Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4

[BT]

BTW Dormio contacted me saying my full flavor was Tokemichi Choujabaru, The Judge.

I'm only saying this because I except the same kind of detail from my SkyPal here.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
Sky Paladin (5): NekoNekoRex, ActionDan, Serela, Sacchi Hikaru
SB (2): Shadoweh, Sky Paladin
O4rfish (1): Bardiche
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Zakeri (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
ActionDan (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Zakeri, BT, SB, O4rfish

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

You have ~59.3 hours remaining.

[Sky_Paladin]

Oh right.  I'm Myouri Unzen, creepy monster child thing. 

[BT]

Conq, I know you're still around. Talk to me about Bard in the meantime. Oh, I think SB is town too. Turns out I don't approve of both your "other picks". Don't make me think you're scum just based off of reads, I think you're town otherwise. >_>

CUT: You probably have a line in your PM telling you why you're so uselessly useless (read: VT) if you're telling the truth.

[O4rfish]

Lastly, in my final main post, I said:
"King voted CF7 so for this story to make any sense at all, CF7 is probably town, and Shadoweh/Serela are probably also town. "
There's no reason for me to say such an idiot thing if scum!CF7 was at L-2 and 99% likely to be lynched in a scenario where I am also scum.  [/quote]

Anyway, I just can't see how you can wrap your head to say "Sky's vote on Kingault was to save a scumbuddy" but won't consider "Kingault's bad vote was bussing a scum buddy." 

This is really weird. You are voteparking me, but making a case against NNR. Plus, you say that it only makes sense if I'm scum and CF7 is town, but when CF7 flips scum you assume that I was scum bussing him? Your vote switch trap "caught" Sacchi, but you kept your vote on me. I just don't see how you can say the words "confirmation bias" without tasting hypocrisy.

cut by your case on SB is super lame. WIFOM buddy-defense level lame.

[Sky_Paladin]

Gotta have an excuse for being so pathetic.

That is uncalled for.  You just dismissed my defence because it wasn't convenient for you to read. 

Lack of reading is what got town this far on a mislynch in the first place. 

[Serela]

skypal uh he meant excuse for your character being so pathetically vanilla townie

Although I don't really like flavorhunting and we're almost certainly lynching you anyway

[Sky_Paladin]

My role straight out says that I am going to purge the world and deliver my brand of justice and then that my abilities are to post and vote.  Like Dormio forgot to include serial killer/serelavigger in there, but that was not the case. 

Oh, and that I placed 19th in the popularity poll. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Anyway, let's not beat around the bush.  There'll be somebody who says my flavor is scummy or that because I'm defending myself I'm scummy (BT already said as much) so that's dead. 

There's no night phase and I'm vanilla so there's actually very little bad in this mislynch.  You can assume roled me would argue harder, but any way I look at it, this situation is pretty ideal.  I'm the best mislynch. 

I'm pretty annoyed that this case appeared based entirely off misrep when we have actual scum leads to pursue (Hikari/Kingault/SB) but no night-phase, it's better if I'm not around. 

I'm not gonna self vote though so if you have anything else you want to say to me/get out of me, I'm all ears. 

[Conqueror]

Conq, I know you're still around. Talk to me about Bard in the meantime. Oh, I think SB is town too. Turns out I don't approve of both your "other picks". Don't make me think you're scum just based off of reads, I think you're town otherwise. >_>

I'm only around because I'm procrastinating on the work I should do. Anyway, I thought Bard's Serela case was over the top but I saw it as something he could conceivably post as town. I'll have to reread his insistence on why CF7 was town. Really, the most jarring thing about his play is the fact that he hasn't mentioned Sky_Paladin at all today despite everyone else wanting to lynch him. I'm not sure what to make of that.

tl;dr Bard is always a hard read for me and I'll have to get back on that later. If Sky flips scum there'll be more to work with.

re: vanilla claim
@mod: When you said this game was role madness, does that mean every player has a power role?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@mod: When you said this game was role madness, does that mean every player has a power role?

Every player is guaranteed to have a power role of some sort.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'd like to add that, again, you are free to attempt to guess at or break my setup if you want but don't expect it to be easy.

[Conqueror]

Zak's persual of CF7 became really solid at one point, probably #165, where you can tell he's not putting priority on opening doors or skirting around the issue, instead opting to punch CF7 in the face for the scum he was. The line where he says there's no reason to change his vote really sells it to me. It's just such a good approach to the whole thing that I feel comfortable eliminating the "hard bussing" option.

Like, re: this. I'm torn between thinking scum!Zak would bus harder and thinking scum!Zak wanted to try and shake the wagons up a little given inertia. This is getting to be a tired refrain, but at this point I just want to see Zak post to see where he goes for today.

[Sky_Paladin]

Every player is guaranteed to have a power role of some sort.

Um

This is a lie.

I don't know what to say. 

[Sky_Paladin]

OK. 

I can only conclude it's role madness + bastard because my role pm clearly says vanilla town.  If the mod is going to say everyone has a power role then there's no other argument except lynch me. 

[Sky_Paladin]

Mod:  Is 'vanilla town' a power role?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Mod:  Is 'vanilla town' a power role?

I do not consider pure vanilla to be a power role.

[Serela]

I'm sorry skypal but we're basically just waiting for you to die at this point

again, if you really are VT (somehow, given that even the mod has counterclaimed you) then I feel sorry for you

If you truly think you're VT without having had a seriously reading comprehension failure on your rolepm, it's probably some semi-bastard case of your powers not being explained in your PM

[BT]

Eh, I'd guess when roles are concerned your "power" is what's said in those nice brackets after your name and title. You know, like how rawr was the Abnormal Backup or whatever it was. It's pretty cut-and-dry if that's the case.

Anyone got anything to say before we end this?

[Sky_Paladin]

Yeah I understand entirely Serela. 

It's hard to see how I could fail to read 'vanilla town' 'your ability is to post and vote'. 

The game has to be semi-bastard. 

I can only assume I'm supposed to get some ability later down the track so I'm not technically 'vanilla town' but my pm says 'vanilla town' and that's why I claimed vanilla. 

I mean the mod just counterclaimed me so you have to assume I am lying because the mod doesn't lie unless it's bastard game. 

I presume my flip will have some humerous reasoning as to why I dont count as vanilla but I'm as clueless as you. 

There's nothing about any abnormalities. 

I can't copy from the pm or screenshot of course but it's pretty cut and dry. 

[NekoNekoRex]

Well, I guess you only proved your own scum role?

[Conqueror]

Hmm. Is it okay if we wait for people like Zak to check in?

[NekoNekoRex]

Well I originally wanted to wait until 24 hours had passed myself before doing any lynches.

[Shadoweh]

So, I'm like, not really reading, and I don't really want to be like, standing behind Sky in solidarity here, but I do know a way that he could be vanilla town and still be a power role that exists in this game. >_>

[ActionDan]

Do u now shadoweh?

[ActionDan]

I sense secret role
  Unsure if alignment things too.  Will still vote.

[Mr. Sacchi]

Would not knowing that he was, say, a hated townie or a bomb count as bastard? 'Cause that's the only thing I can think of, assuming he's town.

(Note: I still don't think he's town, this is just for the sake of duscussion.)

PS: I'm phoneposting from the car, I should be home in a few minutes.

[Sky_Paladin]

Hmm

Is it possible the first mislynched vanilla towny explodes?

[Shadoweh]

No, I'm not saying Dormio lied to him about his role.
It's okay if you can't think of anything Hikaru, you're new and I wouldn'tt expect you to WIFOM.
Cut: :V No, why would you even think that was possible

I'm honestly still not feeling this lynch. I mean, the case is good and all but I've never seen a quicklynch the VT blame game wagon actually hit scum?

[Conqueror]

I know what Shadoweh is talking about, but I think in that case he would hint more at some other stuff.

I also found something from earlier that might support Sky VT?

Well of course I want to know, saa, but it seems like we had quite a few players hint they have some kind of role without any pressure at all.  I think it's a really bad strategy because you are basically inviting being hit, and towny players wouldn't do it.