Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)

[Conqueror]

Ooh my god. How can you possibly be so arrogant.
The fact that he was 'playing like scum' just means it was easier for scum to try to lynch him. Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role. Trying to wave away the wagon is extremely scummy because you're basically telling people to ignore the flips.

(It's NNR, he's an arrogant jerkass. Do you think he's scum or do you just hate his attitude?)
(I remember PX getting lynched for doing the exact same thing in NotV)

This is also why I think a wagon on PX is badd, PX is being really town and NNR definitely deserves it for first acting like he was screwed going up against a power role, then claiming a power role himself (BP lol).

What does this even mean? NNR "deserves it"? wtf?

That said, I'm not really inclined to lynch PX today. Will look at NNR again I suppose, but I think I'd want to lynch Dorian over both.

[NekoNekoRex]

Read your first line of the day. I'm just saiyan.

It's followed by a list of scum reads

Just "saiyan".

[Conqueror]

EBWOP:
To expand on my response to Shadoweh, if Zak was a vig his confirmability was shot once he claimed, so then we're dealing with play. Given that Zak literally had zero scumspects when he softclaimed and his claim wasn't even a proper claim, yes, that supersedes my guesswork about Zak being a lazy power role who could prove himself because then he could just be lazy scum trying to get people off his back. As you said, even you had scumspects in PoR.

[Conqueror]

Passing off the entire Zak wagon as town (see post 409 for yes he is doing this) is :idonteven: If Zakeri is playing like scum and got lynched for it, why would it be unlikely for actual scum to be voting him too?

Forgot to mention the obvious part of that post that "the scum were free to try and get either of us lynched, it was a town/town wagon"

Besides I was confident in that wagon and I'm confident in the town reads on most of the people on that wagon.  Zak played like scum, and he got lynched.

I wish I had more votes so that I could put them all on the people who voted me yesterday

Except BT. He's fine.

PX had no case on me yesterday except for that ED1 sheeping thing, and then by the end of the day he upgraded it to "Ignoring all your post content, ##Vote because AtE".
Rawr didn't even make a clear reason past sheeping, and refused to explain the vote later on.
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
Doian's case was bad because read post #232, although he's not really scummy for it as much as "baseless accusations" PX and the Scum Voting Block.

##Vote: PX

Darkoda and Amra-san got a handhold on D1 but they need to start forming their own opinions and voting.

Dormio needs to start explaining things because he can't hide behind his post restriction forever.

The rest of you lot are off the hook because you're probably town.

NekoNekoRex:    rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Zakeri (5)
Zakeri:    NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, Affinity, ActionDan, PX, BT ( 8 ) LYNCH

Serela can't read.
PX is probably being a dick on purpose.

Actually, ##Vote: Dorian for now.
I'll make a proper post later.

[Conqueror]

Darkoda, please post in this thread. A penny for your thoughts!
Seriously, man.  You haven't had a serious scumspect all game. Who do you think is scum?  :3

[Darkoda]

Right since most of the reads so far have been based on what people know of others normal behaviour, I haven't been getting much and can just judge on what the posts feel like to me.

Anyway, right now reading over everything, the only person who really sticks out as odd is Dormio. Ignoring the crazy japanese posting, he kept posting about PX but in the end didn't give much reasoning and just kind of...dropped off.

I'm not sure but something seems a bit off and I don't think it's just his posts being inherently a pain to read (which I think is suspicious in of itself, making his posts that much harder to get a read off of.)

[BT]

I was GOING to post this straight away but a certain mod decided to move deadine by 2 hours, causing me to snooze in anticipation. At least it won't be a ghost town this time. <_<

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##Vote NekoNekoRex

Still angry at my NNR flipflop. I feel as though if it weren't for Zak being an easy vote NNR would've continued flailing around, because like I said, he hasn't scumhunted, like, at all. Looking back his Zak vote was pretty much a votepark for the entirety of D1. I'm also angry at the already stated random desperation at the end of the day, pushing Zak's "gonna shoot" comment like some terrible lie that can't be forgiven. Wanting to see the Zak vote through is one thing but I think this is a little too much, hence my choice of words. To top it all off, one-night untargetable is a fucking stupid role for a townie -- it's a staple of the Dragoon so I could see scum automatically choosing to claim that ability without thinking it through.

What I said earlier about Dormio is still pretty bad -- he neglected to comment on the NNR wagon despite promising to and instead jumped on the other wagon which he did not comment on AT ALL prior, not even once. I was going to say that NNR's flip would help a lot here but it's terrible both if NNR is scum and if NNR is town so :whatever:. I'd be happy to see this guy go too.

Honestly Dormio. Share your glorious thought process with me here:

_{your beloved Dormio                                    tomorrow                           now                the celebrity                              that person}
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.

Votecount of Dali
NekoNekoRex:    PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (3)
Zakeri:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)

You have  24  hours remaining.

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I had to make my own votecount. Just before the quote below:

NekoNekoRex:    PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian (4)
Zakeri:    NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror (3)
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If need be, watashi will switch to Zakeri.

ctrl+f magic says this is your first mention of Zakeri itg. It also tells me the other quote is your first mention of NNR but let's take one thing at a time.

Thou Shall Not Lynch From This List
Serela
Amra
PX
Dan
Shadoweh

Shadoweh probably the weakest read (among super strong town reads) but her reads (especially the gut reads) were almost identical to mine so far. Amra mostly for that last post after deadline. Actually I think Shadoweh is the stronger read. Anyway, Serela, PX and Dan are 100% town.

I tried reading Conq again. Read him as town one half of the time, read him as scum the other half. His vote went from NNR to Zak to rawr to Zak and some of his posts near the end give me Futo vibes. ... I don't really have anything to say here. I'm just realy annoyed.

Question for Affinity:

Dormio voted ActionDan for not having a vote.  Why are people voting him for being incomprehensible when that much is obvious?  This question is particularly aimed at Darkoda who was voting Dan in the first place.

@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?

Where does this Dormio defense stem from?

Also want rawr to get off his couch and post more because I don't want PX to be forced to share his reasoning.

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As for recent posts:

I like your Conq vote Shadoweh. I don't think it was impossible for Conq to do that but he needs to explain ...

NNR how exactly how you reading 'everyone else town' while reading PX and Serela as scum. It looks more like you're STILL not scumhunting and instead looking at your wagon like some kind of all-scum wagon. Why would it be an all-scum wagon? What would compell you to look there after a D1 with, in your perspective, two town wagons? Going 'everyone else is probably town' as a result is really yuck.

As for your reply to the LAL thing, yes, there's no reason for a townie to do it, only they do it all the time. It's not like you never played mafia or anything. <_< You still had no reason to stand up and say "no, fuck that, he shall be lynched for it". This and the other things you do like what I pointed out above probably aren't coming from a townie thinking things through so vote stays.

Oh whatever. I stopped reading at Serela's posts, I think? I'll be back in 8 hours. Just want people to respond to this for now.

In addition I've only skimmed through Affinity's posts so I may be discrediting here but you are currently voting PX.

[Affinity]

Early Day 1 Dormio did post a good (for that time) case on ActionDan, and yet people didn't acknowledge this when they voted for Dormio solely due to the posting style.  Was pretty much questioning people for their one-sided assessment on Dormio.  When I came back attention shifted elsewhere however, and Amra and Darkoda pretty much receded into the background while the others changed their votes.  Now, Dormio seems rather lackluster so I guess those points are moot now.

How is PX town?

Darkoda is not adapting well to internet mafia and is pretty much not bothering to assess anyone's arguments, which is infuriating.  I want to know; what do you think of the various votes being thrown around?  You can't possibly agree with every stance being put forward out there (for and against NNR for example) without becoming inconsistent.  Dormio being tough to read due to posting style is old, stale by now.  Relying on your own personal ideas of what is scummy and not without considering or countering other people's ideas is really narrow-minded.

[NekoNekoRex]

I was GOING to post this straight away but a certain mod decided to move deadine by 2 hours, causing me to snooze in anticipation. At least it won't be a ghost town this time. <_<

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##Vote NekoNekoRex

Still angry at my NNR flipflop. I feel as though if it weren't for Zak being an easy vote NNR would've continued flailing around, because like I said, he hasn't scumhunted, like, at all. Looking back his Zak vote was pretty much a votepark for the entirety of D1. Right, because I definitely had SO MUCH content of Zakeri's to criticize throughout all of D1. I'm also angry at the already stated random desperation at the end of the day, You should put yourself on the  receiving end of the Voting Train and say that again. pushing Zak's "gonna shoot" comment like some terrible lie that can't be forgiven. Wanting to see the Zak vote through is one thing but I think this is a little too much, hence my choice of words. It is kind of a hard transition to go from being forced to twiddle my thumbs for him all day to suddenly having a bunch of content to criticize. Dan brought up the same points and nobody is giving him shit, either (because he's dead and flopped town) To top it all off, one-night untargetable is a fucking stupid role for a townie -- it's a staple of the Dragoon so I could see scum automatically choosing to claim that ability without thinking it through. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL when the fuck did I say it was one-shot?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Scum have safeclaims anyways so even if I were scum I wouldn't be that idiotic to fake it. I assume they have completely believable claims and that remark only shows how ignorant you are right now.

NNR how exactly how you reading 'everyone else town' while reading PX and Serela as scum. Because Serela and PX and Rawr are useless jerkoffs with no good reason to be voting me. PX and Rawr have barely contributed anything either. It looks more like you're STILL not scumhunting and instead looking at your wagon like some kind of all-scum wagon. Wasn't the first time my wagon was scum-funded. Why would it be an all-scum wagon? Clearly because I am an easy target for my natural noise-making abilities and controversial replies. But fuck if I really know. Also please reread my reads, thanks. What would compell you to look there after a D1 with, in your perspective, two town wagons? Why wouldn't it? I was a still perfectly viable lynch target by the end of D1 Going 'everyone else is probably town' as a result is really yuck. Just for you I will retract that statement but only in the case of Shadoweh. Everyone else still reads town to me.i

As for your reply to the LAL thing, yes, there's no reason for a townie to do it, only they do it all the time. Unless I am pulling a bullshit gambit like claiming Doctor when I am really the BP, no, there is not really any good reason to lie to town. It's not like you never played mafia or anything. This will be my 9th month on the forums here. I have still only had one Scum game not counting Best Idea. <_< You still had no reason to stand up and say "no, fuck that, he shall be lynched for it". The claim was clearly causing confusion among the players as to the voting response and validity of the claim. As a townie, do you want players to do that, and then watch their negative response as you retract the claim? Fuck no. Gambits are not just pranks you can pull on townies.This and the other things you do like what I pointed out above probably aren't coming from a townie thinking things through so vote stays.

In addition I've only skimmed through Affinity's posts so I may be discrediting here but you are currently voting PX. PX is beta-tier obvscum so I don't see a problem with that imo. You should really adjust those reading glasses.

[PX]

... Cereal question here. Are you a JOB alt?

[NekoNekoRex]

No, but I can tell you this:

I am currently having an awful day.
Perfect for playing Mafia

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

 _{what               the strongest                       I                            now}
Nani did watakushi-sama miss? Watashi is reading ima.

[Conqueror]

NNR, shut up about PX for a moment because "LOLOLOL PX IS OBVSCUM" is not going to cut it when half the game wants to lynch you instead. Stop complaining about the wagon on you yesterday and start ANALYZING the players, and not just the ones on your wagon. Why is PX "obvscum?"

PX stop goading him ffs.

Right since most of the reads so far have been based on what people know of others normal behaviour, I haven't been getting much and can just judge on what the posts feel like to me.

Anyway, right now reading over everything, the only person who really sticks out as odd is Dormio. Ignoring the crazy japanese posting, he kept posting about PX but in the end didn't give much reasoning and just kind of...dropped off.

I'm not sure but something seems a bit off and I don't think it's just his posts being inherently a pain to read (which I think is suspicious in of itself, making his posts that much harder to get a read off of.)

You don't need to know what people's "normal" behaviour is to get a read on then. That's called meta and it's not the basis of good scumhunting, only a tool that people resort to because it's easy. You say that Dormio is odd, but do you think he's scum? As it is now you're not putting forward effort we can see. Post stream of thought in the thread for all I care, but the point is we have to see who you think is scum, and preferably why. If you're town, it'll be hard but not impossible, unless you're newbscum that doesn't know how to fake reads. So if you're town, show us.

@People voting NNR
Give me a good reason why NNR is scum beyond "complains like a bitch" and "overdefends himself."
Look, say you're a townie on the end of a D1 wagon, and the person you've been voting all day and think is scum is the other wagon. You're going to push that wagon by any means necessary. So how is this different from what NNR did?

Making more posts.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: Also, the green bolded text inside quoted blocks of text is disgusting and impossible to read. Don't do it.

[NekoNekoRex]

PX are you just going to screw around like you did during D1 and the short time you were alive during the last game or are you actually going to read the thread / provide reasons for your vote / answer questions directed at you

Note that I can also direct that at Rawr and Dormio, alebit bar the "short-lived time alive D1"

[NekoNekoRex]

Would orange be a better color Conq?

[Conqueror]

Dorian, what's your opinion on Dan now because I can't get it from your post, and why is NNR rambling about BT scummy when for the most part he's either answering questions about BT or in a back-and-forth with him?

NNR: I recall that his ?null reads post? gave me a uncertain town impression. But now that I look into it again do I see that I have the same problem with his Zakeri vote that I have with Dans. He voiced suspicion on BT, Zakeri and to a much lesser degree Dan too but he left with an empty unvote. He kinda withdrawn his suspicion on BT as he voted Zakeri later, but he still keep on dancing around BT and it took him indeed quite some time to clarify this dance as town read. The problem I see here isn't the lack of clarity in his BT read but more that I have to wonder why he feels the need to talk that much about BT in the first place if he think he's town? He said ?... Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.? That's fine, but his efforts to find alternatives are quite limited, not to say vanishingly low compared to his BT ramblings.
I have to say that I'm not sure what he's doing but I'm quite sure that it's not scum hunting.

##Vote: NekoNekoRex

Requoting my relevant part of my query to Dorian yesterday which he didn't answer.
Because if you look at Dorian's NNR vote, that's really all he's saying. NNR talks a lot about BT only for him to conclude BT is town. But how is that scummy, like, at all? Seems like a contrived way to jump on the wagon where there are reasons to find NNR scummy that make a lot more sense. There's no oomph behind the vote, and it feels like he's jumping on NNR only because he's a major wagon, while using an empty argument to fluff up the vote.

Dorian's followup post on Zak and the others is completely uninspiring, and there's this too:

@Conqueror: I'm still not clearing Dan even when I'm less certain right now that he's scum, if I ever was certain about him, I mean we are talking about a ED1 case.

Which feels like a weird way to backtrack from an "ED1 case" which he was holding on to for most of the day and even expanded on once. Rewriting history?

NNR: No, just stop answering inside quote blocks because it's just a pain to read and I guarantee most people will just skim them.  And stop being sassy. Attitude is only bearable when it comes from tsunderes.  :V
So cool, you dislike PX and rawr and Dormio. So distinguish between them beyond "man all these players suck."

[Conqueror]

Points against rawr made yesterday still stand. A review of PX shows that he never says rawr is town, only that he wants him alive, which could be possible under a variety of circumstances. rawr's posting is still scummy.

Dormio's posting at the end of D1 degraded into a park on PX with minor pokes at NNR and Zakeri around wagon consolidation time. I want to see more from him because he's pretty much coasting atm by focusing on a few targets. Leaning scum.

PX can answer my question to him whenever he wants to stop trolling.

I'm reading Darkoda as confused. You gotta post, mate, otherwise your slot is unreadable. So follow what I said earlier and just freely share your thoughts about the players. Don't worry about past games and all that nonsense. All you have to worry about is this game.

[NekoNekoRex]

I prefer text inside a single quote block to a huge string of quote blocks with a response after each of them though. I hate scrolling through the latter.

PX is the worst because he acts like he doesn't read all the content of my posts. His comments on me have been lazy at best, calling me scum for having no vote down while I waited for BT's response, and calling my sheep vote based on someone else's ideas using my own baseless suspicion.
While it's a somewhat valid reason for a vote, it quickly got old after I actually DID back it up with reasons (At PX's request even!!!!), even with me responding to another post of Zakeri's with more criticizm of my own. PX failed to comment on said reasons, instead prod-dodging and telling people not to lynch Rawr, until way later in the day when he finally DOES make another contributory post.
...which basically ignores all my content and labels me as "using AtE".
When he finally comes back around yet again, he quickly retracts his vote, and comments that Zak's new claim might be fake (in a game where it's been pointed out multiple times that scum have safeclaims). After a pointless debate on the value of his lie, he votes Zak over me for no clear reason (possibly implying he doesn't care, as long as there's a flip). Also he throws in a comment which he later confirms meant "either it's a double scum or double town wagon", very contradictory to his current stance on these events.

Also his current line of voting is for the reason that I'm asspained over Zak's lie, which doesn't actually explain why I'm scum.

I'll do an essay on Rawr and Dormio shortly, although not as much to say about them.

[NekoNekoRex]

tldr PX voteparks all day erry day only switches to ensure a lynch happens on Zak.

[NekoNekoRex]

Note I am probably butchering rawr's gender since it slipped my mind and it's kind of ambiguous

Rawr starts off the game slightly better, actually contributing some reads before jumping on the NNR boat for the tried and true reason of "sheeping". He did voice suspicion on Zakeri, although I don't think he ever followed up when it became a wagon.
He actually also has some back and forth with Serela on her sheeping issue. Nothing came out of it though.
Later he brings up the odd comment "still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote.", which considering his lacking stance on me, is rather hypocritical.
Rawr shares a conversation on whether avoiding or grabbing for attention is scummy, and the WIFOM behind it (although it doesn't say anything about him as a read).
He is then questioned to clarify why he is still voting me (despite never mentioning my posts), which he responds to, and I quote, "are you fucking kidding me?"
He never answers this query, referring to his own self-meta of being a shitposter.
He then proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the day (with a notable buddying up with PX at deadline)

Pretty bad, and it's hard to decide between him and PX for my vote actually. I'll definitely switch if he becomes more viable then a PX lynch. How the fuck does Serela see PX!Town and not Rawr!Town?

[Amraphenson]

Dan was town. Huzzah.

My eyes hurt just from trying to read that quote insert thing, and the amount of mad there amuses me to no end. Alas.

NNR: There's a lot of anal anguish here. Lots. And it's showing, so much that I'm tempted to vote him just to get some peace and quiet. Until he stops whining and being calmer, I really can't make a read either way. It wouldn't be fair to him to let his bitching color what could otherwise be some intelligent reads, so I'll wait. He's sure as hell not making any friends with all the insults. Being an annoying asshole isn't nor will it ever be the pettiest reason for someone getting lynched. Your aggression towards PX is downright silly in scope, even if PX looks scum.
PX: Your continued defense of Rawr confuses me and is breeding suspicion of all the bad sorts, but you're making NNR rage like a teenager which is amusing. I mean, I'd really like to know why exactly you want Rawr alive, since I could interpret your protection in a lot of ways.

the issue right now is that I can't really say anything without it being rehash, but hey let's just train of thought.. Dormio hasn't really done anything useful. Darkoda is having it worse than I am. NNR is extremely butthurt sounding. I'd like someone to explain why Zakeri isn't dead. I'm not quite sure why last minute switching to ensure a lynch goes on is so taboo. Rawr has also not really done anything useful, but knowing Rawr it could just be apathy.  PX pissing NNR is hilarious and has novel value for a new player like me. Conq points out the amount of empty words in Dorian's post. I don't understand the inherent wrongness of sheeping, especially when your suspicions are shared. I'm not quite sure why a townie has to be useful and scumhunt on d1, especially if they want to just see what's going on first. But apparently that's not PX's playstyle?

I think it's fairly obvious Rawr just wants you out of the game because you're annoying NNR. It's entirely in character and wouldn't surprise me at all.

And could someone please explain the mind boggling concept of safeclaims to me? I'm not sure what it is, but as far as I can tell it's stopping us from lynching an extremely suspicious person.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

##Vote PX

_{the almighty Dormio                                  why}
Watakushi-sama is still wondering naze PX is being read as town.
                                    _{I                                                                               what        anyone}
To be honest, watashi has pretty much been ignoring NNR. Nani is kimi-tachi going to do about it?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

And could someone please explain the mind boggling concept of safeclaims to me? I'm not sure what it is, but as far as I can tell it's stopping us from lynching an extremely suspicious person.

                                                              _{amazing                                              scary}
A safeclaim is a fake role that the sugoi moderators give to the kowaii scum that they know is safe to claim.

[NekoNekoRex]

After I ask nicely, Dormio finally decides to post in a manner that's not totally indecipherable to our community, most of which cannot actually read and write Japanese or Latin variations of it.
Honestly it's still hard to read Dormio Teaches Romaji and he battles people's complaints on it but doesn't let up, which is slightly irritating. He also contributes stuff and actually scumhunts.
Halfway through the day Dormio switches off Dan to PX for... pretty good reasons actually. Then he votes Zakeri, also a good choice.

Why do I dislike Dormio again? He seemed to be bent out of shape on the"BT/Dan Masons Theory" which I never brought up again but that's not really a big deal to me since "NNR Dormio rivalry" isn't a new concept anyway.

I think the main problem is that (like everyone else) his posts are hard to read. But other then that Dormio isn't actually all that scummy, really.

[Amraphenson]

I honestly want to keep PX alive just to see him make NNR angrier. Consequences and actual allegiances be damned, even if PX is scum.

[NekoNekoRex]

NNR: There's a lot of anal anguish here. Lots. And it's showing, so much that I'm tempted to vote him just to get some peace and quiet. Until he stops whining and being calmer, I really can't make a read either way. It wouldn't be fair to him to let his bitching color what could otherwise be some intelligent reads, so I'll wait. He's sure as hell not making any friends with all the insults. Being an annoying asshole isn't nor will it ever be the pettiest reason for someone getting lynched. Your aggression towards PX is downright silly in scope, even if PX looks scum.

The Raging Fires Of Ten Thousand Burning Suns are quenched for nobody, and I shall see to it that no scum escapes it's fiery wrath.
Also that comment is rather rude. I may be an arrogant asshole in Mafia (I have an admittedly huge ego after all), but I don't think I'm offending anyone over a few passionate posts in petty social game. Lighten up.
I am not actually angry at anyone here as members of the community, the anger is directed towards players in a semi-cooperative game. I enjoy the company of everyone here and am confident the same is mutual towards me.
(but if anyone is actually offended by me feel free to speak up)

[Amraphenson]

Glad to have some clarification, and apologies, but I was just dumbfounded at how mad you sounded. Mafia continues to surprise me.

[PX]

First off NNR, mafia games don't get special treatment anymore. So don't go insulting people like a 10y old on newgrounds.

Would like PX to explain this though, given how he opened D2.

Looking at the stance that it's a 50/50 of which one flips scum, at that point I would have rather have NNR live to D2 than Zak because HE ACTUALLY POSTS. Of course, seeing how NNR posted at the end made me want him dead more, but at that point I figured it was too late to change votes because there wasn't enough people to lynch NNR.

Now, NNR. So yeah. First this.

Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.

So yeah, let's see NNR's last mention of Serela before this.

Serela is fine today, like her BT vote

What happened in the middle? Serela voted NNR after multiple pokes showing suspicion. Look at Serela's posts D1, there's constant mention of NNR. And sheepvoted? Really? It's like you didn't even look at Serela's post, considering he was VOTING RAWR. I also love this quote by NNR.

Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later?  I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)

Yeah. Except you didn't have a vote down. You waited until someone else posted reasons to vote the same person you had gut on, then vote saying that his reasons are good enough. After bitching about people voting him about it, he finally provides reasons here, after multiple people ask for reasons, which simply looks like an attempt to get people off his back.
As for his posts at the end of D1, they simply read as if he's trying to play the victim and garner sympathy. This I do not like. At all. And D2, he basically goes full blown "My wagon is scum. Everybody else is town." Look at his reasons on his first post of D2. It just looks like "They're picking on me, I'm right they're wrong."
As for his D2 vote, out of all 4 people he put up as scumspects, who does he vote? The most vocal of them all. This, I can see from a scum point a view as simply getting rid of the loudest one will get rid of the entire wagon. Oh, and as for your "content posts." What's in there? "I had gut on Zak! Dan's reasons are my reasons too! Look, Zak's not posting! Look at X, s/he's not posting! Stop picking on me!"

All right, this post is already a mess SLEEP

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i went to write a reply and then a book ate my brain and it was gone
Conq: I'm well aware what you said. I'm questioning the level of ignorance it would take you to want to push the vig that you seemed to believe in over someone, anyone else. On my word? You've never been afraid to call me an idiot before. Even if I were convincing wouldn't it have been worth it to let him try?  Also I can't believe you used 'gosh'. Are you practicing your British Governor Scum?

I'm honestly not sure if NNR is playing it up or not. I half-suspect that he is just because this line of thought he's pushing is so unreal. I'm also not reading that green text thing at 5am.

PX is for once not being useless and he's always townie to me as scum I refuse to let people lynch him for being scummy when the random person that died thought he was obvtown. Also Dan wasn't a PR so PX can't be scum.

Serela. You are being a terrible scumbuddy. Can you give a short, brief list of your reads please because your posts are huge and I'm not quite getting them from reading you anywhere.