Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 68161 times)

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #600 on: September 18, 2013, 10:18:57 PM »
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Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu
"Next time a guy steal you a kiss, don't put your hand in his face, thank him and call him "protector". " It's like poetry.


Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Kilgamayan, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex
Schezo (1): BT, CF7

Not voting: Serelas, Serious Bananas, Zakeri

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #601 on: September 19, 2013, 12:14:20 AM »
Fuck you guys make really long posts and it's difficult to get anything from them because I want to just skim. >_>

First off, I dislike how SB didn't really respond to any of the votes against him. And he didn't vote for anyone either, so I'm not actually even sure what he talked about in all the posts he's made today? IIRC he was pushing someone or the other (BT?) for talking about people a lot without voting them so it's doubly worse. What makes it triply worse is that by page 3 of D1 he had four ordered scumreads and now he's voting for nobody? Not feeling good about SB.

Schezo's random paranoia makes no sense to me right now and I dislike how he chose not to go with CF7 just because the people on that wagon were suspicious according to him, just to handwave the suspicion on at least one of those at the beginning of D2. What exactly was he finding suspicious about my playstyle?

I don't think Paperblade has spoken about anybody but Dormio? I think some irl stuff has him sort of depressed right now + he's better with flips and whatnot, but he still needs to give opinions on other people. His tunneling is not in the ordinary. That being said I doubt both him and SB are scum, so he's not a high priority for me atm.

My reasons for my townreads are all sort of weak and gut-based, but I sort of feel like Conq/BT/CF7 are town (yeah I know I thought they were all scum at various points yesterday, deal with it), plus Serela. Not really interested in lynching any of them atm and tbh I don't even get Schezo's vote on BT? Can he elaborate?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #602 on: September 19, 2013, 12:35:04 AM »
Alright, sorry for the delay.
I fell asleep on my desk, woke up at 2AM, managed to get back to sleep at 4AM, and lost my post in the process.
I'm here now though!
... With a 40% assignment for one of my courses due tomorrow...

There's a couple of things that stick out to me in this post of Zakeri's.
The first would be this response to Schezo:
I like your Gusto.
If I don't call somebody out for something, it's because I didn't catch it, not because I'm trying to coast through as scum. I get accused of this in every game that's expected to last beyond a week.
I don't get why the last sentence is necessary at all.
It's like a distraction to add further substance to a response that didn't need one.
What does that particular sentence achieve other than appealing to our emotions in order to try to create a particular image of himself as being a victim?

And then there's also this response:
Also the point about my stance on Raikaria - What's wrong with letting people talk about something just because I don't care? Raikaria's not in danger of getting lynched at the point, so I have no reason to defend him directly.
Firstly, this doesn't even answer Conq's statement, which I'll quote here for convenience.
zakeri continuing to push the "confirmed town" point and choosing to ignore all the everything else that has already happened in the thread is going for refuge in audacity. like, seriously.
The point was originally about Zakeri continuing to press the "confirmed Serela" case on HW, yet Zakeri gives an overly defensive response so as to why he's ignoring Raikaria.
Zakeri does state here that he has a reason for it, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that he's focussing far too much of his attention to this singular point.
Why is this the case? And why does he even feel the need to defend Raikaria in the first place? I don't get it.
As for Raikaria ... well, I'm getting really sleepy right now and I feel like even if I read him I'd get a null reading since his meta makes him resistant to every reason I remember reading people are suspicious of.
Of course, when Raikaria does start getting more attention, Zakeri really does try to defend him.
Personally, I don't particularly like white-knight-ing.

I'm undecided between Dormio and BT right now. BT would basically be a prodvote to pressure him into finding at least one scum but everyone seems to fall that way already.
I still thank the amount of effort put into Dormio's case on Raikaria is too disproportionate to how town would go about it, but I don't really know what else I'd get out of him other than asking him to make cases on other people.
I guess for day one's sake, BT is the worst one between them.
##Unvote: Huh What
##Vote: BT

I'm working on it. I'm up past my bedtime just like everyone else right now.
My vote on BT was for pressure and I'm pretty sure he's been responding to some things (at least lately) in an information gathering manor. ##Unvote: BT

Cut by BT becoming less of a wagon without my input, I guess.
I don't particularly like this sequence either.
Despite stating earlier that BT is pretty much the scummiest person that he can find, Zakeri later states that his vote on BT was for pressure purposes so that BT could go look for some scum himself.
Isn't this rather contradictory if you consider that Zakeri's strongest scum read at the time to be little more than a prod?
It's amusing to me that the person voting another for not having strong reads doesn't have any strong reads himself.
To me, this looks like an excuse to simply look like he's scumhunting while buying time.
I mean, up until this point he had basically been tunneling HW for a point he gives up quite easily upon being pressed by Conq here.
I'd like to think the answer to the second question is implicit, but I admit I don't have an answer for that first one since in retrospect the effect of our roles vary slightly.
Uhh, god damn it.

I don't really see a reason why HW's role holder would be scum unless it's to prevent gaming the setup, but to go that route would be completely forced and circular so I don't feel comfortable keeping this vote without a serious reread.

I do agree that the setup for Zakeri's counterclaim on HW looks pretty genuine.
Of course, this could be the product of so many things, so I haven't really been taking this into consideration.

I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.

Anyway, more posts whenever I get around to it and I'm not drowning in assignments.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #603 on: September 19, 2013, 12:39:18 AM »
Searching for a replacement for Kilgamans.

Dammit, woman, just let me do this for Kilga already.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #604 on: September 19, 2013, 12:44:34 AM »
Confirming Bard as my hero.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Shadoweh

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #605 on: September 19, 2013, 12:44:59 AM »
Bardiche replaces Kilgamayan, effective immediately! \o/


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Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #606 on: September 19, 2013, 12:49:47 AM »
##Vote: BT, re-establishing Kilga's vote because Kilga is a bro and can't be wrong.

Reading thread now. Any quick "yo Bard this is pretty priority important" stuff would be helpful and interesting.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #607 on: September 19, 2013, 12:54:53 AM »
Will get to this thread later than usual today.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #608 on: September 19, 2013, 02:15:35 AM »
Okay, just plain vanishing wasn't my plan, but I recently saw this week's work schedule and also just learned I'm moving in several days  >_> I'd consider replacing if it wasn't that it's not really a big deal if I can't post much for most of D2 given my status

But from what I've gotten over reading D2, don't think Dormio is scum, considering SB/Schezo the most, followed up by BT and Paperblade who I need to reread again to reconsider. Null on NNR and holy crap I haven't paid a single bit of thought to BBM maybe I should reread him when I have the time. CF7/Conq/Zak most likely town and leaning town on kilga

Yes I'm NOT planning on doing "lol I'm confirmed town so I'm not going to even try to contribute to discussion" after I have more time to pay attention to the game >_>
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #609 on: September 19, 2013, 02:49:42 AM »
Today has been kind of long for me and my router might cut out soon, so I won't be able to make a content post until tomorrow morning again.

I skimmed and I'm mostly drawing a blank on what to say about this last page or so of posts, and my gut isn't helping much either, though.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #610 on: September 19, 2013, 03:11:53 AM »
I like how the posts after mine are all apologies, excuses and promises of doing something later. :X What did I replace into?

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #611 on: September 19, 2013, 03:32:33 AM »
##Vote: Dormio for end of day one reasons.
Which is to say that I manage to put off rereading all day, I'll get at least a few ISOs out before I go to bed tonight.

Also, stating that I ignored SB's first question about my character name. Do you have non-role-related reasons for asking about it? If it's about clearing myself, it should be clear by now that role claims shouldn't affect reads.

blatant prod dodge in a game full of proddodging. Sorry Bardy.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #612 on: September 19, 2013, 04:19:30 AM »
I'm not done reading but.

BT, in the interest of moving things along.

How do you feel about Conqueror.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #613 on: September 19, 2013, 04:44:48 AM »
Well, my computer just froze up on me and ate my post so I'm just going to post this first.

No, I wasn't claiming.

Schezo, I don't get why you're voting BT especially as in your BT vote post over half of it is responding to SB and CF7.

SB, why are you hesitant to place down a vote compared to yesterday? I see some poking at BT and Schezo that's at least on the same level of the vote reasoning that you had in your first vote post, so what's holding you back?

Paperblade, why is Dormio the only person in the game?


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Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #614 on: September 19, 2013, 04:45:44 AM »
Also I want to >:( at the fact that I wrote more last night than some of you wrote for today. Laaame.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #615 on: September 19, 2013, 04:54:30 AM »
SB on the other hand.  Oh sheeeit.  I thought he posted again after I questioned him with 360.  So I still want an answer to this please.
His interactions with Dormio are weird.  He calls the unmemorable Dormio unmemorable. And then Dormio answers my question to SB about Raikaria when Dormio hasn't really said anything about Raikaria in the recent posts before that.  The two of them are just so awkward.
##Vote: SB
Not getting your reasoning here (I know you've changed your vote, but I want to know what you were thinking at the time). I don't think you've said anything else about Dormio today and I'm not seeing why you voted SB for having weird interactions with Dormio which means...what?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #616 on: September 19, 2013, 05:25:34 AM »
I don't know how you guys can say I'm tunneling on Yoshino. I have a scumread on CF7 but I'm way more confident in the Yoshi scumread. He was on Rai pretty much all day and surprise Rai flipped town. I feel like you're misrepresenting my actions so that you can ignore them to talk about other things.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #617 on: September 19, 2013, 05:32:51 AM »
I have a scumread on CF7 but I'm way more confident in the Yoshi scumread. He was on Rai pretty much all day and surprise Rai flipped town. I feel like you're misrepresenting my actions so that you can ignore them to talk about other things.
Okay, so explain why you think CF7 is still scum today and how Dormio and CF7 scum fit together, among other things. Also, there were a bunch of other people on Rai all day, so why are you singling Dormio out for it?
One of my main issues with you is that I feel like you're ignoring the rest of the game and sitting on this Dormio rock. Like, what do you think about people like SB/Schezo/BT?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #618 on: September 19, 2013, 05:58:19 AM »
I'm not sure why I need to have a scumbuddy link to think two people are scum. I don't really like linking people together as scumbuddies before they flip unless I have a very good reason to do so ("X is only scum if Y is because of roles"), since it's easy to draw false conclusions. Like, if I went back and got evidence on why Yoshino and CF7 are scumbuddies, and then one of them flips town but the other is scum and alive, he and his scumbuddies can try to attack my case going "Yeah well this wasn't true so the rest of your case sucks." And if it becomes acceptable it becomes easier for scum to push bullshit cases because of speculative evidence.

I said yesterday when he was a potential wagon that I think BT is town. I actually don't remember much SB did so... that might be a bad thing actually. Will reread him and Schezo.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #619 on: September 19, 2013, 06:46:00 AM »
2.4: Every Day Can Be 48 Hours Guys Votecount

It's because I killed jesus, isn't it? No one wants to post on Easter Sunday..

Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (2): BT, CF7

Not voting: Serelas, Serious Bananas

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« Last Edit: September 19, 2013, 02:43:20 PM by Shadoweh »


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #620 on: September 19, 2013, 07:09:49 AM »
Basically it's guesswork without knowing anything. Like an equation with all unknowns. I'm still suspicious of that out of nowhere masons claim. Justification "HW is silly" is wonky at best. Still there's no single vote on any of them. Somehow noone except me haven't thought about that they actually might be scum. Yes it's risky. Yet it's highly profitable in return. From what i've seen and can say, that HW likes to gamble somewhat in mafia. So why not? But starting the wagon that noone might follow is, well... waste of a vote. Plus even if we don't have a third party it doesn't make Raikaria any less scummy. Something like that.
Anyway work hours are over. Will be back in an hour or so.

Don't like this thing at all. Honestly the masons case felt more like an attempt to push the case through numbers rather than because the players were scummy, and it feels kind of like distancing from the choice. Also his lack of conviction to follow through and try and convince people isn't really good either, if you have scumspects you try and get them lynched.

Quote from: Schezo
At that point I was fine with either of them going and decided to base my vote off of how my other reads were voting.  I was getting really paranoid of BBM and SB so I figured the best vote would be whatever they didn't want and went with that.  I only had time for a quick skim of them and the things I already mentioned about SB were swaying my vote and I got scared of BBM for basically nothing but that's how the end of the day went down. 

Missed this and it's kind of really bad. It's pretty much distancing from his own vote, and it pretty much reads to me like its mine and BBM's fault for not being on the mislynch wagon.

dont have time to address shit atm, i didn't come back last night which is when i was planning to vote but eh

##Vote: Schezo

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #621 on: September 19, 2013, 08:39:23 AM »
... With a 40% assignment for one of my courses due tomorrow...
Because of this, I will likely not have the time to make a proper post in the thread until tomorrow.
Unless I happen to make one once I finish my assignment at whatever godawful hour.
Which I will probably end up doing.
But either way, don't expect a proper post from me for the next 12~24 hours.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #622 on: September 19, 2013, 09:28:47 AM »
I don't like Schezo defense at all. He says it's my case on him is just superbad, keeps insisting that i didn't claim my role at D1, when i did exactly that and other people noticed it and somehow he didn't.
Off to read the thread some more.
P.S. Take a shot everytime Shadoweh miscount people in votecount. =)
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #623 on: September 19, 2013, 09:58:51 AM »
Humm. Actually i reread Dormio. And Paperblade does have a point. Dormio's D1 posts are pretty much single targeted to the point where he dismisses me in favor of Raikaria. And only votes me in the end. D2 Zak post has some merit and alll in all i'm confused.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #624 on: September 19, 2013, 10:37:41 AM »
I'm just here to ask a few questions.

Actually i reread Dormio. And Paperblade does have a point.
My focus on Raikaria has been mentioned by several people over the course of both D1 and D2.
So why is it only Paperblade's mention that sticks out to you?
Because it looks to me as though you're trying to validate Paperblade's content for some reason, and I have no idea why you would want to do that.

Dormio's D1 posts are pretty much single targeted to the point where he dismisses me in favor of Raikaria.
What of it? I thought Raikaria was more likely to be scum, and that's where my vote went.
I don't see what point you're trying to make here.

And only votes me in the end.
And this is blatantly false, unless I'm horribly mistaken about my own actions.
Could you show me where I switched my vote for you in lieu of Raikaria.

Anyway, back to assignmenting.

CF7

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #625 on: September 19, 2013, 10:44:44 AM »
Your vote here.
I\m not saying, that you're scum, we all make mistakes, it's just a bit odd what pretty much all your focus on D1 was Raikaria.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #626 on: September 19, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »
Your vote here.
I\m not saying, that you're scum, we all make mistakes, it's just a bit odd what pretty much all your focus on D1 was Raikaria.
You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #627 on: September 19, 2013, 10:54:12 AM »
Actually I think I've decided to gut Schezo as town instead. His weird prediction that Raikaria's wagon was scum driven guts town thoughts, along with general weirdness and paranoia.
I guess scum could always call a wagon being "scumdriven" too, but I realized I tried to link Rai and Schezo as scumbuddies the day before.
I dunno, I'd feel better if Schezo was town, but I feel weird trying to change my gut read like that. More gutcheck will be required.

Kind of want to vote Paperblade despite him also voting Dormio with me. His lack of post content is really glaring. He needs more reads on other big people like Schezo and BT, more active participation.

SB and BBM are also forgettable in this game, much to my annoyance.

I have a gut town read on Conq, but I always have a gut town read on Conq.

No real change in opinion on Dummyo. Posts are still mostly long writeups or defending writeups, writeups continue to be inefficient and kind of worthless.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #628 on: September 19, 2013, 10:58:22 AM »
You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?
Oh... Okay.
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #629 on: September 19, 2013, 11:03:54 AM »
Since I'm working on my assignments for now, and therefore not working on writing any cases, I'm going to entertain your thoughts NNR.
How exactly are my posts worthless?
You still haven't answered my repeated question on which of my posts, other than the one on Serela, fail to reach a conclusion.