Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)

[SilentShaman]

In addition, your behavior is not seeming any better to me. I pointed out what I disliked before, but maybe not clearly. You were doing a lot of ~posting~ but nothing useful, and sitting on a parked vote... while having a go at me for my joke vote when I was in a rush [Although admittedly I had not explained as such, but you kept going on about it even after I explained]

Now you're at least attempting to seem useful... but voting based on bad logic and misrepping what I said.

This entire post has a lot of excessive bad reaction but this part is the worst and I don't wanna quote the whole thing. I don't think people were accusing Raikaria enough to merit that kind of outburst.

Huh What's votechange doesn't look scummy to me but it would still be nice if he would elaborate beyond just "I agree with this".

I'm insulted considering I've probably already posted more then I did as my beautiful charming beautiful amazing self. Also because I'm literally having a running conversation with BT right now so I'm notably not just popping in and leaving? And I personally think my answer was MAXIMUM.

You had posted but a lot of your posts were kinda fluffy before the last few.

I did read that post. It reads like crazy rambling. I literally don't think it's useful for determining anything.

Like, for example, this seems like excessive simplification.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount

huh what(3): Serela, Bardiche, Raikaria
Schezo(2): Affinity, huh what
Serela(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(1): BigBangMeteor
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (2): NekoNekoRex, Validon98
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~61 hours remaining in the day.

[Bardiche]

Oh Bard, I know that you and I should escape to a better time, when I was a young innocent rules policeman and you were a leather jacketed bad boy with no respect for the world.

I'd prefer you just straight-up answered requests instead of trying to be cute.

BT, I'm not sure I follow you. Here you say Raikaria is scummy for... blindly mentioning everything you do is scum. The acronym we use here is 'OMGUS'. Why would scum declare everything you do scummy? This is not a logical venture. I do like your follow-up, but I'd like to know why you think it's scummy of Raikaria to think you're scum.

##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.

Like, for example, this seems like excessive simplificationmisrepresentation.

My beef is with the presentation that "there must be a voteblocker" and "it must be Serela" as a means to push hard a wagon on someone. My reasoning is not founded in protecting someone but that the logic used to attack is faulty and founded from nonsense and speculation. Also, the irony of me defending Serela, haha.

Him feeling the need to clear himself of a "scummy" role asap in a game with bastard elements (meaning it could come from town) makes him look really nervous about how people are viewing him. I mean yeah all the focus has been on him so far but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled it better.

Yeah, that's a lot better than "must be the voteblocks".

##Unvote

I'm not at all fond of Raikaria providing a wall of reads so early in the game, when it's justified to read just about everyone as null. Speaking of reading people as null.

##Vote: Affinity

GUT! I also think his only post looks more like he's trying to have an opinion on the things that transpired even though he effectually has no opinion. Might as well have jokevoted and it'd have been as valuable to us as his current vote.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Raikaria: My post was set up in a way that you could easily find the relevant Serela posts yourself. Stop being lazy just because it gives you a bullshit case on somebody.

Kay, why does Bard's defense have scum intent in context?

I don't think any of the actively posting players are the scums right now. Parked my vote on Schezo because I don't like empty unvotes and voting a null read is more likely to provoke a reaction than leaving my vote on the guy I didn't think was scum anymore. Looking at the thread again, though, my vote would probably be better on ##Unvote ##Vote: Affinity because him being on Schezo with that case at least shows a lack of reading comprehension when Townies Care More?.

[Serela]

IMO Raikaria is town, but this is an ED1 read so.

My beef is with the presentation that "there must be a voteblocker" and "it must be Serela" as a means to push hard a wagon on someone. My reasoning is not founded in protecting someone but that the logic used to attack is faulty and founded from nonsense and speculation.

This pretty adequately explains why I reacted how I did. It's like the old communi-I mean witch hunts.

Now let's see what actual cool stuff has happened!

Validon (this is me making sure it isn't lost in a sea of words), don't worry too much about the actual voteblocking stuff. It -seriously- isn't going to be helpful for finding who is and is not scum. You say you're not a complete newbie to mafia, so I won't try to school you much, but try not to worry about hard evidence (Hint:There will be very little until we get a scumflip, and maybe barely even then) and just vote someone you can find a reason to think is BSing their posts or something! Or, at the least, just on gut. That's better then not voting  :3

Affinity's "I don't get why Schezo has the same opinion as me, #v0te Schezo" is weird, yeah. (Plus I'm not interested in small logic lapses occuring inside of the voteblock logic circlejerk, that sort of stuff is how you get pointless d1 "victim" lynches)

Oh hey, after HW's cut I could even vote him and officially turn this into a sudden Affinity flashwagon out of fucking nowhere.

I came into this post wanting to reread BT and find real reasons to vote him, because I had some gut about it from my initial read of things, but after the reread I still don't have much more then "ehhh I don't exactly like this but it's not -really- bad or anything nor can I find any specific reasons I don't like it, I might just be being silly".

##Vote Affinity

Bard can I be your new Shadoweh?

[Serela]

##unvote ##vote affinity

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Oh hey, after HW's cut I could even vote him and officially turn this into a sudden Affinity flashwagon out of fucking nowhere.

Why couldn't you have voted him before this?

[Serela]

The point of the line was "lol sudden flashwagon" not "oh now it's possible for me to vote him"

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

yeah ok

For what it's worth I also think Affinity's vote is flimsy. Even if he finds Schezo's logic about the voteblock (nevermind that in context his post has nothing to do with Schezo???) questionable he's not doing anything to extract further information if it's just a disagreement or explain why the logic is scummy otherwise.

Didn't pick up on it until this morning, but whatever. Retroactive sheeping.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria: My post was set up in a way that you could easily find the relevant Serela posts yourself. Stop being lazy just because it gives you a bullshit case on somebody.

Sonanoka~?

ok

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
I read Schezo's posts and agree he is probably mafia.

Also changing my mind on Serela already. Some of his posts don't make sense if the voteblock is scum-minded, which seems like a pretty safe bet given that it wasn't active at the start of the day.

Cut: Token questions + prods. Not really worried about it after your response.

I fail to see where you spell out which Serela posts make YOU think Serela is town. I o not have the abilty to read your mind.

[Bardiche]

Bard can I be your new Shadoweh?

You understand I always consider Shadoweh to be a hinder to town and scum even when she flips green, yes?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

The point was that you should be reading Serela's posts yourself, but what I was getting at is that he thought the voteblock resolved n0 when that obviously wasn't the case, only to correct himself afterwards.

[Raikaria]

The point was that you should be reading Serela's posts yourself, but what I was getting at is that he thought the voteblock resolved n0 when that obviously wasn't the case, only to correct himself afterwards.

I did, that's why when I initially called you out, I said that I saw no real change in Serela's posts and overall feeling I had of Serela at any point. Which is why I failed to see what Serela did that suddenly flipped your opinion... for me, Serela always gave the same impression.

And jumping on a building wagon as a random unvote is bad and something you shouldn't do. That was the 3rd vote on the Schezo wagon, and we only need 6 to lynch this game.

Those two factors together are why I voted you. Now at least I know the Schezo vote was 'random', albeit, foolish.

At this point I would vote Affinty but I don't want to put him at L-1 this soon without him even getting to actually post.

[SilentShaman]

Kay, why does Bard's defense have scum intent in context?

Because that's a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts imo.

[Serela]

You understand I always consider Shadoweh to be a hinder to town and scum even when she flips green, yes?

...nevermind

Although I think some people feel that way about me already! <_< >_>
I can be helpful BEFORE lylo comes around, some! D:

Shaman, response to Bard's reaction?

[Bardiche]

...nevermind

Although I think some people feel that way about me already! <_< >_>
I can be helpful BEFORE lylo comes around, some! D:

I thought last game you were an exceptional player. That should say enough. (Aside from your LYLO antics.)

Because that's a really extreme defense for it to just be based on ED1 thoughts imo.

I don't consider "your accusation is illogical" to be any more extreme than "your vote was taken by a voteblocker and Serela is the voteblocker who reflexively voteblocks".

[Schezo]

And jumping on a building wagon as a random unvote is bad and something you shouldn't do. That was the 3rd vote on the Schezo wagon, and we only need 6 to lynch this game.

Who gives a fuck if they get 3/6 votes in RVS? no one would instahammer less than 24 hours in the day.  Stop being melodramatic.

Real post coming.

[Raikaria]

Was under the impression we were kind of out of RVS...

[Serela]

we're out of rvs but no one would hammer anyway

[Serela]

Also I think the fact that all the recent votes are on someone with like two sentences to their name, voting someone who had only like one sentence, from the very very beginning of the game, says something about where we are right now.

Scum aren't generally active talkers d1 anyway so it's not like this is bad, but.

[Raikaria]

Also I think the fact that all the recent votes are on someone with like two sentences to their name, voting someone who had only like one sentence, from the very very beginning of the game, says something about where we are right now.

Scum aren't generally active talkers d1 anyway so it's not like this is bad, but.

I must say that seems to be a fair point.

The meta of MotK is that we end up lynching someone active and contributeing D1 because they actually have ~content~ to use against them and they almost always end up town.

The one time we didn't do that was last game, and lo and behold, it was scum. [It was also IHNN however so the value to that experiment is debateable]. Because the active townies usually get lynched D1, scum tend to just lurk through D1 nowadays.

And... it's not LYLO yet. Serela doesn't usually mess up games until LYLO.

And it's not like Affinity's only post is even good.

Ah whatever

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinty

[Bardiche]

I'd like to point out that Affinity is at L-1 according to my observations, so exercise caution when you think to vote, next person.

[Bardiche]

In fact, I'd rather make sure no accidental hammers occur. God knows we've had plenty of derps before.

##Unvote

Further I note Raikaria doesn't seem to be voting Affinity as someone who's scum but just as someone who's popular? Care to clarify?

[Pesco]

Votecount

Schezo(1): Affinity
Serela(1): Schezo
Bardiche(1): Silent Shaman
Affinity(4): BigBangMeteor, huh what, Serela, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): BT
Not voting (3): NekoNekoRex, Validon98, Bardiche
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~57 hours remaining in the day.

[Raikaria]

I know I was putting Affinity at L-1, I even stated that was I reason I was holding out on voting my my post before.

Further I note Raikaria doesn't seem to be voting Affinity as someone who's scum but just as someone who's popular? Care to clarify?

Wrong. I'm voting Affinity for lack of activity, MotK Mafia meta, and the fact that his only post isn't even a good one at all, it's pretty bad-looking.

The existence of a wagon was the only reason I hadn't voted Affinty sooner.

[BigBangMeteor]

I dislike Kay's vote on Bard because in her previous posts, she sort of just analyzes unrelated things and then tacks a vote for Bard at the end despite not having said anything about him before, IIRC. Plus, I don't really think that Bard's defence was as extreme as she makes it out to be. She's also said a lot more stuff about Raikaria- what makes Bard worse than that?

Speaking about Raikaria, I don't really see the point of his mini-listpost, as it mainly just has some weak scumreads and a bunch of null/townreads. His vote on Affinity is also not very good because the main reason for it is a vote for an inactive disguised as "using MotK mafia meta". What makes it worse is that we're less than 18 hours into the game, so he can't even be really classified as a lurker yet.

[Raikaria]

Is asked by BT to give reads.

Everyone else moans about it. I find it amusing that people are complaining about me fulfilling someone's request. [And I get the feeling of Deja Vu too, people vote me, ask me to explain/do something, and then others jump on me for doing it]

And no, it's not disguised. This is how pretty much every MotK game plays out, people discuss stuff throughout D1, and people lurk through the whole day. The people discussing get lynched as they turn on each other, and the people lurking happily sit back and watch town kill itself.

Seen it happen enough times that I'm willing to put someone at L-1 for non-contribution for this period of time.

[BT]

Affinity is the least frequent poster out of the nonlurkers on this site.

I'll pitch in fully when I'm not preoccupied.

[BT]

Oh wait, I can reply to that. I didn't tell you to give me a full list of reads that is visibly unhelpful. A few lines on the few people you did have an opinion on is what I asked for.

[BigBangMeteor]

Why the appeal to emotion? There's also a difference between giving scumreads and giving nullreads. I'm also not really familiar with MotK mafia meta, but if you let scumhunting devolve into lynch all lurkers, then all scum would have to do to win is post frequently. I'd argue more that it's just that people who are normally lurky are rolling mafia more than people who're generally active.