Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[WHMZakeri]

waffle on Lech
Non-read on Serela
Bleh town read on Shadoweh
Dormio isn't really winning me over.

Why would you have copped Schenzo? He was called out multiple times by multiple people to be a townread. He was not a priority lynch. Also it *happens* that your claim covers the other obvious scumreads, although you could have easily checked, I don't know the Affinity Slot?!

Because I though Schezo was scum, and also because nobody else did.
I figured I'd be getting lynched today anyways, so If I had pulled a scum result on him and died, then maybe people would listen.
Or preferably pulled a scum result and then had him lynched.
_{I'll admit, that's really good advice I'll take for later games as cop.}

No need to mention the people that I don't see the need for attantion on yet.

How is this not suspicious as hell? Especially considering it misses the entire point of why Affinity was a good investigation over night one?

See, things like this make me want to throw rope at Serela.  This is good.  Everyone read this.

That's ... actually super good point. I'm gonna go back and reread Serela.

[Schezo]

So Polaris can you explain why you don't think Dormio and Serela are a team since you've said like twice but without support?

[BT]

If I link to things without explaining it's probably because explaining them would be flaky anyway and it's better than not doing anything at all.

There's obviously no "town motivation" to it which is why I gave a possible explanation that turns it into a town error of sorts.

Yes, my time IS better spent making cases, probably. I've been generally neglecting to do so all game. My "defense" isn't to make you read him as town (because even I'm not 100% sure on that) but rather to show where I'm coming from with my doubts. It's unlike the IHNN defense in that regard. I think I'm urged to do this because the Dormio scumread's become a really easy read to pick up.

Eh. I'm probably going to do other things now.

[Polaris]

Didn't I already explain how I don't anymore because the reasoning for it is meh >_> Because that was what that post was trying to. Et at if I wasn't clear enough.

[BT]

Also I don't know why I chose NSFW tags there.

[Polaris]

Oops autocorrect errors. "Post was trying to get at if I wasn't clear enough."

[BT]

Also, I'm not sure why pesco thinks that lecithul's activity makes up for affinity, because I don't think those two posts he made are really all that great.

Oh yeah, this is a good point.

[Schezo]

Re:Dormio isn't scum with serela, I thought initially that zak's restriction meant that there was only one scum in the three and serela was that one scum, but I'm beginning to wonder if the restriction is just arbitrary since kilga rolled alignments independent of religion. So it's a weak pont to make I guess. Honestly I just don't feel dormio is scum right now.

no. You didn't.

If by really easy to pick up BT you mean two cases and a sheep sure dawg.

[BT]

That part Edible quoted isn't that great or what I'd choose to link as a good point probably. Now you guys are making me waver.

Case-making definitely needed in the near future.

[BT]

I mean both Rais (I think) and some others? Though I'm working off of bleh memory here.

[Schezo]

Oh that's right both Rais. I thought only one did but <VERY GOOD>

[BT]

TBF Raikaria made a Dormio post before voting Shadoweh and then Edible but I wasn't a fan of it anyway.

I don't think he's scummy though. What am I doing?

I'm mostly talking about how things seemed to switch from Zak to Dormio so naturally mostly because of that IHNN Over Zak post (which is why I ended up addressing that).

[Raikaria]

Uh, my logic is because there was nothing to go on the Affinity slot it's the obvious one to check so we find out something about it. Everyone else had content that could be used. Affinity? No.

Meh, if I was cop I'd have checked Affinity out of the people avaliable without even a second thought.  I certainly wouldn't have checked Shenzo.

Still, Zakeri seems to know it was a mistake not checking Affinity now at least... if he's legitimate, Which I still doubt.

Also the quote from BT that Edibibl has put is a good point. Might need to reconsider Serela.

Until I've finished doing that I'm gonna stay put on Zakaeri though.

[Schezo]

Still, Zakeri seems to know it was a mistake not checking Affinity now at least... if he's legitimate, Which I still doubt.

Playstyle differences aren't a mistake since ill follow my reads as cop any day and not feel bad about it.  Are there multiple ways to handle it? Yes. But it shouldn't be frowned upon to follow ones reads.

[Pesco]

Pesco: Since when did you care what I think before doing something? Is there a reason you're afraid to vote Polaris by yourself?

You just didn't happen to have a vote down yet is all.

I'm thinking about the interactions between the 3 non-coppers and the brass. Since Zak knows he can't figure out Dormio, Serela and Polaris via role, it looks weird that he's only paid attention to Polaris and Serela. Surely he's in a position that demands these 3 make themselves easier to read for the rest of us.

The people Serela talks the most about after Zak's claim in his big vote post are Dormio, Polaris, me, Raikaria and Zak. The bit on Dormio (and Raikaria) seems to have come from nowhere when I look at Serela's posts in isolation. Scrolling even further back to look at his voting pattern for the day, it's been Polaris -> Zak -> me. So now let's say Dormio doesn't actually feature to Serela. It should make sense for Serela to stay on Polaris after the claim since his case on me shows that he hasn't been reading my posts. What I'm finding weird here is Serela getting on and off Zak too easily. The claim situation at the end of Day 1 is too big to ignore. Anyone that wanted Zak lynched would be voting him in their first post of today. But Because Serela started on Polaris, I would imagine he wanted Polaris lynched much more than he wanted Zak lynched.

I don't see Polaris interacting much with Dormio. Fair enough since he wants Serela lynched and there's a kind of consistency in holding onto getting that lynch he wants. He certainly hasn't forgotten Dormio and the early clear on Zak still bothers me. On a reread, that clear as a link and the poor activity from Day 1 were bad but improved a little over today. In the vacuum of Dormio vs Serela vs Polaris, I don't find him to be the worst.

Getting this post out there first with responses to the new ones that came up while I made this and then I'll look over Dormio later.

Also, I'm not sure why pesco thinks that lecithul's activity makes up for affinity, because I don't think those two posts he made are really all that great. Lecithul should post more at least. The only redeeming thing is that he's voting Serela with me :v

Like Shadoweh mentioned, Pesco going "ladies first" is really weird and completely contradicts his d1 point about getting a wagon started on your own instead of waiting for others to do it for you. Should probably read pesco again at a later point.

Affinity was uninteresting to me and wasn't posting. Lecithul is still uninteresting and is posting. It's an improvement nonetheless. People aren't discussing him today, I'm not putting him ahead of my preferred lynch for attention.

As I said at the start of the post, Shadoweh wasn't voting anyone at the time. I still very much want to see Zak lynched and have no reason to switch to an empty wagon if it's not going to go anywhere. Why would I ever put my vote on anything other than my first choice outside of consolidation lynching?

No need to mention the people that I don't see the need for attantion on yet.

How is this not suspicious as hell? Especially considering it misses the entire point of why Affinity was a good investigation over night one?

There's that thing where you guys throw town clears around like litter. I'm not in the business of blurting who I'm not going to be looking at. I'll simply talk about the people that do need attention.

We've still got those people who want to vote me and don't do a good job of making my lynch happen. I know I need to be dead before endgame hits and I don't mind if it's going to be today once people make a case good enough to make me not want to post anymore.

Only gonna move my vote when I finish rereading.

[Raikaria]

Playstyle differences aren't a mistake since ill follow my reads as cop any day and not feel bad about it.  Are there multiple ways to handle it? Yes. But it shouldn't be frowned upon to follow ones reads.

Zakeri said he admits it's good advice to follow for the future.

[Schezo]

Good advice not a, "you dun screwed the pooch" level of mistake.

[Pesco]

Can't reread Dormio without rereading the thread. Twitter-posting officially sucks.

The only thing that's stayed with me on the read is that he was feeling out Serela along the same lines as my last post. Any mentions of Polaris from him are too forgetable. As for whether to vote Dormio or not, I find only Edible and Schezo saying anything coherent.

Ranking these 3 stoogies together, I'd vote Serela over the other 2. The biggest factor being their consistency in their suspects. I think Polaris sticking on one target is fine because if he's doing that as scum, it's a big commitment to make and take responsibility for if he's wrong. Dormio doesn't make my choice because despite his inconsistency on scumread Zak -> vote IHNN, he's followed up on pressing Zak today even if you think he's using weak points.

I'm not a fan of finding scum by assuming someone is town first but only because we're a lynch ahead and there should be guarantee that Zak won't live to LyLo, I'll entertain an alternative lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote Serela

[Raikaria]

I'm not going to say the same as everyone else has about Serela for the 10th time.

However, I still think the Dormio case is stronger right now. I just can't help but think... Serela is being Serela, which makes it somewhat null.

Would lynch Serela, but prefer Dormio still.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio why didn't you have anything to say to the Zak wagon at all? You did notice that it EXISTS, right?

At the time... kind of. I didn't really pay attention to it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio RE: Raitaki what do you think of this post?

I dunno. I mean it's just him restating my opinion.
It's like the NNR/Raitaki slot is so intent on looking as scummy as possible. It's screwing with me man.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

active lurking?

Eh?
You mean where I'm at uni and say I'll read Serela later while reading other people because reading Serela gives me a headache even though I did end up reading Serela somewhat before I went back to classes then fell asleep?

[Kilgamayan]

Sermon

Pesco (2): Zakeri, Serela
Dormio (4): Edible, Schezo, Raitaki, Raikaria
Serela (4): Polaris, Lecithul, BT, Pesco
Zakeri (1): Dormio
Polaris (1): Shadoweh

Not voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 27 hours left in the day.

[Edible]

Zakeri (1): Dormio

Zakeri is at L-2!

O_O

[Kilgamayan]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Edible]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

O_O

[Serela]

The bit on Dormio (and Raikaria) seems to have come from nowhere when I look at Serela's posts in isolation. Scrolling even further back to look at his voting pattern for the day, it's been Polaris -> Zak -> me.

Raikaria was the person I was voting d1 until having to get off for sake of voting someone who could actually get lynched. Updating my opinion on who was presumably a big thing for me is important, yo! Polaris, admittedly, uh, I was under the effects of sleep deprivation and got wrapped up in "Why the heck is up with your vote on me" >_>; After I was not acting crazy I went back to voting Zak.

Pesco has started actually contributing a lot since I voted him, in any case. :T (That was the main issue I had with him) Also the non-Pesco wagons are picking up more steam while Pesco himself goes nowhere and I don't have any other kind of interesting insights to bring up on him, anyway, in addition to him having improved. Sooooo.
##Unvote Pesco

Now, so. I'd be lying if I said this wasn't partially not-me-over-me. But, I mean, there's 24-ish hours left, so there'd be time to push a different wagon if I wanted to, it's just that I'm fine with~
##Vote Dormio
First thing that jumps out on reread is the sudden wordless IHNN vote near end of d1 with zero elaboration. It's whatever-the-word-is-for-makes-sense-to-what-he-said-previously, but there's nothing about IHNN's later post in it or about comparing IHNN to Zak who he'd also stated was scummy. I don't think the Zak/IHNN case strength comparison thing is as horrible as other people say but it does still look weird. But back to the zero elaboration.

He even posts several times afterwords without commenting on Zak/IHNN at all.

Dormio's responded to this d2 already after being scrutinized for it, but "IHNN did nothing so I voted him for it" doesn't really make the d1 end stuff less bad IMO.

As for Dormio's D2, he starts with a strong post going after Zak, but then drops off drastically. He responds to people poking him but it's nothing interesting, and when he tries to participate via a list of reads it's just town reads (Mostly "I guess I like them or probably wouldn't vote them or something") and "I guess I should read this person later". He does some rereads later but apart from Affinity's almost nonexistent slot and a conspiracy theory on me (which he states himself is a conspiracy theory) he just waffles all over everything. He has no solid opinions (apart from Zakeri at least) and just bumbles around uselessly.

So, uh, yeah, this is probably my preferred wagon even if it wasn't the biggest not-me wagon right now.

[Serela]

on second thought if I had reread dormio before the part of my post where I'm voting him and made my post that way it probably would look a lot better

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Well I guess I should not-me-over-me at this point.

##Unvote
##Vote Serela

[PX]

Psalm 91

Pesco (1): Zakeri
Dormio (5): Edible, Schezo, Raitaki, Raikaria, Serela
Serela (5): Polaris, Lecithul, BT, Pesco, Dormio
Polaris (1): Shadoweh

Not voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 23 and a half hours left in the day.