Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...

Are you serious here lol?
Anyway, let me address this.

[Raikaria]

Considering the only thing even close to a reason you gave in your quote was 'absolutely nothing in #90', and that is as far as you went to explaining your reasons when you randomly flipped from me, and then you proceeded to lurk, yes, I am serious.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

This is Dormio's post for voting IHNN and flipped from Zakeri to IHNN for no apparent reason. He quotes his own earlier post, saying IHNN #'90 is a thing, because 'absolutely nothing' is said in it, which implies nothing of value too. This is at post 250+, and IHNN has posted since then. Dormio proceeds to ride the wagon and lurk pretty hard the rest of the day.

Vat? How is there no apparent reason? I expressed dislike of IHNN's post #90. I would have voted him right there but I felt like keeping my vote on you instead.
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to argue with the "absolutely nothing" thing. IHNN contributed nothing, which is scummy yo.
Considering the fact that I said I was hoping for more posts from IHNN and then none of them said anything I voted him. Problem?

More things without *~reasons~*. Note Serela is a wagon aside IHNN at the time.

How the fuck does stating disinterest in a different wagon make me scummy?

Not content

It... wasn't meant to be content?
You're kind of just proving the point here.

Dormio voted a townie for an unexplained, strange reason and rode the wagon all the way.

Voting someone for contributing nothing isn't really that strange imo.

Also he gave no reason for jumping off me onto IHNN. So, Dormio, what suddenly changed your mind?

IHNN's refusal to produce seemed worse to me than your tryharding and weird logic that I can't follow.

Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...

Considering the only thing even close to a reason you gave in your quote was 'absolutely nothing in #90', and that is as far as you went to explaining your reasons when you randomly flipped from me, and then you proceeded to lurk, yes, I am serious.

By are you serious, I was talking about the logic you were using but whatever.
I mean...

Note his reason for voting IHNN was 'absolutely nothing' in #90. Which implies no scumslips either. So why was IHNN so voteworthy then...

Really?

Oh yeah, I should also mention that the more I thought about it during the night, the more townie your insistence on following through with your logic looked to me. Though I still don't follow a word of it.

[Raikaria]

You realize you could have, and probobly should have, actually explained that at the time, right?

Still not happy with the reasons, but happier.

IHNN was far from the only person to contribute absolutely nothing by the way. Polaris, for example, and Affinity, and Zakeri.

Anywho, moving onto the other votepark; which reminds me I need to re-read Edibibl's vote too, since he was sitting there for a while too [I'll get to that later]

##Vote: Shadoweh

So, what made IHNN the best wagon of the whole day Shadoweh? Why was logic that also applied to me, who you were already voting, enough to swap?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You realize you could have, and probobly should have, actually explained that at the time, right?

Hats.

[Raikaria]

Hats.

Just idle.

[Raikaria]

For the 2 mins it would have taken for you to explain, instead of making people like me think you were suspicious enough to vote.

[I don't condone outright idle servers]

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Just idle.

Hats.

[Shadoweh]

Alright, I've just finished my pot of coffee, it's 7am and I'm in a miserable mood. This is the perfect time to mafia.

6: Funnily enough Shadoweh parked her vote since #154. Also, look. Does Shadoweh actually give a reason? Shadoweh just calls it the vote she wanted since the start, and her reasons are *riding NNR wagon*. OK, but I voted NNR too, and you were voting me before Shadoweh. So what about that made IHNN a better lynch than me? That's right folks. Shadoweh was sitting on a 'RVS' riding the IHNN wagon all game.

That's some amazing revisionist history you little carp, I never voted IHNN on RVS and the reason you're talking about is in the post you're trying to damn me with. The part where I reasoned why I wasn't voting you or even considering you as a scumread at the time is in that same post too. I didn't want anyone else as a lynch because I thought he was scum and you can't get a lynch without pushing with confidence. I don't take my vote off someone unless they can make me think they're town, and it wasn't happening.

##Vote: Zakeri
If I hadn't been cut 17 times before the hammer told me to shutup I would have said not claiming until the next day is okay. It's the next day, and your starter kind of pretends that whole thing never happened, plus has a pretty blatant omg u suk on Pesco based around something that labels him as a huge jerk instead of a scumbag. Also he's not quotestripping enough to be scum. Because Edible isn't scum isn't a reason either. If you are scum I'm going to hate you for the double embarrassement of being wrong AND Pesco being right.

I actually suspect Affinity/whoeverthatpersonis less because of :reasons:

Polaris's vote is bad because I really wouldn't classify Serela's behavior as lurking this game, he's been pretty active. also because Serela never has an opinion. :V I will admit that Post #376 made me laugh out loud even if you stole my line from earlier.

Dormio, Ragnarok Online is a terrible reason to replace out. If you were me I'd be accusing you of being scum for leveling instead of posting!

[Pesco]

You were wrong already when IHNN flipped town. But don't worry, none of this matters if you're scum.

[Kilgamayan]

Opening Hymn

Pesco (1): Zakeri
Dormio (1): Edible
Serela (2): Polaris, BT
Polaris (1): Serela
Zakeri (3): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria

Not voting (3): Raitaki, Schezo, Lecithul

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are just over 61 hours left in the day.

[Raikaria]

Alright, I've just finished my pot of coffee, it's 7am and I'm in a miserable mood.

Which is basically what my situation was when I posted. I missed you explaining why you took your vote off me, and now I have my Shadoweh -> Raikian dictionary out, I actually understand what your actual meaning of voting was, the fact IHNN's vote seemed like a 'I hate you' vote, and not a 'I think you are scum' vote.

I was also still in 'Dormio is fishy' mode, so everyone looked fishy.

Re-reading Edibil, and I'm not too happy.

Rereading IHNN comes across like he laid down some tracks on other people's trains of thought instead of some of his own, which does not sit well with me.  That coupled with his continued lack of posts despite claiming he would've been back by now (<_<) leads me to have to side with Shadoweh on this.

##vote IHNN

Would lynch barring further analysis of him.

This is hypocritical. What does Edibibl do here? Exactly what he claims he is lynching IHNN for.

So, what of Edibibl's other posts?

#219

Nothing of importance.

Reread Zakeri.  I'd still prefer IHNN over him.  Will vote him if necessary for deadline to secure a lynch, but not before.

Both of them should prooooobably claim though.

Suspicious lack of detail.

And that's it.

So... ultimately... Edibil's reason for lynching IHNN was hypocritical, and he then proceeded to lurk and wagonride the whole day, without giving reasons for the second quote. Or anything for that matter.

As you can probobly guess from my prior posts, this is basically what I accused Dormio of. Except with the completely hypocritical nature of it too.

So you can probobly guess what is going to happen here, can't you?

##Vote: Edible

[Kilgamayan]

Can we please remember to unvote before revoting?

[Raikaria]

I was under the impression it was unnecessary.

##Unvote
##Vote: Edible

[Edible]

Edible, the post you quoted that "feels like a whole lot of nothing" is what made me townread Dormio because it's extremely alike how I felt. It doesn't seem like he just stockpiled reasons to vote Raikaria (I guess you're assuming he's town here) but rather got them naturally and him suspecting the "normal" survivalist mentality as fake is exactly what went through my mind as well - because, well, it felt fake. I think Dormio is more of an easy vote than scummy at this point and I don't get why you completely forget about people like Serela - feels odd that you'd focus on the main characters of last day and Dormio who has just about the same level 'tier' of participation as Serela, and not anyone else of the same 'tier' (Serela, NNR/Raitaki, Affinity/Lect, possibly more but they're [duh] inactive and looking at the playerlist is hard), or something like that. Oh yeah, there's Shadoweh. What about Shadoweh?

The biggest difference between Serela and Dormio, outside of content, is that Dormio went completely under the radar yesterday.  I'm pushing a Dormio case because it seems everyone else forgot about him, and that's a great reason for me to bring him to everyone's attention.  Outside of Affinity he may have been the biggest lurker yesterday, because there was no pressure on him.  It's easy to get away with lurking if no one calls you out on it, after all.

I'm going to redirect you to Dormio's 165 again.  Broken down individually, where is the original thought process here?  Outside of a meta point on Raikaria what has he mentioned that someone else didn't?  I just don't see how it comes across as town-lookin' to you, I suppose.

What about Shadoweh? <_<

@Raikaria: Agreeing (or disagreeing) with players is something everyone does.  However, there is a bit of difference between vocally agreeing with someone because they've come to similar conclusions as you, and agreeing with someone because it's easy to go "I agree with X!" and not doing your own homework.  The former is scumhunting and "good", whereas the latter is not scumhunting and "bad."

While I'm not going to attempt to convince you to vote otherwise, it's not really hypocritical to (attempt to) do the former and simultaneously accuse someone of doing the latter.

[Raikaria]

I assure you Edibibl I have not forgotten about Dormio, I am taking lessons from Pesco.

Still, you claim to have been scumhunting, when you didn't do anything looking of the sort. For example, why was IHNN a better lynch than Zakeri? You never explained that.

[Raikaria]

And by taking lessons on Pesco I mean on how to use pressure votes instead of being 'I'mma ask questions and not vote!'

[Raikaria]

In case I haven't made it clear with my actions, I'm pretty sure that there was at least one scum riding the IHNN wagon all the way, and I'm pressing to try and figure out who.

Not really anything to press Polaris on about it. Not like he existed D1.

[Shadoweh]

Your face is wrong and scum.

You're a weird kid Rairai. Are you sure you've read Edible's posts to make sure he didn't answer whatever you're accusing him of before voting him? What do you think of his Dormio vote?

STOP CUTTING ME I SWEAR I WILL END YOU

[Raikaria]

Your face is wrong and scum.

You're a weird kid Rairai. Are you sure you've read Edible's posts to make sure he didn't answer whatever you're accusing him of before voting him? What do you think of his Dormio vote?

STOP CUTTING ME I SWEAR I WILL END YOU

@ Bolded: Thank you~

I've read Edibibl's posts. There are not many of them, and he's not answered what I'm asking. At no point does he explain why he felt IHNN was a better lynch than Zakeri. Which I find strange. In addition, the fact he doesn't exactly seem to scumhunt and just rests on your logic and lurks for the rest of the day happily riding the IHNN Express is suspicious. Unless I missed something reading between the lines.

That's why I want Edibibl to explain why IHNN over Zakeri, if he thought both were good enough to lynch. I didn't re-read Edibil right after waking up, like I did you.

And no Shadoweh, cutting people is fun~

[Edible]

That's why I want Edibibl to explain why IHNN over Zakeri, if he thought both were good enough to lynch. I didn't re-read Edibil right after waking up, like I did you.

While I would love to present a grand theory to you on the advantages and disadvantages of an IHNN vs. Zakeri lynch yesterday, the reality is that I just made a snap decision based on available information and my previous reads.  There wasn't much overt analysis, mostly just comparing A to B and making a choice.  Sorry to disappoint.

[Raikaria]

Well, at least you're honest, but I hope you understand why I won't be moving my vote for the time being while I mull over things again, and where I am coming from with your actions [And lack of them] looking like wagon riding.

[Raikaria]

To be precise, I am mulling over which of four people I would rather lynch. These people Polaris, Zakeri, Dormio or Edibibl

[Serela]

I'm dumb and posted in rpg threads with 10 minutes out of the half hour I had before work, and I still need to eat. :T

Polaris still looks pretty :/ for sure, but my vote last night was a lil' overreactionary. (I was talking about spider plants to one of my friends over messenger for 20 minutes at the same time, I have no idea)

##Vote Zakeri

Zakeri being cagey about claiming isn't -that- bad because it looked real unlikely he was gonna get lynched in comparison to IHNN, so. But that being it doesn't make him any less scummy then he already was, which was scummy, so

His d2 case seems null (It's obvious to everyone that the NNR shenanigans were weird and looking into it further overnight makes sense from either alignment as does his result) and... uh, also that I don't have time to actively go make a case on anyone else right now >_>; (And I'm fine with Zak!vote so I don't see this as a big issue and will remedy it later)

[Serela]

I remembered the unvote thing so I went and peeked at the votecount and I could have sworn I unvoted polly last night I mean really
I probably put it at the end of a sentence though because I wasn't thinking coherently
##Unvote ##Vote Zakeri

[Pesco]

Well there's still some time left so

Zakeri, can you elaborate more on your cases on Schezo?

...Actually, if you guys are unhappy with the stalling, I can just put IHNN back to L-1 for hammering.

Quoted with the timestamps for consideration. The second quote I pointed out yesterday that it was Zak stalling. But in the space of the 2 and half minutes, Raitaki had basically decided to not force Zak into anything. The question to Zak went unanswered since Zak could just clam up while deadline runs its course. The votecount gets posted shortly afterwards and I give my observation that Zak asking to only claim at L-1 was a bluff.

I doubt Zakeri would claim today. Doesn't really look all that likely he's getting lynched today. As town it'd be in his interest to not reveal his role early, and as scum there's no reason stalling for time to think up a fakeclaim if you can just claim VT, which is a pretty modest claim and virtually impossible to be proven fake without night actions.

By Raitaki posting this, he's secured that Zak won't claim. The waffle on theory for claiming is pointless to me because of a certain scumstrat.txt that Zak was around to have seen before. Zak stalled on giving the full claim but dropped the hint that he's something important. Telling us what he was commits him to it, leaving it open lets town run their imagination and he gets given a claim by what town wants him to be.

Once again on the matter of Zak not claiming. He needs to put out verifiable results of an active role. Not saying anything leads me to believe it's a passive role if there's any chance of him being town. If he's a town passive role, his content contribution doesn't make him a worthwhile keep.

A final little detour that crossed my mind: Gensokyo Worker's Union. The kill wasn't prevented by a doc but by a scum roleblocker. Who was the scumteam that pulled this off? Myself, bofh and Zak. There's plenty of motivation for me to find Zak definitive scum here.

[Raikaria]

It could have also been that scum didn't want to kill to throw off any potential trackers on Zakeri, due to the suspicion on him.

I mean, the GWU thing doesn't explain what happened to the scum's kill.

But we can speculate all day about the night actions when we have no clue what power roles are and are not in the game.

[Pesco]

Guess what, it's all because Zak didn't claim.

[Pesco]

It could have also been that scum didn't want to kill to throw off any potential trackers on Zakeri, due to the suspicion on him.

We also know this is not the case because town was not given 2 lynches today. The kill was definitely attempted and blocked by some means.

[Raikaria]

We also know this is not the case because town was not given 2 lynches today. The kill was definitely attempted and blocked by some means.

But two lynches probobly means we'd lynch two townies.

OK, we know there is a roleblocker or a Doc then, or something that stopped the mafia nightkill in some way.