Author Topic: Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4 (Read 158438 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #270 on:** March 10, 2014, 01:58:45 AM »

...Last game being Villain Anonymafia 2.

Conqueror · « **Reply #271 on:** March 10, 2014, 01:59:55 AM »

Quote from: ActionDan on March 10, 2014, 12:22:16 AM

Conq, ever since shadoweh said the newbie (sacchi) and serela were town, I've been shadoweh a town read. So...

It's not a hard position to take. No one is really contesting Sacchi town and even if Shadoweh called Serela town no one would listen to her anyway. One read is just one read anyway. What about the rest of her play?

Bardiche · « **Reply #272 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:04:09 AM »

SB:
So SB's first vote is on NNR for being too tryhard, a sentiment which is kind of retarded because it relies on NNR being scum to hold any water. I feel like he spent most of the Day just sitting on his NNR vote while not taking stock in anyone else's cases and never tried really hard to do anything with that vote. He's got the entire "post without contributing much" down pat, especially considering he doesn't even mention or revisit his NNR vote again. His observation regarding Sky Paladin is original, however, and I think it holds water. I don't think he's the scum we're looking for.

Shadoweh:
Don't see scummy yet, if it does, I'll jump on it (paraphrased) sounds like opportunism and there you have it. The sad part is that all posts thereafter are nothing about CF7 other than "whole post is terrible" and "hey look at CF7". While it would behoove her to actually explain why his actions are terrible and how it supports a scum agenda instead of going, "It's terrible, look at it", I can't say I actually expect Shadoweh to do that. It's hard not being an ass when you want to be honest, too.

Also that's actually all Shadoweh's done. Say people are Town and vote CF7. There's other stuff but it's so minor and unimportant that I can only say I don't think Shadoweh's contributed, but I feel this way any time I play with her. So on the one hand Shadoweh is all according to Meta and on the other hand she could coast by Day 1 as Scum on that meta alone and that makes me queasy.

If there's animo to lynch Shadoweh I'd probably vote her but to be absolutely honest I can't say she's acting any more scummy than she normally does.

Hilarious realisation: Sky Paladin, Serela, Shadoweh, SB. I hate the letter S, apparently.

Re-read done and I'd consolidate on SB or Serela, but people are free to explain to me just how CF7 is being scummy outside of what I can only see as clueless newbie behaviour. SB iterates that CF7 is not a newbie, but I can't help but see him as an adorable little duckling floundering around in the wrong pool.

Cut a lot. Shadoweh, I want to say you're Town by quoting your posts but I can't find any Towniness there.

Halp, should I lynch you now?

Bardiche · « **Reply #273 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:04:52 AM »

Conq:
Please quote previous examples of Kingault's meta? (GASP, SHOCK, AWE) In my time away I've learnt to appreciate the value of meta.

Conqueror · « **Reply #274 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:07:08 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 10, 2014, 01:22:37 AM

It looks like the only excuse being used not to keep voting CF7 is that he's a newbie being wagoned, which has nothing to do with CF7 himself and more to do with everyone's white-knight instincts and hating the newbies for voting dumb.

I am voting CF7 because I can though. Are you hard-defending your buddy this game? I still don't have a townread on you either and it would be super to actually catch you without vig shots or cops for once. RE: Hounding, I'm trying to remember what game it was with Hero999. I've done it to Serelascum before too. I don't like unvoting until the person actually gives a reason, and I don't see CF7's responses as town that cares. I am not voteparking, that would imply I don't have a scumread on who I'm voting (which sometimes I do). There is no one I am more inclined to lynch right now.

Seriously, the more I read this the madder I get. The only excuse to not vote CF7 is that he's a newbie voting dumb. Which means he's scum why exactly? When did Shadoweh the newbie defender become Shadoweh the newbie destroyer?

Also, that is not what voteparking means. Voteparking means parking your vote. It's not inherently scummy to votepark, it depends on how you do it. :V

Conqueror · « **Reply #275 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:09:31 AM »

@Bard
Here were his posts in his first game. Granted, it was anon, but it's still a point of comparison.
http://mafia.getonpictochat.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=37

Bardiche · « **Reply #276 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:17:40 AM »

Fair enough. Do you think Kingault then is worse than Shadoweh? What makes you vote Kingault over Shadoweh?

Conqueror · « **Reply #277 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:19:24 AM »

Deadline is in like 9 hours. I'm not going to vote Sky at this stage, I think. Bard, I read your case on Serela, and my conclusion is kinda similar to yours on Shadoweh actually; I don't think he's any scummier than he usually is. I'll go over Serela again by the end of the day but I don't think I'll vote there either.

I would do CF7 for consolidation purposes partially because so many people are hung up over him and partially because if he actually turns out to be scum there are a few people pushing his wagon I'd be more comfortable calling for sure town (notably NNR). Also I guess I'm not completely sure about CF7 but I'll be damned if the way Shadoweh is approaching that wagon isn't skeevy as all out.
So I would prefer one of Shadoweh/Kingault right now.

Conqueror · « **Reply #278 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:23:48 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on March 10, 2014, 02:17:40 AM

Fair enough. Do you think Kingault then is worse than Shadoweh? What makes you vote Kingault over Shadoweh?

If we're not taking to account player skill/experience, yes. People can harp about CF7 not producing content of value but as a comparison Kingault's done even less, and his content in the past 24 hours has been essentially "I just don't really care whether I get lynched or not because I doubt I'll come up with anything of value." when he wasn't even a leading target for the lynch.

Conqueror · « **Reply #279 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:25:49 AM »

It's a massive overreaction to nonpressure, and it's not like Kingault isn't around to post. Hey Kingault, what do you think of the game now?

Also if Kingault flips scum I'd turbolynch Shadoweh.

Kingault · « **Reply #280 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:34:06 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on March 10, 2014, 02:25:49 AM

It's a massive overreaction to nonpressure, and it's not like Kingault isn't around to post. Hey Kingault, what do you think of the game now?

Also if Kingault flips scum I'd turbolynch Shadoweh.

My reading(not literal reading, of course) ability seems to have gone to jack. I just can't seem to think about what actions might be scummy or not.
I do like this recent turn of events, however.
I'll be in bed in an hour or so and won't wake up until like 40-50min before D1 ends, and I have to leave 30min or so before it ends, so.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #281 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:38:59 AM »

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh.

Shadoweh, you basically went on and on about Conq and Kingault on your 265 and yet you're voting CF7 "because there's no one you'd rather lynch right now", despite basically saying that his posts are just lazy, not scummy.

It's a really weak reason to be voting him, especially when you said you also find Kingault scummy, so why do you keep your vote on CF7 and not Kingault?

Conqueror · « **Reply #282 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:44:23 AM »

Quote from: Kingault on March 10, 2014, 02:34:06 AM

My reading(not literal reading, of course) ability seems to have gone to jack. I just can't seem to think about what actions might be scummy or not.
I do like this recent turn of events, however.
I'll be in bed in an hour or so and won't wake up until like 40-50min before D1 ends, and I have to leave 30min or so before it ends, so.

Okay. If you're town here, just give your thoughts on the game. It doesn't matter if you think it doesn't make much sense. Do you have any opinions on people?

Kingault · « **Reply #283 on:** March 10, 2014, 02:46:54 AM »

Not really. Give me a sec.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #284 on:** March 10, 2014, 03:34:55 AM »

Quote

PS: I keep seeing calls for reasons CF7 is scum (sad clown apathy has already been cited here) so I'm going to reverse it and ask you again why anyone thinks CF7 is town, using words CF7 himself has posted.

Ew, this statement reeks of fallacy. We're looking for reasons to lynch people, not reasons to not lynch people.

That's not a good mindset to have.

Kingault · « **Reply #285 on:** March 10, 2014, 03:46:07 AM »

Yeah I got nothing.

Well I'm not sure about NNR's latest statement.
That might be a thing.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #286 on:** March 10, 2014, 03:47:03 AM »

The game keeps going on but my reads aren't changing, except that I don't really want to lynch Serela, and that people are using meta to drive a wagon for whatever reason.

Although I have to admit Kingault's being pretty apathetic too. I wish he'd try.

cut by - my statement or what Shadoweh did?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #287 on:** March 10, 2014, 03:49:47 AM »

Conq: If you want to use meta, don't you think a newbscum!Kingault would be a little bit more energetic? Being scum certainly excites me.

Serela · « **Reply #288 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:01:26 AM »

1.Procrastinate thinking about mafia while doing other things
2.Continue Step 1 until it's past midnight and you're really tired
3.

??
4.Profit (?)

I do this a lot `-`

Serela · « **Reply #289 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:02:14 AM »

GOD DAMMIT SMILIES

Debating whether I want to "consolidate" on SB or Shadoweh. I'm too tired to go past this level of thought and SkyPal's wagon doesn't seem likely to go anywhere.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #290 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:03:22 AM »

Votecount
Serela (5): Bardiche, Zakeri, CF7, SB, Sky Paladin
CF7 (4): NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, BT, Kingault
Sky Paladin (1): Serela
BT (1): DrRawr
Zakeri (1): ActionDan
Kingault (1): Conqueror
Shadoweh (1): Sacchi Hikaru
NekoNekoRex (0):
Dr Rawr (0):
ActionDan (0):
SB (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
Conqueror (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting:
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

You have ~8 hours remaining.

Kingault · « **Reply #291 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:07:06 AM »

Wait when did Serela get 5 votes?
I thought it was Shadoweh who got an increasing number of votes.
Did I fail to read?

Serela · « **Reply #292 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:15:01 AM »

At least two of them are from people who immediately voted me after Dormio said "If there was a day action, I'd have announced it", before he added "um well actually if it failed I probably wouldn't have announced it". They never unvoted. :T

It's funny that I'm the biggest wagon when it seems like most people are going "Uh why is there seriously a Serela wagon" and even some of the people voting me only did so because of what Dormio said, which was quickly taken back.

Suddenly I realize I might need to vote CF7 just so there isn't a "Well we don't have a choice!" lynch on me while I'm sleeping. >_>;

Conqueror · « **Reply #293 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:15:49 AM »

Quote from: Prims-like on March 10, 2014, 03:49:47 AM

Conq: If you want to use meta, don't you think a newbscum!Kingault would be a little bit more energetic? Being scum certainly excites me.

I hate being scum. Some people like being scum.

The idea here is that a newb!scum Kingault here wouldn't know how to fake cases on people, as opposed to last game where he could form opinions.

Conqueror · « **Reply #294 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:17:22 AM »

I'd lynch CF7 over Serela. Bardiche's vote is the only Serela vote that is even mildly redeemable (and I still disagree with it anyway).

More scum than mafia.

Conqueror · « **Reply #295 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:20:21 AM »

Quote from: Kingault on March 10, 2014, 03:46:07 AM

Yeah I got nothing.

Well I'm not sure about NNR's latest statement.
That might be a thing.

If you can't make a single opinion about the game, maybe explain why you're playing this game so differently than your first? Your inability to come up with anything is suspect; I know you're totally capable of the English language.

ActionDan · « **Reply #296 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:20:45 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on March 10, 2014, 04:17:22 AM

I'd lynch CF7 over Serela.

me too

Serela · « **Reply #297 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:22:26 AM »

Yeah, I have to go to bed and I can't seriously hope for any of the other non-cf7 wagons to go through whilst currently sitting at 1 vote and questionable support.

Even though my own wagon is a travesty built on Zak who never came back after I started posting, two people who voted me off of what Dormio said and didn't change vote after he corrected it, and the other major wagoned person who literally just seemed to pick a card out of the "these people are being considered scummy" and left. Which, as I said, really kind of hurt my attitude of thinking he was null rather than scummy. >_>;

Cut by Conq also saying how Bard is the only not-terrible vote on my wagon. Yeah. It would be really depressing to get deadline lynched with this.

##unvote ##Vote CF7

Kingault · « **Reply #298 on:** March 10, 2014, 04:26:21 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on March 10, 2014, 04:20:21 AM

If you can't make a single opinion about the game, maybe explain why you're playing this game so differently than your first? Your inability to come up with anything is suspect; I know you're totally capable of the English language.

Wish I knew.

Conqueror · « **Reply #299 on:** March 10, 2014, 05:58:10 AM »

:colonveeplusalpha:
I can't do this anymore. Take me back to my dream world.

Forgot to insist that Serela fullclaim before he left. Now he's probably gone to sleep. Who knows if CF7 will be back before deadline. I'll only be up for another hour or so, not going to ruin my sleep schedule for mafia again because the last time I did that was so productive.