Author Topic: Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4  (Read 158722 times)

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #810 on: March 15, 2014, 07:06:27 PM »
I should probably reread Zak regardless. I have a weak townread on him but I had that last game too and he was scum, so.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #811 on: March 15, 2014, 07:08:42 PM »
At this point you can make that accusation at everyone. :V I half-wonder if Neko got shanked because he hadn't claimed a shitty power. Uh, you were talking with Neko during that entire episode yesterday? Did you two talk privately about that whole thing and uh getting him to calm down?

Yeah, he calmed down after watching anime, I think.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #812 on: March 15, 2014, 07:29:08 PM »
Wait Bard claimed the not!Neighbour. Never mind.
What? He's the neighbor.

Also, Shadoweh: Unless you think Sacchi or Zakeri is a roleblocker, there's at least one lie in that list.
Not entirely sure that the roleblock came from mafia yet though. Town needs some sort of actual power from somewhere.
What roleblock is this?

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #813 on: March 15, 2014, 07:49:23 PM »
Oh.

Bard is a neighbour with another bit to his role? Seems kind of odd.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #814 on: March 15, 2014, 08:35:48 PM »
haven't read anything after the line I'm quoting but just
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It's also completely hypocritical, considering that you hadn't done anything yourself.
People complaining that you can't vote people who do something you technically also did is just the stupidest thing ever. It's still scummy, get out.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #815 on: March 15, 2014, 08:42:35 PM »
In some situations yeah, but calling someone out for having no content when that's pretty much your only content is terrible.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #816 on: March 15, 2014, 09:00:56 PM »
Okay

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You basically dismissed CF7's scuminess throughout the day because you considered him a newbie, but then you attack Sky who started playing here after CF7, which is what?
I'd easily rate Sky as being significantly better at mafia then cf7 (I'm trying to be as least offensive as possible but with this topic it's hard, retyped this response a few times already) and... uhm, I still don't know how to respond to this better then that. SkyPaladin consistently shows that he's fully capable of playing mafia to a fully satisfactory degree, most of the time at least? I can't remember a single game from CF7 that wasn't pretty meh. To be fair, though, almost all the games I remember him being in, he barely existed and then subbed out, mostly due to internet issues.

I didn't find CF7's actions explicitly scummy from someone on the perceived level of play I have of him, until he made the obvscum post shortly after I defended him. I wasn't just passing him for being new, I was trying to read his actions based on the degree of meta I knew from him.

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Let me explain this a little better. It looked like you were defending a buddy at first and then changed your opinions to get bus cred when he seemed to be too far gone.
k fair point


anyway I think standard for having done things is a little lower when it's halfway into d1 ;_; I don't care about most of the stupid stuff people are getting up to in ed1, regardless of how much everyone else apparently does.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #817 on: March 15, 2014, 09:32:37 PM »
I'm an abnormality shadoweh.

And I said I'd like to receive a present.  one per every 3 phases is ideal.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #818 on: March 15, 2014, 10:19:14 PM »
I personally disagree with SB's Serela case But I Can See Where It's Coming From even if I think Serela is just being unhelpful town. ;-;

Reread Zak. I think what makes me think he's scum the most is how he basically waltzed around the issue of Sky (before most people started thinking he was town) and Kingault. For the Sky issue it's possible he wasn't here, but the Kingault position goes from
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I'm still a bit iffy on Kingault just because He sounded more town that CF7 in his self-defeatism, I haven't gotten up to where Oarfish started posting yet, though.
to
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I do agree with the notion that Oarfish hasn't done anything incredibly town but I also don't like that people are just hopping onto the next delicious wagon in the buffet line.
to
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This bus winner was of course Kingault, but everyone's already wagoning Oarfish and I was focusing on newer content.
which sounds like he's presupposing Kingault scum with his BT/SB cases and doesn't make sense with what he'd been saying about that slot. Or, I would expect more about Oarfish's content if he switched his mind on that slot beyond "everyone's already wagoning Oarfish."

His D2 case on BT pretty much applies to Zak's D1. And I still don't think his reaction to how Serela used his role sounds genuine, even if he made it after the CF7 lynch was basically set.

I'm actually not sure who my other pick for scum would be though. Sacchi still gave me good vibes when I read his posts even if his content and relation with the CF7 wagon isn't SUPER SOLID or anything; he's a newbie after all. I considered Serela as a possibility when CF7 refused to claim, but then I rethought about it and I think in that situation they might go harder for the double bus, I dunno. There are bits of Serela play that read town from D1, stuff like his comment on how he noticed rawr's rolespec but didn't bring it up because it wasn't scum motivated. I don't know if he can fake that thought process as scum. If Zak is scum I really don't think Dan is scum, although his activity has dropped off since D1; still not unusual for Dan!town though. BT's post just continue to look town. I'm not a master Bard reader or anything, but iirc his comparison to his Glados play is apt enough (although I didn't really read that game) but gut. And I guess SB is partly gut town as well. The only thing I find off about him is that a lot of his posting seems aggressively disjointed (like the sudden push on Serela out of nowhere) but I don't think that's part of SB's scum play, so. And his play kinda reminds me of Utena Mafia.

Basically, game is hard. I'll look more at this later.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #819 on: March 15, 2014, 10:22:49 PM »
Bard portion should read "plus gut" as in gut!town. It wouldn't be surprised if he were scum, say, but his posting, especially around the Sky issue, feels genuine? Although he did get to it a bit later than most people in the thread, I assume there was discussion about it in the neighborhood. And I agree with whoever said that mafia would be less likely to kill a vanilla neighbor if they knew they were scum, especially as NNR was tunneling on what I presume is a town!Sky.

Unless Bard is randomizing kills but iirc he only did that because he was scum with PX and it was 2 vs 9.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #820 on: March 15, 2014, 10:28:49 PM »
##Vote Shadoweh

I LOVE QUICKHAMMERRRRRRS YEEEEEEEES AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahaaaaaa yeah it's not actually that great since it's just kingmaker. ;_;

Also I remember that game Conq. Bard almost won. But he got caught by a four minute night clearing several people as town from activity timers. So good. Keine is better at mafia then some of the actual people playing.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #821 on: March 15, 2014, 10:29:26 PM »
Keine is better at mafia then some of the actual people playing.
Let's not forget that time someone rng'd a voteblock in lylo and Keine actually hit scum with it. If only I could use mine in lylo.
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #822 on: March 15, 2014, 10:31:45 PM »
I'm awake and oh boy was that a good night's afternoon of sleep.

But first:

Sacchi doesn't have to claim because spoilers I already know what his role is.

Then I guess I have an idea of what your role is as well >_>

Regardless, with everything that's happened I don't really know who's scum anymore, there's four people that I don't have particular townreads on (Zak/BT/SB/Dan) and I'm actually willing to bet that the two lurkers (Zak/Dan) are the scum, but I'm not so sure of Dan 'cause ~*~Omerta Mafia~*~ but I'll give Zak a reread right now. I'll probably take the time to reread SB and BT too since I might as well Play The Fucking Game while I have nothing to do.

And I don't really know how to respond to Bard's case on me, Skypal was one of my scum suspects D1 and when the other two got a whole more towny he was the only one left, and honestly he just got worse by the minute on D2 but then VT CLAIM happened and then I went to reread him and... Yeah. O4rfish was the only other good case out there and AFAIK if he isn't furthering town-agenda (like he wasn't) then he's furthering scum-agenda.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #823 on: March 15, 2014, 11:08:45 PM »
A power has been activated.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 11:16:49 PM by Definitely Not Dormio »

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #824 on: March 15, 2014, 11:16:39 PM »
Votecount
Shadoweh (6): Bardiche, Sacchi Hikaru, BT, Sky Paladin, Conqueror, Serela
ActionDan (1): ActionDan
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Zakeri (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
SB (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Zakeri, Shadoweh, SB

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to make a king.

Shadoweh has become the king. The day will end when Shadoweh uses the command ##Lynch: <Playername>, or when time runs out.

You have ~48.75 hours remaining.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2014, 11:42:52 PM by Definitely Not Dormio »

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #825 on: March 15, 2014, 11:20:27 PM »
OH GOD IVE BEEN QUICKHAMMERED AGAIN FUCK YOU GUYS I JUST WANT TO LIVE

Not entirely sure that the roleblock came from mafia yet though. Town needs some sort of actual power from somewhere.
Well at the moment there are two scenarios here, Zak claims to have roleblocked Bardiche because ??? or it's scum.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #826 on: March 15, 2014, 11:31:30 PM »
What roleblock? Don't do this to me. I'll cry.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #827 on: March 15, 2014, 11:53:04 PM »
It could also be part of a townie's role that they haven't outed yet, but eh.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #828 on: March 16, 2014, 12:03:20 AM »
I supose that's possible too.
BT I am a psychic goddess but I don't have ALL the answers, god. Presumably either NNR or Bard was hit by a roleblock at some point (which doesn't actually confirm a role, rb's sometimes turn off neighbour QT's)

Since I'm literally unlynchable, I'm going to post my expert notetaking in thread instead of just leaving it on notepad.

Day 1 sleepyreads

Conq: Not scum wi9th CF7 who wanted to know all about his hated, even if he didn't mindlink with me b/c huge jerk
Zak: CF7 answers Zak's questions about his alignment, uhm.. and then Zak votes Serela, sure. Not sureenss
BT: CF7 Ignores BT's prods, BT is hard on CF7 like rubber, if BT is scum this would be the hardest bus since Bates rode on DiEnd.

CF7 says SB claimed ascetic, mixup with Bt's role, what does it mean?!


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #829 on: March 16, 2014, 02:53:47 AM »
Turns out Zak ISO was super easy because he has exactly 8 of what I consider content posts out of a total 17 posts in this game.  That's even less than ActionDan. 

RVS for NNR, switches to Rawr shortly after after quoting 'policy lynches'. 
Weird response/quote of ActionDan in RVS. 
Discussion of BT's ascetic claim.  Implies the best way to test BT's claim is to vig him.  Defends lack of reads on Serela. 
Vote for CF7.  Fairly reasonable looking. 
Defends CF7 vote/soft coaching.
Struggling what to think of this post.  It looks like a fairly lengthy post but I don't think it actually states anything of merit.  States that he is going to relook at Serela, which connects the next post to this one and redeems it a little bit. 
Vote for Serela and scumpicks CF7, Sky, and Serela.  What's the reason for unvoting one of your scum picks who is at L-2?  Looks like a serious case of scum hopping off their buddy but still trying to get wagon cred by saying that wagon is scummy.  "I don't feel like CF7 is going to answer to any more questions just from keeping a pressure vote on him, but I'm still willing to switch back if he doesn't find new scumreads to talk about."  Zak says CF7 isn't going to answer questions from pressure but he will put his vote back there if CF7 doesn't answer questions.  Then why take your vote off in the first place?  Never revoted for CF7. 
Called out by somebody for his bad vote on Serela.  This is a really bad non content post that does not defend his stance.  "To be honest, my vote on Serela was kind of a votepark at the time, mostly because like I said I gave up hope of Cf7 improving." 
First major content post of the game (now in day 2).  Asks SB about his hyperbole.  The main content is actually scumhunting on SB and BT, gives a better case on SB but votes BT.  Would slam if either Zak or SB later on flip red. 
More back and forth with SB. 
This looks like another non-content post disguised as a bigger post. 
Votes for SB.  SB actually looked really scummy at that stage.  Inconclusive. 

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That's all. 

Zak has one actual scumhunt post -> BT.  He has had a very low presence with a tiny amount of posts, and little interaction with other players. 

The main alert is his Serela vote on day 1 despite naming CF7 as a scumpick and then shifting off his vote.  When he was called on it for vote parking he admitted it was vote parking until it was time to revote CF7, except he never did. 

I'm struggling to see any actual *effort*, but if we were lynching due to lack of effort, Dan would be up first.  I think Zak is more scummy than Dan.  It's hard to make any useful conclusions because Zak has said so very little. 

But compared to the other players I have ISO'd, with super shiny Conqueror and good looking BT, Zak looks pretty scummy.  Would lynch. 
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #830 on: March 16, 2014, 03:00:38 AM »
Anyway since I really don't have anything useful to say I'll claim since it's me/Zak for today probs.

I'm really Lazy (TM).  No really, I'm LETHARGY, I believe 15th most popular.

My abnormality is to not be able to action for 2 phases after I use an action

but

I don't have any active abilities.

?_?_?_?_?_?_?_?

Why?

Beats me

Don't lynch me.

Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #831 on: March 16, 2014, 04:46:05 AM »
Conqueror caught me. The reason I went back and forth on Kingault was because People were wanting to lynch Oarfish and I was trying to avoid having to read more of Day one than I had to.

Dan, SB, and I guess BT and Sacchi are the ones I would look at today, since I don't have any lingering town feelings on them. Sacchi and BT are more null than the other two for me right now, and BT isn't priority since I've read him yesterday.

As for my role, I'm Youka Naze, Black White. My ability is called (Minus Backup) and it's pretty much what you think.

I'm told I can one use the ability once per person, and with CF7 dead it's easy to tell why. I decided not to shoot immediately on night one and maybe increase my chances of hitting the next night but I got distracted on Night 3. I was given an ability to "Copy any actions performed on me, and give the effects to somebody else" and on a whim I decided to use it on SB. I can't tell if anything happened to me or him, though.

I'm not the roleblocker that people are apparently claiming is a thing.

I still have my selection of one of CF7's kills, as well as whatever minus drops from the person Shadoweh decides to lynch. I'm not going to use the vig to beg for my life, but I'm considering leaving it up to a secondary vote.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #832 on: March 16, 2014, 04:57:44 AM »
Why would you -not- use a vig last night (knowing that it's possible you may not make it long enough for otherwise, and now may likely be roleblocked assuming truth)

Okay whatever I need to go to sleep. Oh god I was supposed to do rereads aaaa well I don't have work tomorrow so I have no excuses then
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #833 on: March 16, 2014, 05:41:24 AM »
Like I said I got distracted. I really didn't expect to get Oarfish's Minus, so I was like "Sure whatever".

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #834 on: March 16, 2014, 07:21:22 AM »
I just want to be clear on this. 

Zak, did you just counter claim Rawr's role? 

It's just that Rawr already flipped and is town, so...
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #835 on: March 16, 2014, 08:47:53 AM »
Nope.
Rawr copies abnormalities, I copy Minuses. So far only Oarfish and CF7 dropped with abilities I can use.

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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #836 on: March 16, 2014, 09:04:36 AM »
Uhm.

So Rawr copied literally nothing so far... and you copy... the scum's ability to do a nightkill?
I know I said Town's roles so far have sucked donkies but that's quite a boost in power.


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #837 on: March 16, 2014, 10:25:46 AM »
I don't really know.  Isn't a minus a kind of abnormality? 

Rawr had unlimited use to any abnormality that dropped.  Zak is claiming a limited use of only minuses.  Zak's wording also looks very awkward. 

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I was given an ability to
and
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I really didn't expect to get Oarfish's Minus
doesn't exactly line up with
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I decided not to shoot immediately on night one
.  Zak's stated use implies that the ability given is random but he also stated that he chose not to shoot. 

Zak it really feels like you are doing some kind of crazy limbo to avoid giving a clear claim.  Can't you just say "I randomly get given an ability from a flipped player and on night 1 I got/did x etc" instead of these weird sentences. 

Even if I wanted to believe you I don't know what I am supposed to believe, because your story is not consistent with itself.  Looks like you fake claimed, poorly.  Want to try again?
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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #838 on: March 16, 2014, 11:37:43 AM »
Okay, as Long Live the Shadoweh is in effect I supose I should give incentive to actually talk to me. Her Queenship calls upon her counselors for advice on what to do today. (Which you're not guarenteed I will listen to, honestly why would you trust me with this aaaaaaaaaaaaa)

Chamberman Conq, as you should be so mindlinked with me that my towniness is causing you vision loss, tell me about Herr Dan and his apathy lazy role which appears to exist to make Rawr's actions suck balls, compared to the nice things Zak picked up. I question whether it's a fakeclaim because the nightkills being seperate actions like that lend to the idea they're there to be copied. A mafia backup of the mafian roles isn't out of the question though.
The role Zak did end up using is kind of a vengeful vig if used correctly, I assume he used it on SB because he was suspicious of him? Reading the Paladin's iso says this is true.

For Sky P: Minus and Abnormality are different action qualifiers, I asked about this when Rawr flipped. Rawr would only get actions with (Abnormality), whereas CF7's actions were all (Minus).

I really don't know what to say about SB. If I was going to lynch him I probably wouldn't tell him in advance FOR SOME REASON. Earlier I thought he annd Dan were townie, so I supose it depends on how much I trust ED1 Shadoweh. SB, is your power a Minus/Abnormality?


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Re: Medaka Box Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #839 on: March 16, 2014, 11:40:22 AM »
Zak, why didn't you just shoot SB instead of using Oarfish's power on him? SB claimed governor, if you really were suspicious of him you would have to realize he's near-unlynchable and shooting him would be the best way to get him out of here? I Forgot doesn't parse when you had the vig power first. >_>


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