Touhou 15 Predictions

[Kenchiwa]

And Mima lol

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

[Imosa]

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

This is the first I'm ever hearing of this.

Now I want to see a music disk with Maribel and Renko where the last line is something like "I guess we can thank Her Lordship Mima for all of this". The scene cuts with Mary and Renko laughing whole heartily.

[Starxsword]

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

Is there a source for this assertion? It sounds bogus to me.

[M M]

How about we have a game with Kanako playable.

SA: goes to the shrine for answers. The one who started all that shit is absent, get some Sanae and Suwako.
UNL: nuclear pit, conspiracy stuff. Suwako and Sanae are playable.
HM: game's about popularity and religion, the spokeswoman of shinto is not playable.
DDC: Sakuya comes back.

Invent something about every character's tool turning into youkai and starting fights and Kanako's onbashira being one of those. Yukari's too lazy to keep barriers, Mima comes back to steal the Yin Yang to doom Gensokyo, add some Kogasa/Cirno and bam, everyone's happy.
Shinki is the extra boss for good measure.

Why do you guys like Mima?!?!

The pose she does while bombing is glorious!

[Clarste]

As far as I can tell, this is the only place where people seem to seriously care about Mima. Or I guess it could be a slightly more elaborate joke than usual. I think the IP issue is probably bogus, but that leads the much more compelling conclusion that ZUN actually doesn't care about Mima at all. Which might break a few hearts I guess.

[game2011]

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

That's not true.  ZUN owns everything in the PC-98 games, so he is free to use those characters whenever he wants to.  He just doesn't want to use them anymore.

[Zil]

In PoDD, it's possible to get 5 Mimas onscreen at once, and I orgasm every time it happens.

[Darkness1]

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

She's the infamous old main character who never appears
About the copyright thing, that sounds really stupid. That seems like just another unexplained rumor to me.

Also, you don't have to triple post you know.

In PoDD, it's possible to get 5 Mimas onscreen at once, and I orgasm every time it happens.

Since I'm pretty bad at PoDD, how does that work? It seems... interesting.

[Nyyl]

As far as I can tell, this is the only place where people seem to seriously care about Mima

No, it's everywhere. It's borderline meme material honestly, I never even take anyone seriously when they talk about Mima

[Clarste]

No, it's everywhere. It's borderline meme material honestly, I never even take anyone seriously when they talk about Mima

The meme is everywhere, but some people here seem terrifyingly serious about it. Or they're just more committed to the joke.

[Tengukami]

that leads the much more compelling conclusion that ZUN actually doesn't care about Mima at all. Which might break a few hearts I guess.

I think you're right. Exhibit A:

Q: What?s happened to the older characters? Like Alice, Yuka-san, and Mima-sama ?
ZUN: Well, it would be a huge pain to try to bring in older characters all the time. They?d show up, and everyone would be, ?Where have you been all this time!?? It?d be weird to fit them into the story. And, I?d rather make new characters. Of course, I won?t say they?ll never show up again ? Hm, Genjii? Well, Reimu can fly, so she doesn?t need him anymore. *g* He?s kind of a Master Roshi character. But he?s a turtle, and turtles are long-lived. He?s probably peacefully living out his days in a pond behind the shrine.

You hear that, Mima fans? Bringing her back would be "a huge pain", it'd be "weird" to resurrect her, and he'd "rather make new characters". And before you jump all over "I won't say they'll never show up again", well, in my experience with interviewing, people don't like to be on record speaking in absolutes, so they usually hedge their bets by adding some "of course, never say never" caveat after they're done saying how they really feel. And we see how ZUN really feels.

The meme is everywhere, but some people here seem terrifyingly serious about it. Or they're just more committed to the joke.

I think you answered you're own question - there may indeed be a handful of dead serious Mima fans, who believe all the signs are there that she will return, and that ZUN in fact has an obligation to bring her back. But I think most of these guys are just familiar with the meme, and see "bring Mima back!" as some kind of badge of being an old school Touhou fan.

[TrueShadow]

I was just going along with the meme, just saying

I'm serious that we might see more stuff about the Outside World in future games, though. Maybe next game will have a smartphone tsukumogami...

[Darkness1]

I'm more of a pc98seihou fan in general, not specifically a Mima fan, but since Mima is the most (in)famous, she's the most fun to use.

Well, Alice and Yuuka did come back in the Windows Era. So there's nothing saying that it's impossible Mima won't. But I do remember ZUN saying something about him not liking Mima's character that much in one of his comments (I think it was in one of the oldest games) and since she haven't come back yet, it's probably true that Alice and Yuuka were just his favorites of the old characters (except Reimu and Marisa of course) and that the pc98 characters that haven't come back yet might never get to.

Other than that, I like Mima simply because she was Marisas teacher (I guess? Not entirely sure if canon).

[TrueShadow]

Wait...next game will be...Tsukumogami Wars!

Main character will be

Spoiler:

MEDICINE!

. After hearing how the Tsukumos and Raiko got new power, she also demand to get it so she can get stronger. Same layout as Fairy Wars, you can go after Benben, Yatsuhashi, or Raiko in different orders. Extra Boss will be

Spoiler:

KOKORO!, who thinks getting outside power is silly

.

Spoiler:

Kogasa will not appear at all because that will be more surprising

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[Tengukami]

Well, Alice and Yuuka did come back in the Windows Era. So there's nothing saying that it's impossible Mima won't

Do check the date of the interview ...

[Zil]

Since I'm pretty bad at PoDD, how does that work? It seems... interesting.

Play as Mima versus Mima, putting the Mima count at 2. Then one of the Mimas has to trigger a boss attack, which, given that you're playing Mima, is Mima, and so raises the Mima count to 3. Then the hard part: you both have to use a spell at the same time (the same frame?) so your spell cut-ins, which are images of Mima, display simultaneously. That gives you two more Mimas, bringing the Mima count to a whopping FIVE MIMAS.

[UnendingEmpire]

I think you answered you're own question - there may indeed be a handful of dead serious Mima fans, who believe all the signs are there that she will return, and that ZUN in fact has an obligation to bring her back. But I think most of these guys are just familiar with the meme, and see "bring Mima back!" as some kind of badge of being an old school Touhou fan.

The meme ones annoy me a little, as they seem to fail to recognize Mima as a whole character rather than a joke :\
I still think she'd be great in HM, though

[Tengukami]

Proof that TH15 will feature Nitori.

EDIT: Not to mention the blogger's name!

[Yuka.k]

Why do you guys like Mima?!?! ZUN doesn't own copyright of her anymore, Amusement Makers does.

Well I never heard that, and well would be good to see Mima around after all this time don't you think?
And lately I was playing touhou 5 and playing as Mima was pretty good

[final_agent]

Possibly another PoFV at this point? I mean, it has been a while.

It could be used to resolve the 'Item War' between youkai created from items and humans who use items a lot, some factions wanting to recruit the new youkai while others want to make sure they don't go far in creating that reverse Gensokyo that would have been created during the last game. Kokoro, Kogasa... hmm, we'll need more item youkai actually besides the few added in 14...

[TrueShadow]

Not really TH15, but I get the feeling that Raiko would be playable in the next fighting game. Or at least featured in Orbidden Scrollery. Her whole 'Outside World power' schtick would be wasted if she just became an extra boss that never appears again. Nope totally not looking at you Flandre and Mokou

[Drake]

I've actually heard that ZUN doesn't own the IP of PC-98 things from quite a few people, actually!

It's still total bullshit though. Everyone hears it from each other and it spreads because it's an easy way for people to justify ZUN not doing things with the older games that doesn't end up with "he doesn't like it/doesn't want to".

I mean I just googled "ZUN doesn't own PC-98" and I ended up with Onimaru of all people claiming this. Recently.

It is generally common knowledge that when he left Amusement Makers to work on his own projects: the Windows series, he was not able (or did not try) to retain the rights to all of the characters from the first 5 Touhou games. You have to remember that Amusement Makers was nothing more than a small student group at a university in Tokyo. Because of this, it is not a well documented thing and I can't easily make any explicit citation. Nevertheless, the PC-98 series was a college project and it is very likely that ZUN could have retained all the rights if he had wanted to. But he either was not able to, or didn't particularly care to.

Like what no. How can you say that you have no citation and Amusement Makers is a student group and it isn't well-documented and he "could have kept the rights if he wanted to", but still just assume that he doesn't own the rights anyways and then go on to say he wasn't able or didn't care.

"Common knowledge" is just codeword for "unsubstantiated claims too many people take for granted as fact".

[The Real MaZe]

Personally I hope it'll be like DDC except with a better resource system. That's about all.

[SeasideCharizard]

Amusement Makers

Do we seriously have to go through this again

Okay I guess we do

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Akyu%27s_Untouched_Score_vol.1
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Akyu%27s_Untouched_Score_vol.2
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Akyu%27s_Untouched_Score_vol.3
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Akyu%27s_Untouched_Score_vol.4
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Akyu%27s_Untouched_Score_vol.5

On an on-topic note, a new Phantasmagoria sounds nice at this point, although since it seems we've gone into a totally new set of games, maybe that can wait for a bit. For a prediction, I'm guessing the next game is probably going to have nothing to do with Touhou 14.

It seems like the recent plot entirely resolved itself within a single game, although there are some hints here and there for something like a Tsukumogami arc. If the rebellion continues to be mentioned, then I guess we really do have another chain of events on our hands.

TBH I'm not really sure what ZUN's going to do at this point; it's all in a rather unpredictable state.

[Failure McFailFace]

On an on-topic note, a new Phantasmagoria sounds nice at this point, although since it seems we've gone into a totally new set of games, maybe that can wait for a bit. For a prediction, I'm guessing the next game is probably going to have nothing to do with Touhou 14.

It's been 11 games since PoFV. We really need a new Phantasmagoria, due to the game count (Eleven??) and the PoXX pattern (happens on odd multiples of 3).

If it is a PoXX game, then have at least 1 representative from each game from EoSD:

• Reimu (Player)
• Marisa (Player)
• Sanae (Player)
• Sakuya (Player)
• Youmu (Player)
• Remilia (EoSD)
• Yuyuko/Yukari (PCB)
• Suika (IaMP)
• Reisen/Eirin ('Cause Kaguya doesn't want to get involved) (IN)
• Eiki Shiki (PoFV)
• Aya (StB)
• Kanako (MoF)
• Tenshi/Iku (SWR)
• Utsuho (SA)
• Byakuren (UFO)
• If the Unnamed Giant Catfish got a name and a humanoid form, then yes (12.3)
• Hatate (DS)
• The 3 Fairies of Light (FW)
• Miko (TD)
• The Mask Youkai in HM
• Sukuna (Special Ability: Snowball bullet spam lol) (DDC)

Character Count: A maximum of 26 characters, if all characters listed make it in.

[ToyoRai]

I wish that the next game would show us a kishin. Maybe Suiki, but showing more of them wouldn't hurt.

Spoiler:

Any new kishins should be called Kinki, Fuuki or Ongyoki (maybe joking)

[Jellyfish]

It's been 11 games since PoFV. We really need a new Phantasmagoria, due to the game count (Eleven??) and the PoXX pattern (happens on odd multiples of 3).

If it is a PoXX game, then have at least 1 representative from each game from EoSD:

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Character Count: A maximum of 26 characters, if all characters listed make it in.

PoFV had 14(?) characters about. A lot of the time we get Stage 5 bosses I think, and I hope some forgotten character from some forgotten hill makes it in to PoXX so that we can all love her again.
I'm not sure the fighting game representatives will make a cameo here, but then again, Suika was a shottype in SA. As far as Final Bosses go, only Yuuka (!) was a final boss playable for PoFV, so I'm not getting my hopes too high. I hope the religion arc has ended full stop with HM, because it makes me confuzzled very much. I also hope more stage 1 and stage 2 from games after 10 come here; Minoriko and her sister, Hina, Parsee, Yamame, Yuyuko, Nazrin, Kyouko and Kogasa (she already appeared so much everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised *cough* if she appeared here) kinda needs more love. I mean, Mystia and Cirno did get in, right? And Tewi, some rabbit from IN that was a midboss. At least one of them will be in the next Phantasmagoria game, I think.

[Kirnis]

Youmu playable again,
Alice playable
Will feature a Futakuchi-onna
And story will be based on another fairy tale,

[Darkness1]

I think a  satsuKirin would be interesting to see :v
A new Phantasmagoria or Photo game might be cool, but please, less major reappearing characters in that case (except the given ones of course, like Reimu/Marisa and maybe Sanae).
Anyways, I thought ZUN said something about revealing more about Sakuyas past? Or is that just for the comics/books.

[TresserT]

A new Phantasmagoria or Photo game might be cool, but please, less major reappearing characters in that case (except the given ones of course, like Reimu/Marisa and maybe Sanae).

Yeah, if PoFV is anything to go bye all the returning characters will either be obvious player characters (Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, etc.) or minor, relatively weak characters (Mystia, Prismrivers, Tewi, etc.). Or Yuuka.

So, going by those guidelines, here's my list.

Reimu
Marisa
Sakuya
Sanae
Youmu
At least 3 new characters
A cameo (I'd prefer PC-98, but I find an early windows character more likely)
Hina/Momiji (Aki sisters are usually treated as a pair, Nitori is already in SA and HM)
Yamame (Yuugi is too strong, I can't imagine why Parsee would leave her bridge)
Ichirin/Nazrin (Everyone else is too strong)
Seiga/Yoshika (Futa,Soga,Miko,Mamizou are too plot relevant, Kyouku is part of the Myouren so doesn't work well for a 10D rep)
Wakasagihime/Sekibanki/Kagerou/Raiko (long list... The Tsukumos are a pair, Sukuna is very plor relevant, Seija is plot relevant but it would still be awesome to have her! Reverse phantasmagoria! Despite being an EX boss, Raiko is still just a tsukumogami. Not crazy powerful like some others)
Kogasa (Because she's Kogasa)

Of course, with ZUN it's really pointless to try and find patterns so this woukd probably never happen