plz"

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As stated, it's just a personal opinion/theory on how people would react to lynch, not something I'd bank on and I was hoping for more opinions on that. So tell me, what EXACTLY would YOU have said if you were getting lynched as a town?
What? Why does it matter what someone says if they're getting lynched? At it's best it's meta-filled wifom, your question seems almost anti-productive to be asked because it's continuing the conversation in a direction absolutely useless to go in.

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And I've never in my Mafia career been day lynch, I dare you to make it my first.
...okay, now you're just getting arrogant. It's kind of annoying.

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Too bad this initiative failed to lead into the rest of the day, when you basically decided to shut up and not contribute.
I'm afraid it wasn't really my choice whether I wanted to post or not at that time, but you can't know whether I'm telling the truth about that or not, so your point stands.

About your paragraph over RVS, Rou, I honestly don't feel that the advantage gained over not actively ending RVS is terribly significant, especially considering that doing what Bard did pretty much ensures that, if you do end up ending RVS, you also have an easy target falling into your lap. How Bard ended RVS requires someone to argue against what he did, which he can then counter.

RVS never lasts all of D1 whether someone intentionally tries to instantly end it or not, because if it starts lasting too long, that in itself becomes a reason for it to stop because people start going "Oh hell naw" and etc. It baffles me that you're arguing what Bard did is indeed incredibly townie. If it was so incredibly townie, that would only make it more likely for scum to do it anyway, as being labelled "incredibly townie" at the cost of having a <12 hour rvs as opposed to a possibly 24~ hour rvs is by far worth it. You're overestimating what town gains with a shorter rvs and underestimating what a scum!Bard would be gaining in exchange.

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Because scumhunting is better than defense?
Yeah, this is true, but that does NOT mean to just completely ignore it when someone makes a case on you. It just means don't spend all your time defending yourself and less time scumhunting. You should still be defending yourself at least a little bit, unless there's not any good way to defend yourself in the first place.

Would like to vote Bard for misrep spam, tunnelling on people who voted him, and because I can easily see why scum would have done what he's done.
Would like to vote Rou over obsessive Bard defense that IMO goes into badlogic territory that even Bard himself has said he doesn't agree with.
Wouldn't mind voting Rev. PX, FFM, and Affinity IMO look fine right now. Doll is ughnew although I do sympathize a little with his 132.

That about sums up how I feel about people at the moment. Will ##Vote:Bardiche, although since the Rou lynch looks much more likely to happen today, I'll probably switch over to voting Rou before I go to sleep today.

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Serela

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #135 on: November 17, 2010, 12:39:23 PM »
>now everyone is just starting to yell at eachother

Okay, this was a bit of an overreaction, but tensions within several people are definitely starting to get high. Will be very happy when we get todays lynch done and can start moving in a more well based direction.
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Pesco

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2010, 01:18:58 PM »
Use the proper voting notation like everyone does you tit

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #137 on: November 17, 2010, 01:21:09 PM »
At this point, quite honestly, we're degrading into something a bit retarded.

Not really. Sure, we don't have much to work on, but if you are wishing for some "solid evidence" to fall from the sky, well, that's not gonna happen. There is hardly ever any "solid evidence" in Mafia games unless roleclaims take place. And all these "yelling" are still far too "tame" for my likings.

Uh. lol. "I don't see anything wrong with my case on this guy so everyone kill him plz"

Works for me.

What? Why does it matter what someone says if they're getting lynched?

If I accuse you of something then proceed to BURN KNUCKLEpunch you in the face, would you go "WHAT? I DIDN'T DO IT!?", start crying, immediately punch back or just stand around silently in confusion and rage? If you know the guy's personality and if he is innocent or not, it's possible to make an reasonably accurate prediction of person's response. Sure, I don't really know PX, but I don't see anything wrong with trying to tackle his response and find some usable information.

*shrugs* It's unfortunate that absolutely no one seem to get my point.

At it's best it's meta-filled wifom, your question seems almost anti-productive to be asked because it's continuing the conversation in a direction absolutely useless to go in.

"Useless"...

*grumbles about how he'd personally see to it that the person who made up the term "wifom" be dismembered, same goes to whoever that started the trend of over-usage and mis-usage of that damned term in Mafia, might as well rename the entire game to WIFOM*


...okay, now you're just getting arrogant. It's kind of annoying.

Whaaat, it's just fact  :V

Wouldn't mind voting Rev.

And reason for that is? :P

Bardiche

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2010, 01:37:36 PM »
Still waiting for that response, NeoSerela.

Bardiche

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2010, 01:53:51 PM »
Leaving that matter aside for a moment, I am growing increasingly frustrated with the accredition of my action as a specific "obvtown" act. I can construe a case that paints myself as scummy based on my actions, which by far should entirely discredit the idea that I am very town for it.

As I like to think people are as intelligent as I am, I want to think most people can see it; as a result, Roukanken is quickly ascending that staircase of scumminess, especially given the chainsaw-esque vibes I start getting from his zealous push on Neo almost onpar with mine.

The people I would most like to lynch, at this moment, are NeoSerela, Roukanken, FFMaster and reVelske. No particular order.

NeoSerela, I have explained. My suspicion of him is lowering somewhat due to his dogged perseverance in going for me. I still obviously frown at the eD1 sentiments, but earlyDay1 and he correctly diagnoses that provoking a reaction is exactly what I had in mind. If he can actually properly explain why I am scummy beside "misrep" (a fairly easy to thing to say if you never clarify what you actually meant) and "tunnel" (I have two targets, you have two targets, joke's on you), I would likely feel lots better.

Roukanken, as mentioned before. I like being guarded, but I'd like to see it done at night, and by doctors. Rather than by daylight, by people I can't be sure of as Town. :( Sorry Rou, I still love you. But this post actually makes him talk condemning of PX but... well, his only comment re: PX before that was "start contributing". The tone reads to me as "I suspected him all along", and makes me wary. I can see a case on him.

FFMaster has, aptly, done nothing much on D1. He declares that he finds Neo scummy, but isn't too sure. I dislike cop outs like that. He presents his jokevote as remaining on PX as due to PX being scummier still, and today he says the push on PX is "not the greatest". Mrf.

I also dislike how he came into the day prodding people and asking about WIFOM speculations (analysing a death is WIFOM speculations), and then rams into reVelske for... prodding people. Right.

ReVelske I want to lynch because being teh first to get him Daylynched would be a cool title to have. :V

Affinity

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2010, 02:12:32 PM »
@Roukanken

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IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF NOWHERE. AT SOME POINT SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE A NON SERIOUS VOTE SERIOUSLY IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE OUT OF RVS, AND THE SOONER WE DO IT THE SOONER WE GET TO SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
I have no idea why I need to make this obvious, because from where I'm standing it's common sense.

That 'non serious vote' comes out of nowhere!  That's what I've been getting at the entire time!

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Because scumhunting is better than defense? Prove a better case on someone else and you don't need to waste time and words explaining why a case on you is inferior to your own case? And again THE FACT HE STAYED SILENT INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING TO DISCUSSION AND MOVING US OUT OF THIS BARD/NEO BULLSHIT IS WHAT I HATE SO MUCH.

You have not 'proven' anything.  And of course you have not really scumhunted in my opinion; other than agreeing with Bard's case and placing him on a throne because of RVS you only pointed out the absence of NeoSerela, which does not hold true with his newest post.  Other than that, you have merely sat by and waited, which is why at least addressing the case on you would have been helpful.

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@reVelske:

I'm me while PX is PX.  His little 'bah post' does not help either town or scum, so I don't believe in taking that as a valid reason.  I would have personally said nothing, but that has nothing to do with him.  But I assume that's not your main meat for the case against PX.

Just a question, but could you reiterate your case against PX?  From what I could glean they are in this post and his lack of good content.  Do you think that his last post helped him much?

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2010, 02:38:11 PM »
Well, considering how I see this Rouk+Bard vs Neo+PX thing to be completely pointless, no, nothing has changed, especially seeing how he kinda just went and dropped it all with "Okay, I see your charge against Neo now" a few posts later.

And honestly, I don't even remember my thing against him from Day One without looking at my post. All I know is that whatever the heck it was, there has been nothing yet that'd throw it out of the window. Yes, it's tunnel vision, at least I know when to put my foot down and push for a lynch when it's needed.

And you'd be surprised how much faith I place behind the whole "Wail of the Impending Death" (woo i like that name) theory, call me crazy, call me shallow sighted, (don't call me WIFOM though) I care not. At least I don't think backwards like some people. (eg. Neo, FFM)

Besides, he SHOULD have died, it's only fitting for us to help him meet the fate he was destined for.

I think we should all state the final time we will be available to read/post before the Day End, how many hours before day end would work, just to give people a sense of urgency and for us all to know exactly when and where we should be putting our foot down. Unless, of course, you will be available all the way up till day end.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2010, 02:48:25 PM »
Okay, with that last post, I'm ready to get rid of re:Velske

He's not taking good stances, he's just ignoring all the other cases, sticking to a wagon on me, not really defending himself, prodding everyone, and he already sees me as scum. He's doing nothing but trying to get me lynched at all cost. Hell, he doesn't even remember why he has a wagon on me, he's just trying to push it.

##Unvote

(Yes, I voted Rou earlier, but you didn't see it)

##Vote: reVelske

And yes, I'll be here for a couple of hours leading to the end of the day in case something happens.

reVelske

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2010, 02:51:18 PM »
What's there to defend?

And what's so scummy about trying everything I can to get a specific player lynched? Especially it's one that hardly even contributes and spent the entire Day Two pretty much saying and doing nothing.

Affinity

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #144 on: November 17, 2010, 03:46:43 PM »
Okay then.

Well, the three I would want to lynch Roukanken, PX and FFMaster today, in that order.  If it was between Serela and a No Lynch, I would also go with Serela.

Roukanken, I have already stated many times that he has not been very original with his case and has shown very little critical thinking and questioning regarding Serela's posts and such.  Bardiche, in comparison, has taken a wide view in his recent posts and actually responded to what PX and Serela said.  This active lurking to me is far scummier than any of the other two's newbie mistakes. 

PX is also bad for his rather absurd jumps between votes (what happened to Roukanken?) and having very little reasoning to back it up; his last vote on reVelske is plainly an OMGUS and smells like a bandwagon hop, especially after Serela professed his willingness to vote too.  I was alright with him before that reVelske jump due to an original (yet flawed view) of the Roukanken case but apparently he doesn't put much importance into votes, so...  Also has that 'everyone is out to get me' mentality, which is not a good attitude for the mafia player.

FFMaster is quite bad too for not really saying out his views on the main wagons and having only one original contribution, the reVelske case (which does not hold up).  But making that reVelske case takes guts, which seems slightly town since scum could just easily jump on one of the two bandwagons then (e.g Roukanken and Serela).  He really needs to back it up though.

I'm not willing to lynch Serela proactively due to me feeling good about him with relation to his opinions/defense post and its continuity with the posts of the previous day.  But that post has its problems, as Bard pointed out, and some tacked on bits (like the reVelske part).  His stances also seem to materialize from his defenses without much of a connection.  If it comes down to it, however, I will hammer...

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #145 on: November 17, 2010, 03:57:45 PM »
Vote count

PX: reVelske
Neo: Roukan. Bardiche
Roukan: Affinity
reVelske: FFMaster. PX

Not voting: NeoSerela, Doll

8 alive, 5 votes to lynch.

Just over 16 hours remain.

Neo's vote didn't count because he's a derp.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #146 on: November 17, 2010, 04:54:39 PM »
Ah! Well, I'm gonna hopefully take a nap for three hours now, then probably vote sometime after I wake up but don't be surprised if I don't vote since I'm not sure I'll wake up in three hours...

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #147 on: November 17, 2010, 04:58:34 PM »
I don't see a problem unless you are capable of sleeping for 15 hours.

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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #148 on: November 17, 2010, 10:09:05 PM »
Oh~ you be surprised, but apparently not today . *yawn*

Anyway, I'm not quite sure of who to vote for but I think I'll go with Roukanke. I feel, how do you say it, he's trying a too hard in his defense of Bardiche? Anyway, that kinda get my suspicion up, so...

##Vote: Roukanke


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Re: JK9 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #149 on: November 17, 2010, 10:13:27 PM »
Vote count

PX: reVelske
Neo: Roukan. Bardiche
Roukan: Affinity, Doll
reVelske: FFMaster. PX

Not voting: NeoSerela

8 alive, 5 votes to lynch.

10 hours remain.