Touhou Gameplay Help Thread #7 - Not just for spell card help after all

[Failure McFailFace]

Alright, now that Impossible Spellcard is released, I've been playing it, and I can't get any item into the secondary slot. How do you do this?

[Inadequate]

Unlock Day 6

[Failure McFailFace]

Unlock Day 6

Oh god.

Welp, time to play for the next 6 hours then


Edit: Got there, having trouble on Raiko's last card

[chirpy13]

Is 4-3 even possible to cap without items?  At this point I've pretty much resigned myself to trying to time it out since I can't stay under Yuyuko long enough to cap it.  I had it down to 29 seconds with her bar barely half done once, but considering over 1/4 of her bar comes off before the first wave has to be dodged... yeah.  That's 1/4 in 35 seconds, which means I'd need roughly 70 more.  Sitting on her head doesn't seem much better either but maybe with super good RNG?  I dunno.

[Failure McFailFace]

Don't take my word for it, but if you have insane reaction times, or you are good at going though dense danmaku backwards, then you're going to be fine.


Me though, I used the umbrella to warp to the bottom of the screen at the place where the bullets make a circular empty space.

[ElDestructoe]

I got her down to 12 seconds with almost no life once, but then I hit a bullet. It's definitely possible.

[Zork787]

Ok so having come back from a several month hiatus of playing Touhou actively has caused me to notice that regardless of game and character use, when I need to do pixel precise movements, just simply tapping Arrow key instead causes me to move several pixels at a time, and this happens regardless of what keyboard I use and it makes it near impossible to avoid deaths that really shouldn't happen otherwise and was wondering if anyone would possibly know what might be causing it?

[Rei]

Ok so having come back from a several month hiatus of playing Touhou actively has caused me to notice that regardless of game and character use, when I need to do pixel precise movements, just simply tapping Arrow key instead causes me to move several pixels at a time, and this happens regardless of what keyboard I use and it makes it near impossible to avoid deaths that really shouldn't happen otherwise and was wondering if anyone would possibly know what might be causing it?

Try to move diagonally. If you're at the bottom of the screen, hold Down while moving. That's what I do.

[I have no name]

Ok, is there some trick to dodging ISC 8-7 (Sukuna's turbo knives) or can I just not read bullets fast enough.  It's too long to luck through like I did some earlier scenes itemless.

I also backed down on 8-6 but I know I can do that one it's just a matter of focusing long enough.
Haven't touched stages 9 or 10 yet, only missing the above 2 for itemless clears.

[Serela]

I don't have those IHNN, but how in the world did you manage 5-2? Do you have the replay?

edit:nevermind it's not as evil as I thought, just a pain

[Szayelaporro Granz]

I'm trying to capture 10-7 (ISC) with Bomb/Fabric or Camera/Substitute (sub doesn't really matter, as long as I can use it to survive until I capture it) by destroying as many red orbs before the laser spawned. I managed to reduce Miko's health my 3/4 with former item, but is it possible to capture it with this method? I don't have the reflex of a Lunatic player, so maybe I should come back later <.<

[Oh]

Don't watch if you want to figure out 10-7 yourself.
I didn't even have the item maxed, just noticed.

[Szayelaporro Granz]

No problem, it actually works!

I'm having a problem with 10-8, how do I lure Remi?

[Zil]

You mean 10-9, I take it. This replay should be easy to copy, with whatever sub item you want.

[Yukaris Glove]

... I didn't know a new T?h? game came out!! D: Impossible Spell Card, huh?

Anyway, I did come here to ask for help... with that: http://www.mediafire.com/download/vcstgnf0vjxvtvi/th14_18.rpy

It's a replay of me beating Benben Tsukumo third spell card on lunatic. I was trying something different to find safer ways to beat it, when, somehow, I got the lasers to desync, making the spell card waaay easier. But I just don't get why it happened, and I want to learn to make it happen so I can consistently capture this spell card. Any ideas? I doubt I've discovered something new  :V

[Szayelaporro Granz]

Am I the only person who thinks 10-2 is hard? The bullets are fast and if it only forms small gap I'll be doomed for sure Also, is 10-5 entirely luck-based (especially the 2nd wave)?

[Yookie]

10-2 is basically just a reaction test. What worked for me was staying close to her for the round bullets and then dashing away for the lasers. There's a kind-of-sorta-not-really safe spot a little to the left of below of her where the lasers rarely spawn.
But it certainly is a little bit luck based, especially considering how long the card takes in relation to a lot of others. Just keep at it, it's one of the easier ones from the final day. d:

10-5 is evil.

[Szayelaporro Granz]

10-2 is basically just a reaction test. What worked for me was staying close to her for the round bullets and then dashing away for the lasers. There's a kind-of-sorta-not-really safe spot a little to the left of below of her where the lasers rarely spawn.
But it certainly is a little bit luck based, especially considering how long the card takes in relation to a lot of others. Just keep at it, it's one of the easier ones from the final day. d:

10-5 is evil.

Omg, sankyu! <3 Actually, I have quite some final day spellcards captured before - so this card is certainly not the easiest for me.

[Yukaris Glove]

Ok, I'll word it another way:

Could someone please give me advice on a way to reliably capture Benben Tsukumo's third spell card on lunatic? Its name is "Music Sign "Double Score"".

I could also use help for Seija's first (Reverse Sign "Evil in the Mirror") and second (Reverse Sign "Overturning All Under Heaven") spell cards on lunatic, specially the first one, but Benben's is my priority.

Thanks in advance.

[Helix ⑨]

Wait 10-5 isn't that hard? I got it in 21 tries. only started playing today and got 2 of the last day cards so far.

Just use the yin-yang orb and move it to a safe location. In the 2nd wave wait 2 seconds before porting. You should get it with 6-7 uses.

[Baron_Blade]

I've been trying to beat Fairy Wars' extra, and I always end up losing at least three lives to Marisa's third spell. I've gotten past it once, but I'd like to have at least some clue on how to survive it better.

[Yookie]

You won't get to damage Marisa directly much or at all, it's done mostly via freeze damage.

Start a little to the side under Marisa, wait for the orb to come after you and go to the other side in a wide arc leading upwards. This gives you an opportunity to move closer to Marisa and freeze right as she start firing her faster red stars.
Move back under her as the orb retracts, close in while you charge your freeze on the orb and freeze again while she fires the red stars.
Repeat until dead.

This way you'll only have to dodge the projectiles that come from the orb. Know that these are aimed at you.

[I have no name]

This way you'll only have to dodge the projectiles that come from the orb. Know that these are aimed at you.

I'm not sure if the initial shot is aimed, but I do know that the entire barrage is not-it picks a starting direction and spirals around, just like Marisa's shots.

[Szayelaporro Granz]

In the 2nd wave wait 2 seconds before porting.

What do you mean? Normally I rely on luck in the 2nd wave by doing the same method as for the 1st wave. 3rd wave is evil micrododging. I still have no idea how to do the 4th wave, IHNN and Jaimers' video are confusing.

Guys, how do I do 4-3 and 4-6? :V

[I have no name]

10-5 no item is micro, micro with RNG, super micro, dodge in a corner, micro, dies.
With an item you can use a substitute jizo on the first 4 waves (or dodge the first and blast through waves 2-4) and just clear it easily.

Guys, how do I do 4-3 and 4-6? :V

Abuse doll sub on the first for massive damage, I've been shown a replay of killing it in 2 waves with a lot of luck-I killed it in 4 waves, since I approached the dodging in a more consistent manner (dodging on the side the butterflies first spawn on).
4-6 is pretty nasty, you can either flail, read it or do what Serela discovered and move down as they approach.  I haven't personally done this (did a combo of flail and read), but I heard it works.

[Quukii]

I've been trying to beat Fairy Wars' extra, and I always end up losing at least three lives to Marisa's third spell. I've gotten past it once, but I'd like to have at least some clue on how to survive it better.

That attack is actually one of her easiest. See video.

[Nolegs the Cat]

Errr... how would one do Patchouli on EOSD, R-B? (I mean an attack-by-attack guide -shrug-)
I'm trying to get a default-resources 1cc, and she is probably the worst run-ender. -sigh-
That, and clip-derps  :colonveeplusalpha:
Cheers.
(EDIT: Difficulty is hard, if you need to know)

[Sakurei]

Does anyone have any useful tips for Mokou's fifth spellcard's supergraze? My eyes can't focus for 70 fucking seconds on something like that. I stop being able to read that shit after 30-40 seconds at best. I get that it's a timing based thing, but I also haven't been able to keep up the rhythm for long enough. Is there anything I can do to not be bad at it/improve my chances at improving at it? Other than "git gud" w

Any tip is appreciated. Tfw you can't even stream for a minute ;;

Errr... how would one do Patchouli on EOSD, R-B? (I mean an attack-by-attack guide -shrug-)
I'm trying to get a default-resources 1cc, and she is probably the worst run-ender. -sigh-
That, and clip-derps  :colonveeplusalpha:
Cheers.
(EDIT: Difficulty is hard, if you need to know)

ReimuB's Patchouli has a lot of spellcard that require you to dodge. This may sound obvious, but what I mean is that all her spellcards are more or less requiring you to just read and dodge them. Bury in Lake can screw you over with RNG, so prepare a bomb if you have to. Same for Emerald Megalith. The others aren't so difficult that you couldn't handle them about half the time if you practice them enough. Her two nonspells are streaming. I forgot in which direction the lasers start rotating, but basically you slowly stream in the same direction and the laser that last spawned. The hitbox of the lasers disappear when they reach the middle and start to fade out, so you can (and have to) switch directions then. The bullets should miss you just fine if you do it like that. As far as I know.

[Szayelaporro Granz]

So there's no real tips (no offense for those who helped me) for 10-5 after all, just super micro dodge. I will come back in a year or so. Below are no item clear questions...

5-2 seems to be hellish streaming, just how fast do I need to misdirect the streaming arrows? The stray bullets are the real problem.
Can a mere Hard mode player (barely) like me capture 7-4? I don't seem to have the reflex needed for this spell card.
How does one do 8-6? Is it just circling below Mamizou? Looks an easier-said-than-done kind of spellcard.
I have watched a replay for 9-1 no item clear and I still don't understand how it works in practice.

[Failure McFailFace]

is there any good way to do 10-7 () (Remilia's 2nd card)? I try doing the same thing as Mokou's "Immorality's Reckless Sacrifice," but it fails to work.