Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Raikaria]

Why? Just because it happens 2 games in a row or 100 games in a row is irrelevant.

Sour taste in my mouth, feels like Deja'Vu. Nogt exactly great to have the same D1 lynch options over and over and over again. At least today it's a three-way.

[BT]

And Shadoweh you're totally misrepping what I said. You said IHNN had no regard for his votee's voters, calling both of them scum, but you basically did the same and more.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio what do you think of the Serely? You might have already said something but I'm fatally lazy.

Eh, I'm not really convinced by the notion that Selery is scum so yeah.

[BT]

And did you ever answer why you thought this Raikaria is town Raikaria?

Dormio cut: I'll try and go through his posts then

[Raikaria]

If you want a more recent point look at his most recent post. Him calling out Shadoweh for asking only him to claim is something I don't think scum in his position would be able to do, literally.

I concurr here. Of course, this happened after I asked you for further clarification on that point.

Still prefer a Zakeri Lynch over Serela. I fail to see what has suddenly redeemed Zakeri.

Shadowmeh is confusing me a little. But Shadowmeh always does that I have a really bad habit of jumping to conclusions based on her posting style misleading me. So thinking cap on Shadowmeh.

And did you ever answer why you thought this Raikaria is town Raikaria?

Wait what? How can I answer why I think I am town 0_o. Why should I have to answer that? My role PM says town, if that's what you want.

[Pesco]

Sour taste in my mouth, feels like Deja'Vu. Nogt exactly great to have the same D1 lynch options over and over and over again. At least today it's a three-way.

Get over it. That's what happens when it's the same players doing the same things every Day 1.

[BT]

Wait what? How can I answer why I think I am town 0_o. Why should I have to answer that? My role PM says town, if that's what you want.

That was to Shadoweh

[BT]

Talk about other vegetables Polly

[Raikaria]

Get over it. That's what happens when it's the same players doing the same things every Day 1.

Meh, I still need to get used to leaving semantics at the door.

[I have no name]

Shadoweh, I'm still not 100% convinced I'm being lynched so why would I claim?  Especially when Zakeri is closer to lynch and you aren't asking for his.

You know, even if I weren't reading the game, I'm pretty sure I could find time to read you in specific.

I know people who have a saying that a claim takes a second and a fakeclaim takes stalling. Have you decided if you're going to go with VT and pray or claim a PR yet?

You don't act like you're reading it.  Actually, you're reading it with extreme IHNN IS SCUM :D goggles and ignoring everything else except people defending me who *gasp* are also  SCUM :D

RE: claims: If fakeclaims take stalling then you want mine to have a basic claim out for your buddy Zakeri to emulate for his claim, and to help brainstorm ideas.  I'm onto you  :3

[Pesco]

I'm very inclined to agree that not asking both of the viable wagons to claim is bad. Schezo seemd to flipflop rather easily, so considering that as the clutch vote there's no reason to think IHNN is a more definite lynch than Zak.

[Polaris]

Well if you insist. I have no desire to lynch zucchini and it looks like scum is wagoning on him. Cauliflower is really a meh option since I don't see the case on him. I sort of thought that red cabbage could be scum but I don't think that's the case. I prefer celery over all, really.

Zucchini is zakeri
Caulflower is IHNN
Red cabbage is Raikaria

[Raitaki]

Hmm, not finished quite finished rereading yet, but not very happy with IHNN. His play is subpar, what with pretty bad reasons for finding people scum, such as voting NNR because of the (not completely right) "NNR votes Serela for voting Schezo so he's also scum" and voting Zakeri because "I'm scummy for sheeping -> he's scummy for sheeping", with the latter pretty much pure NMoM. I find it suspicious that out of the blue he finds Zakeri a strong scumread just because...Zakeri was doing pretty much the same things he did? Opinions on Schezo early on also pretty much disregards everything Schezo was doing at the time and the purpose behind them, then suddenly a scum lean on Schezo for no real reason. Also it's bad that he admitted Serela looked town, but would rather Serela get lynched over himself. Unless he gets significantly better and actually contribute more before getting lynched, #Vote IHNN

Zakeri keeps ignoring real, non-caps-related reasons people voted NNR, so that looks kind of suspicious. His case against Schezo also hinges only on his subjective view that Schezo's pressure on Raikaria was both a genuine push for lynch and scum-motivated, got abandoned halfway for IHNN wagon, then picked up again as the IHNN wagon was starting to appeal to Schezo, so if IHNN flips scum my 2nd lynch would be right there. Otherwise, he looks null for the most part.

Everyone else is either null or leaning town. Unless I'm mistaken there is about an hour left until deadline, so hopefully I finish rereading before then.

Cut by 25 posts, what

[Polaris]

Keep in mind that it is a pain to read the game on a phone so I can't provide any salad dressing for these veggies.

[Raitaki]

Also Polaris, who in particular on Zakeri's wagon do you think are more likely to be scum?

[Polaris]

celery i guess

[Raitaki]

Does that mean you're unsure?

[Pesco]

What vegetable is Edible?

By that I mean Edible should post because horny perverted modhax eyes sees all.

[I have no name]

Hmm, not finished quite finished rereading yet, but not very happy with IHNN. His play is subpar, what with pretty bad reasons for finding people scum, such as voting NNR because of the (not completely right) "NNR votes Serela for voting Schezo so he's also scum" and voting Zakeri because "I'm scummy for sheeping -> he's scummy for sheeping", with the latter pretty much pure NMoM. I find it suspicious that out of the blue he finds Zakeri a strong scumread just because...Zakeri was doing pretty much the same things he did? Opinions on Schezo early on also pretty much disregards everything Schezo was doing at the time and the purpose behind them, then suddenly a scum lean on Schezo for no real reason. Also it's bad that he admitted Serela looked town, but would rather Serela get lynched over himself. Unless he gets significantly better and actually contribute more before getting lynched, #Vote IHNN

Zakeri keeps ignoring real, non-caps-related reasons people voted NNR, so that looks kind of suspicious. His case against Schezo also hinges only on his subjective view that Schezo's pressure on Raikaria was both a genuine push for lynch and scum-motivated, got abandoned halfway for IHNN wagon, then picked up again as the IHNN wagon was starting to appeal to Schezo, so if IHNN flips scum my 2nd lynch would be right there. Otherwise, he looks null for the most part.

Everyone else is either null or leaning town. Unless I'm mistaken there is about an hour left until deadline, so hopefully I finish rereading before then.

Cut by 25 posts, what

Raitaki.  Please read this post.  You aren't fully up-to-speed, and your vote is likely one of the deciding votes right now.  You need a full idea of what's happened, you have at least another hour.

[Shadoweh]

I'm pretty sure you're at more votes then him so etc. I don't think Affinity has said anything to defend you so the second isn't true. BT has been a slow rising scum loaf, but it's not because he's defending you. I've hydra'd with K4U, I think I have a better idea of how to fakeclaim then to wait for you to give an example.

BT: I don't get why you don't think Raikaria is the most dopey kind of town, and I explained it in my first real post so I don't get why you're asking. Other then that you're trying to derail the IHNN train by trying to take me out from it. If you need a graph:

Town: Raikaria, NNRaitaki, Sereley, Schezzy-Ezzy
Probtown: Zak, Edible
Nullish: Dormio (he kind of reminds me of the serial killer from Defcon than Black) Pesco (more that I can't place him in an alignment relevant to mafia)
Scum: I have no ability to fakeclaim
Everyone else: Everyone else.

[Raitaki]

@IHNN: Fine. #Unvote just for now. Consider my vote still technically there, as IHNN is currently my top pick by far, and so far I haven't seen anything else overwhelmingly incriminating from other people yet.

[I have no name]

It's between me and Zakeri right now it looks like, and the first bunch of the day I wasn't around.  I'm around now, and have been for only about 6 hours.  I'd say that qualifies as "actually contribute more".

-cut-
I don't doubt you could fakeclaim, but see Disgaea Mafia for vanilla roles having a little something extra.

[Kilgamayan]

Benediction

Serela (2): Polaris, BT
Raikaria (1): Affinity
I have no name (5): Shadoweh, Edible, Zakeri, Schez, Dormio
Zakeri (4): Pesco,  Raikaria, Serela, IHNN
Not Voting (1): Raitaki

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.
1 hour left until the end of Day 1

I have no name is at L-2!
Zakeri is at L-3!

[I have no name]

Thank you Raitaki, if you decide you still want to vote me after seeing everything I can't stop you but it's the wrong choice and we should all quickwagon Shadoweh agree that Zakeri is the right lynch for today.

[Raikaria]

celery i guess

I presume Celery is Serela.
Also how can you say 'I guess' after:

Well if you insist. I have no desire to lynch zucchini and it looks like scum is wagoning on him.

You just said scum is wagoning on Zakeri, and that you don't think I'm scum anymore. One of the Zakeri voters unvoted [Schnzo] so if Scum is wagoning him, that leaves 3 people, who would be 'all scum' if they are wagoning.

Serela being one of them, Pesco and IHNN being the others. And IHNN is the prime wagon.

So, yeah, confused by this logic Polaris.

I don't think Affinity has said anything to defend you so the second isn't true.

Affinity hardly posted and is subbing out. Not much to rely on.

[Shadoweh]

Also if the people actually voting Zak want him to claim they should ask him to claim instead of telling me I should be pressuring someone I don't want to lynch.

[BT]

Au contraire, I'm outright calling IHNN town and telling people to back off. There's no "derailing" here, there's opposing a lynch. Am I endangering you or something?

Fair enough regarding Raikaria. My issues have been clear in that one early post. Grab an ISO.

Why is Edible probtown?

Warning - while you were typing 6 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. -_-

[I have no name]

Schezo said he'd flop if necessary.
BT has me as a town read, so I'll consider his vote on Zakeri because Serela isn't happening today.

Raitaki could go either way.
Affinity is AFK.

So, I only get lynched if Polaris+Raitaki both vote me, if either decide Zakeri then with BT's vote there and Schezo's flipflop then we hit scum.

Zak, claim.  To appease the Great and Might Mafia God Shadowmeh I will after even though she's your scumbuddy

[BT]

Why don't you join the fun roleclop?

[Pesco]

The only real reason people hand out town reads like candy here is because making a case is too hard.

Not all that interested in asking for a claim because I don't predict this game to be role heavy.