Author Topic: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)  (Read 96530 times)

Pesco

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #120 on: April 04, 2013, 08:09:17 PM »
##Vote Schezo

Raikaria's logic was p.terrible but I doubt it would come from scum (at least not more likely then it would from town) and why scum would decide to be weird and unvote in almost-rvs when you can freely vote anyone is beyond me; it attracts a good bit of attention for literally no reason

Sure you've voiced what you don't like about Raikaria's logic but why would any of this lead to voting Schezo? I think it makes more sense to have voted Raikaria than anyone else.

Schezo reads as a lot of safe null posts. It doesn't feel scum motivated and needs more activity from the rest of the game for a better read.

I see Zak jumping from one wagon to the other and his vote post again has the vote park feel with how weak it is.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #121 on: April 04, 2013, 08:09:27 PM »
So don't gripe back NekoRex.
Not griping implies I'm going to tolerate his obviously provocative posts and not care about a modkill request he made because I refused to retype posts he was too edgy to read.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2013, 08:16:32 PM »
I'm not really a fan of the cases on Raikaria or Schezo atm; early wagons based off either silly things or misinterpretations rarely sit well with me.  And Schezo used purplequest art <3  Quite content to leave my vote on NNR for now, but if I had to move it it'd be to Zakeri; my thoughts run similar to Pesco's on this matter.  He even did something similar to the initial reason I'm voting NNR.

Commentary from Polaris/Shadoweh/Affinity would be greatly appreciated, but I think they have a little while longer before we can start bashing them for not showing up yet :V

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #123 on: April 04, 2013, 08:18:50 PM »
You may have taken my first choice character this game Edible, but you're not taking my contributions too >:(

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #124 on: April 04, 2013, 08:20:00 PM »
You may have taken my first choice character this game Edible, but you're not taking my contributions too >:(

I'm just borrowing them!

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: April 04, 2013, 08:21:39 PM »

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2013, 08:22:27 PM »
Neko, Pesco, can you both stop sniping each other? Put it behind you, move on. Lynch each other later. No handbag zone.

Good to see that Pesco has the same general feeling about Schezo as I do, although I would call him leaning town, not null.

After thinking more about the 'chainsawing' thing, I can see where NNR is coming from a lot better now than when I mentioned I'd think over it. Not sure if that's indicative of Serela!Scum, or just Serela!Serela. Likewise, I still wonder, if Chainsawing is a null read if I've not flipped scum, why is NNR making such a big deal of it ED1 when there was little else to go by? Indeed, Serela's reason 'That's usually why you vote people, you don't agree with them', is logical too. It's an interpretation thing, and something I fear we will not get to the bottom of quickly.

Might be one scum in those two though.

I agree with Edibibl. Especially on the not lynching me, but mainly on the not lynching Schezo.

In fact I agree with everything Edibibl has said really, except I need to re-read Zakeri again.

Also STAHP POSTING WHILE I'M TRYING TO POST Q_Q


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2013, 08:25:25 PM »
Why should Schezo lean town for you? I don't know his alignment and if he's not scummy, null is the best I'd allow him.

Nobody should be a town read because that just gives them leave for complacency.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: April 04, 2013, 08:28:12 PM »
Why should Schezo lean town for you? I don't know his alignment and if he's not scummy, null is the best I'd allow him.

Nobody should be a town read because that just gives them leave for complacency.

Actively scumhunting and pressuring people you find scummy is a towntell to me. Even if he's wrong.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: April 04, 2013, 08:30:11 PM »
Raikaria I think you are relying a bit too hard on what Mafiascum wiki says. My vote is on Serela because he has no decent reasoning for the Schezo vote, and he's buddying Serela too. Both are decently scummy actions.

Serela could at least explain why he thinks the vote is bad other then saying "Rai is town, therefore Schezo is scum for voting him."
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #130 on: April 04, 2013, 08:33:23 PM »
IF DORMIO CAN DO IT SO CAN I! YAHOO-!
You wish you were as awesome as me.

I hate it when there's a flurry of activity while I'm sleeping. Since it's really bothersome to catch up. Whatever.

##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2013, 08:35:21 PM »
Serela could at least explain why he thinks the vote is bad other then saying "Rai is town, therefore Schezo is scum for voting him."

To add to why I said that might be funny a few posts ago, I realized, I said just the post before that I thought Schezo was town, and it was TvT. So why did Serela feel the need to chainsaw when I just said 'I think Schezo is town'.

With this realization, I think it's fishy enough to need this:

##Vote: Serela


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2013, 08:36:15 PM »
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Sure you've voiced what you don't like about Raikaria's logic but why would any of this lead to voting Schezo? I think it makes more sense to have voted Raikaria than anyone else.
>spend a couple sentences talking about why Raikaria doesn't look like scum
>vote raikaria
Wut?

To be blunt I voted Schezo over it because that's what you do when the game is trying to get out of rvs. That being said it's not like I -made up- reasons, I totally at least believed what I was saying even if Schezo isn't terribly likely to be scum just from his Raikaria vote
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(why wouldn't scum unvote? why would town unvote?)
Because scum inherently worry more about looking weird/drawing attention, usually? Empty unvoting is one of those things that people tend to inherently know Isn't The Best Idea. Scum might do it because they seriously don't know who to vote but in rvs that is so beyond not an issue. Town is IMO more likely to not be worrying so much about this. That being said, in any case it's still just ED1 logic :T

People jumping on NNR because they want him to restate his one~three small posts in not-caps is silly, Dormio's done tons of posting quirks waaay more unreadable then this and people sometimes didn't care a whole lot. (That being said, since it's ed1 this isn't scummy-silly) My opinion on the actual posting quirk is I don't care but a lot of other people do, so ultimately it can't continue without needlessly upsetting/distracting a bunch of people from trying to play to town's wincon. It's one of the most pointless things we could be arguing about right now, y'know  :derp:

That being said I still think his vote on me is weird, but "I don't think your vote is good and this is why" not being a case on why someone is bad isn't something I can argue against? I didn't argue "Raikaria is town so you're scum for voting him", I said"Your vote is bad because ____ so I'm voting you for it".  I mean, if someone was voting someone else just because they didn't agree about their target, that'd be terrible, yeah. (However since it's ED1 having a weird vote is almost expected, but, I can't justify everything with ed1 because we're still IN ed1 so it'd keep me from getting anywhere)

Raikaria:Oh my god, someone can't be a lurker when the game isn't even 24 hours in. Really, 48 hours isn't enough to properly identity "lurking" from "not being at the computer/anything to say" especially because ED1 is boring stuff. Policy lynching a lurker d1 is terrible anyway because it doesn't tell you jack crap to use as info on d2 (Even if it flips -scum-, which is a diceroll because lynching lurkers on d1 doesn't work)

so

raikaria who would you vote out of people ~*~actually posting~*~

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Serela could at least explain why he thinks the vote is bad other then saying "Rai is town, therefore Schezo is scum for voting him."
This is what I've been saying I didn't do the whole time?? The reasons I gave for Rai not looking like scum are the reasons Schezo was using to vote him, aka I disagreed with Schezo's reasons for voting Raikaria and thought his vote was bad. (I feel weird talking like this about a vote I barely care about, which brings me to the important subject of Who I Think Should Be Voted)

##Vote Raikaria


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It's ironic because I returned my vote to my RVS and my RVS still hasn't posted.
Okay why are you still pushing your RVS vote out of people actually here? Saying it's because he's lurking is a terrible reason for the stuff I said above about going after lurkers d1 (Especially when the game started -less then 24 hours ago-) and because since Polly has not had a chance to do more then a random gamestart vote, you have literally no reason to be sitting on him over other people.
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2013, 08:38:26 PM »
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I said just the post before that I thought Schezo was town, and it was TvT. So why did Serela feel the need to chainsaw when I just said 'I think Schezo is town'.
Because I don't care about your opinions on who is scum when I'm deciding who -I- think is scum. And also because why would anyone place stock in rvs reads. Still voting you because your reasoning for voting me makes no sense.
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: April 04, 2013, 08:43:18 PM »
raikaria who would you vote out of people ~*~actually posting~*~

Already said a couple of times I was debateing between you and NNR.

And the post before yours and decided you.

I was pointing out I was on someone lurking because people were accusing me of NOT following my own dogma. Apparently pointing out one thing to get one person off my back gets someone else ON my back.

Because I don't care about your opinions on who is scum when I'm deciding who -I- think is scum. And also because why would anyone place stock in rvs reads. Still voting you because your reasoning for voting me makes no sense.

My reasoning for voting you is the same as everyone else's. The chainsaw. Except I added on 'IDK why Serela feels the need to defend me like that when I just said 'I think Schezo is town''.

Not to mention your reason for voting Schezo made very little sense. You voted Schezo, from the looks of it, for pushing on my apparently bad logic that encouraging lurkers to post will give us more leads to scumhunt? From that post it even seemed like you had a scumread on me. So why vote someone pushing that?

As it is in MotK mafia, it seems 90% of the time the people posting and making the most effort get lynched or have to constantly fend off accusations, because they're the only ones doing anything. And that turns into 'defending scum!' accusations but since no-one else posts...

Sometimes I wonder if I should just lurk. Probably get less votes for doing that than trying to find scum and point out problems with others.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: April 04, 2013, 08:46:10 PM »
I suddenly realize someone will probably bring up "Weren't you just talking about how town Raikaria was looking?"

I don't place much stock in rvs posts. >_>

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From that post it even seemed like you had a scumread on me
I have no idea how saying several times "This looks like not-scum" makes multiple people think it'd make more sense for me to vote Raikaria then someone else.  :fail:

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Sometimes I wonder if I should just lurk.
I usually lurk out ED1 because it's silly, and it's still silly now and I have no idea why I'm posting this much.
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2013, 08:49:29 PM »
Come to the conclusion upon finishing looking at what little Zakeri has posted that I am not happy with him either, he just seems to be sheeping.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: April 04, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »
Considering Zak hasn't posted since shortly after I voted Schezo (aka Before Anything Actually Kind Of Interesting Happened) I don't care about him yet
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2013, 08:53:25 PM »
Considering Zak hasn't posted since shortly after I voted Schezo (aka Before Anything Actually Kind Of Interesting Happened) I don't care about him yet

Well I thought he'd need a re-read and opinion after several others gave one beforehand.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2013, 08:54:06 PM »
I am about to leave work for home so I can't really properly digest what has happened so far. When I get home I will do so. In the meantime, I would like everyone to go back and read Other General Rule #3.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2013, 08:57:32 PM »
People jumping on NNR because they want him to restate his one~three small posts in not-caps is silly, Dormio's done tons of posting quirks waaay more unreadable then this and people sometimes didn't care a whole lot. (That being said, since it's ed1 this isn't scummy-silly) My opinion on the actual posting quirk is I don't care but a lot of other people do, so ultimately it can't continue without needlessly upsetting/distracting a bunch of people from trying to play to town's wincon. It's one of the most pointless things we could be arguing about right now, y'know  :derp:

I'm not voting NNR for his allcaps spam, I'm voting him primarily for this post and secondarily for his anti-town petulance.

As it is in MotK mafia, it seems 90% of the time the people posting and making the most effort get lynched or have to constantly fend off accusations, because they're the only ones doing anything. And that turns into 'defending scum!' accusations but since no-one else posts...

Sometimes I wonder if I should just lurk. Probably get less votes for doing that than trying to find scum and point out problems with others.

Coincidentally, this is the biggest reason why I'm not voting you.  People who talk ED1 generally get wagons for whatever (bad) reason, and if they feel like spending a lot of time responding to people (as you have), their wordcount increases and gives people more ammunition with which to pick your posts apart.  We'll call it the Loquacious Theory for short.

So, as it happens, I think Raikaria's done a lot of silly quibbling with people today, but has also made attempts at genuine-looking scumhunting, so.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2013, 09:14:15 PM »
It's clear I'm not in the mindset to scumhunt well right now and I'm going to begone until tomorrow when I hopefully will be less upset and more focused on the game.
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2013, 10:36:30 PM »
Halfway Point

NekoNekoRex (3): Edible, IHNN, Pesco
Edible (1): Affinity
Serela (2): NekoNekoRex, Raikaria
Schezo (2): Polaris, Zakeri
Pesco (1): Shadoweh
Zakeri (1): Schezo
Raikaria (3): BT, Dormio, Serela
Not Voting (0)
With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.

Just under 24? hours left in Day 1.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 11:26:18 PM by PX »

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: April 04, 2013, 11:42:07 PM »
It's not lurking if I'm at school!

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

Serela we can't be a dynamic duo if you roll scum :v

^ this is gut

I don't think we should lynch Raikaria today `_`No other opinions as of yet, and I haven't read in detail yet.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: April 05, 2013, 12:01:57 AM »
Okay well I tried to read in detail but I can't see anything that seems to be relevant so sorry everyone

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: April 05, 2013, 12:06:09 AM »
Did you throw a dart and vote?  Surely one post made you feel "gut"~

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2013, 12:08:14 AM »
Tonight's drink: metropolitan.

Okay well I tried to read in detail but I can't see anything that seems to be relevant so sorry everyone

Please try harder :|

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: April 05, 2013, 12:14:52 AM »
##Unvote
##Vote: Ralkraia

Textbook scummy is the thing.  Points out stuff and agrees with stuff without actually factoring it into a meaningful vote.  No one is bound to wait for their RVS voting target before getting out of RVS etc.  Thus the vote.  Don't agree with the Lopacious Theory or whatever; meaningful votes are worth all the words in the world really.

I still think NNR is merely being NNR as always and I'd prefer not to care about his shenanigans and stuff.  Again, potential target for scum to park their votes on as usual if he's town; just makes the subsequent bandwagon analysis much harder.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: April 05, 2013, 12:15:06 AM »
Well Serela is either scum or having a really really bad day because those posts are totally not the Sereliest :ohdear:

Schezo and Raikaria are ugh and I don't really care about either of them

I feel like NNR is kind of a soft option but he's still a bit iffy.

Everyone else doesn't really need commenting on

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: April 05, 2013, 12:16:48 AM »
So you said you were about to give a read what?