Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3  (Read 95074 times)

SB

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #510 on: January 14, 2014, 09:55:22 PM »
Lynching scum is necessary to win though, and if a real doc didn't CC then DNA could just coast to endgame and we would lose.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #511 on: January 14, 2014, 10:06:47 PM »
Geez, that's was quicker than I expected it,^^; and to be honest, I feel a bit unprepared. So I'll need some time to get into the game but here is what my unreliable memory has to offer:

Unfortunately is the only thing that I can recall about day one, the fact that the later two of the three main wagons claimed major roles and that I was wondering that there wasn't even the slightest doubt about them. You can call me a nonbeliever but here is were I start.

Vote:  Darkninjaabc
You could call it gut but it's mostly a placeholder till I had the time to iso him.

Next in line to my interest are Zakeri and Shadoweh, mostly because I doesn?t remember anything they did.

So, with that out of the way I'll go to catch up with the 100+ hours of game so far.

PS: I try to answer questions but I may have to look into the matter first, so don't expect the anwer quickly.
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Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #512 on: January 14, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
That is true.

Darkie, once you wake up, could you please state exactly what your role allows you to do so that any other protective roles know what they're counterclaiming? Without any small lies, please.

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Raikaria

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #513 on: January 14, 2014, 10:23:15 PM »
Votecount of the Party at the Masterwork Stone Table engraved with Cheese

Dorian (3): Conq;  Zakeri; CF7
Darkninjaabc (3): Shadoweh;  Cheez8; Dorian
Conq (1): Darkninjaabc
CF7 (1): SB

Not Voting (2): Serela; O4rfish

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140117T0953&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+2


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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #514 on: January 15, 2014, 12:03:31 AM »
I don't have time to make more super-aweesome posts for a few hours but I'm reading. And/or also seeing more reasons to keep voting DNA if I'm reading things right.


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SB

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #515 on: January 15, 2014, 12:20:45 AM »
how is the fact that 3+ kills happened last night a reason to distrust the uncced doc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #516 on: January 15, 2014, 12:34:13 AM »
Maybe you should read a little closer?


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Dorian White

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #517 on: January 15, 2014, 12:41:55 AM »
Well, that read kind of ? disturbing, I don't even know where to begin here and I'm running out of time, so I leave the actually case for tomorrow. But there is one thing I would like you to think about till then.
We know about two successful kills, one supposed kill attempt and a mod confirmed vig shoot that failed. No one claimed to be responsible for one of them, so I think we can rule out another town killing role. Which leaves the conditional extra scum kill and that leads to the question, ?
...
but since its conditional why would it be fufilled n1. ...
I may not know many conditional scum roles but the last one I saw had, among others, the condition to hammer someone, does it ring a bell?
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O4rfish

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #518 on: January 15, 2014, 12:54:31 AM »
DNA and/or CF7 may be goblin, but I know who shot JR Conq.
It's probably the SK. Should we vote for them over a possible goblin lynch?
[9:49:09] <Purvis> Generally not, but your mother may be an exception.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #519 on: January 15, 2014, 01:06:10 AM »
...Yes? If you think you caught one of the killers who isn't Sky p. you should out them, since it doesn't sound like anyone is going to take credit for the kills anytime soon.


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O4rfish

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #520 on: January 15, 2014, 01:11:08 AM »
...Yes? If you think you caught one of the killers who isn't Sky p. you should out them, since it doesn't sound like anyone is going to take credit for the kills anytime soon.

It's you, Shadoweh.
[9:49:09] <Purvis> Generally not, but your mother may be an exception.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #521 on: January 15, 2014, 01:16:46 AM »
I'm sorry, what?


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O4rfish

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #522 on: January 15, 2014, 01:21:48 AM »
Night 1. Standard investigative practice says follow the towniest dwarf who doesn't have a huge chance of dying, in order to hopefully clear their name. Following a waffler like Serela or a lurker like NNR would do no good. Following someone like ActionDan or SkyPaladin had a high chance of being useless. So I followed you, and saw you visit Conqueror.

I wanted you to claim an investigative role. I practically begged you to claim anything other than SK. At this point, I didn't care even if you were the SK, because I wanted to lynch goblins. But, here we are.
[9:49:09] <Purvis> Generally not, but your mother may be an exception.

Shadoweh

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #523 on: January 15, 2014, 01:25:56 AM »
Pfft, why would I investigate Conq on Night 1? I'd be more likely to get his role from his role pm in the morning. That's really weird though because I didn't target Conq last night.


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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #524 on: January 15, 2014, 01:32:22 AM »
Apparently SOMEONE got busdriven, isn't this game ~*~fun~*~!

Or there's people being bold liars, that's also "fun"

Stuffing my face with caramel filled cookies maybe I'll read cf7 later
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #525 on: January 15, 2014, 01:56:21 AM »
So who did you target then?
This might actually prove that there's a busdriver in the setup which in turn helps prove Dark's thingy.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #526 on: January 15, 2014, 03:16:44 AM »
Ugh do I really have to do this
I'd rather not talk about what I was doing, it won't give us any more real information.


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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #527 on: January 15, 2014, 03:21:47 AM »
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #528 on: January 15, 2014, 03:36:34 AM »
...
And why exactly not? According to Oarfish, Shadoweh ended up visiting Conq, who claimed somebody tried to kill him. Correct me if I'm wrong but that doesn't seem like the sort of thing you handwave because somebody doesn't feel like bothering with it.
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #529 on: January 15, 2014, 03:52:15 AM »
If Shadoweh claims and is a half-decent PR then we may as well just massclaim, because the scum would already know about several powerful town PRs to go after, and the cop and doc and vig and tracker and BP (basically all the standard powerful PRs) are already claimed. >_>;

Like, you don't massclaim immediately so scum don't know who the important PRs are, so they can't disable them all.

We already have 3 powerful town PRs claimed and alive, and 2 powerful PRs dead, so A.How many can there really be?! and B.The rest being out in the open stops being much of a further detriment to town then we're already at.

There's benefits to massclaiming, such as scum all being locked into their fakeclaim (which is risky) or being VT. Obviously, if we do this, town shouldn't fakeclaim VT under any circumstances.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #530 on: January 15, 2014, 04:04:25 AM »
...I kind of can't tell whether you're advocating a massclaim or saying we shouldn't massclaim yet and Shadoweh shouldn't need to claim right now.

One way or another, we'll need to start pressing people sooner or later if we want to find mafia and Shadoweh sounds like a pretty good starting point (Darkie too but he's not back yet)
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #531 on: January 15, 2014, 04:09:06 AM »
The more I think about it, yeah, massclaiming immediately is actually a really good idea. Supposedly all the really good town PRs should already be out, and even if they aren't, scum already have their choices of a doc and tracker to screw with and know Shadoweh has something. (I'm working on the assumption everyone in the game is town, which is dumb and obviously not true, but the easiest way to go about this for the moment)

So scum already has their hands full enough that the reasons you DON'T massclaim are kind of out of the way.

Shadoweh just go ahead and claim, even if people don't agree on massclaim, anyone who apparently targetted Conq is auto-suspicious. I don't particularly think you're scum right now but I'm starting to realize we should massclaim anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Assuming massclaim is A-OK then the people after Shadoweh should be CF7 then maybe Dorian or Zakeri, then Cheeze, then SB and Me. That's only my super biased opinion, though.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #532 on: January 15, 2014, 04:13:45 AM »
Assuming massclaim is A-OK then the people after Shadoweh should be CF7 then maybe Dorian or Zakeri, then Cheeze, then SB and Me. That's only my super biased opinion, though.
In that order, I take it?
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Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #533 on: January 15, 2014, 04:14:28 AM »
answer: yes. That's what the word "then" indicates, Cheez.  :derp:
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #534 on: January 15, 2014, 04:15:24 AM »
I only recently realized than was a real word and not just a mispelling of then, so I'm not terribly familiar with which you use where ;_;
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #535 on: January 15, 2014, 05:06:36 AM »
Real quick post for now. With cop/vig dead and tracker/doc claimed massclaim right now seems like a good idea. Let's take this all the way aww yeah.


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Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #536 on: January 15, 2014, 05:14:56 AM »
...At this rate I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up falling asleep before I get the chance to claim. Welp.

Be back in the morning!
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Shadoweh

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #537 on: January 15, 2014, 05:36:59 AM »
I'm waiting for Raikaria to clarify something so you'll have to hold onto your butts


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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #538 on: January 15, 2014, 05:50:01 AM »
I am back.

Skimmed everything real quick which is generally okay. But I feel that some fundamental concepts are not clear so that there are alot of silly crack theories from the scumteam dorian/cf7/shadow. I am am convinced now that conq isn't the sk. but zak is actually the sk instead. Massclaim is awesome and I am okay with it completely, but the thing is that shadoweh and cf and dorian being scums and all would definitely not cooperate.

But hey, since Dark is here and he walls where are his analysis? Good point, because I am gonna do analysis right now.
AKA roleshens, I am feeling mashocistic enough to do this finally, after like 2 cups of coffee and 20 balls of screwed paper.
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WHAT HAPPENED IN N1
1. I PROTECTED CONQ
2. CONQ BPV TRIGGERED
3.OARFISH TRACKED SHADOWEH, SEES HIM VISIT CONQ
4.SKY PALADIN DIED BEFORE HE COULD VIG
5.ACTIONDAN DIED
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WHAT HAS LIKELY HAPPENED FROM N1 ALSO
1. I got roleblocked.
----Firstly, let's address this big problem, the existence of a roleblocker, at least one. Simply due to the fact that there are revealed unlimited cop, unlimited vig and unlimited doc (sans small restriction on self protecting), now even a tracker. By modding philosophy there must at least be one godfather/busdriver/roleblocker. On top of the very possible rolecop for scouting by scum.

Therefore the scum PRs are something like this
Roleblock and busdrive fusion/rolecop/godfather (with possible X-shot strongman)

The balance may change a bit, but that's pretty much it. We can maybe have roleblock and busdrive being separated on different players but they exist, and they must be used, that's enough for this point.

So now we have known that from balance there has to be scum PR that can interfere with town actions. We come to the second point.

Secondly, is it possible for me to lie? I have been called as lying. But never with clear reasons why, I even kindly supplemented reasons for those people who just shout pointlessly (doc may not exist, both conq/dark are scum), theorized every scenario and demolished those silly arguments. You know what, for your goddamn sake so that you can understand everything in one sitting, I am going through all those silly accusations again.

No doc exist is retarded given confirmed sk from setup, confirmed vig from town and factional scum and town kill. Resulting in four kills per day/night cycle. IF we factor in the worse possible scenario where town mislynch and claimed vig got redirected it would be 4 anti town nightkills in a single night. Jailkeep is also retarded (I am bringing this up as pre amp against more scum crack gambit because I can't help to do this later and frustrate myself). While one doc isn't enough for such a setup, we have a one shot bp. Moreover, if the aforementioned worse possible scenario did happen it would force a massclaim, pretty much like its now. Then town would basically  be able to toy with scum with two blockers given most docs would self protect d1 if they can do it and the same goes to jailkeep.

In conclusion, conq must not be lying because of its specificness of the role he claims, and I am not lying because its just impossible for me to lie.

Which brings us to the second rubbish consipracy against me

2. Doc exist but hasn't claimed, Dark is lying entirely about blocks.
For god's sake, I misunderstood BP as enabler. My assumption was entirely off the bat and if I were lying it would show balantly after I was corrected of my mistake. Example like directly contradicting material. Even when I worked with a questionable intial assumption I poured every ounce of truth and told everyone ''I targetted conq'', going the hard way where scum can and is now still pushing me for ''HE SHOT CONQ!''. I guess its possible, but with the amount of rapidfire content I am dishing out and pretty much walls and walls of analysis involved in each one. I can hardly imagine even Kilga would be able to manage to not screw up. I never did screw up even when I am throwing out so much. Why? Because I am telling facts. Facts cannot be contradictory. I hope you have remembered the silly jabs to discredit the CLAIMED DOC by cf7 and shadoweh, which were literally, pointless. They either extracted minor bits of my walls without regard for anything which follows and go ''hey this is wrong you are scum'', and when I defended myself and accused them they just slink away and ignored me entirely. Oh, and they are also dropping their votes first thing on me, the CLAIMED DOC d1 when it could very well be lylo tomorrow.

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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #539 on: January 15, 2014, 05:52:57 AM »
Okay I realized I derailed myself literally and went from ''roleshens'' to defending myself.

The set of numerals I used to mark my post is wrong, there is still only point one. The seemingly point 2 should be the second reason for the first point further proving why I cannot be lying and was roleblocked and the accusations flying around are not trustworthy and rubbish anyway.
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