I'm going back and forth on NNR's declaration because I think a Mitsuki/NNR/??? scum team could guess I'd come out guns blazing against Mitsuki today (which I admit I was planning on doing) and perhaps decided to pull this stunt to get me to look elsewhere? This is based on a lot of role speculation, though, and probably a degree of paranoia on top of that. There's also a lingering degree of massive irritation at the idea that all of Shadowy, Mitsuki, and NNR could be town, particularly given I think Dormio is likelier to be town than scum with that hammer.
I also didn't get a chance to do the rereading or case-response-writing I wanted to do overnight, since the day opened 4 hours earlier than I expected and zapped almost all of the free time I had to actually do those things.
So let us try this.
##Vote: Cheez8In taking a look back through D2, a lot of his time seemed spend just kind of bantering about stuff that was technically game-relevant but not actually scum-hunting. I remembered throughout the day that he existed because he posted a fair amount, but looking in-depth at the posts shows a lack of scumhunting substance. This also inspired me to go back and look through his voting history, and boy is this bad. Here's the Day 1 evolution of his Dormio suspicions in quote form, as gathered in chronological order of all the posts I could find with meaningful mention of Dormio in them:
Dormio: It's still something small and I get how I could be wrong here, but bringing up a point against Serela for not having forming an opinion at a time when there generally weren't good opinions to form is a bit iffy to me. Mostly because I was basically in the same boat at that point, and seeing someone called out for that made me indignant or something.
Dormio- I still suspect him.
Wow, these sort of Day Ones are more interesting than I thought. Harder, too. I've gone back through the thread a couple times and there's not much I can conclude. All of Kilga's posts, most of SB's posts and some of Darkie's posts make me think "scum", and several of Serela's posts and Darkie's posts make me think "town". That's more or less the limit to what I can gather, at least without a little bit more information. I don't really think I was right in suspecting Dormio anymore, and Paladin is still hard to read but I'm more inclined to see him as town right now. Shadoweh isn't contributing nearly as much as others are (probably less than Validon, though without as many words to show for it) and that has me a little worried.
I have no idea when I'm going to stop going back and forth on everybody in the entire game like this, but I know that at least SOME of these opinions are worth mentioning.
I guess I'll just be vaguely suspicious of Kilga for the time being. Kind of glad to see Darkie's not voting for a null read anymore.
(Important to note: There is no mention of Dormio between the above post and the below post)
Okay so quickly reading through what I missed, both Dormio and Serela seem like people I wouldn't really have an issue with lynching now.
I wonder what it says when there are two people arguing against each other and I feel like I could lynch both of them. Probably just that I'm not too good at this.
Dormio: I went through an ISO on him earlier and things didn't really look good. I would have no problems following a Dormio wagon if one got off the ground.
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There you go. I'd happily vote for Kilga, Dormio or Shadoweh in order to end the day, or maybe even one of the four I ruled out if a wagon somehow suddenly forms for one of them, but people are gonna have to start agreeing first. And CF7, SB... get those votes off Darkie already.
Actually, you know what, I'll help spur things along here.
##Vote: Dormio
Oh whatever, I'll hope against hope and leave my vote there for the time being, but if Shadoweh's wagon picks up steam or if we really aren't going to get a lynch any other way I'll switch my vote over to her or Serela.
(For context, this is said after another respoonse to Polaris asking Cheez about the viability of a Dormio wagon)
So Serela's posted enough for
##Unvote
and probably just about enough for a Serela vote soon if he keeps misrepresenting Dormio's posts like this.
(This doesn't actually mention Dormio - though he does say a couple of things to Dormio earlier in the post - but it's where the vote is dropped, so I thought it should be included. Cheez also does not mention or interact with Dormio at any point for the rest of the game day.)
So, to summarize, Cheez had some initial suspicion of Dormio for a fairly ED1 thing. No big deal, ED1's hard for everyone. He eventually drops it (third quote). Then then, right after that, Dormio is suddenly suspicious again, for...well, no apparent reason, really. Certainly no reason is given! It can't be the first reason, that got expressly dropped and it wasn't brought up again. Whatever these mysterious unstated reasons are, they're apparently enough to warrant a vote for Dormio, which he then clings to when it is pointed out that a Dormio wagon is unlikely. Hoping for something to magically happen to Dormio, instead of, y'know,
actually pushing the Dormio case. No attempt whatsoever is put into support the vote or encouraging people to look at Dormio as a viable lynch candidate. I think I've already established in this game where I stand on votes like this!
And then there's his first post of Day 2:
Honestly Dormio still sticks out to me as one of the biggest offenders out of the Serela votes (and town in general but especially in light of Serela's flip.) Maybe Validon or PX too but it's not like either of them have really posted enough so far.
I'm also secretly hoping Darkie says something incriminating beyond a doubt because he really does not inspire confidence as a townie. It'd be really convenient for him to slip up but sadly he can only really slip up and prove he's scum if he's scum and that's kind of a long shot.
This bothers me on two levels - Dormio is suddenly a viable candidate again after being dropped without comment the previous day, and the use of "still", which implies it's a continuation of the case that was never actually substantiated and eventually dropped without comment.
After this is when we get the whole bunch of posts that don't contain any real scumhunting (unless you want to count
#526, which I don't really, since it's based on a somewhat sketchy litmus test, isn't pushed with a vote, and is dropped about an hour later). The function they seem to serve the most is to remind people that Cheez exists. They're very "I'm helping!
" posts. I'm not linking them or commenting on any individually because I don't think there's any real need to - you can use the link in the quote from his first D2 post and just start reading his posts from there, it's pretty self-evident.
His Dormio vote finally comes in over 36 hours after the day begins in
#599, and, once again, it's not substantiated at all. We don't get those until
#613, and they are:
- The ED1 thing Cheez first suspected way back when that was eventually dropped
- A mention of a comment Dormio made about Cheez when voting for Serela which ends up becoming an entire paragraph that doesn't tell why Dormio is scum for it
- An accusation of fluffposting, which tries to highlight a specific post as an example and ironically links to a post that, despite being diminutive in volume, actually contains more opinions on why certain players are scum than Cheez's entire game library of posts up to this point
The middle of those posts is the only thing that's possibly relevant (voting mid-D2 on an ED1 thing you dropped on D1 is rofl, and the fluffposting accusation flies like a lead balloon), and ultimately Dormio explains what he meant in a way I can get behind in claiming Cheez was defending Serela.
The end of the Cheez/Dormio argument is in
#635, where Cheez can't form a solid opinion of Dormio based on Day 2 happenings. Seriously, read that last paragraph and look at how completely up in the air it is. No solid conclusion whatsoever. So hey, there's some more non-opinions. And there's no more scum hjunting for the rest of the day (the vote for me is, surprise surprise, completely unexplained).
So Cheez's entire game has been almost zero scumhunting, zero casepushing, and one absolute lame duck of an attempt at a case. At this point in the game we know Cheez thinks Dormio could be scum for bad/no reasons, that I could be scum (or could have been scum prior to NNR's statement, noting the cut) for no reasons, and that's it.
This post took several hours to write and got cut by a Cheez post that, again, contains no scumhunting. (Though it does contain some useless cheerleading.) Two days of a near-total lack of substantiated opinions, no explained votes, and no attempts to push his alleged scumreads as viable lynch candidates is every indication of scum.
