Author Topic: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN) (Read 83495 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #780 on:** February 09, 2013, 12:42:18 PM »

The question is to Dorian, which is for him to pick a side in your incompatible claims instead of doing the equivalent of wait and see.

Serela · « **Reply #781 on:** February 09, 2013, 01:58:06 PM »

I come in and see Affinity's claim and I'm all "Oh huh. Well with that in mind I think I'll vote Do-" and then everyone is voting Affinity instantly and I'm like "huh?"

...but if he was town I'd have to assume Dormio's scumbuddies were afk/already voting Affinity and Polly/Sas are people I think are town :/

Well I guess if he continues to not get quicklynched then >_> <_<

Serela · « **Reply #782 on:** February 09, 2013, 01:59:08 PM »

Also didn't no-lynch-tan have the bad breath power?! Just look at the opening post!

Awwwwwh. I guess smelling bad isn't a special power today.

Affinity · « **Reply #783 on:** February 09, 2013, 03:38:44 PM »

Let me repeat the points which I find Dormio to be scummy, outside of the counterclaim.

1. Dormio claims to have no result on PX on N1. Let's say, given a three scum setup, you would think you would have one person conducting an NK, and at least one person doing some role-related stuff. Having a no result on your major scumread can and should make one question it, given the improbability of him being scum (1/3 maybe). One should try looking elsewhere at least. Yet he chases after PX as his major and only scumread nonetheless for the next two days, even after the mason/lover claim. This forms the entire bulk of his content along with some random townreads he does not act on at all. As to how anyone with a townie conscience, no matter how lazy or apathetic can act like this is beyond me.

2. Dormio has mostly avoided commenting on the major disputes and decisions for each day, at best giving unexplained town reads (like that on NNR) His only two meaningful scum stances were that on ActionDan at the beginning of D1 (which he initiated), and on PX throughout the entire game, even when he had a no result on him N1 and when PX and rawr claimed lover masons. Yes he voted Zakeri and Dorian, but the first was due to a meaningless observation that Zakeri had little content and the latter was a not me over me.

Affinity · « **Reply #784 on:** February 09, 2013, 03:52:01 PM »

The votes on me not by Dormio are currently unexplained; not borne out of any meaningful comparison between claims or assessment of past history, but rather kneejerk reactions, probably based on chronology. Shadoweh is a little better, but why she posits such specific demands on me while discounting Dormio's gut choices is beyond me. Her point about scum neighbours most likely not conducting the kill due or having a role is fallacious, the Dormio nonsense myopic (unlike Dormio I have more than one scumread). In general I'm wary of this preferential treatment, and would ask to everyone to explain or change their votes, with the help of, you know, actual reasons.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #785 on:** February 09, 2013, 09:56:09 PM »

Quote from: Affinity on February 09, 2013, 04:26:24 AM

though any of my three results may just be me being unlucky.

Quote from: Affinity on February 09, 2013, 03:38:44 PM

Having a no result on your major scumread can and should make one question it

_who _{the whimsical Dormio}
Dare is saying that it didn't? Watakushi-sama simply decided that PX was scum anyway.
_I _you _everyone _you _I _what _you _now
Watashi also has a question to ask. Didn't kimi tell minna-san that kimi liked watashi's thoughts about PX? Nani does kimi think about them ima?
_this _you _{the innocent Dormio}
In fact, let's take kore further. Isn't kimi's opinion of PX far more suspicious than watakushi-sama's?

Serela · « **Reply #786 on:** February 09, 2013, 10:26:54 PM »

Affinity has been at L-2, probably without more then one scum on his wagon as I realllly doubt Polly/Sas-amra are, for like 16 hours. Affinity came back and talked more and no one except Dormio seems to feel like responding, either. I'unno, it seems like this is kind of said and done >_>

16 hours without getting quicklynched is kind of incriminating plus this is getting really boring and I doubt all these people will get off Affinity anyway.

##Vote Affinity

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #787 on:** February 09, 2013, 10:44:17 PM »

Watakushi-sama tunnelled, dakara what?
_you _I _{the detective}
As kimi that found watashi's sudden drop of NNR suspicious, watakushi-sama finds the same in regards to Affinity's PX drop.
_why _someone
Naze is a simple role claim good enough for dare that was paranoid about tracker results?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #788 on:** February 09, 2013, 10:47:15 PM »

_I _everyone _I _days
In addition, watashi doesn't know about minna-san, but watashi gets the impression that Affinity has been leaving himself too many options over the past few bi.

Serela · « **Reply #789 on:** February 09, 2013, 10:50:57 PM »

18* hours, because I can't count.

Affinity · « **Reply #790 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:34:11 PM »

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Watashi also has a question to ask. Didn't kimi tell minna-san that kimi liked watashi's thoughts about PX?

Not after your claim where you got no results on PX obviously, since that is my major point against you. The fortune teller tells you that you have merely 1/3 chance that some card contains your destiny and yet you take it and hoard it so greedily, apart from all the other cards you could pick! Any self-reflection you did over PX obviously didn't transfer well to the topic imo.

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As kimi that found watashi's sudden drop of NNR suspicious, watakushi-sama finds the same in regards to Affinity's PX drop.

Previously people were entertaining themselves with the 'hidden connections' between PX and rawr, which I did not entertain in my assessment of him. A mason and lover claim was too explicit; it implied that rawr and PX were scum together if PX was scum which I was not ready to believe. This is regardless of PX's content. I gave my reasons you did not.

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Not only is Serela's vote on me terrible, it is stupid. Taking his townreads to be stronger than his scumreads (Dormio) as his first proposition and therefore lynching me out of boredom is laughable, and in fact hard to stomach. I don't feel like any of the votes on me are based on any solid grounding. Life is tough.

Serela · « **Reply #791 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:44:42 PM »

It's not as if I didn't want you lynched anyway. I do think Dormio is a little scummier but you're scummy as well, so if everyone's going to ##Vote Affinity then ah well, it's not like I have anything enlightening to say to change their minds >_> If they do based on what you've said, that's great, but it's been a long time and no one other then Dormio has responded, so my hope on that level is ~*~incredibly low~*~.

Plus when you go for fricken ever without getting quicklynched, uuuuuh. I'm pretty much positive Sas-amra is town (and everyone else has pretty much agreed so she's not getting lynched anytime soon) and Polly is pretty town and similarly very unlikely to get lynched because only Shadoweh thinks she's bad iirc. If they're scum, we've probably already lost anyway. And if they're town, then you not being dead right now looks reaaaaally bad on you.

Serela · « **Reply #792 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:45:41 PM »

EBWOP

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If they do based on what you've said, that's great,

in light of remembering that my second paragraph exists, yeah, this is a Not ACtually What I think

Affinity · « **Reply #793 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:50:34 PM »

As I said, relying on your townreads more than the strength of your scumreads; while having a defeatist attitude regarding their alignment instead of relying on good old scumhunting. You have not even given an opinion on how I am scummy in the preceding posts, and yet you state that nonchalantly; don't you seem a little strange?

Serela · « **Reply #794 on:** February 09, 2013, 11:59:02 PM »

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while having a defeatist attitude regarding their alignment instead of relying on good old scumhunting.

Uh, I'm really confident they're town, how is that defeatist? I mean, it's possible to paint my logic in that light, but it's also, as said, just painting it that way>_>

Isn't having townreads a form of scumhunting, anyway?

I don't see much point in continuing to debate this, in any case. In lylo, stuff often comes down to arguably "lame" logic like this (Ahaha that vanilla mafia were we turbolynched on the last 2~3 days in a row and won) but I think it's pretty solid all the same.

Darkoda · « **Reply #795 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:23:45 AM »

On one hand Affinity's reasons for not simply tracking any of the people he claimed suspicions on sound iffy to me.

On the other I don't know if that's just Mafia meta there =_=

Anyways why is relying on who you think is town a bad thing?

I have no name · « **Reply #796 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:45:24 AM »

Votecount of Memoria
Affinity: Polaris, Dormio, SasAmra-san, Serela (4) [L-1]
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda, Dorian, Shadoweh

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
You have 46 hours remaining.

Affinity · « **Reply #797 on:** February 10, 2013, 12:53:42 AM »

@Darkoda:

It's best to rely on who is scum and vote them accordingly. I did track Dorian, who I found suspicious, so your thing doesn't hold much water. I gave reasons for why I did not go for PX or Dormio. You don't seem to be getting the full story of this thing.

@Serela:

'if they are scum no one is going to lynch them and we are going to lose boohoohoo. therefore lets lynch affinity' -> defeatist.

Also townreads suck, they give one a good guideline as to what to choose, but no one should be cleared from suspicion except through roles because expectations are easily subverted. Scumhunting starts with scum, so if you find me scummy then relate it to how my actions are such so that I can answer you to the best of my ability, don't give the 'but amra/polly are probably town' stuff. Given that you found my claim immediately more convincing than Dormio's, I doubt the sincerity of what you are saying.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #798 on:** February 10, 2013, 01:05:04 AM »

Quote from: Affinity on February 10, 2013, 12:53:42 AM

Given that you found my claim immediately more convincing than Dormio's

_{the curious Dormio}
Watakushi-sama wonders where Darkoda said that.

Affinity · « **Reply #799 on:** February 10, 2013, 01:05:40 AM »

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@Serela:

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #800 on:** February 10, 2013, 01:09:46 AM »

_I
Hmm. Watashi thought it was directed at both of them. Oh well.

Polaris · « **Reply #801 on:** February 10, 2013, 02:00:09 AM »

is there anything anyone wants me to do or should i just sit here

Affinity · « **Reply #802 on:** February 10, 2013, 02:17:34 AM »

So I'm not a person now. Woe is me.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #803 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:22:14 AM »

I'm still cool with lynching Dorian, just so people know.

But if he'd like to come prove me wrong that would be excellent.

Sorry Affinity, I thought you made a good defense for yourself, but counterclaiming Dormio like that is just too suspicious. :< Also you failed to recognize my townie obvtowny town townness. Don't worry, we're still pretty clueless about who your third buddy is besides Dorian.

Dorian White · « **Reply #804 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:47:49 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on February 10, 2013, 03:22:14 AM

I'm still cool with lynching Dorian, just so people know.
But if he'd like to come prove me wrong that would be excellent.

That feeling is mutual Shadoweh.

I actually have to wonder why you even talk about things at all. All the ?reasons? you gave since day two can be summarized as ?because I say so? and if you don't give me a reason then I have to see if I can find one myself. Guess what I have found one, it's called scum bias!
You voted Zakeri cause you had no reason to doubt his claim, inventor or vig doesn't even matter for you here.
Your day two votes are even worse, picking up a slap fight with Conq and later with Polaris just to stay away from the inevitable town lynch that was NNR but not without using you chance to cheerlead his wagon.
?... Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. ? NNR definitely deserves it ...? is it even possible to be more blunt then this?
?... PX is for once not being useless and *he's always townie to me as scum* I refuse to let people lynch him ...? Yes, yes it is!
What brings me to your day three, where it wasn't enough to just stay away from the lynch you actually defended him. I still have to wonder how you actually managed to defended this vote parking, prod dodging, super tunneling, low one liner contend something that was PX without giving even a single reason why he's town!
But you also needed a new target, so you picked you half forgotten ED1 vote to get Polaris on your side. You were ?soooooooo sure?, in fact so sure that you dropped me and never mentioned me again till day three after two good looking posts. You even called this a "serious attempt to get me lynched" to prove that we aren't buddies. Of course, every ED1 case implies a serious intention to lynch, particularly if you are so sure [/sarcasm].
You can tell me that after the Lone Star Security Officer that arrested you informed you about your rights and gave you your free phone call to get a lawyer. Also, don't forget your pink-plush-toaster.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #805 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:50:56 AM »

Are you seriously going to keep trying to get through this day while never differentiating between the lynches? I am not on the menu. Affinity or Dormio. This is not rocket science.

Polaris · « **Reply #806 on:** February 10, 2013, 03:58:04 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on February 10, 2013, 03:22:14 AM

Don't worry, we're still pretty clueless about who your third buddy is besides Dorian.

my intuition says it's darkoda

Polaris · « **Reply #807 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:00:25 AM »

i just realized intuition is just a more sophisticated term for gut

Dorian White · « **Reply #808 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:08:17 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on February 10, 2013, 03:50:56 AM

Are you seriously going to keep trying to get through this day while never differentiating between the lynches? I am not on the menu. Affinity or Dormio. This is not rocket science.

Are you seriously going to hand wave my case away? Fine, I'll go with the more solid town read here! As if you guys haven't made the decision already irrevocable, so I take the liberty to end this bloody waste of time right now.

##Vote: Affinity

Satisfied?

I have no name · « **Reply #809 on:** February 10, 2013, 04:10:49 AM »

End of Day 4 Votecount
Affinity: Polaris, Dormio, SasAmra-san, Serela, Dorian (5)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda, Shadoweh

Affinity, playing Lani, Town Watcher has been lynched. Scum win!

...

...

Actually no.

He was playing Kuja, Scum Watcher and Sore Loser.

Quote from: night action stuff

Every night you may choose one player to watch, learning who, if anyone, targeted them last night.

Being a sore loser, when killed you cast Ultima in at any one person on your wagon when you were lynched, killing them instantly. However, being a good sport you will not do this if it would result in a a win before the next day starts (i.e. LYLO or MYLO)

Night 4, 24 hours, go.