Town Mafia (Game Over)

[Affinity]

Vhaltz is being tryhard, a bit noisy since I don't agree with his premises, and his assumptions on what a good and not so good player does.  Isn't it subjective.  Reaction tests are also dubious from so long ago.  So meta-ey I don't think I can extend my sphere of understanding onto his vote and his reasons

BBM I remember harping on town!him a lot about his side-suspicions that seem to go nowhere.  I'm not so ready to implicate him for that anymore.

This is only like 15% of my normal town self so please stay tuned.  Let me say as a preliminary that I don't like the Validon votes at all, and that I don't think scumbuddies would allow him to backtrack on reads and stuff.  I find it hm that BT doesn't like him for not reading his posts and coming to a sudden epiphany, when his reportery posts plainly shows that he has not been following the game very well despite trying (all null).  Expecting too much maybe?  I'll go with BT and elaborate more tomorrow morning.

##Kill: BT

ninja: eh it seems that Validon has meta that makes his current conduct strange?  ill think about it tomorrow morning.

[Conqueror]

Affinity, it's from an anon game so it's not perfect, but here. I agree that otherwise it could just be standard newbie confusion but in light of his most recent game it's a big change in how he gets and develops his reads. I'm wavering a little when I look at his first game in Rewrite Mafia so that's partially why I prefer BBM atm.

On BBM, I didn't actually read Rewrite Mafia that closely so I might take a look at that tomorrow if you have time, but you think his behavior now lines up with his play there?

[Conqueror]

Raitaki needs to post sense (why are you voting Shadoweh for you not getting a townread on her, why does that set her apart from everyone else you don't have a townread on; looks like you're just posting words to fill your vote) and Serela needs to do something other than defend BBM from Vhaltz's confirmation post DAY 1 STRONG CASE because it's an easy thing for Serela to do as either alignment.

Dormio, the laws of nature dictate that you're not allowed to vote me now that I've replaced in for Raikaria. Get dunked.  :smug:

If I post anymore here I'm not going to wake up in time for work tomorrow today. See you in 24 hours ish.

[Validon98]

Conqueror, when it comes down to Dormio, it was basically something that caught my eye while I was reading. I was also somewhat rushing too, because I needed to leave. So like most if not all of my other opinions, I'm not entirely certain he's scum either.
Affinity is right on the mark that I haven't followed the game that well. There's a lot of content to go through and I skimmed through a lot of it. It's not because of an unwillingness to play, but rather from the fact that I've had to rush the reading in some cases. Hence I've missed some stuff.
Affinity, to explain the meta thing, the last two games I've been really rash in my opinions, more or less agreeing with other people and not providing much reasoning of my own. The fact that I went against the Raikaria wagon somehow has made Shadoweh go "huh, what the fuck?" despite the fact I was, at the time, on the BBM wagon. I practically sheeped that and somehow that got lost over the Raikaria thing. I'm not entirely sure if it was just an oversight on Shadoweh's part or she was trying to come up with an excuse to vote me.
Do realize that because I am not on the Raikaria wagon, I'm not going to vote you either. You're also right when it comes to Raitaki: He's posted so little that I have no idea what to think of him.
As for BBM, I did notice how he was spinning Raikaria's posts in scummy ways before. To be honest I don't exactly know why I unvoted him. I think that slipped my mind when I was making my big opinion post which did end up being a lot of nulls for no reason. Being in a rush + remembering what people have done = BAD DECISIONS HO!

##Kill: BBM

inb4 VALIDON Y U VOTE BBM AFTER UNVOTE SO QUICK WAT DA FUQ?

[BigBangMeteor]

First off, I gotta go somewhere soon so this post might be rushed and will most likely not answer everything. I'll probably also be gone for most of the rest of the day.

Anyways, I rarely speak in terms of "Player X is suspicious", unless I'm summing up my read on somebody. Most of the time I prefer "I dislike this thing that Player X is doing" because my overall read on someone is based on an aggregate scumminess of all their posts. I can dislike one thing and like another thing that someone is doing.

WRT me not following up on Dormio- what was there to follow up on? It was literally in Dormio's very next post after I said I thought he was ignoring stuff that he posted opinions, and I happened to agree with them. As for my overall thoughts on him, what he has posted, I think is okay, but I still think it's quite narrow. That one post that I said I liked is, I think, his only real content post. So I'm still somewhat suspicious, but that doesn't mean that I can't agree with what he said about Raikaria.

Yeah, Raikaria said he was busy in one of his last posts before subbing out. That's not why it was an appeal to emotion. It was an appeal because he was like "RVS ended as soon as people started misrepping me", which had a whiny tone to it that I didn't like. I'll apologize in postgame if I'm wrong (for whatever that's worth) but I cannot see how I misrepped Raikaria early on, I really can't. Earlier, I bolded the section of the post where he said that he was good at MAKING people take a stab at him. That implies intention to me, and then first saying it was a gutread, then defending it as nothing more or less than a gutread, and then saying it was just a joke, sounds all over the place to me in a way that I think is scummy. And yeah, BT, I think backtracking to defend yourself is scummy and I vote people for it.

About me trying to make out that I'm a worse player than I actually am- I'm not saying I'm a bad player, or a new player. I'm experienced enough to know strategies and lingo like Availability Cascade, but that doesn't mean I can't make mistakes, and it legitimately confused me that from the get go, VM was placing me under such high standards, where a post saying I was confused was enough for a vote that at the time, VM was making out to be very serious. I don't get his logic regarding me, but I think he's probably town if only because people were finding him town for his long, rambly, and stubborn cases against me, and he just took back large chunks of his case as one large ploy to get out of RVS. I don't think scum would just throw away towncred like that.

I dislike how Shadoweh is like "Validon made mistakes in his last game, so he's not improving". Okay, he didn't improve in his last game. Why does that mean he can't be getting better in this game? She asks him to show how he's improved, but she's literally on his case for NOT sheeping and wagoning. Isn't that a case just there of him improving? As for me voting Raikaria for saying things that could be misinterpreted- that's not why I'm voting him.

That being said, Validon's listpost was completely useless as it basically said everyone except one or two people were nullreads. It was a huge bunch of fluff.

It's like evening now in Britland and I talked to SB for a while in GMT morning, so I know he was here today. Post more dude.

More when I come back at night.

[Raitaki]

Lunch break and popping in to say that I'm trying to negotiate to be able to stay home for the rest of the day
Also cousins expressed interest in going tomorrow to so just consider me V/LA for like 36 hours I guess? >_> After that I should have plenty of internet time for this

[Shadoweh]

My case isn't that 'Validon is not making mistakes' , it's more like 'Validon has been replaced by a secret bear, let's see if anyone notices.' Saying that I said he's not improving is also putting words in my mouth. I clearly don't believe that he would lurk without saying much about what's going on as Our Side, it's like he doesn't want to be involved in the game. If there's one thing I've given him credit before it's his ~*~motivation~*~ and right now his only motivation is to call me crazy for poking him. :V Conq immediately said everything I did more eloquently (even the BBM-Dormio thing aaaaa <3 )

Affinity sounds like he just woke up, in my head he has curlers in his hair, huge bags under his eyes and a mug of black coffee as he's posting. I will at least reply that for Validon to backtrack on reads he would have had to make them in the first place.

Raitaki what the hell there are less then 36 hours left in Day 1.

[SB]

Hey I'm back way later than I said I would be but who cares

I never said it's usually the first ones. I actually planned to wait a bit longer before reacting to votes on me, since usually it's not the ones who jump first. The early jumpers are usually the town, because I've done something slightly silly. Those people are scumhunting. It's the sharks that come in later, once there is a drop of blood in the water.

Besides, how often do I *not* get ED1 wagoned? You may not know BBM, but it's kinda a regular occurrence for me to get ED1 wagon'ed. It even happened in Sereliest where I was Romney. I'm just *really* bad with ED1.

I don't think the whole early/late thing matters much in RVS/barely out of RVS stage of the game, since there isn't a lot to go off of and votes are weak in general, so scum can switch around easily without evoking much suspicion.

Complaining about getting wagoned in ED1 isn't going to make us stop doing it, not really sure what the point of that part of your post was.

There was more to this post and I kind of bugs me but I can't figure out what it was so I'm skipping past it for now.

I honest to god do not see how the bolded does not imply intention. When you MAKE someone try and stab at something, that's normally intentional.

I read it in a kind of sarcastic tone so either BBM didn't or he's kind of twisting Vhaltz's words (sorry but remembering your full name is kind of annoying so lol) which I don't like. Leaning towards the latter possibility.

I'm perfectly happy with not being around at LYLO. I've been around at LYO so not-often that I'm probobly as likely to screw the town as Serela.

Not only is this a pretty massive overreaction to the amount of votes on him (wasn't even that far into day 1 if you count the extension) this defeatist attitude really bugs me. Reads as either apathetic town or mafia coasting, neither of which are good for the town.

oh my goodness the walls.

my last post had mafia as town and town as mafia btw.

I will continue to use that convention because brain is wired that way.

Don't like how Dan dropped in to just say this without giving any reads/opinions on the game after not posting for quite some time.

Okay, reading Raikaria town as of the moment. Seriously, if people are on Rai's case because of the way the vote on BBM was phrased, you've got to be shitting me. BT is looking more scummy but that's mainly from the "OH LOOK THE VOTE OBVIOUSLY IS COMING FROM SCUM BECAUSE OF GUT" thing he did when he first voted Rai, so I'm not going to vote for him yet. Seriously, though, I could tell it was a joke. So was my vote. =_=;

I believe BBM's confusion as well. I myself was confused when I got my role PM. However, that's not a clear in any way. Rai has a point about the ED1 thing: You misrepped the case. My vote for now stays where it is.

cut by bbm screw you too dude

Don't like Vhaltz's #69 since he seems to be absolutely sure that BBM is scum trying to get towncred and absolutely ignoring the fact that BBM might be a townie who just got confused (I did too, does that make me scum?) and I agree with BBM that there isn't even towncred to be gained then, so yeah.

Keep getting distracted by other stuff (screw you skype/sf), gonna make myself a drink and hopefully power through the rest (yell at me if I don't)

[SB]

oh, just noticed the time of bbm's post (just saw it in the recent posts and didn't check it doop) so no i wasn't making that post for 5 hours, I'm not THAT bad at focussing

[Shadoweh]

SB, Raikaria has been replaced by Conqueror, he's probably not going to answer your calls anymore. :< BT asked you specifically what your read on BBM is considering your experience with him. Specifically:

I'm not sure what I think of BBM aside from what I already said. I honestly don't see much to reap from his "I'm confused" post. I don't think smarttown!BBM would have *definitely* avoided posting that as you say. I think it's behavioral, and since none of us know BBM's behavior all that well I don't see this going places.

Uh, no, wait, actually, SB does. He should tell us what he thinks.

[Validon98]

Wait, you're saying that you think I don't want to be involved? Look, Shadoweh, my schedule is all out of whack. I've been trying to post when I can. I haven't lost interest in the game and I'm not lurking. I'm just on at bad intervals in your mind and the all day field trip I took two days ago just happened to coincide with not only the MoTKchan thing, but with a significant portion of Night 1. I wasn't able to post for at least a day.
By the way, Serious Bananas posted the quote where I gave my reasoning on BBM. How I forgot that reasoning when I made my opinion post that's basically a whole lot of "I have no idea what to think," I have no clue. Here is my reasoning again:

I believe BBM's confusion as well. I myself was confused when I got my role PM. However, that's not a clear in any way. Rai has a point about the ED1 thing: You misrepped the case. My vote for now stays where it is.

This is based off of one of Raikaria's earlier posts, #63 to be exact.

At this point, I'm just kind of shaking my head at Shadoweh because of this whole "lol why you no post for so long" thing. >_>;

[SB]

Well. Not there yet but I'm still gonna pick at stuff that Rai posted that I didn't like, even if he's not there to answer because I'm like that. I'm not at the point that BT asked for my BBM read yet, and I don't think it'd be good to give a finite read while I've still got a few pages to read. I'm pretty much null on him right now, aside from that one point I had in my last post. Probably worth noting that I'm not really good at metaing people. The only scumtell of BBM I really remember all that well is him preemptively asking questions to people before they've had a chance to respond to new information (like a flip or something.) Continuing reading now.

[SB]

Also everyone should just call me SB it's way easier

[Validon98]

Also, SB reminded me of something: What the hell happened to ActionDan? Seriously, he's done like nothing this whole game and the quote SB posted irks me as well. ActionDan, where are you and what's your opinion on the current arguments circulating around?

[Validon98]

Also Raitaki. That's two people now that have just kind of slipped into the background while the rest of us have been arguing.

[SB]

Yoshino's post #68 comment about Vhaltz tryharding doesn't really tell us what he thinks of him, he seems to be okay with him even though he disagrees with the vote. Elaborate?

pedit: validon apparently isn't ready because shadoweh JUST mentioned that rai subbed out, not sure if it's suspect or he's just being dumb

Excuse me this is something you should do naturally kthx. And yes actually, the reverse logic is something you can use. We may not have our mafia quicktopic but we still connect on a hivemind level! Vhaltz's post is very focused on who the scum is, I wouldn't call it waffley at all. Waffley is when a post is almost contradictory in content, driving one way to the other, like a palm tree in the breeze. I wouldn't even call it defensive, he's not trying to defend his personal character, he's defending his case, it's different. Everyone wants to be Right.  :objection!:

urk not waffly, I meant fluffy/filler

Yoshino's #86 is pointless and he doesn't even seem like he follows it up with anything of actual worth.

wait there are (were) two people named rai(something) in this game
this is annoying
it also means that validon can read, nvm

Raitaki's post #90 isn't a good vote for shadoweh imo, it's like, "shadoweh hasn't talked about how she (is shadoweh a she?) suspects people other than the people she's voting for.)" I felt like I was kind of townreading her earlier so this might be part of the reason for it, and telling people to get content isn't a bad thing.

Vhaltz's #91 is kind of an icky vote too since it seems to be pretty much entirely meta apart from the wagon hopping thing which isn't really a major point imo since he's changed his vote once up to this point

having to figure out who dormio is gave me an idea, can someone give me a nickname list or something so I don't get confused on people?
oh fuck i spy 3 massive walls of text one after another why

Validon's #98 is really bad since it's essentially a listpost that sugarcoats the fact that he has nullreads on 80+% of the game and in some cases I can't even read what he's saying. The empty unvote is pretty bad too, right now I'm thinking about throwing my vote on him.

ignoring #100 for now since it's a massive wall that i can't concentrate on (what the fuck me it's only midnight) but serela's criticisms of it 2 posts later seem fair at a glance

The ED1 confirmation post part of the case is completely gone from my revamped case other than the fact that the truly scummy things in BBM's play come from replying to it.

this implies that it was a weak point that you shouldn't have pursued in the first place and I don't like it (also damnit serela now i want mcdonalds)

actually sorry to leave you all hanging again but I just want to sleep and sort this shit out in the morning, for now my BBM vote is the same as it has been and i'm not really sure why people are townreading Vhaltz?

##Unvote
##Vote: Validon

Like I said I would.

[Validon98]

pedit: validon apparently isn't ready because shadoweh JUST mentioned that rai subbed out, not sure if it's suspect or he's just being dumb

*faceplam* I was taking about RAITAKI, not RAIKARIA. I know Raikaria subbed out. And you say I'm not ready. >_>;

actually sorry to leave you all hanging again but I just want to sleep and sort this shit out in the morning, for now my BBM vote is the same as it has been and i'm not really sure why people are townreading Vhaltz?

So wait, if your BBM vote is the same as it has been, why vote me then? I know my list was bad, but it sounds more like you want to vote BBM yet can't. Um... explanation?

[Shadoweh]

Dormio is Yoshino, if you look under the really cute hooded girl his nickname is 'Dormio Ergo Sum'. Everyone else is using regular names p sure
And Shadoweh is a girl despite Neko's propaganda. People are 'town'reading Vhaltz because otherwise they would have to read his posts he has an obvious interest in getting The Bad Guys, it's more like how could he not be on our side?

I'm watchingish but will be busy for a few hours and if I get caught posting in the mafia they'll remove all my fingers >.>

[Vhaltz]

Updating to say I'm kind of waffling on Validon after reading recent posts and Mitsuki popping back into the QT after spending the whole day out at a con.

The thing is, though, I had an unpleasant gut feeling with the way the first few Validon votes popped up, Shadoweh seemed to be faking anger and conviction to push the case and that still seemed fine at that point of the game when stuff was still on its way out of the RVS-content transition, but then she proceeds to stick to the case all the way to now. So Shadoweh is just -??? can't quite read-, which isn't that bad, but then there's the way BT jumped on Validon as well that really made me go what. His vote irked me before because of the weird thing with Shadoweh, now it strikes me as outright scummy but I can't seem to put why into words. Affinity seems to get the same impression with the Validon votes but what I feel about BT's vote is different from what he seems to be going on about in his vote.
Mitsuki and I are both changing our minds on him back and forth from town to scummy and it doesn't look like we'll reach a conclusion before she leaves again. For the time being I don't really like/trust the wagon on him, plus weak town are easy mislynch targets etc.


Also, I'm thinking I might support an ActionDan lynch if I wake up tomorrow morning and there's no new posts by him. I'm unsure how pressed for time he is but at least Raitaki is keeping us up to date with his IRL troubles to get back at us. It's just really meh to be 48 hours into the day and see that Dan hasn't even attempted to scumhunt yet. One would figure that he would think lurking is Not That Good An Idea when this was a constant in his last scum game, regardless of what he rolled this game, so what is with the inactivity?

My eyes keep closing on their own so time for sleep.
Cut by SB. Blergh. Okay I'll read it real quick since it's just a bunch of short sentences.

Seems like you're just taking shots at me for being wordy by calling it fluff and I can't tell what you think of my alignment or anybody else's even if you're also talking about them like Validon, you might want to condense your cases by person you're addressing rather than going by chronological order to make it easier for people who have already gone through the thread a long time ago.

this implies that it was a weak point that you shouldn't have pursued in the first place and I don't like it (also damnit serela now i want mcdonalds)

You might just understand this if you decide not to conveniently ignore #100 and read at least the very first sentence in the very first paragraph in it. It's bad that you're implying you think I'm scummy when you don't seem to be willing to read your own scumread.
I don't like this but I'll postpone judgement in case this is just an OMGUS train of thought that isn't being suppressed in my brain due to being too tired. Would like to see what other people think of this -not reading your own scumread- point just in case I'm still feeling unclear about it tomorrow morning.

Anyway if over half your beef on me is going to be on fluff you might as well put the effort into bolding the parts of my posts that are objectively irrelevant/contentless and weigh the ratio of content vs fluff.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hi.

Anyway, I know there were things I wanted to respond to before I went to sleep last night so let me go find it.

There was a small thing though. Dormio, why is Shadoweh still so lynchable that you'd barely vote Raikaria over her when so convinced that Raikaria is scum?

Oh, here it is. And that reminds me, since Raikaria is gone and I doubt that I can get any form of agreement to lynch the slot anyway.
That and I never want to lynch Conq ever despite the fact that he always seems to be in the opposite faction to me.
##Unkill RaikariaConqueror
##Kill Shadoweh

First of all, this post.
In particular, this part:

You shouldn't make decisions on what to say because you think it'll make you look townie, Vhaltz, only the townies need to care about being good little boys. You're not a good little boy, are you?

It's like, a coaching and telegraphing in one combo.
This gives Shadoweh a reason to shift her vote later onto Vhaltz if it looked like a wagon would pick up for some reason and she could simply cite this as her reasoning which would also possibly absolve her of bandwagoning if necessary.
Of course, since there isn't any support for a Vhaltz wagon, Shadoweh drops this completely.
I mean if you look here, Shadoweh's moved to justifying Vhaltz's actions for him. What's up with that?
Also, if you look at this post where Shadoweh blasts Validon, she actually only points out some logical fallacies that Validon has made. Nowhere does Shadoweh mention how bad logic = scum.
The next couple of posts that Shadoweh makes doesn't have her pushing her scumreads at all.
No. Instead, Shadoweh prods Serela for content and then just defends herself for a while.
Shadoweh's next post where she actually starts talking about her scumpick again basically boils down to "Validon is trying something different and therefore must be scum".
I really don't like how hard Shadoweh is pushing this. Especially considering that Validon is a newer player and if Shadoweh wants to bring meta into this then couldn't it also be said that newer players tend to try to change the most as they find what fits them?
I think that Shadoweh is probably looking for an easy mislynch or something for D1 that won't give us much information about connections etc.
Eh, I dunno, I'm probably just going insane.
Anyway, I'll probably read other stuff later or something.

having to figure out who dormio is gave me an idea, can someone give me a nickname list or something so I don't get confused on people?

Most of it is the straightforward except for me. I'm Dormio.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yoshino's post #68 comment about Vhaltz tryharding doesn't really tell us what he thinks of him, he seems to be okay with him even though he disagrees with the vote. Elaborate?

Oh. Basically, Vhaltz's vote was way too tryhard for me to take seriously, but I don't really mind what he was doing at the time.

[Affinity]

@Conq: Town!BBM was on me pretty hard for most of Rewrite.  He raised lots of suspicions on other people as well but did not follow through with them.  They would disappear from post to post, it seems similar with now.

@Validon: You voted BBM for twisting words (which happened some time ago), but you only considered Raikaria's side of the argument and not BBM's response; could you tell us what you think of the latter.  Also what do you think about other people disagreeing with the BBM case etc; these are some lines of reflection you can go on.

===

Okay, there's a big change in the way Validon is posting, but pegging it to him being newb!scum or a bear is only one of many possibilities?  He could just be confused as he says.  I know he's not encouraging with nullreads peppered with tidbits, and that his last vote on BBM is bewildering, but it seems too easy.  Too much of a magnet.  Why wouldn't scumbuddies help him?  SB's jump looks a bit ugly actually.

I'm voting for BT because he felt that Validon backtrack on him should not happen if he had been reading his posts.  But the main issue here is that Validon has not been reading the entire game well at all before his post, referring to very little cases and posts by others.  BT's use of such a general reason (Validon's confusion) to fit such a specialized mold (Validon's backtrack on BT) is fishy.

[Shadoweh]

Pfft. Dormio, that wasn't me accusing Vhaltz of being on The Bad Guy Side. \~*~it's joke~*~/ Because we are the scum!
I don't know why people keep saying I'm faking being angry or having conviction, I'm quite serious about what I've been posting regarding Validon. Just because you faked a case Vhaltz, doesn't mean anyone pushing something strongly is just pretending. I wouldn't say I'm mad at Validon, I don't get mad at The Bad Guys for doing what they've got to do. Except when they accuse me of coasting in a game I've put more effort into then probably the last five games combined, that makes me want to strangle people.

[Validon98]

In terms of BBM's response to Raikaria's post that I used as evidence, it basically looks like the last of the argument between the two left off with BBM asking Raikaria for opinions and then Raikaria having to sub out. So while BBM had a response, it didn't really go anywhere, hence why I sort of ignored it.
I haven't read too deeply so far as to why certain people aren't voting BBM (some of the ones that aren't voting him are still somewhat suspicious of him but that's not everyone). The one that confuses me the most is SB, though. He basically says that his BBM vote is "staying the same," and yet he goes and votes me anyways. Sounds like either the words of a tired person or scum. Then again SB's posts are kind of hard to follow at times so maybe he is just tired? I'm not shaking the feeling that he might be scum, though. Everyone else is a shrug at this point until I actually reread further.

[ActionDan]

Dan, gimme something so I can know this ain't a Shirley Temple rerun. Where are your reads, like at all?

I'll give you more than any girl ever could!   If you know what I mean wink wink.

Gimme like 2 hours straight to read through this long 5 pages.

[ActionDan]

Progress report.

Still middle of page 2.

Vhaltz, Shadoweh, Raikaria town so far.

[BigBangMeteor]

Raikaria/Conq lynch is not happening so I'm going to ##Unvote, ##Vote: Serela.

Conflicted about Shadoweh. I don't like the logic of her cases but her tone reads town so idk. I don't want to vote her right now. My problem with Dormio is more inactivity than content-related, so I'll hold off on that for now too.

Serela has done like absolutely nothing all game other than defend me and attack the reasoning of VM's arguments against me. Except he stated early on that he was leaning town on VM, so he has no scumhunting whatsoever. The defending me is probably a towncred ploy to distance himself from my lynch. He's active lurking pretty hard. A lot worse than Dan and Raitaki, who just haven't really posted that much at all.

My head hurts so I can't really remember what parts of my defence I didn't have time for earlier. If there's anything people want me to respond to, or if they want me to claim, speak up.

[BigBangMeteor]

And yeah I'm aware that Serela has no votes on him and is therefore further away from a lynch than Raikaria/Conq, but I feel that people might be more willing to wagon him than Conq anyways because he legitimately has zero content.

I'd be okay with lynching Validon too, his content consists of just going back and forth on me and labeling everyone else in the game as null. His only listed reason for finding me scummy is my apparent misrep of Raikaria early on. I don't think he's even looked at any of my other posts, which I don't like. If I'm literally his only scumread, he should be putting more of an effort into analyzing my posts.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

My problem with Dormio is more inactivity than content-related

Steam summer sale. Good luck!

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Pfft. Dormio, that wasn't me accusing Vhaltz of being on The Bad Guy Side. \~*~it's joke~*~/ Because we are the scum!

And with the way that you had worded your statement, it's fairly easy to spin your words as being an accusation that Vhaltz was one of the "good boys" which I assume refers to town which you are using as the informed minority in this game.