Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
Sky Paladin (3): NekoNekoRex, ActionDan, Serela
SB (1): Shadoweh
Kingault (1): Bardiche
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Zakeri (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
ActionDan (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Sky Paladin, Conqueror, SB, Kingault, Zakeri, Sacchi Hikaru, BT

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

You have ~70 hours remaining.

[NekoNekoRex]

Sacchi reads town to me, actually. Just going back and looking at his opinions on CF7 give me a pretty good impression, seeing as he actively supports that CF7 is playing badly (although he calls it a Policy Lynch), while actively attacking people who give CF7 an easy, baseless pass (SB, Skypal) or have shitty jump votes (Skypal, Shadoweh [according to him], Kingault)

Oh, wait, how can Sacchi be defending his "scumbuddy Kingault" (Sky Paladin #326 again) with quotes like these?

Kingault's answer feels incredibly anti-town to me however, if you really are town then why is your answer basically amounting to "sure, whatever"?

Kingault's post was bad, yes, but I also feel that you're way too opportunistic for immediately hopping on him, and which is really scummy behaviour, especially now that people are starting to dismiss the CF7 wagon. Plus, I don't feel any "scum" intent coming from Kingault's bad post, just, you know, the post itself is bad.

I'm not giving him a beginner pass however, mostly because I'm also a beginner and I'm trying my darnest, while he has pretty much admitted to not even be trying. His posts get worse by the minute, but the problem I feel is that lynching him would be mostly a Policy Lynch, since I do not feel him to be scummy (nor townie, for the record).

[NekoNekoRex]

EBWOP: Scratch that, he wasn't attacking Skypal for any CF7 Free Pass, but I am.

[Sky_Paladin]

Short answer;
In the post you quoted, I said

Hikari even agreed that Kingault's answers are incredibly anti-town yet still votes for me. 

So anyway.  You selected comprehension fail so I'm just going to ignore you since you're obviously failing town.  I'm an English teacher so it's okay.  There is make up class after the game. 

##vote Kingault

My position hasn't changed since yesterday.  Especially when I had no way of knowing in advance that Kingault was basically just going to lay down and (figuratively) die.  But, you know.  He did. 

in b4 Bardiche is now my scumbuddy. 

SB's random 'lets quicklynch Sky' didn't escape my notice either, but I'm drunk so let's not get too greedy here. 

[NekoNekoRex]

Hikari even agreed that Kingault's answers are incredibly anti-town yet still votes for me. 

Notice how he treats Kingault exactly the same as CF7 (Shitty vote is a Policy Lynch) but voted you for having the Easiest Vote Jump Ever, and for your hilarious post-RVS case on Dan. There's obviously a difference in your intent and play compared to Kingault, and yours is simply scummier.

To be perfectly fair, I would be fine with lynching Kingault if he doesn't improve or doesn't switch out, but your posts are dripping with scum intent, and you have an obvious link to a deceased scum player.

[Sky_Paladin]

Well, it's not all bad.  We get to watch the hilarious turn-around on Serela and ActionDan for their laziest sheep votes in the world. 

I mean come on, players haven't even reported their night actions yet. 

[Shadoweh]

Why would anyone be reporting their night action results on Day 2, unless it's to claim a guilty on Neko?
Also Serela is still townie obvflail so no one's going to turn around on him? And geez why are you drinking so early. O_O

[Sky_Paladin]

No no no.  I mean watch the hilarious turn around OF Serela and ActionDan.  I'm drunk and I made one typo, damn, that's not so bad. 

I'm drunk because I got back from kendo and it's 12:15 am and I still have to make bento for tomorrow and I'm procrastinating by doing mafia.  I still have to have a shower and see if I really did lose a chunk of my left foot tonight but it hurts too bad to take my sock off. 

[Conqueror]

Pleasse tell me more about how CF7 is obvtown and we should avoid lynching him. Conq can put his butt in the same boat here.

You mad that I wanted to lynch you over now confirmed scum?  (Also, I'm miffed that you keep saying I thought CF7 was town; I didn't, I thought you were scum bullshitting an argument on him. :V) Anyway, lynching scum feels good, doesn't it? You should be more active more of the time, it's more likely to happen that way. This hat is also delicious.

Tend to agree with Bardiche that early CF7 wagon with weak (if any) counterwagons means likelyhood of bussing was high. Also the fact that CF7 didn't even bother to claim a power role to draw out a counterclaim (or get the vote to switch on to someone else, even, hell, if he was going down any random claim would have helped). Also I don't particularly think Bard is scum and he was the main proponent of the countering Serela wagon, so.

I'm going to be totally wild and say that I think it's possible Sky and Kingault are both scum. The arguments I held yesterday about Kingault still hold, except in the light of CF7's flip it would be Kingault panicking after seeing a wagon on his buddy, and not knowing how to justify it or how to get off. CF7 saying Kingault looks scummy and ignoring that vote to go for "Zak, Serela, or Conq" makes even more sense in that light.

As for Sky_Paladin, NNR's case on Sky is good (also NNR this is the most effort I've even seen you put into a mafia game, gj). I'll reread him later but from this day I don't like how Sky opened by stating that Sacchi was worth investigating...and then jumping on Kingault immediately as soon as Bardiche starts a wagon there (plus sarcastically saying "in b4 Bardiche is now my scumbuddy" pings me on so many levels).

I'm just posting this now because I want to rib Shadoweh.

If the scum is not in Sky/Kingault, I'd look in SB/Zak/BT. BT is there not because I think he's scum but because he's wasn't here much; I thought his posting yesterday in his back and forth with me was townish but within his scum capabilities so I'm looking forward to his posts today. SB/Zak I just need to look over again.

[Conqueror]

maybe Zakeri who got off of CF7 in order to vote Serela, despite saying his top scumpicks in order featured Serela only as third.

About this, I just want to point out that at least part of this could have been me poking at Zak's CF7 reasoning in a way such that he felt moving his vote would be more productive. The thing I found personally funky about Zak is the role logic he used against Serela near the end of yesterday (since it felt a little forced) but that could just be wordvomit Zak!town so I'll have to do an actual reread.

[SB]

Oh and SB is pretty scummy too for Not Scumhunting and for defending CF7 a whole bunch for basically no good reason.

If i wanted CF7 alive, he would still be alive. My vote change basically made a Serela lynch impossible and sealed CF7's fate as the D1 lynch, alongside other stuff.

##Vote: Serious Bananas

Pleasse tell me more about how CF7 is obvtown and we should avoid lynching him. Conq can put his butt in the same boat here. I supose I should actually read Sky Pal, his wifoming seemed fine to me like last game so I didn't look too closely.

I read him wrong I guess? It just felt like a repeat of last game where CF7 got D1 lynched and I actually didn't see his posts as scummy (bad, yes, but not scummy.) Also my scumplay is filled with bussing so I don't think I'd bother trying to hard defend him?

But yeah. I'm pretty sure my early NNR read was wrong and I was just getting weird vibes from his weirdly different playstyle. I'm gonna reread D1 with scum!CF7 and come back with reads.

[SB]

Oh yeah, and do you all think that the first thing CF7 would do was rolefish his own scumbuddy?

[Mr. Sacchi]

OKAY I'M AWAKE WHAT DID I MISS

Oh CF7 flipped scum? I must really suck at scumhunting then  :colonveeplusalpha:

Alright so, on to serious stuff.

##Vote: Skypal.

Shadoweh's got a clear from me until further notice thanks to pushing so hard for scum!CF7, you jumped on the wagon at the last moment, seeing how the CF7 lynch was inevitable. But for the sake of not parroting NNR's posts, you're misrepping me by repeatedly failing to read my posts, you asked twice (I believe) why I was voting for you and not Shadoweh nor Serela, while on the exact same post that I gave my scumreads on, I gave reasons for not voting either, here, let me quote it for you.

I'm actually willing to vote Shadoweh, but I'm waiting for her next post before doing so. And the only reason I'm not voting Serela right now is because I'm waiting for this whole "ascetic test" thing to end.

Then dormio cut me off with the whole "yeah I don't announce failures thing" and I went "welp" on Serela. As for Shadoweh? Her next post did not satisfy me, so I voted for her, made a question, and then promptly fell asleep because there was no way I could be awake for the deadline.

In fact, the first thing you claim on your #326 is that "you didn't exist on my analysis before you voted for Kingault", note that's literally the first thing you did after being modprodded, there was nothing to have an analysis on. In fact, multiple times in that post you say that I "admitted the posts were bad, but wasn't voting for scum" despite me deliberately explaining on my #195 that I did not think that Kingault was scum, just a bad player, I even emphasize this later by saying that he would mostly be a Policy Lynch.

[ActionDan]

Hm...
Honestly, I can't tell who has the possibility of being scum, other than CF7. Even then, I think it might be due to being a "noob" instead.
DrRawr/Conq/SB... yeah I've no clue.
As for voting Conq over his response to me...  doesn't really seem scummy to me.(Not sure if you were serious or not.)

Hm... CF7 could be acting like a noob on purpose...
Bah, it's not like I can think of any better options at this point.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

world's worst bus post if it was.  Very little attempt to take credit, very little gain in bus value.

So I'm going to lean no.

[SB]

Out of the CF7 votes, I find BT's the most interesting. His CF7 vote seemed very tentative and cautious to me, like he was leaving his options open to jump off at any time, but then he couldn't find an opportunity to switch off later without looking suspicious himself. It also looked like in his catch up post like he wasn't actively trying to look for scum!CF7, it felt like he spent roughly the same amount of time on him as he did with everyone else on the wagon. I dunno, I feel like BT is suspicous but putting it into words isn't going over well at all.

I wouldn't put it past scum!Bard to try and just coast through D1 tunneling Serela tbh, especially with posts like #182's reasons given. Like, his early content was okay but it feels like he was just trying to stretch out his Serela vote for as long as he possibly could. It's also interesting imo how his read changed on Kingault from probably town to being the scummiest person alive.

Sky not mentioning CF7 much at all yesterday is quite damning though, his Kingault vote looked like desperation to build a counterwagon and then his last minute vote looked like he was scrambling for bus cred, and his NNR read seems to be pretty much entirely reactionary, like his read towards me in AUS. It also seems to me like he hasn't really made any effort to reform his reads and alter them despite the D1 scumflip at all?

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin

Serela looks better but I'm not entirely sold on him being town yet? If he is, there are a hell of a lot of town day abilities it seems.

[ActionDan]

for the future SB,

I'd like you to give me a present.

thanks!

[Kingault]

Right, back from school.
Don't worry, NNR.
##Vote: Sky Paladin
Why? No not because bandwagon.
He was my next vote after CF7 ever since last day.
Today only reaffirms my decision.

[Conqueror]

world's worst bus post if it was.  Very little attempt to take credit, very little gain in bus value.

So I'm going to lean no.

If Kingault is scum, it would be his first scum game, so it doesn't seem too farfetched for someone who doesn't yet know how to play as scum.

Oh yeah, and do you all think that the first thing CF7 would do was rolefish his own scumbuddy?

Okay yeah, SB is probably town.

[Conqueror]

Also I think that vote makes it L-1.

[SB]

##Unvote

Preventing quickhammers. I need to look over Kingault really.

[Mr. Sacchi]

@Mod, could we get a votecount, please?

I'm pretty sure that's L-2 with SB's unvote, but I'd rather make sure.

[NekoNekoRex]

Cool.

##Unvote

As fun as Turbolynch is, I would of course like to have some time in the day to discuss things, and make sure everyone has opinions down.

cut by SB beating me to it.
Going to go reread a bit to see if his defense holds up, although gut says he's probably right. vOv

[SB]

I actually think hammering early in the double phase wouldn't be such a bad thing imo as long as we have claims (and obviously not this early on) in order to prevent stagnation and force immediate responses to the flip out of people who are present.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
Sky Paladin (5): NekoNekoRex, ActionDan, Serela, Sacchi Hikaru, Kingault
Kingault (2): Bardiche, Sky Paladin
SB (1): Shadoweh
Conqueror (0):
Serela (0):
Zakeri (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
Shadoweh (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
ActionDan (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Zakeri, BT, SB

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

You have ~63.6 hours remaining.

[NekoNekoRex]

Hmmm, yeah, that's true, but I'd also want to wait a day or something so that everyone's able to get into their most active time.

Responding to SB's first posts of D2:

If i wanted CF7 alive, he would still be alive. My vote change basically made a Serela lynch impossible and sealed CF7's fate as the D1 lynch, alongside other stuff.

I could see it as last minute bus cred.

I read him wrong I guess? It just felt like a repeat of last game where CF7 got D1 lynched and I actually didn't see his posts as scummy (bad, yes, but not scummy.) Also my scumplay is filled with bussing so I don't think I'd bother trying to hard defend him?

I take this kind of thing with a grain of salt, exactly because of what was just demonstrated, though. CF7 didn't play into whatever 'meta' he had, and he flipped scum.

Oh yeah, and do you all think that the first thing CF7 would do was rolefish his own scumbuddy?

I could argue RVS, I guess. Probably one of the more valid points, though. I guess you got me there.

Your 374 at least has promising reads. I've been having gut on BT but couldn't really parse his posts well enough to justify much. I'm on the fence about Bard though for other reasons.

Kingault: Have any other reads? Literally anything that says you're efforting would probably help you at this point.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Kingault has requested a replacement. If one is not found by the end of the day, the playerslot will be modkilled.

[Kingault]

Yeah I just can't seem to come up with anything. Not sure whether it's due to a lack of experience. or... dunno.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

O4rfish replaces Kingault, effective immediately.

[O4rfish]

##Unvote

[Bardiche]

##Unvote
##Vote: O4rfish

Bookkeeping, keeping my vote on the same slot.

Shadoweh, how do you feel about the argument that the first action CF7 did was rolefish his partner? Does it make sense to you that CF7 would have rolefished his partner so blatantly?