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Conqueror

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2014, 07:29:39 PM »
No one hammer. BT, did you ever fullclaim?

BT's flail posting right now just really seems similar to what I was doing earlier in the day.

I think the point on BT not making a case in the span of 3 hours is a bit silly. Sometimes I stay away from posting in mafia all day because either I don't have the time to fully commit to a full case or I just don't feel like posting in mafia. The rest of the case contains points I've been musing over and I'm still thinking about them.

As for why I find CF7 not claiming to be weird: I tend to assume a minimum competence for scum play. Clearly I was wrong.

Reasons why I found Bard town on play will be coming once I reread Bard.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #151 on: March 20, 2014, 07:36:13 PM »
I'd also kinda expect scum!BT to be pushing full force for my lynch right now.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #152 on: March 20, 2014, 08:03:14 PM »
Votecount
BT (2): Shadoweh, Bardiche
Conqueror (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Sky Paladin, BT

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

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« Last Edit: March 20, 2014, 08:13:22 PM by Definitely Not Dormio »

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #153 on: March 20, 2014, 08:11:37 PM »
I was going to make a post saying I'm still considering my course of action but I just realized something, so I'll be placing my vote now.

##Vote Bardiche

I wanted to do a full unbiased reread of the thread and compile full summaries of everyone's play instead of focusing on Bard, but that's mostly because there was a pretty big obstacle in the way - yeah, the Ninja Kill is still there, but I figure it's there both for the optional watcher and the optional backup tracker via rawr. No, what bothered me was SB's action to JK Bard on N3, since there was no reason for Zak to claim to have used Oar's role on SB if it didn't actually happen, meaning the last scum took the NK and succeeded, killing NNR.

Except there WAS a reason.

Zak was going to claim a backup role with access to both CF7's and Oar's action, except he was doing the NK so no such action was performed. His only available excuse when it came his time to claim was that he used Oar's action, because the other option was using CF7's action, though he chose neither because he was doing the NK.

The question is - why take the NK when you could just use the extra kill while the other scum uses the NK? I'm... not sure. I'm really not sure. But it at least doesn't seem as bizarre as I thought. I'm confident enough in my reads to overlook it. ACTUALLY, thinking about it more, I'm confident enough that this DID, IN FACT, happen, since why else would Zak use Oar's role over the extra nightkill? They wanted the other scum to use their action, for whatever reason.

CUT: you missed Bard's vote.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #154 on: March 20, 2014, 08:13:39 PM »
CUT: you missed Bard's vote.
You can't prove that.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #155 on: March 20, 2014, 08:17:30 PM »
No one hammer. BT, did you ever fullclaim?
I claimed Tokemichi Choujabaru, The Judge. I claimed to be "an ascetic". I'm going to say it now - I would have probably said "Ascetic" in my second post in the game or "The Judge(Ascetic)" when I fullclaimed earlier, but there's more to it than that. I'm still mulling over whether I should reveal it or not. I'll reach a decision by the end of the day.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #156 on: March 20, 2014, 08:56:18 PM »
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The question is - why take the NK when you could just use the extra kill while the other scum uses the NK?

What extra kill? Did I miss something?

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #157 on: March 20, 2014, 09:01:17 PM »
...The one that was mentioned in the thread a couple times, the one CF7 kill that had no added affect. I'm going to zoom through your posts to see if you seriously missed it. >_>

Or maybe you missed it as scum and THAT'S why N3 happened. But that's ridiculous since it implies the entire team didn't think to clarify their own roles so let's say no.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #158 on: March 20, 2014, 09:02:38 PM »
So what you're saying is, SB, that you asked Dormio if one of the kill abilities in CF7's flip indicated that Scum had an extra kill? And Dormio confirmed this to be true?
I asked him what the second ability was and he said it was a vig shot, or something like that. idr the exact conversation.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #159 on: March 20, 2014, 09:03:47 PM »
I asked Dormio about that while you were busy slamming me for "minutae", and he said "maybe".

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<REDACTED> (General): <REDACTED>
Remodeling (Abnormality): Your abnormality allows you to remodel others, or even yourself, to gain new abilities or enhance existing ones. Lately the introduction of all these minuses have caused you to remodel yourself so that you possess one yourself, but you certainly wouldn't mind having more. Every time a player with a minus is killed, you will experiment on their corpse until you figure out how their minus works so that you can take it for yourself.
Ice Fire (Minus): Ice Fire is the first minus you've gained by remodelling yourself. During the night, you may use your control over ice and fire to kill a player of your choice. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities. <REDACTED>

This is Zak's flip. Are you going to say Zak also had an additional night kill in his role PM.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #160 on: March 20, 2014, 09:07:59 PM »
Zak absorbed CF7's ability to make colorful kills. We were talking about the absurdity of scum not using the extra kill on N3. I'm pretty sure you were one of the people who said scum had some retarded plays in this game.

I'm not slamming you just for minutae because I'm not done slamming you just yet. In fact, have a quote wall I was going to post before this distraction:

Zak interactions are few. At least from Zak's side, which I'm focusing on.
Bad practice. You're missing out on a lot of implausible scumbuddy interactions by looking at less than 10% of them.

Zak with BT is the case on BT during Day 2. This comes after Zak's admission that he has a hard time pushing people as Scum due to not bothering to find out alignments much. The interesting part is that Zak in his next post drops the case, citing his reads on BT being somewhat reversed. "Reversed enough" not to be a priority. He has this case he is perfectly willing to drop without expounding much on the why.
I gave him the equivalent of a boot to the face with my response to the case and he proceeded to bugger off. What does this tell us except I felt like grilling my supposed scumbuddy and undermining their only serious case?

And that's it. His connections to Conq are lacklustre (explaining scum playstyle a bit and other pleasantries), and his connections to Shadoweh and Sky Paladin are non-existent.
Shadoweh's connections to Zakeri, Conq's connections to Zakeri, SpyPal's connections to Zakeri and my connections to Zakeri, on the other hand, sure do exist.

A case of Bard!Scum on roles alone is absurd. How am I supposed to defend from speculation about my role and the setup? A case of Bard!Scum based on play assumes I neglected to bus CF7 on Day 1 and instead stuck out my neck by not jumping on the easy case, and that on Day 2 I went hard against my neighbour and argued with him for the sake of saving a Townie when I could've as well latched on.
The other version: you try pushing substandard Serela in hopes that it'll take off in place of the CF7 wagon which will wither and roll over due to lack of content. Didn't happen, shoot, what'cha gonna do. You didn't stick out your neck that much - you just gave the occasional "CF7's probably still a newbie wagon, it's easy, the wagon's bad" line without addressing CF7 or the people on the wagon while clamping on Serela like nothing else was nearly as important. A case on Scum Bard sure does have this in it.

Yeah, you defended SkyPal, so? What's the groudbreaking news there?

And I stand by that I didn't think of CF7 as true blue Scum because the way he behaved was so stupidly retarded it just made no sense.
You know who else behaved stupidly retarded? Kingault. Didn't stop you from grilling him while passing CF7 over some simple ED1 post. Stupid and retarded does not a mafioso make, anyway.

So there's Scum!BT. The rolefish here is something that's catching my eye now on a reverse ISO. I think it's significant, because a lone Scum in the current situation'd need as much info as he can. That Sacchi died on the following Night is significant, because it shows Scum was genuinely worried about the motivator. I postulate that Scum!BT was worried about the motivator powers, and since he's claimed Ascetic would be ineligible to ever receive one.
You don't even bother seeing this thought process through to the end. Let's say I'm scum and I was concerned. What did I gain from knowing that it's temporary and not permanent? That only makes it less of an issue. The role query isn't actually significant to any of this and you're forcing meaning into it even though I plainly said it was out of curiosity. Townies get curious too. I'm sure it's in my meta somewhere.

The significance I want to point out here is that between 5 PM and 8:25 PM, there was a lot of time for BT to have written a case. He chooses not to, but hangs around for an hour posting short posts without building a case of anything. Three hours later, he votes Serela instead. If BT is Town-aligned, then why did he not spend a moment of that time trying to point Town in the direction of Scum through arguments and such? My answer: BT isn't Town, and he didn't particularly care a lot who gets lynched. But he couldn't justify staying on a claimed Tracker.
Oh man.

Dude did not play optimally.

The answer:

Not Town.

I "stayed on the claimed tracker" earlier than that too and I would have stayed on the claimed tracker it if I wasn't parcitipating in the discussion and thinking things through, but I guess that's not important. It's kind of a detriment to how you're trying to paint me, after all.

In fact I hardly see BT mentioning Serela anywhere in the thread and I'm on Day 2 already. His vote on Serela seemed very laissez-faire and #YOLOFUCKIT #shotsfired #forthewin, so my suspicions are heavily on BT right now.
This has never happened to BT ever, or any other player for that matter. Sheeping is the devil.

Another point of interest: The quicklynch of SkyPal. The content being so "scum-motivated" is an interesting point in the face of BT clearing SkyPal later. In this post he even backpedals a bit from "up for quicklynch, content scum-motivated" to "I was afraid he was Town"; how does this work, suggesting quicklynches on people you're considering may be Town?
You're actually taking things out of chronological order. I thought his play was scummy but I was still doubtful. Then came the walls which I was convinced were too misguided to be town at the time, painting people scummy and flinging accusations left and right, reminiscent of Scum SkyPal, expert bullshitter. Then came the VT claim and I came to the conclusion that the whiteknights in the thread - you're in there - might be right.

How about instead of gaming the setup you play the game and look over my case on BT, consider its points, and/or make a case on someone else instead?
2/3 done. Analysis time.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #161 on: March 20, 2014, 09:14:15 PM »
Let's look at the more sane way of reading flips:

Zak flipped with a power that allows him to kill.
CF7 flipped with four powers that allowed him to kill.
The wording on both is "you may use this power on a player to kill them". CF7's ability only has an extra "you regain use of this ability after you've used all other ones", but all his kill powers do.
CONCLUSION: The Scum Nightkill isn't a factional ability but a power each of the Scum have that they can use. Since both scum PMs include: "you may not use this in conjunction with other abilities", we can therefore safely assume that Scum CANNOT kill and use a power role in the same night.
ADDENDUM CONCLUSION: Both kill abilities are incredibly similarly worded. There is no reason to assume one is an additional night kill and the other is not, aside from arbitrariness.



Cut by BT being passive aggressive. "Oh no, Bard made a case on me, TIME TO BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE". I swear, MOTK people just can't handle playing Mafia.

Requesting modkill, I'm out of this shit.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #162 on: March 20, 2014, 09:18:57 PM »
Stop being dumb. It's not like people don't occasionally get passive aggressive in mafia. If it makes you feel any better, I'm not happy about it. This game doesn't need another modkill, seriously.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #163 on: March 20, 2014, 09:20:38 PM »
In fact, the post isn't even that bad.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #164 on: March 20, 2014, 09:23:59 PM »
I'm not playing Mafia so you people can go throw hissy fits any time I vote people. I want to play a game of Mafia, not deal with passive-aggressive bullshit any time I do. I think it's a shitty attitude to take being voted as some personal attack that warrants passive-aggressive nonsense, and I'm having none of it. I'd rather lose and exit, and you can deal with another Day phase of this crap on your own.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #165 on: March 20, 2014, 09:27:17 PM »
My god. Both of you step away from the thread for a little while. Bard, stay in the game.

I have no idea what this argument about the extra nightkills is going on about. We can assume SB was telling the truth about one of CF7's abilities giving an extra nightkill, although I'll ask Dormio just to be sure.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #166 on: March 20, 2014, 09:29:12 PM »
This entire role business feels too sloppy to come from a scum Bard. And both of you tone it down a bit.

I'm going to go reread Shadoweh again. Not watching SB on the night THE JAILKEEPER DIED just feels all around unlikely to me. I mean god, SB was basically a fullcop at that stage.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #167 on: March 20, 2014, 09:32:59 PM »
@mod
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Your minus, Raff-Rafflesia Twisted Version Type「Bondage」, allows you to defile the very earth and shape it to your liking. During the night you may use this minus to trap a player of your choice and kill them. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities. You will regain the use of this ability once if you have used every ability at your disposal.
Does this ability do anything other than the ability to kill a player of the person's choice? Would it be possible for this ability to be used alongside a kill from another mafia team member?


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2014, 09:37:53 PM »
I had assumed that Zak's kill ability that flipped in his role pm was part of his original pm, although it's possible that his role pm changed to include it after CF7 died.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 5
« Reply #169 on: March 20, 2014, 09:40:09 PM »
Bard or Serela are really the prime suspects imo. I don't even suspect Dan anymore because his hanging around comments were all 'lynch Zak plz'
Curious, why did you think Bard was a prime suspect yesterday? The posts before that pretty much showed that you thought Bard was town.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #170 on: March 20, 2014, 10:27:27 PM »
@mod Does this ability do anything other than the ability to kill a player of the person's choice? Would it be possible for this ability to be used alongside a kill from another mafia team member?
If it did anything other than killing the target of the player's choice, it would be stated explicitly in the description.
Maybe.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #171 on: March 20, 2014, 10:44:05 PM »
Bard, considering the part where you got mad at Serela for taking your attacks on him as personal attacks, please don't be hypocritical and take someone who thinks you're scum/is scum trying to lynch you as someone personally attacking you.

I just got in the door going to read BT flail etc


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #172 on: March 20, 2014, 11:12:17 PM »
Zak claimed to do alot of things. If we're going with the idea that Bardiche was scum with Zakeri, it would mean Zak performed his vig shot on NNR and Bardiche was blocked on the kill, on N3. This would imply that somehow Zak decided not to use an extra kill on Night 1 and the scum team thought rolecopping/tracking me was more important then sweet double murders. We still have no guarentee it's an extra kill at all though. I rather suspect Zakeri was just the one going on the kills. One would think he would pick better targets with the nightkill powers he had at his disposal, considering if not the extra, it means he used the ninja/strongarm.

Conq: I thought Serela was pretty damn town too and I was still considering supporting a wagon on him yesterDay. I'm p sure I said we should lynch between them even. And screw you for trying to frame not picking someone you have no guarentee is actually town and who isn't a cop as the 100% only target considering I had night-action proof that Bard was likely an investigative role.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #173 on: March 20, 2014, 11:15:46 PM »
Conq: I thought Serela was pretty damn town too and I was still considering supporting a wagon on him yesterDay. I'm p sure I said we should lynch between them even. And screw you for trying to frame not picking someone you have no guarentee is actually town and who isn't a cop as the 100% only target considering I had night-action proof that Bard was likely an investigative role.
I just think it's weird. I can't help this, this game is confusing and I've had varying town reads on everyone here right now throughout the game.
Reading back though I can't find anything actually wrong with Shadoweh's play. There's a bit of a drop off after the D1 scum lynch but that would be expected from Shadoweh!town in that position. Her D1 reaction to me trying to wagon her still feels genuine. And there's the resistance to the Sky wagon on D2. It could be a repeat of Chaore white knighting Bob in Shadoweh's functional vanilla game but she hasn't gone back on it.

BT, you should probably fullclaim.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #174 on: March 20, 2014, 11:16:06 PM »
Bard holy crap man.  People make cases on each other all the time, some of them for great reasons, some of them for wrong reasons.  Go back and read day 2 where I had to endure NNR's bad case and then being mod counter claimed.  I mean I wasn't even claiming against you today, I was just putting some thoughts in the thread because I'm busy for a big chunk of this phase and I just want to put anything out that helps people to think. 

Nobody reported anything about what was done, guys...

Shadoweh, you checked yourself n1 yeah?  You saw Hikaru and Bard.  Night 2 skipped. Night 3?  Night 4?  Night 5?
SB jailed Sky n1, Bard n3, ??? night 4
Bard tracked Shadoweh n1, n2 skip, n3 ???, n4 ???, n5 Dan why. 

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Guys all of CF7's abilities say 'this is a scum kill' and 'you cant use this ability and any other ability'.  This is nothing new.  bonus scum kills always have some kind of 'cannot place factional kill and this kill' constraints.  The issue of why Zak didn't use his CF7 copy:
"Remodeling (Abnormality): Your abnormality allows you to remodel others, or even yourself, to gain new abilities or enhance existing ones. Lately the introduction of all these minuses have caused you to remodel yourself so that you possess one yourself, but you certainly wouldn't mind having more. Every time a player with a minus is killed, you will experiment on their corpse until you figure out how their minus works so that you can take it for yourself."

I think means 'can copy from nightkill only' and can't be used on lynch.  Note lack of 'cant use this ability and make a hit that night'. 

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Shadoweh I appreciate that you may think my ideas are bad or dumb, but at least I am trying to solve this mess.  We won't get a result by making a decision then arguing about it afterwards.  I'm convinced theres' enough information in thread, we can go backand check the roles, I'm just so dam nbusy today.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #175 on: March 20, 2014, 11:19:19 PM »
It would actually be helpful if everyone reclaimed all their night actions/abilities. The info is scattered throughout the thread and it's just easier to have it out in the open, plus a lot of the claims came out piecemeal.

I don't have any night abilities. I only have the hated modifier and the dreaming god ability, both of which are Not Equals. For the dreaming god, I sent in an ordered list during confirmation. No actions since then.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #176 on: March 20, 2014, 11:21:41 PM »
*by drop off I don't mean in terms of physical posts since she actually posts more after D1. I dunno, it's just a feeling thing. :v Probably because this game had way too many posts in general.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #177 on: March 20, 2014, 11:24:41 PM »
Shadoweh, you checked yourself n1 yeah?  You saw Hikaru and Bard.  Night 2 skipped. Night 3?  Night 4?  Night 5?
SB jailed Sky n1, Bard n3, ??? night 4
Bard tracked Shadoweh n1, n2 skip, n3 ???, n4 ???, n5 Dan why. 
If you're going to ask why Bard tracked Dan, one has to ask why you thought he was scummy enough to shoot too :p

N1: Sacchi and Bard target me. N2: I COULD HAVE BEEN SPECIAL N3: Sacchi targets me N4: No one targetted Bard N5: No one targetted me
N1: Bard tracks me, sees me target myself N2: skip N3: Roleblawked N4: Tracks Sky P fails due to ??? N5: Tracks Dan, Dan went to heaven.
The SB actions are correct. BT however says he has something unclaimed.

Also:
Day 1: Nothing, Day2: Conq causes Weird day/night block that skips Day 3. Day 4: Conq causes Kingmaker. Day 5: ??? Day 6: ???


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #178 on: March 20, 2014, 11:28:44 PM »
Oh, right, those. To clarify: D1, D5, and D6 have been blanks.
D2 was N2 skip.
D3 was D3 skip.
D4 was kingmaker.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 6
« Reply #179 on: March 20, 2014, 11:30:25 PM »
Eh fuckit, I don't think I'll be on the wrong end of a bullet if I survive the day anyway and I just lost a big chunk of my motivation.

I'm actually The Judge(Untargetable). I claimed ascetic because I'm immune to non-killing abilities. I'm also immune to killing abilities, but I saw no reason to spoil that surprise.

I was actually musing about my play on D2 for reasons I won't delve into, so this is fresh in my mind.
This is me referring to how on D2 I was a little annoyed at my inability to control obvtown-being-ness, which made me want to analyze my own play. Annoyed because I had a death wish and wanted to be shot.