Author Topic: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win  (Read 38572 times)

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #360 on: October 22, 2010, 03:56:54 AM »
I still have it, and i havent used the item identifer as of yet. nothing happened to me last night

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #361 on: October 22, 2010, 05:19:05 AM »
This is very tricky... As Drake said, the vigbat and doublevote could not possibly be used to kill town, and if there were two scum, it would have been a LyLO yesterday... 

Regarding the Mode/Valentia thing, it might be possible for her to know Purvis' Role if she used her copafeel on Purvis instead of wrathie as she claimed on N2.  If she NK'ed wrathie it would be a rather safe thing to do to keep that information on Purvis for something useful like now (if she were tracked on N2, she would have been implicated anyway).  Thus I am not so sure that Mode is definitely lying yet.  Personally, I drift more toward Violentia.

One theory I think is that there could be a third party survivor in our midst with a one-shot nightvig (rolled into one role) of some sort.  Assuming that we do lynch and bring the numbers down to 5, a one-shot nightvig could, coupled with a successful scum NK, bring us down to 3 people with only one townie left (if my theory of there being one survivor and one scum) being correct, resulting in town unable to win the game.  It depends on the rules; but given such role madness, I would be surprised if there wasn't a third party somewhere within our midst.  This really seems like the only way all this could happen.  But everyone's so role-confirmed that it seems rather unlikely for any of this to happen.  Purvis would be the most likely one given that his role was not shown, but Violentia confirmed his one-shot lynchstopper and had no business to if it was not true...  Argh, gives me a headache.

Sasword

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #362 on: October 22, 2010, 09:43:13 AM »
Alright. Decided I should make this post before bed instead of waiting until tomorrow morning/afternoon, but I also don't want to spend multiple hours writing this up. asdfasdfaf too late, ah well.


1. The item I received after the mystery bomb were Magical Drawing Utensils. They came with a picture of Donut already drawn, which gave me the ability to ##Pastry someone last night. That supports Slaves claim back in #270 about his item and having drawn Donut N2. To clarify what the item does, it copies a player's role ability.

2. My night actions for N3 were to ##Pastry Donut and ##Draw Purvis. I received one nibble last night which means SOMEONE targeted Donut and isn't fessing up.

3. My result of the ##Draw was exactly as Purvis said, the 'Governor' role that can stop a lynch from happening. This supports both Val and Purvis's statements.


Why did I ##Pastry Donut despite the death proof? I had the sinking feeling that as a result of my actions from D3 that I would be the primary lynch target. I also had the feeling that Donut might ##Pastry me instead of Purvis, so I chose to protect him in turn in case Donut got roleblocked last night.


So why do you suspect Purvis anyway?

First i'll start with how I arrived at Purvis to begin with. Six people left, and I was assuming five townies and one scum at the time. I was sure Donut was town, and was feeling pretty good about Val being apathetic/new-Town mainly due to having the bat N1 and not using it. I was thinking that Eve was a self-kill or something not related to the vigbat  related to her blue alignment. And as Purv said in an earlier post, Eve would have been a stupid target anyway and they probably would have killed Kilga sooner than D2 if they had the chance.

I also thought Mode was probably not lying about her and Slabes being Masons (made perfect sense given their characters and all), but admittedly I thought the whole unconfirmed bit was a miscommunication and they were likely Town partners. Admittedly, I thought the whole unconfirmed bit about their roles could have just been a miscommunication of some kind or inconsistency in the mod pms. I had the magical drawing utensils at the time with a drawing of Donut, so that confirmed Slabes as telling the truth for me as well.


So, that left you, Purvis. And looking over the game history over N3 I couldn't find anything that cleared you as Town. Yes, you've participated a lot and have made some well-thought out posts, but that alone doesn't clear you in my eyes. You were holding back your role, and I noted that not once this entire game did anyone give you a good lookover. Donut seemed to decide you were definitely Town on D1, and the question of your alignment was never brought up again.

What did I find that raised red flags out of you? The biggest was your actions on D1. Post #65 and post #69, you pressure Mode and chastise Pesco for not reading the mod's post saying multiple newbies, and say that 'this is not the sign of a person who reads'. Your next post in #91 comes after serious bandwagons have formed on Pesco and Kilga. Look at post 65. Now at post 91. Now back to me. Purvis says that he's jumping onto Pesco's wagon "for all the reason I stated prior,", as if you suspected him all along. However, the ONLY comment you made about him prior was that he was not someone who reads, and that he needed to step up his game. I find this a scummy exaggeration.

D2, you express a general discontent towards the idea of TranceScum in both #116 and ]#173, with the latter post standing out as being especially wishywashy. And on D3 after I dropped the bombshell, you hung back until it was pretty clear that Trance dug his own grave. Val's premature hammer was annoying, but I realized it was only possible because both my and your vote were on Trance. Your reasoning for eventually slapping your vote down in #277 doesn't make sense to me. "Wanted to get my vote on Trance in the event that someone is being a sneaky scum and LYING about not having the bat, because I expect Drake and myself to be the top two scum vig candidates." How would either of us getting vigged had made a difference in the outcome, anyway?


So... yeah, that's my piece. I'm still very suspicious of Purvis (and also the idea of his role seems to be inherently Anti-Town as far as I can see). However, I still don't know what to make of the current situation, especially the Psuedo-Mylo suggesting less than five townies and what the actions from N3 and claims from today are suggesting. Let me compile what we have so far into an easy to read list.

- Val knows Purv's rolename, which makes it likely she's telling the truth about her target last night.
- Mode's claim that she roleblocked Val is sketchy given this knowledge.
- I ##Pastried Donut and got one nibble. Someone targeted Donut last night.

If Mode is telling the truth and roleblocked Val, then Val is lying about having done her action last night, which would imply scum. But there's evidence suggesting she did indeed rolecop Purvis. If Mode is lying and instead tried to roleblock Donut and NK me or someone else, then it's odd that there is only one nibble between the two of us. Unless of course a roleblock + kill by the same person would only result in a single nibble, which is a possibility.


And before it's brought up, yes I checked if ##Pastry would stop roleblocks, and I got a confirmation that it would.

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #363 on: October 22, 2010, 11:20:37 AM »
Alright, that sort of discounts the possibility of a third-party vig or something like that.

The thing about the Purvis case is that if he was scum, I would see no reason for him to out  or even target me at all today; it dramatically reduces the chance of him surviving; with all the role flying about and people getting role-confirmed left and right.  His actions throughout the game seem to be town, after being the prime mover of several coherent cases, and thus I'm not really buying into lynching him today.

I believe we must either lynch Mode or Valentia today, since there is definitely scum (or at least a third party) between the two given that one of them is lying.  Whatever is happening, I think lynching scum would definitely win the game for us, I suppose, since there is probably only one left.

Again, Valentia claims that she rolecopped Purvis last night and that Mode is lying but in fact, this isn't really airtight.  Given that Violentia stole the role of Trance the first night she could have copped Purvis on N1.  There is nothing saying that she could not cop anyone on N1, and given that when pressed by Mode, she could have simply picked the name of a person she copped on N1 and give the role name... It's quite plausible that this happened.  Furthermore, why would Violentia target wrathie, the most obvious townie in the game at that point, if he were town?  That suspicion wasn't telegraphed anywhere.

Also, Mode would have likely roleblocked either donut or Drake if she were scum, but she roleblocked Violentia, which was perfectly understandable.  And with the pastry having been nibbled on only once, I doubt that she did so (it seems more likely that donut would have two nibbles in that case).  Thus, I would prefer going along with the Valentia case.

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #364 on: October 22, 2010, 12:21:31 PM »
Long TMIpost coming tonight, hopefully.  I'm trying to deduce what circumstances would lead to a disappearing Roleblock AND a disappearing kill in light of knowing that I was targeted by an unclaimed action last night.

One thing that would help me get there - which any of you can answer, hopefully - is knowing whether people can use multiple actions at once overnight.  For instance, would it be possible for Valentia to use Item Identifier and whatever her claimed action was at the same time?  I have a similar question about the scumkill (whether a given scummerson can kill and perform other actions at night) but I think the mod has to answer that.

Sasword

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #365 on: October 22, 2010, 02:25:46 PM »
Long TMIpost coming tonight, hopefully.  I'm trying to deduce what circumstances would lead to a disappearing Roleblock AND a disappearing kill in light of knowing that I was targeted by an unclaimed action last night.

Can I request that it not be done in alternating red/blue text? Your last couple of posts were practically unreadable for me. :<

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One thing that would help me get there - which any of you can answer, hopefully - is knowing whether people can use multiple actions at once overnight.  For instance, would it be possible for Valentia to use Item Identifier and whatever her claimed action was at the same time?  I have a similar question about the scumkill (whether a given scummerson can kill and perform other actions at night) but I think the mod has to answer that.

I think... yeah, every night i've used more than one action. :derp: N1 and N2 I ##powerswitched and ##disabled, and N3 I used ##draw and ##pastry. Of course, it's still possible that as a stipulation of scum's NK action that they can't use anything else, but i'm inclined to think that isn't restricted.

The thing about the Purvis case is that if he was scum, I would see no reason for him to out  or even target me at all today; it dramatically reduces the chance of him surviving; with all the role flying about and people getting role-confirmed left and right.  His actions throughout the game seem to be town, after being the prime mover of several coherent cases, and thus I'm not really buying into lynching him today.

The first part of this is WIFOM (Because I don't see what it is about targeting you that makes it so unlikely he would have survived.) Also, he hasn't been the 'prime mover' of any cases on scum, and he's shown some wishywashy behavior (esp. in the post I pointed out D2). Again, i'm just not seeing the logic where a smart or active player cannot possibly be scum.

I do agree that the contradiction between Mode and Val's claims is pretty damning for one of them.Hopefully I hit upon some insight when I get out of work or something.

Kiva-la

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #366 on: October 22, 2010, 03:02:58 PM »
What did I find that raised red flags out of you? The biggest was your actions on D1. Post #65 and post #69, you pressure Mode and chastise Pesco for not reading the mod's post saying multiple newbies, and say that 'this is not the sign of a person who reads'. Your next post in #91 comes after serious bandwagons have formed on Pesco and Kilga. Look at post 65. Now at post 91. Now back to me. Purvis says that he's jumping onto Pesco's wagon "for all the reason I stated prior,", as if you suspected him all along. However, the ONLY comment you made about him prior was that he was not someone who reads, and that he needed to step up his game. I find this a scummy exaggeration.

I provided several reasons in #65 as to why Pesco needed to "step his game up". I pointed out (via flavor) that he was not reading the topic, he unvoted without revoting, and that he let up a pressure vote without actually getting a response from the person it was on. Then, in #91, I tacked on the additional reason of providing a crap defense to Kilga's accusation, which was the real turning point for me moving my vote to him (note how my vote had not been on Pesco before, even though I did say in #91 that I probably should have been there to begin with). Given all these I am wondering why you're trying to paint my Pesco vote so terribly when several more reasons for it than the ones you listed are readily available.

D2, you express a general discontent towards the idea of TranceScum in both #116 and [rl=http://]#173, with the latter post standing out as being especially wishywashy. And on D3 after I dropped the bombshell, you hung back until it was pretty clear that Trance dug his own grave. Val's premature hammer was annoying, but I realized it was only possible because both my and your vote were on Trance. Your reasoning for eventually slapping your vote down in #277 doesn't make sense to me. "Wanted to get my vote on Trance in the event that someone is being a sneaky scum and LYING about not having the bat, because I expect Drake and myself to be the top two scum vig candidates." How would either of us getting vigged had made a difference in the outcome, anyway?

Best I can say to being wrong on Trance is "oops". I didn't think he was more likely to be scum than Slaves at that point. As for getting vigged making a difference, I apparently misremembered that Kilga's vote had been removed after his death - I thought it had stuck there for the rest of the day for some reason. That does make my gesture a useless one, since I wanted my vote stuck to Trance in the even I got batted. Chalk this up to misremembering or possibly plain misreading, which, yeah, I also have no real defense for.

I'm still very suspicious of Purvis (and also the idea of his role seems to be inherently Anti-Town as far as I can see).

While it has appeared on the scum side in the past, in my experience, Governor is traditionally a town role, so I don't see how this can be held against me in anything more than a null tell capacity. And while we're on the subject of roles, precedent has been set for unconfirmed masons - they've been used before, at this site and others (sometimes called Neighbors, sometimes actually called Masons). You can't just throw it out due to assuming people didn't read their PMs properly.

I will grant the Trance thing and the misremembering thing, but the way you're trying to paint both my Pesco vote and my role comes off as you really trying to push whatever you can think of instead of what's actually scummy.

The first part of this is WIFOM (Because I don't see what it is about targeting you that makes it so unlikely he would have survived.)

It effectively eliminates Slaves from the scum pool, which both narrows down everyone else's options and kills the major case I would have had coming into today. Neither of these would be good for scum me.

Serela

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #367 on: October 22, 2010, 08:06:54 PM »
Totally a Votecount!

Easy Modo (1): Violentia
Slabes (1): Kuruminut
Violentia (1): Easy Modo

Not Voting: GODrake, Slabes, HoboverlordPurvis

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are somewhere around 76 hours left in the day.

One thing that would help me get there - which any of you can answer, hopefully - is knowing whether people can use multiple actions at once overnight.
Confirmed at the start of the game that people may indeed use more then one action per night.

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« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 08:10:06 PM by NeoSerela »
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DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #368 on: October 22, 2010, 09:06:36 PM »
oi vey. well i have a defense vs the me using my cop a feel on night 2 on wrathie and not purvis!

if i did copafeel at purvis instead of wrathie why didnt i roleclaim purvis? who wasnt roleclaimed as of yet. we all knew the role of wrathie after he had died. so there wasnt a point of me revealing my cop a feel results past i used it on wrathie.

"but wait that doesnt prove your not lying!"

Why waste a perfectly good copafeel on a dead man to begin with? if im scum i would know he would have died that night and would have used it on purvis or someone else that night. not wrathie.

the simple tl:dr version i didnt know wrathie was going to die that night! so i used my copafeel on him knowing i would get results! but sadly he ended up dead the next morning

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #369 on: October 22, 2010, 09:49:06 PM »
doublepost!

sorry need to clarify somthing.

Modo didnt use the roleblock gun, hes bluffing.

Drake, Kuri, purvis, and I used a role last night. and slabes did nothing at all without fail.
that only leaves the possiblitiy that he is either A) lying, or B) someone else is lying.

Everyone BUT modo used a role last night, according to modo himself. he roleblocked me, but everyones roles went without a hitch including my own. so nobody was blocked last night.

BUT the someone targeted donut last night, and the ##pastry blocked the gun! so either modo didnt use it or he was blocked.

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #370 on: October 22, 2010, 09:57:30 PM »
Can I request that it not be done in alternating red/blue text? Your last couple of posts were practically unreadable for me. :<
JUST AS PLAwasn't going to.  Deciding what was absolutely true versus what was most likely true was a little tedious, although it stopped me from simply tunneling onto Slaves+Mode.

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I think... yeah, every night i've used more than one action. :derp: N1 and N2 I ##powerswitched and ##disabled, and N3 I used ##draw and ##pastry. Of course, it's still possible that as a stipulation of scum's NK action that they can't use anything else, but i'm inclined to think that isn't restricted.
In light of this, question of the day:  Why hasn't Valentia used her Item Identifier?

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #371 on: October 22, 2010, 10:00:49 PM »
Everyones items are pretty out there at this point, no point in using it

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #372 on: October 22, 2010, 10:18:41 PM »
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Everyones items are pretty out there at this point, no point in using it
People do this thing called "lying". Just saying.

Is there any way I can get the claims and actions in one organized batch?  Like
*N1 I Pastried Purvis, 5 hits, 3 from same person
*N2 I Pastried Purvis, blocked
*N3 I Pastried Drake, no hits

*I started with Death Resistance
*I had that swapped with One-Shot Anonyvote over N1
*I used One-Shot Anonyvote D2
*Mystery Bomb swapped One-Shot Anonyvote with Death Resistance
*I still have Death Resistance

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #373 on: October 22, 2010, 10:27:25 PM »
OKay so, i used the item identifier, get off me back, just now like a minute ago.

ive confirmed that modo does have the disabler gun and ##disable during the night time, to disable role and power items. i didnt know it did both suprisingly  :/

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #374 on: October 22, 2010, 10:32:41 PM »
I think I can conclude that IF Mode blocked Valentia's kill then the only feasible scumteam is Valentia+Purvis.  This is, however, only possible if Purvis and Valentia are lying about the HoboGovernor and Purvis targeted me with his real action.  Standing to counter that, I remember someone revealing that Purvis' action command is "Ask", which doesn't seem like a harmful ability (and does sound Governorish).

Therefore it seems unlikely that Mode blocked a kill made by Valentia.  Therefore Drake blocked the kill.  The question is then where the Roleblock went.  The feasible choices are
*Mode blocked Slaves (Mode is lying, but why Slaves?)
*Mode blocked Valentia (Valentia is lying, BUT Purvis confirmed Valentia's claim!)
*Mode blocked no one (Mode is lying)

So yeah, Mode or Valentia today.  This points to Mode, but Valentia feels so much better as a lynch, especially after helping Trance self-hammer.

Cut by Valentia - Items are day use now? :/
Even so that would have been much better spent on Slaves. That result doesn't really tell us anything because Mode already proved she had the roleblock gun.  -_- 

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #375 on: October 22, 2010, 10:36:56 PM »
the item identifier can only be used during the day, not the night sadly

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #376 on: October 22, 2010, 10:39:48 PM »
The mod just called.  I was only targeted thrice on N1; the "three times by one person" was pointless bastardry.  Although it would be cool if someone could own up to it anyway.

Valentia - please lay all of your claim out as shown above, please and thanky ou

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #377 on: October 22, 2010, 11:06:45 PM »
Well N1 i did nothing but stole a role of drag commando aka rolecop where my bat was gone and exchanged for death resistance
N2 I copped a feel at wrathie, who had died that night.
Mysterybomb! i got the item identifer [and no PM to confrim it *cough mod cough*]
N3 i copped a feel at purvis, because he wasnt roleclaimed

and i stand right here. nothing else happened to me during the night cycles but what is listed up there.

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #378 on: October 22, 2010, 11:39:16 PM »
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Why waste a perfectly good copafeel on a dead man to begin with? if im scum i would know he would have died that night and would have used it on purvis or someone else that night. not wrathie.

Exactly.  And then you would have every reason as mafia to lie about who you copped, so that you have an out to use in case something happens the next night, that's my theory.

But then again, why didn't you use your rolecop ability on N1?  It could have been that you used it on N1 to cop Purvis without telling us.

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@donut:

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This is, however, only possible if Purvis and Valentia are lying about the HoboGovernor and Purvis targeted me with his real action. 

Not really.  As I said, Valentia could have lied about who he copped the previous nights, as well as copped Purvis on N1.

Also, why do you think that there are two scum in spite of there being no LyLO yesterday?

OOO

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #379 on: October 22, 2010, 11:45:24 PM »
Batch List:

Right off the bat I drew Eve, which gave me the ability to send a fake mod message to anyone in the game during the night.
N1 I drew Kilgajesus, but I was blocked (or the drawing did not work).  I'm not sure if this was due to Kilga's role or a roleblock
N2 I drew donut, which gave me the ability to ##Pastry.
D3 Mystery Bomb gave me the Sock Stealer instead
N3 I targeted no one.

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Also, donut, can pastry block rolecop attempts?

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #380 on: October 23, 2010, 12:07:55 AM »
Also, why do you think that there are two scum in spite of there being no LyLO yesterday?
Short answer: Oops.
Long answer:  I forgot. >_>

I don't know if Pastry can block Role Cop.  Presumably it only blocks harmful actions.

If there's only one scum then I'm way overthinking this (and behind discussion).  Mode or Valentia, probably Valentia. Y/N

Kiva-la

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #381 on: October 23, 2010, 12:29:06 AM »
Donut: You mentioned someone saying my action was #Ask before. It was, back when I had the rolecop device. My item action is now ##Stalk. Item action description doesn't go with inherent power anyway, so ##Ask and my lynchstop wouldn't have gone together regardless.

Drake: You said you ##Pastried and ##Drew last night, right? That's it?

Valentia: Why did you target Wrathie, who look for all the world like a townie, on Night 2 with your Rolecopafeel power? Why not target, well, anyone else? Slaves asked this and I never saw an answer, despite your willingness to expand on other things; you even reiterate your explanation for why you targeted me in your night action summary post, but still refrain from explaining why you targeted Wrathie.

Night Action Summary:

- N1: Used rolecop item to ##Ask: Sana. Result was Planeteer with no helpful description.
- N2: Used rolecop item to ##Ask: Donut. Result was Delicious Pastry with an actual description of his role. Post can be found here. Note that I pointed out Donut got his name role wrong, if anyone starts entertaining the idea that I was lying about that item. (Also note that Mode confirmed my ##Ask.)
- D3: Rolecop item switched for Cloak item by Mystery Bomb.
- N3: Used cloak item to ##Stalk: Slaves. Was told "nothing happened".
- I have not used my one-shot lynchstop yet.

Unaccounted night action on Donut: Idle speculation suggests it was the NK attempt, which means no one is going to fess up to it. Donut was certainly a worthy target at that point, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Sasword

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #382 on: October 23, 2010, 01:19:24 AM »
N1: ##Disabled Slaves and #powerswitched Violentia and TranceTheHime
N2: ##Disabled Donut and #powerswitched TranceTheHime and myself
N3: ##Pastried Donut and #Draw Purvis

@Donut

I've already mentioned this once before, but yes, I confirmed with a mod that ##Pastry DOES block a roleblock.


And as for Val over Mode... Actually... I might have to agree with you. I honestly think that Val is lying now, after having just looked at something. Hooray mid-post breakthroughs.

Hey, we're trying to figure out who targeted Donut last night, right? Well, here is #333 and #335.

Anyway to defend myself vs modo.

One biiiiiiiiiiiiig contraindication in your master plan to pin the scum on me

My Drag commando worked last night i ##copafeel on Kuri who roleclaimed as governor which i really didnt feel like re-stating since he said it once already

So if i was Roleblocked last night how did i copafeel ;3

UGHHH i just royally fucked myself with that, i meant purvis @_@ jeez i suck at names

Sucking at names, or revealing her true target? Hence the "royally fucked myself with that" part? :derp: Note this was well before I came out with the information that I ##Pastried Donut and got a nibble.

And before someone says to me 'What if you did this just to frame Val for her slipup!", the hint I dropped earlier on for my N3 action:

Yeah, I apologize about that one. I trust Donut's towniness and i'm fine with going before him first, but it's important that the results of the night actions come out before I bite. The case isn't as slam-dunk as Mode seems to think and there are some glaring problems with the case, since for one the NK for last night could have been protected Donut.

And I haven't claimed yet because its a reeeeeeeeeeeally sketchy situation, Purv. It's important that I don't give scum information about this role. I guarantee that my reasoning for wanting to go after everyone will be made clear once I get the chance to make my case.

(I was actually worried that my phrasing was awkward to the point that someone would notice, but I think I masked it well enough. :V )



This is a big screw up in my eyes, and i'm having a major hard time believing that Val "accidentally" said Kuri instead of Purv. And while at first I thought the whole Governor claim made it likely she was telling the truth about her N3 action, I didn't realize 'Governor' was the common name for the role until now (yay Mafia noob up in here). And looking back, I realize she never knew the role name after all, claiming it to be "Hoboverlord" in #338!


I think that's pretty damning right there, but the one big mystery that still lies unanswered is, what's the deal with Mode's claim? If Val is the last scum and Mode is telling the truth, then assuming everyone else is being truth there should have been no nibble last night. And there HAS to be less than 5 townies given Pseudo-mylo, I just can't think of a way otherwise.





DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #383 on: October 23, 2010, 01:34:50 AM »
Why on earth would i target Kuri, shes walking around with the death stopper in her palms. :/.

that would just mean it would take 2 days to kill donut off instead of 1 which would make more work for the scum anyway, seems like a waste if you ask me!

Kiva-la

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #384 on: October 23, 2010, 01:41:13 AM »
Drake: Hoboverlord is the name of my role, and I confirmed as such in my next post after Valentia's claim. What are you trying to get at there?

The potential Freudian slip is very interested, though, I will grant that. It doesn't help Valentia that her investigations have yet to give the public something they didn't already know (outside of the Hoboverlord thing).

Also, since you have posted your action history but made zero effort to acknowledge my question, I'll ask again, because now I'm really curious. All you did last night were the two actions you've claimed?

Valentia: Stop dodging the question. Why did you target Wrathie Night 2?

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #385 on: October 23, 2010, 01:45:43 AM »
This is keeping me awake.

*There's one Mafioso left (all the following depends on this)
*There is an unaccounted-for action taken on me
*Only scum would not account for actions
*If the lone Mafioso (i.e. Valentia) was Roleblocked last night, there should be no unaccounted-for actions
*Therefore the lone Mafioso was not Roleblocked
*Therefore Valentia has an alibi
*Slaves has an alibi via Purvis
*Drake could have killed AND protected me after bussing his partner yesterday, except that's kind of ludicrous
*Donut could have killed AND protected Drake, except no (deliberately stopping the kill seems unlikely with only one scum left)
*Purvis claimed a clearly disadvantageous-to-scum result on Slaves, but otherwise could have done it
*Mode as scum could have still Roleblocked Valentia and killed someone else, so why no Roleblock? (esp. since Valentia just confirmed that Mode has the Roleblock gun)
**The protect on me via Drake was in all probability completely unexpected.  Seeing no kill, why would Mode choose to lie about blocking someone who could clearly counterclaim in order to explain it away?
***Aside from Valentia being lynchbait in MyLo, which is a very good reason.
****But really where did that Roleblock go? bearing in mind that claiming a blocked kill wasn't part of the original plan
*****It could have landed on Slaves, therefore not doing anything and not being detected by Purvis.
******I can't actually tell if Mode knew ahead of time if Slaves didn't do anything N3.  Purvis said he saw something to that effect but I don't see it.  If Mode didn't know that Slaves was going to claim to have not done anything, claiming truthfully to have blocked Slaves would have been what happened.
*****It could have been not used at all, but WHY?
******To avoid confirming Townies.
*******Is that really a sufficient reason to not block someone when everyone knows you have the roleblock gun?
********Iunno, probably not

Conclusion:  e we

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Cut by Drake saying something completely different.

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I've already mentioned this once before, but yes, I confirmed with a mod that ##Pastry DOES block a roleblock.
I thought  I was talking about a Role Cop.

I agree that if we weren't looking at claims, I would lynch Valentia almost entirely over pushing Trance to be able to selfhammer yesterday.  But the block question is still there, unless Valentia has some kind of Untargetable item.

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that would just mean it would take 2 days to kill donut off instead of 1 which would make more work for the scum anyway, seems like a waste if you ask me!
Sounds like someone didn't read the label on Death Resistant :3

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #386 on: October 23, 2010, 01:49:51 AM »
@ hobo

I wanted to know his role of course, on day 2 nobodys role was known. i simply was curious is all. on day 3 is when the roles started getting out. but sadly wrathie had died. so i had to reason to role reveal him out of the blue and tell everyone of my night action. curosity does get you killed i suppose

Kiva-la

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #387 on: October 23, 2010, 01:53:53 AM »
******I can't actually tell if Mode knew ahead of time if Slaves didn't do anything N3.  Purvis said he saw something to that effect but I don't see it.

???

Valentia: Why did you want to know Wrathie's role above anyone else's?

Ouja

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #388 on: October 23, 2010, 01:58:13 AM »
Wait, I'm still riding the short bus about this.

Now that it has been cleared up that I don't necessarily know how many times someone has targeted my Pastry target, it's entirely possible that both the kill and the block were meant for me.  That would solve BOTH mysteries very cleanly.  (Clarification is being sought here.)

This would also explain why Valentia was "roleblocked".  A Roleblock against me couldn't be claimed because someone was going to step forward and say they saved me, and the block would have looked very bad (especially against someone who was rapidly becoming seen as town and a Doctor-type and was already confirmed as not making a kill previously).  Valentia would be the easiest target for obvious reasons.  Slaves was likely not chosen for the block because he had already claimed to have lost the item his ability relied on, and Slaves didn't claim having a new item/ability.

While I'm going to ask for clarification here that's the only scenario I can see where all of the contradictions are resolved.

Conclusion:  Again, e we

DiEnd

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Re: MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Day 4 ~ Pseudo-MyLo!
« Reply #389 on: October 23, 2010, 02:08:25 AM »
???

Valentia: Why did you want to know Wrathie's role above anyone else's?

I thought that wrathie had the item swap role since i lost my vig bat on N1, so i used the role on N2 to attempt and confrim this but to no avail, wrathie didnt have the bat nor the item swap role!