Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)

[Serela]

I think arguing Sky tunnelled Shadoweh because of mind control is a little silly if you look at Shadoweh's posts in these situations...

[Raikaria]

Crazier things have happened. And not 'mind control', just knowing what Sky's buttons are.

I mean, we shouldn't sell Shadoweh short on the 'devliish plans' department.

Now if you excuse m I have some stuff to do then I'll look at CF7 again. That and let other people punch me in the face over my ~*crazy Shadoweh conspiracy theory*~

[Schezo]

Nice house.. Oh.

Raikaria (1): Shadoweh
Raitaki (1): Action Dan
CF7 (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria

Not Voting: Raitaki, CF7, PX, Zakeri, Bardiche, Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~66 Hours left.

[Bardiche]

We can resolve a 50/50 later. Also there's the chance I'm completely wrong but Bard and Zakeri do usually get targeted fairly early.

I don't usually die Night 1.

I don't even know what to of this game.

Also gotta re-read CF7 because CF7 has been really 'meh' for me most of the game.

This is how I feel by and large about the players. PX piques my interest for his sheeping of me on Dormio, then voting Sky_Paladin, and generally those two things being the only stuff he did in the later game. The extreme lurking puts his content at even less than ActionDan, and I feel pressing this venue is worthwhile: a scum powerlurk isn't unheard of, and in the masses of apathy it might otherwise be lost.

##Vote: PX

I'm still not sold on Dormio being a Town-entity, but given evidence of a lynch being hard (and general lack of interest), I'll just say that if Dan shoots someone, I don't mind him shooting Dormio.

[Shadoweh]

Serela is adorable when he's being my cheerleader. I approve of your use of your obvtowniness.
Don't feel like CF7 is scum still etc. I'm never averse to lynching PX when he's being lurky (ie being PX)
I thought you'd have said something else by now, but wow you're serious about my mind control beams huh.

[CF7]

Hm... Rawr is dead and he is cop. Awesome news. /sarcasm.
Anyway.

After the V/LA he does a post with a read on everyone... OH WAIT YEAH THAT'S LIKELY WHY THEY KILLED RAWR. I forgot he was soft-confirmed town due to the Lucifer thing ahaha.

Hm... Not sure what me giving a list of reads has to do with scum killing Rawr. Oh, you mean that, scum thought, that it was a deliberate soft-self-clear on Rawr part? Well i can understand that... Still weird reason to do that.

And then votes Sky_P because "I guess that's what we're all doing!", although he wanted to vote the other lurker PX. (which tbh is justified due to avoiding NL but it's still an excuse) Didn't exist during timestop.

The "I guess it's justified" was about voting Sky-P, and I didn't meant to imply he was bad for not pushing a PX lynch when he wanted it, I was meaning to imply the only people he talked about wanting to vote himself were people who hadn't really done anything yet. (which is different in d1)

Well i still want to lynch PX, because that level of being barely present in the game is suspicious. Scum could lurk to avoid unnecessary attention and most of the time it's effective, because people usually ignore lurker, unless someone brings attention to them.
On PX. He posts even less than Dan. His posts mainly consist of pretty much just votes with little to no reasoning and fluff.
##Vote PX

On Raikaria's "crazy conspiracy theory".
I just don't see Shadoweh actually doing that. And that is rather weird reason for actually voting her. And looks a little like scum OMGUS to me. My suspicion-o-meter is rising.

[Raikaria]

If it was OMGUS why would I deliberately want to draw attention to it and have people comment on it?

More stuff coming later. In the middle of a spring cleaning session.

[Raikaria]

Also I like how Shadoweh has completely avoided answering the question of 'why are you actually voting for me?'. Which is not made very clear in the post where she votes me.

You know, other than reaction baiting and hoping I dig a hole for myself like she may have done to Sky.

[WHMZakeri]

##vote Raitaki
we had two  kills yesterday, why?

Karia, do you have anything besides the nk thingy to help explain the 50/50 between me and bard? I don't understand it.
Shadoweh case is cute and looks sound but I'm not sure its what actually happened.
Even if she claims not to be a planner it could have just been a thing that happened  and she laughed it off.

I will be back home saturday night so I will not be able to do full reads until sunday.

[Shadoweh]

I fully admit if I were actually scum I would have laughed my ass off about it.
Weren't you there for Dan claiming a dayvig and shooting NNR, Zak? :V

[WHMZakeri]

I meant why as in why is he still alive.

[CF7]

Also I like how Shadoweh has completely avoided answering the question of 'why are you actually voting for me?'. Which is not made very clear in the post where she votes me.

You know, other than reaction baiting and hoping I dig a hole for myself like she may have done to Sky.

Well. It is somewhat possible. Still i don't believe it enough to switch my vote to her.

[Raikaria]

##vote Raitaki
we had two  kills yesterday, why?

Karia, do you have anything besides the nk thingy to help explain the 50/50 between me and bard? I don't understand it.
Shadoweh case is cute and looks sound but I'm not sure its what actually happened.
Even if she claims not to be a planner it could have just been a thing that happened  and she laughed it off.

I will be back home saturday night so I will not be able to do full reads until sunday.

No, it's not a fully serious thing anyway.

Also we had Dan's shot, Dormio's lynch, and the nightkill. I don't see the significance behind this '2nd kill'.

Brb re=reading CF7 like I said I would. Also gonna be taking a look specifically at the people who come across as really 'just there' for me, which includes PX and Raitaki.

[Raikaria]

Also why did I list Serela as unclear when Serela is clear?

[Raikaria]

Meh.  Raitaki being a pain and crumbing Miller cop or something but not stating it explicitly.  Same with raikaria.   I dislike it but shurg.  I still don't like nnrs only post so

## throw bubblie at: nnr

I re-read and this is literally the only thing that stands out.

Because an actual cop flipped, and a miller cop seems... pretty stupid to be honest, since that would mean two cops. Where did you get the impression Raitaki was crumbing Miller Cop of all things?

Also this:

Scumdoweh votes weak people for being easy and weak, and because being on popular wagons is cool. On the other hand Town Shadoweh is charismatic and sexy and all the boys want to get on that wagon with her. To be fair I could have voted Dan as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have stopped. I stopped to read his post and have determined Sky P. hates my posting style still.

Which is exactly what my case is accusing her of doing.

She literally admits it.

[Raikaria]

Also Raitaki is still unimpressive and 'meh' even after the re-read. CF7 I actually am getting slight townvibes from.

[Raikaria]

Basically my re-read:
Raitaki is still null
I don't agree with CF7 being lynched
I think Shadoweh is even scummier than before.

[CF7]

Hm... I did some reading of my own.
Bard. Hm... After reading his posts he comes off as a rather apathetic townie at times, but townie nevertheless.
Raitaiki. I actually have mixed feelings about him.
He had a great start, until this post. It comes off as rather vague. Also i tried to google said something something dragon poker and couldn't find anything relevant. Which is kind of weird. And i'm actually starting to thing that miller claim is not a fake one.

Raikaria. After reading his posts i'm leaning more and more on townie side.
This post. Hm... That last bolded part is quite an interesting point. Actually i'm almost convinced switching my vote, but i guess i'll ISO Shadoweh's post before doing that.

[Raikaria]

I click your highlighted link CF7 and it takes me no an edit post screen somehow for that post.

[Raikaria]

Also Raitaki specifiying he gets 'guilty results on everyone' is odd...

[ActionDan]

so activity from me is going to be even sparser than usual because I have a p-set and a midterm tomorrow + after I immediately take a train to philly for a chess tournament

[CF7]

I click your highlighted link CF7 and it takes me no an edit post screen somehow for that post.

Not sure how i messed up that link, but I meant your #284.

[Shadoweh]

Because an actual cop flipped, and a miller cop seems... pretty stupid to be honest, since that would mean two cops. Where did you get the impression Raitaki was crumbing Miller Cop of all things?

Which is exactly what my case is accusing her of doing.
She literally admits it.

He thought Raitaki was a cop before a cop flipped. Are you trying to paint Dan as scummy for trying to get Raitaki nightkilled? He's also voting Raitaki now so.. I'm just going to guess he doesn't think he's a miller cop anymore.

Your case is accusing me of being the root of all evil, like DA BIBOL. Right now I'm voting you because your case is bullshit. I don't regret throwing Sky P off a cliff for the same reason tbh. :>

[Raikaria]

Yes, but what was your original reason Shadoweh? Stop avoiding the question. The fact that you think my case is 'bullshit' does not explain why you voted me in the first place.

In fact using that as your justification for voting me only makes my case stronger.

[Raikaria]

To explain better, justify your vote on me as 'your case is bullshit' when you voted me before I made my case strengthens my case, because it suggests that like Sky_Paladin, you were seeking a reaction out of my that would justify your vote.

So now we have you clearly pushing Sky's buttons, you basically admitting that as scum you pick on the easy targets and do exactly what you are doing this game, and now you avoiding my question for justification of your vote on me, while also attempting to 'justify' the vote by using a case I made after you voted me, so cannot possibly be why you voted me.

[Raikaria]

To explain better, justifying your vote on me as 'your case is bullshit' when you voted me before I made my case strengthens my case, because it suggests that like Sky_Paladin, you were seeking a reaction out of me that would justify your vote.

So now we have you clearly pushing Sky's buttons, you basically admitting that as scum you pick on the easy targets and do exactly what you are doing this game, and now you avoiding my question for justification of your vote on me, while also attempting to 'justify' the vote by using a case I made after you voted me, so cannot possibly be why you voted me.

Fixed. Also I forgot to mention your tunneling on Sky for pretty much your entire time in D1.

[Raikaria]

In fact, thinking about it, I'm a nice guy. So I'm going to spell out exactly what you need to clear up that will rip my case apart.

#68 - You vote Actiondan for 'powerlurking'. OK. Fair enough, you got into the game just now.

I'm black as my soul feels every time you decided twitterposting is better then making a good post like that. If you think the case on CF7 is bad, what are you voting him for? An actual question looking for you to sell me on it b/c I'd rather vote Paladin for badreasoning.org

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin

First major issue here. What is this 'badreasoning.org'? That occurs before #73, of course. Sky_Paladin had hardly done anything so far this game.

Bonus points for the irony in italics.

So yeah, Shadoweh, how about you explain this 'badreasoning.org' that you voted Sky_Paladin for? And why you didn't vote him before voting ActionDan since he didn't even do anything at all between those posts.

I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons. Which Bardiche didn't answer. I assume this means he's still mad at me for turning on him at the last minute. I might make it up to him if he has a black black heart too.

Sky's defense boils down to oh my god, Shadoweh sucks. I look forward to him having enough time to make a terrible case against me and vote him so I can throw him off a cliff.

Oh look here, Shadoweh spells out her intentions in black and white. Sky's 'defense' amounts to a quick check-in post that he's not even finished. Not something I want Shadoweh to explain, but it makes her look bad so I'm including it.

Sky makes his drunken defense and people start voting him/suspecting him.

You really want Sky dead for this still unexplained reason don't you?

How to sneakily ask Chaore if Dragon Poker is his new favorite game now..
I would prefer if the entire game did not claim on Day 1 as well.
I'm outright ignoring a bunch of comments about my posts being shit because if I think about them too long I'll probably get very angry at you all! 8D

To be fair we probably shouldn't shoot Sky while he's at Disneyland. I get the feeling that would stop him from posting.
I don't vote people for voting my buddies though. Scumdoweh votes weak people for being easy and weak, and because being on popular wagons is cool. On the other hand Town Shadoweh is charismatic and sexy and all the boys want to get on that wagon with her. To be fair I could have voted Dan as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have stopped. I stopped to read his post and have determined Sky P. hates my posting style still.

Quoted this before, but this is the second time Shadoweh does a major scumslip. Tie that in with what Shadoweh said before.

And then we get to the second thing Shadoweh seriously has to explain:

Nooooooooo my cake!
(I was roleblocked last night. >_>)

I also woke up literally now. Considering it was way too early for cop to be outted, either Bardiche is scum again or there's scum in the Rai's. I'm guessing Raitaki is not Miller Cop, and no one felt the need to stop him or Raikaria so.... This isn't as role-heavy as I originally thought so a miller having another role might actually be weird. Rawr was more into Raikariaa though so until i8m awake enough to actually read

##Vote: Raikaria

Not that it matters.. since Dormio could just do all the votes for us again today..

Why are you voting me here? Don't give me that 'your case is bullshit' bullshit. That's not a valid reason for your initial vote. You have evaded this question not once but twice now, which makes you look really bad. Why am I worse than Bardiche or Raitaki? You've given no reason at all as to why you are voting me. Just like you gave no reason at all as to why you were voting Sky, and outright said you wanted him to make a 'terrible case against me'. Lo and behold, that seems to be what you want to happen again; especially with:

Your case is accusing me of being the root of all evil, like DA BIBOL. Right now I'm voting you because your case is bullshit. I don't regret throwing Sky P off a cliff for the same reason tbh. :>

Your latest post. No, my case is not why you initially voted me. Using that as justification for a vote before my case says you wanted this to happen. And then you say 'I'm happy I lynched Sky for the same thing by the way!'. A third time you are basically being a card carrying villian.

Seriously Shadoweh, you got some explaining to do because right now to me you're so obviously scum it's painful.

[Raikaria]

Tl;dr:

Shadoweh is voting for people she sees as weak with no reasoning [Which by her own admission is what scum Shadoweh does] to get reactions from them [Which she has said twice!], and then laughing as typical MotK town 'pushes them off a cliff' as they overreact and dig themselves into a hole. When questioned about such reasoning she outright avoids the questions.

Except the same trick isn't working twice.

[Raitaki]

Okay back, gonna read up in a mo'

Just for the record, I meant that everyone gets guilty results on me (aka being a miller), not the other way around
Also I never claimed cop

[Serela]

Raikaria I'm sorry but I really can't agree with any of your viewpoints on Shadoweh's posts :C I'm not sure whether or not I'd go as far as to call it misrep or not, it's kind of a grey area where "I guess that's not explicitly something that's not true, but I really just don't agree with the way you see it."

The one thing I agree on is that Shadoweh has basically no reason to vote you (except for maybe the recent "I think your case on me is ridiculous" but that's after-the-fact) and the only reason I didn't point it out earlier (I've been thinking about it!) is because I would rather have seen how long she would go without justifying it, instead of actually going "Give me a reason before I start thinking it may be scummy" (since she was fully aware when she posted the vote that she needed to go back and provide reason later, as stated in the post). I can get away with talking about intentions like this because I'm ~*~confirmed town~*~ so I don't need to BS opinions into previous posts that don't have them in it :D