Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 68164 times)

Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #900 on: September 27, 2013, 09:01:37 AM »
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why don't you say it first?

2 scum remaining, who's to say I'm not covering a scumbuddy/using them as a cover story?

Anyway, you're a jailer. You kidnap people. With passion.

Possibly also chloroform.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #901 on: September 27, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »
Yeah that I am. It's not futile to town though?? Especially if you're aware of who you're targeting.

My role's name is Town Kidnapper. This was a crumb. This was a hilarious reply to a crumb. My first post in this thread was me venting about being a protective role for 50%+ of my town games or some unholy shit.

I was confused after N3 because it was my second time failing to save someone despite my action connecting. (BBM) First time was with HW on N1. Thought it was a oneshot strongman but now I'm just ???. N2 I targeted BBM and N4 I targeted Serela. Considered targeting some dudes I thought were scum in recent nights but decided I'd rather play it safe because fuck 50% chances.

ftr I know I wasn't redirected in any of those nights because Shadoweh specifically mentioned that I stuffed <dude> into closet. So I'm feeling a bit trolled.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #902 on: September 27, 2013, 09:14:37 AM »
I'll ask you again to claim what you did each night.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #903 on: September 27, 2013, 09:35:10 AM »
Did you also fall asleep to their muffled screams?

And do you mind picking the next claimant before I claim all my nightly activities and make it about me?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #904 on: September 27, 2013, 09:48:53 AM »
Did you also fall asleep to their muffled screams?
No. The flavor isn't always the same, Shadoweh does whatever she feels like.

And do you mind picking the next claimant before I claim all my nightly activities and make it about me?
Conq's the only one left and he won't be here for a while?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #905 on: September 27, 2013, 10:12:22 AM »
Serelaiest?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #906 on: September 27, 2013, 11:01:25 AM »
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #907 on: September 27, 2013, 11:10:29 AM »
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #908 on: September 27, 2013, 12:16:49 PM »
I can confirm Dormio is either Actually a Backup or a scum with a role he's used pretty creatively and did some pretty ballsy lying, andI have a town read on him apart from roleshens anyway. But I'd like Bard to claim his actions first!

Conq lets everyone who isn't named Bardiche into his fabulous quicktopic. (We were going to have a not-bard party with SB but he died) (yes I do mean everyone)

And yeah I'm just a mason.

Vowelless Dormio oh god. At least he can use Y. Are you allowed to use underscores so we can play hangmafia with all of your posts? (I'm kidding, though.)





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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #909 on: September 27, 2013, 12:21:52 PM »
also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #910 on: September 27, 2013, 12:24:35 PM »
Actually there's really only one scum remaining, since two died already?
are you trying to be derp or something, we only have one flip that isn't green
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #911 on: September 27, 2013, 12:26:16 PM »
also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)
nevermind I reread and managed to make out that he was claiming rolename before bard said that

it's kind of really easy to miss
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #912 on: September 27, 2013, 12:39:05 PM »
theory for if BT is actually town (he might not be, I don't know, I have to leave for work really soon so I don't have time to do things like reread the thread yet)

Mafia has an infinite strongman (town gets some reliable clears and some situationally-likely-to-occur ones ontop of that in this setup, makes sense) and the Town Jailer is just for roleblocking unless/until the strongman is killed, or until Yuno starts serial killing which it can block

Seems pretty interesting and not-a-terrible-idea to me.

Ugh that'd mean Dormio or Conq is scum though! :C Conq is my solid townread since n1 and Dormio has been a townread and the roleshens and discussions in our QTs after he invaded my private mason areas n3 have only solidified my read on him.

Even if we lynch Bard and he's scum I will be so augh d6. If I get there. >_>

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #913 on: September 27, 2013, 12:40:57 PM »
mafia having an ascetic redirecter and a roleblocker would seem a little weird, too... (especially given town's active powers aren't terribly strong, instead we get a buttload of clears)
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #914 on: September 27, 2013, 12:41:22 PM »
anyway work gtg
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #915 on: September 27, 2013, 12:56:41 PM »
I guess I'll start by clearing my own name if Serela's still guessing (Serela why).

Step 1: Notice the first 150 posts in the secret space, along with the end of D1. I am definitely not scum with Conq.
Step 2: Notice the huhwhat NK. Like, fuck. In what world would I want to kill the guy who was townreading me so strongly AND was fixated on scumreading Conq? I would've just killed someone like BBM.

I'm sure there are other things. I just haven't noticed them. The only reason I'm aware of that last point is because I became paranoid of Conq during N3, stopping to consider why someone would waste a strongman on huhwhat on N1, but then BBM was killed in the same way and it became less of a big deal.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #916 on: September 27, 2013, 01:07:10 PM »
By the way, one of my theories in the secret space was that Zak was roleclopped on N1 as "Town Serial Killer" and was promptly killed on N2 as a result. He'd be clopped because of the link to Yuki being interesting.

What I'm saying is that scum should have a roleclop. I thought Bard was scum for asking me about my role at first but now I'm unsure - if scum did find out my role, they could have just killed me tonight, or maybe they were confident that I wouldn't become really town as a result? I don't know.

ANYWAY, just from Bard/Dormio claim interactions today I'm thinking they shouldn't be scum together, but I'll go over them again now to make sure.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #917 on: September 27, 2013, 01:20:40 PM »
This is why I asked BT about his role and why I was so suspicious about him, because I consider the role to be futile to Town mostly. Odds of hitting Townie is higher than odds of hitting Mafia, and I consider the risks outweigh the benefits. Without spoiling BT's power, this should be helpful in proving the accuracy of my claim. I even acted on someone using a stolen power.
Serela x Bardiche for Townies obv, but that's wrong on so many levels. (I did enjoy the night we spent together last, but.)
You ended up using it on town anyway, though? What's with this?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #918 on: September 27, 2013, 03:09:05 PM »
It should be Bard and Conq. Bard's role isn't actually a Universal Backup, his play has been shifty and it's weird that he targeted Serela when he knew I was around and targeting townreads too. Serela has a townread on Dormio through quicktopic shenanigans that I'm willing to trust over any slight townreads on Conq through the same means and nothing Conq's done makes him decidedly town. Dormio and Bard have both proven their respective roles -- and despite having differently functioning roles they're probably not both scum as that would be stupid. Conq's gameplan was to lynch Bard and Dormio in whatever order works (Bard probably went with the backup CC for that reason even though his role isn't actually a backup -- I said in the past that Bard and Conq together was an unlikely team and they probably factored that in). He nightkilled huhwhat because it was essential and hooked me up because he thought he could handle it and he did. There are also minor things like how he was "surprised" by how vocal I was in the QT and how he made a point of justifying hooking me up on N1 with "I Believe that this is a more fun way to play the game" more than once which seems useless and doesn't even make that much sense. I voiced how I thought Conq was weaseling out of suspecting me at first so scum!him probably felt like he had to establish that that's not what happened -- even now I think his sudden backing off was for poor reasons considering the strength of his case, especially compared to the strength of the preceding SB case. Setup wise, invincible redirector + role copier (also acts as roleclop) + useless but cool permanent neighborizer role makes sense to me. I don't know where the strongman comes in, maybe it's another one of Conq's abilities. Both Eighth and Eleventh (Conq and Bard respectively?) should have the capacity to boast a protect bypass imo -- maybe in conjunction or some shit.

Roll in with your conterarguments. This is my contribution for the (rl) day.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #919 on: September 27, 2013, 05:21:47 PM »
Timecount 4 LYLO 5.1

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Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #920 on: September 27, 2013, 06:10:06 PM »
I derp, I saw the same Mafia flip twice.

also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)

Because he posted nvrsl bckp and the only vowels that made sense is "universal backup"?

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Step 2: Notice the huhwhat NK. Like, fuck. In what world would I want to kill the guy who was townreading me so strongly AND was fixated on scumreading Conq? I would've just killed someone like BBM.

In the world where scum!BT would make this argument. You may have told us you targetted BT with your protective role that failed precisely because you do not know if there was/is a Tracker in play. (There is not.) Failing to protect the kill target twice kind of makes me go ???.

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You ended up using it on town anyway, though? What's with this?

I was confident Serela did not have an active portion to the role because Masons is a very powerful role already. What's more, his Mason partner had just died revealing it to the world to see. Now, why NOT kill a confirmed Town and avoid a situation where no one will vote Serela? I opted to use it on Serela on that one night (Hence why I said his muffled screams helped my sleep) because in Bard!Logic, a Mason cannot have a second incredibly useful power.

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Bard's role isn't actually a Universal Backup, his play has been shifty and it's weird that he targeted Serela when he knew I was around and targeting townreads too.

It's not weird at all. Remember how I was voting you? Why the hell would I not try to protect Serela while under the impression that you were scum?

I targetted Conqueror with my power the other night, too, which makes no sense if I could steal powers as scum; In my claimant post I made the word QUICTOPIC (forgetting K because herp) in that rambly paragraph precisely to allude to it in case Conq claimed, but now he won't need to because Serela is helpful and claims for other people. (Thanks Serela!) But yeah, I agree that Conq makes Neighbours with people which he probably did with just about everyone. Did all his neighbours survive? :>

I'm not precisely sure why "Dormio targeted himself for post restriction" makes any amount of sense. Targeting someone else with a very, very mild restriction would have made a whole lot more sense than this business where he targets himself without confirming that it actually works that way and he can avoid post restrictions from hell that way. Grabbing the powers of everyone who's died also doesn't sound very Town-y, it just means that Scum would not have been able to eliminate a single active power role on Town's side until Dormio'd die. The only thing that kind of makes sense is one-shot Cop then, since it prevents any backers up from copping everyone around. (Though I only get a one-shot of one person who acted that night that I specifically targeted, so it'd be significantly less powerful than Dormio's.)


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #921 on: September 27, 2013, 07:54:02 PM »
I'm not precisely sure why "Dormio targeted himself for post restriction" makes any amount of sense. Targeting someone else with a very, very mild restriction would have made a whole lot more sense than this business where he targets himself without confirming that it actually works that way and he can avoid post restrictions from hell that way.
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Grabbing the powers of everyone who's died also doesn't sound very Town-y, it just means that Scum would not have been able to eliminate a single active power role on Town's side until Dormio'd die.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #922 on: September 27, 2013, 08:32:12 PM »
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #923 on: September 27, 2013, 08:55:59 PM »
Isn't it supremely interesting that all the powers Dormio has used were from victims of the scum NK? (and also people who were defended by BT?) (See: QT with Serela (HW) and Vote Restriction (BBM))

##Vote: Dormio

What did you do night 3, Dormio? There was an ascetic redirector, wasn't there? Moreover, why would you gank HW's Masonry power instead of the Gift Giver and give someone a Track?


N1 Kilga targeted BT and acquired Jailer power by #Kidnap.
N2 I kidnapped Serela to protect him from any untoward murders. I should hope he can confirm he was roleblocked or something.
N3 I targeted Conqueror and acquired the ability to make a Server Created QT with someone. I chose not to use this as it was pointless.
N4

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #924 on: September 27, 2013, 10:00:35 PM »
In the world where scum!BT would make this argument. You may have told us you targetted BT with your protective role that failed precisely because you do not know if there was/is a Tracker in play. (There is not.) Failing to protect the kill target twice kind of makes me go ???.
No shit. Whether I'm town telling the truth or scum making the argument doesn't matter, as killing huhwhat on N1 just for the sake of this argument is not worth the payoff and objectively makes me more likely to be town. As for failing to save folks twice, there are hints to the fact that I'm not lying about this -- I direct the secret space members to message 12 ("I was not expecting huhwhat to die") and the message 104 range (me asking Conq for his link target so I can protect them). Message 234 has me posting what I posted later on in the thread, about being extremely confused by the result of my action. (failing a second time)

It's not weird at all. Remember how I was voting you? Why the hell would I not try to protect Serela while under the impression that you were scum?
Oh shit, I thought you copied my role on N3 and used it on N4 or something.

And yeah that's not how Dormio works. He picks one legal action to use out of the actions of people who died in the preceding night and day phases. (so N1 and D2 for the N2 action) Also, he apparently gave Schezo the coroner but Schezo said nothing to that effect (worth looking for crumbs?). He stated what he got each night in detail in the secret space. Paraphrasing:

N1: 3 gifts, gave coroner to Schezo.
N2: Masonry with Serela and choice between ascetic/redirect, chose ascetic.
N3: NNR's investigation immunity and Schezo's used cop result on BBM, nothing to use.
N4: BBM's restriction and CF7's treestump, used restriction on self.

It's a convenient collection but at the same time doesn't seem fake so meep.

It's nice that you didn't feel like using your theoretical link. It only means we can't verify that you actually had it. You probably did use my action at least once because you tried claiming the flavor, though. I even found this:

Your muffled screams were the lullaby that inspired my sleep last night.
Hmm. Serela should tell us why Dormio was so town in the mason QT.

I'm also left thinking what was up with Kilga voting me coming into D2 now, assuming he knew my role.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #925 on: September 27, 2013, 10:06:11 PM »
Can't confirm being roleblocked, probably because I have no powers to be blocked. (Stopping me from posting in the mason qt would be hilarious though and dormio would be so very alone after joining me)

BT explained dormio action stuff.

I thought at work "Bard could easily be a souped up Rolecop, right?" (or a variant of one if he was scum but still truthing over his role). But I'm having trouble deciding if I really want to vote him or not, now :/ I guess I really do have to reread the game soon.

BT:Jailer is a common scum role too, so having it isn't a clear.

I wish I could ask dormio to confirm his post restriction but it'd leave him open to be quicklynched by scum if he's not scum himself, so that'd be a horrible horrible idea.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #926 on: September 27, 2013, 10:07:05 PM »
I wish I could ask dormio to confirm his post restriction but it'd leave him open to be quicklynched by scum if he's not scum himself, so that'd be a horrible horrible idea.
then again this really wouldn't accomplish much even if he could, on second though
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #927 on: September 27, 2013, 10:19:08 PM »
Hmm. Serela should tell us why Dormio was so town in the mason QT.
To be honest it's nothing he couldn't have probably faked as scum without much trouble, although I guess then he persuaded Shadoweh to let him back into the QT during the night phase after she had kicked him out. (I then had to move the entire time </3)

But I guess I thought his role was also kinda townie? And I already had a town read on him.

Yeah I wouldn't have said "guise dormio so town!" in the thread if I hadn't been under pressure from lack of internet and thinking he might actually get wagoned from CF7's vote (which he obviously wasn't going to be) (I've said this like 5 times I really should stop)

Copying dead townie powers isn't as strong as you might think when most of them are pretty weak, at least in 24 hour durations. It doesn't feel like a big deal as a town PR apart from stirring the pot some, although it has interesting implications if it were a scum role.

Anyway especially when you consider PoE I don't think there's any reason to lynch outside of Bard/Dormio today. And I think it's kinda clear where my opinion falls in that matter!

I doubt BT's target claiming would be like that if he was scum, but I don't drink wine, so.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #928 on: September 27, 2013, 10:20:20 PM »
"pretty weak" isn't the right word

but it turns him into a grab bag of powers that don't actually do a whole lot for him without getting lucky
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #929 on: September 27, 2013, 10:56:56 PM »
dormio wants me to restate that his powers wear off after a short time
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