Medaka Box Mafia - GAME OVER

[BT]

I don't understand the jist of your post #153. You're saying Bard is scum because Zak going on the NK means that the other scum used their role? Yeah, but how do we know that Zak went on the nightkill?

No no, basically, now I'm unsure, but I thought for sure scum had an extra nightkill and just neglected to use it. Meanwhile it appeared that Zak targeted SB with Oar's ability while Bard got JK'd by SB. The post you're talking about addresses an "obstacle", mainly, Bard can't be scum if he was blocked and Zak used his role and a scum nightkill connected on NNR. :V But I found a solution to both problems - why Zak neglected the extra kill and why Bard CAN be scum - that Zak was the one to take the kill. I guess my explanation was kind of backwards. It probably still is.

By the way, I'd argue that Bard shot NNR because he was being an annoying neighbor. Seriously. Like, fuck, the rawr kill wasn't any better. The defeatism in D5 I thought was a given since the game seemed pretty much settled.

It was in his first post that day even. :V

What, the 'get a read on her' thing? 3subtle5me, if that's even a crumb.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
BT (2): Shadoweh, Bardiche
Bardiche (1): BT
Conqueror (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Sky Paladin

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

You have ~49 hours remaining

[Shadoweh]

"get a read on her during the night" plus his results being inconclusive (because I targetted myself) is pretty clear imo?
The only person who said Zak used Oarfish's role is Zakeri. I don't understand why this was ever taken seriously.

[BT]

Because I took it at face value, since I saw no reason why Zak would constrict himself and risk being caught in a lie.

The reason was because, if he performed the kill, he had to claim SOMETHING and it couldn't have been a vig shot since there wasn't a kill to claim.

[Conqueror]

I'm going to go get dinner and after that I'm going to try and find some of Bardiche's scum games.

[Shadoweh]

##Unvote
Geez why can't you just be obvscum and make this easy. I supose we don't need to lynch this early and I'm starting to have doubts after this wallfest.

[Bardiche]

But I found a solution to both problems - why Zak neglected the extra kill and why Bard CAN be scum - that Zak was the one to take the kill. I guess my explanation was kind of backwards. It probably still is.

Scum extra kill that was conveniently forgotten or foregone sounds too silly to me, I can't accept it.

Are we forgetting Zak went on to say, "whoops that was a lie i actually tried to vig SkyPal N1"?

I don't even know what to "defend" against. "Didn't join CF7 wagon", well no shit. GLaDOS didn't join a DiEnd wagon. I regularly don't jump onto D1 wagons I don't believe in. This isn't Scum!Bard. This is me being me. I honestly don't know what to say to the accusation of "you're being you".

[Sky_Paladin]

Just trolololing past briefly, I've got 3 minutes. 

Town players dont say 'modkill plz', they use one of the many creative ways to modkill themselves, of which we have seen two examples in this very game.  You could also self vote I guess.  Anyway I'm not impressed by such theatrics.  Sigh gotta go. 

[Sky_Paladin]

what I mean to say is
dont give up

if you have to quit

get a replacement. YOu dont need to kill your slot.

[Sky_Paladin]

OK back for a couple hours.  Let's dance some more. 

[Sky_Paladin]

I still got lots of reading to do but day 1 reread is truly awful for Bard. 

At this stage I am voting Bard in my heart.  I will probably actually vote when I've finished my analysis. 

Key posts from day 1:
Bardiche "Ascetics roleclaiming is null as far as I care."
Bardiche I read this post as 'attempt to derail CF7 train'. 
Zak Scum request for vig of BT. 
Conqueror legit vote on Zak, no reason to counterwagon a scum buddy.  supports his vote. 
Bardiche not voting Zakeri when he really should have. 
Bardiche over reacting. 
Bardiche conspiciously avoiding CF7 and Zakeri, tunneling on Serela in spite of shenanigans. 
Bardiche still no analysis of CF7, failed to follow up on great points on Zak. 
Conqueror accidentally crumbing Dreaming God lol.

I see a lot of town clear posts from Conqueror, and a lot of scummy posts from Bard.  More to come. 

[Bardiche]

Lol @ Sky Pal saying "townies get themselves modkilled instead of requesting it". Sorry, I'm not making Dormio's life (especially) hard, so I'm not Town?

The Day 1 reread is filled with nonsense. I'm going to assume the wall of report actually means "I think this is scummy":
There's nothing wrong with reading an RVS ascetic claim as being null, as that's what it is. Immediately claiming Miller and/or Ascetic isn't indicative of alignment.
Page 4 does not a wagon make. I don't think anyone on the wagon at that time thought CF7 was seriously going to be the lynch of the day, and claiming I was attempting to "derail" the train takes out of context the timing. That's just slandering me for making a case at the end of RVS, and it's a terrible argument.
Whether I "should have" voted Zakeri or not is a nonsense argument again. I made clear what I thought was bad about Serela. Prodvoting Zakeri wasn't needed at that stage.
There's nothing scummy about being annoyed people can't be civil about having made a case on them. Brushing people's feelings aside as "theatrics" may be OK in your book, I think it's very unsympathetic.
"Conspicuously avoiding" is also a nonsense argument as I had made my feelings about CF7 abundantly clear and needed not rehash CF7's actions. It's not a tunnel when you're actively looking at other people as well and considering whether or not they are scum.

In fact, tunnelling in a Mafia game doesn't mean what you think it does:

Tunneling is the act of focusing solely on one person to lynch, generally while ignoring the other players.

"While ignoring the other players" isn't a condition that's satisfied and continuous attempts to paint in negative light that I pushed hard for Serela is getting rather annoying. It'd be less annoying if it was scummy to do so but I think you guys are just severely exaggerating what happened because you're misguided on what "tunnelling" means. I've pointed out multiple times that I had clear opinions on others and paid attention to stuff outside Serela. I admit I prioritised Serela as I genuinely believed he was Scum, but having priorities doesn't mean you're tunnelling and ignoring everything else in the game.

This is entirely a playstyle argument.

[Sky_Paladin]

I appreciate what you did before, Conqueror, but it wasn't quite as in depth as I had hoped. 

1) Conqueror - Dreaming God etc
2) Serela - ??, vote blocker, modkilled day 5
3) Sky Paladin - Myouri Unzen, vanilla town/bonus vigilante
4) Dr Rawr - Medaka Kurokami, Little Princess(Abnormal Backup) was forcibly removed from the game Night 1!
5) Zakeri - Youka Naze, Black-White(Minus Backup) was evicted from the game Day 4!
6) NekoNekoRex - Hitomi Hitoyoshi, MILF(Neighbour) was forcibly removed from the game Night 3!
7) Shadoweh - Mogana Kikaijima, the Swimming Miser, Watcher.
) Sacchi Hikaru - Hansode Shiranui, Food Enthusiast(Motivator)
9) ActionDan - Kiruko Tachiarai, Sleeping Lazy(Lethargy)
10) CF7 - Mukae Emukae, Rainbow Rose Transfer Student(Jack of all Kills) was evicted from the game Day 1!
11) SB - Misogi Kumagawa, Defective Product(Falsifier) was forcibly removed from the game Night 4!
12) BT - Tokemichi Choujabaru, Abnormal action immune.
13) Bardiche - Zenkichi Hitoyoshi, Town Neighbour, and Town Conditional Tracker
14) O4rfish - Gagamaru Chougasaki, Unexpected Accident(Action Reflector), modkilled day 2

Claims and actions in chronological order (the order they were stated)
Day 1
BT claims Ascetic. 
Conqueror claims Hated. 
Serela claims Voteblocker. 
Serela uses Voteblocker (confirmed fail on BT). 
Day 2
Sky claims Vanilla. 
BT flavor claims Tokemichi Choujabaru, The Judge.
Oarfish claims Mimic action from self to other. 
SB claims Governor. 
Day 3/skip
Day 4
Conqueror claims Dreamer. 
ActionDan claims 'present receiver'.
Serela voteblock SB (confirmed). 
Shadoweh: States she knows Hikaru's role. 
Bardiche claims neighbour. 
ActionDan claims Lethargy. 
Zak claims Minus Backup: Claims copied actions targeting SB on night 3 and send to SB. 
SB claims jailed Sky n1, Bard n3. 
BT claims Abnormal.
Hikaru claims Motivator.
Zak claims shoot Sky n1 (which is plausible and actually explains why he 'didnt' shoot).
Day 5
Bardiche claims Zenkichi Hitoyoshi, Town Neighbour, and Town Conditional Tracker.
Day 6
Shadoweh claims target self n1, target self n3, target bard n4, target self n5
Bard claims target Shadoweh n1, target Sky/roleblocked n3, unavailable action n4, target Dan n5
BT claims action immune

***

Night 1
Oarfish: mimics to Serela. 
Conqueror: Blank
SB:  Jail Sky. 
Zak:  Hit Sky (janitor hit imo). 
Bard targets Shadoweh
Shadoweh targets self
Hikaru targets Shadoweh

Night 2
Conqueror:  Skip next day phase. 

Night 3
SB Jail Bard
Bard track blocked omitted stating who he attempted to track until pressured, claims attempt on Sky N3. 
Hikaru targets Shadoweh
Shadoweh target self

Night 4
Bard track unavailable for *reasons*
Shadoweh watches Bard

Night 5
Sky vig Dan
Shadoweh watches self
Bard track Dan

To do:
Best of three because we have two lynches left
BT picks Bard and Shadoweh
Sky picks Bard and Conq

Conq hated - must lynch today?

Odd posts while reading
Bardiche "Ascetics roleclaiming is null as far as I care."
Bardiche I read this post as 'attempt to derail CF7 train'. 
Zak Scum request for vig of BT. 
Conqueror legit vote on Zak, no reason to counterwagon a scum buddy.  supports his vote. 
Bardiche not voting Zakeri when he really should have. 
Bardiche over reacting. 
Bardiche conspiciously avoiding CF7 and Zakeri, tunneling on Serela in spite of shenanigans. 
Bardiche still no analysis of CF7, failed to follow up on great points on Zak.  Arguing between Kingault and Serela (both town). 
Conqueror accidentally crumbing Dreaming God lol.
Conqueror choosing and backing up decision to lynch CF7 over Serela. 
Day 2 was much better for Bard.
Bardiche unnecessarily defending Sky.  I mean, all of Bard's day 2 posts are super town.  Starts with ignoring the Sky/SB bus and goes for King.  Keeps his vote on King/Oarfish as the slot progressively descents into madness.  Except that day 1 - tunnel Serela.  Day 2 - tunnel Oarfish. 

Day 4
This weird exchange where it looked like Bard was about to push for a Sky neighbourclaim lynch. 

This very confusing exchange starts with Bard's response to Shadoweh's role's list:
Bardiche: "Also, Shadoweh: Unless you think Sacchi or Zakeri is a roleblocker, there's at least one lie in that list."  First mention of possible roleblock existence. 
SB gives away that he knows a role block happened but it was not necessarily scum. 
BT legitimately confused.  Shows that Bard/BT not on the same team, useful how..?
Shadoweh attributes the roleblock to Zak...why?   I went back and read these pages so many times and never saw it.  It would be a scumslip and lynch if Zak had flipped with a roleblock though because we know it was SB, it's just strange. 
Shadoweh going on.  Like I really don't get it.  At what point did we know that Bard or NNR had been roleblocked?  I must have missed it, because, I don't see how Shadoweh knew that the neighbour topic was knocked out.  I'm trying to write the sequence of claims and I keep clutching nothing.  Bard didn't say anything about being blocked. 
Bardiche overreacting to pressure.  Claims Zenkichi Hitoyoshi, Town Neighbour, and Town Conditional Tracker.  (I just thought it odd that he felt obliged to put Town in there twice.  Nobody else claimed xyz town). 

***

Ok I think I'll go with this. 

Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.I later decided she was definitely Town due to my result on account of not having targeted anyone, not including herself.

Bard claims n1 target Shadoweh, N2 skipped, N3 roleblocked, n4 unavailable due to *reasons*.  But

My role condition prevented the other use(s)

It's ONE MISSING USE.  You couldn't use it N4 if your story is true.  Then you used it again N5 to track Dan.  You should at least know how many times you couldn't use your ability. 

It's one v one because Shadoweh targeted herself night 1, which is how she could verify Hikaru.  Also, please note the wording Bard used:  "Did not commit the kill."  It's not the same as "Did not do any actions." 

On day 6, Bard said:
"Again, my Track result on N1 indicated Shadoweh did not target anyone outside of herself."
So, that's a changed night result. 

Here we establish from Shadoweh that Bard definitely did target her night 1, so why didn't Bard report it?

So from this, I'm pretty confident Bard is the last scum.  But it's rocking 2 am so I'll let you guys look over it and I'll read again in the morning. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Best of three because we have two lynches left

So this point is; treating today as LYLO is not entirely correct because we have two shots left.  Yes cut by Bard Im tired. 

I figure if we can't come to a clean decision, we can each put forward our two scum picks.  Then we lynch the one that comes up most often today, then we lynch the next most common.  We get 2 chances out of 3 imo. 

Conq hated - must lynch today?

Does hated work in LYLO?   If so then town!Conq means auto game over on day 7.  If so, we have to probably consider that we must lynch Conqueror if we can't clearly decide on the last scum. 

I mean does hated *generally* work in LYLO.  Scum/town Conq both have to say that they are not hated in LYLO. 

[Sky_Paladin]

My actions list is incomplete because I'm so tired I missed a bunch of stuff I think. 

I just want to know if Bard claimed tracker that watched Shadoweh came before Shadoweh saying she watched herself night 1.  I can't see it. 

I hate doing mafia after midnight but it's the only chance I get buu.

[Sky_Paladin]

OH right. 

"not including herself"

I realise the comma confused me. 

Bard said, "I later decided she was definitely Town due to my result on account of not having targeted anyone, not including herself."

I read 'not including herself' as 'did not target others, did not target self'.  But you meant 'did not target anybody except self'.  Sigh.

Well that notwithstanding

How do you screw up knowing how many times you used your ability?
How do you not tell us in advance if you can/cannot track that phase, or at least crumb?

I think you're being irresponsible and your attitude of pressure = explode looks a lot like Dormio in justice juice mafia, when his defence was literally to swear at players until they unvoted. 

I'm too exhausted.  See you tomorrow. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Sky feels
Shadoweh - town 90%
Bard - scummy
BT - town 80%
Conq - town 80%

I can't pick between BT and Conq easily.  Rereading the entire game, I get a great feeling from Conq's posts.  BT makes me frown because he mostly wanted to kill me for the first part of the game but his arguments are solid and both Conq and BT do engage in battle of wills, whereas Bard for the most part only went to battle with Serela and Oarfish.  I feel like Bards' interactions are less common and less meaningful. 

I'd lynch Bard but if we're wrong I'm honestly not sure between Conq and BT. 

[Bardiche]

I spent some time going through previous games because I have this discussion a lot.

If you notice, Conq has the same comment about my "one-track pursuit" in Mirai Nikki Mafia, and I was Town that game. Everyone also accused me of tunnelling as GLaDOS on Day 1. And I was Town that game.

I regularly don't like popular wagons, and Dormio flipped Scum that game. And I flipped Town. This happens more often, too. The fact that I am stubborn cannot be denied, and I tend to believe in my own reasoning a lot more than that of others, for good or for worse.

"Bard, you avoided CF7," and damn right I did, because gut and my reasoning did not let me think CF7 was the Scum We're All Looking For. I get you guys want to insist me thinking lowly of CF7 indicates I'm Scum, but the fact of the matter is that I hold Scum to a higher standard, and CF7 did not meet that standard.

BT says at the end I'm tunnelling him, and again, I flip Town that game.

When the opposite happened once, I flipped Scum.

Honestly, whether or not I tunnel on someone isn't that indicative of alignment. The above is all WIFOM by now since I cite biased examples (and I'm half-expecting someone to jump in and call this post scummy but whatever), but the point I mean to make is that every time people accuse me of tunnelling, and more often than not I flip Town when I flip. Contrarily, whenever I do spread my sights wide, that's still no guarantee I won't flip Scum. There's very little I can say about "Bard tunnelled Serela, omg scummy" when I think the past can establish that I enjoy prioritising my time on whoever I think is scummiest rather than spending it on a lot of people, as I like direction more than wishywashy "I think all these people are scummy :V"

[Shadoweh]

Sky, what the fuck are you talking about.
Bard claimed to have tracked me night 1. I claim to have seen him night 1. This is called 'confirming each other's actions'. Why are you so bad at understanding role actions ;_;

[Shadoweh]

Also Conq already stated that he doesn't have Hated in LYLO. >:T
I'm going to work and hopefully not passing out immediately on getting home so etc

[Bardiche]

This is me being tongue-in-cheek over your use of language. And consider my point of view: If you're someone's neighbour and there may be any kind of counter-claim to that uuuh, of course you'd want that person dead? Scum hijacking QTs isn't new.

It's ONE MISSING USE.  You couldn't use it N4 if your story is true.  Then you used it again N5 to track Dan.  You should at least know how many times you couldn't use your ability. 

In case it wasn't obvious: I don't want to specify how many use(s) I have of anything, or if I am limited to a set amount of uses, or anything, BECAUSE I AM NOT ALLOWED TO EXPLAIN MY CONDITION. What exactly is so scummy about that? You are suggesting here that Scum!Bard cooked up a fake Tracker claim really early in the game, but then would just forget his fakeclaim/have it incomplete? Bro, when I fakeclaim, I ensure I've got it all down pat. I don't do things in halves.

How do you not tell us in advance if you can/cannot track that phase, or at least crumb?

Because Scum don't need to know, and Town only needs to know what my results are. Isn't that obvious? Why the hell would I want to tell Scum, "Hey guys, you can do whatever tonight, it's totally cool; I can't use my ability"? What benefit does Town have from knowing whether or not I can Track? It doesn't do anything for you. "But Bard," I hear you say. "We can verify the truth of your words!" Given how inattentive most people are I'm amazed no one can think of what the condition is.

[BT]

Uh, Conq claimed his hated status disappears in *YLO. He'd have no reason to lie about that as town.

I'm not sure what you're trying to catch Bard on but it's probably the wrong approach. Shadoweh saw Bard target her on N1. Whether he's a tracker or a rolecop or whatever, it doesn't really matter, but he learned that she targeted herself then.

I started reading the thread again about an hour ago but I stopped almost immediately. I have strong town reads on everyone except Bard, who I think is scum. Shadoweh's CF7 campaign, interactions with Zak and overall play are just town, SkyPal is a confirmed situational vig which seems to fit the setup well and seems overwhelmingly genuine with some of the things he's saying, Conq is... complicated, I could be wrong but I really don't think so. What I did manage to read of the thread just reinforces that -

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

Rolefishing.

/shrug
I just asked a question.

@Kingault: Were you trying to achieve anything specifically with your self-vote? Just wondering, as SB already did it before you.

Also, Conq here does the same thing, let's all vote him for it.

@Zak.
Both questions are implying some self-profit from self-voting. And both are questioning reasons for self-voting. Somehow mine is scummy and Conq's is not.

++Conq - CF7 trying to excuse his actions by highlighting someone else's, not very likely to come from a weak scum player to a buddy.

Kind kind of want to ask Conq if he's is permanently hated or not. But then again that is rolefishing and that's bad, as you said it. So i won't. But he's very likely town, if his claim is true, because hated doesn't really make sense as scum role. On other hand it's not provable  unless we lynch him.

++Conq - Trying to be protown by sharing a role-based conclusion that he knows is true. Even tacks on a waffle and way out at the end, in case Conq needed the lynch boot in the future.

What would be a townie way for him to handle the pressure?

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

++Conq - Calling out a buddy for his bad bus is lol. Conq was trying to steer clear of CF7 in the very same post so it'd be kind of jarring if he used that fact to vote the other buddy instead.

(this is up to around the middle of day 1)

So I'm pretty happy with my vote. I swear I will make an organized case eventually.

[Bardiche]

I think the frustrating part is where everyone complains that my results have been completely useless, but the only reason everyone can assume Shadoweh is telling the truth is because I Tracked her targeting herself, and Shadoweh claims having Watched herself. My result confirms Shadoweh is speaking the truth.

Honestly, what do you think? Scum Team is JACK OF ALL TRADES, AMAZING BACKUP and "Lol Bard, you get Track which is useful on SB and Sacchi and no one outside of that lol, also you get paired with a neighbour :3"? That doesn't make any sense.

I think the complaint about me "overreacting = scummy" is stupid. The last time I was in this situation I had to fight tooth and nail to get people to drop their confirmation bias and lynch the Scum Dormio. I spent a lot of hours and effort in it, and the end result is that everyone praised Dormio and said Town had deserved to lose. I put in all that effort to be told I deserved to lose. Serela literally said, "You got lucky," after I had spent the better part of two hours combing over every bit of Dormio's posts for something that could convince Town I wasn't Scum and that he, in fact, was. That's not luck. That's putting in effort and refusing to lose.

So yes, I get de-motivated when it feels like I need to do everything all over again, and further when the last time I put so much effort into ensuring the Town win, everyone trampled all over it and felt that we hadn't deserved that victory. I deserved that goddamn victory.

[BT]

I don't even know what to "defend" against. "Didn't join CF7 wagon", well no shit. GLaDOS didn't join a DiEnd wagon. I regularly don't jump onto D1 wagons I don't believe in. This isn't Scum!Bard. This is me being me. I honestly don't know what to say to the accusation of "you're being you".

If you really want to make that comparison, GLaDOS didn't even say anything about DiEnd, because they legitimately didn't care. That's not like the gut/impression you're claiming you got from CF7 which I'm calling out as fake.

"Bard, you avoided CF7," and damn right I did, because gut and my reasoning did not let me think CF7 was the Scum We're All Looking For. I get you guys want to insist me thinking lowly of CF7 indicates I'm Scum, but the fact of the matter is that I hold Scum to a higher standard, and CF7 did not meet that standard.

Kingault did? I don't buy the "I was wrong about CF7, I guess I need to reverse the way I think" argument you pulled when you voted King because that's not how mafia players play, that's opportunism. You still have your own way of scumhunting and Kingault was derping around, claiming out in the open that he doesn't care to be lynched and doesn't care at all. What impression did you get from CF7 but not from King? Fool me once fool me twice.

Honestly, what do you think? Scum Team is JACK OF ALL TRADES, AMAZING BACKUP and "Lol Bard, you get Track which is useful on SB and Sacchi and no one outside of that lol, also you get paired with a neighbour :3"? That doesn't make any sense.

Jack of all colorful kills, you mean. Mafia would have no information role. I'd think they'd at least have something more than "special kills" and "backup".

[Conqueror]

Meta hunt was useless because Bard apparently hasn't been scum in forever. Did find a town game on SF where he got pissed off and requested modkill though, so there's that.

[Conqueror]

The problem is that I just find a lot of Bard's posts right now genuine. A lot of it could be genuine frustration from either alignment, I suppose.

Bard, I think the role argument is that you'd either be a scum tracker or a scum rolecop (since you'd be able to guess that Shadoweh self-targetted from that result).

I'm mulling over the role argument in my head whether it makes sense for BT to be a full town untargetable that rawr would inherit on death. Actually, rawr wouldn't even be able to inherit it, since untargetable means he'd be sticking around forever.

[Conqueror]

@Bard, BT: Answer, in your own words, why you think I'm town. I mean, I know I'm town, but I figure you two would be looking more my way in a LYLO situation instead of completely locking onto each other. It makes me nervous.

What I like about BT's LYLO play here: he's jumping around a lot, taking in new information, making conclusions from that. He sounds as confused as the rest of us. Bard, this is what I find off about your LYLO play here. You basically decided on BT scum from the start of LYLO and have stuck with it since then. I mean, that's fine if you're right, but today was the first day you started looking at possible BT!scum.

[Conqueror]

Oh, right. One thing I wanted to ask Bard.

Bard, I know you said that Shadoweh was a hard read for you, but why her instead of so many other people given her position on the D1 CF7 wagon?

[BT]

The problem is that I just find a lot of Bard's posts right now genuine. A lot of it could be genuine frustration from either alignment, I suppose.

I have this problem too (I'm not actually 120% sure about this - only 110%) but I don't think we're talking about the same posts. The latest posts were pretty much what I expected from Scum Bard. They all give the impression that he's mostly interested in defense ever since he settled his reads.

I'm mulling over the role argument in my head whether it makes sense for BT to be a full town untargetable that rawr would inherit on death. Actually, rawr wouldn't even be able to inherit it, since untargetable means he'd be sticking around forever.

-Lynch
-Strongman

I actually forgot about the easy option (lynch) when I was talking about the purpose of Dan's role earlier.

@Bard, BT: Answer, in your own words, why you think I'm town. I mean, I know I'm town, but I figure you two would be looking more my way in a LYLO situation instead of completely locking onto each other. It makes me nervous.

Problem: I don't remember.

I mean, it's a role based on a bunch of instances during the game where I went "yeah, Conq is probably town" for varying reasons, and I forgot those reasons over time. I could probably remember if I went over all of your posts. I could do that. I think one of the reasons had something to do with the way you handled discussion.

[BT]

a read*, not a role