Werewolf Mafia ~ Let the Hunt begin ~ GAME OVER, WOLVES WIN

[Bardiche]

Ugh, so a reading mistake somehow causes me to be of a very low standard.

Now I know why I never play Mafia. The drama is pretty traumatizing for me.

Don't worry. Srs Mafier is Srs. Not all games are so cutthroat.

Should mention you ought to ask about clarifications of your role PM in future games and not to worry too hard. We all make goof ups in our first games. Just don't go sharing your lover's name now, and it's probably arright, unless you get smitten with a modkill for the quotation.

Modkills are never fun for mods so try to avoid it. Distance yourself from elements that upset you during the game and you'll make it through just fine.



Zakeri, why do you feel Nobu is a better lead than Huh What? The latest sprint of OMGUS against Kilga is not helping him. Meta defending him somehow or another? I'm not familiar with MotK mafier players save for a few (Pesco!!!) so I don't know if Huh What is generally like this.

[Kilgamayan]

HW: Even if you didn't know Nobu very well to be able to get the second example I provided, the first one with regards to the emoticon was still readily available.

What could you have done to make me get off your case? Make some solid cases on other people, really. I actually wavered a bit between you and Serela because his Nobu-voting post was fairly unimpressive and he disappeared again right afterward, but your content on the whole wasn't all that impressive either, and that line really stuck with me, so I stuck with you. Even with your latest post, after Bard has plugged you for it as much as he has, it still looks like you don't want to do anything other than defend yourself. UK basically had to drag out reasoning from you regarding your opinion on Zakeri and you seemed very reluctant to give it while you were doing so.

It's also worth noting I've criticized Chaore, as easy-to-miss as it was, so my day hasn't been 100% focused on you.

[UncertainJakutten]

Ok, Bard, this is getting unfunny. I'm guessing you're ignoring me because you feel like you have some moral high ground thanks to my excitement in the Zakeri case.

This is NOT protown, should it be the case

Rather than just ignoring me and hoping I'll go away, you could at least SAY "Hey, UK, you're getting a little annoying again". Please do so if this is the case.

I DO realize my excitement has made my tone considerably more smug and I'm calming down now. I'm just REALLY sure I've caught scum at this point.

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: To elaborate, I DO listen to people's complaints about me, even if it takes me awhile to dial it back properly, and if sometimes I do it grudgingly. I DON'T appreciate this little subgame of making me guess. It's a waste of time and just perpetuates the problem.

[Bardiche]

I don't feel like repeating the first game I played here. There's no indication there's been any change since then and now, so I don't feel like the tug-of-war over how right you are. Find someone else for opinions or whatever, I'll deal with you when there's no other choice.

[Prody]

Prody: Do you still prefer Serela to any of the current wagons?

NeoSerela really hasn't spoken much and I don't feel so good at the moment...

##UNVOTE

[UncertainJakutten]

I don't WANT a tug of war. I want ANSWERS. I wasn't even being caustic to you. I was rather sarcastic with Zak, yes, sure. But I seriously want to know.

I honestly have NO CLUE what the hell is bugging you. If you aren't going to tell me, how the hell do you expect me to change?

Are you happy that you're under my skin now? Cause GOOD JOB! HAVE A FUCKING MEDAL! Congratulations on getting a genuine UK breakdown!

Now that you have your little moral victory, HELP ME HELP YOU! I WANT TO FUCKING PLAY THIS GAME, AND I CAN'T DO THAT IF I CAN'T GET INFORMATION FROM PLAYERS!

Yes, this is pissing me off. Fix it, please!

[UncertainJakutten]

And yes, I'm serious. I'm willing to listen. But the way you've gone about it has been just plain immature. I have no idea why you'd TRY to piss me off, unless you're trying to play some silly "Now how does it feel to not enjoy the game, UK" thing. Maybe I'm missing something. I'd like to think I am. Regardless, my please is serious. I want to know what I did that bugged you, and how you suggest I change it.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

It's also worth noting I've criticized Chaore, as easy-to-miss as it was, so my day hasn't been 100% focused on you.

To me, that didn't seem as much of an accusation as it did a response. If you're going to claim it was actually intended as a point against Chaore, then what's your stance on him? Would he have been your second choice for a lynch today? I can't really tell what you think about him at all from what you said, but then again I can't really tell who you think is scummy at all other than me because I'm the only person you've pursued for more than a paragraph all day.

Bard: Regardless of whether you want to talk about your opinions on UK's case on Zak or not, you could always share your opinions on Zak himself and his case.

[UncertainJakutten]

ok. I THINK I'm in a reasonable mindset now. I still would like to resolve this amicably, Bard, and for that to happen we need an open discussion. If possible, we might want to have a chat between you and I outside of the game with Sakana and/or Serp overseeing it so we can resolve this without further hurting the integrity of the game.

Would you be up for such an option, assuming Sakana and Serp go for it? It's about the most reasonable thing I can think of that won't clutter the game thread. I'm also fine resolving it out in the open if you'd prefer. But, it's not fair to either of us to be hurting the game. I'm probably more to blame in this regard, but admittedly, your latest tactic wasn't very pleasant either. I want a truce, and then I want us to kick ass and catch scum, k?

[Serp]

Whew, game blew up while I was away.  Pretty sure the unofficial votecounts up 'till now have been accurate, but I'm going to try and quickly do a recount before the end of regulation time.  Time left before the regulation deadline is one hour.

[Kilgamayan]

Apparently I misremembered the exact phrasing of that part of my post, I thought it was more suspicion-demonstrating than it actually was.

Overall feeling on the day about Chaore is that he's been pretty lurkish, and I didn't remember a lot of what he did say when he posted aside from him actually explaining the problem he had with my vote. I can see where he was coming from with that stance, though, so he's higher on my happy chart than he could be. No worse than third on my preferred lynch order (first two being you and Serela), and really I'd probably put Choja ahead of him, too, because despite the newbie pseudopass I've been giving him, his day has consisted of absolutely nothing meaningful (tons of unsure stances) and very little post volume at all.

It's honestly very hard to make any sort of mental rankings of the game on the whole with all the newbies doing newbie things and all the lurkers being lurkers (and, for the most part, not being terribly useful when they've been present). Extremely difficult to pick through the muck. Bard and Kefit are really the only two people I like, and I'm thinking Prody's town, too. Been going back-and-forth on UK, I was able to see where the people accusing her of being low content early on were coming from (UK, before you ask, I'll be happy to provide the list you've been asking for in that regard tomorrow, if I think it's still relevant enough to pursue) but I thought she got better as time went on in the day, and then there's what just happened here recently, which...I don't really know. I'll be grateful for the night to give myself a chance to look her over (:winky:) without the pressure of a lynch deadline.

Everyone else is either someone I'm willing to vote for or doesn't really register in my head (which means I'm kinda willing to vote for them by default).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

No worse than third on my preferred lynch order (first two being you and Serela),

You haven't mentioned Serela at all today up until now (unless I missed something while looking through your posts), do you have anything to say about him that hasn't already been said, or is he just high on your list for the same reasons he is on the other people who dislike him?

[Kilgamayan]

I talked about him right here.

[UncertainJakutten]

I have to head to bed now. I apologize for my outburst(s?), and hope that those who are...a little underwhelmed with my attitude will at least consider being open about the what, and in return I'll do my best to address those concerns, and I won't flip the fuck out about them.

Oh...right.

##unvote, ##Vote Huh What

L-1.

Cut by Kilga: Nah, I have a general idea of your mindset. I was trying to get data on Bard to be honest since I think with enough exposure to his methodology I can figure out what to do with him when hunting for intents.

[Affinity]

UK, for your question on my last point, I just have to say that I find all this supposed trap-questioning by huhwhat a nulltell and that I don't agree with Kilga on that point.   As for the questions, it seems that I have misinterpreted huhwhat's case on Nobu, so it doesn't matter anymore.

I don't like your sudden suspicion on Kilgamayan which was not telegraphed beforehand either, huhwhat,.  The main thing now is that it seems that you have revealed that you do not really have a concrete opinion on who is scum and why, which is always fatal, I suppose.  Admitting that you do not have much belief in the case you have been pushing throughout the game is also really damning too, and the questioning of Kilga does not seem to have much genuine drive behind it as a result.

[Serp]

VOTE COUNT

huh what ( 6.5 ): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit, Affinity, Bardiche  (L-1)
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela, Zakeri
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Zakeri, Bardiche, huh what
Zakeri ( 0 ): UncertainKitten
NeoSerela ( 0 ): Bardiche, Prody, UncertainKitten
Chaore ( 0 ): huh what, Nobu
Prody ( 0 ): Bardiche, Polaris, huh what
UncertainKitten ( 0 ): Chaore, Prody, Nobu, Kilgamayan
Bardiche ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
Polaris ( 0 ): Zakeri
Affinity ( 0 ): Chaore
Kefit ( 0 ): Kilgamayan

Extension: ( 6 ):  UK, huh what, Neo, Polaris, Choja, Zakeri

No vote: Choja, Polaris, Prody

43 minutes left in regulation.  1 more vote needed for extension.

Regarding modkills and conflict resolution and such, that'll have to wait for Sakana to get on and weigh in.

[Polaris]

ffffuuu. Less than an hour left and I'm not convinced on any of the cases here. Pursuing Kilga or Nobu isn't going to work out this late, as is trying any other wagons. But I don't feel comfortable in placing the hammer on huh what either... =/

What really bothers me is that this is pretty much the exact same setup as the last game, with huh what at L-1 and me refusing to vote >_> Only difference is that huh what didn't disappear for the rest of the day, but that was due to being inactive in general iirc so yeah it doesn't count

also iirc he roleclaimed vanilla townie if that matters at all.

[Kilgamayan]

We both have votes on us. If you think we're suspicious, vote for one of us. A vote not on the vote chart at all is the only vote that's truly wasted.

[Serp]

Ten minutes to go.

[Serp]

DEADLINE SHUT UP

[Dead Princess Sakana]

~ Day 1 ended ~
The Stranger looked at the crowd arguing as he leaned on the tree.
They had been talking for a while now, opinions had formed and shifted, but it seemed it would end soon.
Suddenly, something caught his eye.
"So I shall reveal to you the words of fate that have been spoken to me, behold!"
It was Prody that had called for attention like that.
Just as he wanted to speak further, he twitched.
Noone had seen how it happened, but the Stranger had rushed in and impaled Prody on his sword.
"Sorry, but I can't allow that. You know the rules. Even if it was a misunderstanding, you could have asked for clarification.",
the Stranger spoke as the lifeless body sank to the ground.
As it fell, Prody's body shortly sprouted a pair of white wings, then it disappeared.
"Amor, eh?", the Stranger shrugged.

Then he turned around to that crowd, who was still standing in disbelief over the happenings.
"Well then, who shall it be now?"
For a moment noone reacted, but then hands were raised, fingers pointed at each other.
The Stranger looked around.
"That's pretty clear, sorry my boy."
His words were directed at Huh What, whom six people were pointing at.
A few minutes later, his body dangled from tree, swaying in the light breeze.
But nothing happened.
No flash, no fancy lights, not even him turning into a hairy beast.
Huh What had been nothing more than a Vanilla Villager.

"Hmm, what an ending. Well then, the show's over.
Have a good night, and don't let the wolves bite you, hehehe."
The Stranger grinned as he walked away....

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Huh What, Vanilla Villager, has been lynched.

Prody, Amor, has been modkilled for quoting the role PM.

Note: Upon death of a player, the Role PM will be revealed by me, unless the player was a Vanilla Villager.

You are a Amor, sent from the heavens to help the Village against those that threaten it.

Before the game starts, you will choose two Lovers from all the players in the game (you can choose yourself as well) and PM your choice to the Mods.
The Lovers will be bound by fate and must not vote against each other.
If one of the Lovers dies, the other will follow into death.
Should it happen that a Werewolf and a Villager end up Lovers, then they will become a third party that will have to eliminate everyone else for the sake of their love.

You have chosen yourself to be the Lover of XXX.

Neither of you is allowed to vote against the other, and when one of you two dies, the other will follow into death immediately.
You are not allowed to speak to each other in any way outside the normal discussion in the game.
Your goal is to protect your love against any threats.
Your goal is to discover the inhuman beasts that are hiding in the Village.
You win when all threats to the Village and your love have been eliminated.

Because I do not feel it fair to punish another player for someone else's modkill the Lovers have been deactivated. The second Lover will not die, and there are from now on no Lovers in the game anymore.

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It is now Night 1. The Village is sleeping and noone is to speak. You have 24 hours to send in Night Actions.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

~Night 1 ended~
As the sun started to rise over the village, the Stranger walked from door to door.
He did this everyday, and he knew what he would find.
In one of those houses, there would be a corpse.
He would get it, then bury it, like he did yesterday, and the day before that.
Then he would gather everyone else and the discussion would begin anew.
The Stranger opened the first door.
"Hah, my instincts are always right."
He neared the corpse.
Suddenly, he stopped.
He stared at the body for a while, then smirked.
"Now isn't that interesting."
A few minutes later, he had dragged the body out into the open and called everyone to the village square.
The first reaction was anger as they saw another victim, but it quickly changed to surprise, then to shock.
"No... Zakeri... why"
The body on the ground was not human.
A deformed face, fangs, a tail, beast-like claws instead of hands.
What laid there before them, was the corpse of a Werewolf.
"Well then, I'm gonna bury that one, and the rest of you, have fun deciding whom should hang today, hehehehehe."

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Zakeri, Vanilla Werewolf, has not survived the night.

You are a villager with no special abilities... except for your unfortunate infection with Lycanthropy.
You are a Werewolf that roams the Village at night in search for prey.

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It is now Day 2. You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Note: Also, please always send in actions to both me AND Serp, for reasons of better managing the game.

[Kilgamayan]

Well. I was gonna write up a piece on why I had more problems with UK based on the way she badgered Zakeri than anything else she did yesterday, but that seems kinda moot now. Willing to toss her into the townie bin for the time being.

##Vote: Nobu

in light of huh what's flip, and given the good feeling I'm getting from everyone else on the huh what wagon (aside from Affinity, but I don't feel particularly bad about him, either), I'm going to buy into this case. His cited reasons for joining that wagon were far and away the weakest, him mostly citing me falls even further flat on its face given I realized later that my initial reasons for voting huh what were less accurate than I had thought (making the vote seem even more like a bandwagon hop), and he did pretty much nothing else for the rest of the day. Even if this was due to outside circumstances, it still means there's nothing I can point at and go "well, this was pretty good".

Nobu aside, I am highly interested in hearing what Choja has to produce. I expect more of you than the nothing you did yesterday now that we have flips.

[Serela]

~*~Serela's Quick D1 Analysis~*~
Polly is derp, nothing new there

UK is probably town considering Zak's scumflip

Bard I'm thinking is town due to :EXTREEM EFFORT: etc

Choja needs to actually do something

I think there was scum on huhwhat's wagon. Affinity strikes me the wrong way, but I should probably reread and post reasons if I want that to go anywhere today (Likely will wait till tomorrow on that and see how things are then unless people really want to lynch him more then Nobu today).

Don't like Nobu because basically all he contributed was the bandwagon jump onto Huhwhat and expressing a desire to bandwagon jump onto me for LAL. This was p.much my exact case yesterday, although now I think it's better since A.Huhwhat flipped town and B.The rest of the day passed without him really doing anything else, making my original points stronger.

##Vote:Nobu

[UncertainJakutten]

* UncertainKitten bows.

I told you (about stairs)

Anyway, I think I need to read Nobu in ISO before I come to any conclusions. I agree there are scum on the HW wagon.

[Affinity]

@Serela: Considering that a whole host of players have not done anything much yesterday as well, like Choja, Polaris, you, and Chaore, how are they in anyway different from Nobu?  Furthermore, you have not explained how 'not being on the wagons that aren't him or prody' implicates Nobu as scum.

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Not really getting a good feeling from Kilga yesterday as well.  I'm weary of how insistent he has been on the early D1 actions huhwhat has done without much regard for his latter actions which I feel are more important (like overly defending himself and not really commenting much on other players, even Nobu).  He only finally admits that he was looking for a solid case from him here, sort of following after Bard's and my lead, but before that, he has been questioning him totally on those early D1 actions, which strikes me as odd.  I don't see any reason why he would have kept the above secret since me and Bard has already criticized huhwhat for not putting forward a case a bit earlier in the day.  It feels as if he has been riding on that nearly indefensible accusation for the entire day, and that he had only tacked on the 'looking for a serious case' part later.

Lastly, but slightly less importantly, his suspicion against Nobu today seems a little incongruent with his D1 behavior, where he did not mention a single word against his supposedly weak bandwagon hop (I personally think it was okay).  Therefore...

##Vote: Kilgamayan

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Also, I'm quite disappointed that Polaris, Nat Tea, and Nobu are not really giving us anything to work with, other than Nobu riding on the huhwhat bandwagon for real life reasons.  It's quite detrimental to town, so I second that need for contribution.

[Serela]

@Serela: Considering that a whole host of players have not done anything much yesterday as well, like Choja, Polaris, you, and Chaore, how are they in anyway different from Nobu?  Furthermore, you have not explained how 'not being on the wagons that aren't him or prody' implicates Nobu as scum.

Choja:He's derp, as can be seen in his only other mafia game (Pesco's Piece of Shit PoS Mafia, unless I'm mistaken and I forgot he was in one of the anonymafias)
Polaris:Also derp, as can be very obviously seen in the previous game
Chaore:He... fell under my radar, actually. Hmm.

This doesn't mean they don't need to post (They do), but I'm not going to run around labelling lurky nubs as scum, especially when I've got what I feel is a good case on someone, and another person I'd like to pursue as well, even!

Also, Nobu isn't scum for NOT being on wagons that aren't him or Prody, I said the opposite. He's scummy because the only thing he really did yesterday is bandwagon hop onto Huhwhat parroting Kilga's weak case and adding a slight expansion, and then say he'd vote me (an emerging wagon) for LAL (lol LAL on D1).

Parroting a bad case to wagon hop, and then saying he'll wagonhop to an emerging bad wagon. This is all he really contributed yesterday. How is that NOT bad?

I'm definitely being weary of Affinity now, with all his defense towards Nobu and how much he loved the huhwhat train yesterday. If Nobu flips scum, I'd be fairly sure Affinity is too. That's something to discuss tomorrow though, after we have said flips (Or later if Nobu isn't dead by then)

[UncertainJakutten]

Kilga's giving me some bad vibes right now. While Nobu's contributions yesterday left much to be desired, my ISO reveals he was having a lot of difficulty posting in the latter half of the day. While this doesn't necessarily preclude him from being SCUM, the way you've gone about accusing him without taking into account his naturally low ability to post as he was travelling is...kinda weird .

Secondly, I'm interested in this. Can you post the hypothetical case on me, Kilga, regarding Zak? I know it doesn't apply now, so I won't defend it, but I want to see your thought process.

Anyway, going to ISO Kilga, and check out the cross section of Serela and Nobu's wagons.

[UncertainJakutten]

WARNING: QUOTE SPAM

First vote on Serela:

VOTE COUNT

UncertainKitten ( 2 ): Chaore, Prody, Nobu, Kilgamayan
Prody ( 2 ): Bardiche, Polaris, huh what
huh what ( 5 ): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Zakeri, Bardiche
Bardiche ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
Chaore ( 0 ): huh what, Nobu
Polaris ( 0 ): Zakeri
Affinity ( 0 ): Chaore
Kefit ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
NeoSerela ( 1 ): Bardiche

 Huh What is at L-2

Not Voting: Choja, Affinity

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to hammer.  About 12 hours are left in the day.
Choja and Affinity have been prodded.

Hmm...HW was the first vote on Nobu. Odds of a counterwagon going down.

This exchange is odd. This is the third vote on the Serela wagon...

Serela ties it up with Nobu.

VOTE COUNT

UncertainKitten ( 0 ): Chaore, Prody, Nobu, Kilgamayan
Prody ( 1 ): Bardiche, Polaris, huh what
huh what ( 3 ): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Zakeri, Bardiche
Bardiche ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
Chaore ( 0 ): huh what, Nobu
Polaris ( 0 ): Zakeri
Affinity ( 0 ): Chaore
Kefit ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
NeoSerela ( 3 ): Bardiche, Prody, UncertainKitten
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela

Not Voting: Choja, Affinity
Extension: UncertainKitten, huh what, NeoSerela, Polaris

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to hammer.  About 4 and a half hours are left in the day.

(Editted out non votecounty stuff. IIRC this is official as of Serp's post near the end of D1)

COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL BARE-BONES VOTE COUNT

huh what ( 5 ): Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit, Affinity, Bardiche
NeoSerela ( 1 ): Prody
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela
Zakeri ( 1 ): UncertainKitten

Not Voting: Choja, Polaris, Zakeri
Extension: UncertainKitten, huh what, NeoSerela, Polaris

huh what is at L-2!

With 13 votes in play, 7 votes are required to hammer.  About 2 and a half hours are left in the day.

Hmm...the Serela wagon is the one that breaks down when switching to Huh What. This is intriguing. That slightly lends itself to Nobu being scum. Trouble is the people ON the wagon seemed fairly townie to me. Considering I know myself, and Prody has been flipped...

For completeness

VOTE COUNT

huh what ( 6.5 ): NeoSerela, UncertainKitten, Kilgamayan, Nobu, Kefit, Affinity, Bardiche  (L-1)
Nobu ( 3 ): huh what, Chaore, NeoSerela, Zakeri
Kilgamayan ( 1 ): Zakeri, Bardiche, huh what
Zakeri ( 0 ): UncertainKitten
NeoSerela ( 0 ): Bardiche, Prody, UncertainKitten
Chaore ( 0 ): huh what, Nobu
Prody ( 0 ): Bardiche, Polaris, huh what
UncertainKitten ( 0 ): Chaore, Prody, Nobu, Kilgamayan
Bardiche ( 0 ): Kilgamayan
Polaris ( 0 ): Zakeri
Affinity ( 0 ): Chaore
Kefit ( 0 ): Kilgamayan

Extension: ( 6 ):  UK, huh what, Neo, Polaris, Choja, Zakeri

No vote: Choja, Polaris, Prody

43 minutes left in regulation.  1 more vote needed for extension.

Regarding modkills and conflict resolution and such, that'll have to wait for Sakana to get on and weigh in.

Hmm...Honestly, wagon analysis doesn't lead me to many strong conclusions regarding Nobu/Serela.

I'm going to say though that the early wagon behavior COULD be a counter wagon, but honestly, there weren't even enough votes for that. If it was a counterwagon, Chaore's vote is by far the most interesting.

I'm going to have to ISO Kilga and Chaore now.