Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 131091 times)

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: September 16, 2013, 01:31:54 AM »
Probably because there's mistakes in it.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #181 on: September 16, 2013, 03:06:14 AM »
He had a slow start in that game too and was an easy target until there was a scumflip and then he stepped up his game. Not really sure how that applies. I'll definitely reconsider my neutral read once he gives more to work with but right now I'm not super concerned about him.

I guess it's just a difference of opinion of how much "news" leash he should get. Whatever, not a huge deal anyway.

I am unimpressed with Dormio deciding the best response to people starting to turn their heads his way is to parrot my CF7 case and add nothing meaningful to his Raikaria case despite the glut of new content.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #182 on: September 16, 2013, 03:06:36 AM »
*news = newb
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #183 on: September 16, 2013, 03:09:55 AM »
Quiet, Kilga, I'm adding to my thoughts on the newer Raikaria content as we speak.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #184 on: September 16, 2013, 03:10:26 AM »
Though I guess technically we're not actually speaking so maybe I'm not doing anything at all.
Anyway, back to typing.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #185 on: September 16, 2013, 03:41:12 AM »
This game where I have to actually type words is hard.

Even so, my opinion of Raikaria is unchanging. To sum my thoughts so far, I'll write a few more words from the top.
Raikaria's first set of actions are to vote someone randomly, then to defend his actions as being random. Raikaria later explains it with:
I would have certainly swapped my vote by now to someone else who hadn't had a vote yet, to continue my playfulness combined with reaction testing to votes, and how other people reacted to them, during the RVS period.
My original plan was to hop around the people who hadn't been voted during RVS
I asked a question earlier to Raikaria so as to how he expects votes thrown around frequently under the guise of RVS would pressure anyone at all, which Raikaria has yet to answer.
In addition to this, we can look at things like:
That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS.
Which indicates a strong desire from Raikaria to associate himself with having ended RVS.
This is a natural course of action, if you're looking to defend yourself, since ending RVS is an admirable action meant to forward the game and create meaningful discussion that will help us to catch the scums.
However, I feel that Raikaria's words are contradictory with his earlier actions. These, to be precise:
Silly HuhWhat. I do not want to spread votes, I want to spread love! I'm vote carries the love of us all! No-one should be left out~
It's like, what the hell is this? To me, this looks more like an attempt to extend the RVS, rather than ending it.
After dragging the RVS for as long as he could, he quickly changed his tune once it seemed like the RVS was ending so that he could claim to have been aiming for this outcome from the beginning.

After this, we have Raikaria's perusal of Serela.
I could argue that your vote which basically amounts to OMGUS is more reason than anything else, especially if you're taking Huh What's prod at an RVS vote seriously.
First things first. Raikaria's first post, as I've stated earlier and as Schezo has also commented on, is worded in a rather "safe" manner.
Yes, yes, I might be arguing over semantics in analysing the use of "could", but I believe that it says a lot about Raikaria's defensive mentality at the time.
Upon rereading, I notice that my original interpretations of Raikaria's words regarding HW were rather confused, it was 1AM at the time, but whatever.
I saw "HW is messing around" as "HW is making bad cases", or something to that effect. This is my bad.
This doesn't change the fact, though, that Raikaria is really seeming to be overly defensive in making his case on Serela.
I mean, Raikaria's case around Serela seems to hinge around the fact that Serela decided to sheep HW's ED1 reasoning for voting for Raikaria and I am really curious about how Raikaria's opinion might change once Serela actually responds. Provided Serela actually responds.

Speaking of which, please exist Serela.

Anyway, my next point about Raikaria: To further his ambitions to defend himself and keep himself alive, Raikaria seems to have resorted to using emotionally charged language and portraying himself as being victimized in order to garner sympathy so as to not get lynched.
It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?
This very sentence seems contradictory to me.
Raikaria complains about being singled out for RVS shenanigans, when he claims that he was throwing his votes around and attempt to gather reactions.
When combined with his earlier points about wanting to end the RVS, it seems almost believable.
But, in that case, why is Raikaria crying about how he's become the focus of people's attention?
I'd assume that if you're attempting to end the RVS by throwing your vote around where it's most useless, you would be prepared to be voted yourself for it.
And it should be a good thing, shouldn't it? Considering you're trying to end the RVS and all, even if the conversation is centred around you, creating the discussion leads to opportunities to find inconsistencies in people's thought processes through the words that they type.
So why is it that Raikaria is appealing to emotion when he comes under scrutiny himself?
This adds to my earlier assessment that Raikaria was simply trying to associate himself with having ended the RVS, rather than actually attempting to end the RVS.

And I'm a derp, Huh What throwing around that Serela is 'confirmed town' is silly. I retract my statement about there being no real reason to vote him, but I personally do not see him vote-worthy.
HuhWhat: OK, whereas before I didn't see you as much of a problem, this whole 'Serela is confirmed town' and things like saying Conq is posting like he's scum without explaining it is starting to make you look bad in my eyes.
This fencesitting on HW doesn't look that good either. Stating that you have reasons to vote for someone, but refusing to vote for them whilst not disclosing the reasons makes me wonder why one would bother mentioning it at all.
An attempt to look active, and as though you're thinking more about scumhunting than you actually are?
Well, I guess it fits with my hypothesis that Raikaria is simply trying too hard to save his own skin.

And then, despite all that's happened, without Serela's response Raikaria simply doesn't vote anyone at all.
What happened to the supposedly fearless Raikaria that would vote people for their reactions?
Are you really looking for the scum? Because it doesn't look that way to me.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #186 on: September 16, 2013, 03:59:35 AM »
I don't understand NNR's case on Prims. Is he just voting him because he thinks Serela is confirmed town?

I'm not that fond of Yoshino's last post either, it reminds me of the cases I pushed when I was scum in CM4 (I think only Prims will remember this). Lots of tldr focusing on minutiae

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #187 on: September 16, 2013, 04:04:21 AM »
Then would you care to tell me where my assessment is wrong?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #188 on: September 16, 2013, 04:04:40 AM »
Also, heading out to classes so I'll be back whenever.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #189 on: September 16, 2013, 04:04:58 AM »
No Day 1 case could possibly warrant that amount of words. I am largely turned off from considering Raikaria today on sheer principle.

Paperblade: It would seem NNR's case on Prims is mostly dead. It's certainly outdated, at the very least, what with the recent vote switch to Raikaria. It would perhaps be better
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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #190 on: September 16, 2013, 04:05:31 AM »
hurr posting half-thoughts

*It would perhaps be better to focus on NNR's Raikaria case instead.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #191 on: September 16, 2013, 04:07:13 AM »
1.3: Although It's An Unheard of Desire, Post a Votecount

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Raikaria (3): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (2): Kilgamayan, Schezo
Zakeri (3): Serious Bananas, huh what, Conqueror
huh what (2): Zakeri, CF7

Not voting: BT, Raikaria

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« Last Edit: September 16, 2013, 04:30:05 AM by Shadoweh »


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #192 on: September 16, 2013, 04:09:53 AM »
I reread the past few pages three times

I see someone with a blank unvote, another person with a blank unvote, someone who never had a case on anyone to start with, someone voting HW over calling me confirmed town until they give up and go back to an ed1 vote, and...

Wow, having opinions is apparently really hard this game for pretty much everyone?

Gonna try to process some of this more for the sake of having an actual opinion myself, but you people aren't making it easy >:T Then again I guess the day started like 24 hours ago.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #193 on: September 16, 2013, 04:11:49 AM »
Shadoweh why is there two seperate Zakeri wagons in the votecount?

Do the republicans and democrats not want to sit on the same locomotive together

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #194 on: September 16, 2013, 04:21:18 AM »
shadoweh that votecount is a fucking travesty

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« Last Edit: September 16, 2013, 04:24:17 AM by Shadoweh »


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #195 on: September 16, 2013, 04:24:52 AM »
And here I thought we could be best buddies Shadoweh... :(

Also heads up, I'm not around much on weekdays. Probably won't be around until like ~4 hours before phase end, other than maybe a post in the morning.

Dormio, what do you have to say to the one-line rebuttal to your 50-line case, that Raikaria acts similarly to this in most of his games?

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #196 on: September 16, 2013, 04:28:10 AM »
No Day 1 case could possibly warrant that amount of words. I am largely turned off from considering Raikaria today on sheer principle.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not but if it isn't then it's craplogic for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained. :|
Also TBH I'm not really satisfied with your content so far in general, feels like you're not really taking your vote seriously at all. Why should we be voting CF7 and not the other lurker dudes which there are a lot of?

Paper, how do you feel about a lynch on Zak? Same question goes for Kilga, actually. I don't really like how Zak is flying under the radar (despite being a vote leader) for most players since his push on me was really bad and looks like an excuse to do nothing by pushing somebody doing a Silly Thing.

Dormio, the fact that you're hyperfocussing on Raikaria to the point of writing walls about him and nothing about anybody else is Really, Really Bad.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #197 on: September 16, 2013, 04:28:15 AM »
Even if Serela wasn't Confirmed Town, I would think his reaction to me calling him such is pretty town!Serela. Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.
Whether Serela is town or not doesn't matter. Anyone can say anyone is town and have anywhere between 50-100% accuracy rate for various reasons. What I want are the reasons for you saying this, and I can think of three - one that makes you scum, one that makes you null, and one that is impossible in this setup. Ergo I shall continue to press this point.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #198 on: September 16, 2013, 04:32:22 AM »
What do you expect to gain from continuing to press it?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: September 16, 2013, 04:36:25 AM »
Okay, after carefully isoing everyone for their votes, the votecount should be fixed >.>;


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: September 16, 2013, 04:37:51 AM »
tbh I see where Dormio's coming from on Raikaria and I don't think Raikaria's behaviour can simply be dismissed with "he does this every game" because scummy behaviour is still scummy but i agree that the tunneling is bad. Dormio, is Raikaria your only scum read?

actually this game has too many people just picking one target and just harping on them while ignoring other people. like bbm and paperblade, what do you think about a zak wagon since you two have only basically talked about dormio?

zakeri continuing to push the "confirmed town" point and choosing to ignore all the everything else that has already happened in the thread is going for refuge in audacity. like, seriously.


@raikaria, no one else needs to read this:

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every time, you react to the pressure in the beginning of the game like everyone is naturally out to get you for your posting style and guess what, it happens! Complain less, push more. The best defence is a good offense. It makes the game a better read and it makes you easier to read because frankly the amount of words you inevitably put out in defense of your behaviour are pretty alignment independent. I await your scumreads when you return.


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: September 16, 2013, 04:43:06 AM »
it's hard to tell this game has 14 players, feels like half the game isn't here. well, d1, but still.

bt, pls put a vote down, i have no idea who your scumreads are and this behaviour is pretty uncharacteristic for you?


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: September 16, 2013, 04:44:25 AM »
I'm surprised noone said
Take a shot every time Shadoweh fucks up the votecount!

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: September 16, 2013, 04:54:45 AM »
I see someone with a blank unvote, another person with a blank unvote, someone who never had a case on anyone to start with, someone voting HW over calling me confirmed town until they give up and go back to an ed1 vote
All of you need to stop doing these things, Zakeri needs to have opinions that aren't just tunneling HW on calling me confirmed town, it's justified to vote any of you expect maybe Schezo

CF7 isn't much better although it might just be because he hasn't had a chance to post since RVS had barely ended, as I just skimmed the thread and haven't seen anything from him since then

It's hard to even think of considering any of the others (Kilga, Dormio, SB, HW) at all simply because they aren't full of unignorable flaws

Not only that, but so many people being like this at once probably contributes to making it harder for the rest to try to play well (example:see previous sentence)
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: September 16, 2013, 04:58:04 AM »
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I probably don't need to make notepad thoughts for just a page of reading but w/e

Dormio 185 is holy shit tldr
except I am reading it anyway
what the hell is all this
prolonging the RVS...
this is literally a text wall on RVS posts, fuck.
I dunno if I can even agree with this stuff, and I'm voting Raikaria. It's really :tryhard: though, and doesn't have any other reads

Serela 192 is really vauge and says jack fuxking squat about his scumreads. Get on the ball gdi

HW 196 has many agreeable statments, like on Dormio, and stuff on Kilga I failed to notice because I'm awful at mafia. lurker lynch on D1 seems :I tho, kind of an iffy suggestion

Followed of course by Zak, "lurker lynch target", continuing to press what I dropped earlier. As interesting as getting results would be, he still lacks actual scumreads.

unnotable Conq post. Reminds me how many lurkers this game has though. Like Paperblade.
cut by Serela post with actual content
Serela who do you think is scum
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: September 16, 2013, 05:02:49 AM »
NNR's first vote was bad. What's the scum intent in calling somebody Confirmed Town? My vote was fine for ED1 and NNR ignored that I only kept it due to Raikaria having an evasive response when criticizing it. Looks really graspy. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.

I wanted to argue this point but it does look bad in retrospect. It could have been attributed to bad wording, but his thought process is very apparent, and it's to drop the vote, and then hunt around for someone else to vote, rather than legitimately thinking Raikaria is worse and then switching. It also explains why NNR isn't trying to call out HW despite his claims last game of being able to instantly ping him when he's scum. Actually, no, NNR is clearing this up, and I can see why he's getting so confused and frusterated. He was getting pressured to move his vote, and since he gave in, people are calling him scum despite getting what they wanted.

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Because I'm sorry I don't need 86 scumreads day 1.  I have one very clear telegraphed one, don't call me out on not having reads NNR.
You and BT can fight me.
I like your Gusto.
If I don't call somebody out for something, it's because I didn't catch it, not because I'm trying to coast through as scum. I get accused of this in every game that's expected to last beyond a week.

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I mean, what answer to that would have been satisfactory?
I feel like I've already made it clear that there are at least answers that would have satisfied me.

Also the point about my stance on Raikaria - What's wrong with letting people talk about something just because I don't care? Raikaria's not in danger of getting lynched at the point, so I have no reason to defend him directly.

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all i'm gonna say now is that zak coming back and posting really quickly after i prodded him is kind of suspicious
Yes, because I'm psychic and instantly know when someone says my name.

Dormio's 185 is too wordy and lucid to come from a day one town dormio. I agree with the later assesments that it feels like scum trying to gather enough solid reasoning to have a flawless vote where one shouldn't exist.
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Then would you care to tell me where my assessment is wrong?
This really brings the point home. His immediate response to the accusation is to point out that there's no holes in the logic he used.

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What do you expect to gain from continuing to press it?
A reason that I might have missed? One that doesn't suggest you're scum?
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I don't really like how Zak is flying under the radar (despite being a vote leader)
Did you really say this?
"I don't like the fact that nobody is paying attention to Zak (Ignore the part where everyone is paying attention to Zak)."
This is blatantly throwing shit to see what sticks. The only reason you could have brought this point up was to parrot Serious Bananas when he said it. At least it was true back then since he was the first vote on my wagon.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: September 16, 2013, 05:03:47 AM »
cut by Serela post with actual content
Serela who do you think is scum
I haven't really sorted into priorities the five people I mentioned being worth voting, admittedly. This is probably because it's not so much Scummy Things They Did as much as Townie Things They Aren't Doing. (24 hours into the game makes it hard to do much scummy stuff in the first place though, I guess)

But yeah between BT, Zak, Raikaria, NNR, and CF7
we still have 24-ish more hours for them to do the Townie Things They Aren't Doing (without doing scummy stuff) and they probably won't all get better within that time, so

cut but too tired to read before posting
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: September 16, 2013, 05:05:39 AM »
@nnr given the lack of activity from much of the players lurkers are a sizable part of the lynch pool
like do you think zak isn't scummy or do you just not want to lynch him because he's lurking? because the material is out there, but zak is clearly choosing only to pursue the "confirmed town" avenue when it's pretty clear that that wagon isn't going through and zak's barely talked about anyone else. doesnt feel like he's seriously trying to get a scumlynch with the level of effort he's putting out.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: September 16, 2013, 05:07:09 AM »
oops cut by a zak post, reading now. i hate my slow connection


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: September 16, 2013, 05:12:16 AM »
A reason that I might have missed? One that doesn't suggest you're scum?

Did you really say this?
"I don't like the fact that nobody is paying attention to Zak (Ignore the part where everyone is paying attention to Zak)."
This is blatantly throwing shit to see what sticks. The only reason you could have brought this point up was to parrot Serious Bananas when he said it. At least it was true back then since he was the first vote on my wagon.
The problem here is that nothing suggests I'm scum unless you want to make up bullshit possibilities.

Also, look at the context. "Vote leader" means "you have 3 votes", one of them being my own. Most people who weren't voting you were not talking about you. You can't seriously argue everyone is paying attention to you.