Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN

[UncertainJakutten]

^What Kefit's analysis says is that he suspects everyone and doesn't even care to order them in any preference, because that would be *gasp* committing to a stance.

Regardless, the analysis of massclaim is decent.

[Affinity]

After a reread, I will say that Kefit is my choice as scum for the following reasons.

D1: Kefit spends D1 going after newbies (huhwhat) here and here.  No issues with the first post, but the second post comes seems to be containing some padding (e.g Bard and UK are town because of catfight; an opinion not followed up at all and thus useless) and questionable additional justification for huhwhat's lynch (safety vote on new target?  Really?).  Also rather passive scumhunting; he just says that "it's not enough" and just keeps his vote there.  Other than that, nothing really of note, and nothing really damning.

D2: This is by far Kefit's worst day.   I echo KilgaNobu's sentiment that going after Polaris the entire day is really really lazy considering that Polaris didn't do anything on D2 (though it might be acceptable for early D2).  Not making another case with greater currency at that point has to be considered scummy to some extent, and worsening this, he just attaches a  very very rough opinion of other  viable cases here without explaining why he specially went for Polaris (he did later, but it's explanation after the fact).  Also attaches a rather weak and irrelevant 'experience' argument to pad his case against Polaris, which didn't need any explaining in the first place.  Defenses against Nobu rather shoddy too.

D3: His analysis post here looks impressive at first sight, but as I raised here some of the opinions seem quite silly and are borderline padding (especially on Nobu).  I also disagree with some of the things he said about Chaore (avoiding bandwagon analysis by being a sole vote on Bardiche?  That could have happened with you on D2).  However, counterbalancing is some original thoughts on players like UK, but sadly this was not followed up on.  Also, while UK may have been extremely antagonistic with her vote on you, that doesn't absolve you from answering it at all. It's your opinion, and it's up to you to defend it (though I don't agree with UK voting you because of that post and her neutral ISO).  Sorry for that mistake about you unvoting too.

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Conclusion is that while Kefit had some original stuff so far, I don't like his fixation on newbies at the expense of views on more experienced players on D1 and D2 and still, his preference for Polaris bugs me (even after the explanations that followed after the fact).  Some of his opinions are also rather fluid and not adequately supported, which is always scummy.  He's not as scummy as I thought, and I'm not ready to vote for now.

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However, regarding Bardiche...

In this post, you slam Chaore for not doing something with his vote since his avenue is not pursued, but Kefit had done the same thing as Chaore to Polaris.  What is the difference between the two?

More on Chaore and UK tomorrow.

[UncertainJakutten]

extremely antagonistic my ass.

But, anyway, what's your opinion on massclaim, Affinity? Or did you provide it earlier?

[Kefit]

Doesn't look like the massclaim issue is going to be resolved soon, so I guess I'll move forward and get some work done with the info I currently have available. I'm not feeling very well today though, so I probably won't get very far.

Affinity, you question my failure to defend myself from UK's attack. My reasoning was simple - I didn't want to succumb to UK's antagonistic baiting and start a distracting bitchfest. However, it seems that a retort would be appreciated, so here goes:

Let's start with the post here. Most of this is antagonistic fluff. UK's main attacks on me seem to be the following:

1) Insisting that she started the d2 wagon against Neo rather than Nobu, as I stated in my post. This is false. While UK may have placed the first vote on Neo for that day, Nobu presented the actual case against Neo that others latched on to. In other words, Nobu is the one who is actually responsible for igniting the wagon. Subsequent voters for Neo referenced Nobu's case, rather than UK's vote (see here and here).

2) That I am suspicious of more people than there are remaining scum players. However, this is the reality of playing a game of substantially incomplete information - I end up cautious of everyone. I am, however, more suspicious of some players than others, which I explained at the time.

UK's ISO on me fails to really say much. First, she points out that I was wrong on my D2 stance on Neo (ironically, I wasn't). Even if I was actually wrong, being incorrect in a game of incomplete information is certainly not damning. UK also attacks my stance on her unvote and claims I am hypocritical, since I myself opted not to vote for Neo and instead waited for night information to reach a conclusion on the issue. However, the problem here is that UK didn't provide any reason for her unvote except for "I'm not sure I want to get into [this] right now." Fairly arbitrary reasoning there. Certainly, she didn't cite the emergence of more info from the night phase, and only began to offer that explanation after it was presented by other players.

UK also has a post mostly dedicated to defending herself from the case I presented on her. Her points generally boil down to one question: how have her actions been outright scummy, or done with scum intent? The answer here is simple, and one UK has relied upon herself several times this game for her cases on other players. That is, while her words and actions may not have directly benefited scum, they failed to benefit town. This is sufficient to register as scummy between experienced players.

Blhraghu I've reached my limit for now. I'll start with my rereads once I have enough energy to think about this stuff again (read: probably tomorrow).

[UncertainJakutten]

1) Still the first vote.

2) No.

Um...basically your entire post is just...no. I mean...it's...wrong. Just...wat.

The...I can't really say anything about it because the very premises SUCK.

[Chaore]

Surprised I didn't come back to more.

Massclaim: All for a massclaim. I frankly don't like our chances of surviving tonight, especially if we apparently just lynched the Doctor. It's useless WIFOM to try and guess if the wolves will be able to get their kill off tonight- and sometimes, it's much like the end of the actual WIFOM game in Princess' Bride. No matter what you did, you lose. What isn't WIFOM is our chances of survival if we do lynch scum- a whooping 100% chance. I'd like to put everything towards -that- rather than an immaterial number of survival.

Currently going to say the only person I feel good about is Affinity- Nothing really bugs me too much about his/her play. Of the remaining three, UK is my least prefered to lynch as I can still kind of see where she's getting her ideas. I don't entirely agree with how she pulls them out, but I can get her process somewhat. Between Kefit and Bard, I'd frankly prefer to see Bard lynched. Yesterday was another example of him sitting on an easy target until he has to do something. The bit towards the end of the day with him and Kefit doesn't rub me right as well, though it may be the awkward wording- And the fact it's basically him trying to excuse himself from not giving opinions during D3 that aren't on me or Neo.

[Bardiche]

Not much time. Uni etc.

@Affinity: difference is that I read Chaore but not Kefit.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

~ About 74 hours left ~

[Affinity]

Outstanding issues and mysteries that need to be resolved are:

1) Zakeri's death on N1 with no townie death on N1 (latter can be explained by UK's role or Serela's protect).
2) Kilga being roleblocked on N1.
3) The nature of UK's role and why she did not protect Kilga on N2.
4) Whether she was roleblocked on N2 or, more importantly, N3.

With this, I think a massclaim is highly recommended, especially on the nature of UK's role.  I roleclaim Vanilla Villager.

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I need to make some revisions to the Kefit post, since I typed it rather hastily last night.  In D3, he defended himself against KilgaNobu's point about him voting for a person who was about to be modkilled (e.g Polaris) satisfactorily (this was what thought when I voted him too), but not against his resting of his vote on Polaris the entire D2.  It's okay to refuse to defend yourself and accept stuff to keep the game moving, but I'm not very sure of this since the game pretty much stopped on Serela on that point.  Kefit, what did you think of your D2 conduct against my and Nobu's points? 

Also, Kefit's play regarding those who are not easy to target has been irritatingly defensive.  What irritates me most is that in his previous post, he seems to have forgotten that he actually made the points against UK in the first place and ends up sadly defending himself without counter-attacking.  Some of them don't really apply anymore, but it did seem to signal an interest in real scumhunting.  The reason why I liked that opinion post dissolves very quickly; it's as if his opinions weren't real enough to commit to a solid stance.

[UncertainJakutten]

Yeah, at this point I'll full claim.

Without further ado...

I shot Zakeri Night 1!!!

My role, put simply, was fucking awesome. The essentia of it was I had two potions. A poison, and a potion of protection. Poison is exactly what it says on the tin. I use it, target someone, they DIE. Really, I'm surprised no one realized that I'm probably the only person who would actually SHOOT Zak N1.

The other potion I explained. I was able to make a list of people. If the wolves target someone on that list, the potion is used and the kill fails.

EACH POTION IS ONE SHOT. Well, one shot when consumed. The protection potion would last until I successfully protected from a kill. Apparently my protection of Kilga resolved before Serela's, since I no longer have that potion. My kill potion would get used when someone died. I'm not COMPLETELY sure what would happen had Serela protected my kill target, actually. It might go away anyway. But that's not incredibly important right now since I've been a vanilla villager since D2 ;.

Ah, right, yes, I was able to use both potions in the same night, obviously. I was honestly quite surprised when Sakana said I could.

Kefit should go next.

[UncertainJakutten]

Also, I'm pretty sure I claimed one shot on my potions in my half claim post, which would answer half those questions ;.

[Cirno]

I am a Vanilla Villager.

Affinity: Yes, that was a defensive post. Unfortunately, I was too tired yesterday to get to a counter-attack against UK. The general gist of it is that UK's play this game has been full of airy antagonism, vaporous rolename shenanigans (not once, but twice), an altogether unnecessary roleclaim, loud proof positive proclamations that others are scum based on fairly poor cases, and constant reminders that SHE was the one who voted for Zak on d1. This raucous and ultimately ineffectual gameplay has largely been in lieu of real, substantive scumhunting analysis.

I decline to make the detailed case now because UK's roleclaim is intriguing. While I find the power level of the role difficult to believe (especially in a game with another full doc), her claim is currently the only explanation we have for Zak's death on d1. If no other explanation arises, then UK's claim will be solid, and I will probably drop the case against her despite the substantial misgivings I have towards her play.

As for my d2 vote, I feel I've explained this already. My vote on Polaris early d2 was because I thought he was scummy and was hoping others would think like me. Obviously, this was not the case. When it came time for me to reassess my vote in the later parts of the day, I felt that Polaris had become far worse than every other player due to his failure to do anything at all on d2. I reiterated my case, hoping people would notice this, but again my efforts fell on deaf ears. Changing my vote at that juncture, with a plan to return to Polaris at the end of the day would not have accomplished anything, and I honestly still have a really hard time understanding why you did that yourself.

Speaking of irritating, Affinity you certainly have been narrow-mindedly talking about me lately. You keep reiterating the same points against me and keep asking me to answer substantially the same questions, and in the process have made several misrepresentations due ostensibly to not having read my posts well enough. Why are you focusing so much on me in lieu of pursuing analysis on other players? I understand that you may be waiting for roleclaim info before pursuing full analysis of everyone (much as I am), but why then do you continue to pick on my case while we wait for the claims? I find this lack of attention given to the other players of this game to be increasingly unsettling.

[Kefit]

Whoops, wrong account.

I am Cirno and responsible for the post above.

[UncertainJakutten]

Well, you DO realize it's two one shot actions, right Kefit? It's not THAT powerful outside of the guaranteed protect.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

About 48 hours to go

[Affinity]

@Kefit:  You might think that pursuing someone alone is good enough to look town, but my beef with you is that you just merely rested your vote on Polaris on D2 without doing anything else, as I said before.  You could have at least given opinions on other players but you did not (As I said, I thought your vote was fine, but it was so unremarkable as your sole contribution to D2) 

Furthermore, I don't see much of the misrepresentations you point out; despite a few silly mistakes on my part, the case still stands mostly on your D2 conduct and some things in your D3 and D4 posts which I find suspect and townie-pretending.   Saying Nobu is town for 'continued pressure on Neo' (which is so obvious to do since he was obvscum at that moment) and 'keeping vote on Neo' when he had simply no time to read is somewhat hilarious padding, as well as saying that Chaore's case on Bardiche was 'alright on D2' but 'unimpressive on D3'.  Lastly, you shouldn't be defending UK because she attacked you and I asked you to, you should be defending your reasons for suspecting her as scum.  The two should go hand in hand.

UK's claim is not necessarily solid because scum could NK their own brethren to support scum UK's claim, and it would still fit the information we have. 

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Bardiche, on the whole, seems more sincere about his scumhunting than Kefit, even though they have progressed along similar paths in the early days of lynching the easiest possible targets and not saying anything on the others.  However, there is little of the problems that plague Kefit's conduct; the issue of 'why lynch this newbie and not the other' has always been clear since D1 and on the whole more convincing,  Scumhunting is also more active than that of Kefit; more questioning and pursuing than Kefit's vote-resting.  However, the lack of opinions on others still draws a blank; what he said on D3 about UK and NobuKilga being most townie-looking, etc. is largely unsubstantiated and useless now.  Have to say that he looks most townie of the lot, but not very due to lack of relevant content.

Chaore has a very very dedicated stance against Bardiche and really nothing much more.  This case, however, is something I agree with on a fundamental level; looking town by going for newbies and raising easy solid cases in exchange for comments on more competent players. However, it is not clear as to why he would want to go for Bardiche and not Kefit; he says that Bardiche rested his vote on a useless townie on D3 (but Kefit also did that on D1/2).  His views seem tinged by something personal, and are on the whole (aside form that on Bard), not that concrete.  He gets points for originality but there isn't much to talk about or latch on to.  I feel that he's town, but mostly by gut.

Uk... is complicated.  More on her later. 

[UncertainJakutten]

...does bofh need to slap you Affinity? Do...do you realize what you are proposing? I really, really, hope you are proposing that as a low order probability because there are SO many problems with that theory about my claim.

SO many problems.  But, I'll leave it "why are you proposing a conspiracy theory just how many times has a conspiracy theory won MotK mafia OH THAT'S RIGHT ZERO"

[UncertainJakutten]

Huh, just read Kefit's post outside the roleclaim. What's funny is my "loud, antagonistic, ineffectual, non scumhunting play" has caught exactly one more scum than you have all game. It will probably catch a second once we slip some well deserved rope around your neck.

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: Yes, that's more rhetoric, rhetoric is bad, but I mean, seriously, if you're going to say something at least back it up with reality

(waits to be called on this for something she said earlier in the game. I don't even know what, but I'm sure it'll happen)

[Bardiche]

On Affinity.

First vote is a hop on the huhwhat bandwagon, which is not weird in itself except the final post before lynch is. I mean, "the main thing" being that Huhwhat has no clue on who is scum.

On day 1.

Let me repeat that because it is important. Holding it against someone that they have no clue who scum is on D1. That's a bit weird I'd say. The lackluster defence is a true point but holding it against him that he was clueless is rather weird.

Day 2: vote Kilga, which is not so weird except Affinity here criticises Kefit and I for pursuing the people who drop scummy hints left and right, claiming they are "too easy". This strikes me as a weird sentiment, again, because the Huhwhat case from D1 based itself on Huhwhat being scummy despite that he was also derpy.

Turning around and then chiding those pursuits seems weird at best, especially if you follow it up with condemning Polaris who was "too easy a case".

Back on the previous link, Affinity jumps off Kilga without further mentioning him, and coincidentally, Kilga dies that night. It's like scum was trying to get rid of him. :V

We continue on with the http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7063.msg439565.html#msg439565statement that Nat Tea be given a "newbie pass"[/url] and attacks on Polaris who was, earlier, an "easy case". It seems absurdly hypocritical. The consequent LAL sentiment is completely ignored by Chaore who is still the heaviest proponent of "OMG BARD IS CHASIN TEH LURKZ!1!!" and it makes me raise a wary frown at him.

Overall, though, would not support a particularly strong case on Affinity at the moment.


The other of my targets, of course, remains to be Chaore with his completely one-sided devotion to me, and consequently his ignoring of Affinity's LAL sentiments makes me curious and I would like to hear from him on why I am so bad for chasing lurkers on D2 allegedly (as I refuted time and again, it was just a common trait they shared but not my main beef) when Affinity took similar actions and comes off scot-free?


As for why I thought UK was most townie along with Kilga: Kilga acted Townie, and come on, UK being the town vig was obvious. NO ONE but UK thought Zakeri was scum on D1, and coincidentally Zakeri DIES. The only one smug enough to believe Zakeri really was scum at that time was UK, so I obviously assumed she'd killed him.

As a result yes, UK is the least scummy person to me outside of far-out gambits and honestly, if one such is pulled then bravo. Rest of teh conduct has not been worrying in the least.

[UncertainJakutten]

To be fair, I'd have shot N1 whether I was sure of scum or not. It's my MO. Not the most optimal play but certainly the most fun. But, more importantly why I'm responding is are you going to claim, Bardiche?

[Bardiche]

Vanilla of course. All claims to role heaviness are seemly false.

[UncertainJakutten]

So I guess that leaves Chaore.

[Chaore]

Vanilla.

@Bard: I am almost literally incapable of responding to you rationally at the moment, due to a great deal of stress on my side that is hampering my ability to coherently voice my thoughts in a form other than antagonistic babble. I will however frown at your continued misunderstanding of why am I going after you, when you clearly seem to understand when you need to. I suspect you are still working off of your demeaning assumption I just attacked you because you were going after lurkers and I am having low presence, thus at risk.

My attack is because I believe you are scummy, not because I am afraid you are going to lynch me. I believe you've done nothing by pointing that out other than prove that.

[Bardiche]

... again, Chaore. You fail to understand that I was being sarcastic there. If I could get people lynched with LAL in mind only I'd have field days each game. That you've been so zealously going after me for two game days and I STILL fail to grasp the truth of your case says large things about the content and presentation of it.

Now then, as you are convinced I am scum, why not share your thoughts on who my scum partner is, as I cannot operate alone?


So the choice for me falls between three vanillas, namely Affinity, Kefit and Chaore, as for now I am not too keen on lynching UK barring some really weird shenanigans.

Of those, Affinity does not strike me as too scummy as I raised below. Despite the questionable things, they are more weird to me than that they are scummy, and for now I am not entirely convinced of guilt on the scummy side in this matter.

Chaore himself strikes me as blinded by personal dislike towards me born from a misunderstanding of my sarcasm. While this is not particularly scummy, his complete fixation on me renders him a liability to town. I consider him to be on the Deltaflyer-level of Mafia at this point in time and feel that anyone supporting his lynch is going for a very, very obvious one that is more a misguided Town having the tenacity of a cockroach on a doomed case than it is a scum person trying their hardest to get a mislynch in.

D2, D3 and now D4 are DayBard to Chaore, and that alone says enough about the dangers he presents to Town: absolutely none, for his attempts are fruitless.

As such, by pure process of elimination, we arrive at Kefit must be scum. But then, who is his partner? As I believe Chaore is Derp, then either Affinity or UK is the last ace. UK is possible only if we assume that Scum NKed one of their own, and their reward would be this WIFOM net. It is certainly a possibility that exists, but not worth considering at this juncture.

The other is of course Affinity of who I re-iterate that she has not been that absurdly weird. The pushing on Kefit seems more legit than Kefit's pointing at Chaore regardless; whereas Affinity pursues the Uncertain Case, Kefit picks on the one who doesn't concern me in the slightest.

Kefit's one-sided devotion to Polaris on D2 has also raised a frown, and as such I am content enough in my belief that I will vote Kefit.

##Vote: Kefit
##Unvote: Kefit

... after we have the obligatory round of responses to mass roleclaim, for all that I think it is useless. Will vote Kefit when I wake up tomorrow regardless, barring someone's insightful insights making me cartwheel around at discerning the truth and the real scum.

[UncertainJakutten]

Obviously I'd vote Kefit. I'm surprised only pseudolylo is being engaged in, and I anticipate someone besides the scum are lying. Not that I don't understand.

[Affinity]

@UK: GWU Mafia is an example when that gambit worked.  And Bamboo Forest is an example when a D1 conflict was staged (with Kilga), by you actually.  I was the hero then, but sigh, that was emotionally stressful.  In my opinion, the probability of that role occurring (with a Hunter and Healer already on the list, guaranteed protect etc.) is equivalent to the chance of a scum gambit.  And bofh was on your side in Bamboo Forest so...

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@Bardiche: A response:

I have to say that catching scum by the process of elimination is... bewildering in the least.  The line between derp, weird, and scum, is after all, very very fine, and not saying much about Kefit's scuminess by itself feels very awkward.  Especially when you are invariably eliminating one other scum.   

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@UK:

Alright; UK's lynch isn't very likely for today at least, but there are several things we can look at to determine the truth of her role.  Her outburst with Zakeri, her incredibly sudden fixation on Kefit, and her lack of contribution after that fixation etc. might say a few things. 

Kilga's little analysis on that outburst still holds relevance despite Zakeri flipping scum; I myself agree that some elements of that questioning is quite reactionary and unreasonable and that she caught Zakeri more by chance than anything else (if UK is town).  For example, seeing him scummy for not voting her at a time when it wouldn't make any use. 

Zakeri's case also hardly warrants a vote at that stage of the game from UK because there were plenty of other misrepresentations (for example, Serela against Nobu etc.)  Either emotion is involved or merely the gambit.  I also don't see why scumZak would pursue UK with such specifically tailored reasons so late in the day (unless he wants to pretend to have an original case, but even that...), except if he wanted to activate this little scum gambit.  For example, Zakeri's reasons:

So far, UK is my biggest pursuit. Active Lurking, Admiting to Active lurking in post 71, General Suspicions thrown at anyone who complains in her direction, The long argument with Bard that I felt the need to skip over. The half explained gutvote on huhwhat. Much of this can be attributed to UK being UK, but it's hard for me at this point is see her completely clean of scum intent.

Only the first point has any relevance, and one that can be attached to many others.  Admitting to Active Lurking can also be attached to people like Polaris and Nat Tea.  Third and fourth are irrelevant.  Half-explained gutvote is also done by other players in the game.  It's almost as if Zakeri had to try very hard to dig up dirt on UK so sadly, and if UK was town, it would be for very little benefit.  Even the last sentence of that quote is very weird (see her completely clean of scum intent?  Huh?)  It feels staged, and combined with the vig/doc one-shot she has and her lack of scumhunting drive after the Kefit thing, it feels very much to me that UK is scum, and that a self NK is so much more convincing.  Other reasons can be found in Kilga's post which applies here.

Her partner is possibly Kefit.  UK's argument with Kefit also seems staged as it was not the slightest bit telegraphed before (even she admits that Kefit's conduct before was not scummy or townie), and because UK seemed fine with me just because I didn't put any padding in my post (which doesn't seem very important; I also don't understand how raising scummy possibilities and discarding them for reasons makes anyone more scummy).  Also, Kefit doesn't have any of that scumhunting drive against UK and pretty much ignores her until called out for it, in which his attacking position becomes a defensive position.  UK doesn't actively pursue him either.  But this part is not as confirmed, I feel; Bardiche previous post makes me feel uneasy about him.

Therefore: ##Vote: UK

[UncertainJakutten]

...you might wanna unvote because the scum are going to quicklynch me, assuming you aren't, Affinity.

Anyway, main problem with your case is...um...is it REALLY worth losing what would assumably be 1/3 of my team for this ambiguous ~*~town cred~*~, especially when odds are Zak wasn't getting lynched with my case? Scum win by numbers. The game becomes INCREASINGLY HARD as there are less players, from a scum POV. So, you're suggesting NOT ONLY did I kill Zakeri for some stupid gambit, thusly reducing my team's numbers, and ALSO not thinning out the town, presumably by attempting to kill pretty much the strongest townie (Kilga)...but you're also implying I'd claim to kill Zak, and tack on some protection thing to push what was already an assured mislynch, claiming what would be an unlikely role that will get me suspected, when I could have just claimed vig, thus throwing away my ~*~town cred~*~...you know what, I can't even continue, this is ridiculous Affinity turn your fucking brain on goddammit.

There's WIFOM, and then there's a point where one would have to be stupid to take a course of action. You are proposing that myself, Zakeri, AND Kefit (or Bard), are ALL so stupid as to kill our own person and hope some ~*~crazy town cred plan~*~ works. Why do you think I'm stupid Affinity? Why do you think Kefit is stupid, Affinity? Please, I want to know why you malign us so much.

You're making a mistake Affinity. And if I DO get lynched, you are going to regret it. (Sorry, that sounds threatening, I mean it more as "if you have an ounce of care for the game you'll realize how ridiculous your proposition was after the fact, and essentially realize you talked yourself into it on the extreme offchance you were right)

Anyway, outside of the fact that a gambit would be ridiculously stupid that early in the game, I believe your case has inconsistencies, which FURTHER implies you are trying REALLY HARD to convince yourself of this because it would be ~*~cool~*~ if you were right.

I disagree I've lacked contribution after catching Kefit scum. Please elaborate on that.

Further, you've misrepped my case on Zak. It was less him not voting me and more the nature and tone of his case, which I'm PRETTY SURE I said at that time. Further, while misreps existed, you overgeneralize them. Zakeri's misrep was more of the scummy variety because it's intent appeared to be to confuse or to set up a situation that didn't benefit town. Neo's misrep was trying to justify his jump on Nobu. Hell, I still probably read it as scummy. Also, Zak's post contained a lot of IIoA on everyone except me. I'm NOT completely sure I said that, but I'm pretty sure I did.

Anyway, you're also arguing that Zak's case wasn't scummy, except that it was scummy.  Basically, you tear apart Zak's case for scumminess and weirdness, but then say I could not have picked that up. You can't have it both ways, Affinity.

And...um...what about Kefit not being pursued by me? Perhaps you're missing something about the fact I'd be voting him, and have declared my intent to do so ever since he claimed scum with his terrible case on me. Obviously I wanted Serela lynched first, given the relative certainty of his scumminess (which alas didn't work)

Maybe you missed something? You know, about the fact it's LYLO!? That'd explain the vote as well.

[Kefit]

##Vote: UK

[Chaore]

##Vote:UK