Quick response to Cheez8's accusations.
The first post of his that made me suspicious was #80, where he casually points out how Serela didn't develop an opinion yet. This was still pretty early in Day 1, at a time when remotely serious discussion had only begun less than a page ago. First, "no good opinions as of yet" was an ENTIRELY valid stance at the time, though that's not the point. It would be one thing if Dormio had outright accused Serela of being scummy for this- if that was the case, Dormio would be protected with the "bad play =/= scummy play" argument. But he didn't. Instead what he did was bring up a point that could spur people to keep an eye on Serela without making a case out of it himself. That's what really makes this feel like a scummy move to me: bringing up a (flawed) point against Serela without pushing it so that he could get people to start suspecting a townie without being pegged as the person who started making cases against him.
Uh, I was in class at the time, which is not the best environment for playing mafia and writing up cases since I'm trying to write down notes.
If you read you'll see that I mentioned this and said that I would be posting properly once I got home.
Notice how I voted Serela once I got home.
Also, I refute your argument that Serela not developing an opinion was alright.
Why do you believe this to be the case?
As you mention yourself, there was some serious discussion starting and to simply respond by saying the equivalent of "I DON'T WANT TO READ WORDS TO FORM OPINIONS" is pretty scummy in my eyes.
Sometime shortly afterwards when he votes for Serela he says that me "buddying pretty hard to Serela raises a lot of eyebrows" even though I don't think I really buddied with Serela that hard (or at all.) The closest I came to that at the time was when I brought up the first post I mentioned here and pointed out that he's pointed this out about Serela at a time where I could reasonably expect a similar stance from about half the people playing the game. There was a second mention of this when I mentioned some people I had slight suspicions about at that point but that was it. I made no direct mentions of Serela in those posts, and no mention at all otherwise.
I don't see why you're trying to cover yourself so much here.
Like, this post is supposed to be about why you suspect me, right?
So why is the entirety of this paragraph an explanation for your own behaviours?
Also, why are you trying to distance yourself from the buddying accusations with weak claims like "I made no direct mention of Serela in those posts" when it's painfully obvious who you're referring to?
A lot of his posts from there on are replying to or accusing Serela for a while. He also starts trying to look like he's making useful comments in the meantime with posts like this one but this sort of thing isn't contribution so much as plain old observation or things that don't contribute anything at all. This is what "fluff" means, isn't it? I think examples like that post are really helping me fully grasp the terms you guys use here.
(He also says things including but not limited to "other people covered it so I won't mention it" in that post. I don't think things like that are sufficient grounds to suspect anybody but apparently a bunch of you do, as well as Dormio himself sometimes, so here you go! Feast away.)
Uh, I don't get what you're trying to say here.
What's so bad about me trying to get Serela lynched?
And so you don't think that an observation about how CF7 was setting himself up to jump onto wagons if they happen while not delivering any actual content of his own is fluff? Okay.
I nearly brought up both the way he was pushing the wagon really hard to get it rolling and the way he clammed up and let other people finish accusing Serela for him at the end, but then I realized I was doing that thing where everything somebody does looks like a scumtell if you assume they're scum first. Thinking about it again, pushing somebody you think is scum is completely fine and I GUESS it's okay to drop it and let other people finish up once you feel like you're finished doing your part, but staying quiet for the full last four or five pages of Day 1 seems like a little much. There was a point where one or two people unvoted Serela and it looked like the wagon could turn around. I'd think that a townie going after someone they believe to be scum would be less concerned with how they look or the fact that they're drawing attention to themselves and more concerned about the possibility that a member of the scumteam could get off the hook.
I kind of wasn't there.
Also, how does that last sentence even make sense?
Serela kind of flipped town.
Assuming that I were scum like you say I am, how could it possibly be the case that my disappearance at the end of D1 was an attempt to save my scumbuddy Serela?
Anyway, back to making :wikipedia: about Swadomeh.
