Author Topic: Town Mafia (Game Over) (Read 100588 times)

BT · « **Reply #210 on:** July 20, 2013, 07:37:15 PM »

Holy shit time constraints. My butt hurts because my bed has this dumb 'fence' since forever ago and that's what I'm sitting on right now. Won't have time to properly ~*~brain~*~ this, heart pls take over.

Affinity: My vote might have not been clear enough. I felt like Val's brief "i'm trying" opinions were't genuine, particularly it felt like he dropped his dislike of me as easy as it came (even if he was town speedreading things I don't get why he'd suddenly back off the way he did unless he decided he literally didn't want to bother with it), his early gut on Raikaria being a bad target still seems to come out of nowhere, and there's no reason as to why he sheeped to the thing on Dormio and nothing else. All seem like scum-motivated moves and not town-motivated.

SB: If you want my current take on VM-town, it's that they're trying way too hard to 'catch' the unreadables (BBM and myself in this case, shines through in #100) and I think it's coming from misguided town. Explains why they insist on points which are really pretty weak, maybe they're afraid of letting go of experienced scum or something.

Dormio why did you wait until voting Shadoweh to share your early stuff about her?

Shadoweh aren't you exaggerating when you say you've put more into this game than "the last 5 combined"?

Might have a change of heart wrt Validon. SB suspicion in #143 doesn't sound very newbscum or fake otherwise. (turns out to be a misunderstanding later but that doesn't matter) I think I'll postphone final judgement sometime later because I can't with the same confidence say that Validon should be the lynch for today anymore.

Conq's BBM case reminds me of the cases he usually pulls when he's town. Sounds like a horrible point but *_* this is better than nothing.

My instinctive reaction to the way BBM picked up Val is "too easy".

Oyup Serela exists and my eyes shined the moment VM mentioned "coasting on townreads". I see this and I agree with pretty much everything else now. I'll try being Pope Chuckoobeater this game from now on for the occasion. Disagree with Shadoweh's defense because Serela would have no reason to create crappy scumreads with no pressure on him.

Curious as to why VM thinks Affinity looks town. I'm generally bad at reading him so. SAME QUESTION FOR CONQ what.

Good time to address Shadoweh. I don't know anymore. Thought she was town-effort-ing it up earlier. I'm fucking awful at reading Shadoweh at the end of the day (unless she's scumbuddies with Serela).

In fact I think most of my reads are in the air at this point.

It's possible that scum!Conq would do this too (can't remember the last time I played with one) but the unvote revote unvote revote deadline waffle thing is making me read him as town.

BBM: As was said in #108 I updated some of the paragraphs halfway through which is why my opinion on Raikaria sounded that way. Also in case it isn't obvious from this post part of my mafia philosophy is just pointing out things I find off because they all have a chance of producing replies from scum (to answer why I noted you & SB). Seriously look at this mess of a post.

I will read at night.

##Unvote Validon, ##Vote Serela L-1 warning

BT · « **Reply #211 on:** July 20, 2013, 07:39:14 PM »

##Unkill Validon, ##Kill Serela if it matters.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #212 on:** July 20, 2013, 08:36:32 PM »

Wait wait wait a moment what the fuck.

Mitsuki just reminded me that the very first thing I posted in my hydra QT with Mitsuki was "So claiming VT in this setup would be a scumslip?". Serela claimed VT instead of Mafia Goon.
*would be push harder for lynch with this but he's at L-1 now so I'm happy*

Quote from: BT on July 20, 2013, 07:37:15 PM

Curious as to why VM thinks Affinity looks town. I'm generally bad at reading him so. SAME QUESTION FOR CONQ what

You know how Serela did that thing in that game as scum where he pretended to lose a big post right before deadline and told people to just hammer? Dormio pointed out that as town in that situation one would've tried to make the best use of the time available and try to summarize and put out the important points or at least an outline of the post to be filled later. Affinity reads like he barely has the time to read through the thread and is posting incomplete cases because he's prioritizing putting his vote on who he thinks is scum over filling out all of the reasoning for the vote
and pushing for it. That and he tries to give occasional reads and bits on other players he's not voting which also means he isn't purely concentrating on his vote and leaving all other options open to vote on. I dunno, I feel like scum!Affinity puts out posts that are higher quality overall probably due to proofchecking or trying to give off a better image or w/e.

It's not a very strong read, though. I also generally have a little trouble reading Affinity.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #213 on:** July 20, 2013, 08:49:44 PM »

That last post came out as a mess because Mitsuki was showing me her latest cosplay through skype videochat and she's too beautiful to concentrate on mafia. I figure it's still understandable somewhat.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #214 on:** July 20, 2013, 08:52:03 PM »

I don't really think calling himself a VT instead of a Goon is a scumslip. He might have just translated that into regular terms.

You did make me realize, however, that what would regularly be called as Mafia Goons might exist in this setup, since IIRC Zakeri said at some point that the concentration of PRs was low. That removes the qualms I had about a vanilla claim, as Serela could just be vanilla scum.

BT · « **Reply #215 on:** July 20, 2013, 08:55:12 PM »

You could have let Serela respond to that instead.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #216 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:00:36 PM »

SB are you sticking around long enough to hammer Serela if necessary? I'm pretty sure everybody else who's here now is already voting him.

SB · « **Reply #217 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:01:50 PM »

I am distracted but around. When's deadline, an hour?

Vhaltz · « **Reply #218 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:04:34 PM »

Two. There's some people who are supposed to be getting here barely before deadline but they'll have to read and stuff and last minute deadline panic is a very stressful thing, it'd be nice to know that somebody who has read the thread is around to hammer when time is about to run out.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #219 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:52:29 PM »

Are you guys wagoning me last minute? That's so cute. My wagon is an RVS vote, a terrible vote, Dormio being Dormio and I haven't read Affinity's post but I assume it's because I went to sleep. You know, it's bad policy to give the opposite wagon the hammer. I can't magically see into Serela's heart every time. I don't have a town read on him at least. Why did the BBM wagon dissolve so fast? I think my main concern with the Serelawagon is it's unusual for him to get the attention he deserves if I'm not screaming at him.

Validon: Tch this is why I hate having to change my mind, it's so much easier to just push a lynch and cry later then admit I might be wrong before hand. I'm saying that your claim to have been busy before might be true because your posting has picked up afterwards, in both number and quality, if that makes sense.

Also 1 hour 7 minutes from my count.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #220 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:56:34 PM »

Pudding for Dinner
Validon98: Shadoweh, Serious Bananas (2)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT (6)

Serela is at K-1

With 12 alive, it's takes 7 to decide the night kill.
There is only 1 Hour left in the night.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #221 on:** July 20, 2013, 09:58:36 PM »

That feels like an overreaction when you're probably not getting lynched today. How does Dormio being Dormio make his vote bad? And Affinity is voting you for your Validon case btw.

Also, there are 4 players other than you and Serela who could hammer Serela, one of whom has confirmed being there for deadline.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #222 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:01:59 PM »

Conq you whore, how dare you imply that I would have trouble bussing Serela if he looked like a sinking ship at the first opportunity. You wonder why I can't get a read on him when the worst thing you can say about him is he isn't posting, and that it might be town or scum. He's being useless but he's having trouble giving out a read other then Vhaltz is town, unless he's scum with Serious Bananas I'm not sure if he's just flooundering or not.

Pro-tip scum me knows people love votes so I prioritize looking good on a wagon over anything else. Not that anyone ever believes me when I tell them COMMON MAFIA SENSE.

BBM: Dormio's original case on me was based on a joke I made early game and he doesn't tend to change his mind no matter how much you argue with him. I'm not taking it as an alignment tell. I supose it doesn't matter for this game. I'm just flabbergasted by the QUALITY of wagons I accrue sometimes (it's reminiscent of C7D and I think my entire wagon there was town >_> )

Well Validon might be town so it might be a fair accusation. I literally just woke up so I'm still rereadin.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #223 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:08:20 PM »

Re: VT claim stuff, it's possible Serela got tired of claiming something hard, his fakeclaims are sometimes so terrible they get him lynched, but I think I'd at least pressure him to claim cop to see if there is one in this setup. (Or roleclop I guess? A Mafia cop doesn't make much sense and he'd be able to sound excited about being it again.)

So yeah I don't think he'd claim vanilla is what I'm saying. This is awkward because I'm not going to vote myself.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #224 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:10:36 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on July 20, 2013, 10:01:59 PM

Conq you whore, how dare you imply that I would have trouble bussing Serela if he looked like a sinking ship at the first opportunity. You wonder why I can't get a read on him when the worst thing you can say about him is he isn't posting, and that it might be town or scum. He's being useless but he's having trouble giving out a read other then Vhaltz is town, unless he's scum with Serious Bananas I'm not sure if he's just flooundering or not.

P sure Conq just agreed with my case and started waffling on it when Serela claimed, then just needed to say something when voting Serela again because empty votes are not cool, and focused on how losing him as town if we're wrong wouldn't be that bad because that'd let him sleep with peace of mind.
Meaning that not posting wouldn't be the only thing that's he thinks is scummy etc.

Cut. Well I'm still pretty sure he's scum and we're not no lynching so.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #225 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:22:34 PM »

So you think Conq was just making stuff up to get his vote back on Serela? :V I'm not sure how to take that. Focusing on how someone isn't an asset is insulting and basically what you say when you can't think of a reason they're actually scum.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #226 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:27:59 PM »

Eh, nope I must've worded that really weird. Conq is townie mctownman.
It's more like he was just putting his vote back on Serela because it was still the best thing he could do and he was trying to convince himself that it was a good idea to do so because he was all waffles on him. Going to sleep when putting your vote down on somebody you suspect might actually be town is hard.

SB · « **Reply #227 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:40:34 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on July 20, 2013, 09:52:29 PM

Are you guys wagoning me last minute? That's so cute. My wagon is an RVS vote, a terrible vote, Dormio being Dormio and I haven't read Affinity's post but I assume it's because I went to sleep. You know, it's bad policy to give the opposite wagon the hammer. I can't magically see into Serela's heart every time. I don't have a town read on him at least. Why did the BBM wagon dissolve so fast? I think my main concern with the Serelawagon is it's unusual for him to get the attention he deserves if I'm not screaming at him.

So basically a vote that means nothing, two votes that you disagree with and a vote that you haven't even bothered reading the reason for. That's only two or three serious votes on you out of the seven needed. There's also what BBM said about you overreacting when you're probably not getting lynched. I don't like it.

How many minutes?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #228 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:41:51 PM »

Affinity said he would post why he's voting me later, and later doesn't appear to have come yet. Coaching my scumbuddies is more of a QT event. I agree with what Vhaltz said about AffiniBadPerson posting more flowery for lack of a better word. So basically other then Raitaki you're all probtown, go away you dopes.

The problem is other then Validon there's no one else to lynch right now, and people are against that lynch enough that I've been taking heat for pushing it. The buddy talk is annoying because Serela isn't going to flip green + Day 1 buddies lewl. I'm annoyed that Serela didn't make a last reads post so I could at least try to push a Raitaki Wonder Wagon.

I agree that voting Your Side and pushing a case on Your Side despite doubts makes your stomach hurt. Objectively if you're resorting to that kind of evidence someone else should have stepped in and stopped this from going through. Serela wasn't even a legit wagon before I went to sleep.

19 mins. And I have clearly read the reasoning now that I've had time thank you very much.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #229 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:46:55 PM »

Yep, the last minute "shit he might flip town" is here just like when we lynched Pyoa Aaaa. If Town!Serela just gave up I'll be very disappointed =/

No time for wonderwagons and I don't think lynching Shadoweh over Serela is a good idea, might as well just man up and just see what the flip turns out to be. Here's hoping he really is the scumlord he's been posting like.

Less than 15 minutes now I say hammer as late as 10 mins to the deadline.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #230 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:50:01 PM »

No change in voting
10 Minutes Remain

SB · « **Reply #231 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:50:51 PM »

Any objections to me hammering now then?

I think a last minute lynch switch to Shadoweh would be pretty silly right now.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #232 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:52:20 PM »

I just mentioned that just in case you were implying we should do that in your last post.

Hammer away.

SB · « **Reply #233 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:53:29 PM »

Just checking.

##Unkill
##Kill: Serela

revenge for villains

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #234 on:** July 20, 2013, 10:57:06 PM »

NightKill
Validon98: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela: BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT, Serious Bananas (7)

It is now Morning
You all wake up to find the body of Serela with a bullet wound in him.

Quote from: Town Mafia Role PM

You are Serela, The Final Nail in the Coffin. Or you would be if you were a part of the Mafia.
Instead, You are the Town Mason. You have no abilities beyond your part to control the nightkill, the town lynch, and the ability to discuss the game in the thread.
You win when your faction (town) collectively holds voting majority over the nightkill.

It is now Day 2. You may go about your daily business, but remember to keep hush on the game content. We don't want to alert the town!
If you have any day actions, please submit them to Me and PX via PM.
Day ends in Approximately 24 hours from now.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #235 on:** July 20, 2013, 11:34:47 PM »

Man, I went to sleep and woke up and this happened.
But I sure am doing that thing again.
I got myself Fallout 3 two days ago during the steam summer sale.
So considering I got the bloody game two days ago, had to spend time downloading it twice with shitty Australian internet, spent an hour or two modding it, and got in a couple of games of DotA 2, why do I have 17 hours logged on this thing? Bloody hell.
Fuck this steam summer sale.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #236 on:** July 20, 2013, 11:39:35 PM »

Speaking of DotA. Man, DotA is way too hard for me.
One of these days the despair that DotA causes will make me start solo queuing again. Seriously.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #237 on:** July 20, 2013, 11:40:43 PM »

Also, that whole trading card system that Steam implemented?
Fuck that shit.
Holy fuck trading takes up way too much of my time.
And since they're putting in cards for so many games I have to log like 2+ more hours on each of them. Screw that noise.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #238 on:** July 20, 2013, 11:57:03 PM »

And then there was the player card system for DotA. Oh man. Screw that too.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #239 on:** July 21, 2013, 12:04:57 AM »

Games are supposed to be a fun thing man, take it easy