Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 68178 times)

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #660 on: September 20, 2013, 10:00:41 AM »
real quick in case it has/ever will come up: I only had the alignment, I had absolutely no details about My precious Yuki's Role name or effects.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #661 on: September 20, 2013, 10:20:57 AM »
[Crazy Conspiracy Theory.]
I've been thinking, judging from the roles, or rather Mirai Nikki characters. Can't Yuno and Yukki be scum?
[/Crazy Conspiracy Theory]
But in the light of SB and Zak claims and the fact that Dormio is really defensive in his #644 i think that lynching him is the right choice.
##unvote
##Vote Dormio


Also i've reread pretty much anyone again. And i can't quite put it into words, but Kilgamayan's posts were giving me some flaring mental alarams. Probably have to reread him again.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #662 on: September 20, 2013, 10:30:27 AM »
Guess who's back?
... Seriously, who is it? I don't know?
Well, whatever. Let's make a post anyway.

First things first, I'm going to believe Zakeri's claim regarding Serious Bananas.
##Unvote
Of course, this doesn't mean that my thoughts surrounding Zakeri have changed, but we can get to that later.

Having said that, I still want to see CF7's lynch.
##Vote CF7
However, it doesn't seem as though anyone agrees with me, and time is starting to run out.
Can I ask everyone for a reason so as to why we aren't lynching CF7?
I'm under the impression that the general consensus seems to be related to CF7 claiming that he wanted to be lynched near the end of D1.
But I have to wonder, why couldn't this action have been a desperation move?
There's nothing to rule it out as being a feint.

If necessary, whilst I don't have an original case on him, I will switch to Paperblade to secure a lynch tomorrow morning.
I just don't like lurker lynches because they feel so useless.
I also don't like lurkers in general.

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the fact that Dormio is really defensive in his #644 i think that lynching him is the right choice.
Are you claiming that NNR's bullshit is somehow credible in any way, shape, or form?
Because, if you read properly, you'll note that what I'm doing in those posts is correcting NNR as opposed to really "defending" myself.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #663 on: September 20, 2013, 10:31:28 AM »
Also, Zakeri, if you're still here.
I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #664 on: September 20, 2013, 10:59:15 AM »
I'm under the impression that the general consensus seems to be related to CF7 claiming that he wanted to be lynched near the end of D1.
But I have to wonder, why couldn't this action have been a desperation move?
There's nothing to rule it out as being a feint.
Question. It was desperation move to actually what? There wasn't even proper wagon on me before my Raikaria vote.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #665 on: September 20, 2013, 11:01:10 AM »
Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #666 on: September 20, 2013, 11:03:54 AM »
Okay first thing.

Even my failsafe failed today.
???

Since the conversation has gone this direction, I will confirm that I'm Yuno Gasai.
If you are an ITP of any sort, TODAY is the only acceptable time for you to announce this, not D3, not D4, etcetera. Bard is playing so you know this'll be enforced.

If you're town I assume you know to claim anything important there is to know about your relationship with SB provided it's safe.
Likewise SB should elaborate if he knows something important provided it's safe.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #667 on: September 20, 2013, 11:16:53 AM »
Finally reached day one hammer.
Also, Zakeri, if you're still here.
I was just about to get to that.

I did my usual thing of looking indepth all the people on the wagon (and Schezo since I had thought he moved from Raikaria to CF7... I have a lot of questions but that's for the end of the post.)

BT and BBM both seem natural to me. I was incredibly suspicious of BT at first because I had to make a pressure vote on him, but he was an active participant in discussion and comments a lot. While he had trouble expressing scumreads directly, Nothing in any of his posts jumped out to me as scumreads.
Kilgamayan also reads like I would expect him to, and I agree with a lot of the insights he made at the times he made them. Basically, no reason to press anything, especially considering I'd have to press someone else for them.
NNR is a nullread because my litmus test for sounding townie doesn't work with his posting style.

My biggest beefs from the previous day are (fittingly enough given the past few posts) Dormio and CF7.

Now that I've actually read the cases he made, I have a few complaints
- The only three points he brought up against Raikaria were " I just remembered I already posted this which is why I can't find it in my notes.
To follow up, The Serela case was weak, full of i don't knows and maybes, with nothing to say about his alignment one way or the other. this becomes even more jarring when it comes after HW claims masons with Serela. I'm not sure about the timing but I can see scum intent in doing this, while following up with the claim that he's not accounting for HW's mason claim. It's basically a lot of padding put into being able to cost while having given a full reread.
unfortunately, what detracts from this is his later honesty when discard the case in favor of trusting HW on his word. There's also the CF7 case he made later which I didn't catch anything seemingly scummy in. These don't actually make me think he's town, but it does introduce reasonable doubt into the equation.

I actually agree with Dormio's recent point about the clear on CF7. I backed off and kept onto Dormio because I bought into the clear Conq gave for him, but if you look at his day one record in comparison ... he shows a lot of disinterest in keeping up with the game, and refers to how poor his role is multiple times. I feel like his willingness to sacrifice himself might not actually be based on his alignment at all, but rather his role and it's use to his alignment. if he was a vanilla goon, or if he was beneficial as dead mafia, it wouldn't be a stretch to have him give himself up for additional bussing credit (which would mean the rest of the mafia would be on his wagon if he's scum).
The disinterest in the game is clear from his lack of posting for most of the day, but also in that his first few votes were blanket suspicions on random people posting. I never got the impression that he was scumhunting, and any vote on Raikaria throughout the day was opportunistic (to the point where town seemed to repeatedly try to jump off of the Raikaria wagon)
I also want to bring back the Voting Rai as Serial Killer bit. Again, it's not really scumhunting. Whenever you vote someone and bring up the possibility that they are the SK, what you're really saying is that the person is either both scum and town or neither scum nor town. When asked to explain his reasoning, he actually mentions it's because he notices Raikaria was attempting to form a wagon on someone he thought was scum. The vote was poor because not only was it opportunistic, be he basically admitted that he was voting for Raikaria despite Raikaria being town.

Between these two, I feel less comfortable voting for Dormio because, again, there's some reasonable doubt regarding his actions on day one.
##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: CF7


Cut: By failsafe, I mean my failsafe for making absolutely certain I leave myself with nothing to focus on except for writing stories and mafia. I had originally planned to start reading before a long time before 4a.m.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #668 on: September 20, 2013, 12:10:14 PM »
Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.
Actually i attracted enough attention that people still willing to lynch me even after i said that i don't want to be lynched.  It's not a scum behavior it is suicidal behavior, which it actually was. But i'm just repeating myself.

I actually agree with Dormio's recent point about the clear on CF7. I backed off and kept onto Dormio because I bought into the clear Conq gave for him, but if you look at his day one record in comparison ... he shows a lot of disinterest in keeping up with the game, and refers to how poor his role is multiple times. I feel like his willingness to sacrifice himself might not actually be based on his alignment at all, but rather his role and it's use to his alignment. if he was a vanilla goon, or if he was beneficial as dead mafia, it wouldn't be a stretch to have him give himself up for additional bussing credit (which would mean the rest of the mafia would be on his wagon if he's scum).
If your theory is true, when look for scum in this list.
CF7 (6): Raikaria, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, Zakeri, Conqueror, Schezo
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #669 on: September 20, 2013, 12:11:48 PM »
And to that list the fact that i posted my 2 accusative cases against Schezo and Paperblade. This brings double-bussing to the whole next level i guess.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #670 on: September 20, 2013, 12:33:39 PM »
I know Paper only joined this game bc he wanted to play with BT- I don't think he really has much time or inclination atm. I haven't seen him active on SF anyways. Being this lurky for so long isn't really his regular play as either alignment, so I'm not voting him solely on that and I don't think anyone else should either.

TBH I mostly dropped Dormio because his later posts showed a lot more effort in them. I'll get to them tonight since I don't have school tomorrow; I promise. While I think SB is probably town based on Zak's claim, it doesn't necessarily mean that Zak is. I think Prims? made a point that he could be SK with a role that let him confirm someone as town for towncred. There was only one kill last night so odds are there's no SK, but four confirmed townies just seems fishy to me.

Two town-sided ascetics also seem kind of fishy btw.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #671 on: September 20, 2013, 04:12:09 PM »
Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.
Something that you've been doing quite a lot this game?

I dunno what to make of SB/Zak now. Like the Masons, I don't think we can let both of them live to LYLO, especially Yuno, who will just auto-clear Yuki if Zak speaks the truth.

I could get behind a Paperblade wagon, I guess.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #672 on: September 20, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
2.7: My Wish Lives In The Future Votecount

"Who knew someone as psychotic as Yuno could create something this...this... EMOTIONAL?!?! :'D I love this song even though it's my first time listening to it~ XD"

CF7 (2): Dormio, Zakeri
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, CF7
Schezo (2): BT, Serious Bananas
Paperblade (3): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror

Not voting: No one /o/

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #673 on: September 20, 2013, 07:17:42 PM »
tbh, I even bookmarked the first page of this game but every time I come to do a reread or something I just read a couple posts and then get distracted since it's kind of a lot of reading. I'm not really sure what's causing my substandard play since at this point it's not related the issue I had a week ago (I actually think I got over that rather quickly and handled it well all things considered), although it's possible that contributed to my slow start which kind of snowballed into the apathy I'm feeling right now.

There's not exactly much I can do to defend myself, I'm Reisuke Houjou the Ascetic, but I already claimed that second bit yesterday. Apparently SB is that guy Zak knows to be town and is basically CCing me (although we don't know the details of his role?).

I still think Yoshi is scum though. I'm also not really sure what to think of SB and Zak. It would be pretty dumb to throw away the lives of two mafia to get one person lynched (esp since I'm playing like trash already), but SB might be going "Oops I guess our roles are different enough *shrug*" and get out of that way because "Oh it's too scummy for them to have done this they must be town."

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #674 on: September 20, 2013, 08:28:55 PM »
I'm wondering if it's because of laziness or not reading my arguments that people didn't end up rereading Schezo? In any case this blows and I'll readdress tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote Paperblade

I'll review Paperblade/Dormio (mostly Dormio methinks) before this ends to make sure this is what I prefer.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #675 on: September 20, 2013, 08:50:25 PM »
/sigh This timezone is really inconvenient. Or rather that it's so far away from majority of players here. I need to sleep badly and sleep deprivation is really not my thing. Not sure who exactly i want to actually pick. I kind of leaning to Dormio, tho. So i'll leave my vote where it is.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #676 on: September 20, 2013, 08:51:19 PM »
And considering how slow things are going, i won't be really surprised if we get no lynch today.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #677 on: September 20, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »
I feel completely and utterly dead right now but I'll try and get a post up.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #678 on: September 20, 2013, 08:59:02 PM »
I won't be here for deadline. Trying to decide between Dormio an Paoerblade. Schezo gut is still there as well. Hmm...
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #679 on: September 20, 2013, 09:03:00 PM »
My vote obviously goes to Schezo if people end up swinging that way but I thought it unlikely with how much time's left.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #680 on: September 20, 2013, 09:34:28 PM »
I had suspicions in my reread about how he handled the day's end vote, but then I rememberd he cleared that up at the beginning of Day 2.

From what I remember of paperblade, I don't disagree with the lynch. He is lackluster in posting relevant content.
I don't want to pin the CC thing on him, even though SB is town. Mainly because I've already experienced first hand the worth of indirect CCs like ascetic vs compulsive single target hider. It's tempting to write Paperblade off as scum due to roles but I really don't want to write anything off "due to roles".

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #681 on: September 20, 2013, 09:34:58 PM »
The "He" in the first line is reffering to Schezo.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #682 on: September 20, 2013, 10:01:37 PM »
Ehhh... I'd still rather lynch Dormio...buuut.... ugh, this is hard.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #683 on: September 20, 2013, 10:06:10 PM »
Hrmmm... this is hard, but I'm going to go with Paperblade.

##Vote: Paperblade

When it comes down to it, he's simply the odd man out for me. He conflicts with my investigator-ascetic and SB's hider role, and his play has been subpar.

The fact he claimed ascetic D1 is what a townie would do though... hrmmmmm...

I'm going to risk it and stick with Paperblade. I'll see how things turn out at deadline.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #684 on: September 20, 2013, 10:07:14 PM »
Bleh, my gut is telling me I'm going to regret this later. Only time will tell.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #685 on: September 20, 2013, 10:13:36 PM »
2.8: Yuki Yuki Yuki Yuki Yuki Votecount

"yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki kimi no mamote ageru yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki no mite takara ora yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki isone kaero nee aaa yuki yuki yuki yuki watashi no ishite no karane aha yuki aishiteru, kakoiooo yuki no mite kureta shiozetana mamoruyo yuki daishobu daio nane mo soruio taskeni daio kaero yuki mitsketaio yuki watashi o mite aooshi mayome nishata yokata nee nani o giseni no shinetio yumenanoioda!!!"

CF7 (2): Dormio, Zakeri
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, CF7
Schezo (1): Serious Bananas
Paperblade (5): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex

Not voting: No one /o/

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #686 on: September 20, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »
This is surprising, though. Just how confident were you about Dormio for the past how-long-it's-been?

I mean, yeah, setup problems, but that can only go so far.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #687 on: September 20, 2013, 10:37:18 PM »
I actually think that CF7 is scum over Paperblade

post incoming

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #688 on: September 20, 2013, 10:47:46 PM »
stop trying to game the setup seriously

Two town-sided ascetics also seem kind of fishy btw.

Why didn't you highlight this back when we both claimed on the second page? I won't say that Paperblade's play has been great abut everything in this post where you talk about Paperblade is basically everything turns out to be a null tell on him or attacking his claim over the playerslot himself, which kind of distances yourself from his lynch if he flips town.

Zak needs some scumreads too, it won't do anyone good for him to just park on HW without anything on the 11 other players that aren't HW or Raikaria. Similar thoughts on Schezo.

Weren't you just doing this? Pretty much hypocrisy here.

I don't think Zak is very town atm, tbh, he doesn't have any scumreads and his vote isn't actually too good.
Mostly reluctant to vote him because he has so few thoughts on other players.

This is still horrible reasoning not to vote for someone, not having opinions on other players is exactly why you're finding him scummy. You're basically saying you're not voting him because of his scummy behavior? That's dumb. It was also the same vote you were using.

He could not sit on the fence any harder about his non-Raikaria reads, In fact, he more or less just coasted on the Raikaria vote to the end of the day. Now only today does CF7 suddenly look interesting enough to vote.

...

There's also BT, but I am kind of stuck about where to place him in my reads. On one hand, he pretty much went the whole day without really scumhunting.
On the other hand, his responses to people and general posts weren't bad, it's not like it was fluff or something, it just looked like he was trying to hunt town more then scum, which is ???Idunno???? weirdread. My gut says town, though, so I guess there's that.

I also have bad gut on Schezo, but only really just gut. Not quite sure what I'll do with it, but it'll still be a thing.

Just swap Raikaria for Dormio and you're seeing the exact same thing you're attacking Dormio for. You use your gut as an excuse to make BT seem town but then discredit it in the next line when talking about Schezo too.

Cut: by NNR waffling more on Paperblade's role. It's null because scum Ascetics don't want to stay quiet and then end up under fire by townies who find their actions randomly failing on them (see scum!manix in touhou on sf.)

CF7's "I was trying to get lynched" is actively horrible, never do that even with a detrimental role unless it only comes into effect on death, willingly resigning yourself to be mislynched is terrible town play since your playerslot still helps with vote control. There's also all the stuff on Rai for SK and his "exclusive scumhunting" turns out to have him as town just because he's scumhunting, just like the rest of the game which is awful. The listpost in general was really bad, there was barely any backing to his reads (he called Zak town but gave reasons why he was scummy isntead of why he was town).

His Paperblade analysis is also pretty awful, calls outing as Ascetic bad (why wasn't I bad for this?) Then he says he does his RVS vote (so does everyone else) and then changes his opinion, on what exactly? His RVS vote? Then theres' the standard fare "Paper is tunneling Dormio" but apparently he's scummy for trying to get his scumspect lynched at the same time. He also says that this post is a contradiction, when in reality he's misrepping Paper hard. What Paper is essentially saying is that he townread BT more than Rai, but doesn't think Rai is scum. NOT that Rai is town and then Rai is scum. "And again off-hand comment out of nowhere insisting on pushing for Dormio lynch." It's called pushing your scumreads. Seriously.

Paperblade's content is pretty shallow like people have said and I guess I could go for his lynch although I found CF7 to be worse honestly. Also him defending 2/3 of the day's major wagons severely limits his options to push mislynches, if he isn't buddies with them. I think there was some other stuff too but idr now I just want to sleep. There's stuff that points to both town and scum Paper and my brain is too frazzled at this point to decide, but some of the attacks on him are seriously awful. I don't see CF7 as town, so my vote's going there.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #689 on: September 20, 2013, 11:33:47 PM »
"This blows I can't get someone lynched with my scum case"
well if you would like for me to preform at your son's birthday party my number is 1-800-hey-bich

Quote
[Crazy Conspiracy Theory.]
I've been thinking, judging from the roles, or rather Mirai Nikki characters. Can't Yuno and Yukki be scum?
[/Crazy Conspiracy Theory]
Anybody can be anything from any part of the flavor.  The main villain and main hero can be scum together just like they can be masons together it does not matter.

Paperblade is starting to feel like a ml just because he's a quirky tunneler who isn't playing by our meta.  I already said I was fine with his lynch but I mean dayum.
Other than the whole "omg look at more than Dormio" there's not much scum intent besides being a lurker.

SB's case is cool I guess about CF7 but I would like him to address this:
Quote from: conq 536
Going to stand by my original point that if he were mafia, then he would have made some sort of claim before disappearing at the end of the day; given the playerlist any buddy would have coached him to do the same. His willingness to be lynched given his supposed antitown role looks genuine enough that I don't think it's coming from mafia making a last ditch gambit (which would be a terrible gambit anyway). At worst he's SK who gave up (jumping to the conclusion that Raikaria is SK instead of scum, initial defensiveness with the Raikaria vote, general weirness) but he's not group scum at least imo so not really interested in him. People who still want to lynch CF7 tomorrow should respond to why they think this is invalid.
His content on NNR is fine too but I don't know what that shot at BBM is.  Can you rephrase it?  I'm having trouble with it.