DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Damn, you caught me.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Dormio, am I scum?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I don't really think so.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Although I am very confused.

[NekoNekoRex]

where's the scum benefit once you flip town? note that i obviously don't need this claim to lynch you as scum. this is basically turning a day that doesn't need to be a 1v1 into a 1v1, something that never benefits scum

js i think town!you would at least consider if this was a gambit or something (it isn't but yeah)

The scum benefit is that they lynch town :V
Also the "you're scum for claiming a scumread via cop" seems like he believes it's a gambit

(not pushing "I'M TOWN BECAUSE I MADE THIS CLAIM" but rather that it makes no fucking sense for PX's reaction to be "yeah he's DEFINITELY not town")

"Hey that guy is claiming I'm scum via cop read he must be scum"

it makes no sense for me to claim this as scum since i can obviously get you lynched without it. where's your answer to my earlier question?

hell it was probably dumb of me to out it as town but i'm tired of bullshit like dan's post so i posted the claim before really thinking about it :X

Why claim it unless you are JUST THAT DESPERATE?

because he's scummy?

px is really obviously capable of writing rage posts as scum if he wants to and he definitely would given that people vote him until he does every single game. nothing in that post was a towntell

not that i would know seeing as i haven't read it.

"I didn't read that giant ragepost, PX is scum because I said so, also raging is a nulltell but I'm painting it as scummy anyway"

SK should shoot me tonight, I'm obviously not getting lynched and I'll give them another kill........

Playng to the SK wincon isn't exactly pro-townie play.

OH WAIT i forgot that as cop there's literally no reason for me to switch to rawr

yeah i'm town failsafe. anybody who didn't put PX to l-1 to see if he'd selfhammer should quit mafia forever

Thanks for confirming you are full of bullshit.

[Raikaria]

Oh yeah, if you're leading the charge then why are people sheeping to HW?

I don't know if they're sheeping to Huh What, or just agreeing with my logic that I posted LD1. Several people agreed with it, but stated they thought it was too late for a PX wagon to form.

If you could kindly explain why you saw fit to ask for permission to hammer Serela, before Serela had a chance to respond, then I might change my opinion. Because as it is; it looks like you wanted to hammer Serela, but wanted to have the defense 'Town said I could!', when/if he flipped town, which makes me think you KNEW he was town, and the whole asking for permission thing was scum covering their own rears on a townie hammer.

Also confused with HW. I don't exactly think he's town either, but would like PX to actually explain the whole 'Pls let me hammer Serela' event still.

Also, Huh What's flip-flop claiming isn't good either, but I want to see if there's any more developments in this whole thing. Looks like HW is attempting to force a PX-HW 1v1 though.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

really nnr the best i can do to defend the dumb cop claim is quote everything from my thoughts qt since that's not against the rules

really just trying to provoke a response from px with the "didn't read lol" so i can judge if his rage is legitimate or not

(I don't think it is, by the way. He also never gave a serious answer to my question from earlier.)

and then

Doing this to put scum in an awkward position since they should know I'm not actually cop if they're the one who stole it. I don't think a townie stole cop...

actually i'm just doing this because i'm tired of this game and think cop fakeclaims are fun even though there's probably not really much town benefit sorry for BASICALLY fucking up your game

I wish somebody would push PX to L-1 to see if he self-hammers, that's basically the towniest thing you could do right now but nope

then again px could self-hammer if he was terrible town i guess but i kind of just pray he isn't/wouldn't?

Scum are totally gonna post this all in their quicktopic so that it'll leak to the thread or zak. I see right through them.

[PX]

Except I didn't ask for permission to hammer Serela, I asked if people wanted me to hammer Serela.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Officially requesting a replacement.

Conq can read my thoughts quicktopic/the scum quicktopic/whatever the fuck actually I have to see why, I don't think it's fair to post the explanation in-thread since it would bias the game.

[Raikaria]

Except I didn't ask for permission to hammer Serela, I asked if people wanted me to hammer Serela.

That still amounts to 'Town told me to' as a defense.

If you thought Serela was the best lynch, you would have just lynched.

If you didn't want Serela to be lynched you would have tried to make a counter-wagon [I tried!]

Asking if the town wants you to lynch Serela, while he's at L-1, before he has a chance to defend himself stinks of a scum attempting to hammer town but wanting to cover their rears to me, and several people agreed LD1.

Officially requesting a replacement.

Conq can read my thoughts quicktopic/the scum quicktopic/whatever the fuck actually I have to see why, I don't think it's fair to post the explanation in-thread since it would bias the game.

._.

[Conqueror]

Replacing huhwhat. If no replacements are found in 2 to 3 days, I'm modkilling the slot.

Day 2, DEFCON 2

Votecount ISON
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
huhwhat (3): ActionDan, PX, NekoNekoRex
PX (4): Shadoweh, Zakeri, Raikaria, huhwhat

Not Voting (3): Serela, BT, rawr

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 5.5 hours.

[NekoNekoRex]

*NekoRex throws his hands up in the air*

Welp I have no idea what to do now, it's hard to lynch HW after he basically just ran away from the game, but that doesn't excuse him for being scummy as fuck.

[Shadoweh]

Kind of inclined to Wait and See with PX, the early hammer thread did strike me as pretty strange, but at the same time I don't want to sheep HW because I still don't like him this game.

Wait until what?

Dormio, that's alot of just saying what happened. I don't think Rawr was a bad vote in the first place. Why was a 'large defense of Dan' scummy, since you make it sound that way? And I had not forgotten about Raikaria. I thought he claimed Doc. I realized last night that he claimed Doc or Silo, IE the things we knew he was between. So I'm kind of mad about that actually.
I'm voting PX because he's there, also because the hammer request was strange. Being weird hasn't made me scum before, and I don't intend to start being normal now.

Serela, yesterday you thought I was town, why are you suddenly waffling when your wagon is gone and I'm done not voting you?

PX: There are three stolen roles. And Zakeri is probably not scum. So that post sure is a thing.

....
what
WHAT
YOU TOLD ME TO GRAB IT AND THEN YOU WENT FOR IT ANYWAYS WITHOUT EVEN ASKING ME TO TRY AND GRAB FAILSAFE?! Then who the fuck is the failsafe? Do you not realize that someone on the scumteam or SK-Team would have tried to grab it and realized that you were lying? I will gladly prove it by attempting to nuke you tomorrow though. In fact if you're lying and you really are the failsafe I'm still going to nuke you fyi. Or you could replace out and change your mind while I'm reading huh what please don't have angry breakdowns in the middle of the thread. Since you're taking it back I hate to say that I thought exactly what Dan did, it doesn't feel right that PX would forget that the scumteam he put up is impossible.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I rather think your reaction is because you knew Huh what was lying, and you have no reason to know that if you're town.

[Raikaria]

Well there must be some reason if Conq accepted it, but damn, this is a mess. We can't really push too much on PXvHW when HW isn't HW anymore.

@ Shadoweh: Ran asked me to confirm/deny if I was Doc/Silo or now, aka: if I had followed my role in the plan.

Claiming specifically if I was doc or not would have been stupid. It either narrows down the doc targets by 1, or paints a target on my back.

[Serela]

how can anyone vote PX after that post.

Seriously.

Doesn't it even say somewhere that using that command when you can't is supposed to get you modkilled or something? Maybe that was suggested and not implemented, idk. His second post made it sound like he intended to be modkilled. Either way, he's like, totally not scum.

The one that looks like a scum flipping tables in anger and attempts to throw away the reasoning against him with 'Huh What is scum!'

I'm sorry Raikaria but really I can't agree with almost any of your logic this game  :fail:

And then HW claims cop with a guilty on PX, uhm. And then he claims not actually being cop? Dude what is this, HW pretending to be me from Werewolf Mafia? Oh my god. (This is more not dumb because town most likely doesn't have cop, but still) Oh god then he replaces out what is even happening

I'm don't even

[Serela]

I still think HW's slot is town. I'm trying to figure out who the scumteam could even be after all my townreads though. rawr/bt/nnr??? Buh, I can worry about that later. Individual scum first.

Rawr stop not existing. :C

I'm... I'm too tired to try to think more after work and all this crazy stuff. We still have 4 more days of game time and I have the next two days off work. See you later.

[WHMZakeri]

Just read through the madness
HW's gambit might not have worked, but at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
This also puts Shadoweh in a better light for me, since Dormio kept trying to pursue the case on her despite it.

[PX]

Shadoweh, explain just how is the scumteam is impossible?

[NekoNekoRex]

Wait until what?

Until [PX] posts more. Which he has.

##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I rather think your reaction is because you knew Huh what was lying, and you have no reason to know that if you're town.

No.
I did have reason to believe he wasn't cop. HW made a plan for town to get roles, why would he blatantly go against that? It's not logical. Saying he was trying to "steal the role from scum" either means he's contradicting his assumption you're town when you lost your role or that he thought his plan was a bust anyway, in which he should have just canceled it instead of trying to "steal" roles.

Huhwhat going against his own plan makes no logical sense from any POV. Going against the plan is naturally an anti-town move anyway and admitting to it as a gambit is a scum move.

Huwwhat at the same time is trying to push PX for no clear reason, and wasn't even defending the case on PX, just handwaving it as PX being "teh angry scums". I didn't see anything that made PX scummy beyond typical PX inactivity and his hammer comment, and his "ragepost" certainly doesn't confirm him as scum.

I resent the accusation that I should automatically follow the cop when it's clear whoever the cop is, is scum.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.

wut?

[BT]

Roleblocked.

Started getting re-paranoid over reads (Zak mainly) during the night. Thought I'd sort everything out today including Shadoweh/NNR but I didn't plan on sleeping through the latter half of it.

##Vote Serela

In light of non-stable reads and the sort-through I plan to do TOMORROW, I'm just gonna stick to my own finds. I didn't find any towntell on my skim-through so if that's the reason why no one is interested in this anymore go ahead and point things out.

(PX/huhwhat are both pending reads for those wondering. The latter is giving me hell for what I'm able to make of the last few pages -- the gambit-gambit action seems like something he'd do as scum but then quoting from a QT... a little too much probably.)

I'm a mess. Sleep.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh, explain just how is the scumteam is impossible?

If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.

[Shadoweh]

Claiming specifically if I was doc or not would have been stupid. It either narrows down the doc targets by 1, or paints a target on my back.

Let me be more clear. I unwagoned you because I thought you had claimed an important PR. Now I look back and see that you were not an important PR and we should have lynched you.

[Shadoweh]

Also, if it's not based on RAGE I could guess at huh what's reasoning. He's probably town/atleastnotscum so.

[Serela]

Yeah don't ask me how sk hunting works.

[Conqueror]

Day 2, DEFCON 2 - Game Event

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Alpha. Sodapop. India?
Potato. Alpha.

Abort abort! Abandon ship! All hands to the lifeboats! We're going down!

Alpha. N. Sodapop. India.
Bravo. India. Alpha. Alpha. November. Bravo. N. Potato Alpha

Soda n/a

Today me and Rocky had a staring contest

Needless to say Rocky won.

Oh god I got another soda bottle in my room

And I can't throw this one away either

[NekoNekoRex]

If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.

What if the eavesdropper and the failsafe are the ones stealing the roles?

[NekoNekoRex]

The above is hypothetical, but scum can deny town up to 6 roles if they were assigned three power roles, then stole 3 more roles.

[Serela]

...yeah, that'd make the plan kind of brutal for town if suggested by scum.

I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.

HW I could see as scum (PX's case definitely wasn't bad and almost made me want to vote HW) even if I don't think it's really the case.

[Serela]

hw is just terrifying I guess :c